Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Group, I think everyone should try to answer the question that Krushnaji had asked in Message 319. We can have a discussion on the same as well. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > Krushanji had asked this question when the group started and he also > said that if a person finds the answer to those question will have > understood the core of Ashtakavarg and Vedic Astrology. > Here are some interesting mails from the archives. > > You can read all the discussion w.r.t that thread, its really very > interesting. > > The Question is asked by Krushnaji in message 319. > > /message/319 > /message/331 > /message/342 > > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > How does malefics in 3 6 11 are good, jive with that > > they are upachaya houses. How to resolve this > > discrepancy ? > > > > Satish > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Do not know whether there are exceptions or where > > > the > > > shloka comes from. Levae aside 6th house for the > > > moment. Lets examine 8th and 12th from a house. Now > > > 8th from a house is its karakatwta from KAS so a > > > malefic there( natural) will destroy the karakatwa > > > or > > > house A. Now whether it happens only for natural > > > malefics or binduwise malefics, one may have to look > > > at many charts. 12 th from a bhava has malefic it > > > affects the bhava, is it true always or is this used > > > if the lord of bhava is in 12th from it..not sure. > > > > > > Now coming to the 6th house, yes, 6th house from a > > > house is upachaya and malefic there should harm the > > > growth of that house. Now the gist is are they > > > talking > > > about natural malefics or binduwise malefics ..we > > > must > > > explore > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Thank for your note. This is exactly what I was trying to say for long time. There might or is a distinct possibility that 12th lord from a house might have been understood as 12th house of the chart or 12th lord. Just read this sentence in English. " If the lord of 5th is in 12th then there is loss related to 5th house " If you were translating this in to other language then what would you write if there was no one to " Explain " this to you. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > In VA 12th house is denoted as neutral.We may interpret 12th house the house from any house. Such as 8th is 12th from 9th the house of luck or the house of father and so on. > When we consider 9th or any house and its lord goes to 12th from it means the loss of the significations of that house.This you have been doing so.Such if 7th lord goes to 6th means the significations of 7th is lost. > 9th lord goes to 8th means significations of 9th is lost and so on. > But what Krushna ji has been telling about 12th, he, as I conceived meant the 12th house of chart. So when the 12th lord goes to any house that house is enhanced and on the other hand any house lord goes to the 12th then also the significations of that house is enhanced. > This dicta is for 12th house of the chart. > But the house lord of any house goes to the 12th from that house then its effect is different from that of 12th of chart. > This may be difference of 12th of chart and 12th from any house. > I have full faith on what we had been doing till and this can be verified with so many charts after knowing the past event. > However my confusion remained unanswered posted in the last posting.That is the exchange of house lords between 6th, 8th and 12th lord when its lord are in 1:7 combinations. > In this case how do we interpret ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish and Ramesh, > > Actually, all this might have been a part of ancient books but the > translation of some verses might not be found in todays texts or might > have not been interpreted correctly. > > 8th house is the house of death. But 8th house is also karak for 1st. > Now if death is considered as a bad event and a feared one, then 3rd > being Karak so both 3rd and 8th people might have called as a bad house. > > Also 8th house is 12th from 9th house as well. So due to all these > things it might have come to be known as bad. > > But its also Karak for 1st and if that is bad. 8th house is also for > private parts so can be due to certain mentality it might have been > concidered as Bad. Its also a house of hidden things so " fear of > unknown " is psychology as well. > > 12th house is House C for 8th. So next generation of 8th house. So > some people might be calling it " after life " stuff. Some also say > that its Moksh means after death. But what we call Moksh is right > here in this life time itself. > > 12th house is also that of punishment or hospitilization or vairagya > etc. > > One time I had written a post to Dadhi about 12th house and > spirituality and took help and explained the whole thing. That might > be in the archives. > > But something to note here. When you say 12th, or say when in texts > someome might have meant 12th from a House and in translation it might > or chances are that in some places it might have been read as 12th > house of the chart. > > As per KAS we say 12th from House B is not condusive to House B. Now > if someone reads that as 12th house of the chart then .......... > > 6th , 8th and 12th house are not good in D charts. But now if that is > Extended to Rasi then ??? > > So 12th house can be misunderstood. > > I mentioned that in Laghu parasari, when it was said Sun and Moon are > not malefic as lord of " Ashtemesh " what if the translation was not > accurate? What if someone read " Sastamesh " and instead said " Ashtemesh " . > > Now here is where faith in teachings come into play. > > I say that this Jyotish Vidhya might have been kept guarded and > tranfered from father to son and Krushanji is teaching us this. Now, > as per KAS teachings, Su and Mo are not to be considered Malefic as > 6th lord. That we are saying from day 1. > > So here, even Vedic Texts that might have had such information that > might have been " altered " in due course of time, can be set straight > by using the knowledge that has been kept protected. > > Another fact is that, why is it not given clearly anywhere that if 60% > or more events are taking place in LoD or LoE antra then how come its > not accepted or written ? > > That is a Glaring fact isnt it? > > In some cases people are saying, Venus in 12th house might mean person > is indulging in wine, women and song. And we are saying that the > status of the house that Venus rules is enhanced. Ve is karak for > 12th natural karak, so all such properties are enhanced. Isnt that a > way of looking at it as well? > > 10th lord in 12th house means such person can get power more easily, > so enhanced, at the same time he might not be able to manage that or > might be incapable that is also a way to look at it. > > Infact 12th house is the root karak for 10th house. Its the parakram > sthan for 10th. > > As a last note, Krushnaji has always said that if one understand KAS > and the theory of KAS in detail, it will simplify Jyotish Shastra and > that KAS is not any different from Vedic Astrology. > > Yes, there are certain things that are not written or might have got > lost over time so those are given and for that also, in so many years > we have solved so many charts with for example Ju in libra, Ve in > krittika, aadra, moola and jayeshta, ve to sun distance > 43deg or ve > to sun distnace < 3deg20. > > Just recently, someone on another list gave about 8-10 charts on girls > who were party animals..... in each of the chart EXCEPT 1, these few > law could be found. Is that co-incidence. > > 1) Ve in krittika, aadra moola or jayeshta or even nak of sun spoils > venus, with krittiak being worst > 2) Ju in libra > 3) Ve to sun distance > 43deg20 or < 3deg20 > 4) asp of sa will enhance the malefic qualties of ve and if sa asp > luminiary and if ve is not retro then its worst. > > These I can think on the top of my head and in all charts except 1 I > found our laws matching. > > I did not write on that list, as such things to accept might be more > difficult :-) But in 8 out of 9 charts or was it 7 out of 8 charts, > but it was all except 1 chart, these few laws were coming up in those > charts. It can't be co-incidence, can it? > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Ramesh, > > > > Good question. From VA perspective 6-8-12 are bad > > houses ( Yes 8 and 12 also have some positive > > significations, and thats why their lords are not > > considered malefic but give results by association) So > > bad house lord going to another bad house is > > considered good and thats why it is called VRY. There > > are a few more conditions attached to it to classify > > as a true VRY. > > > > I am not sure whether 12th lord enhancing the bhava it > > goes to is KAS specific. I have not come across it in > > my readings yet > > > > Satish > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Bala and all, > > > Very nice and systematically discussion went on > > > the versus of laghu parasari and that comparison > > > with KAS. I think many members might have benefited > > > with this valuable knowledge. > > > But I would like to ask Ash, when there is an > > > exchange between the lords of 6th and 12th, then > > > what result should be expected. > > > Here in this cas as I think the quality of 6th > > > house will be enhanced . 12th lord is in 6th so 6th > > > is enhanced and secondly 6th lord has gone to 12th > > > so again 6th is enhanced. So 6th house lord should > > > be powerful. > > > But here in this case both the lords are in 1:7 > > > position and thus becomes enemy to each other > > > Say for example Cn lagna is there .Its 12th lord > > > is Me who occupy 6th of Sg and 6th lord Ju is in > > > 12th of Ge. Now here Me and Ju is in 1:7. > > > Then how do we go for these two houses with > > > respect to quality ? > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > Dear Anup, > > > This has been discussed. Read Krushaji's write up in > > > the archives. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > > > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear ASH, > > > > > > > > Can a marriage in the antra of 2nd lord be > > > a happy marriage? > > > > Coz as u say, this 2ND LORD ANTRA gives worry for > > > no reasons:) > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > ANUP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > " 8. Lords of the 2nd and 12th houses are powerful > > > not because of > > > > their own merit; they are greatly influenced in > > > giving good or bad > > > > results by their association or position in the > > > chart. " > > > > > > > > AS PER KAS WE SAY > > > > > > > > In KAS we say that 2nd lord and antra of 2nd lord > > > or its SD can cause > > > > unnecessary worries for the native. > > > > > > > > We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it > > > enhances the result of > > > > that house. In addition we also say that if > > > planets go to 12th house > > > > of the chart then the results of house ruled by > > > them is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > > > " 33. If a Raja Yoga is operative in the > > > Sub-period of a Yogakaraka > > > > > but Maraka planet, it improves the effect of > > > such a Yoga. In the same > > > > > way the sub-period of a malefic promotes the > > > results. " > > > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE CAN STUDY THE SAME AND WE SAY > > > > > > > > > > RAJA YOGA IS PLANET OWNING TRINE AND KENDRA AND > > > IN THE SUB PERIOD OR > > > > > ANTRA OF MARAK PLANET (7TH LORD) IS RUNNING THEN > > > IT IMPROVES. > > > > > > > > > > NOW SAY 5TH LORD MD IS RUNNING SO IN KAS WE SAY > > > THAT MD IS RELATED TO > > > > > STATUS. NOW SAY CANCER LAGNA IS THERE AND MARS > > > RULES 5TH AND 10TH > > > > > HOUSE AND MD OR MARS IS RUNNING. INSIDE THAT > > > ANTRA OF SATURN IS > > > > > RUNNING WHO IS MARAK PLANET I.E. 7TH LORD, SO AS > > > PER ABOVE TEXT ITS > > > > > SAID THAT THE EFFECT OF SUCH A YOGA WILL BE > > > IMPROVED. > > > > > > > > > > SO MD RELATED TO 5TH HOUSE AND BEING LORD OF > > > 10TH SO KARAK FOR 3RD AND > > > > > AT THE SAME TIME LOD MEANS 10TH FROM 10TH LORDS > > > ANTRA IS RUNNING AND > > > > > AT SAME TIME ITS ALSO 8TH LORD SO LOD FOR 11TH > > > SO OFCOUSE THINGS WILL > > > > > BECOME MORE BETTER. THIS WE ARE CONSIDERING IN > > > KAS USING OUR LAWS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > NEXT POINT ITS SAID ABOVE THAT SUB PERIOD OF > > > MALEFICS PROMOTES THE > > > > > RESULTS SO HERE WE ALSO SAY, THAT MALEFIC > > > PLANETS ASPECT WITH BENEFIC > > > > > SIGHT SO FOR MARS AND SATURN WHO ARE NATURAL > > > MALEFICS IF THEY ARE > > > > > MOSTLY WITH LESS THAN 3 BINDUS SO THEY WILL BAD > > > FOR 1 HOUSE AT THE > > > > > SAME TIME THEY WILL ASPECT BENEFICALLY TO 3 > > > HOUSES INCRESING THEIR > > > > > POWER. > > > > > > > > > > SO AS PER KAS WE ALSO SAY THAT ITS BETTER TO > > > HAVE PLANETS IN NEECHA > > > > > SIGN AND WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS RELATIVELY > > > SPEAKING SO THAT 3 PLANETS > > > > > JU MA AND SA HAVE 3 ASPECTS EACH AND THEY WILL > > > INCREASE THE POINTWS OF > > > > > THE 3 HOUSE THEY ASPECT. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > > > > > " 9. Lord of the 8th house (Randhresh) by > > > virtue of being the 12th > > > > > > (Vyayesh) from the 9th (Bhagyesha) does not > > > produce good > > > results; but > > > > > > if he happens to be the lord of the > > > Ascendant/Ascendant and occupies > > > > > > the 1st or the 8th house, he becomes benefic. " > > > > > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12th lord from House B is not conducive to > > > House B. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) As per the above scenario, the exception is > > > given where its said > > > > > > that if the 8th lord i.e. 12th from 9th is > > > also lagna lord or posted > > > > > > in lagna then he becomes a benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lord of 8th and 1st can only be Mars or > > > Venus and that too for > > > > > > Libra and Aries lagna. So if Venus is in > > > Taurus and Mars is in Sco > > > > > > then they become benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > So For both cases LoE is in House B for B = 8. > > > So better results of > > > > > > 8th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also in both cases i.e. Aries lagna and Libra > > > lagna 9th and 6th > > > lords > > > > > > are same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasarai says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " 11. Mercury has less of this evil nature > > > as compared to > > > Venus; the > > > > > > > Moon has much less than that of Mercury. The > > > same way the Sun > > > > and the > > > > > > > Moon are not evil being Asthmesh (lord of > > > the > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SHOUT IT OUT! 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Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2007 > Dear Dadhi, > > When you say 6th 8th and 12th house are BAD what do you mean by BAD? > I think if we understand that then it will be clear. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Bad means not auspicious, according to VA classics. However, in KAS 12th is not so. Contrary. You said: > > 6th , 8th and 12th house are not good in D charts. But now if that is > > Extended to Rasi then ??? What does it mean here " not good " ? also bad or ? all the best, Dadhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Dadhi, How do you consider Death? Is it an auspicious event or inauspicious event? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Dadhi <Dadhi wrote: > Dear Dadhi, > > When you say 6th 8th and 12th house are BAD what do you mean by BAD? > I think if we understand that then it will be clear. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Bad means not auspicious, according to VA classics. However, in KAS 12th is not so. Contrary. You said: > > 6th , 8th and 12th house are not good in D charts. But now if that is > > Extended to Rasi then ??? What does it mean here " not good " ? also bad or ? all the best, Dadhi Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2007 > How do you consider Death? Is it an auspicious event or inauspicious > event? As I wrote earlier, each house represents many things and some aspects of house might be good, some not. Now, it depends on our perspective. I'll give you an example of my friend who recently died. Regarding death, it is not auspicious. If my friend is dead, I would not be happy. I would be sad. Why? Well, according to shastras to be sad is not the natural state of atma, soul, so it is logical that separation from my friend is not auspicious thing for me. The death is dealt with 8th, 3rd and 12th houses. However, from another perspective (8th house is B house of death), it might be very auspicious. My friend was very sick. The death for him was liberation (moksa, 12th) from suffering of body. He was chanting mantras at time of death. Another positive thing during death. It is perspective. What was you behind your question? all the best, Dadhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2007 > Dear Dadhi, > Can you give me the message number or print the post here so that I > can upload that to my site. > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Huuh, I can not find it. I just remember that we were talking about it. If I find it, I'll send it to you... all the best, Dadhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Dadhi, Thank u for answering. The reason why I am asking these questions is to get to the bottom of why 6th, 8th and 12th are considered good or bad. 6th house is that of Ripu so that is the seed or can cause lots of problems. 8th house if one considers or classifies a " BAD " then automatically 12th house, 3rd house and 8th will be called bad. So maybe in due course of time, 8th house, 12th and 3rd have been called as Bad. So from that perspective for anyone who finds death as BAD then for those people there are not 2 things about it. 8th, 3rd and 12th will be BAD. So then it becomes a matter of perspective. But as long as we are clear on why 8th we are calling as Auspicious or Inauspicious means the fundamentals then its ok. So as per KAS we say that death is most auspicious event and it happens in highest power planet or LoD or LoE then if we study from that angle then 8th house and 3rd house becomes GOOD. Leave aside 12th house. For 12th I can say that if we follow symmetry of the chart and if we say that Exaltations signs are opposite debilitation signs and 1:7 are opposites then if 6th is a BAD house or what we call Black Hole then that would make 12th house most benefic. So the reason behind my questions is to get to the bottom of this, why is 6th, 8th and 12th called BAD. So if Death is considered as BAD event then for 3rd, 8th and 12th so many things become clear as it becomes a matter of perspective. Yes, I mean in the end Krushnaji has told, that to go into detail about death, for that one has to read the Gita. So I hope the reason why I am asking this is clear so that we all are on the same page. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Dadhi " <Dadhi wrote: > > > How do you consider Death? Is it an auspicious event or inauspicious > > event? > > As I wrote earlier, each house represents many things and some aspects of > house might be good, some not. > > Now, it depends on our perspective. I'll give you an example of my friend > who recently died. > > Regarding death, it is not auspicious. If my friend is dead, I would not be > happy. I would be sad. Why? Well, according to shastras to be sad is not the > natural state of atma, soul, so it is logical that separation from my friend > is not auspicious thing for me. > > The death is dealt with 8th, 3rd and 12th houses. > > However, from another perspective (8th house is B house of death), it might > be very auspicious. My friend was very sick. The death for him was > liberation (moksa, 12th) from suffering of body. He was chanting mantras at > time of death. Another positive thing during death. > > It is perspective. > > What was you behind your question? > > all the best, > Dadhi > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Dadhi, It means that event may happen (WS of Rasi) but it will be at a certain cost means not pure success or some obstruction. So when planets go to 6th 8th and 12th in D chart means there is some problem, and result maybe achieved but at a price. Sorry, I missed that. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Dadhi " <Dadhi wrote: > > > Dear Dadhi, > > > > When you say 6th 8th and 12th house are BAD what do you mean by BAD? > > I think if we understand that then it will be clear. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > Bad means not auspicious, according to VA classics. However, in KAS 12th is > not so. Contrary. > > You said: > > > > 6th , 8th and 12th house are not good in D charts. But now if that is > > > Extended to Rasi then ??? > > What does it mean here " not good " ? also bad or ? > > all the best, > Dadhi > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
