Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2007 : Dear ASH, Can a marriage in the antra of 2nd lord be a happy marriage? Coz as u say, this 2ND LORD ANTRA gives worry for no reasons:) Regards ANUP ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Laghu Parasari says " 8. Lords of the 2nd and 12th houses are powerful not because of their own merit; they are greatly influenced in giving good or bad results by their association or position in the chart. " AS PER KAS WE SAY In KAS we say that 2nd lord and antra of 2nd lord or its SD can cause unnecessary worries for the native. We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it enhances the result of that house. In addition we also say that if planets go to 12th house of the chart then the results of house ruled by them is enhanced. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Laghu Parasari says > > " 33. If a Raja Yoga is operative in the Sub-period of a Yogakaraka > but Maraka planet, it improves the effect of such a Yoga. In the same > way the sub-period of a malefic promotes the results. " > > IN KAS WE CAN STUDY THE SAME AND WE SAY > > RAJA YOGA IS PLANET OWNING TRINE AND KENDRA AND IN THE SUB PERIOD OR > ANTRA OF MARAK PLANET (7TH LORD) IS RUNNING THEN IT IMPROVES. > > NOW SAY 5TH LORD MD IS RUNNING SO IN KAS WE SAY THAT MD IS RELATED TO > STATUS. NOW SAY CANCER LAGNA IS THERE AND MARS RULES 5TH AND 10TH > HOUSE AND MD OR MARS IS RUNNING. INSIDE THAT ANTRA OF SATURN IS > RUNNING WHO IS MARAK PLANET I.E. 7TH LORD, SO AS PER ABOVE TEXT ITS > SAID THAT THE EFFECT OF SUCH A YOGA WILL BE IMPROVED. > > SO MD RELATED TO 5TH HOUSE AND BEING LORD OF 10TH SO KARAK FOR 3RD AND > AT THE SAME TIME LOD MEANS 10TH FROM 10TH LORDS ANTRA IS RUNNING AND > AT SAME TIME ITS ALSO 8TH LORD SO LOD FOR 11TH SO OFCOUSE THINGS WILL > BECOME MORE BETTER. THIS WE ARE CONSIDERING IN KAS USING OUR LAWS. > > ------------------------- > > NEXT POINT ITS SAID ABOVE THAT SUB PERIOD OF MALEFICS PROMOTES THE > RESULTS SO HERE WE ALSO SAY, THAT MALEFIC PLANETS ASPECT WITH BENEFIC > SIGHT SO FOR MARS AND SATURN WHO ARE NATURAL MALEFICS IF THEY ARE > MOSTLY WITH LESS THAN 3 BINDUS SO THEY WILL BAD FOR 1 HOUSE AT THE > SAME TIME THEY WILL ASPECT BENEFICALLY TO 3 HOUSES INCRESING THEIR > POWER. > > SO AS PER KAS WE ALSO SAY THAT ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS IN NEECHA > SIGN AND WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS RELATIVELY SPEAKING SO THAT 3 PLANETS > JU MA AND SA HAVE 3 ASPECTS EACH AND THEY WILL INCREASE THE POINTWS OF > THE 3 HOUSE THEY ASPECT. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > " 9. Lord of the 8th house (Randhresh) by virtue of being the 12th > > (Vyayesh) from the 9th (Bhagyesha) does not produce good results; but > > if he happens to be the lord of the Ascendant/Ascendant and occupies > > the 1st or the 8th house, he becomes benefic. " > > > > IN KAS WE SAY. > > > > 1) 12th lord from House B is not conducive to House B. > > > > 2) As per the above scenario, the exception is given where its said > > that if the 8th lord i.e. 12th from 9th is also lagna lord or posted > > in lagna then he becomes a benefic. > > > > Now lord of 8th and 1st can only be Mars or Venus and that too for > > Libra and Aries lagna. So if Venus is in Taurus and Mars is in Sco > > then they become benefic. > > > > So For both cases LoE is in House B for B = 8. So better results of > > 8th house. > > > > Also in both cases i.e. Aries lagna and Libra lagna 9th and 6th lords > > are same. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Laghu Parasarai says > > > > > > " 11. Mercury has less of this evil nature as compared to Venus; the > > > Moon has much less than that of Mercury. The same way the Sun and the > > > Moon are not evil being Asthmesh (lord of the 8th). " > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY > > > > > > Mercury is more benefic than Venus for that you can see the total > > > bindus in lesson one. Mercury has been allocated 54 benefic points > > > and Venus has 52 benefic points. > > > > > > Moon hsa much less than that of Mercury it says, and if you check the > > > bindus allocated to Moon its only 49 bindus or benefic points so > > > compared to Mercury's 54, Moons is far less of 49. > > > > > > In KAS we say that Sun and Moon are not malefic as 6th lord or > > > saptemesh but in laghu parasari its given for Ashtemesh. > > > > > > 6th house is what we take as most malefic and infact from 8th house we > > > see death which is most auspicious event as per KAS and will happen in > > > highest power planet or LoD or LoE etc. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Laghu prarasarai says > > > > > > > > " 6. All the planets owning Trines, i.e. the 1st, 5th and 9th Houses > > > > by signs produce uniformly good results, whether they are > benefics or > > > > malefics. If they own the Trick houses, i.e. the 3rd, 6th and 11th > > > > houses by signs, they are always disposed towards evil. " > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE STUDY IT AS FOLLOWS > > > > > > > > 1st 5th and 9th are good irrsepective the are owned by benefics or > > > > malefics as in all cases of 5th and 9th they will trigger 12th apart > > > > from other house too. > > > > > > > > Now only Me and Ju might own 9th and 6th. > > > > > > > > Ve and Ma might own 1st and 6th together so sco lagna or taurus > lagna > > > > > > > > no planet can own 3rd and 5th or 11th and 9th. > > > > > > > > Now in KAS we would go into further detail using Ashtakavarga to > judge > > > > more closely who will the planet behave more like. Krushanji has > > > > given that for Mars and Venus especially when owning 6th house one > > > > must study the same keenly. > > > > > > > > Now this part is not covered in the write up in laghu parasari > or the > > > > expectation is that one must know these things as fundamentals of > > > > Astrology as its given or indicated in the first few verses. > > > > > > > > The same or similar thing with the next verse where they say about > > > > planets owning trine and 3-6-11 simultaneously. > > > > > > > > Now, take Saturn and aries lagna so Sa will own 10th and 11th > house. > > > > So Sa is not necessarily bad for all events. For 10th house it will > > > > become B and A for 3rd house so it will give hard work it will > become > > > > C for 6th and D for 1st and E for 5th. > > > > > > > > Similarly Sa owning 3rd and 4th house so again you can study using > > > > ABCDE theory and it need not be the case that Sa is bad or evil. > Take > > > > Sco lagna and Sa in 4th house then as per VA its sasa mahapurush > > yog. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > While I have laghu parasarai open and a few mins will write a > > few more > > > > > verses explanation.... it might be useful for some other students. > > > > > > > > > > " 36. Rahu-Ketu, if posited in a Trine or Angle and are not > > related to > > > > > any other planet, give good results during their main ruling > period > > > > > and in the sub-period of a Yoga Karaka. " > > > > > > > > > > AS PER KAS > > > > > > > > > > We are saying Ra and Ke located in House D and E are eager to give > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > Now when Ra/Ke is placed in 1st house then it will become eager to > > > > > give result for 4th and 8th. > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 4th house can give marriage and good income > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 7th house can give good authority and wealth > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 10th house can give good status reputation and good luck > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 5th or 9th will trigger 12th house of moksh and > > enjoyment and > > > > > right in this life time. > > > > > > > > > > Ra/ke in 9th house will trigger 12th and 4th so good > enjoymenet and > > > > > knowledge and assets > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 5th will trigger 12th and 8th house so good > > inheritance/death > > > > > and enjoyment. > > > > > > > > > > Ofcouse when Ra is in 9th then Ke is in 3rd and when Ra is in > > 5th then > > > > > Ketu is in 11th so thereby triggering 2 more houses atleast. > > > > > > > > > > Then you can add the SD portion to it i.e .Ra and Ke are Sd to > Sign > > > > > lord AND NAK LORD and give predictions or timing accordingly > > based on > > > > > the points and status of the planet they represent. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is that of serve, so in modern context we can take it as > job. > > > > > > 10th house is House C and 1st is A. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 10th is next generation and 10th and 6th will have same > > nakshtra > > > > > lords. > > > > > > > > > > > > So for Job, 6th house and for authority which is next > > generation of > > > > > > 6th is from 10th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, you have asked a detailed question, so when studying for > > > Job, we > > > > > > take help of WS and study whats going on in 11th, 10th, 6th, > like > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > So say, one person has a job but he or she might change jobs > for a > > > > > > higher paying job then in that case WS will reflect the same > > so 11th > > > > > > house power would trigger or if he or she is leaving a job > to get > > > > > > higher authority and income then 10th and 11th will play a role > > > along > > > > > > with 6th so like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > But 6th house is job and 10th is authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I think I get the drift of the logic. Now > > > > > > > looking at job timing, do you look at 6th as B or 10th > > > > > > > as B? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can also see how 11th lord dasha can give malefic > > > > > > > results as it is eager to give results of the 6th > > > > > > > house, which has all the negative implications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok. Good question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take 6th house as B. We say 6th house is most > > > > > > > > malefic right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd house becomes D and 11th house becomes E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, depending on what you are finding or the > > > > > > > > context its being used > > > > > > > > it can be good or bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now why Laghu prarashari has used 3-6-11 only. > > > > > > > > So that is D - B - E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both 3rd and 11th are eager to give result for 6th > > > > > > > > and this is upachya > > > > > > > > theory and 3rd and 11th have diffence i.e. 3rd > > > > > > > > creates chance for 6th > > > > > > > > and 11th is after event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say you are studying job timing so 3rd and 11th are > > > > > > > > eager to giving > > > > > > > > timing of event, now 3rd is also parakram and can be > > > > > > > > interpreted as > > > > > > > > giving or success in interview so that is " pre " > > > > > > > > event of 6th making > > > > > > > > chance and 11th is income so that starts after job. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you understand what I am trying to say above > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In VA, those who follow laghu parashari, the 12th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > gives results by association so is not bad. 3-6-11 > > > > > > > > > lords are malefic 11th being the most malefic. I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > curious to know how 11th lord ( Not planets > > > > > > > > residing > > > > > > > > > in 11th) is treated in KAS. As per laghu parashari > > > > > > > > > planets in 11th are ok but 11th lord is deemed > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > malefic. ( 6th is lesser and 3rd lesser than 6th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house is that of Moksh. Its a very special > > > > > > > > > > house. When planets > > > > > > > > > > go in 12th house they enhance the status of the > > > > > > > > > > house they rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, when 12th lord goes into a house then > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > result of that > > > > > > > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here by Result I mean Quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another way of looking at it is that 6th house > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the most malefic > > > > > > > > > > house so 7th from that is the most benefic > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There has been some discussion that you can look > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > in the archives > > > > > > > > > > when some people have showed surprise as in > > > > > > > > > > traditional VA, 12th house > > > > > > > > > > is only taken for loss and is deemded bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord in 12th means 8th house results are > > > > > > > > > > enhanced and in VA they > > > > > > > > > > call it Vipareet Raj Yog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord in 12th house also enahnces the status > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > 6th house so again VRY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 12th again, in House D for 3rd and > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > the same time > > > > > > > > > > enhances results of 3rd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why planets in 12 th house enhance houses they > > > > > > > > > > rule ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing something here ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On one hand many planets are in 12th house > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > had solved a chart > > > > > > > > > > > > recently that Satish had given. 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Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2007 Dear Jagdish, Raj yog is when trine lords have relation with kendra lords. When lagna lord is in 6th means that its good for 1st house results. When 6th lord is in 1st house its not in upachya house. If its with more than 4 bindus then it becomes karak for 6th. When 6th lord is in 1st and 1st lord is in 6th then there is parivartan so karak and phal sthan lords are in exchange. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Just an imaginary situation... > > Considering the same analogy > > When Lagnesh is in 6th house then LOB is in House E. And when 6th lord is in Lagna then LoE is in house B. > > Is it a raj-yoga ? > > Best Wishes > > Jagdish > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Laghu Parasari says > > " 41. If the lord of the Ascendant and that of the 10th mutually > exchange places, i.e., the Lord of the Ascendant is posited in the > 10th and that of the 10th in the Ascendant then they form a Raja Yoga. > They signify position, power and reputation. " > > IN KAS WE STUDY THE SAME AS > > 10th house is D for 1st so it will give good name fame to person. 4th > house is 4th from 10th so like a helper or subordinate. 10th is that > of authority. > > Now when the 2 exchange so 1st lord goes to 10th hosue means LoB has > gone into House D. Just check Parvez Musharaf's chart. Sco lagna and > Mars is in 10th house of the chart so its in House D. > > Next, if 10th lord goes into 1st house so itself is becoming a > subordinate. Now as per KAS we go one step further and if the 1st > lord goes into 10th house with less than 4 bindus and lord of 10th > goes into 1st house with more than 4 bindus then the lord becomes very > powerful means such a person has very good personality and powerful > lagnesh. The power given will be that of 10th lord of the chart. > > 10th hosue is again special where malefic planets i.e. < 4 bindus are > good. > > Now in some case Ju might become 10th and 1st lord so Pisces lagna and > Virgo lagna so 10th and 1st lords are same. So if Ju is in lagna then > such a person might get good name and reutation but at the same time > it will affect the 7th house 9th house and 5th house with malefic > aspect. Now if that is the case then the multiplication factor i.e > sign backing will also be high for Mercury it would be 1.6 and for Ju > it would be 1.4. > > So one can study like that. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Laghu prarasarai says > > > > " 6. All the planets owning Trines, i.e. the 1st, 5th and 9th Houses > > by signs produce uniformly good results, whether they are benefics or > > malefics. If they own the Trick houses, i.e. the 3rd, 6th and 11th > > houses by signs, they are always disposed towards evil. " > > > > IN KAS WE STUDY IT AS FOLLOWS > > > > 1st 5th and 9th are good irrsepective the are owned by benefics or > > malefics as in all cases of 5th and 9th they will trigger 12th apart > > from other house too. > > > > Now only Me and Ju might own 9th and 6th. > > > > Ve and Ma might own 1st and 6th together so sco lagna or taurus lagna > > > > no planet can own 3rd and 5th or 11th and 9th. > > > > Now in KAS we would go into further detail using Ashtakavarga to judge > > more closely who will the planet behave more like. Krushanji has > > given that for Mars and Venus especially when owning 6th house one > > must study the same keenly. > > > > Now this part is not covered in the write up in laghu parasari or the > > expectation is that one must know these things as fundamentals of > > Astrology as its given or indicated in the first few verses. > > > > The same or similar thing with the next verse where they say about > > planets owning trine and 3-6-11 simultaneously. > > > > Now, take Saturn and aries lagna so Sa will own 10th and 11th house. > > So Sa is not necessarily bad for all events. For 10th house it will > > become B and A for 3rd house so it will give hard work it will become > > C for 6th and D for 1st and E for 5th. > > > > Similarly Sa owning 3rd and 4th house so again you can study using > > ABCDE theory and it need not be the case that Sa is bad or evil. Take > > Sco lagna and Sa in 4th house then as per VA its sasa mahapurush yog. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > While I have laghu parasarai open and a few mins will write a few more > > > verses explanation.... it might be useful for some other students. > > > > > > " 36. Rahu-Ketu, if posited in a Trine or Angle and are not related to > > > any other planet, give good results during their main ruling period > > > and in the sub-period of a Yoga Karaka. " > > > > > > AS PER KAS > > > > > > We are saying Ra and Ke located in House D and E are eager to give > > > results. > > > > > > Now when Ra/Ke is placed in 1st house then it will become eager to > > > give result for 4th and 8th. > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 4th house can give marriage and good income > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 7th house can give good authority and wealth > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 10th house can give good status reputation and good luck > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 5th or 9th will trigger 12th house of moksh and enjoyment and > > > right in this life time. > > > > > > Ra/ke in 9th house will trigger 12th and 4th so good enjoymenet and > > > knowledge and assets > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 5th will trigger 12th and 8th house so good inheritance/death > > > and enjoyment. > > > > > > Ofcouse when Ra is in 9th then Ke is in 3rd and when Ra is in 5th then > > > Ketu is in 11th so thereby triggering 2 more houses atleast. > > > > > > Then you can add the SD portion to it i.e .Ra and Ke are Sd to Sign > > > lord AND NAK LORD and give predictions or timing accordingly based on > > > the points and status of the planet they represent. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > 6th is that of serve, so in modern context we can take it as job. > > > > 10th house is House C and 1st is A. > > > > > > > > So 10th is next generation and 10th and 6th will have same nakshtra > > > lords. > > > > > > > > So for Job, 6th house and for authority which is next generation of > > > > 6th is from 10th house. > > > > > > > > Now, you have asked a detailed question, so when studying for > Job, we > > > > take help of WS and study whats going on in 11th, 10th, 6th, like > > that. > > > > > > > > So say, one person has a job but he or she might change jobs for a > > > > higher paying job then in that case WS will reflect the same so 11th > > > > house power would trigger or if he or she is leaving a job to get > > > > higher authority and income then 10th and 11th will play a role > along > > > > with 6th so like that. > > > > > > > > But 6th house is job and 10th is authority. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I think I get the drift of the logic. Now > > > > > looking at job timing, do you look at 6th as B or 10th > > > > > as B? > > > > > > > > > > I can also see how 11th lord dasha can give malefic > > > > > results as it is eager to give results of the 6th > > > > > house, which has all the negative implications > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok. Good question. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take 6th house as B. We say 6th house is most > > > > > > malefic right. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd house becomes D and 11th house becomes E. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, depending on what you are finding or the > > > > > > context its being used > > > > > > it can be good or bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > So now why Laghu prarashari has used 3-6-11 only. > > > > > > So that is D - B - E. > > > > > > > > > > > > Both 3rd and 11th are eager to give result for 6th > > > > > > and this is upachya > > > > > > theory and 3rd and 11th have diffence i.e. 3rd > > > > > > creates chance for 6th > > > > > > and 11th is after event. > > > > > > > > > > > > Say you are studying job timing so 3rd and 11th are > > > > > > eager to giving > > > > > > timing of event, now 3rd is also parakram and can be > > > > > > interpreted as > > > > > > giving or success in interview so that is " pre " > > > > > > event of 6th making > > > > > > chance and 11th is income so that starts after job. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you understand what I am trying to say above > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In VA, those who follow laghu parashari, the 12th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > gives results by association so is not bad. 3-6-11 > > > > > > > lords are malefic 11th being the most malefic. I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > curious to know how 11th lord ( Not planets > > > > > > residing > > > > > > > in 11th) is treated in KAS. As per laghu parashari > > > > > > > planets in 11th are ok but 11th lord is deemed > > > > > > most > > > > > > > malefic. ( 6th is lesser and 3rd lesser than 6th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house is that of Moksh. Its a very special > > > > > > > > house. When planets > > > > > > > > go in 12th house they enhance the status of the > > > > > > > > house they rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, when 12th lord goes into a house then > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > result of that > > > > > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here by Result I mean Quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another way of looking at it is that 6th house > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the most malefic > > > > > > > > house so 7th from that is the most benefic > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There has been some discussion that you can look > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > in the archives > > > > > > > > when some people have showed surprise as in > > > > > > > > traditional VA, 12th house > > > > > > > > is only taken for loss and is deemded bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord in 12th means 8th house results are > > > > > > > > enhanced and in VA they > > > > > > > > call it Vipareet Raj Yog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord in 12th house also enahnces the status > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > 6th house so again VRY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 12th again, in House D for 3rd and > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > the same time > > > > > > > > enhances results of 3rd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why planets in 12 th house enhance houses they > > > > > > > > rule ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing something here ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On one hand many planets are in 12th house > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > had solved a chart > > > > > > > > > > recently that Satish had given. Ju, Ma, Me > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > all in 12th house > > > > > > > > > > so the house that they all rule, the results > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > those get enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Means 7th, 10th, 1st, 4th, 5th and 12th and > > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > > > house all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > > > > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2007 Dear Anup, This has been discussed. Read Krushaji's write up in the archives. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , Anup <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear ASH, > > Can a marriage in the antra of 2nd lord be a happy marriage? > Coz as u say, this 2ND LORD ANTRA gives worry for no reasons:) > > Regards > ANUP > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Laghu Parasari says > > " 8. Lords of the 2nd and 12th houses are powerful not because of > their own merit; they are greatly influenced in giving good or bad > results by their association or position in the chart. " > > AS PER KAS WE SAY > > In KAS we say that 2nd lord and antra of 2nd lord or its SD can cause > unnecessary worries for the native. > > We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it enhances the result of > that house. In addition we also say that if planets go to 12th house > of the chart then the results of house ruled by them is enhanced. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > " 33. If a Raja Yoga is operative in the Sub-period of a Yogakaraka > > but Maraka planet, it improves the effect of such a Yoga. In the same > > way the sub-period of a malefic promotes the results. " > > > > IN KAS WE CAN STUDY THE SAME AND WE SAY > > > > RAJA YOGA IS PLANET OWNING TRINE AND KENDRA AND IN THE SUB PERIOD OR > > ANTRA OF MARAK PLANET (7TH LORD) IS RUNNING THEN IT IMPROVES. > > > > NOW SAY 5TH LORD MD IS RUNNING SO IN KAS WE SAY THAT MD IS RELATED TO > > STATUS. NOW SAY CANCER LAGNA IS THERE AND MARS RULES 5TH AND 10TH > > HOUSE AND MD OR MARS IS RUNNING. INSIDE THAT ANTRA OF SATURN IS > > RUNNING WHO IS MARAK PLANET I.E. 7TH LORD, SO AS PER ABOVE TEXT ITS > > SAID THAT THE EFFECT OF SUCH A YOGA WILL BE IMPROVED. > > > > SO MD RELATED TO 5TH HOUSE AND BEING LORD OF 10TH SO KARAK FOR 3RD AND > > AT THE SAME TIME LOD MEANS 10TH FROM 10TH LORDS ANTRA IS RUNNING AND > > AT SAME TIME ITS ALSO 8TH LORD SO LOD FOR 11TH SO OFCOUSE THINGS WILL > > BECOME MORE BETTER. THIS WE ARE CONSIDERING IN KAS USING OUR LAWS. > > > > ------------------------- > > > > NEXT POINT ITS SAID ABOVE THAT SUB PERIOD OF MALEFICS PROMOTES THE > > RESULTS SO HERE WE ALSO SAY, THAT MALEFIC PLANETS ASPECT WITH BENEFIC > > SIGHT SO FOR MARS AND SATURN WHO ARE NATURAL MALEFICS IF THEY ARE > > MOSTLY WITH LESS THAN 3 BINDUS SO THEY WILL BAD FOR 1 HOUSE AT THE > > SAME TIME THEY WILL ASPECT BENEFICALLY TO 3 HOUSES INCRESING THEIR > > POWER. > > > > SO AS PER KAS WE ALSO SAY THAT ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS IN NEECHA > > SIGN AND WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS RELATIVELY SPEAKING SO THAT 3 PLANETS > > JU MA AND SA HAVE 3 ASPECTS EACH AND THEY WILL INCREASE THE POINTWS OF > > THE 3 HOUSE THEY ASPECT. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > " 9. Lord of the 8th house (Randhresh) by virtue of being the 12th > > > (Vyayesh) from the 9th (Bhagyesha) does not produce good results; but > > > if he happens to be the lord of the Ascendant/Ascendant and occupies > > > the 1st or the 8th house, he becomes benefic. " > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY. > > > > > > 1) 12th lord from House B is not conducive to House B. > > > > > > 2) As per the above scenario, the exception is given where its said > > > that if the 8th lord i.e. 12th from 9th is also lagna lord or posted > > > in lagna then he becomes a benefic. > > > > > > Now lord of 8th and 1st can only be Mars or Venus and that too for > > > Libra and Aries lagna. So if Venus is in Taurus and Mars is in Sco > > > then they become benefic. > > > > > > So For both cases LoE is in House B for B = 8. So better results of > > > 8th house. > > > > > > Also in both cases i.e. Aries lagna and Libra lagna 9th and 6th lords > > > are same. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasarai says > > > > > > > > " 11. Mercury has less of this evil nature as compared to Venus; the > > > > Moon has much less than that of Mercury. The same way the Sun > and the > > > > Moon are not evil being Asthmesh (lord of the 8th). " > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY > > > > > > > > Mercury is more benefic than Venus for that you can see the total > > > > bindus in lesson one. Mercury has been allocated 54 benefic points > > > > and Venus has 52 benefic points. > > > > > > > > Moon hsa much less than that of Mercury it says, and if you > check the > > > > bindus allocated to Moon its only 49 bindus or benefic points so > > > > compared to Mercury's 54, Moons is far less of 49. > > > > > > > > In KAS we say that Sun and Moon are not malefic as 6th lord or > > > > saptemesh but in laghu parasari its given for Ashtemesh. > > > > > > > > 6th house is what we take as most malefic and infact from 8th > house we > > > > see death which is most auspicious event as per KAS and will > happen in > > > > highest power planet or LoD or LoE etc. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Laghu prarasarai says > > > > > > > > > > " 6. All the planets owning Trines, i.e. the 1st, 5th and 9th > Houses > > > > > by signs produce uniformly good results, whether they are > > benefics or > > > > > malefics. If they own the Trick houses, i.e. the 3rd, 6th and 11th > > > > > houses by signs, they are always disposed towards evil. " > > > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE STUDY IT AS FOLLOWS > > > > > > > > > > 1st 5th and 9th are good irrsepective the are owned by benefics or > > > > > malefics as in all cases of 5th and 9th they will trigger 12th > apart > > > > > from other house too. > > > > > > > > > > Now only Me and Ju might own 9th and 6th. > > > > > > > > > > Ve and Ma might own 1st and 6th together so sco lagna or taurus > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > no planet can own 3rd and 5th or 11th and 9th. > > > > > > > > > > Now in KAS we would go into further detail using Ashtakavarga to > > judge > > > > > more closely who will the planet behave more like. Krushanji has > > > > > given that for Mars and Venus especially when owning 6th house one > > > > > must study the same keenly. > > > > > > > > > > Now this part is not covered in the write up in laghu parasari > > or the > > > > > expectation is that one must know these things as fundamentals of > > > > > Astrology as its given or indicated in the first few verses. > > > > > > > > > > The same or similar thing with the next verse where they say about > > > > > planets owning trine and 3-6-11 simultaneously. > > > > > > > > > > Now, take Saturn and aries lagna so Sa will own 10th and 11th > > house. > > > > > So Sa is not necessarily bad for all events. For 10th house > it will > > > > > become B and A for 3rd house so it will give hard work it will > > become > > > > > C for 6th and D for 1st and E for 5th. > > > > > > > > > > Similarly Sa owning 3rd and 4th house so again you can study using > > > > > ABCDE theory and it need not be the case that Sa is bad or evil. > > Take > > > > > Sco lagna and Sa in 4th house then as per VA its sasa mahapurush > > > yog. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > While I have laghu parasarai open and a few mins will write a > > > few more > > > > > > verses explanation.... it might be useful for some other > students. > > > > > > > > > > > > " 36. Rahu-Ketu, if posited in a Trine or Angle and are not > > > related to > > > > > > any other planet, give good results during their main ruling > > period > > > > > > and in the sub-period of a Yoga Karaka. " > > > > > > > > > > > > AS PER KAS > > > > > > > > > > > > We are saying Ra and Ke located in House D and E are eager > to give > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now when Ra/Ke is placed in 1st house then it will become > eager to > > > > > > give result for 4th and 8th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 4th house can give marriage and good income > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 7th house can give good authority and wealth > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 10th house can give good status reputation and good > luck > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 5th or 9th will trigger 12th house of moksh and > > > enjoyment and > > > > > > right in this life time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra/ke in 9th house will trigger 12th and 4th so good > > enjoymenet and > > > > > > knowledge and assets > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 5th will trigger 12th and 8th house so good > > > inheritance/death > > > > > > and enjoyment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ofcouse when Ra is in 9th then Ke is in 3rd and when Ra is in > > > 5th then > > > > > > Ketu is in 11th so thereby triggering 2 more houses atleast. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you can add the SD portion to it i.e .Ra and Ke are Sd to > > Sign > > > > > > lord AND NAK LORD and give predictions or timing accordingly > > > based on > > > > > > the points and status of the planet they represent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is that of serve, so in modern context we can take it as > > job. > > > > > > > 10th house is House C and 1st is A. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 10th is next generation and 10th and 6th will have same > > > nakshtra > > > > > > lords. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So for Job, 6th house and for authority which is next > > > generation of > > > > > > > 6th is from 10th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, you have asked a detailed question, so when studying for > > > > Job, we > > > > > > > take help of WS and study whats going on in 11th, 10th, 6th, > > like > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So say, one person has a job but he or she might change jobs > > for a > > > > > > > higher paying job then in that case WS will reflect the same > > > so 11th > > > > > > > house power would trigger or if he or she is leaving a job > > to get > > > > > > > higher authority and income then 10th and 11th will play a > role > > > > along > > > > > > > with 6th so like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But 6th house is job and 10th is authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I think I get the drift of the logic. Now > > > > > > > > looking at job timing, do you look at 6th as B or 10th > > > > > > > > as B? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can also see how 11th lord dasha can give malefic > > > > > > > > results as it is eager to give results of the 6th > > > > > > > > house, which has all the negative implications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok. Good question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take 6th house as B. We say 6th house is most > > > > > > > > > malefic right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd house becomes D and 11th house becomes E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, depending on what you are finding or the > > > > > > > > > context its being used > > > > > > > > > it can be good or bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now why Laghu prarashari has used 3-6-11 only. > > > > > > > > > So that is D - B - E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both 3rd and 11th are eager to give result for 6th > > > > > > > > > and this is upachya > > > > > > > > > theory and 3rd and 11th have diffence i.e. 3rd > > > > > > > > > creates chance for 6th > > > > > > > > > and 11th is after event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say you are studying job timing so 3rd and 11th are > > > > > > > > > eager to giving > > > > > > > > > timing of event, now 3rd is also parakram and can be > > > > > > > > > interpreted as > > > > > > > > > giving or success in interview so that is " pre " > > > > > > > > > event of 6th making > > > > > > > > > chance and 11th is income so that starts after job. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you understand what I am trying to say above > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In VA, those who follow laghu parashari, the 12th > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > gives results by association so is not bad. 3-6-11 > > > > > > > > > > lords are malefic 11th being the most malefic. I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > curious to know how 11th lord ( Not planets > > > > > > > > > residing > > > > > > > > > > in 11th) is treated in KAS. As per laghu parashari > > > > > > > > > > planets in 11th are ok but 11th lord is deemed > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > malefic. ( 6th is lesser and 3rd lesser than 6th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house is that of Moksh. Its a very special > > > > > > > > > > > house. When planets > > > > > > > > > > > go in 12th house they enhance the status of the > > > > > > > > > > > house they rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, when 12th lord goes into a house then > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > result of that > > > > > > > > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here by Result I mean Quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another way of looking at it is that 6th house > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the most malefic > > > > > > > > > > > house so 7th from that is the most benefic > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There has been some discussion that you can look > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > in the archives > > > > > > > > > > > when some people have showed surprise as in > > > > > > > > > > > traditional VA, 12th house > > > > > > > > > > > is only taken for loss and is deemded bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord in 12th means 8th house results are > > > > > > > > > > > enhanced and in VA they > > > > > > > > > > > call it Vipareet Raj Yog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord in 12th house also enahnces the status > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house so again VRY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 12th again, in House D for 3rd and > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > the same time > > > > > > > > > > > enhances results of 3rd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why planets in 12 th house enhance houses they > > > > > > > > > > > rule ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing something here ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On one hand many planets are in 12th house > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > had solved a chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently that Satish had given. Ju, Ma, Me > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > all in 12th house > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the house that they all rule, the results > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > those get enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Means 7th, 10th, 1st, 4th, 5th and 12th and > > > > > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > > > > > > > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2007 > 8th lord in 12th means 8th house results are enhanced and in VA they > call it Vipareet Raj Yog > > 6th lord in 12th house also enahnces the status of 6th house so again VRY > > 3rd lord in 12th again, in House D for 3rd and at the same time > enhances results of 3rd house According to standard VA, VRY would be also when 12th lord is situated in the 6th or 8th. Is status of those houses also (similarly) enhanced? all the best, Dadhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2007 > > 8th lord in 12th means 8th house results are enhanced and in VA they > > call it Vipareet Raj Yog > > > > 6th lord in 12th house also enahnces the status of 6th house so again > > VRY > > > > 3rd lord in 12th again, in House D for 3rd and at the same time > > enhances results of 3rd house > > > According to standard VA, VRY would be also when 12th lord is situated in > the 6th or 8th. > > Is status of those houses also (similarly) enhanced? > > all the best, > Dadhi Ash, actually you answered that few emails later, but I did not see.... thanks all the best, Dadhi ------------- We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it enhances the result of that house. In addition we also say that if planets go to 12th house of the chart then the results of house ruled by them is enhanced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2007 Dear Dadhi, No worries. I have also put that up on my blog. So if you register for the RSS you can see all the posts in your browser. There is one about 12th house and 12th lord and in that I have put the mails so that all can refer to it. I have also categorized it as KAS Theory so that such theory portion I can be searched easily. I hope this helps. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Dadhi " <Dadhi wrote: > > > > 8th lord in 12th means 8th house results are enhanced and in VA they > > > call it Vipareet Raj Yog > > > > > > 6th lord in 12th house also enahnces the status of 6th house so again > > > VRY > > > > > > 3rd lord in 12th again, in House D for 3rd and at the same time > > > enhances results of 3rd house > > > > > > According to standard VA, VRY would be also when 12th lord is situated in > > the 6th or 8th. > > > > Is status of those houses also (similarly) enhanced? > > > > all the best, > > Dadhi > > Ash, actually you answered that few emails later, but I did not see.... > thanks > > all the best, > Dadhi > > ------------- > > We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it enhances the result of > that house. In addition we also say that if planets go to 12th house > of the chart then the results of house ruled by them is enhanced. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2007 Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Bala and all, Very nice and systematically discussion went on the versus of laghu parasari and that comparison with KAS. I think many members might have benefited with this valuable knowledge. But I would like to ask Ash, when there is an exchange between the lords of 6th and 12th, then what result should be expected. Here in this cas as I think the quality of 6th house will be enhanced . 12th lord is in 6th so 6th is enhanced and secondly 6th lord has gone to 12th so again 6th is enhanced. So 6th house lord should be powerful. But here in this case both the lords are in 1:7 position and thus becomes enemy to each other Say for example Cn lagna is there .Its 12th lord is Me who occupy 6th of Sg and 6th lord Ju is in 12th of Ge. Now here Me and Ju is in 1:7. Then how do we go for these two houses with respect to quality ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Anup, This has been discussed. Read Krushaji's write up in the archives. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , Anup <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear ASH, > > Can a marriage in the antra of 2nd lord be a happy marriage? > Coz as u say, this 2ND LORD ANTRA gives worry for no reasons:) > > Regards > ANUP > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Laghu Parasari says > > " 8. Lords of the 2nd and 12th houses are powerful not because of > their own merit; they are greatly influenced in giving good or bad > results by their association or position in the chart. " > > AS PER KAS WE SAY > > In KAS we say that 2nd lord and antra of 2nd lord or its SD can cause > unnecessary worries for the native. > > We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it enhances the result of > that house. In addition we also say that if planets go to 12th house > of the chart then the results of house ruled by them is enhanced. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > " 33. If a Raja Yoga is operative in the Sub-period of a Yogakaraka > > but Maraka planet, it improves the effect of such a Yoga. In the same > > way the sub-period of a malefic promotes the results. " > > > > IN KAS WE CAN STUDY THE SAME AND WE SAY > > > > RAJA YOGA IS PLANET OWNING TRINE AND KENDRA AND IN THE SUB PERIOD OR > > ANTRA OF MARAK PLANET (7TH LORD) IS RUNNING THEN IT IMPROVES. > > > > NOW SAY 5TH LORD MD IS RUNNING SO IN KAS WE SAY THAT MD IS RELATED TO > > STATUS. NOW SAY CANCER LAGNA IS THERE AND MARS RULES 5TH AND 10TH > > HOUSE AND MD OR MARS IS RUNNING. INSIDE THAT ANTRA OF SATURN IS > > RUNNING WHO IS MARAK PLANET I.E. 7TH LORD, SO AS PER ABOVE TEXT ITS > > SAID THAT THE EFFECT OF SUCH A YOGA WILL BE IMPROVED. > > > > SO MD RELATED TO 5TH HOUSE AND BEING LORD OF 10TH SO KARAK FOR 3RD AND > > AT THE SAME TIME LOD MEANS 10TH FROM 10TH LORDS ANTRA IS RUNNING AND > > AT SAME TIME ITS ALSO 8TH LORD SO LOD FOR 11TH SO OFCOUSE THINGS WILL > > BECOME MORE BETTER. THIS WE ARE CONSIDERING IN KAS USING OUR LAWS. > > > > ------------------------- > > > > NEXT POINT ITS SAID ABOVE THAT SUB PERIOD OF MALEFICS PROMOTES THE > > RESULTS SO HERE WE ALSO SAY, THAT MALEFIC PLANETS ASPECT WITH BENEFIC > > SIGHT SO FOR MARS AND SATURN WHO ARE NATURAL MALEFICS IF THEY ARE > > MOSTLY WITH LESS THAN 3 BINDUS SO THEY WILL BAD FOR 1 HOUSE AT THE > > SAME TIME THEY WILL ASPECT BENEFICALLY TO 3 HOUSES INCRESING THEIR > > POWER. > > > > SO AS PER KAS WE ALSO SAY THAT ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS IN NEECHA > > SIGN AND WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS RELATIVELY SPEAKING SO THAT 3 PLANETS > > JU MA AND SA HAVE 3 ASPECTS EACH AND THEY WILL INCREASE THE POINTWS OF > > THE 3 HOUSE THEY ASPECT. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > " 9. Lord of the 8th house (Randhresh) by virtue of being the 12th > > > (Vyayesh) from the 9th (Bhagyesha) does not produce good results; but > > > if he happens to be the lord of the Ascendant/Ascendant and occupies > > > the 1st or the 8th house, he becomes benefic. " > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY. > > > > > > 1) 12th lord from House B is not conducive to House B. > > > > > > 2) As per the above scenario, the exception is given where its said > > > that if the 8th lord i.e. 12th from 9th is also lagna lord or posted > > > in lagna then he becomes a benefic. > > > > > > Now lord of 8th and 1st can only be Mars or Venus and that too for > > > Libra and Aries lagna. So if Venus is in Taurus and Mars is in Sco > > > then they become benefic. > > > > > > So For both cases LoE is in House B for B = 8. So better results of > > > 8th house. > > > > > > Also in both cases i.e. Aries lagna and Libra lagna 9th and 6th lords > > > are same. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasarai says > > > > > > > > " 11. Mercury has less of this evil nature as compared to Venus; the > > > > Moon has much less than that of Mercury. The same way the Sun > and the > > > > Moon are not evil being Asthmesh (lord of the 8th). " > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY > > > > > > > > Mercury is more benefic than Venus for that you can see the total > > > > bindus in lesson one. Mercury has been allocated 54 benefic points > > > > and Venus has 52 benefic points. > > > > > > > > Moon hsa much less than that of Mercury it says, and if you > check the > > > > bindus allocated to Moon its only 49 bindus or benefic points so > > > > compared to Mercury's 54, Moons is far less of 49. > > > > > > > > In KAS we say that Sun and Moon are not malefic as 6th lord or > > > > saptemesh but in laghu parasari its given for Ashtemesh. > > > > > > > > 6th house is what we take as most malefic and infact from 8th > house we > > > > see death which is most auspicious event as per KAS and will > happen in > > > > highest power planet or LoD or LoE etc. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Laghu prarasarai says > > > > > > > > > > " 6. All the planets owning Trines, i.e. the 1st, 5th and 9th > Houses > > > > > by signs produce uniformly good results, whether they are > > benefics or > > > > > malefics. If they own the Trick houses, i.e. the 3rd, 6th and 11th > > > > > houses by signs, they are always disposed towards evil. " > > > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE STUDY IT AS FOLLOWS > > > > > > > > > > 1st 5th and 9th are good irrsepective the are owned by benefics or > > > > > malefics as in all cases of 5th and 9th they will trigger 12th > apart > > > > > from other house too. > > > > > > > > > > Now only Me and Ju might own 9th and 6th. > > > > > > > > > > Ve and Ma might own 1st and 6th together so sco lagna or taurus > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > no planet can own 3rd and 5th or 11th and 9th. > > > > > > > > > > Now in KAS we would go into further detail using Ashtakavarga to > > judge > > > > > more closely who will the planet behave more like. Krushanji has > > > > > given that for Mars and Venus especially when owning 6th house one > > > > > must study the same keenly. > > > > > > > > > > Now this part is not covered in the write up in laghu parasari > > or the > > > > > expectation is that one must know these things as fundamentals of > > > > > Astrology as its given or indicated in the first few verses. > > > > > > > > > > The same or similar thing with the next verse where they say about > > > > > planets owning trine and 3-6-11 simultaneously. > > > > > > > > > > Now, take Saturn and aries lagna so Sa will own 10th and 11th > > house. > > > > > So Sa is not necessarily bad for all events. For 10th house > it will > > > > > become B and A for 3rd house so it will give hard work it will > > become > > > > > C for 6th and D for 1st and E for 5th. > > > > > > > > > > Similarly Sa owning 3rd and 4th house so again you can study using > > > > > ABCDE theory and it need not be the case that Sa is bad or evil. > > Take > > > > > Sco lagna and Sa in 4th house then as per VA its sasa mahapurush > > > yog. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > While I have laghu parasarai open and a few mins will write a > > > few more > > > > > > verses explanation.... it might be useful for some other > students. > > > > > > > > > > > > " 36. Rahu-Ketu, if posited in a Trine or Angle and are not > > > related to > > > > > > any other planet, give good results during their main ruling > > period > > > > > > and in the sub-period of a Yoga Karaka. " > > > > > > > > > > > > AS PER KAS > > > > > > > > > > > > We are saying Ra and Ke located in House D and E are eager > to give > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now when Ra/Ke is placed in 1st house then it will become > eager to > > > > > > give result for 4th and 8th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 4th house can give marriage and good income > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 7th house can give good authority and wealth > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 10th house can give good status reputation and good > luck > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 5th or 9th will trigger 12th house of moksh and > > > enjoyment and > > > > > > right in this life time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra/ke in 9th house will trigger 12th and 4th so good > > enjoymenet and > > > > > > knowledge and assets > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke in 5th will trigger 12th and 8th house so good > > > inheritance/death > > > > > > and enjoyment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ofcouse when Ra is in 9th then Ke is in 3rd and when Ra is in > > > 5th then > > > > > > Ketu is in 11th so thereby triggering 2 more houses atleast. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you can add the SD portion to it i.e .Ra and Ke are Sd to > > Sign > > > > > > lord AND NAK LORD and give predictions or timing accordingly > > > based on > > > > > > the points and status of the planet they represent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is that of serve, so in modern context we can take it as > > job. > > > > > > > 10th house is House C and 1st is A. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 10th is next generation and 10th and 6th will have same > > > nakshtra > > > > > > lords. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So for Job, 6th house and for authority which is next > > > generation of > > > > > > > 6th is from 10th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, you have asked a detailed question, so when studying for > > > > Job, we > > > > > > > take help of WS and study whats going on in 11th, 10th, 6th, > > like > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So say, one person has a job but he or she might change jobs > > for a > > > > > > > higher paying job then in that case WS will reflect the same > > > so 11th > > > > > > > house power would trigger or if he or she is leaving a job > > to get > > > > > > > higher authority and income then 10th and 11th will play a > role > > > > along > > > > > > > with 6th so like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But 6th house is job and 10th is authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I think I get the drift of the logic. Now > > > > > > > > looking at job timing, do you look at 6th as B or 10th > > > > > > > > as B? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can also see how 11th lord dasha can give malefic > > > > > > > > results as it is eager to give results of the 6th > > > > > > > > house, which has all the negative implications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok. Good question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take 6th house as B. We say 6th house is most > > > > > > > > > malefic right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd house becomes D and 11th house becomes E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, depending on what you are finding or the > > > > > > > > > context its being used > > > > > > > > > it can be good or bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now why Laghu prarashari has used 3-6-11 only. > > > > > > > > > So that is D - B - E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both 3rd and 11th are eager to give result for 6th > > > > > > > > > and this is upachya > > > > > > > > > theory and 3rd and 11th have diffence i.e. 3rd > > > > > > > > > creates chance for 6th > > > > > > > > > and 11th is after event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say you are studying job timing so 3rd and 11th are > > > > > > > > > eager to giving > > > > > > > > > timing of event, now 3rd is also parakram and can be > > > > > > > > > interpreted as > > > > > > > > > giving or success in interview so that is " pre " > > > > > > > > > event of 6th making > > > > > > > > > chance and 11th is income so that starts after job. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you understand what I am trying to say above > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In VA, those who follow laghu parashari, the 12th > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > gives results by association so is not bad. 3-6-11 > > > > > > > > > > lords are malefic 11th being the most malefic. I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > curious to know how 11th lord ( Not planets > > > > > > > > > residing > > > > > > > > > > in 11th) is treated in KAS. As per laghu parashari > > > > > > > > > > planets in 11th are ok but 11th lord is deemed > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > malefic. ( 6th is lesser and 3rd lesser than 6th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house is that of Moksh. Its a very special > > > > > > > > > > > house. When planets > > > > > > > > > > > go in 12th house they enhance the status of the > > > > > > > > > > > house they rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, when 12th lord goes into a house then > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > result of that > > > > > > > > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here by Result I mean Quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another way of looking at it is that 6th house > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the most malefic > > > > > > > > > > > house so 7th from that is the most benefic > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There has been some discussion that you can look > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > in the archives > > > > > > > > > > > when some people have showed surprise as in > > > > > > > > > > > traditional VA, 12th house > > > > > > > > > > > is only taken for loss and is deemded bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord in 12th means 8th house results are > > > > > > > > > > > enhanced and in VA they > > > > > > > > > > > call it Vipareet Raj Yog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord in 12th house also enahnces the status > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house so again VRY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 12th again, in House D for 3rd and > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > the same time > > > > > > > > > > > enhances results of 3rd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why planets in 12 th house enhance houses they > > > > > > > > > > > rule ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing something here ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On one hand many planets are in 12th house > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > had solved a chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently that Satish had given. 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Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Ramesh, Good question. From VA perspective 6-8-12 are bad houses ( Yes 8 and 12 also have some positive significations, and thats why their lords are not considered malefic but give results by association) So bad house lord going to another bad house is considered good and thats why it is called VRY. There are a few more conditions attached to it to classify as a true VRY. I am not sure whether 12th lord enhancing the bhava it goes to is KAS specific. I have not come across it in my readings yet Satish --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Bala and all, > Very nice and systematically discussion went on > the versus of laghu parasari and that comparison > with KAS. I think many members might have benefited > with this valuable knowledge. > But I would like to ask Ash, when there is an > exchange between the lords of 6th and 12th, then > what result should be expected. > Here in this cas as I think the quality of 6th > house will be enhanced . 12th lord is in 6th so 6th > is enhanced and secondly 6th lord has gone to 12th > so again 6th is enhanced. So 6th house lord should > be powerful. > But here in this case both the lords are in 1:7 > position and thus becomes enemy to each other > Say for example Cn lagna is there .Its 12th lord > is Me who occupy 6th of Sg and 6th lord Ju is in > 12th of Ge. Now here Me and Ju is in 1:7. > Then how do we go for these two houses with > respect to quality ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Anup, > This has been discussed. Read Krushaji's write up in > the archives. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , > Anup <dalh_1 wrote: > > > > Dear ASH, > > > > Can a marriage in the antra of 2nd lord be > a happy marriage? > > Coz as u say, this 2ND LORD ANTRA gives worry for > no reasons:) > > > > Regards > > ANUP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > " 8. Lords of the 2nd and 12th houses are powerful > not because of > > their own merit; they are greatly influenced in > giving good or bad > > results by their association or position in the > chart. " > > > > AS PER KAS WE SAY > > > > In KAS we say that 2nd lord and antra of 2nd lord > or its SD can cause > > unnecessary worries for the native. > > > > We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it > enhances the result of > > that house. In addition we also say that if > planets go to 12th house > > of the chart then the results of house ruled by > them is enhanced. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > " 33. If a Raja Yoga is operative in the > Sub-period of a Yogakaraka > > > but Maraka planet, it improves the effect of > such a Yoga. In the same > > > way the sub-period of a malefic promotes the > results. " > > > > > > IN KAS WE CAN STUDY THE SAME AND WE SAY > > > > > > RAJA YOGA IS PLANET OWNING TRINE AND KENDRA AND > IN THE SUB PERIOD OR > > > ANTRA OF MARAK PLANET (7TH LORD) IS RUNNING THEN > IT IMPROVES. > > > > > > NOW SAY 5TH LORD MD IS RUNNING SO IN KAS WE SAY > THAT MD IS RELATED TO > > > STATUS. NOW SAY CANCER LAGNA IS THERE AND MARS > RULES 5TH AND 10TH > > > HOUSE AND MD OR MARS IS RUNNING. INSIDE THAT > ANTRA OF SATURN IS > > > RUNNING WHO IS MARAK PLANET I.E. 7TH LORD, SO AS > PER ABOVE TEXT ITS > > > SAID THAT THE EFFECT OF SUCH A YOGA WILL BE > IMPROVED. > > > > > > SO MD RELATED TO 5TH HOUSE AND BEING LORD OF > 10TH SO KARAK FOR 3RD AND > > > AT THE SAME TIME LOD MEANS 10TH FROM 10TH LORDS > ANTRA IS RUNNING AND > > > AT SAME TIME ITS ALSO 8TH LORD SO LOD FOR 11TH > SO OFCOUSE THINGS WILL > > > BECOME MORE BETTER. THIS WE ARE CONSIDERING IN > KAS USING OUR LAWS. > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > NEXT POINT ITS SAID ABOVE THAT SUB PERIOD OF > MALEFICS PROMOTES THE > > > RESULTS SO HERE WE ALSO SAY, THAT MALEFIC > PLANETS ASPECT WITH BENEFIC > > > SIGHT SO FOR MARS AND SATURN WHO ARE NATURAL > MALEFICS IF THEY ARE > > > MOSTLY WITH LESS THAN 3 BINDUS SO THEY WILL BAD > FOR 1 HOUSE AT THE > > > SAME TIME THEY WILL ASPECT BENEFICALLY TO 3 > HOUSES INCRESING THEIR > > > POWER. > > > > > > SO AS PER KAS WE ALSO SAY THAT ITS BETTER TO > HAVE PLANETS IN NEECHA > > > SIGN AND WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS RELATIVELY > SPEAKING SO THAT 3 PLANETS > > > JU MA AND SA HAVE 3 ASPECTS EACH AND THEY WILL > INCREASE THE POINTWS OF > > > THE 3 HOUSE THEY ASPECT. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > " 9. Lord of the 8th house (Randhresh) by > virtue of being the 12th > > > > (Vyayesh) from the 9th (Bhagyesha) does not > produce good > results; but > > > > if he happens to be the lord of the > Ascendant/Ascendant and occupies > > > > the 1st or the 8th house, he becomes benefic. " > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY. > > > > > > > > 1) 12th lord from House B is not conducive to > House B. > > > > > > > > 2) As per the above scenario, the exception is > given where its said > > > > that if the 8th lord i.e. 12th from 9th is > also lagna lord or posted > > > > in lagna then he becomes a benefic. > > > > > > > > Now lord of 8th and 1st can only be Mars or > Venus and that too for > > > > Libra and Aries lagna. So if Venus is in > Taurus and Mars is in Sco > > > > then they become benefic. > > > > > > > > So For both cases LoE is in House B for B = 8. > So better results of > > > > 8th house. > > > > > > > > Also in both cases i.e. Aries lagna and Libra > lagna 9th and 6th > lords > > > > are same. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasarai says > > > > > > > > > > " 11. Mercury has less of this evil nature > as compared to > Venus; the > > > > > Moon has much less than that of Mercury. The > same way the Sun > > and the > > > > > Moon are not evil being Asthmesh (lord of > the === message truncated === Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Satish, This has to be checked in many charts. As per my verification I have found it ok to some extent but not fully. As for example one native was born with Leo lagna whose lord is in 12th combined with Sa and Me. Now Sa is 6th and 7th lord here so Sa being in 12th should enhance the result of 6th and 7th. It means their married life should be enhanced. I know this family very close to us.Their family life is hell.But positive point is that they do not seek divorce or do not live separately Me being 2nd and 11th lord should give better finance due to enhancing 2nd and 11th house. In fact he is just pulling on somehow with the financial condition.We can say it satisfactory financial condition. Su being lagna lord he occasionally , once in a blue moon falls sick.Status is also not up to the standard. So likewise there are many examples. Earlier I was not noticing these aspects but now a days after reading KAS lessons I started noticing it. Ramesh Mishra SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Ramesh, Good question. From VA perspective 6-8-12 are bad houses ( Yes 8 and 12 also have some positive significations, and thats why their lords are not considered malefic but give results by association) So bad house lord going to another bad house is considered good and thats why it is called VRY. There are a few more conditions attached to it to classify as a true VRY. I am not sure whether 12th lord enhancing the bhava it goes to is KAS specific. I have not come across it in my readings yet Satish --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Bala and all, > Very nice and systematically discussion went on > the versus of laghu parasari and that comparison > with KAS. I think many members might have benefited > with this valuable knowledge. > But I would like to ask Ash, when there is an > exchange between the lords of 6th and 12th, then > what result should be expected. > Here in this cas as I think the quality of 6th > house will be enhanced . 12th lord is in 6th so 6th > is enhanced and secondly 6th lord has gone to 12th > so again 6th is enhanced. So 6th house lord should > be powerful. > But here in this case both the lords are in 1:7 > position and thus becomes enemy to each other > Say for example Cn lagna is there .Its 12th lord > is Me who occupy 6th of Sg and 6th lord Ju is in > 12th of Ge. Now here Me and Ju is in 1:7. > Then how do we go for these two houses with > respect to quality ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Anup, > This has been discussed. Read Krushaji's write up in > the archives. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , > Anup <dalh_1 wrote: > > > > Dear ASH, > > > > Can a marriage in the antra of 2nd lord be > a happy marriage? > > Coz as u say, this 2ND LORD ANTRA gives worry for > no reasons:) > > > > Regards > > ANUP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > " 8. Lords of the 2nd and 12th houses are powerful > not because of > > their own merit; they are greatly influenced in > giving good or bad > > results by their association or position in the > chart. " > > > > AS PER KAS WE SAY > > > > In KAS we say that 2nd lord and antra of 2nd lord > or its SD can cause > > unnecessary worries for the native. > > > > We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it > enhances the result of > > that house. In addition we also say that if > planets go to 12th house > > of the chart then the results of house ruled by > them is enhanced. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > " 33. If a Raja Yoga is operative in the > Sub-period of a Yogakaraka > > > but Maraka planet, it improves the effect of > such a Yoga. In the same > > > way the sub-period of a malefic promotes the > results. " > > > > > > IN KAS WE CAN STUDY THE SAME AND WE SAY > > > > > > RAJA YOGA IS PLANET OWNING TRINE AND KENDRA AND > IN THE SUB PERIOD OR > > > ANTRA OF MARAK PLANET (7TH LORD) IS RUNNING THEN > IT IMPROVES. > > > > > > NOW SAY 5TH LORD MD IS RUNNING SO IN KAS WE SAY > THAT MD IS RELATED TO > > > STATUS. NOW SAY CANCER LAGNA IS THERE AND MARS > RULES 5TH AND 10TH > > > HOUSE AND MD OR MARS IS RUNNING. INSIDE THAT > ANTRA OF SATURN IS > > > RUNNING WHO IS MARAK PLANET I.E. 7TH LORD, SO AS > PER ABOVE TEXT ITS > > > SAID THAT THE EFFECT OF SUCH A YOGA WILL BE > IMPROVED. > > > > > > SO MD RELATED TO 5TH HOUSE AND BEING LORD OF > 10TH SO KARAK FOR 3RD AND > > > AT THE SAME TIME LOD MEANS 10TH FROM 10TH LORDS > ANTRA IS RUNNING AND > > > AT SAME TIME ITS ALSO 8TH LORD SO LOD FOR 11TH > SO OFCOUSE THINGS WILL > > > BECOME MORE BETTER. THIS WE ARE CONSIDERING IN > KAS USING OUR LAWS. > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > NEXT POINT ITS SAID ABOVE THAT SUB PERIOD OF > MALEFICS PROMOTES THE > > > RESULTS SO HERE WE ALSO SAY, THAT MALEFIC > PLANETS ASPECT WITH BENEFIC > > > SIGHT SO FOR MARS AND SATURN WHO ARE NATURAL > MALEFICS IF THEY ARE > > > MOSTLY WITH LESS THAN 3 BINDUS SO THEY WILL BAD > FOR 1 HOUSE AT THE > > > SAME TIME THEY WILL ASPECT BENEFICALLY TO 3 > HOUSES INCRESING THEIR > > > POWER. > > > > > > SO AS PER KAS WE ALSO SAY THAT ITS BETTER TO > HAVE PLANETS IN NEECHA > > > SIGN AND WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS RELATIVELY > SPEAKING SO THAT 3 PLANETS > > > JU MA AND SA HAVE 3 ASPECTS EACH AND THEY WILL > INCREASE THE POINTWS OF > > > THE 3 HOUSE THEY ASPECT. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > " 9. Lord of the 8th house (Randhresh) by > virtue of being the 12th > > > > (Vyayesh) from the 9th (Bhagyesha) does not > produce good > results; but > > > > if he happens to be the lord of the > Ascendant/Ascendant and occupies > > > > the 1st or the 8th house, he becomes benefic. " > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY. > > > > > > > > 1) 12th lord from House B is not conducive to > House B. > > > > > > > > 2) As per the above scenario, the exception is > given where its said > > > > that if the 8th lord i.e. 12th from 9th is > also lagna lord or posted > > > > in lagna then he becomes a benefic. > > > > > > > > Now lord of 8th and 1st can only be Mars or > Venus and that too for > > > > Libra and Aries lagna. So if Venus is in > Taurus and Mars is in Sco > > > > then they become benefic. > > > > > > > > So For both cases LoE is in House B for B = 8. > So better results of > > > > 8th house. > > > > > > > > Also in both cases i.e. Aries lagna and Libra > lagna 9th and 6th > lords > > > > are same. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasarai says > > > > > > > > > > " 11. Mercury has less of this evil nature > as compared to > Venus; the > > > > > Moon has much less than that of Mercury. The > same way the Sun > > and the > > > > > Moon are not evil being Asthmesh (lord of > the === message truncated === SHOUT IT OUT! Tell everyone, from anywhere, that you're online on Messenger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Satish and Ramesh, Actually, all this might have been a part of ancient books but the translation of some verses might not be found in todays texts or might have not been interpreted correctly. 8th house is the house of death. But 8th house is also karak for 1st. Now if death is considered as a bad event and a feared one, then 3rd being Karak so both 3rd and 8th people might have called as a bad house. Also 8th house is 12th from 9th house as well. So due to all these things it might have come to be known as bad. But its also Karak for 1st and if that is bad. 8th house is also for private parts so can be due to certain mentality it might have been concidered as Bad. Its also a house of hidden things so " fear of unknown " is psychology as well. 12th house is House C for 8th. So next generation of 8th house. So some people might be calling it " after life " stuff. Some also say that its Moksh means after death. But what we call Moksh is right here in this life time itself. 12th house is also that of punishment or hospitilization or vairagya etc. One time I had written a post to Dadhi about 12th house and spirituality and took help and explained the whole thing. That might be in the archives. But something to note here. When you say 12th, or say when in texts someome might have meant 12th from a House and in translation it might or chances are that in some places it might have been read as 12th house of the chart. As per KAS we say 12th from House B is not condusive to House B. Now if someone reads that as 12th house of the chart then .......... 6th , 8th and 12th house are not good in D charts. But now if that is Extended to Rasi then ??? So 12th house can be misunderstood. I mentioned that in Laghu parasari, when it was said Sun and Moon are not malefic as lord of " Ashtemesh " what if the translation was not accurate? What if someone read " Sastamesh " and instead said " Ashtemesh " . Now here is where faith in teachings come into play. I say that this Jyotish Vidhya might have been kept guarded and tranfered from father to son and Krushanji is teaching us this. Now, as per KAS teachings, Su and Mo are not to be considered Malefic as 6th lord. That we are saying from day 1. So here, even Vedic Texts that might have had such information that might have been " altered " in due course of time, can be set straight by using the knowledge that has been kept protected. Another fact is that, why is it not given clearly anywhere that if 60% or more events are taking place in LoD or LoE antra then how come its not accepted or written ? That is a Glaring fact isnt it? In some cases people are saying, Venus in 12th house might mean person is indulging in wine, women and song. And we are saying that the status of the house that Venus rules is enhanced. Ve is karak for 12th natural karak, so all such properties are enhanced. Isnt that a way of looking at it as well? 10th lord in 12th house means such person can get power more easily, so enhanced, at the same time he might not be able to manage that or might be incapable that is also a way to look at it. Infact 12th house is the root karak for 10th house. Its the parakram sthan for 10th. As a last note, Krushnaji has always said that if one understand KAS and the theory of KAS in detail, it will simplify Jyotish Shastra and that KAS is not any different from Vedic Astrology. Yes, there are certain things that are not written or might have got lost over time so those are given and for that also, in so many years we have solved so many charts with for example Ju in libra, Ve in krittika, aadra, moola and jayeshta, ve to sun distance > 43deg or ve to sun distnace < 3deg20. Just recently, someone on another list gave about 8-10 charts on girls who were party animals..... in each of the chart EXCEPT 1, these few law could be found. Is that co-incidence. 1) Ve in krittika, aadra moola or jayeshta or even nak of sun spoils venus, with krittiak being worst 2) Ju in libra 3) Ve to sun distance > 43deg20 or < 3deg20 4) asp of sa will enhance the malefic qualties of ve and if sa asp luminiary and if ve is not retro then its worst. These I can think on the top of my head and in all charts except 1 I found our laws matching. I did not write on that list, as such things to accept might be more difficult :-) But in 8 out of 9 charts or was it 7 out of 8 charts, but it was all except 1 chart, these few laws were coming up in those charts. It can't be co-incidence, can it? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Ramesh, > > Good question. From VA perspective 6-8-12 are bad > houses ( Yes 8 and 12 also have some positive > significations, and thats why their lords are not > considered malefic but give results by association) So > bad house lord going to another bad house is > considered good and thats why it is called VRY. There > are a few more conditions attached to it to classify > as a true VRY. > > I am not sure whether 12th lord enhancing the bhava it > goes to is KAS specific. I have not come across it in > my readings yet > > Satish > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Bala and all, > > Very nice and systematically discussion went on > > the versus of laghu parasari and that comparison > > with KAS. I think many members might have benefited > > with this valuable knowledge. > > But I would like to ask Ash, when there is an > > exchange between the lords of 6th and 12th, then > > what result should be expected. > > Here in this cas as I think the quality of 6th > > house will be enhanced . 12th lord is in 6th so 6th > > is enhanced and secondly 6th lord has gone to 12th > > so again 6th is enhanced. So 6th house lord should > > be powerful. > > But here in this case both the lords are in 1:7 > > position and thus becomes enemy to each other > > Say for example Cn lagna is there .Its 12th lord > > is Me who occupy 6th of Sg and 6th lord Ju is in > > 12th of Ge. Now here Me and Ju is in 1:7. > > Then how do we go for these two houses with > > respect to quality ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Anup, > > This has been discussed. Read Krushaji's write up in > > the archives. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear ASH, > > > > > > Can a marriage in the antra of 2nd lord be > > a happy marriage? > > > Coz as u say, this 2ND LORD ANTRA gives worry for > > no reasons:) > > > > > > Regards > > > ANUP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > " 8. Lords of the 2nd and 12th houses are powerful > > not because of > > > their own merit; they are greatly influenced in > > giving good or bad > > > results by their association or position in the > > chart. " > > > > > > AS PER KAS WE SAY > > > > > > In KAS we say that 2nd lord and antra of 2nd lord > > or its SD can cause > > > unnecessary worries for the native. > > > > > > We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it > > enhances the result of > > > that house. In addition we also say that if > > planets go to 12th house > > > of the chart then the results of house ruled by > > them is enhanced. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > " 33. If a Raja Yoga is operative in the > > Sub-period of a Yogakaraka > > > > but Maraka planet, it improves the effect of > > such a Yoga. In the same > > > > way the sub-period of a malefic promotes the > > results. " > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE CAN STUDY THE SAME AND WE SAY > > > > > > > > RAJA YOGA IS PLANET OWNING TRINE AND KENDRA AND > > IN THE SUB PERIOD OR > > > > ANTRA OF MARAK PLANET (7TH LORD) IS RUNNING THEN > > IT IMPROVES. > > > > > > > > NOW SAY 5TH LORD MD IS RUNNING SO IN KAS WE SAY > > THAT MD IS RELATED TO > > > > STATUS. NOW SAY CANCER LAGNA IS THERE AND MARS > > RULES 5TH AND 10TH > > > > HOUSE AND MD OR MARS IS RUNNING. INSIDE THAT > > ANTRA OF SATURN IS > > > > RUNNING WHO IS MARAK PLANET I.E. 7TH LORD, SO AS > > PER ABOVE TEXT ITS > > > > SAID THAT THE EFFECT OF SUCH A YOGA WILL BE > > IMPROVED. > > > > > > > > SO MD RELATED TO 5TH HOUSE AND BEING LORD OF > > 10TH SO KARAK FOR 3RD AND > > > > AT THE SAME TIME LOD MEANS 10TH FROM 10TH LORDS > > ANTRA IS RUNNING AND > > > > AT SAME TIME ITS ALSO 8TH LORD SO LOD FOR 11TH > > SO OFCOUSE THINGS WILL > > > > BECOME MORE BETTER. THIS WE ARE CONSIDERING IN > > KAS USING OUR LAWS. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > NEXT POINT ITS SAID ABOVE THAT SUB PERIOD OF > > MALEFICS PROMOTES THE > > > > RESULTS SO HERE WE ALSO SAY, THAT MALEFIC > > PLANETS ASPECT WITH BENEFIC > > > > SIGHT SO FOR MARS AND SATURN WHO ARE NATURAL > > MALEFICS IF THEY ARE > > > > MOSTLY WITH LESS THAN 3 BINDUS SO THEY WILL BAD > > FOR 1 HOUSE AT THE > > > > SAME TIME THEY WILL ASPECT BENEFICALLY TO 3 > > HOUSES INCRESING THEIR > > > > POWER. > > > > > > > > SO AS PER KAS WE ALSO SAY THAT ITS BETTER TO > > HAVE PLANETS IN NEECHA > > > > SIGN AND WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS RELATIVELY > > SPEAKING SO THAT 3 PLANETS > > > > JU MA AND SA HAVE 3 ASPECTS EACH AND THEY WILL > > INCREASE THE POINTWS OF > > > > THE 3 HOUSE THEY ASPECT. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > > > " 9. Lord of the 8th house (Randhresh) by > > virtue of being the 12th > > > > > (Vyayesh) from the 9th (Bhagyesha) does not > > produce good > > results; but > > > > > if he happens to be the lord of the > > Ascendant/Ascendant and occupies > > > > > the 1st or the 8th house, he becomes benefic. " > > > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY. > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12th lord from House B is not conducive to > > House B. > > > > > > > > > > 2) As per the above scenario, the exception is > > given where its said > > > > > that if the 8th lord i.e. 12th from 9th is > > also lagna lord or posted > > > > > in lagna then he becomes a benefic. > > > > > > > > > > Now lord of 8th and 1st can only be Mars or > > Venus and that too for > > > > > Libra and Aries lagna. So if Venus is in > > Taurus and Mars is in Sco > > > > > then they become benefic. > > > > > > > > > > So For both cases LoE is in House B for B = 8. > > So better results of > > > > > 8th house. > > > > > > > > > > Also in both cases i.e. Aries lagna and Libra > > lagna 9th and 6th > > lords > > > > > are same. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasarai says > > > > > > > > > > > > " 11. Mercury has less of this evil nature > > as compared to > > Venus; the > > > > > > Moon has much less than that of Mercury. The > > same way the Sun > > > and the > > > > > > Moon are not evil being Asthmesh (lord of > > the > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Ash and all, In VA 12th house is denoted as neutral.We may interpret 12th house the house from any house. Such as 8th is 12th from 9th the house of luck or the house of father and so on. When we consider 9th or any house and its lord goes to 12th from it means the loss of the significations of that house.This you have been doing so.Such if 7th lord goes to 6th means the significations of 7th is lost. 9th lord goes to 8th means significations of 9th is lost and so on. But what Krushna ji has been telling about 12th, he, as I conceived meant the 12th house of chart. So when the 12th lord goes to any house that house is enhanced and on the other hand any house lord goes to the 12th then also the significations of that house is enhanced. This dicta is for 12th house of the chart. But the house lord of any house goes to the 12th from that house then its effect is different from that of 12th of chart. This may be difference of 12th of chart and 12th from any house. I have full faith on what we had been doing till and this can be verified with so many charts after knowing the past event. However my confusion remained unanswered posted in the last posting.That is the exchange of house lords between 6th, 8th and 12th lord when its lord are in 1:7 combinations. In this case how do we interpret ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Satish and Ramesh, Actually, all this might have been a part of ancient books but the translation of some verses might not be found in todays texts or might have not been interpreted correctly. 8th house is the house of death. But 8th house is also karak for 1st. Now if death is considered as a bad event and a feared one, then 3rd being Karak so both 3rd and 8th people might have called as a bad house. Also 8th house is 12th from 9th house as well. So due to all these things it might have come to be known as bad. But its also Karak for 1st and if that is bad. 8th house is also for private parts so can be due to certain mentality it might have been concidered as Bad. Its also a house of hidden things so " fear of unknown " is psychology as well. 12th house is House C for 8th. So next generation of 8th house. So some people might be calling it " after life " stuff. Some also say that its Moksh means after death. But what we call Moksh is right here in this life time itself. 12th house is also that of punishment or hospitilization or vairagya etc. One time I had written a post to Dadhi about 12th house and spirituality and took help and explained the whole thing. That might be in the archives. But something to note here. When you say 12th, or say when in texts someome might have meant 12th from a House and in translation it might or chances are that in some places it might have been read as 12th house of the chart. As per KAS we say 12th from House B is not condusive to House B. Now if someone reads that as 12th house of the chart then .......... 6th , 8th and 12th house are not good in D charts. But now if that is Extended to Rasi then ??? So 12th house can be misunderstood. I mentioned that in Laghu parasari, when it was said Sun and Moon are not malefic as lord of " Ashtemesh " what if the translation was not accurate? What if someone read " Sastamesh " and instead said " Ashtemesh " . Now here is where faith in teachings come into play. I say that this Jyotish Vidhya might have been kept guarded and tranfered from father to son and Krushanji is teaching us this. Now, as per KAS teachings, Su and Mo are not to be considered Malefic as 6th lord. That we are saying from day 1. So here, even Vedic Texts that might have had such information that might have been " altered " in due course of time, can be set straight by using the knowledge that has been kept protected. Another fact is that, why is it not given clearly anywhere that if 60% or more events are taking place in LoD or LoE antra then how come its not accepted or written ? That is a Glaring fact isnt it? In some cases people are saying, Venus in 12th house might mean person is indulging in wine, women and song. And we are saying that the status of the house that Venus rules is enhanced. Ve is karak for 12th natural karak, so all such properties are enhanced. Isnt that a way of looking at it as well? 10th lord in 12th house means such person can get power more easily, so enhanced, at the same time he might not be able to manage that or might be incapable that is also a way to look at it. Infact 12th house is the root karak for 10th house. Its the parakram sthan for 10th. As a last note, Krushnaji has always said that if one understand KAS and the theory of KAS in detail, it will simplify Jyotish Shastra and that KAS is not any different from Vedic Astrology. Yes, there are certain things that are not written or might have got lost over time so those are given and for that also, in so many years we have solved so many charts with for example Ju in libra, Ve in krittika, aadra, moola and jayeshta, ve to sun distance > 43deg or ve to sun distnace < 3deg20. Just recently, someone on another list gave about 8-10 charts on girls who were party animals..... in each of the chart EXCEPT 1, these few law could be found. Is that co-incidence. 1) Ve in krittika, aadra moola or jayeshta or even nak of sun spoils venus, with krittiak being worst 2) Ju in libra 3) Ve to sun distance > 43deg20 or < 3deg20 4) asp of sa will enhance the malefic qualties of ve and if sa asp luminiary and if ve is not retro then its worst. These I can think on the top of my head and in all charts except 1 I found our laws matching. I did not write on that list, as such things to accept might be more difficult :-) But in 8 out of 9 charts or was it 7 out of 8 charts, but it was all except 1 chart, these few laws were coming up in those charts. It can't be co-incidence, can it? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Ramesh, > > Good question. From VA perspective 6-8-12 are bad > houses ( Yes 8 and 12 also have some positive > significations, and thats why their lords are not > considered malefic but give results by association) So > bad house lord going to another bad house is > considered good and thats why it is called VRY. There > are a few more conditions attached to it to classify > as a true VRY. > > I am not sure whether 12th lord enhancing the bhava it > goes to is KAS specific. I have not come across it in > my readings yet > > Satish > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Bala and all, > > Very nice and systematically discussion went on > > the versus of laghu parasari and that comparison > > with KAS. I think many members might have benefited > > with this valuable knowledge. > > But I would like to ask Ash, when there is an > > exchange between the lords of 6th and 12th, then > > what result should be expected. > > Here in this cas as I think the quality of 6th > > house will be enhanced . 12th lord is in 6th so 6th > > is enhanced and secondly 6th lord has gone to 12th > > so again 6th is enhanced. So 6th house lord should > > be powerful. > > But here in this case both the lords are in 1:7 > > position and thus becomes enemy to each other > > Say for example Cn lagna is there .Its 12th lord > > is Me who occupy 6th of Sg and 6th lord Ju is in > > 12th of Ge. Now here Me and Ju is in 1:7. > > Then how do we go for these two houses with > > respect to quality ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Anup, > > This has been discussed. Read Krushaji's write up in > > the archives. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear ASH, > > > > > > Can a marriage in the antra of 2nd lord be > > a happy marriage? > > > Coz as u say, this 2ND LORD ANTRA gives worry for > > no reasons:) > > > > > > Regards > > > ANUP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > " 8. Lords of the 2nd and 12th houses are powerful > > not because of > > > their own merit; they are greatly influenced in > > giving good or bad > > > results by their association or position in the > > chart. " > > > > > > AS PER KAS WE SAY > > > > > > In KAS we say that 2nd lord and antra of 2nd lord > > or its SD can cause > > > unnecessary worries for the native. > > > > > > We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it > > enhances the result of > > > that house. In addition we also say that if > > planets go to 12th house > > > of the chart then the results of house ruled by > > them is enhanced. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > " 33. If a Raja Yoga is operative in the > > Sub-period of a Yogakaraka > > > > but Maraka planet, it improves the effect of > > such a Yoga. In the same > > > > way the sub-period of a malefic promotes the > > results. " > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE CAN STUDY THE SAME AND WE SAY > > > > > > > > RAJA YOGA IS PLANET OWNING TRINE AND KENDRA AND > > IN THE SUB PERIOD OR > > > > ANTRA OF MARAK PLANET (7TH LORD) IS RUNNING THEN > > IT IMPROVES. > > > > > > > > NOW SAY 5TH LORD MD IS RUNNING SO IN KAS WE SAY > > THAT MD IS RELATED TO > > > > STATUS. NOW SAY CANCER LAGNA IS THERE AND MARS > > RULES 5TH AND 10TH > > > > HOUSE AND MD OR MARS IS RUNNING. INSIDE THAT > > ANTRA OF SATURN IS > > > > RUNNING WHO IS MARAK PLANET I.E. 7TH LORD, SO AS > > PER ABOVE TEXT ITS > > > > SAID THAT THE EFFECT OF SUCH A YOGA WILL BE > > IMPROVED. > > > > > > > > SO MD RELATED TO 5TH HOUSE AND BEING LORD OF > > 10TH SO KARAK FOR 3RD AND > > > > AT THE SAME TIME LOD MEANS 10TH FROM 10TH LORDS > > ANTRA IS RUNNING AND > > > > AT SAME TIME ITS ALSO 8TH LORD SO LOD FOR 11TH > > SO OFCOUSE THINGS WILL > > > > BECOME MORE BETTER. THIS WE ARE CONSIDERING IN > > KAS USING OUR LAWS. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > NEXT POINT ITS SAID ABOVE THAT SUB PERIOD OF > > MALEFICS PROMOTES THE > > > > RESULTS SO HERE WE ALSO SAY, THAT MALEFIC > > PLANETS ASPECT WITH BENEFIC > > > > SIGHT SO FOR MARS AND SATURN WHO ARE NATURAL > > MALEFICS IF THEY ARE > > > > MOSTLY WITH LESS THAN 3 BINDUS SO THEY WILL BAD > > FOR 1 HOUSE AT THE > > > > SAME TIME THEY WILL ASPECT BENEFICALLY TO 3 > > HOUSES INCRESING THEIR > > > > POWER. > > > > > > > > SO AS PER KAS WE ALSO SAY THAT ITS BETTER TO > > HAVE PLANETS IN NEECHA > > > > SIGN AND WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS RELATIVELY > > SPEAKING SO THAT 3 PLANETS > > > > JU MA AND SA HAVE 3 ASPECTS EACH AND THEY WILL > > INCREASE THE POINTWS OF > > > > THE 3 HOUSE THEY ASPECT. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > > > " 9. Lord of the 8th house (Randhresh) by > > virtue of being the 12th > > > > > (Vyayesh) from the 9th (Bhagyesha) does not > > produce good > > results; but > > > > > if he happens to be the lord of the > > Ascendant/Ascendant and occupies > > > > > the 1st or the 8th house, he becomes benefic. " > > > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY. > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12th lord from House B is not conducive to > > House B. > > > > > > > > > > 2) As per the above scenario, the exception is > > given where its said > > > > > that if the 8th lord i.e. 12th from 9th is > > also lagna lord or posted > > > > > in lagna then he becomes a benefic. > > > > > > > > > > Now lord of 8th and 1st can only be Mars or > > Venus and that too for > > > > > Libra and Aries lagna. So if Venus is in > > Taurus and Mars is in Sco > > > > > then they become benefic. > > > > > > > > > > So For both cases LoE is in House B for B = 8. > > So better results of > > > > > 8th house. > > > > > > > > > > Also in both cases i.e. Aries lagna and Libra > > lagna 9th and 6th > > lords > > > > > are same. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasarai says > > > > > > > > > > > > " 11. Mercury has less of this evil nature > > as compared to > > Venus; the > > > > > > Moon has much less than that of Mercury. The > > same way the Sun > > > and the > > > > > > Moon are not evil being Asthmesh (lord of > > the > === message truncated === > > > > > > > SHOUT IT OUT! Tell everyone, from anywhere, that you're online on Messenger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Ramesh, You are talking about Parivartan. Now lets break this up into pieces. 1) Scneario : Cancer lagna and Jupiter is in 12th house and Mercury is in 6th house. 2) So there is a parivartan. So Ju is staying in Mercury's house and Mercury is staying in Jupiters house. So each person will try to behave that is one way to see it. 3) Then both are natural enemies, so think if there are 2 people who are enemies of each other but for some reason has to go and stay in each others house. So both knowing whats at stake will not make mischief so will not spoil each others place. 4) Now, 12th house being special as its the most benefic house, it will enhance the house that Ju rules. So 6th and 9th house. 5) At the same time, 12th lord is going in 6th house so here 12th house is in the black hole, so that will spoil 12th and 3rd house results but as 12th lord is in 6th house it will enhance the result of 6th house. 6) For 6th as B, 3rd becomes D so its ok. For 3rd house as B, Gemini or 12th lord becomes LoD so again its ok. So overall 12th house will be disturbed but the results of 6th house will get enhanced. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Ramesh, > > Good question. From VA perspective 6-8-12 are bad > houses ( Yes 8 and 12 also have some positive > significations, and thats why their lords are not > considered malefic but give results by association) So > bad house lord going to another bad house is > considered good and thats why it is called VRY. There > are a few more conditions attached to it to classify > as a true VRY. > > I am not sure whether 12th lord enhancing the bhava it > goes to is KAS specific. I have not come across it in > my readings yet > > Satish > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Bala and all, > > Very nice and systematically discussion went on > > the versus of laghu parasari and that comparison > > with KAS. I think many members might have benefited > > with this valuable knowledge. > > But I would like to ask Ash, when there is an > > exchange between the lords of 6th and 12th, then > > what result should be expected. > > Here in this cas as I think the quality of 6th > > house will be enhanced . 12th lord is in 6th so 6th > > is enhanced and secondly 6th lord has gone to 12th > > so again 6th is enhanced. So 6th house lord should > > be powerful. > > But here in this case both the lords are in 1:7 > > position and thus becomes enemy to each other > > Say for example Cn lagna is there .Its 12th lord > > is Me who occupy 6th of Sg and 6th lord Ju is in > > 12th of Ge. Now here Me and Ju is in 1:7. > > Then how do we go for these two houses with > > respect to quality ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Anup, > > This has been discussed. Read Krushaji's write up in > > the archives. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear ASH, > > > > > > Can a marriage in the antra of 2nd lord be > > a happy marriage? > > > Coz as u say, this 2ND LORD ANTRA gives worry for > > no reasons:) > > > > > > Regards > > > ANUP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > " 8. Lords of the 2nd and 12th houses are powerful > > not because of > > > their own merit; they are greatly influenced in > > giving good or bad > > > results by their association or position in the > > chart. " > > > > > > AS PER KAS WE SAY > > > > > > In KAS we say that 2nd lord and antra of 2nd lord > > or its SD can cause > > > unnecessary worries for the native. > > > > > > We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it > > enhances the result of > > > that house. In addition we also say that if > > planets go to 12th house > > > of the chart then the results of house ruled by > > them is enhanced. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > " 33. If a Raja Yoga is operative in the > > Sub-period of a Yogakaraka > > > > but Maraka planet, it improves the effect of > > such a Yoga. In the same > > > > way the sub-period of a malefic promotes the > > results. " > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE CAN STUDY THE SAME AND WE SAY > > > > > > > > RAJA YOGA IS PLANET OWNING TRINE AND KENDRA AND > > IN THE SUB PERIOD OR > > > > ANTRA OF MARAK PLANET (7TH LORD) IS RUNNING THEN > > IT IMPROVES. > > > > > > > > NOW SAY 5TH LORD MD IS RUNNING SO IN KAS WE SAY > > THAT MD IS RELATED TO > > > > STATUS. NOW SAY CANCER LAGNA IS THERE AND MARS > > RULES 5TH AND 10TH > > > > HOUSE AND MD OR MARS IS RUNNING. INSIDE THAT > > ANTRA OF SATURN IS > > > > RUNNING WHO IS MARAK PLANET I.E. 7TH LORD, SO AS > > PER ABOVE TEXT ITS > > > > SAID THAT THE EFFECT OF SUCH A YOGA WILL BE > > IMPROVED. > > > > > > > > SO MD RELATED TO 5TH HOUSE AND BEING LORD OF > > 10TH SO KARAK FOR 3RD AND > > > > AT THE SAME TIME LOD MEANS 10TH FROM 10TH LORDS > > ANTRA IS RUNNING AND > > > > AT SAME TIME ITS ALSO 8TH LORD SO LOD FOR 11TH > > SO OFCOUSE THINGS WILL > > > > BECOME MORE BETTER. THIS WE ARE CONSIDERING IN > > KAS USING OUR LAWS. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > NEXT POINT ITS SAID ABOVE THAT SUB PERIOD OF > > MALEFICS PROMOTES THE > > > > RESULTS SO HERE WE ALSO SAY, THAT MALEFIC > > PLANETS ASPECT WITH BENEFIC > > > > SIGHT SO FOR MARS AND SATURN WHO ARE NATURAL > > MALEFICS IF THEY ARE > > > > MOSTLY WITH LESS THAN 3 BINDUS SO THEY WILL BAD > > FOR 1 HOUSE AT THE > > > > SAME TIME THEY WILL ASPECT BENEFICALLY TO 3 > > HOUSES INCRESING THEIR > > > > POWER. > > > > > > > > SO AS PER KAS WE ALSO SAY THAT ITS BETTER TO > > HAVE PLANETS IN NEECHA > > > > SIGN AND WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS RELATIVELY > > SPEAKING SO THAT 3 PLANETS > > > > JU MA AND SA HAVE 3 ASPECTS EACH AND THEY WILL > > INCREASE THE POINTWS OF > > > > THE 3 HOUSE THEY ASPECT. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > > > " 9. Lord of the 8th house (Randhresh) by > > virtue of being the 12th > > > > > (Vyayesh) from the 9th (Bhagyesha) does not > > produce good > > results; but > > > > > if he happens to be the lord of the > > Ascendant/Ascendant and occupies > > > > > the 1st or the 8th house, he becomes benefic. " > > > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY. > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12th lord from House B is not conducive to > > House B. > > > > > > > > > > 2) As per the above scenario, the exception is > > given where its said > > > > > that if the 8th lord i.e. 12th from 9th is > > also lagna lord or posted > > > > > in lagna then he becomes a benefic. > > > > > > > > > > Now lord of 8th and 1st can only be Mars or > > Venus and that too for > > > > > Libra and Aries lagna. So if Venus is in > > Taurus and Mars is in Sco > > > > > then they become benefic. > > > > > > > > > > So For both cases LoE is in House B for B = 8. > > So better results of > > > > > 8th house. > > > > > > > > > > Also in both cases i.e. Aries lagna and Libra > > lagna 9th and 6th > > lords > > > > > are same. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasarai says > > > > > > > > > > > > " 11. Mercury has less of this evil nature > > as compared to > > Venus; the > > > > > > Moon has much less than that of Mercury. The > > same way the Sun > > > and the > > > > > > Moon are not evil being Asthmesh (lord of > > the > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Thanks Ash for makong it understood. Regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, You are talking about Parivartan. Now lets break this up into pieces. 1) Scneario : Cancer lagna and Jupiter is in 12th house and Mercury is in 6th house. 2) So there is a parivartan. So Ju is staying in Mercury's house and Mercury is staying in Jupiters house. So each person will try to behave that is one way to see it. 3) Then both are natural enemies, so think if there are 2 people who are enemies of each other but for some reason has to go and stay in each others house. So both knowing whats at stake will not make mischief so will not spoil each others place. 4) Now, 12th house being special as its the most benefic house, it will enhance the house that Ju rules. So 6th and 9th house. 5) At the same time, 12th lord is going in 6th house so here 12th house is in the black hole, so that will spoil 12th and 3rd house results but as 12th lord is in 6th house it will enhance the result of 6th house. 6) For 6th as B, 3rd becomes D so its ok. For 3rd house as B, Gemini or 12th lord becomes LoD so again its ok. So overall 12th house will be disturbed but the results of 6th house will get enhanced. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Ramesh, > > Good question. From VA perspective 6-8-12 are bad > houses ( Yes 8 and 12 also have some positive > significations, and thats why their lords are not > considered malefic but give results by association) So > bad house lord going to another bad house is > considered good and thats why it is called VRY. There > are a few more conditions attached to it to classify > as a true VRY. > > I am not sure whether 12th lord enhancing the bhava it > goes to is KAS specific. I have not come across it in > my readings yet > > Satish > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Bala and all, > > Very nice and systematically discussion went on > > the versus of laghu parasari and that comparison > > with KAS. I think many members might have benefited > > with this valuable knowledge. > > But I would like to ask Ash, when there is an > > exchange between the lords of 6th and 12th, then > > what result should be expected. > > Here in this cas as I think the quality of 6th > > house will be enhanced . 12th lord is in 6th so 6th > > is enhanced and secondly 6th lord has gone to 12th > > so again 6th is enhanced. So 6th house lord should > > be powerful. > > But here in this case both the lords are in 1:7 > > position and thus becomes enemy to each other > > Say for example Cn lagna is there .Its 12th lord > > is Me who occupy 6th of Sg and 6th lord Ju is in > > 12th of Ge. Now here Me and Ju is in 1:7. > > Then how do we go for these two houses with > > respect to quality ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Anup, > > This has been discussed. Read Krushaji's write up in > > the archives. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear ASH, > > > > > > Can a marriage in the antra of 2nd lord be > > a happy marriage? > > > Coz as u say, this 2ND LORD ANTRA gives worry for > > no reasons:) > > > > > > Regards > > > ANUP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > " 8. Lords of the 2nd and 12th houses are powerful > > not because of > > > their own merit; they are greatly influenced in > > giving good or bad > > > results by their association or position in the > > chart. " > > > > > > AS PER KAS WE SAY > > > > > > In KAS we say that 2nd lord and antra of 2nd lord > > or its SD can cause > > > unnecessary worries for the native. > > > > > > We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it > > enhances the result of > > > that house. In addition we also say that if > > planets go to 12th house > > > of the chart then the results of house ruled by > > them is enhanced. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > " 33. If a Raja Yoga is operative in the > > Sub-period of a Yogakaraka > > > > but Maraka planet, it improves the effect of > > such a Yoga. In the same > > > > way the sub-period of a malefic promotes the > > results. " > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE CAN STUDY THE SAME AND WE SAY > > > > > > > > RAJA YOGA IS PLANET OWNING TRINE AND KENDRA AND > > IN THE SUB PERIOD OR > > > > ANTRA OF MARAK PLANET (7TH LORD) IS RUNNING THEN > > IT IMPROVES. > > > > > > > > NOW SAY 5TH LORD MD IS RUNNING SO IN KAS WE SAY > > THAT MD IS RELATED TO > > > > STATUS. NOW SAY CANCER LAGNA IS THERE AND MARS > > RULES 5TH AND 10TH > > > > HOUSE AND MD OR MARS IS RUNNING. INSIDE THAT > > ANTRA OF SATURN IS > > > > RUNNING WHO IS MARAK PLANET I.E. 7TH LORD, SO AS > > PER ABOVE TEXT ITS > > > > SAID THAT THE EFFECT OF SUCH A YOGA WILL BE > > IMPROVED. > > > > > > > > SO MD RELATED TO 5TH HOUSE AND BEING LORD OF > > 10TH SO KARAK FOR 3RD AND > > > > AT THE SAME TIME LOD MEANS 10TH FROM 10TH LORDS > > ANTRA IS RUNNING AND > > > > AT SAME TIME ITS ALSO 8TH LORD SO LOD FOR 11TH > > SO OFCOUSE THINGS WILL > > > > BECOME MORE BETTER. THIS WE ARE CONSIDERING IN > > KAS USING OUR LAWS. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > NEXT POINT ITS SAID ABOVE THAT SUB PERIOD OF > > MALEFICS PROMOTES THE > > > > RESULTS SO HERE WE ALSO SAY, THAT MALEFIC > > PLANETS ASPECT WITH BENEFIC > > > > SIGHT SO FOR MARS AND SATURN WHO ARE NATURAL > > MALEFICS IF THEY ARE > > > > MOSTLY WITH LESS THAN 3 BINDUS SO THEY WILL BAD > > FOR 1 HOUSE AT THE > > > > SAME TIME THEY WILL ASPECT BENEFICALLY TO 3 > > HOUSES INCRESING THEIR > > > > POWER. > > > > > > > > SO AS PER KAS WE ALSO SAY THAT ITS BETTER TO > > HAVE PLANETS IN NEECHA > > > > SIGN AND WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS RELATIVELY > > SPEAKING SO THAT 3 PLANETS > > > > JU MA AND SA HAVE 3 ASPECTS EACH AND THEY WILL > > INCREASE THE POINTWS OF > > > > THE 3 HOUSE THEY ASPECT. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > > > " 9. Lord of the 8th house (Randhresh) by > > virtue of being the 12th > > > > > (Vyayesh) from the 9th (Bhagyesha) does not > > produce good > > results; but > > > > > if he happens to be the lord of the > > Ascendant/Ascendant and occupies > > > > > the 1st or the 8th house, he becomes benefic. " > > > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY. > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12th lord from House B is not conducive to > > House B. > > > > > > > > > > 2) As per the above scenario, the exception is > > given where its said > > > > > that if the 8th lord i.e. 12th from 9th is > > also lagna lord or posted > > > > > in lagna then he becomes a benefic. > > > > > > > > > > Now lord of 8th and 1st can only be Mars or > > Venus and that too for > > > > > Libra and Aries lagna. So if Venus is in > > Taurus and Mars is in Sco > > > > > then they become benefic. > > > > > > > > > > So For both cases LoE is in House B for B = 8. > > So better results of > > > > > 8th house. > > > > > > > > > > Also in both cases i.e. Aries lagna and Libra > > lagna 9th and 6th > > lords > > > > > are same. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasarai says > > > > > > > > > > > > " 11. Mercury has less of this evil nature > > as compared to > > Venus; the > > > > > > Moon has much less than that of Mercury. The > > same way the Sun > > > and the > > > > > > Moon are not evil being Asthmesh (lord of > > the > === message truncated === > > > > > > > SHOUT IT OUT! Tell everyone, from anywhere, that you're online on Messenger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear members, > One time I had written a post to Dadhi about 12th house and > spirituality and took help and explained the whole thing. That might > be in the archives. Yes. That was very nice explanation Ash... Maybe also for your site... > > 6th , 8th and 12th house are not good in D charts. But now if that is > Extended to Rasi then ??? IMHO and some experience, in Rasi chart, 6th, 8th and 12th house are not so bad even in standard VA. It really depends on many factors, as you all know. But generally, we can say that these are bad houses. In D charts, again, these are not good houses, but it really depends on D chart and house. Strong 6th house in D-10 might be fantastic for one's work in some company. And, let say, generally good 8th in D-10 might give someone an oppportunity to withdraw from work and spent peaceful last days... > 10th lord in 12th house means such person can get power more easily, > so enhanced, at the same time he might not be able to manage that or > might be incapable that is also a way to look at it. So, it seems that 10th lord in 12th is actualyy not so good? > Infact 12th house is the root karak for 10th house. Its the parakram > sthan for 10th. What is root karaka? Just parakrama sthan or something else? I can not see how 12th is connected to 10th house according to KAS's ABCDE values... Please explain. ....my two cents. all the best, Dadhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 > 5) At the same time, 12th lord is going in 6th house so here 12th > house is in the black hole, so that will spoil 12th and 3rd house > results but as 12th lord is in 6th house it will enhance the result of > 6th house. > > 6) For 6th as B, 3rd becomes D so its ok. For 3rd house as B, Gemini > or 12th lord becomes LoD so again its ok. So overall 12th house will > be disturbed but the results of 6th house will get enhanced. Does it means that for 2nd and 5th houses, 12th and 3rd (spoiled) does not promise good results, as those are E houses? all the best, Dadhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Dadhi, When you say 6th 8th and 12th house are BAD what do you mean by BAD? I think if we understand that then it will be clear. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Dadhi " <Dadhi wrote: > > > Dear members, > > > One time I had written a post to Dadhi about 12th house and > > spirituality and took help and explained the whole thing. That might > > be in the archives. > > Yes. That was very nice explanation Ash... Maybe also for your site... > > > > > > 6th , 8th and 12th house are not good in D charts. But now if that is > > Extended to Rasi then ??? > > > IMHO and some experience, in Rasi chart, 6th, 8th and 12th house are not so > bad even in standard VA. It really depends on many factors, as you all know. > But generally, we can say that these are bad houses. > > In D charts, again, these are not good houses, but it really depends on D > chart and house. Strong 6th house in D-10 might be fantastic for one's work > in some company. And, let say, generally good 8th in D-10 might give someone > an oppportunity to withdraw from work and spent peaceful last days... > > > 10th lord in 12th house means such person can get power more easily, > > so enhanced, at the same time he might not be able to manage that or > > might be incapable that is also a way to look at it. > > So, it seems that 10th lord in 12th is actualyy not so good? > > > > Infact 12th house is the root karak for 10th house. Its the parakram > > sthan for 10th. > > What is root karaka? Just parakrama sthan or something else? > > I can not see how 12th is connected to 10th house according to KAS's ABCDE > values... Please explain. > > ...my two cents. > > all the best, > Dadhi > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Dadhi, Here I am talking about Cancer lagna so 3rd and 12th lords are Mercury and 9th and 6th lords are Ju. Read that in that context. 3rd lord as Me is LoD for 6th, 3rd lords as Me means for 3rd as B, Me is LoD. That is what I meant. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Dadhi " <Dadhi wrote: > > > 5) At the same time, 12th lord is going in 6th house so here 12th > > house is in the black hole, so that will spoil 12th and 3rd house > > results but as 12th lord is in 6th house it will enhance the result of > > 6th house. > > > > 6) For 6th as B, 3rd becomes D so its ok. For 3rd house as B, Gemini > > or 12th lord becomes LoD so again its ok. So overall 12th house will > > be disturbed but the results of 6th house will get enhanced. > > Does it means that for 2nd and 5th houses, 12th and 3rd (spoiled) does not > promise good results, as those are E houses? > > all the best, > Dadhi > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Ash, I have a book in sanskrit translated into hindi too " ASTAKAVARGA MAHANIBANDHA " (Secrets of ashtakavarga) , in whcih this is written as..... " The planets which are placed in 6th,8th or 12th houses in rashi chart, and in neech rasshi, shatru rashi, shubh or navansha,but in the signs getting more " rekhaas " , then these will be always beneficial " . Regards Anup ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, You are talking about Parivartan. Now lets break this up into pieces. 1) Scneario : Cancer lagna and Jupiter is in 12th house and Mercury is in 6th house. 2) So there is a parivartan. So Ju is staying in Mercury's house and Mercury is staying in Jupiters house. So each person will try to behave that is one way to see it. 3) Then both are natural enemies, so think if there are 2 people who are enemies of each other but for some reason has to go and stay in each others house. So both knowing whats at stake will not make mischief so will not spoil each others place. 4) Now, 12th house being special as its the most benefic house, it will enhance the house that Ju rules. So 6th and 9th house. 5) At the same time, 12th lord is going in 6th house so here 12th house is in the black hole, so that will spoil 12th and 3rd house results but as 12th lord is in 6th house it will enhance the result of 6th house. 6) For 6th as B, 3rd becomes D so its ok. For 3rd house as B, Gemini or 12th lord becomes LoD so again its ok. So overall 12th house will be disturbed but the results of 6th house will get enhanced. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Ramesh, > > Good question. From VA perspective 6-8-12 are bad > houses ( Yes 8 and 12 also have some positive > significations, and thats why their lords are not > considered malefic but give results by association) So > bad house lord going to another bad house is > considered good and thats why it is called VRY. There > are a few more conditions attached to it to classify > as a true VRY. > > I am not sure whether 12th lord enhancing the bhava it > goes to is KAS specific. I have not come across it in > my readings yet > > Satish > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Bala and all, > > Very nice and systematically discussion went on > > the versus of laghu parasari and that comparison > > with KAS. I think many members might have benefited > > with this valuable knowledge. > > But I would like to ask Ash, when there is an > > exchange between the lords of 6th and 12th, then > > what result should be expected. > > Here in this cas as I think the quality of 6th > > house will be enhanced . 12th lord is in 6th so 6th > > is enhanced and secondly 6th lord has gone to 12th > > so again 6th is enhanced. So 6th house lord should > > be powerful. > > But here in this case both the lords are in 1:7 > > position and thus becomes enemy to each other > > Say for example Cn lagna is there .Its 12th lord > > is Me who occupy 6th of Sg and 6th lord Ju is in > > 12th of Ge. Now here Me and Ju is in 1:7. > > Then how do we go for these two houses with > > respect to quality ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Anup, > > This has been discussed. Read Krushaji's write up in > > the archives. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear ASH, > > > > > > Can a marriage in the antra of 2nd lord be > > a happy marriage? > > > Coz as u say, this 2ND LORD ANTRA gives worry for > > no reasons:) > > > > > > Regards > > > ANUP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > " 8. Lords of the 2nd and 12th houses are powerful > > not because of > > > their own merit; they are greatly influenced in > > giving good or bad > > > results by their association or position in the > > chart. " > > > > > > AS PER KAS WE SAY > > > > > > In KAS we say that 2nd lord and antra of 2nd lord > > or its SD can cause > > > unnecessary worries for the native. > > > > > > We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it > > enhances the result of > > > that house. In addition we also say that if > > planets go to 12th house > > > of the chart then the results of house ruled by > > them is enhanced. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > " 33. If a Raja Yoga is operative in the > > Sub-period of a Yogakaraka > > > > but Maraka planet, it improves the effect of > > such a Yoga. In the same > > > > way the sub-period of a malefic promotes the > > results. " > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE CAN STUDY THE SAME AND WE SAY > > > > > > > > RAJA YOGA IS PLANET OWNING TRINE AND KENDRA AND > > IN THE SUB PERIOD OR > > > > ANTRA OF MARAK PLANET (7TH LORD) IS RUNNING THEN > > IT IMPROVES. > > > > > > > > NOW SAY 5TH LORD MD IS RUNNING SO IN KAS WE SAY > > THAT MD IS RELATED TO > > > > STATUS. NOW SAY CANCER LAGNA IS THERE AND MARS > > RULES 5TH AND 10TH > > > > HOUSE AND MD OR MARS IS RUNNING. INSIDE THAT > > ANTRA OF SATURN IS > > > > RUNNING WHO IS MARAK PLANET I.E. 7TH LORD, SO AS > > PER ABOVE TEXT ITS > > > > SAID THAT THE EFFECT OF SUCH A YOGA WILL BE > > IMPROVED. > > > > > > > > SO MD RELATED TO 5TH HOUSE AND BEING LORD OF > > 10TH SO KARAK FOR 3RD AND > > > > AT THE SAME TIME LOD MEANS 10TH FROM 10TH LORDS > > ANTRA IS RUNNING AND > > > > AT SAME TIME ITS ALSO 8TH LORD SO LOD FOR 11TH > > SO OFCOUSE THINGS WILL > > > > BECOME MORE BETTER. THIS WE ARE CONSIDERING IN > > KAS USING OUR LAWS. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > NEXT POINT ITS SAID ABOVE THAT SUB PERIOD OF > > MALEFICS PROMOTES THE > > > > RESULTS SO HERE WE ALSO SAY, THAT MALEFIC > > PLANETS ASPECT WITH BENEFIC > > > > SIGHT SO FOR MARS AND SATURN WHO ARE NATURAL > > MALEFICS IF THEY ARE > > > > MOSTLY WITH LESS THAN 3 BINDUS SO THEY WILL BAD > > FOR 1 HOUSE AT THE > > > > SAME TIME THEY WILL ASPECT BENEFICALLY TO 3 > > HOUSES INCRESING THEIR > > > > POWER. > > > > > > > > SO AS PER KAS WE ALSO SAY THAT ITS BETTER TO > > HAVE PLANETS IN NEECHA > > > > SIGN AND WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS RELATIVELY > > SPEAKING SO THAT 3 PLANETS > > > > JU MA AND SA HAVE 3 ASPECTS EACH AND THEY WILL > > INCREASE THE POINTWS OF > > > > THE 3 HOUSE THEY ASPECT. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > > > " 9. Lord of the 8th house (Randhresh) by > > virtue of being the 12th > > > > > (Vyayesh) from the 9th (Bhagyesha) does not > > produce good > > results; but > > > > > if he happens to be the lord of the > > Ascendant/Ascendant and occupies > > > > > the 1st or the 8th house, he becomes benefic. " > > > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY. > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12th lord from House B is not conducive to > > House B. > > > > > > > > > > 2) As per the above scenario, the exception is > > given where its said > > > > > that if the 8th lord i.e. 12th from 9th is > > also lagna lord or posted > > > > > in lagna then he becomes a benefic. > > > > > > > > > > Now lord of 8th and 1st can only be Mars or > > Venus and that too for > > > > > Libra and Aries lagna. So if Venus is in > > Taurus and Mars is in Sco > > > > > then they become benefic. > > > > > > > > > > So For both cases LoE is in House B for B = 8. > > So better results of > > > > > 8th house. > > > > > > > > > > Also in both cases i.e. Aries lagna and Libra > > lagna 9th and 6th > > lords > > > > > are same. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasarai says > > > > > > > > > > > > " 11. Mercury has less of this evil nature > > as compared to > > Venus; the > > > > > > Moon has much less than that of Mercury. The > > same way the Sun > > > and the > > > > > > Moon are not evil being Asthmesh (lord of > > the > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Yes, right. Here enhancement is in quality. Timing of events is from WS. So say if lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8 or 2:12 or sometimes in 3:11 also can go either way and at same time points are low in WS or touched by 6th lord then also there might be hellish, but that does not mean that the wife is not good or husband is not good either. They might have difference of opinion and if in case say lagna points are high in both charts then there might be lots of problems and for divroce again, the laws must be there. So 7th lord in 12th means lord of 7th is in upachya. Upachaya means house of growth, prosperity so how we can call that bad? Infact status of 7th house is enhanced. Now, such a person will get a nice wife (provided other factors are there) but now... if the person himself is a jerk then what to do? Lagna lord is in 12th means status of 1st house is enhanced but as Karak for 6th house its loosing status. Krushnaji once explained it nicely and told me to think of it like " Thanader ka saala " lol..... (English translation : brother in law of a high positioned police officer) So here, we mean QUALITY of the house is enhanced. Say 12th lord is in 4th house so the RESULTS (QUALITY) of 4th house will be enjoyed by the native. Now, say a person has mars giving 0 power in 4th house so such a person might have problems in owning property cars homes etc, but he might enjoy vehicle maybe its company owned and might be staying in a company provided flat with all amenities and might also be provided with a chauffeur drive car so on one hand you are timing event and other hand u are seeing RESULT of the house. Not to confuse this with Timing of event. Please understand this. As per Ramesh's example, the husband and wife have problems in marriage but both are enjoying marital life as well. The wife maybe good and the husband may be good as well but maybe both don't see eye to eye. Hydrogen burns , oxygen helps burn but water extinguishes fire :-) (Chart matching) Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Satish, > This has to be checked in many charts. As per my verification I have found it ok to some extent but not fully. > As for example one native was born with Leo lagna whose lord is in 12th combined with Sa and Me. > Now Sa is 6th and 7th lord here so Sa being in 12th should enhance the result of 6th and 7th. It means their married life should be enhanced. > I know this family very close to us.Their family life is hell.But positive point is that they do not seek divorce or do not live separately > Me being 2nd and 11th lord should give better finance due to enhancing 2nd and 11th house. In fact he is just pulling on somehow with the financial condition.We can say it satisfactory financial condition. > Su being lagna lord he occasionally , once in a blue moon falls sick.Status is also not up to the standard. > So likewise there are many examples. > Earlier I was not noticing these aspects but now a days after reading KAS lessons I started noticing it. > Ramesh Mishra > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Ramesh, > > Good question. From VA perspective 6-8-12 are bad > houses ( Yes 8 and 12 also have some positive > significations, and thats why their lords are not > considered malefic but give results by association) So > bad house lord going to another bad house is > considered good and thats why it is called VRY. There > are a few more conditions attached to it to classify > as a true VRY. > > I am not sure whether 12th lord enhancing the bhava it > goes to is KAS specific. I have not come across it in > my readings yet > > Satish > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Bala and all, > > Very nice and systematically discussion went on > > the versus of laghu parasari and that comparison > > with KAS. I think many members might have benefited > > with this valuable knowledge. > > But I would like to ask Ash, when there is an > > exchange between the lords of 6th and 12th, then > > what result should be expected. > > Here in this cas as I think the quality of 6th > > house will be enhanced . 12th lord is in 6th so 6th > > is enhanced and secondly 6th lord has gone to 12th > > so again 6th is enhanced. So 6th house lord should > > be powerful. > > But here in this case both the lords are in 1:7 > > position and thus becomes enemy to each other > > Say for example Cn lagna is there .Its 12th lord > > is Me who occupy 6th of Sg and 6th lord Ju is in > > 12th of Ge. Now here Me and Ju is in 1:7. > > Then how do we go for these two houses with > > respect to quality ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Anup, > > This has been discussed. Read Krushaji's write up in > > the archives. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear ASH, > > > > > > Can a marriage in the antra of 2nd lord be > > a happy marriage? > > > Coz as u say, this 2ND LORD ANTRA gives worry for > > no reasons:) > > > > > > Regards > > > ANUP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > " 8. Lords of the 2nd and 12th houses are powerful > > not because of > > > their own merit; they are greatly influenced in > > giving good or bad > > > results by their association or position in the > > chart. " > > > > > > AS PER KAS WE SAY > > > > > > In KAS we say that 2nd lord and antra of 2nd lord > > or its SD can cause > > > unnecessary worries for the native. > > > > > > We say that 12th lord where he goes and sits it > > enhances the result of > > > that house. In addition we also say that if > > planets go to 12th house > > > of the chart then the results of house ruled by > > them is enhanced. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > " 33. If a Raja Yoga is operative in the > > Sub-period of a Yogakaraka > > > > but Maraka planet, it improves the effect of > > such a Yoga. In the same > > > > way the sub-period of a malefic promotes the > > results. " > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE CAN STUDY THE SAME AND WE SAY > > > > > > > > RAJA YOGA IS PLANET OWNING TRINE AND KENDRA AND > > IN THE SUB PERIOD OR > > > > ANTRA OF MARAK PLANET (7TH LORD) IS RUNNING THEN > > IT IMPROVES. > > > > > > > > NOW SAY 5TH LORD MD IS RUNNING SO IN KAS WE SAY > > THAT MD IS RELATED TO > > > > STATUS. NOW SAY CANCER LAGNA IS THERE AND MARS > > RULES 5TH AND 10TH > > > > HOUSE AND MD OR MARS IS RUNNING. INSIDE THAT > > ANTRA OF SATURN IS > > > > RUNNING WHO IS MARAK PLANET I.E. 7TH LORD, SO AS > > PER ABOVE TEXT ITS > > > > SAID THAT THE EFFECT OF SUCH A YOGA WILL BE > > IMPROVED. > > > > > > > > SO MD RELATED TO 5TH HOUSE AND BEING LORD OF > > 10TH SO KARAK FOR 3RD AND > > > > AT THE SAME TIME LOD MEANS 10TH FROM 10TH LORDS > > ANTRA IS RUNNING AND > > > > AT SAME TIME ITS ALSO 8TH LORD SO LOD FOR 11TH > > SO OFCOUSE THINGS WILL > > > > BECOME MORE BETTER. THIS WE ARE CONSIDERING IN > > KAS USING OUR LAWS. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > NEXT POINT ITS SAID ABOVE THAT SUB PERIOD OF > > MALEFICS PROMOTES THE > > > > RESULTS SO HERE WE ALSO SAY, THAT MALEFIC > > PLANETS ASPECT WITH BENEFIC > > > > SIGHT SO FOR MARS AND SATURN WHO ARE NATURAL > > MALEFICS IF THEY ARE > > > > MOSTLY WITH LESS THAN 3 BINDUS SO THEY WILL BAD > > FOR 1 HOUSE AT THE > > > > SAME TIME THEY WILL ASPECT BENEFICALLY TO 3 > > HOUSES INCRESING THEIR > > > > POWER. > > > > > > > > SO AS PER KAS WE ALSO SAY THAT ITS BETTER TO > > HAVE PLANETS IN NEECHA > > > > SIGN AND WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS RELATIVELY > > SPEAKING SO THAT 3 PLANETS > > > > JU MA AND SA HAVE 3 ASPECTS EACH AND THEY WILL > > INCREASE THE POINTWS OF > > > > THE 3 HOUSE THEY ASPECT. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasari says > > > > > > > > > > " 9. Lord of the 8th house (Randhresh) by > > virtue of being the 12th > > > > > (Vyayesh) from the 9th (Bhagyesha) does not > > produce good > > results; but > > > > > if he happens to be the lord of the > > Ascendant/Ascendant and occupies > > > > > the 1st or the 8th house, he becomes benefic. " > > > > > > > > > > IN KAS WE SAY. > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12th lord from House B is not conducive to > > House B. > > > > > > > > > > 2) As per the above scenario, the exception is > > given where its said > > > > > that if the 8th lord i.e. 12th from 9th is > > also lagna lord or posted > > > > > in lagna then he becomes a benefic. > > > > > > > > > > Now lord of 8th and 1st can only be Mars or > > Venus and that too for > > > > > Libra and Aries lagna. So if Venus is in > > Taurus and Mars is in Sco > > > > > then they become benefic. > > > > > > > > > > So For both cases LoE is in House B for B = 8. > > So better results of > > > > > 8th house. > > > > > > > > > > Also in both cases i.e. Aries lagna and Libra > > lagna 9th and 6th > > lords > > > > > are same. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Laghu Parasarai says > > > > > > > > > > > > " 11. Mercury has less of this evil nature > > as compared to > > Venus; the > > > > > > Moon has much less than that of Mercury. The > > same way the Sun > > > and the > > > > > > Moon are not evil being Asthmesh (lord of > > the > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > SHOUT IT OUT! Tell everyone, from anywhere, that you're online on Messenger > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Dadhi, Can you give me the message number or print the post here so that I can upload that to my site. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Dadhi " <Dadhi wrote: > > > Dear members, > > > One time I had written a post to Dadhi about 12th house and > > spirituality and took help and explained the whole thing. That might > > be in the archives. > > Yes. That was very nice explanation Ash... Maybe also for your site... > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Ramesh, yes there are many such verses and to make a stremlined sense out of these is a herculean task. There was a verse that one of old time astrologer used to use in practice The verse went like " Yad bhavaat trike papah.... " The translation was " Any bhava that has papa graha in trik houses to it ( 6-8-12 from it) it destroys that bhava. So for seventh house if you have malefics( natural maefics..shani-mangal-rahu..)in 2nd or 12th or 6th it will destroy significations of 7th. I have seen it many times to be true. Satish --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Satish, > This has to be checked in many charts. As per my > verification I have found it ok to some extent but > not fully. > As for example one native was born with Leo lagna > whose lord is in 12th combined with Sa and Me. > Now Sa is 6th and 7th lord here so Sa being in > 12th should enhance the result of 6th and 7th. It > means their married life should be enhanced. > I know this family very close to us.Their family > life is hell.But positive point is that they do not > seek divorce or do not live separately > Me being 2nd and 11th lord should give better > finance due to enhancing 2nd and 11th house. In fact > he is just pulling on somehow with the financial > condition.We can say it satisfactory financial > condition. > Su being lagna lord he occasionally , once in a > blue moon falls sick.Status is also not up to the > standard. > So likewise there are many examples. > Earlier I was not noticing these aspects but now a > days after reading KAS lessons I started noticing > it. > Ramesh Mishra Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Satish, When the natural malefics have been considered then are their any exceptions to this rule or is this hard and fast rule. 6th house from any house would be upachaya sthan for that house. How it can be bad for that house? 3, 6, 10 and 11th house from any house is the house of growth, heap and prosperity of that house then how can planets in 12th house i.e. 6th house from 7th be bad for 7th. I think its given in classics also that malefics are good in upachaya sthan. So there is a contradiction here. Yes, now we have to study in what context that the astrologer has used that. Say, if you are studying accident, then planets in House D or E are eager to give results of 7th now at the same time if the planet is malefic (be it so ma, sa or ra if its sd to malefic planets w.r.t ws) so in that case it will be eager and might give accident. Ra might in some cases represent 1st and 5th lord as well so that accident might lead to death as well. Now Ma and Sa GENERALLY have less than 4 bindus in their SAV but the WS is imporant as u can see total and combined effect of all the planets, 4:10 relation, aspects and 6th lord deductions. So if there is a malefic and particularly ma or sa as they are natural malefic as well and if they have less than 4 bindus AND if they have less power in the WS for 7th then it can give problems w.r.t 7th house. It might give accident or some malefic results of 7th house. But at the same time, it will enhance the result of the house it rules. So, actually, when we talk of VA portion then all contras must also be spelled out otherwise, if I am using Ashtakavarg then I am considering all planets in relation to each other and if one is using VA then they are using a single factor but not giving relation with other planets or their exceptions so then it becomes hard to discuss, because as per General VA there are so many exceptions and conditions that can negate malefic effects. So we need to be more specific. Unless there is a law that is hard and fast and that says that " anyone that has malefics in 6th, 12th and 8th from a house, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, the house will get destroyed " otherwise if there are exceptions then that must be spelled out as well. I don't know if I am making sense? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Ramesh, > > yes there are many such verses and to make a > stremlined sense out of these is a herculean task. > There was a verse that one of old time astrologer used > to use in practice > > The verse went like " Yad bhavaat trike papah.... " The > translation was " Any bhava that has papa graha in > trik houses to it ( 6-8-12 from it) it destroys that > bhava. So for seventh house if you have malefics( > natural maefics..shani-mangal-rahu..)in 2nd or 12th or > 6th it will destroy significations of 7th. I have seen > it many times to be true. > > Satish > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: > > > Satish, > > This has to be checked in many charts. As per my > > verification I have found it ok to some extent but > > not fully. > > As for example one native was born with Leo lagna > > whose lord is in 12th combined with Sa and Me. > > Now Sa is 6th and 7th lord here so Sa being in > > 12th should enhance the result of 6th and 7th. It > > means their married life should be enhanced. > > I know this family very close to us.Their family > > life is hell.But positive point is that they do not > > seek divorce or do not live separately > > Me being 2nd and 11th lord should give better > > finance due to enhancing 2nd and 11th house. In fact > > he is just pulling on somehow with the financial > > condition.We can say it satisfactory financial > > condition. > > Su being lagna lord he occasionally , once in a > > blue moon falls sick.Status is also not up to the > > standard. > > So likewise there are many examples. > > Earlier I was not noticing these aspects but now a > > days after reading KAS lessons I started noticing > > it. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Ash, Do not know whether there are exceptions or where the shloka comes from. Levae aside 6th house for the moment. Lets examine 8th and 12th from a house. Now 8th from a house is its karakatwta from KAS so a malefic there( natural) will destroy the karakatwa or house A. Now whether it happens only for natural malefics or binduwise malefics, one may have to look at many charts. 12 th from a bhava has malefic it affects the bhava, is it true always or is this used if the lord of bhava is in 12th from it..not sure. Now coming to the 6th house, yes, 6th house from a house is upachaya and malefic there should harm the growth of that house. Now the gist is are they talking about natural malefics or binduwise malefics ..we must explore Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > When the natural malefics have been considered then > are their any > exceptions to this rule or is this hard and fast > rule. > > 6th house from any house would be upachaya sthan for > that house. How > it can be bad for that house? > > 3, 6, 10 and 11th house from any house is the house > of growth, heap > and prosperity of that house then how can planets in > 12th house i.e. > 6th house from 7th be bad for 7th. > > I think its given in classics also that malefics are > good in upachaya > sthan. > > So there is a contradiction here. > > Yes, now we have to study in what context that the > astrologer has used > that. > > Say, if you are studying accident, then planets in > House D or E are > eager to give results of 7th now at the same time if > the planet is > malefic (be it so ma, sa or ra if its sd to malefic > planets w.r.t ws) > so in that case it will be eager and might give > accident. > > Ra might in some cases represent 1st and 5th lord as > well so that > accident might lead to death as well. > > Now Ma and Sa GENERALLY have less than 4 bindus in > their SAV but the > WS is imporant as u can see total and combined > effect of all the > planets, 4:10 relation, aspects and 6th lord > deductions. > > So if there is a malefic and particularly ma or sa > as they are natural > malefic as well and if they have less than 4 bindus > AND if they have > less power in the WS for 7th then it can give > problems w.r.t 7th > house. It might give accident or some malefic > results of 7th house. > > But at the same time, it will enhance the result of > the house it rules. > > So, actually, when we talk of VA portion then all > contras must also be > spelled out otherwise, if I am using Ashtakavarg > then I am considering > all planets in relation to each other and if one is > using VA then they > are using a single factor but not giving relation > with other planets > or their exceptions so then it becomes hard to > discuss, because as per > General VA there are so many exceptions and > conditions that can negate > malefic effects. > > So we need to be more specific. > > Unless there is a law that is hard and fast and that > says that " anyone > that has malefics in 6th, 12th and 8th from a house, > WITHOUT > EXCEPTION, the house will get destroyed " otherwise > if there are > exceptions then that must be spelled out as well. > > I don't know if I am making sense? > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Ramesh, > > > > yes there are many such verses and to make a > > stremlined sense out of these is a herculean task. > > There was a verse that one of old time astrologer > used > > to use in practice > > > > The verse went like " Yad bhavaat trike papah.... " > The > > translation was " Any bhava that has papa graha in > > trik houses to it ( 6-8-12 from it) it destroys > that > > bhava. So for seventh house if you have malefics( > > natural maefics..shani-mangal-rahu..)in 2nd or > 12th or > > 6th it will destroy significations of 7th. I have > seen > > it many times to be true. > > > > Satish > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > > wrote: > > > > > Satish, > > > This has to be checked in many charts. As per > my > > > verification I have found it ok to some extent > but > > > not fully. > > > As for example one native was born with Leo > lagna > > > whose lord is in 12th combined with Sa and Me. > > > Now Sa is 6th and 7th lord here so Sa being in > > > 12th should enhance the result of 6th and 7th. > It > > > means their married life should be enhanced. > > > I know this family very close to us.Their > family > > > life is hell.But positive point is that they do > not > > > seek divorce or do not live separately > > > Me being 2nd and 11th lord should give better > > > finance due to enhancing 2nd and 11th house. In > fact > > > he is just pulling on somehow with the financial > > > condition.We can say it satisfactory financial > > > condition. > > > Su being lagna lord he occasionally , once in > a > > > blue moon falls sick.Status is also not up to > the > > > standard. > > > So likewise there are many examples. > > > Earlier I was not noticing these aspects but > now a > > > days after reading KAS lessons I started > noticing > > > it. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Ash, How does malefics in 3 6 11 are good, jive with that they are upachaya houses. How to resolve this discrepancy ? Satish --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Do not know whether there are exceptions or where > the > shloka comes from. Levae aside 6th house for the > moment. Lets examine 8th and 12th from a house. Now > 8th from a house is its karakatwta from KAS so a > malefic there( natural) will destroy the karakatwa > or > house A. Now whether it happens only for natural > malefics or binduwise malefics, one may have to look > at many charts. 12 th from a bhava has malefic it > affects the bhava, is it true always or is this used > if the lord of bhava is in 12th from it..not sure. > > Now coming to the 6th house, yes, 6th house from a > house is upachaya and malefic there should harm the > growth of that house. Now the gist is are they > talking > about natural malefics or binduwise malefics ..we > must > explore > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Satish, Krushanji had asked this question when the group started and he also said that if a person finds the answer to those question will have understood the core of Ashtakavarg and Vedic Astrology. Here are some interesting mails from the archives. You can read all the discussion w.r.t that thread, its really very interesting. The Question is asked by Krushnaji in message 319. /message/319 /message/331 /message/342 Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > How does malefics in 3 6 11 are good, jive with that > they are upachaya houses. How to resolve this > discrepancy ? > > Satish > --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Do not know whether there are exceptions or where > > the > > shloka comes from. Levae aside 6th house for the > > moment. Lets examine 8th and 12th from a house. Now > > 8th from a house is its karakatwta from KAS so a > > malefic there( natural) will destroy the karakatwa > > or > > house A. Now whether it happens only for natural > > malefics or binduwise malefics, one may have to look > > at many charts. 12 th from a bhava has malefic it > > affects the bhava, is it true always or is this used > > if the lord of bhava is in 12th from it..not sure. > > > > Now coming to the 6th house, yes, 6th house from a > > house is upachaya and malefic there should harm the > > growth of that house. Now the gist is are they > > talking > > about natural malefics or binduwise malefics ..we > > must > > explore > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
