High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit

[Guest guest]

Imagine a conversation between http://www.treeoflife.nu/tolhp1.html

Dr. Gabriel Cousens, MD,

MD (H) (http://www.treeoflife.nu/tolhp1.html ) and Dr. Douglas

Graham, DC (http://www.doctorgraham.cc/).

 

Dr. Cousens recommends eating very little fruit in one's diet,

suggesting evidence that this is the cause of many degenerative

diseases. Dr. Graham counters this by saying fat is actually the

culprit in illnesses like hypoglycemia, because it prevents sugar

from being carried out through arterial walls. Both seem to have a

lot of experience both personally and professionally. Both appear

very knowledgable on the workings of the human body. Further, Dr.

Cousens demands that supplementation is absolutely necessary, while

Dr. Graham disagrees. One question for Dr. Graham might regard the

b12 issue.

 

This difference of opinion also goes beyond the basic knowledge that

different diets work for different people. It is widely agreed by

most professionals I have encountered that one should, in the end,

listen only to one's own body.

 

However, the issue here delves into specifics about how certain

foods (eg. unrefined sea salt, flax oil, avacados, etc.) affect the

human body. And it isnt just between these two doctors. There are

many schools of thought even within the raw food community.

Everything from eating raw meat to eating all fruit. From suggesting

optimal health is impossible without supplements to saying optimal

health is impossible with supplements.

 

I dont think any of us will come up with the " right " answer here.

However, it would be an interesting conversation to see between

these two.

[Guest guest]

It's true there are so many varying opinions. Yet another one from Virginia

Vetrano. In her book Errors in Hygiene she cites many problems that fruitarians

run into. She cites many case histories. It is quite interesting because a lot

of the problems seem to stem from lack of protein. And surprisingly a couple of

ounces of nuts a day, can reverse many problems. " She says have no fear of nuts.

You should not fear eating a slight excess of nut or seed proteins. They are

not damaging like animal proteins. They contain more minerals and do not cause

the leaching of calcium. In fact they supply us with calcium, phosphorous and

magnesium, as well as the proteins, and all in correct proportions to form bone.

" Her book is a very interesting read, and with her background and work in the

" raw movement " , I find a lot of credibility in what she writes.

Vegigran

 

 

 

Dr. Cousens recommends eating very little fruit in one's diet,

suggesting evidence that this is the cause of many degenerative

diseases. Dr. Graham counters this by saying fat is actually the

culprit in illnesses like hypoglycemia, because it prevents sugar

from being carried out through arterial walls. Both seem to have a

lot of experience both personally and professionally. Both appear

very knowledgable on the workings of the human body. Further, Dr.

Cousens demands that supplementation is absolutely necessary, while

Dr. Graham disagrees. One question for Dr. Graham might regard the

b12 issue.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

so many articles on 'don't buy into the protein myth' that are

basically saying you can get all your protein from fruits and veg alone

now this saying there are protein deficiencies

 

some would say that is impossible

 

I wish I had access to a full on lab where I could run tests on my self

or other will volunteers. I'd like to get people that believe in all

the different things like high fat, no/low fat, differing protein

levels and run tests

 

 

are there ways to test for protein deficiencies?

 

 

On Dec 20, 2004, at 7:22 PM, Vegigran wrote:

 

>

> It's true there are so many varying opinions. Yet another one from

> Virginia Vetrano. In her book Errors in Hygiene she cites many

> problems that fruitarians run into. She cites many case histories.

> It is quite interesting because a lot of the problems seem to stem

> from lack of protein. And surprisingly a couple of ounces of nuts a

> day, can reverse many problems. " She says have no fear of nuts. You

> should not fear eating a slight excess of nut or seed proteins. They

> are not damaging like animal proteins. They contain more minerals and

> do not cause the leaching of calcium. In fact they supply us with

> calcium, phosphorous and magnesium, as well as the proteins, and all

> in correct proportions to form bone. " Her book is a very interesting

> read, and with her background and work in the " raw movement " , I find a

> lot of credibility in what she writes.

> Vegigran

>

>

>

> Dr. Cousens recommends eating very little fruit in one's diet,

> suggesting evidence that this is the cause of many degenerative

> diseases. Dr. Graham counters this by saying fat is actually the

> culprit in illnesses like hypoglycemia, because it prevents sugar

> from being carried out through arterial walls. Both seem to have a

> lot of experience both personally and professionally. Both appear

> very knowledgable on the workings of the human body. Further, Dr.

> Cousens demands that supplementation is absolutely necessary, while

> Dr. Graham disagrees. One question for Dr. Graham might regard the

> b12 issue.

>

[Guest guest]

<<<<I'd like to get people that believe in all

the different things like high fat, no/low fat, differing protein levels and run

tests are there ways to test for protein deficiencies?>>>>>

 

John, I'm sure there are. I've been a vegetarian for twenty years and slowly

worked my way up to raw for the past four years. One complaint that I see a lot

of people on raw and high fruit is the loss of enamel on their teeth. I've

always had great teeth, so never was concerned about it. But a few months ago, I

started noticing enamel loss and sensitivity on my front teeth. Makes me wonder

when I was on the SAD, my teeth were great and now with the vegan something is

not right. Virginia Vetrano states it's the lack of protein and cites examples

of it. Maybe we do need more protein than we think. We are probably using more

protein cleaning up after these previous lifestyles. Who knows, but we should

take heed when those doing the vegan raw foods start telling of their health

declines and problems.

Vegigran

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't have problems with my teeth when I stay away from simple

sugar(s). A raw vegan diet leaves lots of room for things that will

leach the calcium out of your teeth. Vegetable fat will do it, for

example, if you eat enough to throw your body into negative mineral

balance. Coffee, " Diet food " and sugar substitutes will do it.

Diet cokes will do it, big time. Any acidic food will do it. Lots

of pineapple, oranges and citrus fruits will do it!

 

Ron

 

 

rawfood , " Vegigran " <vegigran@h...> wrote:

> <<<<I'd like to get people that believe in all

> the different things like high fat, no/low fat, differing protein

levels and run tests are there ways to test for protein deficiencies?

>>>>>

>

> John, I'm sure there are. I've been a vegetarian for twenty

years and slowly worked my way up to raw for the past four years.

One complaint that I see a lot of people on raw and high fruit is

the loss of enamel on their teeth. I've always had great teeth, so

never was concerned about it. But a few months ago, I started

noticing enamel loss and sensitivity on my front teeth. Makes me

wonder when I was on the SAD, my teeth were great and now with the

vegan something is not right. Virginia Vetrano states it's the lack

of protein and cites examples of it. Maybe we do need more protein

than we think. We are probably using more protein cleaning up after

these previous lifestyles. Who knows, but we should take heed when

those doing the vegan raw foods start telling of their health

declines and problems.

> Vegigran

 

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear about that, Vegigran; would you mind sharing with us what your

basic diet is like?

 

Thanks...Valerie

 

Vegigran <vegigran wrote:

<<<<I'd like to get people that believe in all

the different things like high fat, no/low fat, differing protein levels and run

tests are there ways to test for protein deficiencies?>>>>>

 

John, I'm sure there are. I've been a vegetarian for twenty years and slowly

worked my way up to raw for the past four years. One complaint that I see a lot

of people on raw and high fruit is the loss of enamel on their teeth. I've

always had great teeth, so never was concerned about it. But a few months ago, I

started noticing enamel loss and sensitivity on my front teeth. Makes me wonder

when I was on the SAD, my teeth were great and now with the vegan something is

not right. Virginia Vetrano states it's the lack of protein and cites examples

of it. Maybe we do need more protein than we think. We are probably using more

protein cleaning up after these previous lifestyles. Who knows, but we should

take heed when those doing the vegan raw foods start telling of their health

declines and problems.

Vegigran

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

<<<<<Vegigran; would you mind sharing with us what your basic diet is like?>>>>>

 

Simple, very simple. I love fruit smoothies and eat just about all kinds of

fruits. To get enough minerals I also add greens to my fruit smoothies and then

have a salad every night. I do eat baked potatoes and squash and steam my

veggies some of the time with my evening meal. I try to go 100%, but am just

not satisfied, get weak and lose weight. This summer is when I tried going

80/10/10 like Dr Graham recommends and shortly thereafter noticed the enamel

loss on my teeth. So I have read up as much as I can and listened to others.

Added 2 ounces of nuts/seeds to my daily diet, brush teeth with soap and avoid

glicerine. Eating a lot of calcium foods. I have much more energy when I add

more protein to my diet and do not feel quite so tired.

Vegigran

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

<<<<<I don't have problems with my teeth when I stay away from simple

sugar(s). A raw vegan diet leaves lots of room for things that will

leach the calcium out of your teeth. Vegetable fat will do it, for

example, if you eat enough to throw your body into negative mineral

balance. Coffee, " Diet food " and sugar substitutes will do it.

Diet cokes will do it, big time. Any acidic food will do it. Lots

of pineapple, oranges and citrus fruits will do it!

 

Hi Ron, I am really surprised because I eat so many greens. Never did drink

coffee or soft drinks. But well I do eat lots of pineapples, oranges and citrus

fruits, and I was always careful to rinse afterwards. You would think that

fruit being the ideal food for humans, would not cause any problems.

Thanks,

Vegigran

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Vegigran <vegigran wrote:<<<<<I don't have problems with my teeth

when I stay away from simple

sugar(s). A raw vegan diet leaves lots of room for things that will

leach the calcium out of your teeth. Vegetable fat will do it, for

example, if you eat enough to throw your body into negative mineral

balance. Coffee, " Diet food " and sugar substitutes will do it.

Diet cokes will do it, big time. Any acidic food will do it. Lots

of pineapple, oranges and citrus fruits will do it!

 

Hi Ron, I am really surprised because I eat so many greens. Never did drink

coffee or soft drinks. But well I do eat lots of pineapples, oranges and citrus

fruits, and I was always careful to rinse afterwards. You would think that

fruit being the ideal food for humans, would not cause any problems.

Thanks,

Vegigran

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

As I understand it, the problem is not the action of the acid

directly on your teeth. The problem is that when it gets to your

blood and changes the pH of your blood, then your body has to do

something to bring the pH back down to the level that your body

requires.

 

The only way your body can do this is by taking calcium and other

alkaline minerals out of your bones (which causes osteoporosis)

and/or out of your teeth, which may be the problem you are

complaining about.

 

The solution is less citrus fruit and more veggies.

 

Ron

 

 

Arawfood , " Vegigran " <vegigran@h...> wrote:

> <<<<<I don't have problems with my teeth when I stay away from

simple

> sugar(s). A raw vegan diet leaves lots of room for things that

will

> leach the calcium out of your teeth. Vegetable fat will do it,

for

> example, if you eat enough to throw your body into negative

mineral

> balance. Coffee, " Diet food " and sugar substitutes will do it.

> Diet cokes will do it, big time. Any acidic food will do it.

Lots

> of pineapple, oranges and citrus fruits will do it!

>

> Hi Ron, I am really surprised because I eat so many greens.

Never did drink coffee or soft drinks. But well I do eat lots of

pineapples, oranges and citrus fruits, and I was always careful to

rinse afterwards. You would think that fruit being the ideal food

for humans, would not cause any problems.

> Thanks,

> Vegigran

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Vegigran,

 

Thanks so much for taking time to respond to my question.

 

A couple of things stood out to me: First, you said the enamel loss appeared

shortly after trying the 80/10/10 program. My understanding is that enamel loss

occurs over a period of time, and is more likely to be a result of something

else unrelated to attempting the all raw diet. Also, concerning fatigue, one

thing I've come across is low calorie intake. It takes eating a lot of fruit to

balance out our calorie needs once we've stabilized in other ways.

 

I also have found myself wondering what kind of impact things like distilled

water, etc., have on our teeth. When we go from a totally SAD way of life to

another, especially when we 've been SAD for 45 years or more, our body have a

harder time re-adjusting to the switch in nutrients. Absolutely NO proof of any

of that,just wondering.

 

Oh, and one more thing--I've read that part of the calcium problem may be lack

of exposure to sunshine on a regular basis. I know I've sung this song before

(sorry, folks!), but our body responds to everything we do, exercise, rest,

etc., in order to provide our body with what it needs.

 

Speaking of rest, I think I better head toward bed....good night everyone!

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

Vegigran <vegigran wrote:

<<<<<Vegigran; would you mind sharing with us what your basic diet is like?>>>>>

 

Simple, very simple. I love fruit smoothies and eat just about all kinds of

fruits. To get enough minerals I also add greens to my fruit smoothies and then

have a salad every night. I do eat baked potatoes and squash and steam my

veggies some of the time with my evening meal. I try to go 100%, but am just

not satisfied, get weak and lose weight. This summer is when I tried going

80/10/10 like Dr Graham recommends and shortly thereafter noticed the enamel

loss on my teeth. So I have read up as much as I can and listened to others.

Added 2 ounces of nuts/seeds to my daily diet, brush teeth with soap and avoid

glicerine. Eating a lot of calcium foods. I have much more energy when I add

more protein to my diet and do not feel quite so tired.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Valerie,

I agree absolutely with what you say. It's hard to pin point any one thing

because so many things like previous diet, lifestyle, environment, age, genes,

all have an impact on the state of our health. One thing that seems to go hand

in hand with the loss of teeth enamel is the loss of hair. Well I have a very

thick head of hair and very little gray (about 3-5%) for my age. So how can you

figure. What works for one person does not always work or hold true for the

next. Our bodies are all in differing states of health and must be treated as

so. There is just not one size fits all when it comes to improving our

lifestyles. We must all work at our own pace and find what will work for us.

Thanks,

Vegigran

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

<<<<<The only way your body can do this is by taking calcium and other

alkaline minerals out of your bones (which causes osteoporosis)

and/or out of your teeth, which may be the problem you are

complaining about.

The solution is less citrus fruit and more veggies.>>>>

Ron, That is my concern as I know this is how the blood alkalizes it's self

and getting older I don't want to face osteoporosis. It was my understanding

that even though citrus fruits are acid, they are still alkaline in the blood.

Thanks,

Vegigran

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I wonder about this idea of going out in the sun. Because I have developed skin

cancer, I have been told to stay out of the sun. Could some of you more

experienced folks enlighten me. Thanks , Lane

-

Valerie Mills Daly

rawfood

Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:42 PM

Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit

 

 

Hi, Vegigran,

 

Thanks so much for taking time to respond to my question.

 

A couple of things stood out to me: First, you said the enamel loss appeared

shortly after trying the 80/10/10 program. My understanding is that enamel loss

occurs over a period of time, and is more likely to be a result of something

else unrelated to attempting the all raw diet. Also, concerning fatigue, one

thing I've come across is low calorie intake. It takes eating a lot of fruit to

balance out our calorie needs once we've stabilized in other ways.

 

I also have found myself wondering what kind of impact things like distilled

water, etc., have on our teeth. When we go from a totally SAD way of life to

another, especially when we 've been SAD for 45 years or more, our body have a

harder time re-adjusting to the switch in nutrients. Absolutely NO proof of any

of that,just wondering.

 

Oh, and one more thing--I've read that part of the calcium problem may be lack

of exposure to sunshine on a regular basis. I know I've sung this song before

(sorry, folks!), but our body responds to everything we do, exercise, rest,

etc., in order to provide our body with what it needs.

 

Speaking of rest, I think I better head toward bed....good night everyone!

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

Vegigran <vegigran wrote:

<<<<<Vegigran; would you mind sharing with us what your basic diet is

like?>>>>>

 

Simple, very simple. I love fruit smoothies and eat just about all kinds of

fruits. To get enough minerals I also add greens to my fruit smoothies and then

have a salad every night. I do eat baked potatoes and squash and steam my

veggies some of the time with my evening meal. I try to go 100%, but am just

not satisfied, get weak and lose weight. This summer is when I tried going

80/10/10 like Dr Graham recommends and shortly thereafter noticed the enamel

loss on my teeth. So I have read up as much as I can and listened to others.

Added 2 ounces of nuts/seeds to my daily diet, brush teeth with soap and avoid

glicerine. Eating a lot of calcium foods. I have much more energy when I add

more protein to my diet and do not feel quite so tired.

 

[Guest guest]

Ron if this is true, then the folks here who are experiencing problems with loss

of tooth enamel, should also be having problems with osteoporosis. Could the

those with teeth problems tell us if they are also experiencing bone loss?

Thanks Lane

-

rlmftw

rawfood

Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:40 PM

Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit

 

 

 

 

As I understand it, the problem is not the action of the acid

directly on your teeth. The problem is that when it gets to your

blood and changes the pH of your blood, then your body has to do

something to bring the pH back down to the level that your body

requires.

 

The only way your body can do this is by taking calcium and other

alkaline minerals out of your bones (which causes osteoporosis)

and/or out of your teeth, which may be the problem you are

complaining about.

 

The solution is less citrus fruit and more veggies.

 

Ron

 

 

Arawfood , " Vegigran " <vegigran@h...> wrote:

> <<<<<I don't have problems with my teeth when I stay away from

simple

> sugar(s). A raw vegan diet leaves lots of room for things that

will

> leach the calcium out of your teeth. Vegetable fat will do it,

for

> example, if you eat enough to throw your body into negative

mineral

> balance. Coffee, " Diet food " and sugar substitutes will do it.

> Diet cokes will do it, big time. Any acidic food will do it.

Lots

> of pineapple, oranges and citrus fruits will do it!

>

> Hi Ron, I am really surprised because I eat so many greens.

Never did drink coffee or soft drinks. But well I do eat lots of

pineapples, oranges and citrus fruits, and I was always careful to

rinse afterwards. You would think that fruit being the ideal food

for humans, would not cause any problems.

> Thanks,

> Vegigran

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just joined two kefir groups. I am learning all about kefir and the

varieties of products so I can add that to my raw diet. Little did I know,

that drinking kefir can wear down the enamel on teeth. One group in

particular suggests that you either rinse your mouth after drinking it, or

brush your teeth to limit this from happening. Just wanted to pass that

along.

Sasha

 

----

 

rawfood

12/22/04 17:40:37

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit

 

<<<<<Vegigran; would you mind sharing with us what your basic diet is

like?>>>>>

 

Simple, very simple. I love fruit smoothies and eat just about all kinds of

fruits. To get enough minerals I also add greens to my fruit smoothies and

then have a salad every night. I do eat baked potatoes and squash and steam

my veggies some of the time with my evening meal. I try to go 100%, but am

just not satisfied, get weak and lose weight. This summer is when I tried

going 80/10/10 like Dr Graham recommends and shortly thereafter noticed the

enamel loss on my teeth. So I have read up as much as I can and listened to

others. Added 2 ounces of nuts/seeds to my daily diet, brush teeth with

soap and avoid glicerine. Eating a lot of calcium foods. I have much more

energy when I add more protein to my diet and do not feel quite so tired.

Vegigran

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi, Lane, I'm so sorry to hear of the skin cancer!

 

What I have heard recently from Dr. Graham (this very question came up at our

seminar) is that we should get some sun either early or late in date, avoiding

the sun in mid-day. He said the sun is not the problem causing the cancer, it is

the lack of nutrition and poor diet that feeds the cancers. But I don't know

what could be recommended once you actually have ben diagnosed with skin cancer.

Someone else here might have more specific information.

 

He also said that if there is an area that is very susceptible to buring, to

protect it by using something that will block the sun from the area. Wear hats,

etc., and he uses mud on his nose as a block. (He mentioned something else as

well, but I don't recall what it was, sorry!)

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

lane lynn <lanie wrote:

I wonder about this idea of going out in the sun. Because I have developed skin

cancer, I have been told to stay out of the sun. Could some of you more

experienced folks enlighten me. Thanks , Lane

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

For feeding the hair root, and growth of a continued healthy head of hair

juice carrot, lettuce, celery, cucumber, alfalfa, spinach, (green bell

pepper - optional). Taken from Fresh Vegetable and Fruit Juices from N.S.

Walker D.Sc. Also, I have been using honey, and a lot of it, as well as

molasses for many years, and now I add them to my juicing routine. It is

said of molasses, in particular, that your hair stays its natural color for

years longer than if you did not have it in your diet.

Sasha

 

----

 

rawfood

12/22/04 19:11:00

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit

 

Valerie,

I agree absolutely with what you say. It's hard to pin point any one thing

because so many things like previous diet, lifestyle, environment, age,

genes, all have an impact on the state of our health. One thing that seems

to go hand in hand with the loss of teeth enamel is the loss of hair. Well

I have a very thick head of hair and very little gray (about 3-5%) for my

age. So how can you figure. What works for one person does not always work

or hold true for the next. Our bodies are all in differing states of health

and must be treated as so. There is just not one size fits all when it

comes to improving our lifestyles. We must all work at our own pace and

find what will work for us.

Thanks,

Vegigran

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Lorriane Day also addresses skin cancer in her video, You Can't Improve on God.

 

Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly wrote:

Hi, Lane, I'm so sorry to hear of the skin cancer!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 02:40:15AM -0000, rlmftw wrote:

>

>

>

> As I understand it, the problem is not the action of the acid

> directly on your teeth. The problem is that when it gets to your

> blood and changes the pH of your blood, then your body has to do

> something to bring the pH back down to the level that your body

> requires.

>

> The only way your body can do this is by taking calcium and other

> alkaline minerals out of your bones (which causes osteoporosis)

> and/or out of your teeth, which may be the problem you are

> complaining about.

>

> The solution is less citrus fruit and more veggies.

>

 

I've always read that citrus alkalizes your body. That all fruit does

actually. That isn't true?

 

also, from what you say, there is no need to worry about drinking

orange juice through a staw then right? I have heard people do

this thinking they are saving their teeth.

[Guest guest]

That's been my understanding as well, John; when I do a lot of citrus juice, I

use a straw, and still rinse immediately with water just to be sure.

 

peace,

Valerie

 

johnd <john wrote:

I've always read that citrus alkalizes your body. That all fruit does

actually. That isn't true?

 

also, from what you say, there is no need to worry about drinking

orange juice through a staw then right? I have heard people do

this thinking they are saving their teeth.

 

 

 

Mail - You care about security. So do we.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I wear a texas ten-gallon hat or a Mexican sombrero, or Panama hat.

I've had 5-6 skin cancers burned off my face.

 

Ron

 

rawfood , " lane lynn " <lanie@p...> wrote:

> I wonder about this idea of going out in the sun. Because I have

developed skin cancer, I have been told to stay out of the sun.

Could some of you more experienced folks enlighten me. Thanks , Lane

> -

> Valerie Mills Daly

> rawfood

> Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:42 PM

> Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit

>

>

> Hi, Vegigran,

>

> Thanks so much for taking time to respond to my question.

>

> A couple of things stood out to me: First, you said the enamel

loss appeared shortly after trying the 80/10/10 program. My

understanding is that enamel loss occurs over a period of time, and

is more likely to be a result of something else unrelated to

attempting the all raw diet. Also, concerning fatigue, one thing

I've come across is low calorie intake. It takes eating a lot of

fruit to balance out our calorie needs once we've stabilized in

other ways.

>

> I also have found myself wondering what kind of impact things

like distilled water, etc., have on our teeth. When we go from a

totally SAD way of life to another, especially when we 've been SAD

for 45 years or more, our body have a harder time re-adjusting to

the switch in nutrients. Absolutely NO proof of any of that,just

wondering.

>

> Oh, and one more thing--I've read that part of the calcium

problem may be lack of exposure to sunshine on a regular basis. I

know I've sung this song before (sorry, folks!), but our body

responds to everything we do, exercise, rest, etc., in order to

provide our body with what it needs.

>

> Speaking of rest, I think I better head toward bed....good night

everyone!

>

> Peace,

> Valerie

>

> Vegigran <vegigran@h...> wrote:

> <<<<<Vegigran; would you mind sharing with us what your basic

diet is like?>>>>>

>

> Simple, very simple. I love fruit smoothies and eat just about

all kinds of fruits. To get enough minerals I also add greens to my

fruit smoothies and then have a salad every night. I do eat baked

potatoes and squash and steam my veggies some of the time with my

evening meal. I try to go 100%, but am just not satisfied, get weak

and lose weight. This summer is when I tried going 80/10/10 like Dr

Graham recommends and shortly thereafter noticed the enamel loss on

my teeth. So I have read up as much as I can and listened to

others. Added 2 ounces of nuts/seeds to my daily diet, brush teeth

with soap and avoid glicerine. Eating a lot of calcium foods. I

have much more energy when I add more protein to my diet and do not

feel quite so tired.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not a doctor. I've read some books and seen some internet posts

that explain that poor dental health and osteoporosis are both

associated with eatng SAD. Individuals are different, but the older

we get, the more likely reality is to catch up with us.

 

I'm in my sixth day of my progressive renunciation of SAD. I'm not

really one to be preaching. Yesterday I bought a bag of avocadoes

because they were on sale for $1.99. They probably contain as much

fat and oil as a 5-lb steak! It's vegetable oil, not animal, but

that is not going to save me.

 

I'm still working on my own problems.

 

Ron

 

 

rawfood , " lane lynn " <lanie@p...> wrote:

> Ron if this is true, then the folks here who are experiencing

problems with loss of tooth enamel, should also be having problems

with osteoporosis. Could the those with teeth problems tell us if

they are also experiencing bone loss? Thanks Lane

> -

> rlmftw

> rawfood

> Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:40 PM

> Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit

>

>

>

>

> As I understand it, the problem is not the action of the acid

> directly on your teeth. The problem is that when it gets to

your

> blood and changes the pH of your blood, then your body has to do

> something to bring the pH back down to the level that your body

> requires.

>

> The only way your body can do this is by taking calcium and

other

> alkaline minerals out of your bones (which causes osteoporosis)

> and/or out of your teeth, which may be the problem you are

> complaining about.

>

> The solution is less citrus fruit and more veggies.

>

> Ron

>

>

> Arawfood , " Vegigran " <vegigran@h...>

wrote:

> > <<<<<I don't have problems with my teeth when I stay away from

> simple

> > sugar(s). A raw vegan diet leaves lots of room for things

that

> will

> > leach the calcium out of your teeth. Vegetable fat will do

it,

> for

> > example, if you eat enough to throw your body into negative

> mineral

> > balance. Coffee, " Diet food " and sugar substitutes will do

it.

> > Diet cokes will do it, big time. Any acidic food will do it.

> Lots

> > of pineapple, oranges and citrus fruits will do it!

> >

> > Hi Ron, I am really surprised because I eat so many greens.

> Never did drink coffee or soft drinks. But well I do eat lots

of

> pineapples, oranges and citrus fruits, and I was always careful

to

> rinse afterwards. You would think that fruit being the ideal

food

> for humans, would not cause any problems.

> > Thanks,

> > Vegigran

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Where did you get the idea that citric acid is alkaline? Acid is

acid.

 

Ron

 

 

rawfood , johnd <john@j...> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 02:40:15AM -0000, rlmftw wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > As I understand it, the problem is not the action of the acid

> > directly on your teeth. The problem is that when it gets to

your

> > blood and changes the pH of your blood, then your body has to do

> > something to bring the pH back down to the level that your body

> > requires.

> >

> > The only way your body can do this is by taking calcium and

other

> > alkaline minerals out of your bones (which causes osteoporosis)

> > and/or out of your teeth, which may be the problem you are

> > complaining about.

> >

> > The solution is less citrus fruit and more veggies.

> >

>

> I've always read that citrus alkalizes your body. That all fruit

does

> actually. That isn't true?

>

> also, from what you say, there is no need to worry about drinking

> orange juice through a staw then right? I have heard people do

> this thinking they are saving their teeth.

[Guest guest]

I've had this experience also. Fruits are very filling, due to the

fiber content I'm sure, and I find it is almost impossible to get any

where close to my calorie requirement eating fruit alone. I become

full very quickly with fruit. I also find that i'm more satisfied

when I include veggies nuts and other foods.

 

rawfood , Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly>

wrote:

> Hi, Vegigran,Also, concerning fatigue, one thing I've come across

is low calorie intake. It takes eating a lot of fruit to balance out

our calorie needs once we've stabilized in other ways. I know I've

sung this song before (sorry, folks!), but our body responds to

everything we do, exercise, rest, etc., in order to provide our body

with what it needs.

> Peace,

> Valerie