Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Ron I read some where(yes I'm always reading lol) that certain foods, such as citrus fruits, which are acidic in composition can become alkalinizing within the body after they are metabolized and/or broken down. Other members can probably explain this better. rawfood , " rlmftw " <rlmftw> wrote: > Where did you get the idea that citric acid is alkaline? Acid is > acid. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Lane, One other thing I recall about skin cancer is adding Miso to your diet. You might want to check that out. I know it is used as a preventative, but once you have cancer, I don't know the benefits. I thought I would pass that info along, and it if sounds right for you, it could lead somewhere. Sasha ---- rawfood 12/23/04 04:50:31 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit I wonder about this idea of going out in the sun. Because I have developed skin cancer, I have been told to stay out of the sun. Could some of you more experienced folks enlighten me. Thanks , Lane - Valerie Mills Daly rawfood Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:42 PM Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit Hi, Vegigran, Thanks so much for taking time to respond to my question. A couple of things stood out to me: First, you said the enamel loss appeared shortly after trying the 80/10/10 program. My understanding is that enamel loss occurs over a period of time, and is more likely to be a result of something else unrelated to attempting the all raw diet. Also, concerning fatigue, one thing I've come across is low calorie intake. It takes eating a lot of fruit to balance out our calorie needs once we've stabilized in other ways. I also have found myself wondering what kind of impact things like distilled water, etc., have on our teeth. When we go from a totally SAD way of life to another, especially when we 've been SAD for 45 years or more, our body have a harder time re-adjusting to the switch in nutrients. Absolutely NO proof of any of that,just wondering. Oh, and one more thing--I've read that part of the calcium problem may be lack of exposure to sunshine on a regular basis. I know I've sung this song before (sorry, folks!), but our body responds to everything we do, exercise, rest, etc., in order to provide our body with what it needs. Speaking of rest, I think I better head toward bed....good night everyone! Peace, Valerie Vegigran <vegigran wrote: <<<<<Vegigran; would you mind sharing with us what your basic diet is like?>>>>> Simple, very simple. I love fruit smoothies and eat just about all kinds of fruits. To get enough minerals I also add greens to my fruit smoothies and then have a salad every night. I do eat baked potatoes and squash and steam my veggies some of the time with my evening meal. I try to go 100%, but am just not satisfied, get weak and lose weight. This summer is when I tried going 80/10/10 like Dr Graham recommends and shortly thereafter noticed the enamel loss on my teeth. So I have read up as much as I can and listened to others. Added 2 ounces of nuts/seeds to my daily diet, brush teeth with soap and avoid glicerine. Eating a lot of calcium foods. I have much more energy when I add more protein to my diet and do not feel quite so tired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Yes, I would like to hear about that too. I lift weights and walk and I really don't know if I'm loosing bone too! I am small boned to begin with. Vegigran Ron if this is true, then the folks here who are experiencing problems with loss of tooth enamel, should also be having problems with osteoporosis. Could the those with teeth problems tell us if they are also experiencing bone loss? Thanks Lane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 My skin definitely has a different color to it since increasing my diet with fruits and vegetable. I also think once we clean up our blood streams and unclog those smaller veins (capillaries) that feed the hair roots and outer skin, we will see a major improvement in our appearance. I have even heard (don't know if true or not) that people that had gray hair, once their roots were being nourished again, turned back to their natural color. Same with the eyes, better eyesight as a result of clearing the capillaries and getting nourishment and oxygen to them too. Vegigran For feeding the hair root, and growth of a continued healthy head of hair juice carrot, lettuce, celery, cucumber, alfalfa, spinach, (green bell pepper - optional). Taken from Fresh Vegetable and Fruit Juices from N.S. Walker D.Sc. Also, I have been using honey, and a lot of it, as well as molasses for many years, and now I add them to my juicing routine. It is said of molasses, in particular, that your hair stays its natural color for years longer than if you did not have it in your diet. Sasha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Could this be the abundance of citric acid or the lack of protein to handle it? Vegigran That's been my understanding as well, John; when I do a lot of citrus juice, I use a straw, and still rinse immediately with water just to be sure. peace, Valerie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 All acids are not the same! Vegigran Where did you get the idea that citric acid is alkaline? Acid is acid. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 There's probably a lot of toxins in a steak that an avocado doesn't have. I eat raw because of the happy boost that eating living foods gives me. rawfood , " rlmftw " <rlmftw> wrote: > > > I'm not a doctor. I've read some books and seen some internet posts > that explain that poor dental health and osteoporosis are both > associated with eatng SAD. Individuals are different, but the older > we get, the more likely reality is to catch up with us. > > I'm in my sixth day of my progressive renunciation of SAD. I'm not > really one to be preaching. Yesterday I bought a bag of avocadoes > because they were on sale for $1.99. They probably contain as much > fat and oil as a 5-lb steak! It's vegetable oil, not animal, but > that is not going to save me. > > I'm still working on my own problems. > > Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 I've read this in several different books. That fruit even acidic friuit alkalizes your system. On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 06:40:15PM -0000, rlmftw wrote: > > > > Where did you get the idea that citric acid is alkaline? Acid is > acid. > > Ron > > > rawfood , johnd <john@j...> wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 02:40:15AM -0000, rlmftw wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, the problem is not the action of the acid > > > directly on your teeth. The problem is that when it gets to > your > > > blood and changes the pH of your blood, then your body has to do > > > something to bring the pH back down to the level that your body > > > requires. > > > > > > The only way your body can do this is by taking calcium and > other > > > alkaline minerals out of your bones (which causes osteoporosis) > > > and/or out of your teeth, which may be the problem you are > > > complaining about. > > > > > > The solution is less citrus fruit and more veggies. > > > > > > > I've always read that citrus alkalizes your body. That all fruit > does > > actually. That isn't true? > > > > also, from what you say, there is no need to worry about drinking > > orange juice through a staw then right? I have heard people do > > this thinking they are saving their teeth. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Ron, I'm in my sixth day of my progressive renunciation of SAD. I'm not really one to be preaching. Yesterday I bought a bag of avocadoes because they were on sale for $1.99. They probably contain as much fat and oil as a 5-lb steak! It's vegetable oil, not animal, but that is not going to save me. Nothing wrong with avocados. It isn't saturated fat and it isn't trans fat, and it isn't cooked fat, so enjoy yourself. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 On Dec 23, 2004, at 10:35 AM, rlmftw wrote: > > > > I'm not a doctor. I've read some books and seen some internet posts > that explain that poor dental health and osteoporosis are both > associated with eatng SAD. Individuals are different, but the older > we get, the more likely reality is to catch up with us. > > I'm in my sixth day of my progressive renunciation of SAD. I'm not > really one to be preaching. Yesterday I bought a bag of avocadoes > because they were on sale for $1.99. They probably contain as much > fat and oil as a 5-lb steak! It's vegetable oil, not animal, but > that is not going to save me. > how would it hurt you? unless you are trying to cut calories, there is no cholesterol there and a lot of Vit E that is great for your heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 I'm a bit confused. Are you just assuming that because a fruit is acid it acidifies the body. I agree that this appears to make sense but all the places I check say that grapefruit juice which is acid has an alkalizing effect on the body? I just did a google search and the first three links I went to say orange juice, grapefruit juice alkalize the body but a saw another place that says citrus and other acid fruits acidify but even this site says grapefruit is the exception. This makes me think that after something is digested it can have different effects that what it would seem to have. I guess there is a way to find out. I could check my PH then drink 16 oz or so of fresh OJ then check it again every 15 min for a few hours. Do you know what I would check? (blood, urine, saliva?) On Dec 23, 2004, at 10:40 AM, rlmftw wrote: > > > > Where did you get the idea that citric acid is alkaline? Acid is > acid. > > Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Thank you Valerie. I do not think the skin cancer is from poor diet, although I'm sure that didn't help. Everyone who grew up in the Bermuda sun, as I did, develops skin cancer later in life. So there must be a connection between sun and skin cancer. I have actually thought of putting an undamaged part of my skin in the sun to get the vitamen D=the back of my legs for instance. I would then keep the sensitve areas out of the sun, much as you suggested. Thanks for the feedback. Lane - " Valerie Mills Daly " <valdaly <rawfood > Thursday, December 23, 2004 11:29 AM Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit Hi, Lane, I'm so sorry to hear of the skin cancer! What I have heard recently from Dr. Graham (this very question came up at our seminar) is that we should get some sun either early or late in date, avoiding the sun in mid-day. He said the sun is not the problem causing the cancer, it is the lack of nutrition and poor diet that feeds the cancers. But I don't know what could be recommended once you actually have ben diagnosed with skin cancer. Someone else here might have more specific information. He also said that if there is an area that is very susceptible to buring, to protect it by using something that will block the sun from the area. Wear hats, etc., and he uses mud on his nose as a block. (He mentioned something else as well, but I don't recall what it was, sorry!) Peace, Valerie lane lynn <lanie wrote: I wonder about this idea of going out in the sun. Because I have developed skin cancer, I have been told to stay out of the sun. Could some of you more experienced folks enlighten me. Thanks , Lane Meet the all-new My - Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 I don't know about the protein side of it; I just know of reports I've read of increasing dental problems among children, most of whom probably eat a high protein (high fat, high sugar, etc.) diet. My understanding is that a higher protein intake, especially from animal sources, makes for more acidity in the body. I've never really come across anything about fruit acids being a problem, except in the context of gastric reflux, when i was told I should quit eating tomatoes and citrus (though, of course, no mention was made of changing any other area of my diet, LOL!). However, since I've gone all raw, I've not had any acid problems connected to digestion. I now eat tomatoes and citrus without any discomfort, but I do take precautions, just in case it might be a problem with my teeth (via direct contact; I don't think there is anything to worry about once the foods have been digested). Reading this over makes me think it may come across a little muddled....sorry if it is; it's 3:20 a.m. here, and I woke up and could not get back to sleep! Perhaps this is not the best time for me to be responding to emails~! Peace, Valerie Vegigran <vegigran wrote: Could this be the abundance of citric acid or the lack of protein to handle it? Vegigran That's been my understanding as well, John; when I do a lot of citrus juice, I use a straw, and still rinse immediately with water just to be sure. peace, Valerie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 so dose this mean that OJ doesn't cause you to become acidic? (I mean fresh raw OJ) If so, is it safe for your teeth? also, if it damages your teeth, is it because of the contact with your teeth or because some internal cause? On Dec 23, 2004, at 3:09 PM, Vegigran wrote: > > All acids are not the same! > Vegigran > > Where did you get the idea that citric acid is alkaline? Acid is > acid. > > Ron > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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