Guest guest Report post Posted January 19, 2002 Chris > I'm with you on that...and I'm so disgusted with humans that even > kids deserve what comes to them,cause theyre just gonna grow up to be > adults...I think humanity should just stop breeding altogether..I'm > hopefully getting my vasectomy next month. I know from your posts you are a very caring person - what happens when you fall madly in love with a wonderful woman and want to reproduce another person just like her? As I said to Angie, not everyone is nasty - the animal world isn't perfect either. Should we wish birds of prey, sharks, cats etc out of existence as well? There are a lot of people just like you/us in the world. Why should we give up our lives when we don't expect animals to? To my mind humans, animals, trees, plants and rocks are all one. Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 > Chris > I know from your posts you are a very caring person - what happens when you > fall madly in love with a wonderful woman and want to reproduce another > person just like her? well,I already AM madly in love with a wonderful woman. But we're not having kids...and I don't think anyone else should either. > As I said to Angie, not everyone is nasty - the animal world isn't perfect > either. Should we wish birds of prey, sharks, cats etc out of existence as > well? no,they only kill out of necessity and/or instinct,and they don't intentionally and carelessly destroy our world,and cause tens of thousands of extinctions per year. There are a lot of people just like you/us in the world. Why should > we give up our lives when we don't expect animals to? To my mind humans, > animals, trees, plants and rocks are all one. I wish I could share your optimism here. I do NOT view humans in same light as I view all the other inhabitants of Earth. They have,and continue to,risen above Nature and out of the natural order of things...humanity continues in its mad quest to " play God " and be dominant over all other life forms in the world,and the world itself. I don't want us to give up our lives,I'm not suggesting mass human suicide(although anyone who wants to has my blessing,heh)..I'm stating that the destruction of life is entirely humanity's fault,and the only sure way to our world to go on living peacefully is for humans to not be here. I think we should all stop breeding....as I said,not just kill ourselves,I want everyone to lead long,happy,healthy,fulfilling lives,and clean up and try to reverse as much of mankind's damage on our way out as possible. Man..I must really amuse you guys with my extreme views...haha...oh well.. Chris X Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 >I don't want us to give up our lives,I'm not suggesting mass human suicide(although anyone who wants to has my blessing,heh)..I'm stating that the destruction of life is entirely humanity's fault,and the only sure way to our world to go on living peacefully is for humans to not be here. But a few of us have a right to live, -I believe only vegans should be allowed to reproduce or persons showing they can help the enviroment and live peacefully. >Man..I must really amuse you guys with my extreme views...haha...oh well.. I don't think your extreme, there is a big population problem and I agree with most of what you've said. Kim To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 > But a few of us have a right to live, -I believe only vegans should be allowed to reproduce or persons showing they can help the enviroment and live peacefully. Kim, the problem with this,though it seems likea noble idea,is that there's no sure way to tell how these people's kids will turn out. You can try all you want to raise a good kid,but there's just no way to be sure. If we could all be sure how to raise perfect children,we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with,and the world would be vegan,peaceful,and there would be no war,pollution,crime,hate,etc... Chris X Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 In a message dated 1/21/02 10:02:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, Snowbow writes: << The list could go on. As I say, I don't believe any of the things I have said above, but it is frightening that people believe anyone who disagrees with them on an ethical issue should not be allowed to reproduce! >> i agree sounds to much like hate and rounding up the non-veggies otherwise education is the key!!! fraggle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 Hi Chris > I must > really amuse you guys with my extreme views...haha...oh well.. Y'reckon that's extreme???? :-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 Hi Kim > But a few of us have a right to live, -I believe only vegans should be allowed to reproduce > or persons showing they can help the enviroment and live peacefully. Ouch - there's an ethical labyrinth....let's try a couple of varieties of this...(and no, I don't really believe any of these things...) 1. I believe that only people following an Earth Based Spirituality should be allowed to reproduce because they are the only ones who understand the importance of nature. 2. I believe that only Marxists should be allowed to reproduce because they are the only ones who understand the concept of sharing everything equally. 3. I believe that nobody who smokes should be allowed to reproduce because they have no concern for themselves or the environment. 4. I believe that nobody who drinks alcohol should be allowed to reproduce because they are sometimes drunk. The list could go on. As I say, I don't believe any of the things I have said above, but it is frightening that people believe anyone who disagrees with them on an ethical issue should not be allowed to reproduce! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 >The list could go on. As I say, I don't believe any of the things I have said above, but it is frightening that people believe anyone who disagrees with them on an ethical issue should not be allowed to reproduce! Why? In the ideal world this would be the rule,- carnivore man has created an ugly world ,destroyed the planet,eats a very unnatural diet,- man hasn't fulfilled his potential-don't you think its time to change? and the world is changing slowly. Eventually mankind will have no choice but to live by rules. Kim ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 Chris > I wish I could share your optimism here. I do NOT view humans in > same light as I view all the other inhabitants of Earth. They > have,and continue to,risen above Nature and out of the natural order > of things...humanity continues in its mad quest to " play God " and be > dominant over all other life forms in the world,and the world itself. > I don't want us to give up our lives,I'm not suggesting mass human > suicide(although anyone who wants to has my blessing,heh)..I'm > stating that the destruction of life is entirely humanity's fault,and > the only sure way to our world to go on living peacefully is for > humans to not be here. I think we should all stop breeding....as I > said,not just kill ourselves,I want everyone to lead > long,happy,healthy,fulfilling lives,and clean up and try to reverse > as much of mankind's damage on our way out as possible. Man..I must > really amuse you guys with my extreme views...haha...oh well.. No, I'm not amused. I love discussing views. The only point I have to make is:- It is only people like you (the good ones!) who feel that they will not breed. The nasty ones are never going to stop breeding. If the nice ones stop breeding and the nasty ones don't there is no hope for humanity or the rest of the animal kingdom. Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 Vegan kids grow up to be kind caring individuals If you say otherwise I'll send them round to sort you out !!!!!! - " xxx_suicidal_vegan_xxx " <XBobaFettX Monday, January 21, 2002 10:19 AM Re: Humanity > > the problem with this,though it seems likea noble idea,is that > there's no sure way to tell how these people's kids will turn out. > You can try all you want to raise a good kid,but there's just no way > to be sure. If we could all be sure how to raise perfect children,we > wouldn't be in this mess to begin with,and the world would be > vegan,peaceful,and there would be no war,pollution,crime,hate,etc... > > Chris X > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 Kimberley But a few of us have a right to live, -I believe only vegans should be allowed to reproduce or persons showing they can help the enviroment and live peacefully. ....and who will oversee this? Are there any vegans in power, or might the people in power just decide that vegans, Pagans, Marxists etc cannot breed? While it might be a pleasant thought that at some time in the future all humans are vegan, and caring, it is not caring to suggest that other people cannot breed. Therefore if we choose to stop others breeding we are not 'caring' and therefore the people left to breed are not as caring as they think they are. If only vegans were allowed to breed most of us wouldn't be here anyway, so this conversation wouldn't be taking place. I always try to steer clear of right-wing thoughts. Jo ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 Chris > the problem with this,though it seems likea noble idea,is that > there's no sure way to tell how these people's kids will turn out. > You can try all you want to raise a good kid,but there's just no way > to be sure. If we could all be sure how to raise perfect children, I think we managed it :-) Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 Vegans need to breed to keep the numbers increasing !!!! Angie - " Jo " <Heartwork Monday, January 21, 2002 7:02 PM Re: Re: Humanity > > > It is only people like you (the good ones!) who feel that they will not > breed. The nasty ones are never going to stop breeding. If the nice ones > stop breeding and the nasty ones don't there is no hope for humanity or the > rest of the animal kingdom. > > Jo > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02 > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 Kimberley > Eventually mankind will have no choice but to live by rules. That's okay if they are the rules of nature - not the rules made by some other person. Jo ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2002 Angie I see you understood the point I was making! Jo > Vegans need to breed to keep the numbers increasing !!!! Angie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2002 > 3. I believe that nobody who smokes should be allowed to reproduce because they have no concern for themselves or the environment. > > 4. I believe that nobody who drinks alcohol should be allowed to reproduce because they are sometimes drunk. I can dig that...heh... Chris X Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2002 That's okay if they are the rules of nature - not the rules made by some other person. Yes, the rules of nature Kim ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2002 No, I'm not amused. I love discussing views. The only point I have to make > is:- > > It is only people like you (the good ones!) who feel that they will not > breed. The nasty ones are never going to stop breeding. If the nice ones > stop breeding and the nasty ones don't there is no hope for humanity or the > rest of the animal kingdom. Jo, I know,it does seem like one big hopeless circle..If an idea lacks enough merit to be passed on without being force-fed from an early age, it probably deserves to be forgotten. Awareness isn't passed along in our genes. Every person who shares my views on this subjectis the result of a breeding couple, and yet we have all decided to stop reproducing. Often, we arrived at this conclusion independently and without support from friends and family. The concept of voluntary human extinction has a life of its own. It's an idea whose time has come, though it may be a little late. I just think education is the key here. Chris X Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2002 i see *taps foot* next thing ya know only members of the master race can breed yer scaring me kids shall i wear an armband now? fraggle In a message dated 1/21/02 11:50:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, XBobaFettX writes: < 3. I believe that nobody who smokes should be allowed to reproduce because they have no concern for themselves or the environment. > > 4. I believe that nobody who drinks alcohol should be allowed to reproduce because they are sometimes drunk. I can dig that...heh... Chris X >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2002 Hi Kim > Why? In the ideal world this would be the rule In *your* ideal world this would be the rule. > carnivore man has created an ugly world ,destroyed the planet,eats a very unnatural diet Most of the Druids I know are very active in environmental issues, but none of them are vegan. > man hasn't fulfilled his potential-don't you think its time to change? I'm sure all of us have aspects which somebody could say are less than perfect, or that we have not fulfilled our potential in some way. As much as I dislike a lot of the Bible there is that great phrase "let he who is without sin....." BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2002 In *your* ideal world this would be the rule. yes >Most of the Druids I know are very active in environmental issues, but none of them are vegan. How can they claim to care about the enviroment and not be vegan?- exploiting animals and the grazing of animals for food is the biggest enviromental disaster there is,?? >I'm sure all of us have aspects which somebody could say are less than perfect, Living within the laws of nature,- is the only way to live, and man's biggest failure, "let he who is without sin....." Man has to deal with fundamental issues first and correct his diet, Kim BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2002 I did my bit for the cause !!!!!! - " Jo " <Heartwork Monday, January 21, 2002 11:40 PM Re: Re: Humanity > Angie > > I see you understood the point I was making! > > Jo > > > > Vegans need to breed to keep the numbers increasing !!!! Angie > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02 > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2002 I think that people who try to say who can reproduce and who can't should not be allowed to force their views on others. Jo > > 3. I believe that nobody who smokes should be allowed to reproduce > because they have no concern for themselves or the environment. > > > > 4. I believe that nobody who drinks alcohol should be allowed to > reproduce because they are sometimes drunk. > > I can dig that...heh... > > Chris X > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2002 I don't trust environmentalists they seem to want to protect things so numbers won't decline and affect them --No fish to eat -No whales to look at --No otters to hunt . When the numbers increase thet can kill them again They don't consider the individual wanting to live its life Hence some birds are valuable but pigeons of no importance and need killing They are often not vegan because it is a " How does it affect me" philosophy Of course those who are vegans first will have a less selfish approach to the envronment if they regard themselves as environmentalists imo Angie - Peter Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:24 PM Re: Re: Humanity Hi Kim > carnivore man has created an ugly world ,destroyed the planet,eats a very unnatural diet Most of the Druids I know are very active in environmental issues, but none of them are vegan. BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2002 Changing ones diet is the easiest thing to do because you can do it for yourself ,by yourself Many environmental issues we can't tackle by ourselves so easily pollution by factories/whaling etc Its also the hardest because you can't hide what you are you have to think about it every time you shop/eat Its a bigger commitment than say using the bottle bank(and who will notice if you forget ?!) - kimberley1 Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:54 PM Re: Re: Humanity In *your* ideal world this would be the rule. yes >Most of the Druids I know are very active in environmental issues, but none of them are vegan. How can they claim to care about the enviroment and not be vegan?- exploiting animals and the grazing of animals for food is the biggest enviromental disaster there is,?? >I'm sure all of us have aspects which somebody could say are less than perfect, Living within the laws of nature,- is the only way to live, and man's biggest failure, "let he who is without sin....." Man has to deal with fundamental issues first and correct his diet, Kim BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 02/01/02To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
