more on man the hunted if you're interested

[Guest guest]

Yes I have continued to explore answers to why we are different blood

types and there is nothing much out there I as yet have found, but I

will continue as I am here. You take debate well, thank you, could it

be a " Type B " thing?

[Guest guest]

Ron,

First of all, I have NOT read er4yt, and I have made no comments

against it. I do want to point out that the author wrote it to make

money, whether he's right or not, I honestly don't know. But, you

need to keep this man's agenda in mind, whatever it may be.

 

Second of all, I am not really sure why you would use the term " vegan

mob " ? I may have missed it, but has anyone called you any names?

 

Thirdly, you are talking with people who LIVE veganism. We, as a

collective body, can tell you real benefits, pitfalls, and even ways

to make it work for you. We don't have any agenda outside of a

shared desire to protect helpless animals.

 

I have had many health challenges, including five major surgeries and

anemia that made my rbc drop to 4. I was also paralyzed and in a

wheelchair for 6 years prior to becoming a vegan. I could change

absolutely nothing except my diet. Six months after I went vegan I

started getting the feeling back. I'm no longer in a wheelchair. I

don't walk as much as I used to, but I can walk several blocks. This

isn't a fluke, it's proveable medicine...I had specialists out the

wazoo check me out. I was a " hopeless " case, the paralysis

was " permanent " . In fact, specialists from other cities flew in to

check me out...just what I wanted " more tests " ...lol not!! As far as

I know, it's been written up in the New England Journal of Medicine.

 

I never expected any health improvement from veganism, I did it

purely for ethical reasons, so I was about as surprised as the

medical experts that I started to heal.

 

I don't miss eating out, I live in a predominately " steak house "

enviro, and the smell just grosses me out. I've gotten to be a much

better cook than I thought possible, and I've tried foods I didn't

know. LOL

 

And I'm not even the most experienced vegan on here, I'm sure. Given

a chance, you might find that we know about " vegan " because we live

it.

 

Finally, I want to point out that many things can

sound " scientific " . I say that because my college major was

chemistry. The way to really tell is to ask for sources, credible

sources. What are the sources that back up er4yt? I do want to

know, I'm not being facetious.

 

, " Ron " <ron.zzxx wrote:

>

> i am not defending er4yt but who says it has been discredited, by

> rhetoric and demagoguery? by the vegan mob? have you read it? it

> seems very scientific to me.

>

> , " jo " <jo.heartwork@> wrote:

> >

> > They have similar programmes here I believe. Tony Blackburn, who

is

> > vegetarian, was on one, and he didn't succumb to eating any

> animals, whereas

> > Uri Geller did, of course.

> >

> > As the blood type diet has been discredited there doesn't seem

much

> point in

> > keep mentioning it.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > -

> > " Ron " <ron.zzxx@>

> >

> > Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:11 PM

> > Re: more on " man the hunted " if you're

> interested

> >

> >

> > > LOL.. they should do a vegan episode of " man vs. wild " .. (and I

> wonder

> > > what blood type is the " man " ?)

> > >

> > > or a survival show where vegans are on an island maybe even

> competing

> > > with non-vegans..?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thank You for pouring out there, I love that, I must choose my words

better although I did not envision you in that " mob " . I barely passed

English class in High school, so i struggle sometimes to find the

right words, or even thoughts. I understand this is a Vegan Group and

I do appreciate the extent you all have discussed this perplexing

issue.

 

, " tofuchick24 " <tofuchick

wrote:

>

> Ron,

> First of all, I have NOT read er4yt, and I have made no comments

> against it. I do want to point out that the author wrote it to

make

> money, whether he's right or not, I honestly don't know. But, you

> need to keep this man's agenda in mind, whatever it may be.

>

> Second of all, I am not really sure why you would use the

term " vegan

> mob " ? I may have missed it, but has anyone called you any names?

>

> Thirdly, you are talking with people who LIVE veganism. We, as a

> collective body, can tell you real benefits, pitfalls, and even

ways

> to make it work for you. We don't have any agenda outside of a

> shared desire to protect helpless animals.

>

> I have had many health challenges, including five major surgeries

and

> anemia that made my rbc drop to 4. I was also paralyzed and in a

> wheelchair for 6 years prior to becoming a vegan. I could change

> absolutely nothing except my diet. Six months after I went vegan I

> started getting the feeling back. I'm no longer in a wheelchair.

I

> don't walk as much as I used to, but I can walk several blocks.

This

> isn't a fluke, it's proveable medicine...I had specialists out the

> wazoo check me out. I was a " hopeless " case, the paralysis

> was " permanent " . In fact, specialists from other cities flew in to

> check me out...just what I wanted " more tests " ...lol not!! As far

as

> I know, it's been written up in the New England Journal of Medicine.

>

> I never expected any health improvement from veganism, I did it

> purely for ethical reasons, so I was about as surprised as the

> medical experts that I started to heal.

>

> I don't miss eating out, I live in a predominately " steak house "

> enviro, and the smell just grosses me out. I've gotten to be a

much

> better cook than I thought possible, and I've tried foods I didn't

> know. LOL

>

> And I'm not even the most experienced vegan on here, I'm sure.

Given

> a chance, you might find that we know about " vegan " because we live

> it.

>

> Finally, I want to point out that many things can

> sound " scientific " . I say that because my college major was

> chemistry. The way to really tell is to ask for sources, credible

> sources. What are the sources that back up er4yt? I do want to

> know, I'm not being facetious.

>

> , " Ron " <ron.zzxx@> wrote:

> >

> > i am not defending er4yt but who says it has been discredited,

by

> > rhetoric and demagoguery? by the vegan mob? have you read it? it

> > seems very scientific to me.

> >

> > , " jo " <jo.heartwork@> wrote:

> > >

> > > They have similar programmes here I believe. Tony Blackburn,

who

> is

> > > vegetarian, was on one, and he didn't succumb to eating any

> > animals, whereas

> > > Uri Geller did, of course.

> > >

> > > As the blood type diet has been discredited there doesn't seem

> much

> > point in

> > > keep mentioning it.

> > >

> > > Jo

> > >

> > > -

> > > " Ron " <ron.zzxx@>

> > >

> > > Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:11 PM

> > > Re: more on " man the hunted " if you're

> > interested

> > >

> > >

> > > > LOL.. they should do a vegan episode of " man vs. wild " .. (and

I

> > wonder

> > > > what blood type is the " man " ?)

> > > >

> > > > or a survival show where vegans are on an island maybe even

> > competing

> > > > with non-vegans..?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To send an email to -

> >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

well..congrats on getting out of the wheelchair!!

um..can i borrow it for awhile? physocal therapy is killing me!

tofuchick24 Sep 12, 2007 4:48 AM Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

 

 

Ron,First of all, I have NOT read er4yt, and I have made no comments against it. I do want to point out that the author wrote it to make money, whether he's right or not, I honestly don't know. But, you need to keep this man's agenda in mind, whatever it may be.Second of all, I am not really sure why you would use the term "vegan mob"? I may have missed it, but has anyone called you any names? Thirdly, you are talking with people who LIVE veganism. We, as a collective body, can tell you real benefits, pitfalls, and even ways to make it work for you. We don't have any agenda outside of a shared desire to protect helpless animals. I have had many health challenges, including five major surgeries and anemia that made my rbc drop to 4. I was also paralyzed and in a wheelchair for 6 years prior to becoming a vegan. I could change absolutely nothing except my diet. Six months after I went vegan I started getting the feeling back. I'm no longer in a wheelchair. I don't walk as much as I used to, but I can walk several blocks. This isn't a fluke, it's proveable medicine...I had specialists out the wazoo check me out. I was a "hopeless" case, the paralysis was "permanent". In fact, specialists from other cities flew in to check me out...just what I wanted "more tests"...lol not!! As far as I know, it's been written up in the New England Journal of Medicine.I never expected any health improvement from veganism, I did it purely for ethical reasons, so I was about as surprised as the medical experts that I started to heal. I don't miss eating out, I live in a predominately "steak house" enviro, and the smell just grosses me out. I've gotten to be a much better cook than I thought possible, and I've tried foods I didn't know. LOL And I'm not even the most experienced vegan on here, I'm sure. Given a chance, you might find that we know about "vegan" because we live it. Finally, I want to point out that many things can sound "scientific". I say that because my college major was chemistry. The way to really tell is to ask for sources, credible sources. What are the sources that back up er4yt? I do want to know, I'm not being facetious. , "Ron" <ron.zzxx wrote:>> i am not defending er4yt but who says it has been discredited, by > rhetoric and demagoguery? by the vegan mob? have you read it? it > seems very scientific to me.> > , "jo" <jo.heartwork@> wrote:> >> > They have similar programmes here I believe. Tony Blackburn, who is> > vegetarian, was on one, and he didn't succumb to eating any > animals, whereas> > Uri Geller did, of course.> > > > As the blood type diet has been discredited there doesn't seem much > point in> > keep mentioning it.> > > > Jo> > > > -> > "Ron" <ron.zzxx@>> > > > Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:11 PM> > Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're > interested> > > > > > > LOL.. they should do a vegan episode of "man vs. wild".. (and I > wonder> > > what blood type is the "man"?)> > >> > > or a survival show where vegans are on an island maybe even > competing> > > with non-vegans..?> > >> > >> > >> > > To send an email to -> > > >

[Guest guest]

What doesn't kill you... What kind do they have you in? They put me

into hydrotherapy, and forgot I couldn't stand up. Dumped me into the

deep end. Glad I could swim, and float. Scared the therapist, she

jumped in with her clothes on. LOL Water therapy might be easier on

you? You'll feel it later if you do too much though!

[Guest guest]

right now its electrical stimulation, and painful as hades exercises....

the electrical stimulation at first feels like pins and needles, but after 20 minutes feels like someone is taking a bat to my leg....

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

tofuchick24 Sep 12, 2007 11:14 AM Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

 

 

What doesn't kill you... What kind do they have you in? They put me into hydrotherapy, and forgot I couldn't stand up. Dumped me into the deep end. Glad I could swim, and float. Scared the therapist, she jumped in with her clothes on. LOL Water therapy might be easier on you? You'll feel it later if you do too much though!

 

 

 

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at all

Global warming, radio-active sites

Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?

Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea

Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions

Your dilemmas are my distractions

I never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed

And now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization

I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

[Guest guest]

Oh man I had that done. It hurts A LOT! At first they did it when I

couldn't feel, that was easy. But, later on, I was wondering why I'd

told anyone I could feel. You have my sympathy. Is this for nerve

damage? :::cringing at the memories:::

[Guest guest]

nerve damage and torn muscles

can't say its really much fun...but..anything to get off these dang crutches...and get out and about again...

tofuchick24 Sep 12, 2007 11:25 AM Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

 

 

Oh man I had that done. It hurts A LOT! At first they did it when I couldn't feel, that was easy. But, later on, I was wondering why I'd told anyone I could feel. You have my sympathy. Is this for nerve damage? :::cringing at the memories:::

 

 

 

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at all

Global warming, radio-active sites

Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?

Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea

Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions

Your dilemmas are my distractions

I never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed

And now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization

I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

[Guest guest]

Years ago, way before veganism, I actually ripped my calf muscle in

half...dangling foot the whole bit. I was advised by one of my

instructors, an RN, to eat protein with omega 3's at least 5 oz per day

(at the time I only knew of tuna), and to supplement with 500 mgs of

vit C with rosehips. The rosehips was important.

 

I had to wait a couple of months for a surgeon's appt, so during that

time I followed the regime. By the time the surgeon saw me the muscle

had completely regenerated. The surgeon had all of the tests results

prior to the visit so he knew the muscle wasn't connected initially.

The surgeon was shocked and I found out later that he contacted my

teacher concerning this.

 

If it happened now, I'd just go with tofu and flax. <grin> And the

supps of course.

 

Crutches bring back some horrible memories, you have my deepest

sympathy (or is that empathy?)

[Guest guest]

read some bad stuff about soy products months ago and have avoided

them since, here is the article.. it's long, three parts too.

 

http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm

 

and....:

 

http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?q=cinderella%20soy

 

, " tofuchick24 " <tofuchick

wrote:

>

> Years ago, way before veganism, I actually ripped my calf muscle in

> half...dangling foot the whole bit. I was advised by one of my

> instructors, an RN, to eat protein with omega 3's at least 5 oz per

day

> (at the time I only knew of tuna), and to supplement with 500 mgs

of

> vit C with rosehips. The rosehips was important.

>

> I had to wait a couple of months for a surgeon's appt, so during

that

> time I followed the regime. By the time the surgeon saw me the

muscle

> had completely regenerated. The surgeon had all of the tests

results

> prior to the visit so he knew the muscle wasn't connected

initially.

> The surgeon was shocked and I found out later that he contacted my

> teacher concerning this.

>

> If it happened now, I'd just go with tofu and flax. <grin> And

the

> supps of course.

>

> Crutches bring back some horrible memories, you have my deepest

> sympathy (or is that empathy?)

>

[Guest guest]

Ron, I believe the two women who wrote this are proponents of dairy -- and I'd assume that they in some way profit from the dairy industry.Ron <ron.zzxx wrote: read some bad stuff about soy products months ago and have avoided them since, here is the article.. it's long, three parts too.http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htmand....:http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?q=cinderella%20soy--- In , "tofuchick24" <tofuchick wrote:>> Years ago, way before veganism, I actually ripped my calf muscle in > half...dangling foot the whole bit. I was advised by one of my > instructors, an RN, to eat protein with omega 3's at least 5 oz per day > (at the time I only knew of tuna), and to supplement with 500 mgs of > vit C with rosehips. The rosehips was important. > > I had to wait a couple of months for a surgeon's appt, so during that > time I followed the regime. By the time the surgeon saw me the muscle > had completely regenerated. The surgeon had all of the tests results > prior to the visit so he knew the muscle

wasn't connected initially. > The surgeon was shocked and I found out later that he contacted my > teacher concerning this. > > If it happened now, I'd just go with tofu and flax. <grin> And the > supps of course. > > Crutches bring back some horrible memories, you have my deepest > sympathy (or is that empathy?) >

Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos.

[Guest guest]

Could be.. as one could say such in opposition to anything. I never

liked soy products anyway.. anything they have to flavor to get you

to like it.. tons of sugar and or salt.. you should question.. our

taste buds are important too. I'm sure some like the taste of

unflavored soy products though and that may mean they agree with you??

 

, " Tracy H. " <denise_h22 wrote:

>

> Ron, I believe the two women who wrote this are proponents of

dairy -- and I'd assume that they in some way profit from the dairy

industry.

>

> Ron <ron.zzxx wrote: read some bad stuff about soy

products months ago and have avoided

> them since, here is the article.. it's long, three parts too.

>

> http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm

>

> and....:

>

> http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?q=cinderella%20soy

>

> , " tofuchick24 " <tofuchick@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Years ago, way before veganism, I actually ripped my calf muscle

in

> > half...dangling foot the whole bit. I was advised by one of my

> > instructors, an RN, to eat protein with omega 3's at least 5 oz

per

> day

> > (at the time I only knew of tuna), and to supplement with 500 mgs

> of

> > vit C with rosehips. The rosehips was important.

> >

> > I had to wait a couple of months for a surgeon's appt, so during

> that

> > time I followed the regime. By the time the surgeon saw me the

> muscle

> > had completely regenerated. The surgeon had all of the tests

> results

> > prior to the visit so he knew the muscle wasn't connected

> initially.

> > The surgeon was shocked and I found out later that he contacted

my

> > teacher concerning this.

> >

> > If it happened now, I'd just go with tofu and flax. <grin> And

> the

> > supps of course.

> >

> > Crutches bring back some horrible memories, you have my deepest

> > sympathy (or is that empathy?)

> >

 

> Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with

Autos.

>

[Guest guest]

Did you do a lot of drugs when you were younger?Ron <ron.zzxx wrote: Could be.. as one could say such in opposition to anything. I never liked soy products anyway.. anything they have to flavor to get you to like it.. tons of sugar and or salt.. you should question.. our taste buds are important too. I'm sure some like the taste of unflavored soy products though and that may mean they agree with you?? , "Tracy H."

<denise_h22 wrote:>> Ron, I believe the two women who wrote this are proponents of dairy -- and I'd assume that they in some way profit from the dairy industry.> > Ron <ron.zzxx wrote: read some bad stuff about soy products months ago and have avoided > them since, here is the article.. it's long, three parts too.> > http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm> > and....:> > http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?q=cinderella%20soy> > , "tofuchick24" <tofuchick@> > wrote:> >> > Years ago, way before veganism, I actually ripped my calf muscle in

> > half...dangling foot the whole bit. I was advised by one of my > > instructors, an RN, to eat protein with omega 3's at least 5 oz per > day > > (at the time I only knew of tuna), and to supplement with 500 mgs > of > > vit C with rosehips. The rosehips was important. > > > > I had to wait a couple of months for a surgeon's appt, so during > that > > time I followed the regime. By the time the surgeon saw me the > muscle > > had completely regenerated. The surgeon had all of the tests > results > > prior to the visit so he knew the muscle wasn't connected > initially. > > The surgeon was shocked and I found out later that he contacted my > > teacher concerning this. > > > > If it happened now, I'd just go with tofu and flax. <grin> And > the > > supps of course.

> > > > Crutches bring back some horrible memories, you have my deepest > > sympathy (or is that empathy?) > >> > > > > > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos.>

Catch up on fall's hot new shows on TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more!

[Guest guest]

Fallon and Enig

*shudder*

Weston Price thugs.

"eat more FAT! you must eat raw dead meat!"

"Tracy H." Sep 13, 2007 8:12 AM Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

 

 

Ron, I believe the two women who wrote this are proponents of dairy -- and I'd assume that they in some way profit from the dairy industry.Ron <ron.zzxx > wrote:

 

read some bad stuff about soy products months ago and have avoided them since, here is the article.. it's long, three parts too.http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htmand....:http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?q=cinderella%20soy--- In , "tofuchick24" <tofuchick wrote:>> Years ago, way before veganism, I actually ripped my calf muscle in > half...dangling foot the whole bit. I was advised by one of my > instructors, an RN, to eat protein with omega 3's at least 5 oz per day > (at the time I only knew of tuna), and to supplement with 500 mgs of > vit C with rosehips. The rosehips was important. > > I had to wait a couple of months for a surgeon's appt, so during that > time I followed the regime. By the time the surgeon saw me the muscle > had completely regenerated. The surgeon had all of the tests results > prior to the visit so he knew the muscle wasn't connected initially. > The surgeon was shocked and I found out later that he contacted my > teacher concerning this. > > If it happened now, I'd just go with tofu and flax. <grin> And the > supps of course. > > Crutches bring back some horrible memories, you have my deepest > sympathy (or is that empathy?) >

 

 

Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos.

 

 

 

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at all

Global warming, radio-active sites

Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?

Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea

Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions

Your dilemmas are my distractions

I never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed

And now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization

I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

[Guest guest]

I happen to adore tofu, and eat it plain all the time....

Ron Sep 13, 2007 9:14 AM Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

 

 

Could be.. as one could say such in opposition to anything. I never liked soy products anyway.. anything they have to flavor to get you to like it.. tons of sugar and or salt.. you should question.. our taste buds are important too. I'm sure some like the taste of unflavored soy products though and that may mean they agree with you?? , "Tracy H." <denise_h22 wrote:>> Ron, I believe the two women who wrote this are proponents of dairy -- and I'd assume that they in some way profit from the dairy industry.> > Ron <ron.zzxx wrote: read some bad stuff about soy products months ago and have avoided > them since, here is the article.. it's long, three parts too.> > http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm> > and....:> > http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?q=cinderella%20soy> > , "tofuchick24" <tofuchick@> > wrote:> >> > Years ago, way before veganism, I actually ripped my calf muscle in > > half...dangling foot the whole bit. I was advised by one of my > > instructors, an RN, to eat protein with omega 3's at least 5 oz per > day > > (at the time I only knew of tuna), and to supplement with 500 mgs > of > > vit C with rosehips. The rosehips was important. > > > > I had to wait a couple of months for a surgeon's appt, so during > that > > time I followed the regime. By the time the surgeon saw me the > muscle > > had completely regenerated. The surgeon had all of the tests > results > > prior to the visit so he knew the muscle wasn't connected > initially. > > The surgeon was shocked and I found out later that he contacted my > > teacher concerning this. > > > > If it happened now, I'd just go with tofu and flax. <grin> And > the > > supps of course. > > > > Crutches bring back some horrible memories, you have my deepest > > sympathy (or is that empathy?) > >> > > > > > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos.>

 

 

 

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at all

Global warming, radio-active sites

Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?

Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea

Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions

Your dilemmas are my distractions

I never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed

And now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization

I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

[Guest guest]

What makes you think they add lots of sugar and salt to tofu? or is it

different in your country. Admittedly you can marinate tofu with various

flavours, but then most people do that with meat and fish as well - so no

advantage having meat, is there.

 

Jo

 

-

" Ron " <ron.zzxx

 

Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:14 PM

Re: more on " man the hunted " if you're interested

 

 

> Could be.. as one could say such in opposition to anything. I never

> liked soy products anyway.. anything they have to flavor to get you

> to like it.. tons of sugar and or salt.. you should question.. our

> taste buds are important too. I'm sure some like the taste of

> unflavored soy products though and that may mean they agree with you??

[Guest guest]



We have tofu maybe once a week, sometimes fairly plain, sometimes fried in herbs. We don't usually marinate it as I'm supposed to be careful with salt. It is very nice fried with a full breakfast. One of my email friends who works for the Vegan Society eats tofu every day and looks extremely healthy on it.

 

Jo

 

 

-

fraggle

Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:06 PM

Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

I happen to adore tofu, and eat it plain all the time....

 

[Guest guest]

we prolly have tofu 3 times a week..maybe more on certain weeks

i'll often eat it straight out of the package while cooking with it

sadly, my fave tasting tofu, small planet, is harder to find around here the last year. i think Rainbow is the only place i've seen it lately. and just can't make it over to rainbow that often.

 

jo Sep 13, 2007 11:20 AM Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

 

 

 We have tofu maybe once a week, sometimes fairly plain, sometimes fried in herbs. We don't usually marinate it as I'm supposed to be careful with salt. It is very nice fried with a full breakfast. One of my email friends who works for the Vegan Society eats tofu every day and looks extremely healthy on it.

 

Jo

 

 

-

fraggle

Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:06 PM

Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

I happen to adore tofu, and eat it plain all the time....

 

 

 

 

 

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at all

Global warming, radio-active sites

Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?

Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea

Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions

Your dilemmas are my distractions

I never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed

And now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization

I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

[Guest guest]



We usually get the basic tofu, although Peter had a braised tofu once which was very tasty, and a different texture. It's a shame about your favourite.

 

Jo

 

 

-

fraggle

Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:25 PM

Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

we prolly have tofu 3 times a week..maybe more on certain weeks

i'll often eat it straight out of the package while cooking with it

sadly, my fave tasting tofu, small planet, is harder to find around here the last year. i think Rainbow is the only place i've seen it lately. and just can't make it over to rainbow that often.

 

jo Sep 13, 2007 11:20 AM Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

 

 

 We have tofu maybe once a week, sometimes fairly plain, sometimes fried in herbs. We don't usually marinate it as I'm supposed to be careful with salt. It is very nice fried with a full breakfast. One of my email friends who works for the Vegan Society eats tofu every day and looks extremely healthy on it.

 

Jo

 

 

-

fraggle

Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:06 PM

Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

I happen to adore tofu, and eat it plain all the time....

 

 

 

 

 

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at all

Global warming, radio-active sites

Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?

Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea

Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions

Your dilemmas are my distractions

I never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed

And now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization

I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

[Guest guest]

rebecca is really into some braised tofu's she purchases on a regular basis

i tend to like em plain and flavor em up meself

tis ok, there's a really good tofu we pruchase at the farmers market....

the only drawback is it literally has a shelf life of 2, maybe 3 days at the most...

generally we purchase WildWood brand made up in San Rafael

 

jo Sep 13, 2007 11:29 AM Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

 

 

 We usually get the basic tofu, although Peter had a braised tofu once which was very tasty, and a different texture. It's a shame about your favourite.

 

Jo

 

 

-

fraggle

Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:25 PM

Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

we prolly have tofu 3 times a week..maybe more on certain weeks

i'll often eat it straight out of the package while cooking with it

sadly, my fave tasting tofu, small planet, is harder to find around here the last year. i think Rainbow is the only place i've seen it lately. and just can't make it over to rainbow that often.

 

jo Sep 13, 2007 11:20 AM Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

 

 

 We have tofu maybe once a week, sometimes fairly plain, sometimes fried in herbs. We don't usually marinate it as I'm supposed to be careful with salt. It is very nice fried with a full breakfast. One of my email friends who works for the Vegan Society eats tofu every day and looks extremely healthy on it.

 

Jo

 

 

-

fraggle

Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:06 PM

Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

I happen to adore tofu, and eat it plain all the time....

 

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at all

Global warming, radio-active sites

Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?

Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea

Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions

Your dilemmas are my distractions

I never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed

And now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization

I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

 

 

 

 

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at all

Global warming, radio-active sites

Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?

Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea

Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions

Your dilemmas are my distractions

I never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed

And now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization

I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry but you're about two sandwiches short of a picknick aren't

you? If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!

 

, " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote:

>

> What makes you think they add lots of sugar and salt to tofu? or is it

> different in your country. Admittedly you can marinate tofu with

various

> flavours, but then most people do that with meat and fish as well -

so no

> advantage having meat, is there.

>

> Jo

>

> -

> " Ron " <ron.zzxx

>

> Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:14 PM

> Re: more on " man the hunted " if you're interested

>

>

> > Could be.. as one could say such in opposition to anything. I never

> > liked soy products anyway.. anything they have to flavor to get you

> > to like it.. tons of sugar and or salt.. you should question.. our

> > taste buds are important too. I'm sure some like the taste of

> > unflavored soy products though and that may mean they agree with you??

>

[Guest guest]

Congratulations Ron

you are the first person i've EVER placed on moderation in this group.

Now, lets all stop with the insinuations, name calling, etc

people are allowed to disagree, tis nature after all, but sorry kiddo, this sorta behavior isn't okily dokily....

if you have questions, fine

if you have this to discuss, fine

but,

a. jo is a moderator...

b. the one note of the blood type diet isn't appealing to anyone but you my man

c. move on to another topic please

4. play nice

5. for my lonely and

6 for my sorrow and

7 for no tomorrow and

8 I forget what 8 was for and

9 for a lost God and

10 10 10 10 for everything

Ron Sep 13, 2007 12:40 PM Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

 

 

I'm sorry but you're about two sandwiches short of a picknick aren'tyou? If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch! , "jo" <jo.heartwork wrote:>> What makes you think they add lots of sugar and salt to tofu? or is it> different in your country. Admittedly you can marinate tofu withvarious> flavours, but then most people do that with meat and fish as well -so no> advantage having meat, is there.> > Jo> > -> "Ron" <ron.zzxx> > Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:14 PM> Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested> > > > Could be.. as one could say such in opposition to anything. I never> > liked soy products anyway.. anything they have to flavor to get you> > to like it.. tons of sugar and or salt.. you should question.. our> > taste buds are important too. I'm sure some like the taste of> > unflavored soy products though and that may mean they agree with you??>

 

 

 

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at all

Global warming, radio-active sites

Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?

Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea

Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions

Your dilemmas are my distractions

I never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed

And now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization

I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

[Guest guest]

Hey Ron, cut that crap out will you, name calling aint big or clever, a bit like your understanding of vegan food . lots of salt & sugar in tofu? do you even know whats in tofu?

Peter H

 

 

Ron <ron.zzxx Sent: Thursday, 13 September, 2007 8:40:38 PM Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

I'm sorry but you're about two sandwiches short of a picknick aren'tyou? If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!@gro ups.com, "jo" <jo.heartwork@ ...> wrote:>> What makes you think they add lots of sugar and salt to tofu? or is it> different in your country. Admittedly you can marinate tofu withvarious> flavours, but then most people do that with meat and fish as well -so no> advantage having meat, is there.> > Jo> > -> "Ron" <ron.zzxx@.. .>> <@gro ups.com>> Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:14 PM> Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested>

> > > Could be.. as one could say such in opposition to anything. I never> > liked soy products anyway.. anything they have to flavor to get you> > to like it.. tons of sugar and or salt.. you should question.. our> > taste buds are important too. I'm sure some like the taste of> > unflavored soy products though and that may mean they agree with you??>

For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month.

[Guest guest]

The only braised tofu I have seen comes ina can in the health food shops. It costs 2 quid a small tin, so needless to say I havent tried it yet!

I only eat tofu/beancurd about 1 or twice a fortnight from the chinese takeaway.

 

The Valley Vegan...............

Peter H

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Thursday, 13 September, 2007 7:47:14 PMRe: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

 

rebecca is really into some braised tofu's she purchases on a regular basis

i tend to like em plain and flavor em up meself

tis ok, there's a really good tofu we pruchase at the farmers market....

the only drawback is it literally has a shelf life of 2, maybe 3 days at the most...

generally we purchase WildWood brand made up in San Rafael

 

jo Sep 13, 2007 11:29 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

 

 

 We usually get the basic tofu, although Peter had a braised tofu once which was very tasty, and a different texture. It's a shame about your favourite.

 

Jo

 

 

-

fraggle

@gro ups.com

Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:25 PM

Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

we prolly have tofu 3 times a week..maybe more on certain weeks

i'll often eat it straight out of the package while cooking with it

sadly, my fave tasting tofu, small planet, is harder to find around here the last year. i think Rainbow is the only place i've seen it lately. and just can't make it over to rainbow that often.

 

jo Sep 13, 2007 11:20 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

 

 

 We have tofu maybe once a week, sometimes fairly plain, sometimes fried in herbs. We don't usually marinate it as I'm supposed to be careful with salt. It is very nice fried with a full breakfast. One of my email friends who works for the Vegan Society eats tofu every day and looks extremely healthy on it.

 

Jo

 

 

-

fraggle

@gro ups.com

Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:06 PM

Re: Re: more on "man the hunted" if you're interested

 

I happen to adore tofu, and eat it plain all the time....

 

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at all

Global warming, radio-active sites

Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?

Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea

Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions

Your dilemmas are my distractions

I never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed

And now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization

I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

 

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at all

Global warming, radio-active sites

Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?

Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea

Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions

Your dilemmas are my distractions

I never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed

And now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization

I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try

it now.

[Guest guest]

well she started it... LOL

The reference was to soy products (i.e. soy milk, soy sauce).

Hey I'm only defending myself (mumbles incoherently)

 

, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> Hey Ron, cut that crap out will you, name calling aint big or

clever, a bit like your understanding of vegan food . lots of salt &

sugar in tofu? do you even know whats in tofu?

>

> Peter H

>

>

>

>

>

> Ron <ron.zzxx

>

> Thursday, 13 September, 2007 8:40:38 PM

> Re: more on " man the hunted " if you're

interested

>

> I'm sorry but you're about two sandwiches short of a picknick aren't

> you? If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!

>

> @gro ups.com, " jo " <jo.heartwork@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > What makes you think they add lots of sugar and salt to tofu? or

is it

> > different in your country. Admittedly you can marinate tofu with

> various

> > flavours, but then most people do that with meat and fish as

well -

> so no

> > advantage having meat, is there.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > -

> > " Ron " <ron.zzxx@ .>

> > <@gro ups.com>

> > Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:14 PM

> > Re: more on " man the hunted " if you're

interested

> >

> >

> > > Could be.. as one could say such in opposition to anything. I

never

> > > liked soy products anyway.. anything they have to flavor to get

you

> > > to like it.. tons of sugar and or salt.. you should question..

our

> > > taste buds are important too. I'm sure some like the taste of

> > > unflavored soy products though and that may mean they agree

with you??

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