Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Spices with preservatives and sodium? Where do you live and shop? What about just plain cumin? Oregano? Chili powder? Fennel or anise seed? Are you distinguishing between spices and herbs? Can you buy fresh cilantro or whole garlic where you live? There are definitely organic spices here in Berkeley, but maybe not where you live/shop. Do you have a natural food store anywhere? Spices are not always necessary, thought I love cooking with them. However, I have really enjoyed the taste of fresh-squeezed lemon on my food. Whoever it was seeking raw recipes, I found this site with tons of recipes: http://www.living-foods.com/recipes/ Marcy - hacktorious Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:33 AM Re: Braggs It depends on the spices. I think if they are home made they are OK.I have not seen any that are organic, but they would probably befine. Many of the spices I have seen have preservatives and are highin sodium. , "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork wrote:>> What do you think is wrong with using spices?> > Jo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Hi all- This is from the “for what’s it worth” department. I have had different kinds of cancer, including colon, endometrial, and breast cancer. Due to the recent discussion about soy products and breast cancer, I did call my oncologist’s nurse and ask her to check IF I should be eating soy, how much if allowed, etc. This is what she told me: Soy taken in food as a part of meals is not a problem. Doctors advise breast cancer survivors not to take soy supplements. There is disagreement about whether or not the phytoestrogens in soy contribute to cancer in estrogen related breast cancer. Some studies say that soy products with these phytoestrogens actually help prevent breast cancer in some patients and other studies say it may promote breast cancer in other patients. She is giving me both articles for the “soy may prevent cancer” study and the “soy may contribute to cancer” side when I see her soon. She said told me to enjoy my soy sausage links. Of course, go with whatever your doctor says. My hunch is that your doctor won’t agree with mine, mine won’t agree with someone elses’, and etc. Meanwhile, given the nurse’s blessings, I will just continue to eat the soy foods I adore. Cynthia On Behalf Of heartwerk Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:44 AM Re: Braggs You won't be buying any what? If it is the meat industry funding the campaign against soya, and there is nothing wrong with soya, then why not buy it? Jo , " hacktorious " <hacktorious wrote: > > That does make sense. I won't be buying any. Thanks. > > , " metalscarab " <metalscarab@> wrote: > > > > Hi Tracy > > > > It is funded and put out by the meat industry, and is very cleverly > worded, > > so as to not actually be untrue. What they highlight is the > > " phyto-oestrogens " (sp?) which exist in soy. They then state that phyto > > oestrogens are a bit like oestrogen. They then go on to state that > very high > > levels of oestrogen in the body are bad for you. Thereby they lead > you down > > a path which makes it appear as though the phyto-oestrogens in soy > are bad > > for you... however, they take three major steps which are completely > > unrelated to do so - there is no actual evidence that soy is bad for you > > (except in huge quantities, much like any other food!), merely that it > > contains some elements which are a bit like some other elements > which can be > > bad if they exist in too high quantity in your body! > > > > Hope that all makes sense! > > > > BB > > Peter > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2007 I won't be buying any Braggs because it sounds like nothing but preservatives.Sorry to hear about the cancer Cynthia. I hope you get well soon. As far as the soy controversy goes, my personal opinion is that it does contribute to cancer, but helps prevent. I did read up on both sides, and the pro side seems more convincing to me. That is just my opinion though. One problem is that science doesn't have all the answers right now. It seems some of the tests were done on animals (rats). I don't have any faith on animal tests, they are a different species. Things, which may be a problem, or cure for one species, may not be for another. I found a really good article on the internet. I will see if I can dig it up tomorrow at work and send the link.-- Scottwww.HikeHaven.com www.AntiFuel.comMinds are like parachutes, they only function when they are open.On 7/19/07, ckg < cynthiaandtheothers wrote: Hi all- This is from the "for what's it worth" department. I have had different kinds of cancer, including colon, endometrial, and breast cancer. Due to the recent discussion about soy products and breast cancer, I did call my oncologist's nurse and ask her to check IF I should be eating soy, how much if allowed, etc. This is what she told me: Soy taken in food as a part of meals is not a problem. Doctors advise breast cancer survivors not to take soy supplements. There is disagreement about whether or not the phytoestrogens in soy contribute to cancer in estrogen related breast cancer. Some studies say that soy products with these phytoestrogens actually help prevent breast cancer in some patients and other studies say it may promote breast cancer in other patients. She is giving me both articles for the "soy may prevent cancer" study and the "soy may contribute to cancer" side when I see her soon. She said told me to enjoy my soy sausage links. Of course, go with whatever your doctor says. My hunch is that your doctor won't agree with mine, mine won't agree with someone elses', and etc. Meanwhile, given the nurse's blessings, I will just continue to eat the soy foods I adore. Cynthia @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of heartwerk Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:44 AM Re: Braggs You won't be buying any what? If it is the meat industry funding the campaign against soya, and there is nothing wrong with soya, then why not buy it? Jo , " hacktorious " <hacktorious wrote: > > That does make sense. I won't be buying any. Thanks. > > , " metalscarab " <metalscarab@> wrote: > > > > Hi Tracy > > > > It is funded and put out by the meat industry, and is very cleverly > worded, > > so as to not actually be untrue. What they highlight is the > > " phyto-oestrogens " (sp?) which exist in soy. They then state that phyto > > oestrogens are a bit like oestrogen. They then go on to state that > very high > > levels of oestrogen in the body are bad for you. Thereby they lead > you down > > a path which makes it appear as though the phyto-oestrogens in soy > are bad > > for you... however, they take three major steps which are completely > > unrelated to do so - there is no actual evidence that soy is bad for you > > (except in huge quantities, much like any other food!), merely that it > > contains some elements which are a bit like some other elements > which can be > > bad if they exist in too high quantity in your body! > > > > Hope that all makes sense! > > > > BB > > Peter > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2007 How would you make your own spices? Jo , " hacktorious " <hacktorious wrote: > > It depends on the spices. I think if they are home made they are OK. > I have not seen any that are organic, but they would probably be > fine. Many of the spices I have seen have preservatives and are high > in sodium. > > , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > > > > What do you think is wrong with using spices? > > > > Jo > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2007 Hy Cynthia I would agree with the idea of not taking soy supplements when you have had estrogen related breast cancer, but I think it good to include some soy, and other plants for phytoestrogens to help keep you healthy. Jo , " ckg " <cynthiaandtheothers wrote: > > Hi all- > > > > This is from the " for what's it worth " department. > > > > I have had different kinds of cancer, including colon, endometrial, and > breast cancer. Due to the recent discussion about soy products and breast > cancer, I did call my oncologist's nurse and ask her to check IF I should be > eating soy, how much if allowed, etc. This is what she told me: > > > > 1. Soy taken in food as a part of meals is not a problem. Doctors > advise breast cancer survivors not to take soy supplements. > 2. There is disagreement about whether or not the phytoestrogens in soy > contribute to cancer in estrogen related breast cancer. Some studies say > that soy products with these phytoestrogens actually help prevent breast > cancer in some patients and other studies say it may promote breast cancer > in other patients. > 3. She is giving me both articles for the " soy may prevent cancer " > study and the " soy may contribute to cancer " side when I see her soon. > 4. She said told me to enjoy my soy sausage links. > > > > Of course, go with whatever your doctor says. My hunch is that your doctor > won't agree with mine, mine won't agree with someone elses', and etc. > Meanwhile, given the nurse's blessings, I will just continue to eat the soy > foods I adore. > > > > Cynthia > > > > > > _____ > > On > Behalf Of heartwerk > Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:44 AM > > Re: Braggs > > > > You won't be buying any what? > > If it is the meat industry funding the campaign against soya, and > there is nothing wrong with soya, then why not buy it? > > Jo > > @gro <%40> ups.com, > " hacktorious " <hacktorious@> > wrote: > > > > That does make sense. I won't be buying any. Thanks. > > > > @gro <%40> ups.com, > " metalscarab " <metalscarab@> > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Tracy > > > > > > It is funded and put out by the meat industry, and is very > cleverly > > worded, > > > so as to not actually be untrue. What they highlight is the > > > " phyto-oestrogens " (sp?) which exist in soy. They then state that > phyto > > > oestrogens are a bit like oestrogen. They then go on to state that > > very high > > > levels of oestrogen in the body are bad for you. Thereby they lead > > you down > > > a path which makes it appear as though the phyto-oestrogens in soy > > are bad > > > for you... however, they take three major steps which are > completely > > > unrelated to do so - there is no actual evidence that soy is bad > for you > > > (except in huge quantities, much like any other food!), merely > that it > > > contains some elements which are a bit like some other elements > > which can be > > > bad if they exist in too high quantity in your body! > > > > > > Hope that all makes sense! > > > > > > BB > > > Peter > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2007 With my garden, and my dehydrator. , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > How would you make your own spices? > > Jo > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2007 Yes, I guess I was thinking herbs and spices were the same thing. I might be able to find organic. We have a Whole Foods near by. I just for some reason always thought spices were unhealthy. Perhaps I am not correct in my thinking. I am certain I can get garlic, and cilantro. I just got my " Raw Gourmet " book in the mail yesterday. It looks like it has some great recipes, but I don't know what a lot of the ingredients are........lol I guess that is how you learn.....lol , " Marcy " <imgreen03 wrote: > > Spices with preservatives and sodium? Where do you live and shop? > > What about just plain cumin? Oregano? Chili powder? Fennel or anise seed? > > Are you distinguishing between spices and herbs? Can you buy fresh cilantro or whole garlic where you live? > > There are definitely organic spices here in Berkeley, but maybe not where you live/shop. > > Do you have a natural food store anywhere? > > Spices are not always necessary, thought I love cooking with them. However, I have really enjoyed the taste of fresh-squeezed lemon on my food. > > Whoever it was seeking raw recipes, I found this site with tons of recipes: > http://www.living-foods.com/recipes/ > > Marcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2007 Thanks, Jo. At least now I can eat the soy foods I adore without worrying about it. The nurse was actually happy to hear that I rely on soy foods because, well, there are BOATLOADS of info out there on how meat consumption is not good for cancer survivors. Cyn -------------- Original message -------------- "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork Hy CynthiaI would agree with the idea of not taking soy supplements when you have had estrogen related breast cancer, but I think it good to include some soy, and other plants for phytoestrogens to help keep you healthy.Jo , "ckg" <cynthiaandtheothers wrote:>> Hi all-> > > > This is from the "for what's it worth" department.> > > > I have had different kinds of cancer, including colon, endometrial, and> breast cancer. Due to the recent discussion about soy products and breast> cancer, I did call my oncologist's nurse and ask her to check IF I should be> eating soy, how much if allowed, etc. This is what she told me:> > > > 1. Soy taken in food as a part of meals is not a problem. Doctors> advise bre ast cancer survivors not to take soy supplements.> 2. There is disagreement about whether or not the phytoestrogens in soy> contribute to cancer in estrogen related breast cancer. Some studies say> that soy products with these phytoestrogens actually help prevent breast> cancer in some patients and other studies say it may promote breast cancer> in other patients.> 3. She is giving me both articles for the "soy may prevent cancer"> study and the "soy may contribute to cancer" side when I see her soon.> 4. She said told me to enjoy my soy sausage links.> > > > Of course, go with whatever your doctor says. My hunch is that your doctor> won't agree with mine, mine won't agree with someone elses', and etc.> Meanwhile, given the nurse's blessings, I will just continue to eat the soy> foods I adore.>C. .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2007 Thanks, Scott. I am actually very healthy for a cancer survivor. I am also "lucky" (?) in that the type of cancer in our family that comes from a gene variation is easily (?) treated with surgery only - with no dreaded chemo or radiation necessary. My father's father, father's mother, father, father's brother and I all have this gene variation. My father is 85 years old, has had multiple surgeries (6 different kinds of cancer!) like me, is cancer - free, and a nasty SOB. Go figure. I told him once that I would have rather had his money instead. I think I am out of the Will. On the Soy front, I am relieved that the oncologist's nurse was okay with soy based foods, but not with supplements, which I do not take anyway. Be interested in the article if you can find it just because on the cancer front, any information - proven or not, assists one in making life's decisions. Cyn 8) -------------- Original message -------------- Scott <hacktorious I won't be buying any Braggs because it sounds like nothing but preservatives.Sorry to hear about the cancer Cynthia. I hope you get well soon. As far as the soy controversy goes, my personal opinion is that it does contribute to cancer, but helps prevent. I did read up on both sides, and the pro side seems more convincing to me. That is just my opinion though. One problem is that science doesn't have all the answers right now. It seems some of the tests were done on animals (rats). I don't have any faith on animal tests, they are a different species. Things, which may be a problem, or cure for one species, may not be for another. I found a really good article on the internet. I will see if I can dig it up tomorrow at work and send the link.-- Scottww w.HikeHaven.comwww.AntiFuel.comMinds are like parachutes, they only function when they are open. .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2007 Hy Cynthia I think meat consumption is bad for most health problems. Godo luck with your health. Jo , cynthiaandtheothers wrote: > > Thanks, Jo. At least now I can eat the soy foods I adore without worrying about it. The nurse was actually happy to hear that I rely on soy foods because, well, there are BOATLOADS of info out there on how meat consumption is not good for cancer survivors. > > Cyn > > -------------- Original message -------------- > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork > Hy Cynthia > > I would agree with the idea of not taking soy supplements when you > have had estrogen related breast cancer, but I think it good to > include some soy, and other plants for phytoestrogens to help keep > you healthy. > > Jo > > , " ckg " <cynthiaandtheothers@> > wrote: > > > > Hi all- > > > > > > > > This is from the " for what's it worth " department. > > > > > > > > I have had different kinds of cancer, including colon, endometrial, > and > > breast cancer. Due to the recent discussion about soy products and > breast > > cancer, I did call my oncologist's nurse and ask her to check IF I > should be > > eating soy, how much if allowed, etc. This is what she told me: > > > > > > > > 1. Soy taken in food as a part of meals is not a problem. > Doctors > > advise breast cancer survivors not to take soy supplements. > > 2. There is disagreement about whether or not the phytoestrogens > in soy > > contribute to cancer in estrogen related breast cancer. Some > studies say > > that soy products with these phytoestrogens actually help prevent > breast > > cancer in some patients and other studies say it may promote breast > cancer > > in other patients. > > 3. She is giving me both articles for the " soy may prevent > cancer " > > study and the " soy may contribute to cancer " side when I see her > soon. > > 4. She said told me to enjoy my soy sausage links. > > > > > > > > Of course, go with whatever your doctor says. My hunch is that > your doctor > > won't agree with mine, mine won't agree with someone elses', and > etc. > > Meanwhile, given the nurse's blessings, I will just continue to eat > the soy > > foods I adore. > >C.Recent Activity > 3New Members > Visit Your Group > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2007 Can you grow many spices? I think it's probably too cold here for us to do that. It would be nice though. Jo , " hacktorious " <hacktorious wrote: > > With my garden, and my dehydrator. > > , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > > > > How would you make your own spices? > > > > Jo > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2007 I imagine so. Where do you live? I am in Virginia, USA. , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > Can you grow many spices? I think it's probably too cold here for us > to do that. It would be nice though. > > Jo > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2007 Can you grow peppers? If so, you can make your own paprika and cayenne. I'm planning to dry and grind some of my hot peppers this year. Garlic is easy to grow, too. Coriander is the seed of the cilantro plant, which is easy to grow here (if you can protect it from the snails and slugs). Other seeds that grow here are dill and fennel. Cinnamon, nutmeg, cardamom, etc. come from tropical trees, but bay leaves grow here -- both the mediterranean and the native bay tree. At 3:37 PM +0000 7/23/07, heartwerk wrote: >Can you grow many spices? I think it's probably too cold here for us >to do that. It would be nice though. > >Jo > > , " hacktorious " <hacktorious >wrote: >> >> With my garden, and my dehydrator. >> >> , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> wrote: >> > >> > How would you make your own spices? >> > >> > Jo >> > >> > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2007 Hi there, There are some who believe spices are not good for you. Most rawfoodists who follow a Natural Hygeine way of life feel that anything not in its natual state, anything concentrated, or anything that acts as a stimulant is not good for the body. Onion and garlic are sometimes avoided for the same reason. Some NH'ers will not use salt, olive oil or Nama Shoyu (soy sauce) either. I guess it's also sometimes called High-Raw eating. I used to belong to a raw group online that was made up of mostly NH'ers - some didn't use soap when bathing, believing the body to only need water to cleanse it, they eschewed juicing because it separates the fiber from the rest of the fruit or veg and would no longer be in its natural state. Some of them wouldn't even eat smoothies, since that was breaking down the food, and you wouldn't be using your teeth and jaws to eat the food as you were designed to. Very interesting stuff, but close to impossible to attain in our modern society, I think. Jolene , " hacktorious " <hacktorious wrote: > > Yes, I guess I was thinking herbs and spices were the same thing. > > I might be able to find organic. We have a Whole Foods near by. I > just for some reason always thought spices were unhealthy. Perhaps I > am not correct in my thinking. > > I am certain I can get garlic, and cilantro. > > I just got my " Raw Gourmet " book in the mail yesterday. It looks like > it has some great recipes, but I don't know what a lot of the > ingredients are........lol I guess that is how you learn.....lol > > , " Marcy " <imgreen03@> wrote: > > > > Spices with preservatives and sodium? Where do you live and shop? > > > > What about just plain cumin? Oregano? Chili powder? Fennel or > anise seed? > > > > Are you distinguishing between spices and herbs? Can you buy fresh > cilantro or whole garlic where you live? > > > > There are definitely organic spices here in Berkeley, but maybe not > where you live/shop. > > > > Do you have a natural food store anywhere? > > > > Spices are not always necessary, thought I love cooking with them. > However, I have really enjoyed the taste of fresh-squeezed lemon on my > food. > > > > Whoever it was seeking raw recipes, I found this site with tons of > recipes: > > http://www.living-foods.com/recipes/ > > > > Marcy > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2007 What the body is designed to do. That is a very interesting topic. I have been studying this for the past month. I have read dozens science articles and am still learning every time I read another. This is actually the subject, which sparked my interest in raw veganism. Some say we were designed to be carnivore's, other's claim herbivorous, and yet other's claim fruitivours. I read a very interesting article today, which explained that we were designed to be carnivore's because of the vitamin B12 issue. Then it went on to discuss that Agriculture is one of the things changing the genetic structure of humans. I am not convinced the human body cannot get vitamin B12 from some sort of plant source. Maybe it is in the inter tree bark of some sort of tree, which our ancestors gorged themselves on. Thus, creating a dependency for this vitamin in our genes, or maybe it was meat; who knows? The fact of the matter is we don't really know. What we do know is that commercial meat production is horrible and abusive to animals.I hope I didn't offend anyone............ -- Scottwww.HikeHaven.com www.AntiFuel.comMinds are like parachutes, they only function when they are open.On 7/23/07, jmaine37 <zuzu37 wrote: Hi there, There are some who believe spices are not good for you. Most rawfoodists who follow a Natural Hygeine way of life feel that anything not in its natual state, anything concentrated, or anything that acts as a stimulant is not good for the body. Onion and garlic are sometimes avoided for the same reason. Some NH'ers will not use salt, olive oil or Nama Shoyu (soy sauce) either. I guess it's also sometimes called High-Raw eating. I used to belong to a raw group online that was made up of mostly NH'ers - some didn't use soap when bathing, believing the body to only need water to cleanse it, they eschewed juicing because it separates the fiber from the rest of the fruit or veg and would no longer be in its natural state. Some of them wouldn't even eat smoothies, since that was breaking down the food, and you wouldn't be using your teeth and jaws to eat the food as you were designed to. Very interesting stuff, but close to impossible to attain in our modern society, I think. Jolene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2007 Vitamin b-12 is produced by bacteria that live in the soil. That's where cows, monkeys and apes, and people who don't wash their fruits and vegetables get it from. In the modern overhygienic antibacterial-saturated world, most of us no longer eat enough dirt. At 10:12 PM -0400 7/23/07, Scott wrote: I am not convinced the human body cannot get vitamin B12 from some sort of plant source. Maybe it is in the inter tree bark of some sort of tree, which our ancestors gorged themselves on. Thus, creating a dependency for this vitamin in our genes, or maybe it was meat; who knows? The fact of the matter is we don't really know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2007 I have heard both sides of that. I have read articles stating that is just a rumor and test's have been done to disprove that. However, I don't know if the sources are reliable,as I am just reading this info on the internet. Do cows and monkeys actually need vitamin b12? I was not aware of that. But that is why I joined this group; so I can learn.....lol Thanks. , yarrow wrote: > > Vitamin b-12 is produced by bacteria that live in the soil. That's > where cows, monkeys and apes, and people who don't wash their fruits > and vegetables get it from. In the modern overhygienic > antibacterial-saturated world, most of us no longer eat enough dirt. > > > At 10:12 PM -0400 7/23/07, Scott wrote: > I am not convinced the human body cannot get vitamin B12 from some > sort of plant source. Maybe it is in the inter tree bark of some > sort of tree, which our ancestors gorged themselves on. Thus, > creating a dependency for this vitamin in our genes, or maybe it was > meat; who knows? The fact of the matter is we don't really know. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2007 I'm in the UK - which spices would you grow, or do you mean herbs? Jo , " hacktorious " <hacktorious wrote: > > I imagine so. > > Where do you live? I am in Virginia, USA. > > , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > > > > Can you grow many spices? I think it's probably too cold here for us > > to do that. It would be nice though. > > > > Jo > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2007 I haven't had a lot of success with peppers but I do have coriander seed and bay leaves, but not the rest. Jo , yarrow wrote: > > Can you grow peppers? If so, you can make your own paprika and > cayenne. I'm planning to dry and grind some of my hot peppers this > year. > > Garlic is easy to grow, too. > > Coriander is the seed of the cilantro plant, which is easy to grow > here (if you can protect it from the snails and slugs). Other seeds > that grow here are dill and fennel. > > Cinnamon, nutmeg, cardamom, etc. come from tropical trees, but bay > leaves grow here -- both the mediterranean and the native bay tree. > > > > At 3:37 PM +0000 7/23/07, heartwerk wrote: > >Can you grow many spices? I think it's probably too cold here for us > >to do that. It would be nice though. > > > >Jo > > > > , " hacktorious " <hacktorious@> > >wrote: > >> > >> With my garden, and my dehydrator. > >> > >> , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > >> > > >> > How would you make your own spices? > >> > > >> > Jo > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2007 I find it stramge though as most spices have some medicinal effect. Jo , " jmaine37 " <zuzu37 wrote: > > Hi there, > > There are some who believe spices are not good for you. Most > rawfoodists who follow a Natural Hygeine way of life feel that > anything not in its natual state, anything concentrated, or anything > that acts as a stimulant is not good for the body. Onion and garlic > are sometimes avoided for the same reason. Some NH'ers will not use > salt, olive oil or Nama Shoyu (soy sauce) either. I guess it's also > sometimes called High-Raw eating. I used to belong to a raw group > online that was made up of mostly NH'ers - some didn't use soap when > bathing, believing the body to only need water to cleanse it, they > eschewed juicing because it separates the fiber from the rest of the > fruit or veg and would no longer be in its natural state. Some of > them wouldn't even eat smoothies, since that was breaking down the > food, and you wouldn't be using your teeth and jaws to eat the food > as you were designed to. > Very interesting stuff, but close to impossible to attain in our > modern society, I think. > > Jolene > > > , " hacktorious " <hacktorious@> > wrote: > > > > Yes, I guess I was thinking herbs and spices were the same thing. > > > > I might be able to find organic. We have a Whole Foods near by. I > > just for some reason always thought spices were unhealthy. > Perhaps I > > am not correct in my thinking. > > > > I am certain I can get garlic, and cilantro. > > > > I just got my " Raw Gourmet " book in the mail yesterday. It looks > like > > it has some great recipes, but I don't know what a lot of the > > ingredients are........lol I guess that is how you learn.....lol > > > > , " Marcy " <imgreen03@> wrote: > > > > > > Spices with preservatives and sodium? Where do you live and > shop? > > > > > > What about just plain cumin? Oregano? Chili powder? Fennel or > > anise seed? > > > > > > Are you distinguishing between spices and herbs? Can you buy > fresh > > cilantro or whole garlic where you live? > > > > > > There are definitely organic spices here in Berkeley, but maybe > not > > where you live/shop. > > > > > > Do you have a natural food store anywhere? > > > > > > Spices are not always necessary, thought I love cooking with > them. > > However, I have really enjoyed the taste of fresh-squeezed lemon > on my > > food. > > > > > > Whoever it was seeking raw recipes, I found this site with tons > of > > recipes: > > > http://www.living-foods.com/recipes/ > > > > > > Marcy > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2007 Vitamin B cannot be assimilated from any vegetable sources. It is easy to take in supplement form, the B12 being grown from the bacteria. It seems to be straightforward to me, but a lot of people dither over it. If a person eschewed all modern living I could understand it. It seems strange to forego a necessary supplement for no other reason that it is not something you can get from nature unless you eat dirt. Jo , Scott <hacktorious wrote: > > What the body is designed to do. That is a very interesting topic. I have > been studying this for the past month. I have read dozens science articles > and am still learning every time I read another. This is actually the > subject, which sparked my interest in raw veganism. > > Some say we were designed to be carnivore's, other's claim herbivorous, and > yet other's claim fruitivours. I read a very interesting article today, > which explained that we were designed to be carnivore's because of the > vitamin B12 issue. Then it went on to discuss that Agriculture is one of > the things changing the genetic structure of humans. > > I am not convinced the human body cannot get vitamin B12 from some sort of > plant source. Maybe it is in the inter tree bark of some sort of tree, > which our ancestors gorged themselves on. Thus, creating a dependency for > this vitamin in our genes, or maybe it was meat; who knows? The fact of the > matter is we don't really know. > > What we do know is that commercial meat production is horrible and abusive > to animals. > > I hope I didn't offend anyone............ > > -- > Scott > www.HikeHaven.com > www.AntiFuel.com > > Minds are like parachutes, they only function when they are open. > > On 7/23/07, jmaine37 <zuzu37 wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > > > There are some who believe spices are not good for you. Most > > rawfoodists who follow a Natural Hygeine way of life feel that > > anything not in its natual state, anything concentrated, or anything > > that acts as a stimulant is not good for the body. Onion and garlic > > are sometimes avoided for the same reason. Some NH'ers will not use > > salt, olive oil or Nama Shoyu (soy sauce) either. I guess it's also > > sometimes called High-Raw eating. I used to belong to a raw group > > online that was made up of mostly NH'ers - some didn't use soap when > > bathing, believing the body to only need water to cleanse it, they > > eschewed juicing because it separates the fiber from the rest of the > > fruit or veg and would no longer be in its natural state. Some of > > them wouldn't even eat smoothies, since that was breaking down the > > food, and you wouldn't be using your teeth and jaws to eat the food > > as you were designed to. > > Very interesting stuff, but close to impossible to attain in our > > modern society, I think. > > > > Jolene > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2007 mmmmmmmmmmm, dirt.......yum!!! I could go for a nice mud pie right now....lolThat is a good point. It is interesting that B12 is a bacteria.Scott--- jo.heartwork wrote:"heartwerk" <jo.heartwork Subject: Re: BraggsTue, 24 Jul 2007 15:49:32 -0000 Vitamin B cannot be assimilated from any vegetable sources. It is easy to take in supplement form, the B12 being grown from the bacteria. It seems to be straightforward to me, but a lot of people dither over it. If a person eschewed all modern living I could understand it. It seems strange to forego a necessary supplement for no other reason that it is not something you can get from nature unless you eat dirt. Jo Learn about the power of raw foods at ---> http://www.rawfoods.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2007 b12 is not a bacterium. It is produced by bacteria that live in the soil. It can be grown in a lab with these bacteria. And, speaking as an organic gardener... soil is not dirt (I know, I know, I've used the wrong term myself). At 8:58 AM -0700 7/24/07, Scott Macri wrote: mmmmmmmmmmm, dirt.......yum!!! I could go for a nice mud pie right now....lol That is a good point. It is interesting that B12 is a bacteria. Scott --- jo.heartwork wrote: " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork Re: Braggs Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:49:32 -0000 Vitamin B cannot be assimilated from any vegetable sources. It is easy to take in supplement form, the B12 being grown from the bacteria. It seems to be straightforward to me, but a lot of people dither over it. If a person eschewed all modern living I could understand it. It seems strange to forego a necessary supplement for no other reason that it is not something you can get from nature unless you eat dirt. Jo Learn about the power of raw foods at ---> http://www.rawfoods.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2007 But we can get some of the dirt and bacteria on our root veggies. Since we only need trace amounts of B12, this contributes to our overall need. I east Brewers Yeast and Rice Dream as well, both of which contain B12. I've been vegan this time for 10 years now. I gave up taking supplements several years ago. I just make sure we eat healthy. Marcy - hacktorious Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:58 AM Re: Braggs I have heard both sides of that. I have read articles stating that isjust a rumor and test's have been done to disprove that. However, Idon't know if the sources are reliable,as I am just reading this infoon the internet.Do cows and monkeys actually need vitamin b12? I was not aware ofthat. But that is why I joined this group; so I can learn.....lolThanks. , yarrow wrote:>> Vitamin b-12 is produced by bacteria that live in the soil. That's > where cows, monkeys and apes, and people who don't wash their fruits > and vegetables get it from. In the modern overhygienic > antibacterial-saturated world, most of us no longer eat enough dirt.> > > At 10:12 PM -0400 7/23/07, Scott wrote:> I am not convinced the human body cannot get vitamin B12 from some > sort of plant source. Maybe it is in the inter tree bark of some > sort of tree, which our ancestors gorged themselves on. Thus, > creating a dependency for this vitamin in our genes, or maybe it was > meat; who knows? The fact of the matter is we don't really know.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2007 I would call brewers yeast a supplement as it is not something we would eat in the normal course of a day. The B12 comes from the fermenting of the yeast. I think it is an excellent supplement. Jo , " Marcy " <imgreen03 wrote: > > But we can get some of the dirt and bacteria on our root veggies. Since we only need trace amounts of B12, this contributes to our overall need. > > I east Brewers Yeast and Rice Dream as well, both of which contain B12. > > I've been vegan this time for 10 years now. I gave up taking supplements several years ago. I just make sure we eat healthy. > > Marcy > > - > hacktorious > > Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:58 AM > Re: Braggs > > > I have heard both sides of that. I have read articles stating that is > just a rumor and test's have been done to disprove that. However, I > don't know if the sources are reliable,as I am just reading this info > on the internet. > > Do cows and monkeys actually need vitamin b12? I was not aware of > that. But that is why I joined this group; so I can learn.....lol > > Thanks. > > , yarrow@ wrote: > > > > Vitamin b-12 is produced by bacteria that live in the soil. That's > > where cows, monkeys and apes, and people who don't wash their fruits > > and vegetables get it from. In the modern overhygienic > > antibacterial-saturated world, most of us no longer eat enough dirt. > > > > > > At 10:12 PM -0400 7/23/07, Scott wrote: > > I am not convinced the human body cannot get vitamin B12 from some > > sort of plant source. Maybe it is in the inter tree bark of some > > sort of tree, which our ancestors gorged themselves on. Thus, > > creating a dependency for this vitamin in our genes, or maybe it was > > meat; who knows? The fact of the matter is we don't really know. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
