Guest guest Report post Posted March 18, 2005 Hi Joy, Someone else in the group can probably share more accurate information than this on the Braggs, but it is my understanding that the very process they use to make the stuff causes monosodium glutamate to form and therefore in it's " natural " form (not specifically added to the Braggs) it does contain a fair amount of the stuff. I never use it. Janaki - " Joy King " <joy " Z Raw Seattle " <RawSeattle > Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:56 PM [RawSeattle] Braggs > > Can someone shed some light for me on this product? I see it a lot in some > recipe books while in others it talks about it not being raw - I am not sure > what to believe - my guess is it is like miso?!?! > > Thanks in advance! > Joy > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 18, 2005 I've heard this same thing from my brother - he went to the Health & Healing Crusade in Lodi, CA last summer and a couple of the speakers said this about Bragg's. Janaki Rose <janaki wrote:Hi Joy, Someone else in the group can probably share more accurate information than this on the Braggs, but it is my understanding that the very process they use to make the stuff causes monosodium glutamate to form and therefore in it's " natural " form (not specifically added to the Braggs) it does contain a fair amount of the stuff. I never use it. Janaki - " Joy King " <joy " Z Raw Seattle " <RawSeattle > Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:56 PM [RawSeattle] Braggs > > Can someone shed some light for me on this product? I see it a lot in some > recipe books while in others it talks about it not being raw - I am not sure > what to believe - my guess is it is like miso?!?! > > Thanks in advance! > Joy > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 19, 2005 Thanks for the follow-up, Janaki - that was info I was looking for - their labels don't say much about the product or process. What about Shoyu? I also see that pop up here and there. Are there any products you might recommend? Janaki Rose [janaki] Friday, March 18, 2005 12:09 PM RawSeattle Re: [RawSeattle] Braggs Hi Joy, Someone else in the group can probably share more accurate information than this on the Braggs, but it is my understanding that the very process they use to make the stuff causes monosodium glutamate to form and therefore in it's " natural " form (not specifically added to the Braggs) it does contain a fair amount of the stuff. I never use it. Janaki - " Joy King " <joy " Z Raw Seattle " <RawSeattle > Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:56 PM [RawSeattle] Braggs > > Can someone shed some light for me on this product? I see it a lot in some > recipe books while in others it talks about it not being raw - I am not sure > what to believe - my guess is it is like miso?!?! > > Thanks in advance! > Joy > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 20, 2005 Hi---I use Nama Shoyu instead of Bragg's and instead of pasturized Tamari because it's unpasturized and Victoria Boutenko recommended it to us at a workshop. Janaki - " Joy King " <joy <RawSeattle > Friday, March 18, 2005 4:07 PM RE: [RawSeattle] Braggs > > Thanks for the follow-up, Janaki - that was info I was looking for - their > labels don't say much about the product or process. > > What about Shoyu? I also see that pop up here and there. Are there any > products you might recommend? > > > Janaki Rose [janaki] > Friday, March 18, 2005 12:09 PM > RawSeattle > Re: [RawSeattle] Braggs > > > > Hi Joy, > Someone else in the group can probably share more accurate information than > this on the Braggs, but it is my understanding that the very process they > use to make the stuff causes monosodium glutamate to form and therefore in > it's " natural " form (not specifically added to the Braggs) it does contain a > fair amount of the stuff. I never use it. > Janaki > - > " Joy King " <joy > " Z Raw Seattle " <RawSeattle > > Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:56 PM > [RawSeattle] Braggs > > > > > > Can someone shed some light for me on this product? I see it a lot in > some > > recipe books while in others it talks about it not being raw - I am not > sure > > what to believe - my guess is it is like miso?!?! > > > > Thanks in advance! > > Joy > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 17, 2007 Please help. I am newbie to a Raw Vegan diet. I was looking for some recipes and found one, which sounds interesting, but am not sure what Braggs is. Does anyone know what Braggs is in the following recipe? Thanks. Vegetable Kebabs 4 mushrooms 1 zucchini 1/2 cauliflower 1 red bell pepper 2 carrots 1 onion 2 inch piece fresh ginger, peeled 2 cloves garlic 1/2 C Braggs 2 C water 1/2 t cayenne 1 t basil 1 t oregano Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 17, 2007 Braggs is Braggs Liquid Aminos its a soy product, like soy sauce its produced by letting soy slurry mix with hydrochloric acid i believe, and allowed to ferment in distilled water... Braggs also produces a raw apple cider, and several other products... hacktorious Jul 17, 2007 1:24 PM Braggs Please help. I am newbie to a Raw Vegan diet. I was looking for somerecipes and found one, which sounds interesting, but am not sure whatBraggs is. Does anyone know what Braggs is in the following recipe? Thanks.Vegetable Kebabs4 mushrooms1 zucchini1/2 cauliflower1 red bell pepper2 carrots1 onion2 inch piece fresh ginger, peeled2 cloves garlic1/2 C Braggs2 C water1/2 t cayenne1 t basil1 t oregano When I see the price that you pay I don't wanna grow up I don't ever want to be that way I don't wanna grow up Seems that folks turn into things that they never want Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007  I've heard Braggs is bad for you, but can't recall the reason. Anyone know? Marcy - fraggle Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:23 PM Re: Braggs Braggs is Braggs Liquid Aminos its a soy product, like soy sauce its produced by letting soy slurry mix with hydrochloric acid i believe, and allowed to ferment in distilled water... Braggs also produces a raw apple cider, and several other products... hacktorious Jul 17, 2007 1:24 PM Braggs Please help. I am newbie to a Raw Vegan diet. I was looking for somerecipes and found one, which sounds interesting, but am not sure whatBraggs is. Does anyone know what Braggs is in the following recipe? Thanks.Vegetable Kebabs4 mushrooms1 zucchini1/2 cauliflower1 red bell pepper2 carrots1 onion2 inch piece fresh ginger, peeled2 cloves garlic1/2 C Braggs2 C water1/2 t cayenne1 t basil1 t oregano When I see the price that you pay I don't wanna grow up I don't ever want to be that way I don't wanna grow up Seems that folks turn into things that they never want Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 there are a couple trains of thought i've found on it... and, personally, i don't really buy into the arguments..., but..caveat emptor 1. the soy argument..soy is bad... umm..not gonna comment here 2. salt..braggs has salt when its created...sorry..but..i don't buy the zero salt argument, as we'd keel over and die without some salt... 3. apparently its created with the use of hydrochloric acid..which to some is bad i guess.. personally...i create hydrochloric acid in my stomach...can't be absolutely horrible.. dunno really... there are a number other "annecdotal" reasons i've seen out there..it "hardens the liver", it gives peoples nightmares.. me..i use it on occassion..it's good in some dishes...my partner likes tamari soy better, so we use that more... Marcy Jul 17, 2007 4:30 PM Re: Braggs  I've heard Braggs is bad for you, but can't recall the reason. Anyone know? Marcy - fraggle Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:23 PM Re: Braggs Braggs is Braggs Liquid Aminos its a soy product, like soy sauce its produced by letting soy slurry mix with hydrochloric acid i believe, and allowed to ferment in distilled water... Braggs also produces a raw apple cider, and several other products... hacktorious Jul 17, 2007 1:24 PM Braggs Please help. I am newbie to a Raw Vegan diet. I was looking for somerecipes and found one, which sounds interesting, but am not sure whatBraggs is. Does anyone know what Braggs is in the following recipe? Thanks.Vegetable Kebabs4 mushrooms1 zucchini1/2 cauliflower1 red bell pepper2 carrots1 onion2 inch piece fresh ginger, peeled2 cloves garlic1/2 C Braggs2 C water1/2 t cayenne1 t basil1 t oreganoWhen I see the price that you pay I don't wanna grow up I don't ever want to be that way I don't wanna grow up Seems that folks turn into things that they never want When I see the price that you pay I don't wanna grow up I don't ever want to be that way I don't wanna grow up Seems that folks turn into things that they never want Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 Fraggle, why aren't you going to comment about soy? What is everyone's take on it? The anti-soy stuff I've read scares me, but I'm hoping it's just put out by the meat industry to scare us. Tracy --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: there are a couple trains of thought i've found on it... and, personally, i don't really buy into the arguments..., but..caveat emptor 1. the soy argument..soy is bad... umm..not gonna comment here 2. salt..braggs has salt when its created...sorry..but..i don't buy the zero salt argument, as we'd keel over and die without some salt... 3. apparently its created with the use of hydrochloric acid..which to some is bad i guess.. personally...i create hydrochloric acid in my stomach...can't be absolutely horrible.. dunno really... there are a number other " annecdotal " reasons i've seen out there..it " hardens the liver " , it gives peoples nightmares.. me..i use it on occassion..it's good in some dishes...my partner likes tamari soy better, so we use that more... Marcy Jul 17, 2007 4:30 PM Re: Braggs  I've heard Braggs is bad for you, but can't recall the reason. Anyone know? Marcy - fraggle Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:23 PM Re: Braggs Braggs is Braggs Liquid Aminos its a soy product, like soy sauce its produced by letting soy slurry mix with hydrochloric acid i believe, and allowed to ferment in distilled water... Braggs also produces a raw apple cider, and several other products... hacktorious Jul 17, 2007 1:24 PM Braggs Please help. I am newbie to a Raw Vegan diet. I was looking for some recipes and found one, which sounds interesting, but am not sure what Braggs is. Does anyone know what Braggs is in the following recipe? Thanks. Vegetable Kebabs 4 mushrooms 1 zucchini 1/2 cauliflower 1 red bell pepper 2 carrots 1 onion 2 inch piece fresh ginger, peeled 2 cloves garlic 1/2 C Braggs 2 C water 1/2 t cayenne 1 t basil 1 t oregano When I see the price that you payI don't wanna grow upI don't ever want to be that wayI don't wanna grow upSeems that folks turn into thingsthat they never want When I see the price that you payI don't wanna grow upI don't ever want to be that wayI don't wanna grow upSeems that folks turn into thingsthat they never want ______________________________\ ____ Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv./collections/222 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007  So, what's wrong with organic tamari? That's what I use. I like the flavor, but use it sparingly. Marcy - fraggle Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:44 PM Re: Braggs there are a couple trains of thought i've found on it... and, personally, i don't really buy into the arguments..., but..caveat emptor 1. the soy argument..soy is bad... umm..not gonna comment here 2. salt..braggs has salt when its created...sorry..but..i don't buy the zero salt argument, as we'd keel over and die without some salt... 3. apparently its created with the use of hydrochloric acid..which to some is bad i guess.. personally...i create hydrochloric acid in my stomach...can't be absolutely horrible.. dunno really... there are a number other "annecdotal" reasons i've seen out there..it "hardens the liver", it gives peoples nightmares.. me..i use it on occassion..it's good in some dishes...my partner likes tamari soy better, so we use that more... Marcy Jul 17, 2007 4:30 PM Re: Braggs  I've heard Braggs is bad for you, but can't recall the reason. Anyone know? Marcy - fraggle Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:23 PM Re: Braggs Braggs is Braggs Liquid Aminos its a soy product, like soy sauce its produced by letting soy slurry mix with hydrochloric acid i believe, and allowed to ferment in distilled water... Braggs also produces a raw apple cider, and several other products... hacktorious Jul 17, 2007 1:24 PM Braggs Please help. I am newbie to a Raw Vegan diet. I was looking for somerecipes and found one, which sounds interesting, but am not sure whatBraggs is. Does anyone know what Braggs is in the following recipe? Thanks.Vegetable Kebabs4 mushrooms1 zucchini1/2 cauliflower1 red bell pepper2 carrots1 onion2 inch piece fresh ginger, peeled2 cloves garlic1/2 C Braggs2 C water1/2 t cayenne1 t basil1 t oreganoWhen I see the price that you pay I don't wanna grow up I don't ever want to be that way I don't wanna grow up Seems that folks turn into things that they never want When I see the price that you pay I don't wanna grow up I don't ever want to be that way I don't wanna grow up Seems that folks turn into things that they never want Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 Hi Tracy It is funded and put out by the meat industry, and is very cleverly worded, so as to not actually be untrue. What they highlight is the " phyto-oestrogens " (sp?) which exist in soy. They then state that phyto oestrogens are a bit like oestrogen. They then go on to state that very high levels of oestrogen in the body are bad for you. Thereby they lead you down a path which makes it appear as though the phyto-oestrogens in soy are bad for you... however, they take three major steps which are completely unrelated to do so - there is no actual evidence that soy is bad for you (except in huge quantities, much like any other food!), merely that it contains some elements which are a bit like some other elements which can be bad if they exist in too high quantity in your body! Hope that all makes sense! BB Peter - " Tracy H. " <denise_h22 Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:58 AM Re: Braggs > Fraggle, why aren't you going to comment about soy? > > What is everyone's take on it? > > The anti-soy stuff I've read scares me, but I'm hoping > it's just put out by the meat industry to scare us. > > Tracy > > --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > > > > > there are a couple trains of thought i've found on > it... > > and, personally, i don't really buy into the > arguments..., but..caveat emptor > > 1. the soy argument..soy is bad... > > umm..not gonna comment here > > 2. salt..braggs has salt when its > created...sorry..but..i don't buy the zero salt > argument, as we'd keel over and die without some > salt... > > 3. apparently its created with the use of hydrochloric > acid..which to some is bad i guess.. > > personally...i create hydrochloric acid in my > stomach...can't be absolutely horrible.. > > dunno really... > > there are a number other " annecdotal " reasons i've > seen out there..it " hardens the liver " , it gives > peoples nightmares.. > > me..i use it on occassion..it's good in some > dishes...my partner likes tamari soy better, so we use > that more... > > > > > Marcy > Jul 17, 2007 4:30 PM > > Re: Braggs > > >  I've heard Braggs is bad for you, but can't recall > the reason. Anyone know? > Marcy > > - > fraggle > > Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:23 PM > Re: Braggs > > > > > Braggs is Braggs Liquid Aminos > > its a soy product, like soy sauce > > its produced by letting soy slurry mix with > hydrochloric acid i believe, and allowed to ferment in > distilled water... > > Braggs also produces a raw apple cider, and several > other products... > > > > > hacktorious > Jul 17, 2007 1:24 PM > > Braggs > > > Please help. I am newbie to a Raw Vegan diet. I was > looking for some > recipes and found one, which sounds interesting, but > am not sure what > Braggs is. Does anyone know what Braggs is in the > following recipe? > Thanks. > > Vegetable Kebabs > > 4 mushrooms > 1 zucchini > 1/2 cauliflower > 1 red bell pepper > 2 carrots > 1 onion > 2 inch piece fresh ginger, peeled > 2 cloves garlic > 1/2 C Braggs > 2 C water > 1/2 t cayenne > 1 t basil > 1 t oregano When I see the price that you payI don't wanna grow > upI don't ever want to be that wayI don't wanna grow > upSeems that folks turn into thingsthat they never > want > > > When I see the price that you payI don't wanna grow > upI don't ever want to be that wayI don't wanna grow > upSeems that folks turn into thingsthat they never > want > > > > > > > > __________________________ ________ > Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > http://tv./collections/222 > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 more on the soy smear campaign: http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm the campaign is front almost wholly by the weston price foundation. see the archives. blake Hi Tracy It is funded and put out by the meat industry, and is very cleverly worded, so as to not actually be untrue. What they highlight is the " phyto-oestrogens " (sp?) which exist in soy. They then state that phyto oestrogens are a bit like oestrogen. They then go on to state that very high levels of oestrogen in the body are bad for you. Thereby they lead you down a path which makes it appear as though the phyto-oestrogens in soy are bad for you... however, they take three major steps which are completely unrelated to do so - there is no actual evidence that soy is bad for you (except in huge quantities, much like any other food!), merely that it contains some elements which are a bit like some other elements which can be bad if they exist in too high quantity in your body! Hope that all makes sense! BB Peter - " Tracy H. " <denise_h22 Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:58 AM Re: Braggs > Fraggle, why aren't you going to comment about soy? > > What is everyone's take on it? > > The anti-soy stuff I've read scares me, but I'm hoping > it's just put out by the meat industry to scare us. > > Tracy > > --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > > > > > there are a couple trains of thought i've found on > it... > > and, personally, i don't really buy into the > arguments..., but..caveat emptor > > 1. the soy argument..soy is bad... > > umm..not gonna comment here > > 2. salt..braggs has salt when its > created...sorry..but..i don't buy the zero salt > argument, as we'd keel over and die without some > salt... > > 3. apparently its created with the use of hydrochloric > acid..which to some is bad i guess.. > > personally...i create hydrochloric acid in my > stomach...can't be absolutely horrible.. > > dunno really... > > there are a number other " annecdotal " reasons i've > seen out there..it " hardens the liver " , it gives > peoples nightmares.. > > me..i use it on occassion..it's good in some > dishes...my partner likes tamari soy better, so we use > that more... > > > > > Marcy > Jul 17, 2007 4:30 PM > > Re: Braggs > > >  I've heard Braggs is bad for you, but can't recall > the reason. Anyone know? > Marcy > > - > fraggle > > Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:23 PM > Re: Braggs > > > > > Braggs is Braggs Liquid Aminos > > its a soy product, like soy sauce > > its produced by letting soy slurry mix with > hydrochloric acid i believe, and allowed to ferment in > distilled water... > > Braggs also produces a raw apple cider, and several > other products... > > > > > hacktorious > Jul 17, 2007 1:24 PM > > Braggs > > > Please help. I am newbie to a Raw Vegan diet. I was > looking for some > recipes and found one, which sounds interesting, but > am not sure what > Braggs is. Does anyone know what Braggs is in the > following recipe? > Thanks. > > Vegetable Kebabs > > 4 mushrooms > 1 zucchini > 1/2 cauliflower > 1 red bell pepper > 2 carrots > 1 onion > 2 inch piece fresh ginger, peeled > 2 cloves garlic > 1/2 C Braggs > 2 C water > 1/2 t cayenne > 1 t basil > 1 t oregano When I see the price that you payI don't wanna grow > upI don't ever want to be that wayI don't wanna grow > upSeems that folks turn into thingsthat they never > want > > > When I see the price that you payI don't wanna grow > upI don't ever want to be that wayI don't wanna grow > upSeems that folks turn into thingsthat they never > want > > > > > > > > ________ ________ > Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > http://tv./collections/222 > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 That does make sense. I won't be buying any. Thanks. , " metalscarab " <metalscarab wrote: > > Hi Tracy > > It is funded and put out by the meat industry, and is very cleverly worded, > so as to not actually be untrue. What they highlight is the > " phyto-oestrogens " (sp?) which exist in soy. They then state that phyto > oestrogens are a bit like oestrogen. They then go on to state that very high > levels of oestrogen in the body are bad for you. Thereby they lead you down > a path which makes it appear as though the phyto-oestrogens in soy are bad > for you... however, they take three major steps which are completely > unrelated to do so - there is no actual evidence that soy is bad for you > (except in huge quantities, much like any other food!), merely that it > contains some elements which are a bit like some other elements which can be > bad if they exist in too high quantity in your body! > > Hope that all makes sense! > > BB > Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 Honestly, I don't know what to believe anymore. My basic plan is to stick with the organic raw fruits and veggies without any flavoring or spices. However, it is tough to find true raw nuts. Next spring I am going to plant 4 gardens in my yard and grow some herbs, fruits and veggies. I do eat soy sauce, but won't after I go 100% raw. I am gradually working up to it. My concern is that businesses cannot be trusted. The bottom line is that it all comes down to money, and they will do whatever it takes to make more of it. Even if it means putting junk in their products and covering it up. Anything that is not in it's natural form is at risk of having garbage in it. That's just my opinion. , " Tracy H. " <denise_h22 wrote: > > Fraggle, why aren't you going to comment about soy? > > What is everyone's take on it? > > The anti-soy stuff I've read scares me, but I'm hoping > it's just put out by the meat industry to scare us. > > Tracy > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 Soy is just one of the new "hip" things in the marketplace so, it gets over marketed, overhyped, and then vilified. the whole anti-soy campaign is pushed by either the meat/dairy industry, or by people who insist we eat a diet high in animal protein and fat.... considering that the chinese have how many different styles of tofu and have used it for thousands of years...i find it all sorta silly no food should be used as a the be all end all..no food is a mgic bullet...no food is "complete" its all about diversity and having a varied diet... "Tracy H." Jul 17, 2007 6:58 PM Re: Braggs Fraggle, why aren't you going to comment about soy? What is everyone's take on it? The anti-soy stuff I've read scares me, but I'm hopingit's just put out by the meat industry to scare us.Tracy--- fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:there are a couple trains of thought i've found onit...and, personally, i don't really buy into thearguments..., but..caveat emptor1. the soy argument..soy is bad...umm..not gonna comment here2. salt..braggs has salt when itscreated...sorry..but..i don't buy the zero saltargument, as we'd keel over and die without somesalt...3. apparently its created with the use of hydrochloricacid..which to some is bad i guess..personally...i create hydrochloric acid in mystomach...can't be absolutely horrible..dunno really...there are a number other "annecdotal" reasons i'veseen out there..it "hardens the liver", it givespeoples nightmares..me..i use it on occassion..it's good in somedishes...my partner likes tamari soy better, so we usethat more... Marcy Jul 17, 2007 4:30 PM Re: Braggs  I've heard Braggs is bad for you, but can't recallthe reason. Anyone know?Marcy- fraggle Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:23 PMRe: BraggsBraggs is Braggs Liquid Aminosits a soy product, like soy sauceits produced by letting soy slurry mix withhydrochloric acid i believe, and allowed to ferment indistilled water...Braggs also produces a raw apple cider, and severalother products... hacktorious Jul 17, 2007 1:24 PM Braggs Please help. I am newbie to a Raw Vegan diet. I waslooking for somerecipes and found one, which sounds interesting, butam not sure whatBraggs is. Does anyone know what Braggs is in thefollowing recipe? Thanks.Vegetable Kebabs4 mushrooms1 zucchini1/2 cauliflower1 red bell pepper2 carrots1 onion2 inch piece fresh ginger, peeled2 cloves garlic1/2 C Braggs2 C water1/2 t cayenne1 t basil1 t oreganoWhen I see the price that you payI don't wanna growupI don't ever want to be that wayI don't wanna growupSeems that folks turn into thingsthat they neverwantWhen I see the price that you payI don't wanna growupI don't ever want to be that wayI don't wanna growupSeems that folks turn into thingsthat they neverwant________Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv./collections/222 When I see the price that you pay I don't wanna grow up I don't ever want to be that way I don't wanna grow up Seems that folks turn into things that they never want Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm "Tracy H." Jul 17, 2007 6:58 PM Re: Braggs Fraggle, why aren't you going to comment about soy? What is everyone's take on it? The anti-soy stuff I've read scares me, but I'm hopingit's just put out by the meat industry to scare us.Tracy--- fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:there are a couple trains of thought i've found onit...and, personally, i don't really buy into thearguments..., but..caveat emptor1. the soy argument..soy is bad...umm..not gonna comment here2. salt..braggs has salt when itscreated...sorry..but..i don't buy the zero saltargument, as we'd keel over and die without somesalt...3. apparently its created with the use of hydrochloricacid..which to some is bad i guess..personally...i create hydrochloric acid in mystomach...can't be absolutely horrible..dunno really...there are a number other "annecdotal" reasons i'veseen out there..it "hardens the liver", it givespeoples nightmares..me..i use it on occassion..it's good in somedishes...my partner likes tamari soy better, so we usethat more... Marcy Jul 17, 2007 4:30 PM Re: Braggs  I've heard Braggs is bad for you, but can't recallthe reason. Anyone know?Marcy- fraggle Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:23 PMRe: BraggsBraggs is Braggs Liquid Aminosits a soy product, like soy sauceits produced by letting soy slurry mix withhydrochloric acid i believe, and allowed to ferment indistilled water...Braggs also produces a raw apple cider, and severalother products... hacktorious Jul 17, 2007 1:24 PM Braggs Please help. I am newbie to a Raw Vegan diet. I waslooking for somerecipes and found one, which sounds interesting, butam not sure whatBraggs is. Does anyone know what Braggs is in thefollowing recipe? Thanks.Vegetable Kebabs4 mushrooms1 zucchini1/2 cauliflower1 red bell pepper2 carrots1 onion2 inch piece fresh ginger, peeled2 cloves garlic1/2 C Braggs2 C water1/2 t cayenne1 t basil1 t oreganoWhen I see the price that you payI don't wanna growupI don't ever want to be that wayI don't wanna growupSeems that folks turn into thingsthat they neverwantWhen I see the price that you payI don't wanna growupI don't ever want to be that wayI don't wanna growupSeems that folks turn into thingsthat they neverwant________Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv./collections/222 When I see the price that you pay I don't wanna grow up I don't ever want to be that way I don't wanna grow up Seems that folks turn into things that they never want Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 nuthin that i know of.... Marcy Jul 17, 2007 7:49 PM Re: Braggs  So, what's wrong with organic tamari? That's what I use. I like the flavor, but use it sparingly. Marcy - fraggle Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:44 PM Re: Braggs there are a couple trains of thought i've found on it... and, personally, i don't really buy into the arguments..., but..caveat emptor 1. the soy argument..soy is bad... umm..not gonna comment here 2. salt..braggs has salt when its created...sorry..but..i don't buy the zero salt argument, as we'd keel over and die without some salt... 3. apparently its created with the use of hydrochloric acid..which to some is bad i guess.. personally...i create hydrochloric acid in my stomach...can't be absolutely horrible.. dunno really... there are a number other "annecdotal" reasons i've seen out there..it "hardens the liver", it gives peoples nightmares.. me..i use it on occassion..it's good in some dishes...my partner likes tamari soy better, so we use that more... Marcy Jul 17, 2007 4:30 PM Re: Braggs  I've heard Braggs is bad for you, but can't recall the reason. Anyone know? Marcy - fraggle Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:23 PM Re: Braggs Braggs is Braggs Liquid Aminos its a soy product, like soy sauce its produced by letting soy slurry mix with hydrochloric acid i believe, and allowed to ferment in distilled water... Braggs also produces a raw apple cider, and several other products... hacktorious Jul 17, 2007 1:24 PM Braggs Please help. I am newbie to a Raw Vegan diet. I was looking for somerecipes and found one, which sounds interesting, but am not sure whatBraggs is. Does anyone know what Braggs is in the following recipe? Thanks.Vegetable Kebabs4 mushrooms1 zucchini1/2 cauliflower1 red bell pepper2 carrots1 onion2 inch piece fresh ginger, peeled2 cloves garlic1/2 C Braggs2 C water1/2 t cayenne1 t basil1 t oreganoWhen I see the price that you pay I don't wanna grow up I don't ever want to be that way I don't wanna grow up Seems that folks turn into things that they never want When I see the price that you pay I don't wanna grow up I don't ever want to be that way I don't wanna grow up Seems that folks turn into things that they never want When I see the price that you pay I don't wanna grow up I don't ever want to be that way I don't wanna grow up Seems that folks turn into things that they never want Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 It has alcohol and salt. Ingredients: Water, whole organic soybeans, salt, alcohol (to preserve freshness). http://tinyurl.com/3cfobp , " Marcy " <imgreen03 wrote: > > So, what's wrong with organic tamari? That's what I use. > > I like the flavor, but use it sparingly. > > Marcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 If you won't be buying any because of what I said, then I didn't explain it properly. Let me try to give a metaphor for what the meat industry say... Soy chunks are square. Squares are shapes, as are circles. If the body is too circular you are obese... therefore eating soy will make you obese. It's clearly nonsense! BB Peter - " hacktorious " <hacktorious Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:16 PM Re: Braggs > That does make sense. I won't be buying any. Thanks. > > , " metalscarab " <metalscarab wrote: > > > > Hi Tracy > > > > It is funded and put out by the meat industry, and is very cleverly > worded, > > so as to not actually be untrue. What they highlight is the > > " phyto-oestrogens " (sp?) which exist in soy. They then state that phyto > > oestrogens are a bit like oestrogen. They then go on to state that > very high > > levels of oestrogen in the body are bad for you. Thereby they lead > you down > > a path which makes it appear as though the phyto-oestrogens in soy > are bad > > for you... however, they take three major steps which are completely > > unrelated to do so - there is no actual evidence that soy is bad for you > > (except in huge quantities, much like any other food!), merely that it > > contains some elements which are a bit like some other elements > which can be > > bad if they exist in too high quantity in your body! > > > > Hope that all makes sense! > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Isn't tamari the fermented version of soy sauce? Because it's fermented it digests better, I think. Marcy - hacktorious Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:46 AM Re: Braggs It has alcohol and salt.Ingredients:Water, whole organic soybeans, salt, alcohol (to preserve freshness).http://tinyurl.com/3cfobp--- In , "Marcy" <imgreen03 wrote:>> So, what's wrong with organic tamari? That's what I use.> > I like the flavor, but use it sparingly.> > Marcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2007 HI Peter That's exactly the answer I need for someone at work. They were saying they had heard soya was bad for you. Thanks. BB Jo , " metalscarab " <metalscarab wrote: > > Hi Tracy > > It is funded and put out by the meat industry, and is very cleverly worded, > so as to not actually be untrue. What they highlight is the > " phyto-oestrogens " (sp?) which exist in soy. They then state that phyto > oestrogens are a bit like oestrogen. They then go on to state that very high > levels of oestrogen in the body are bad for you. Thereby they lead you down > a path which makes it appear as though the phyto-oestrogens in soy are bad > for you... however, they take three major steps which are completely > unrelated to do so - there is no actual evidence that soy is bad for you > (except in huge quantities, much like any other food!), merely that it > contains some elements which are a bit like some other elements which can be > bad if they exist in too high quantity in your body! > > Hope that all makes sense! > > BB > Peter > > - > " Tracy H. " <denise_h22 > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:58 AM > Re: Braggs > > > > Fraggle, why aren't you going to comment about soy? > > > > What is everyone's take on it? > > > > The anti-soy stuff I've read scares me, but I'm hoping > > it's just put out by the meat industry to scare us. > > > > Tracy > > > > --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > there are a couple trains of thought i've found on > > it... > > > > and, personally, i don't really buy into the > > arguments..., but..caveat emptor > > > > 1. the soy argument..soy is bad... > > > > umm..not gonna comment here > > > > 2. salt..braggs has salt when its > > created...sorry..but..i don't buy the zero salt > > argument, as we'd keel over and die without some > > salt... > > > > 3. apparently its created with the use of hydrochloric > > acid..which to some is bad i guess.. > > > > personally...i create hydrochloric acid in my > > stomach...can't be absolutely horrible.. > > > > dunno really... > > > > there are a number other " annecdotal " reasons i've > > seen out there..it " hardens the liver " , it gives > > peoples nightmares.. > > > > me..i use it on occassion..it's good in some > > dishes...my partner likes tamari soy better, so we use > > that more... > > > > > > > > > > Marcy > > Jul 17, 2007 4:30 PM > > > > Re: Braggs > > > > > >  I've heard Braggs is bad for you, but can't recall > > the reason. Anyone know? > > Marcy > > > > - > > fraggle > > > > Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:23 PM > > Re: Braggs > > > > > > > > > > Braggs is Braggs Liquid Aminos > > > > its a soy product, like soy sauce > > > > its produced by letting soy slurry mix with > > hydrochloric acid i believe, and allowed to ferment in > > distilled water... > > > > Braggs also produces a raw apple cider, and several > > other products... > > > > > > > > > > hacktorious > > Jul 17, 2007 1:24 PM > > > > Braggs > > > > > > Please help. I am newbie to a Raw Vegan diet. I was > > looking for some > > recipes and found one, which sounds interesting, but > > am not sure what > > Braggs is. Does anyone know what Braggs is in the > > following recipe? > > Thanks. > > > > Vegetable Kebabs > > > > 4 mushrooms > > 1 zucchini > > 1/2 cauliflower > > 1 red bell pepper > > 2 carrots > > 1 onion > > 2 inch piece fresh ginger, peeled > > 2 cloves garlic > > 1/2 C Braggs > > 2 C water > > 1/2 t cayenne > > 1 t basil > > 1 t oregano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I see the price that you payI don't wanna grow > > upI don't ever want to be that wayI don't wanna grow > > upSeems that folks turn into thingsthat they never > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I see the price that you payI don't wanna grow > > upI don't ever want to be that wayI don't wanna grow > > upSeems that folks turn into thingsthat they never > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______ > ________ > > Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's > > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > > http://tv./collections/222 > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2007 What do you think is wrong with using spices? Jo , " hacktorious " <hacktorious wrote: > > Honestly, I don't know what to believe anymore. My basic plan is to > stick with the organic raw fruits and veggies without any flavoring or > spices. However, it is tough to find true raw nuts. > > Next spring I am going to plant 4 gardens in my yard and grow some > herbs, fruits and veggies. > > I do eat soy sauce, but won't after I go 100% raw. I am gradually > working up to it. > > My concern is that businesses cannot be trusted. The bottom line is > that it all comes down to money, and they will do whatever it takes to > make more of it. Even if it means putting junk in their products and > covering it up. Anything that is not in it's natural form is at risk > of having garbage in it. That's just my opinion. > > , " Tracy H. " <denise_h22@> wrote: > > > > Fraggle, why aren't you going to comment about soy? > > > > What is everyone's take on it? > > > > The anti-soy stuff I've read scares me, but I'm hoping > > it's just put out by the meat industry to scare us. > > > > Tracy > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2007 You won't be buying any what? If it is the meat industry funding the campaign against soya, and there is nothing wrong with soya, then why not buy it? Jo , " hacktorious " <hacktorious wrote: > > That does make sense. I won't be buying any. Thanks. > > , " metalscarab " <metalscarab@> wrote: > > > > Hi Tracy > > > > It is funded and put out by the meat industry, and is very cleverly > worded, > > so as to not actually be untrue. What they highlight is the > > " phyto-oestrogens " (sp?) which exist in soy. They then state that phyto > > oestrogens are a bit like oestrogen. They then go on to state that > very high > > levels of oestrogen in the body are bad for you. Thereby they lead > you down > > a path which makes it appear as though the phyto-oestrogens in soy > are bad > > for you... however, they take three major steps which are completely > > unrelated to do so - there is no actual evidence that soy is bad for you > > (except in huge quantities, much like any other food!), merely that it > > contains some elements which are a bit like some other elements > which can be > > bad if they exist in too high quantity in your body! > > > > Hope that all makes sense! > > > > BB > > Peter > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2007 It depends on the spices. I think if they are home made they are OK. I have not seen any that are organic, but they would probably be fine. Many of the spices I have seen have preservatives and are high in sodium. , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > What do you think is wrong with using spices? > > Jo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2007 is there a whole foods or natural food co-op near you? whole foods has a number of different organic spices, and even more in the bulk section hacktorious Jul 19, 2007 7:33 AM Re: Braggs It depends on the spices. I think if they are home made they are OK.I have not seen any that are organic, but they would probably befine. Many of the spices I have seen have preservatives and are highin sodium. , "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork wrote:>> What do you think is wrong with using spices?> > Jo When I see the price that you pay I don't wanna grow up I don't ever want to be that way I don't wanna grow up Seems that folks turn into things that they never want Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
