Denim 'best protection from sun'

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wool?

 

 

>heartwerk <jo.heartwork

>May 3, 2007 2:33 AM

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> Denim 'best protection from sun'

>

>

>

>This summer's way of keeping safe in the sun?

>As the UK heads for yet another hot summer, scientists say fabrics

>such as denim and wool offer the best protection against the sun's

>rays.

>Traditional summer fabrics such as cotton and linen are much less

>effective, they say.

>

>The Swiss researchers reviewed 500 studies from around the world on

>how people protect their skin.

>

>Writing in a study published online by the Lancet, they say using

>sunscreen is the least effective option.

>

>UK cancer experts agreed sunscreen should be the " last line of

>defence " .

>

> Of course it can't be recommended to wear woollen fabrics on the

>beach

>

>Dr Stephen Lautenshlager, researcher

>

>The team from the Triemli Hospital, Zurich, Switzerland, said wearing

>clothes which cover the skin - plus hats and staying out of the sun -

>was the best method of protection.

>

>But, as well as linen and cotton being less effective, light-coloured

>fabrics and those that are wet also offer low levels of protection.

>

>Dr Stephen Lautenshlager, who led the research, told the BBC: " Of

>course it can't be recommended to wear woollen fabrics on the beach.

>

> " But it should be kept in mind that not every shirt blocks the UV

>radiation sufficiently. "

>

>'Unacceptable solution'

>

>Writing in the Lancet, the team led by Dr Lautenshlager, say that,

>while covering up and staying out of the sun may well be the best

>option, it is " deemed to be unacceptable in our global, outdoor

>society " .

>

> " Sunscreens could become the predominant mode of sun protection for

>various societal reasons, for example healthiness of a tan,

>relaxation in the sun. "

>

>

>Sunscreen should not be used to prolong time spent soaking up rays

>

>They advise that when sunscreen is used the most important factor for

>its effectiveness is the application of a " liberal quantity " .

>

>But they warn that people tend not to apply sunscreen properly, only

>putting it on once they have already been exposed to the sun and

>applying too thin a layer.

>

>And they add: " Sunscreens should not be abused in an attempt to

>increase time in the sun to a maximum. "

>

>Dr Kat Arney, Cancer Research UK's senior science information

>officer, said: " This study confirms what we already know.

>

> " Our SunSmart Campaign has always said that sunscreen is the last

>line of defence in protecting skin against the sun's harmful rays.

>

> " Many people do not use sunscreen properly and do not reapply it

>regularly and after swimming.

>

> " Some believe sunscreen is an invisible shield that will give them

>carte blanche to lie out in the sun all day. "

>

>Cancer Research UK advise staying in the shade when the sun is

>hottest - between 11am and 3pm - plus covering up with a T-shirt,

>hat, and sunglasses and using a factor 15 plus sunscreen.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>To send an email to -

>

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wool? wool? my poor sheep friends are running down the hillsides hugging their factor 9 million coats........ The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: This summer's way of keeping safe in the sun? As the UK heads for yet another hot summer, scientists say fabrics such as denim and wool offer the best protection against the sun's rays. Traditional summer fabrics such as cotton and linen are much less

effective, they say. The Swiss researchers reviewed 500 studies from around the world on how people protect their skin. Writing in a study published online by the Lancet, they say using sunscreen is the least effective option. UK cancer experts agreed sunscreen should be the "last line of defence". Of course it can't be recommended to wear woollen fabrics on the beach Dr Stephen Lautenshlager, researcher The team from the Triemli Hospital, Zurich, Switzerland, said wearing clothes which cover the skin - plus hats and staying out of the sun - was the best method of protection. But, as well as linen and cotton being less effective, light-coloured fabrics and those that are wet also offer low levels of protection. Dr Stephen Lautenshlager, who led the research, told the BBC: "Of course it can't be recommended to wear woollen fabrics on the beach. "But it should be kept

in mind that not every shirt blocks the UV radiation sufficiently." 'Unacceptable solution' Writing in the Lancet, the team led by Dr Lautenshlager, say that, while covering up and staying out of the sun may well be the best option, it is "deemed to be unacceptable in our global, outdoor society". "Sunscreens could become the predominant mode of sun protection for various societal reasons, for example healthiness of a tan, relaxation in the sun." Sunscreen should not be used to prolong time spent soaking up rays They advise that when sunscreen is used the most important factor for its effectiveness is the application of a "liberal quantity". But they warn that people tend not to apply sunscreen properly, only putting it on once they have already been exposed to the sun and applying too thin a layer. And they add: "Sunscreens should not be abused in an attempt to increase

time in the sun to a maximum." Dr Kat Arney, Cancer Research UK's senior science information officer, said: "This study confirms what we already know. "Our SunSmart Campaign has always said that sunscreen is the last line of defence in protecting skin against the sun's harmful rays. "Many people do not use sunscreen properly and do not reapply it regularly and after swimming. "Some believe sunscreen is an invisible shield that will give them carte blanche to lie out in the sun all day." Cancer Research UK advise staying in the shade when the sun is hottest - between 11am and 3pm - plus covering up with a T-shirt, hat, and sunglasses and using a factor 15 plus sunscreen. Peter H

 

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Not my suggestion obviously - I was more interested in the fact that dark

clothes were better than light coloured.

 

Jo

 

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Thursday, May 03, 2007 7:48 PM

Re: Denim 'best protection from sun'

 

 

> wool?

>

>

> >heartwerk <jo.heartwork

> >May 3, 2007 2:33 AM

> >

> > Denim 'best protection from sun'

> >

> >

> >

> >This summer's way of keeping safe in the sun?

> >As the UK heads for yet another hot summer, scientists say fabrics

> >such as denim and wool offer the best protection against the sun's

> >rays.

> >Traditional summer fabrics such as cotton and linen are much less

> >effective, they say.

> >

> >The Swiss researchers reviewed 500 studies from around the world on

> >how people protect their skin.

> >

> >Writing in a study published online by the Lancet, they say using

> >sunscreen is the least effective option.

> >

> >UK cancer experts agreed sunscreen should be the " last line of

> >defence " .

> >

> > Of course it can't be recommended to wear woollen fabrics on the

> >beach

> >

> >Dr Stephen Lautenshlager, researcher

> >

> >The team from the Triemli Hospital, Zurich, Switzerland, said wearing

> >clothes which cover the skin - plus hats and staying out of the sun -

> >was the best method of protection.

> >

> >But, as well as linen and cotton being less effective, light-coloured

> >fabrics and those that are wet also offer low levels of protection.

> >

> >Dr Stephen Lautenshlager, who led the research, told the BBC: " Of

> >course it can't be recommended to wear woollen fabrics on the beach.

> >

> > " But it should be kept in mind that not every shirt blocks the UV

> >radiation sufficiently. "

> >

> >'Unacceptable solution'

> >

> >Writing in the Lancet, the team led by Dr Lautenshlager, say that,

> >while covering up and staying out of the sun may well be the best

> >option, it is " deemed to be unacceptable in our global, outdoor

> >society " .

> >

> > " Sunscreens could become the predominant mode of sun protection for

> >various societal reasons, for example healthiness of a tan,

> >relaxation in the sun. "

> >

> >

> >Sunscreen should not be used to prolong time spent soaking up rays

> >

> >They advise that when sunscreen is used the most important factor for

> >its effectiveness is the application of a " liberal quantity " .

> >

> >But they warn that people tend not to apply sunscreen properly, only

> >putting it on once they have already been exposed to the sun and

> >applying too thin a layer.

> >

> >And they add: " Sunscreens should not be abused in an attempt to

> >increase time in the sun to a maximum. "

> >

> >Dr Kat Arney, Cancer Research UK's senior science information

> >officer, said: " This study confirms what we already know.

> >

> > " Our SunSmart Campaign has always said that sunscreen is the last

> >line of defence in protecting skin against the sun's harmful rays.

> >

> > " Many people do not use sunscreen properly and do not reapply it

> >regularly and after swimming.

> >

> > " Some believe sunscreen is an invisible shield that will give them

> >carte blanche to lie out in the sun all day. "

> >

> >Cancer Research UK advise staying in the shade when the sun is

> >hottest - between 11am and 3pm - plus covering up with a T-shirt,

> >hat, and sunglasses and using a factor 15 plus sunscreen.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >To send an email to -

> >

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I didn't write the article - and denim and dark colours are also mentioned.

 

Jo

 

 

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Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:27 PM

Re: Denim 'best protection from sun'

 

wool?

wool?

my poor sheep friends are running down the hillsides hugging their factor 9 million coats........

 

The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

 

 

This summer's way of keeping safe in the sun? As the UK heads for yet another hot summer, scientists say fabrics such as denim and wool offer the best protection against the sun's rays. Traditional summer fabrics such as cotton and linen are much less effective, they say. The Swiss researchers reviewed 500 studies from around the world on how people protect their skin. Writing in a study published online by the Lancet, they say using sunscreen is the least effective option. UK cancer experts agreed sunscreen should be the "last line of defence". Of course it can't be recommended to wear woollen fabrics on the beach Dr Stephen Lautenshlager, researcher The team from the Triemli Hospital, Zurich, Switzerland, said wearing clothes which cover the skin - plus hats and staying out of the sun - was the best method of protection. But, as well as linen and cotton being less effective, light-coloured fabrics and those that are wet also offer low levels of protection. Dr Stephen Lautenshlager, who led the research, told the BBC: "Of course it can't be recommended to wear woollen fabrics on the beach. "But it should be kept in mind that not every shirt blocks the UV radiation sufficiently." 'Unacceptable solution' Writing in the Lancet, the team led by Dr Lautenshlager, say that, while covering up and staying out of the sun may well be the best option, it is "deemed to be unacceptable in our global, outdoor society". "Sunscreens could become the predominant mode of sun protection for various societal reasons, for example healthiness of a tan, relaxation in the sun." Sunscreen should not be used to prolong time spent soaking up rays They advise that when sunscreen is used the most important factor for its effectiveness is the application of a "liberal quantity". But they warn that people tend not to apply sunscreen properly, only putting it on once they have already been exposed to the sun and applying too thin a layer. And they add: "Sunscreens should not be abused in an attempt to increase time in the sun to a maximum." Dr Kat Arney, Cancer Research UK's senior science information officer, said: "This study confirms what we already know. "Our SunSmart Campaign has always said that sunscreen is the last line of defence in protecting skin against the sun's harmful rays. "Many people do not use sunscreen properly and do not reapply it regularly and after swimming. "Some believe sunscreen is an invisible shield that will give them carte blanche to lie out in the sun all day." Cancer Research UK advise staying in the shade when the sun is hottest - between 11am and 3pm - plus covering up with a T-shirt, hat, and sunglasses and using a factor 15 plus sunscreen.

Peter H

 

 

 

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[[Not my suggestion obviously - I was more interested in the fact that darkclothes were better than light coloured.]]

 

I don't understand. Is wool somehow nonvegan? They use different breeds for wool and meat, for the most part. It isn't like milk or egg production, in which the surplus males are killed.

 

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vegans don't eat, use or consume anything that comes from an animal.

wool comes from sheared sheep

ergo, wool is not vegan

Oom Yaaqub May 3, 2007 6:52 PM Re: Denim 'best protection from sun' 

 

[[Not my suggestion obviously - I was more interested in the fact that darkclothes were better than light coloured.]]

 

I don't understand. Is wool somehow nonvegan? They use different breeds for wool and meat, for the most part. It isn't like milk or egg production, in which the surplus males are killed.

 

 

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What's Wrong with Wool? Is wool considered non-vegan? I have several woollen sweaters and a winter coat.

 

On the surface, it appears that wool is a benign product because, at least theoretically, it can be obtained without harming the sheep. However, upon closer inspection, we find that the wool industry is actually very similar to the egg and dairy industries. While animals such as laying hens, dairy cows, and wool-bearing sheep are not immediately killed to procure their salable products, they suffer tremendously for years prior to their ultimate and unavoidable slaughter.

Most people believe that sheep are overburdened with too much wool and therefore need to be shorn. Although today's wool-bearing sheep have thick, heavy coats, it is the result of selective breeding over thousands of years. These animals are descended from wild mountain sheep, still found in some remote regions of the world, which shed their fine woolly hair naturally. Wool provides sheep with warmth and protection from inclement weather and sunburn. Because our "modern" wool-bearers are extremely vulnerable to the elements without their wool, many sheep die of exposure shortly after being denuded.

From the earliest of times there was complicity in the use of wool. Merinos, which were originally from Spain, are the most efficient wool producers. Mutton breeds, which primarily originated in England, are used predominately for meat. Cross-breeds are raised for the dual purpose of meat and wool. Nevertheless, Merinos also yield mutton and mutton breeds also yield wool. No sheep escapes either function; it is just a matter of emphasis. Essentially, all wool is a slaughterhouse product.

Wool is classed as either "shorn wool," that which is shorn from sheep annually, or "pulled wool," that which is taken from sheep at the time of slaughter. Horrors abound on sheep farms, including mutilating, painful surgical procedures that are performed without anesthesia. These entail mulesing, the cutting of large strips of flesh off the hind legs to reduce fly problems, and tail docking, designed to preserve the salable condition of wool surrounding a sheep's anus, among others. A large percentage of the world's wool is produced from Merinos exported from Australia. These sheep are crammed onto ships by the tens of thousands, crowded into filthy pens, and packed so tightly they can barely move. As a result, thousands of sheep die each year from suffocation, trampling, or starvation.

Sheep shearers are paid by piece rate, meaning that speed not precision guides the process. Consequently, most sheep are roughly handled, lacerated, and injured during the process. The production of wool, as with all industries that consider animals as mere commodities, is rife with cruelty and abuse. In addition, the purchase of wool supports the continual slaughter of millions of lambs and sheep each year.

Vegans do not use wool or any other materials obtained from animals. Fortunately, there are many alternatives to wool that are cruelty-free, nonallergenic, quick-drying, easy to clean, environmentally-sound, and provide warmth without bulk. Therefore, for most new vegans, the question is usually not what can they substitute for wool but what should they do with the woollen items they already own. In many instances, this is a matter of economics.

It can become cost prohibitive to replace an entire wardrobe of sweaters, slacks, suits, and coats all at once. Some new vegans continue to wear their wool clothing until it wears out and then replace it with non-woollen items piecemeal. Others feel that wearing woollen garments, regardless of how old they may be, lends credence to their acceptability. Often new vegans sell their animal-based attire to thrift shops or donate items to shelters for homeless or battered people. Some people choose to donate any money they collect from the sale of their old animal based goods to charitable organizations that support vegan-related causes. What you do with your woollen clothing is a matter of personal choice. There are many conscionable options that can help align your apparel with your ethics.

 

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If you are a hand knitter or weaver it is very possible to obtain wool from hobby farmers who raise a few sheep under totally humane conditions. The same goes for llama and alpaca fiber--for example, in Allegheny County, PA (where Pittsburgh is) there is an alpaca farmer who sells fiber as well as ready made garments and people can go out to the farm for themselves to see how the animals are treated. An alternative is to raise Angora rabbits. They can be wonderful house pets that will even use a litter box, but you can get high quality wool from them without harming them. It seems to me this is far better for the planet than using synthetics.

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[[ vegans don't eat, use or consume anything that comes from an animal.

wool comes from sheared sheep

ergo, wool is not vegan]]

 

That definition seems a bit controversial. I know plenty of people who call themselves vegan and also knit using real wool (ideally obtained from sources known to be humane). Can a vegan ride a horse or own a dog, including a seeing eye dog?

 

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Wool is not vegan, as it comes from an animal. A vegetarian might use

wool as vegetarians just avoid the products and by products of

slaughter. A vegan would not use any substance from an animal as it

does/may come as a result of animal abuse.

 

Jo

 

, " Oom Yaaqub " <oomyaaqub wrote:

>

> [[Not my suggestion obviously - I was more interested in the fact

that dark

> clothes were better than light coloured.]]

>

> I don't understand. Is wool somehow nonvegan? They use different

breeds for wool and meat, for the most part. It isn't like milk or egg

production, in which the surplus males are killed.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't wish to get into a discussion/argument about this, but just re-

state that vegans do not buy wool or articles made from wool.

 

There are plenty of synthetic yarns to use. In my younger, less-

enlightened days, I knitted a woollen jumper - and was it itchy! I

wouldn't want to use it again. What do you feel you gain from using

wool over sythentic.

 

Jo

 

, " Oom Yaaqub " <oomyaaqub wrote:

>

> If you are a hand knitter or weaver it is very possible to obtain

wool from hobby farmers who raise a few sheep under totally humane

conditions. The same goes for llama and alpaca fiber--for example, in

Allegheny County, PA (where Pittsburgh is) there is an alpaca farmer

who sells fiber as well as ready made garments and people can go out

to the farm for themselves to see how the animals are treated. An

alternative is to raise Angora rabbits. They can be wonderful house

pets that will even use a litter box, but you can get high quality

wool from them without harming them. It seems to me this is far better

for the planet than using synthetics.

>

[Guest guest]



>I don't understand. Is wool somehow nonvegan? They use different breeds for wool and meat, for the most part. It isn't like milk or egg

>production, in which the surplus males are killed.

 

Since vegan is defined as not using anything from animals, then wool is most definitely non-vegan. In terms of ethics, the wool industry is just as bad as any other farming industry - due to modern sheep dips, it's a major cause of phosphates in the water table, and the way wool-sheep are treated is just as bad as any other famed animal... take a look at the vegan society web page for more info!

 

BB

Peter

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>That definition seems a bit controversial.

 

I'd hardly call the dictionary definition "controversial", nor the one used by the man who coined the term, or by the organisation he set up.

 

> I know plenty of people who call themselves vegan and also knit using real wool (ideally obtained from sources known to be humane).

 

Have to say I've never met anyone who does that, but if they are purchasing wool to knit with, then they're not vegan!

 

> Can a vegan ride a horse or own a dog, including a seeing eye dog?

 

I wouldn't suggest that a vegan would "own" a dog. They may choose to look after one, though. There's a major difference between owning a commodity and looking after someone.

 

BB

Peter

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While this may be the case, the term "vegan" is simply a word with a definition like any other word... it is possible to have pet chickens who lay eggs which you then consume, without doing any harm to the chickens, but doing so would mean you are not vegan. There's no "moral" or "ethical" part of the definition of the word vegan - it just means what it means, although many of us who choose to be vegan do so for ethical reasons.

 

BB

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Oom Yaaqub

Friday, May 04, 2007 2:59 AM

Re: Denim 'best protection from sun'

 

 

If you are a hand knitter or weaver it is very possible to obtain wool from hobby farmers who raise a few sheep under totally humane conditions. The same goes for llama and alpaca fiber--for example, in Allegheny County, PA (where Pittsburgh is) there is an alpaca farmer who sells fiber as well as ready made garments and people can go out to the farm for themselves to see how the animals are treated. An alternative is to raise Angora rabbits. They can be wonderful house pets that will even use a litter box, but you can get high quality wool from them without harming them. It seems to me this is far better for the planet than using synthetics.

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I want to comment on the use of wools.. as a general rule wool is not vegan due to the abuse of the animals and keeping them confined instead of living free... there is one exception.. as llamas , yaks and camels( a few other animals as well) do moult leaving there wool in mounds on the ground.. this can be collected , cleaned and knitted with ..perfectly acceptable for vegans .. but very very hard to come by ... On today market for knitting there are tons of cottons in all weights .. if you want to take it further .. you can easily find organic cotton, undyed(in 3 colors) , or cottons using natural vegetable/vegan mineral dyes , there is also bamboo yarn (very soft), soy yarn (very soft) , viscose (mostly natural but processed) , linens, hemps , and they just came out with kelp (called seacell) yarn .. no reason at all to use wool that contributes to animal explotation and abuse .. I also knew a woman who brushed her dogs and collected their

fur for three years , cleaned it and knitted a coat ... not for me , but to each their own ....... so as a knitwear designer , there is no excuse for vegans to use wool , Connieheartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: I don't wish to get into a discussion/argument about this, but just re-state that vegans do not buy wool or articles made from wool. There are plenty of synthetic yarns to use. In my younger, less-enlightened days, I knitted a woollen jumper - and was it itchy! I wouldn't want

to use it again. What do you feel you gain from using wool over sythentic.Jo , "Oom Yaaqub" <oomyaaqub wrote:>> If you are a hand knitter or weaver it is very possible to obtain wool from hobby farmers who raise a few sheep under totally humane conditions. The same goes for llama and alpaca fiber--for example, in Allegheny County, PA (where Pittsburgh is) there is an alpaca farmer who sells fiber as well as ready made garments and people can go out to the farm for themselves to see how the animals are treated. An alternative is to raise Angora rabbits. They can be wonderful house pets that will even use a litter box, but you can get high quality wool from them without harming them. It seems to me this is far better for the planet than using

synthetics.>

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make ya sorta a wool freegan wouldn't?

hahahahaha

connie bell May 4, 2007 7:29 AM Re: Re: Denim 'best protection from sun' I want to comment on the use of wools.. as a general rule wool is not vegan due to the abuse of the animals and keeping them confined instead of living free... there is one exception.. as llamas , yaks and camels( a few other animals as well) do moult leaving there wool in mounds on the ground.. this can be collected , cleaned and knitted with ..perfectly acceptable for vegans .. but very very hard to come by ... On today market for knitting there are tons of cottons in all weights .. if you want to take it further .. you can easily find organic cotton, undyed(in 3 colors) , or cottons using natural vegetable/vegan mineral dyes , there is also bamboo yarn (very soft), soy yarn (very soft) , viscose (mostly natural but processed) , linens, hemps , and they just came out with kelp (called seacell) yarn .. no reason at all to use wool that contributes to animal explotation and abuse .. I also knew a woman who brushed her dogs and collected their fur for three years , cleaned it and knitted a coat ... not for me , but to each their own ....... so as a knitwear designer , there is no excuse for vegans to use wool , Connieheartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

 

I don't wish to get into a discussion/argument about this, but just re-state that vegans do not buy wool or articles made from wool. There are plenty of synthetic yarns to use. In my younger, less-enlightened days, I knitted a woollen jumper - and was it itchy! I wouldn't want to use it again. What do you feel you gain from using wool over sythentic.Jo , "Oom Yaaqub" <oomyaaqub wrote:>> If you are a hand knitter or weaver it is very possible to obtain wool from hobby farmers who raise a few sheep under totally humane conditions. The same goes for llama and alpaca fiber--for example, in Allegheny County, PA (where Pittsburgh is) there is an alpaca farmer who sells fiber as well as ready made garments and people can go out to the farm for themselves to see how the animals are treated. An alternative is to raise Angora rabbits. They can be wonderful house pets that will even use a litter box, but you can get high quality wool from them without harming them. It seems to me this is far better for the planet than using synthetics.>

 

 

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Hi Connie

 

Thanks for all that information - I have never heard of some of the yarns you mention, bamboo and soy ones particularly. I wonder if they are available in the UK.

 

Jo

 

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connie bell

Friday, May 04, 2007 3:29 PM

Re: Re: Denim 'best protection from sun'

I want to comment on the use of wools.. as a general rule wool is not vegan due to the abuse of the animals and keeping them confined instead of living free... there is one exception.. as llamas , yaks and camels( a few other animals as well) do moult leaving there wool in mounds on the ground.. this can be collected , cleaned and knitted with ..perfectly acceptable for vegans .. but very very hard to come by ... On today market for knitting there are tons of cottons in all weights .. if you want to take it further .. you can easily find organic cotton, undyed(in 3 colors) , or cottons using natural vegetable/vegan mineral dyes , there is also bamboo yarn (very soft), soy yarn (very soft) , viscose (mostly natural but processed) , linens, hemps , and they just came out with kelp (called seacell) yarn .. no reason at all to use wool that contributes to animal explotation and abuse .. I also knew a woman who brushed her dogs and collected their fur for three years , cleaned it and knitted a coat ... not for me , but to each their own ....... so as a knitwear designer , there is no excuse for vegans to use wool , Connieheartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

 

I don't wish to get into a discussion/argument about this, but just re-state that vegans do not buy wool or articles made from wool. There are plenty of synthetic yarns to use. In my younger, less-enlightened days, I knitted a woollen jumper - and was it itchy! I wouldn't want to use it again. What do you feel you gain from using wool over sythentic.Jo , "Oom Yaaqub" <oomyaaqub wrote:>> If you are a hand knitter or weaver it is very possible to obtain wool from hobby farmers who raise a few sheep under totally humane conditions. The same goes for llama and alpaca fiber--for example, in Allegheny County, PA (where Pittsburgh is) there is an alpaca farmer who sells fiber as well as ready made garments and people can go out to the farm for themselves to see how the animals are treated. An alternative is to raise Angora rabbits. They can be wonderful house pets that will even use a litter box, but you can get high quality wool from them without harming them. It seems to me this is far better for the planet than using synthetics.>

 

 

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is riding a horse making it a beast of burden? how could it be vegan?I`m sure they would rather run free as nature intended without 100 or so pounds on their backs........... The Valley Vegan.............Oom Yaaqub <oomyaaqub wrote:  [[ vegans don't eat, use or consume anything that comes from an animal. wool comes from sheared sheep ergo, wool

is not vegan]] That definition seems a bit controversial. I know plenty of people who call themselves vegan and also knit using real wool (ideally obtained from sources known to be humane). Can a vegan ride a horse or own a dog, including a seeing eye dog? Peter H

 

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Then I ask, again, can a vegan even justify having a pet? Some people consider that exploitation, too. I would agree that if a vegan uses wool or animal fiber, he/she is obligated to make sure the animals were humanely raised and that none were slaughtered. But be aware that according to the dictionary, a vegan is defined as somebody who doesn't EAT animal products, not someone who doesn't wear them.

 

 

 

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Wool is not vegan, as it comes from an animal. A vegetarian might use wool as vegetarians just avoid the products and by products of slaughter. A vegan would not use any substance from an animal as it does/may come as a result of animal abuse.Jo , "Oom Yaaqub" <oomyaaqub wrote:>> [[Not my suggestion obviously - I was more interested in the fact that dark> clothes were better than light coloured.]]> > I don't understand. Is wool somehow nonvegan? They use different breeds for wool and meat, for the most part. It isn't like milk or egg production, in which the surplus males are killed.>

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[[i wouldn't suggest that a vegan would "own" a dog. They may choose to look after one, though. There's a major difference between owning a commodity and looking after someone.]]

 

I appreciate the distinction, but the law in most places considers you a "dog owner" if you are responsible for one. I think you knew what I meant. What about riding horses? Although I'm now an urban dweller, in the past I have owned and trained several horses. I know that if you buy one as an adult, you have no idea if it was trained in a humane manner. But if you buy a young colt or filly and train him or her yourself, would that be vegan? If it is, then why isn't it okay to keep a few sheep or rabbits and knit with their wool? (Or a dog, as some have pointed out?) What is the difference? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I really want to know.

 

 

 

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I dont limit my defenition to the word EAT, I prefer exploitation, and living a compassionate lifestyle is for me what being a vegan is. I have three cats living with me, I gave them a home when they had none, they can leave any time they like, am I doing wrong by them? The Valley Vegan...........Oom Yaaqub <oomyaaqub wrote: Then I ask, again, can a vegan even justify

having a pet? Some people consider that exploitation, too. I would agree that if a vegan uses wool or animal fiber, he/she is obligated to make sure the animals were humanely raised and that none were slaughtered. But be aware that according to the dictionary, a vegan is defined as somebody who doesn't EAT animal products, not someone who doesn't wear them. - heartwerk Friday, May 04, 2007 2:30 AM Re: Denim

'best protection from sun' Wool is not vegan, as it comes from an animal. A vegetarian might use wool as vegetarians just avoid the products and by products of slaughter. A vegan would not use any substance from an animal as it does/may come as a result of animal abuse.Jo , "Oom Yaaqub" <oomyaaqub wrote:>> [[Not my suggestion obviously - I was more interested in the fact that dark> clothes were better than light coloured.]]> > I don't understand. Is wool somehow nonvegan? They use different breeds for wool and meat, for the most part. It isn't like milk or egg production, in which the surplus males are killed.> Peter H

 

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If you get bored, you can open and or download the Vegan Societys leaflet on wool : http://www.vegansociety.com/phpwsphatfile/wool.pdf The Valley Vegan........ fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: from vegsource What's Wrong with Wool? Is wool considered non-vegan? I have several woollen sweaters and a winter coat. On the surface, it appears that wool is a benign product because, at least theoretically, it can be obtained without harming the sheep. However, upon closer inspection, we find that the wool industry is actually very similar to the egg and dairy industries. While animals such as laying hens, dairy cows, and wool-bearing sheep are not immediately killed to procure their salable products, they suffer tremendously for years prior to their ultimate and unavoidable slaughter. Most people believe that sheep are overburdened

with too much wool and therefore need to be shorn. Although today's wool-bearing sheep have thick, heavy coats, it is the result of selective breeding over thousands of years. These animals are descended from wild mountain sheep, still found in some remote regions of the world, which shed their fine woolly hair naturally. Wool provides sheep with warmth and protection from inclement weather and sunburn. Because our "modern" wool-bearers are extremely vulnerable to the elements without their wool, many sheep die of exposure shortly after being denuded. From the earliest of times there was complicity in the use of wool. Merinos, which were originally from Spain, are the most efficient wool producers. Mutton breeds, which primarily originated in England, are used predominately for meat. Cross-breeds are raised for the dual purpose of meat and wool. Nevertheless, Merinos also yield mutton and mutton breeds also yield wool. No sheep escapes

either function; it is just a matter of emphasis. Essentially, all wool is a slaughterhouse product. Wool is classed as either "shorn wool," that which is shorn from sheep annually, or "pulled wool," that which is taken from sheep at the time of slaughter. Horrors abound on sheep farms, including mutilating, painful surgical procedures that are performed without anesthesia. These entail mulesing, the cutting of large strips of flesh off the hind legs to reduce fly problems, and tail docking, designed to preserve the salable condition of wool surrounding a sheep's anus, among others. A large percentage of the world's wool is produced from Merinos exported from Australia. These sheep are crammed onto ships by the tens of thousands, crowded into filthy pens, and packed so tightly they can barely move. As a result, thousands of sheep die each year from suffocation, trampling, or starvation. Sheep shearers are paid

by piece rate, meaning that speed not precision guides the process. Consequently, most sheep are roughly handled, lacerated, and injured during the process. The production of wool, as with all industries that consider animals as mere commodities, is rife with cruelty and abuse. In addition, the purchase of wool supports the continual slaughter of millions of lambs and sheep each year. Vegans do not use wool or any other materials obtained from animals. Fortunately, there are many alternatives to wool that are cruelty-free, nonallergenic, quick-drying, easy to clean, environmentally-sound, and provide warmth without bulk. Therefore, for most new vegans, the question is usually not what can they substitute for wool but what should they do with the woollen items they already own. In many instances, this is a matter of economics. It can become cost prohibitive to replace an entire wardrobe of sweaters,

slacks, suits, and coats all at once. Some new vegans continue to wear their wool clothing until it wears out and then replace it with non-woollen items piecemeal. Others feel that wearing woollen garments, regardless of how old they may be, lends credence to their acceptability. Often new vegans sell their animal-based attire to thrift shops or donate items to shelters for homeless or battered people. Some people choose to donate any money they collect from the sale of their old animal based goods to charitable organizations that support vegan-related causes. What you do with your woollen clothing is a matter of personal choice. There are many conscionable options that can help align your apparel with your ethics. 1998-2007 by Jo Stepaniak All rights reserved.Nothing on this web site may be reproduced in any waywithout express written permission from the copyright

holder. There is power in a factory, power in the land Power in the hands of a worker But it all amounts to nothing if together we don't stand There is power in a Union Now the lessons of the past were all learned with workers' blood The mistakes of the bosses we must pay for From the cities and the farmlands to trenches full of mud War has always been the bosses' way, sir Peter H

 

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The sheep are just waiting for the sun to come up and will be laughing at the dogs that worry them, thinking how much better they are protected.............. brain going into emergency power now,..........babling like a brook........... The Valley Vegan.........jo <jo.heartwork wrote: I didn't write the article - and denim and dark colours are also mentioned. Jo - peter VV Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:27 PM Re: Denim 'best protection from sun' wool? wool? my poor sheep friends are running down the hillsides hugging their factor 9 million coats........ The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: This summer's way of keeping safe in the sun? As the UK heads for yet another hot summer, scientists say fabrics such as denim and wool offer the best protection against the sun's rays. Traditional summer fabrics such as cotton and linen are much less effective, they say. The Swiss researchers reviewed 500 studies from around the world on how people protect their skin. Writing in a study published online by the Lancet, they say using sunscreen is the least effective option. UK cancer experts agreed sunscreen should be the "last line of defence". Of course it can't be recommended to wear woollen fabrics on the beach Dr Stephen Lautenshlager, researcher The team from the Triemli

Hospital, Zurich, Switzerland, said wearing clothes which cover the skin - plus hats and staying out of the sun - was the best method of protection. But, as well as linen and cotton being less effective, light-coloured fabrics and those that are wet also offer low levels of protection. Dr Stephen Lautenshlager, who led the research, told the BBC: "Of course it can't be recommended to wear woollen fabrics on the beach. "But it should be kept in mind that not every shirt blocks the UV radiation sufficiently." 'Unacceptable solution' Writing in the Lancet, the team led by Dr Lautenshlager, say that, while covering up and staying out of the sun may well be the best option, it is "deemed to be unacceptable in our global, outdoor society". "Sunscreens could become the predominant mode of sun protection for various societal reasons, for example healthiness of a tan, relaxation in the

sun." Sunscreen should not be used to prolong time spent soaking up rays They advise that when sunscreen is used the most important factor for its effectiveness is the application of a "liberal quantity". But they warn that people tend not to apply sunscreen properly, only putting it on once they have already been exposed to the sun and applying too thin a layer. And they add: "Sunscreens should not be abused in an attempt to increase time in the sun to a maximum." Dr Kat Arney, Cancer Research UK's senior science information officer, said: "This study confirms what we already know. "Our SunSmart Campaign has always said that sunscreen is the last line of defence in protecting skin against the sun's harmful rays. "Many people do not use sunscreen properly and do not reapply it regularly and after swimming. "Some believe sunscreen is an invisible shield that will give them carte

blanche to lie out in the sun all day." Cancer Research UK advise staying in the shade when the sun is hottest - between 11am and 3pm - plus covering up with a T-shirt, hat, and sunglasses and using a factor 15 plus sunscreen. Peter H Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. Peter H

 

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Your cats are free to leave? Lots of people would consider it cruel that you let your cats run loose, and in some jurisdictions it is actually against the law. For example, I live in the middle of a big city so it would be crazy, not to mention extremely cruel, if I let any of my animals "choose" to leave the safety of my fenced yard. I would also end up with a huge fine if I did so. When I adopted my pets from the shelter, I had to sign a legally binding contract stating that they would be confined at all times. It is a dangerous world out there; I can't even let my children "run free" without knowing where they are at all times. If I did, I could end up in jail.

 

 

 

 

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Friday, May 04, 2007 4:13 PM

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I dont limit my defenition to the word EAT, I prefer exploitation, and living a compassionate lifestyle is for me what being a vegan is.

I have three cats living with me, I gave them a home when they had none, they can leave any time they like, am I doing wrong by them?

 

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Then I ask, again, can a vegan even justify having a pet? Some people consider that exploitation, too. I would agree that if a vegan uses wool or animal fiber, he/she is obligated to make sure the animals were humanely raised and that none were slaughtered. But be aware that according to the dictionary, a vegan is defined as somebody who doesn't EAT animal products, not someone who doesn't wear them.

 

 

 

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Friday, May 04, 2007 2:30 AM

Re: Denim 'best protection from sun'

 

 

Wool is not vegan, as it comes from an animal. A vegetarian might use wool as vegetarians just avoid the products and by products of slaughter. A vegan would not use any substance from an animal as it does/may come as a result of animal abuse.Jo , "Oom Yaaqub" <oomyaaqub wrote:>> [[Not my suggestion obviously - I was more interested in the fact that dark> clothes were better than light coloured.]]> > I don't understand. Is wool somehow nonvegan? They use different breeds for wool and meat, for the most part. It isn't like milk or egg production, in which the surplus males are killed.>

 

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[[The sheep are just waiting for the sun to come up and will be laughing at the dogs that worry them, thinking how much better they are protected..............]]

 

Most of the shepherds in the world don't even keep sheep herding dogs. Some do keep livestock guarding dogs---which are raised with the sheep from the time they are tiny puppies, so they think they ARE sheep.