Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2006 Hi Peter I don't thin so - I've never seen it in listings or advertised. BB Jo , " Peter " <metalscarab wrote: > > Hi Jo > > What - not even on UK Gold? I'm surprised! > > BB > Peter > - > jo > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:46 PM > Re: Re: Toad > > > Hi Peter > > Oh yes - that might be best :-) They never repeated that programme you know! > > BB > Jo > - > Peter Kebbell > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:38 PM > Re: Re: Toad > > > Hi Jo > > >He hasn't said his name yet - Maybe he will be my familiar :-) I will > >call him George ........ > > Not Touchwood? :-) > > BB > Peter > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2006 Hi Peter We have crows at some times of the year, but not at present - they stay mainly in the woods. We also have herons, but we also have lots of big fish in the lakes, and a trout farm about half a mile away, so I guess they wouldn't bother with the tiddly little frogs. We do have too many cats - our neighbour has seven, no dogs and some foxes. Jo , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > I`m surprised that you dont have crows, blackbirds will have a go at froglets, do you have any Herons in the area? tadpoles have been known to be canibalistic, cats/foxes/badgers will eat frogs.....oh and the French! > > The Valley Vegan.................. > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > Hi Peter > > I think they are in decline. We used to see more. > > Which birds eat frogs? We don't have any rooks or crows or magpies > coming in at the moment. We have lots of small birds - chaffinches, > bluetits, great-tits, coal tits, and long-tailed tits, robins, > greenfinches, nuthatch, tree-creeper, bullfinches and the greater > spotted woodpecker. > > Jo > > , peter VV wrote: > > > > I havent seen a toad in a garden since I was a little boy. Are they > in decline in urban areas? > > I bet the birds are having a feast in your garden? > > > > The Valley Vegan............. > > > > jo wrote: > > We have a lovely little toad living in the porch. Just > lately he must have taken to sitting on the little ledge of the door, > because every time I open the door, he falls into the kitchen. We > also have loads of tiny baby frogs at present. Colin has to walk > around the garden to give them plenty of warning when he is going to > mow the lawn. > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage > with All New Mail. > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2006 Herons will eat frogs till the cows come home! The Valley Vegan............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi PeterWe have crows at some times of the year, but not at present - they stay mainly in the woods. We also have herons, but we also have lots of big fish in the lakes, and a trout farm about half a mile away, so I guess they wouldn't bother with the tiddly little frogs. We do have too many cats - our neighbour has seven, no dogs and some foxes.Jo , peter VV wrote:>> I`m surprised that you dont have crows, blackbirds will have a go at froglets, do you have any Herons in the area? tadpoles have been known to be canibalistic, cats/foxes/badgers will eat frogs.....oh and the French!> > The Valley Vegan..................> > heartwerk wrote:> Hi Peter> > I think they are in decline. We used to see more.> > Which birds eat frogs? We don't have any rooks or crows or magpies > coming in at the moment. We have lots of small birds - chaffinches, > bluetits, great-tits, coal tits, and long-tailed tits, robins, > greenfinches, nuthatch, tree-creeper, bullfinches and the greater > spotted woodpecker. > > Jo> > , peter VV wrote:> >> > I havent seen a toad in a garden since I was a little boy. Are they > in decline in urban areas?> > I bet the birds are having a feast in your garden?> > > > The Valley Vegan.............> > > > jo wrote:> > We have a lovely little toad living in the porch. Just > lately he must have taken to sitting on the little ledge of the door, > because every time I open the door, he falls into the kitchen. We > also have loads of tiny baby frogs at present. Colin has to walk > around the garden to give them plenty of warning when he is going to > mow the lawn.> > > > Jo> > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage > with All New Mail.> >> > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2006 Hi Peter >Herons will eat frogs till the cows come home! And the molusc has been captured by the onion seller *knowing wink*.... BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2006 Hi Peter I've never seen any in our garden, only flying over to the lakes - maybe there's even more frogs to eat by the lakes. Jo - peter VV Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:27 PM Re: Re: Toad Herons will eat frogs till the cows come home! The Valley Vegan............ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2006 Is that a code (Jeeves & Wooster) BBJo - Peter Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:59 PM Re: Re: Toad Hi Peter >Herons will eat frogs till the cows come home! And the molusc has been captured by the onion seller *knowing wink*.... BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2006 John has a long mustache Peter Sep 21, 2006 10:59 AM Re: Re: Toad Hi Peter >Herons will eat frogs till the cows come home! And the molusc has been captured by the onion seller *knowing wink*.... BB Peter As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness. William O. Douglas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2006 In that case... beware of the speckled cow when the moon is full. - fraggle Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:53 PM Re: Re: Toad John has a long mustache Peter Sep 21, 2006 10:59 AM Re: Re: Toad Hi Peter >Herons will eat frogs till the cows come home! And the molusc has been captured by the onion seller *knowing wink*.... BB Peter As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness. William O. Douglas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2006 .........especially if it is stuck in a pipe! BBJo - Peter Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:06 PM Re: Re: Toad In that case... beware of the speckled cow when the moon is full. - fraggle Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:53 PM Re: Re: Toad John has a long mustache Peter Sep 21, 2006 10:59 AM Re: Re: Toad Hi Peter >Herons will eat frogs till the cows come home! And the molusc has been captured by the onion seller *knowing wink*.... BB PeterAs nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness. William O. Douglas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 that is a city! nice pictures, well at least you live near a lake. here is were i live http://maps.google.com/ and if you see anything green, it is just a golf club, not a park. by the way, I might threaten to visit your area someday, probably not soon, but i have free jetblue miles, and it's attractive to be with such open minded, culture as that SF area, and all those restaurants.. , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > that movie takes place on nob hill, er as its usually called " Snob hill " ...lotsa trees and such...but its not like wild er anything > lotsa parks around here and such..and we are surrounded by regional parks and open lands...but i live smack dab in the middle of oakland.,..concrete and asphalt everywhere.... > plus..no water..nowhere for them to breed > > http://www.talkingtospirit.com/Oakland1.jpg > http://www.photovault.com/Link/Cities/San/BayAreaSanFrancisco/show.asp?tg=CSBVol\ ume01/CSBV01P05_14 > http://www.photovault.com/Link/Cities/San/BayAreaSanFrancisco/Places/Oakland.htm\ l > http://www.oaklandnet.com/ > http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map & q=Oakland,+CA > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 hi jo, just 30 dollars, that is all we spend on a plastic tub at home depot, then we put it in. 30 dollars = 10,000 frogs here is a picture of us doing it. http://www.fotolog.com/zurumato/?pid=7885138 also dragonflies. , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > We keep wondering about putting in a small pond but haven't got round to it > yet. Maybe it will happen. > > Jo > > - > " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:37 PM > Re: Toad > > > > they need water to lay their eggs. > > we dug a hole in the ground last year until it was a little pond > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 it was bad of me to hold her, it's best humans not touch toads, they are probably scared of us. one day, my cat, slipped out the door between my feet and went into the garden and caught her in his mouth. she then spurted out some sort of liquid, which made him spit her out. I'm pretty sure it was the same toad, gwendolin. , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > Cute photo, dont advise that you handle it too much though? > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 what do you do about mosquitos? or the water turning foul? >Anouk Sickler <zurumato >Sep 22, 2006 8:33 AM > > Re: Toad > >hi jo, > >just 30 dollars, that is all we spend on a plastic tub at home depot, >then we put it >in. >30 dollars = 10,000 frogs > >here is a picture of us doing it. >http://www.fotolog.com/zurumato/?pid=7885138 > >also dragonflies. > > , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote: >> >> We keep wondering about putting in a small pond but haven't got >round to it >> yet. Maybe it will happen. >> >> Jo >> >> - >> " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato >> >> Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:37 PM >> Re: Toad >> >> >> > they need water to lay their eggs. >> > we dug a hole in the ground last year until it was a little pond >> > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 good way for kitty to turn toe up toads secrete a poison located in glands behind the head.... er, the toad could have just urinated as well..they do that when they are scared >Anouk Sickler <zurumato >Sep 22, 2006 8:42 AM > > Re: Toad > >it was bad of me to hold her, >it's best humans not touch toads, they are probably scared of us. > >one day, my cat, slipped out the door between my feet >and went into the garden and caught her in his mouth. >she then spurted out some sort of liquid, which made him >spit her out. > >I'm pretty sure it was the same toad, gwendolin. > > , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: >> >> Cute photo, dont advise that you handle it too much though? >> >> > > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 that was just the google map link...it is going to show whatever you have saved on google map, not your place anouk... as for the lake..thats lake merritt..brackish semi-tidal open sewer... real lakes are up in the hills.. and...come on out.... tho..i prolly won't reciprocate....not a big fan of florida.... we won tickets to florida last year, and didn't go... fraggle >Anouk Sickler <zurumato >Sep 22, 2006 8:19 AM > > Re: Toad > >that is a city! > >nice pictures, well at least you live near a lake. > >here is were i live >http://maps.google.com/ > > and if you see anything green, >it is just a golf club, not a park. > >by the way, I might threaten to visit your area someday, >probably not soon, but > >i have free jetblue miles, and it's attractive to >be with such open minded, culture as that SF area, and all those >restaurants.. > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: >> >> that movie takes place on nob hill, er as its usually called " Snob >hill " ...lotsa trees and such...but its not like wild er anything >> lotsa parks around here and such..and we are surrounded by regional >parks and open lands...but i live smack dab in the middle of >oakland.,..concrete and asphalt everywhere.... >> plus..no water..nowhere for them to breed >> >> http://www.talkingtospirit.com/Oakland1.jpg >> >http://www.photovault.com/Link/Cities/San/BayAreaSanFrancisco/show.asp?tg=CSBVo\ lume01/CSBV01P05_14 >> >http://www.photovault.com/Link/Cities/San/BayAreaSanFrancisco/Places/Oakland.ht\ ml >> http://www.oaklandnet.com/ >> http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map & q=Oakland,+CA >> > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 Good job you dont have cane toads like in oz.......... The Valley Vegan..............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: good way for kitty to turn toe uptoads secrete a poison located in glands behind the head....er, the toad could have just urinated as well..they do that when they are scared>Anouk Sickler >Sep 22, 2006 8:42 AM> > Re: Toad>>it was bad of me to hold her, >it's best humans not touch toads, they are probably scared of us.>>one day, my cat, slipped out the door between my feet>and went into the garden and caught her in his mouth. >she then spurted out some sort of liquid, which made him>spit her out. >>I'm pretty sure it was the same toad, gwendolin. >> , peter VV wrote:>>>> Cute photo, dont advise that you handle it too much though?>> >>>>>>>>To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 bales of barley straw are good at keeping the blaket weed etc down, and you need some oxygenating plants surely? The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: what do you do about mosquitos?or the water turning foul?>Anouk Sickler >Sep 22, 2006 8:33 AM> > Re: Toad>>hi jo, >>just 30 dollars, that is all we spend on a plastic tub at home depot,>then we put it>in. >30 dollars = 10,000 frogs >>here is a picture of us doing it.>http://www.fotolog.com/zurumato/?pid=7885138>>also dragonflies. >> , "jo" wrote:>>>> We keep wondering about putting in a small pond but haven't got>round to it>> yet. Maybe it will happen.>> >> Jo>> >> ->> "Anouk Sickler" >> >> Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:37 PM>> Re: Toad>> >> >> > they need water to lay their eggs.>> > we dug a hole in the ground last year until it was a little pond>> >>>>>>>>To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 unfortunately they do... they came in the 50's to florida.... peter VV Sep 22, 2006 12:00 PM Re: Re: Toad Good job you dont have cane toads like in oz.......... The Valley Vegan..............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness. William O. Douglas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 oxygen shouldn't be very big of a problem in the water as tadpoles learn to gulp air at a very young age blanket weed...i assume thats what we just call algae peter VV Sep 22, 2006 12:03 PM Re: Re: Toad bales of barley straw are good at keeping the blaket weed etc down, and you need some oxygenating plants surely? The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: what do you do about mosquitos?or the water turning foul?>Anouk Sickler >Sep 22, 2006 8:33 AM> > Re: Toad>>hi jo, >>just 30 dollars, that is all we spend on a plastic tub at home depot,>then we put it>in. >30 dollars = 10,000 frogs >>here is a picture of us doing it.>http://www.fotolog.com/zurumato/?pid=7885138>>also dragonflies. >> , "jo" wrote:>>>> We keep wondering about putting in a small pond but haven't got>round to it>> yet. Maybe it will happen.>> >> Jo>> >> ->> "Anouk Sickler" >> >> Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:37 PM>> Re: Toad>> >> >> > they need water to lay their eggs.>> > we dug a hole in the ground last year until it was a little pond>> >>>>>>>>To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 Oh my giddy aunt, I hope that isnt Anouks toad? I dont think the cat would be alive now if it was, she realy shouldnt handle it at all. The Valley Vegan................fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: unfortunately they do... they came in the 50's to florida.... peter VV Sep 22, 2006 12:00 PM Re: Re: Toad Good job you dont have cane toads like in oz.......... The Valley Vegan..............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness. William O. Douglas Peter H All New Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 The water will get stagnant without oxygenators surely? The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: oxygen shouldn't be very big of a problem in the water as tadpoles learn to gulp air at a very young age blanket weed...i assume thats what we just call algae peter VV Sep 22, 2006 12:03 PM Re: Re: Toad bales of barley straw are good at keeping the blaket weed etc down, and you need some oxygenating plants surely? The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: what do you do about mosquitos?or the water turning foul?>Anouk Sickler >Sep 22, 2006 8:33 AM> > Re: Toad>>hi jo, >>just 30 dollars, that is all we spend on a plastic tub at home depot,>then we put it>in. >30 dollars = 10,000 frogs >>here is a picture of us doing it.>http://www.fotolog.com/zurumato/?pid=7885138>>also dragonflies. >> , "jo" wrote:>>>> We keep wondering about putting in a small pond but haven't got>round to it>> yet. Maybe it will happen.>> >> Jo>> >> ->> "Anouk Sickler" >> >> Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:37 PM>> Re: Toad>> >> >> > they need water to lay their eggs.>> > we dug a hole in the ground last year until it was a little pond>> >>>>>>>>To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 no idea..there are suomthing like just shy 100 speices of frogs and toads in florida nowadyas(native and invasive)... that could have been a southern toad..i can't recall from the picture peter VV Sep 22, 2006 12:15 PM Re: Re: Toad Oh my giddy aunt, I hope that isnt Anouks toad? I dont think the cat would be alive now if it was, she realy shouldnt handle it at all. The Valley Vegan................fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: unfortunately they do... they came in the 50's to florida.... peter VV Sep 22, 2006 12:00 PM Re: Re: Toad Good job you dont have cane toads like in oz.......... The Valley Vegan..............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness. William O. Douglas Peter H All New Mail Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness. William O. Douglas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 unless its large, water will get stagnent even with oxygenators wot you need is a wide surface area, so molecules can transfer back and forth across peter VV Sep 22, 2006 12:24 PM Re: Re: Toad The water will get stagnant without oxygenators surely? The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: oxygen shouldn't be very big of a problem in the water as tadpoles learn to gulp air at a very young age blanket weed...i assume thats what we just call algae peter VV Sep 22, 2006 12:03 PM Re: Re: Toad bales of barley straw are good at keeping the blaket weed etc down, and you need some oxygenating plants surely? The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: what do you do about mosquitos?or the water turning foul?>Anouk Sickler >Sep 22, 2006 8:33 AM> > Re: Toad>>hi jo, >>just 30 dollars, that is all we spend on a plastic tub at home depot,>then we put it>in. >30 dollars = 10,000 frogs >>here is a picture of us doing it.>http://www.fotolog.com/zurumato/?pid=7885138>>also dragonflies. >> , "jo" wrote:>>>> We keep wondering about putting in a small pond but haven't got>round to it>> yet. Maybe it will happen.>> >> Jo>> >> ->> "Anouk Sickler" >> >> Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:37 PM>> Re: Toad>> >> >> > they need water to lay their eggs.>> > we dug a hole in the ground last year until it was a little pond>> >>>>>>>>To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 Pond plants are essential to achieve a correct water balance and provide surface cover in your garden pond. Without them your water will probably resemble pea soup, as algae will grow prolifically. Plant foliage absorbs carbon dioxide and minerals from the water which 'starves' the algae. About half of the water surface should be covered with foliage to achieve this balance. Pond plants fall into four basic groups. Each is important to the health of your pond. The groups are oxygenators, floaters, marginals and deep water aquatics. Oxygenators are very important for keeping the water clear. Their roots and stems are submerged and usually the leaves are submerged as well. They are often bought in bunches. You will need one bunch for each 3 sq. ft. of surface area. Most oxygenators do not flower, but two exceptions are water violet and water buttercup. Water buttercup Water milfoil is effective for a small pond. Willow moss is evergreen, slow growing and effective. Hornwort and 'curly pond weed (elodea crispa) are also effective. Floaters are just that. You simply drop them into the pond. Their roots are submerged and their leaves and stems float either on or just below the surface. They provide surface cover. Many of them sink and overwinter at the bottom of your pond. Water hyacinth is a flowering 'floater' (but only in a good summer). Other floaters include frog-bit, water lettuce and water soldier. Fairy moss and duck weed are also floaters, but can be invasive and are best avoided. Once you have duck weed established in your pond, you will never get rid of it! Water hyacinth Marginals cover a vast variety of plants. Marsh marigolds (Caltha palustris) are popular, as are water forget-me-nots. Pickerel weed (potederia) is worth growing. Whole books are devoted to pond plants and can avoid you buying unsuitable plants for your size of pond. Recommended Reading:- Rock & Water Garden Expert by Dr. D.G. Hessayon. Marginals usually reside in either the shallow part of the pond or on a marginal shelf. Many are just as happy in the damp, boggy surrounds of the pond. They do not play a role in conserving the natural 'balance' of the pond but are ornamental and provide some protection for your frogs and other pond creatures from the visiting herons and other predators. Marsh Marigold - Alba Pickerel Weed Marginals are generally planted in special baskets using aquatic compost (low in nutrients to minimize undesirable algae growth). Water Hawthorn Golden Club Deep Water Aquatics need to be planted a foot or more deep. Their leaves help to keep your pond life cool, provide shelter and assist in keeping the water clear by limiting the sun's rays. Water hawthorn (aponogeton) is fragrant, long flowering and will tolerate moving water and some shade. Golden club (orontium) needs to be planted in a deep tub. Has distinctive yellow and white flower heads. Try to also grow plants round the outside of your pond to enhance its appearance. These will also provide a safe refuge for froglets from predators such as blackbirds and heronsfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: unless its large, water will get stagnent even with oxygenators wot you need is a wide surface area, so molecules can transfer back and forth across peter VV Sep 22, 2006 12:24 PM Re: Re: Toad The water will get stagnant without oxygenators surely? The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: oxygen shouldn't be very big of a problem in the water as tadpoles learn to gulp air at a very young age blanket weed...i assume thats what we just call algae peter VV Sep 22, 2006 12:03 PM Re: Re: Toad bales of barley straw are good at keeping the blaket weed etc down, and you need some oxygenating plants surely? The Valley Vegan...............Peter H All New Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 23, 2006 HI Anouk Do you have to clean it out, and how often? Jo - " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato Friday, September 22, 2006 4:33 PM Re: Toad > hi jo, > > just 30 dollars, that is all we spend on a plastic tub at home depot, > then we put it > in. > 30 dollars = 10,000 frogs > > here is a picture of us doing it. > http://www.fotolog.com/zurumato/?pid=7885138 > > also dragonflies. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
