Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2006 I, for one, cannot wait until I can breathe properly at a concert, and not suffer from a sore throat and cough for three days afterwards. Jo Smoking will be banned in all pubs, clubs and restaurants in England from the summer of 2007, MPs have decided. The Commons decided by a margin of 200 votes to impose a ban on smoking in all enclosed spaces, despite months of wrangling over the issue. Labour MPs were given a free vote amid fears they could rebel against plans to exempt private clubs and non-food pubs. Campaigners say the ban will make England healthier but others say it is an infringement of civil liberties. Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt said the change would " save thousands of people's lives " . Cancer Research UK said it was the biggest step forward in public health for half a century while the British Heart Foundation described Tuesday's decision as " the best possible Valentine's gift from MPs to bar workers " . We have this huge opportunity and we have to got to make it work - to encourage more people to give up smoking, but also to create a different culture Caroline Flint Reaction to the votes How Labour MPs voted Q & A: Smoking ban Deborah Arnott, of anti-smoking group Ash, said she was " amazed " and " very delighted " by the decision but said more needed to be done to give smokers " all the help they can to give up smoking " . And public health minister Caroline Flint told BBC News the ban would lead to a cultural change in England. " We have this huge opportunity and we have to got to make it work - to encourage more people to give up smoking, but also to create a different culture, " she said. Earlier, Ms Flint said fines for failing to stop people smoking in restricted areas would go up by more than 10 times from £200 to £2,500. Simon Clark, director of smoking support group Forest, conceded that the pro-smoking lobby had " lost the battle but not necessarily the war " . About one third of people who smoke more than 20 cigarettes a day will have their first within five minutes of waking " People will continue to smoke and the idea that people are all going to give up smoking simply because they can't smoke in a pub is nonsense, " he told BBC News. " But one of the problems with the ban when it comes in, will be that people will move into the street, they'll smoke more at home, and it could end up being counter productive. " Chris Ogden, director of trade and industry affairs at the Tobacco Manufacturers Association, expressed his " disappointment " at the decision. " It goes against the government's own manifesto commitment, " he told BBC Radio Five Live. " The fact is that many thousands, millions of adults will chose to smoke on an informed basis and we will continue to serve that market both domestically and globally. " Many MPs opposed a smoking ban on civil liberties grounds. Smoking is already to be banned in pubs and clubs in Scotland and Northern Ireland. The Health Bill gives the Welsh Assembly the right to decide for itself whether to implement a ban it has already twice approved in principle. Three choices The Cabinet originally proposed prohibiting smoking only in pubs serving food, in line with Labour's election manifesto. A free vote was offered after many Labour MPs, fearing a partial ban could increase health inequalities among customers and staff, threatened to rebel. Ministers came up with three choices: a total ban; exempting private clubs; or exempting clubs and pubs not serving food. MPs overwhelmingly voted for a complete ban with Prime Minister Blair and Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt effectively voting against their own policy. In the Commons votes, MPs first ended an exemption for pubs not serving food by 453 votes to 125, a majority of 328, and then to extend the ban to private clubs by 384 votes to 184, a majority of 200. Conservative MPs were offered a free vote on the issue. Shadow health secretary Andrew Lansley said ministers had " put forward proposals which their own backbenchers thought were completely unworkable " but he hailed the result as " a very important step " . And Liberal Democrat health spokesman Steve Webb hailed the result as " good news for the health and safety of people who work in public places. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2006 wow how well do you think it will be enforced? they've had a ban on smoking in restaurants and public buildings for years here in california, and they extended it to bars a number of years ago..but...most bars i go to ppl still smoke...... fraggle >heartwerk <jo.heartwork >Feb 14, 2006 11:48 PM > > Public Smoking Ban 2007 > >I, for one, cannot wait until I can breathe properly at a concert, >and not suffer from a sore throat and cough for three days afterwards. > >Jo > >Smoking will be banned in all pubs, clubs and restaurants in England >from the summer of 2007, MPs have decided. " I challenge anyone to live on my salary " [$158,000 a year]. Tom Delay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2006 I don't know. They seem to be proposing heavy fines if it is not adhered to. I shall start emailing venues beforehand to make sure they know what's wanted :-) When we went to the Bloodstock metalfest last year they had banned smoking in the main halls, and allowed it in the merchandise areas and hallways. It was a lot better. Nobody seemed to kick up a fuss. I saw people on two different occasions light up in the hall and before they had had a couple of puffs there were stewards there asking them to put them out or go outside. Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:32 PM Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 > wow > how well do you think it will be enforced? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2006 It's time is due, i wish this were true all over the world. It isn't the 1950's anymore and people should not smoke in other peoples faces. , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > I, for one, cannot wait until I can breathe properly at a concert, > and not suffer from a sore throat and cough for three days afterwards. > > Jo > > Smoking will be banned in all pubs, clubs and restaurants in England > from the summer of 2007, MPs have decided. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Hi Louis >but what bout us smokers lo ??? But what about us breathers???? ;-) BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Are cigarettes vegan, or enviromentally sound? besides the carbon miles they chalk up, what about the carbon emissions? The Valley Vegan................Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Louis >but what bout us smokers lo ??? But what about us breathers???? ;-) BB PeterPeter H Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 hi peter yer i see your point too but we smokers have a right too lo .... i bet your a smoker too anyway ??????????????? Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Louis >but what bout us smokers lo ??? But what about us breathers???? ;-) BB Peter Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 not in the US...they can have oodles of non-vegan additives peter hurd Mar 21, 2006 11:19 AM Re: Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 Are cigarettes vegan, or enviromentally sound? besides the carbon miles they chalk up, what about the carbon emissions? The Valley Vegan................Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Louis >but what bout us smokers lo ??? But what about us breathers???? ;-) BB Peter Peter H Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 might as well ask why some so called vegans eat at mcdonalds... if you don't know something is not vegan..........er don't look into it.... *shrug* louis stott Mar 21, 2006 11:23 AM Re: Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 dont now but WHY IS THERES LOTS OF VEGANS WHO SMOKE AND IM ONE OF THEM STOTTpeter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: Are cigarettes vegan, or enviromentally sound? besides the carbon miles they chalk up, what about the carbon emissions? The Valley Vegan................Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Louis >but what bout us smokers lo ??? But what about us breathers???? ;-) BB Peter Peter H Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 why? same as one of my ex's.... lotsa kids start young.... not to stand up for smoking, i'm not suggesting that at all...but... why is it ok in society to feed kids cows milk and ritalin.....but smoking is a taboo and evil ick... both are pretty much crappy...no? just playing pluto's advocate.... peter hurd Mar 21, 2006 1:36 PM Re: Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 Some, myself included would find that statement quite sad, 9 years old? The Valley Vegan..............louis stott <lsstott wrote: ok sorry but why do vegans smoke lo ? cos im 26 now and i had my 1st cig when i was jist 9 "NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Kids poisoning themselves from a young age with anything, and getting addicted to that poison I would find sad. Wouldnt you? The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: why? same as one of my ex's.... lotsa kids start young.... not to stand up for smoking, i'm not suggesting that at all...but... why is it ok in society to feed kids cows milk and ritalin.....but smoking is a taboo and evil ick... both are pretty much crappy...no? just playing pluto's advocate.... peter hurd Mar 21, 2006 1:36 PM Re: Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 Some, myself included would find that statement quite sad, 9 years old? The Valley Vegan..............louis stott <lsstott wrote: ok sorry but why do vegans smoke lo ? cos im 26 now and i had my 1st cig when i was jist 9 "NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President."Peter H Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Hi Peter >Are cigarettes vegan, or enviromentally sound? besides the carbon miles they chalk up, what about the carbon emissions? But of course, cigarettes are so useful for getting from place to place, aren't they! BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Hi Louis >yer i see your point too but we smokers have a right too lo .... >i bet your a smoker too anyway ??????????????? Nope - not a smoker - I tend to choke whenever I breath in smoke. Makes it a bit of a nuisance since it means I can never talk after I've been to see a concert :-( As to "rights" - I don't have a problem with people doing whatever they want with their own bodies, and that is indeed the right of smokers. The problem I have is with it affecting my body - which unfortunately it does quite a lot when you go into most concert venues or social gatherings. Venues aren't allowed to pump other poisonous gasses into the lungs of their customers - so why are they allowed to pump in the ones from cigarettes? BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Hi Louis >YES I SEE YOUR POINT TOO FRAGGLE BUT ITS LIKE ME SAYIN I DONT LIKE PEOPLE HAVEI LOG > FIRES COS I BREATH IN DEAD TREES People tend not to take their log fires into public venues and wave them under other people's noses! BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 unless its beltane, guy fawkes day, er camping season Peter Mar 21, 2006 2:03 PM Re: Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 Hi Louis >YES I SEE YOUR POINT TOO FRAGGLE BUT ITS LIKE ME SAYIN I DONT LIKE PEOPLE HAVEI LOG > FIRES COS I BREATH IN DEAD TREES People tend not to take their log fires into public venues and wave them under other people's noses! BB Peter To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 there are lots and lots of whys and ifs etc but why why why peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: Kids poisoning themselves from a young age with anything, and getting addicted to that poison I would find sad. Wouldnt you? The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: why? same as one of my ex's.... lotsa kids start young.... not to stand up for smoking, i'm not suggesting that at all...but... why is it ok in society to feed kids cows milk and ritalin.....but smoking is a taboo and evil ick... both are pretty much crappy...no? just playing pluto's advocate.... peter hurd Mar 21, 2006 1:36 PM Re: Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 Some, myself included would find that statement quite sad, 9 years old? The Valley Vegan..............louis stott <lsstott wrote: ok sorry but why do vegans smoke lo ? cos im 26 now and i had my 1st cig when i was jist 9 "NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President." Peter H Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with . Enter now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Hi Fraggle >unless its beltane, guy fawkes day, er camping season Even then, they're rarely found inside concert venues or pubs! BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Hi Louis >yes tthats true but what bout all the pubs etc I've rarely seen a log fire in a pub - but when I have, they are usually in a fireplace, with a chimney and an extractor fan which takes the smoke outside - I've yet to see a smoker with a similar set up ;-) BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 i'm so disappointed in hearing..... Peter Mar 21, 2006 2:48 PM Re: Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 Hi Fraggle >unless its beltane, guy fawkes day, er camping season Even then, they're rarely found inside concert venues or pubs! BB PeterTo send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Yes, I would! Jo - peter hurd Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:49 PM Re: Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 Kids poisoning themselves from a young age with anything, and getting addicted to that poison I would find sad. Wouldnt you? The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: why? same as one of my ex's.... lotsa kids start young.... not to stand up for smoking, i'm not suggesting that at all...but... why is it ok in society to feed kids cows milk and ritalin.....but smoking is a taboo and evil ick... both are pretty much crappy...no? just playing pluto's advocate.... peter hurd Mar 21, 2006 1:36 PM Re: Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 Some, myself included would find that statement quite sad, 9 years old? The Valley Vegan..............louis stott <lsstott wrote: ok sorry but why do vegans smoke lo ? cos im 26 now and i had my 1st cig when i was jist 9 "NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President." Peter H Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2006 What about all the pubs ?/?? Jo - louis stott Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:15 PM Re: Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 yes tthats true but what bout all the pubs etc Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Louis >YES I SEE YOUR POINT TOO FRAGGLE BUT ITS LIKE ME SAYIN I DONT LIKE PEOPLE HAVEI LOG > FIRES COS I BREATH IN DEAD TREES People tend not to take their log fires into public venues and wave them under other people's noses! BB Peter Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 22, 2006 Hi Louis, I guarantee you Peter does not smoke! I understand your defense, but please do not be rude. I do smoke however but am trying deperately to quit. And yes we have a right too, so long as we are polite. We also have a right to walk in front of a speeding train, just don;t take another with you. Nikki , louis stott <lsstott wrote: > > hi peter > yer i see your point too but we smokers have a right too lo .... > i bet your a smoker too anyway ??????????????? > > > Peter <metalscarab wrote: > Hi Louis > > >but what bout us smokers lo ??? > > But what about us breathers???? ;-) > > BB > Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 22, 2006 Had to finish this, not the smoking part, you did fine there on your own You can all just kiss off into the air Behind my back I can see them stare They'll hurt me bad but I won't mind They'll hurt me bad they do it all the time Yeah yeah they do it all the time *off to find my Violent Femmes tape* Nikki since i don't smoke (i use lube)(ah poo..there goes our PG rating)..i'm prolly the wrong person to answer but..off the top of me noggin 1. its an addiction 2. subtle peer pressure 3. don't know its not vegan 4 everyone's gotta draw the line somewhere...cigarettes SEEM vegan...soo..... 5. smoked before they were vegan 6. they want to bbq their lungs 7. you mean RJ Reynolds lies? 8. i forget what 8 was for 9 9 9 for the lost god and ten ten ten for everything everything everything everything oh..sorry.... anyways...since there a bazillion reasons why ppl are vegan, i assume there are just as many reasons why they smoke louis stott Mar 21, 2006 1:27 PM Re: Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 ok sorry but why do vegans smoke lo ? cos im 26 now and i had my 1st cig when i was jist 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 22, 2006 Ah true - but those who attend these celebrations go knowing that a campfire is usually part of it Nikki fraggle <EBbrewpunx Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:15 pm Re: Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 ebbrewpunx Offline Send Email Invite to 360º unless its beltane, guy fawkes day, er camping season Peter Mar 21, 2006 2:03 PM Re: Re: Public Smoking Ban 2007 Hi Louis >YES I SEE YOUR POINT TOO FRAGGLE BUT ITS LIKE ME SAYIN I DONT LIKE PEOPLE HAVEI LOG > FIRES COS I BREATH IN DEAD TREES People tend not to take their log fires into public venues and wave them under other people's noses! BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 22, 2006 Hi Peter You really should apply for a patent for this immediately! BB Nikki , " Peter " <metalscarab wrote: > > Hi Louis > > >yes tthats true but what bout all the pubs etc > > I've rarely seen a log fire in a pub - but when I have, they are usually in a fireplace, with a chimney and an extractor fan which takes the smoke outside - I've yet to see a smoker with a similar set up ;-) > > BB > Peter > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
