Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2005 Excellent, I love having minions, erm, I mean help, in the kitchen ;-) AlexOn 16/12/05, earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: Hi Linda You can have the main chair! I like to sit in the middle where everything is at arms length. Plus Alex, I would be happy to help in the kitchen! Nothing like sampling before dinner. Nikki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2005 I know you live in SF and all that but it's not *that* cold here! I mean, having experienced Minnesota in February last year, I shall never com[lain about the weather here, ever, again :-) On 16/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > yer a mite chilly this time of year unfortunately > tho..there is a nice beer fest i want to see in belgium this weekend > hmmmmmm > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2005 you have a point there, as it is lager after all and therefore not beer but it brings back memories of my period of debauchery (well, I was young, I hadn't discovered real beer yet!) :-) On 16/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > corona isn't fit to flush down my toilet.... > > > > Alex Iantaffi > Dec 16, 2005 10:08 AM > > Re: Christmas works Meal > > only if it's 'proper' beer and by that I mean ale. None of that blonde, > lager type stuff unless it's Corona :-) > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2005 Now I see where my daughter is picking up her bad habits from! Ah, the evil of socialising with other children :-)On 16/12/05, linda < lindai81 wrote: that is playing nice...to me first come the goodies, to you whatever is left over...that's what I learned in kindergarten. linda " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it. " Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2005 Hey, did I miss something? When did I get insulted? Do you mean I missed a chance to sulk and pout and stuff? :-) On 17/12/05, earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: Hmmm.... Funny thing is, I don't remember you being invited. Not to mention you insulted the chef awhile back. Nikki , " linda " <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > You are really pushing your luck! You may come to the table after I have finished. > linda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2005 Yep, chance has been and gone. You shall have to wait for the next go-round. BB Nikki , Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi@g...> wrote: > > Hey, did I miss something? When did I get insulted? Do you mean I missed a > chance to sulk and pout and stuff? :-) > > > On 17/12/05, earthstrm <earthstorm@c...> wrote: > > > > Hmmm.... > > > > Funny thing is, I don't remember you being invited. > > > > Not to mention you insulted the chef awhile back. > > > > Nikki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2005 A piece of my mothers ginger cake is in the post! The Valley Vegan...............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Yep - I agree with Peter - his mum must love him otherwise she wouldn't make such nice food for him, and that in turn means he is most likely a good son. Hows that? Jo - peter hurd Friday, December 16, 2005 10:23 PM Re: Christmas works Meal What a horrible thing to say. Jo are you reading this? The Valley Vegan.............linda <lindai81 wrote: Are you sure? Maybe she is just pretending. linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - peter hurd Friday, December 16, 2005 12:14 PM Re: Christmas works Meal Always..................but my mother loves me! The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: HI Peter You are not having much luck with your meals are you - have you been a bad boy this year to warrant such luck? Jo - peter hurd Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:43 PM Re: Christmas works Meal Well, I just fgot back from my "Italian" works christmas meal. I dont doubt that the restaurant has some Italian connections, but the food I had suckked. Starters was something like Funghi a la angola??or something like that, turned out to be ordinary cheap and cheerful mushrooms braised with garlic and wine and very little taste...no Ceps, no Trompes, just quartered button mushrooms,sad. I ate three or four mouthfulls , got bored and gave it to someone else to finish. Main course was supposed to be penne something courgettes. This turned out to be cold fusili with chargrilled courgettes and aubergines which were burnt not char grilled. Appaling. If I had to pay for it myself , I would have been pissed. I expect they thought that would teach me for being a vegan...................... The Valley Vegan.................. Peter H Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game from Peter H To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Peter H To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2005 I wish it was :-) Jo - peter hurd Saturday, December 17, 2005 3:41 PM Re: Christmas works Meal A piece of my mothers ginger cake is in the post! The Valley Vegan...............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Yep - I agree with Peter - his mum must love him otherwise she wouldn't make such nice food for him, and that in turn means he is most likely a good son. Hows that? Jo - peter hurd Friday, December 16, 2005 10:23 PM Re: Christmas works Meal What a horrible thing to say. Jo are you reading this? The Valley Vegan.............linda <lindai81 wrote: Are you sure? Maybe she is just pretending. linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - peter hurd Friday, December 16, 2005 12:14 PM Re: Christmas works Meal Always..................but my mother loves me! The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: HI Peter You are not having much luck with your meals are you - have you been a bad boy this year to warrant such luck? Jo - peter hurd Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:43 PM Re: Christmas works Meal Well, I just fgot back from my "Italian" works christmas meal. I dont doubt that the restaurant has some Italian connections, but the food I had suckked. Starters was something like Funghi a la angola??or something like that, turned out to be ordinary cheap and cheerful mushrooms braised with garlic and wine and very little taste...no Ceps, no Trompes, just quartered button mushrooms,sad. I ate three or four mouthfulls , got bored and gave it to someone else to finish. Main course was supposed to be penne something courgettes. This turned out to be cold fusili with chargrilled courgettes and aubergines which were burnt not char grilled. Appaling. If I had to pay for it myself , I would have been pissed. I expect they thought that would teach me for being a vegan...................... The Valley Vegan.................. Peter H Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game from Peter H To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Peter H To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2005 you get the occassional snow, yes? ergo, its cold >Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi >Dec 17, 2005 12:57 AM > >Re: Re: Christmas works Meal > >I know you live in SF and all that but it's not *that* cold here! I >mean, having experienced Minnesota in February last year, I shall >never com[lain about the weather here, ever, again :-) > >On 16/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: >> >> yer a mite chilly this time of year unfortunately >> tho..there is a nice beer fest i want to see in belgium this weekend >> hmmmmmm >> >> > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2005 lager is beer ale is beer corona is ick >Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi >Dec 17, 2005 12:58 AM > >Re: Christmas works Meal > >you have a point there, as it is lager after all and therefore not >beer but it brings back memories of my period of debauchery (well, I >was young, I hadn't discovered real beer yet!) :-) > >On 16/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: >> >> corona isn't fit to flush down my toilet.... >> >> >> >> Alex Iantaffi >> Dec 16, 2005 10:08 AM >> >> Re: Christmas works Meal >> >> only if it's 'proper' beer and by that I mean ale. None of that blonde, >> lager type stuff unless it's Corona :-) >> >> > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2005 Or I could just sulk at having missed the chance *pout* :-) BB AlexOn 17/12/05, earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: Yep, chance has been and gone. You shall have to wait for the next go-round. BB Nikki , Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi@g...> wrote: > > Hey, did I miss something? When did I get insulted? Do you mean I missed a > chance to sulk and pout and stuff? :-) > > > On 17/12/05, earthstrm <earthstorm@c...> wrote: > > > > Hmmm.... > > > > Funny thing is, I don't remember you being invited. > > > > Not to mention you insulted the chef awhile back. > > > > Nikki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2005 No, repeat with me, lager is not beer. Come on, it's not that difficult... ;-)On 17/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx > wrote: lager is beer ale is beer corona is ick >Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi >Dec 17, 2005 12:58 AM > >Re: Christmas works Meal > >you have a point there, as it is lager after all and therefore not >beer but it brings back memories of my period of debauchery (well, I >was young, I hadn't discovered real beer yet!) :-) > >On 16/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: >> >> corona isn't fit to flush down my toilet.... >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2005 Occassional is the key word there. Also, I have learnt in Minnesota in February that snow is not cold. When it snows it can be warmer than when it's *really* cold! Also, we have pubs, some of them with open fires :-) On 17/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > you get the occassional snow, yes? > ergo, its cold > > > >Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi > >Dec 17, 2005 12:57 AM > > > >Re: Re: Christmas works Meal > > > >I know you live in SF and all that but it's not *that* cold here! I > >mean, having experienced Minnesota in February last year, I shall > >never com[lain about the weather here, ever, again :-) > > > >On 16/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > >> > >> yer a mite chilly this time of year unfortunately > >> tho..there is a nice beer fest i want to see in belgium this weekend > >> hmmmmmm > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2005 have pubs here as well as a matter of fact, i was tellin rebecca today would have been the perfect day to sit in front of fire and have barley wines..and some belgian beers, and some more barley wines rained off and on all dayits now dark..and a whoopin 47F.... brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr now i get to hop on my bike in the rain and head to work a show (sorry..no such thing as public transport) been to minnesota...they have four seasons in minnesota...snow, melting snow, ahhhh mosquitoes!, and snow ... >Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi >Dec 17, 2005 5:20 PM > >Re: Re: Christmas works Meal > >Occassional is the key word there. Also, I have learnt in Minnesota in >February that snow is not cold. When it snows it can be warmer than >when it's *really* cold! Also, we have pubs, some of them with open >fires :-) > >On 17/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: >> you get the occassional snow, yes? >> ergo, its cold >> >> What God had done for peace on earth, what man destroyed from day of birth They are concerned with feelings; they're just ashamed to cry And one mans plan to push the button makes other sacrifice The serenade is dead and now the only question's why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2005 I didn't doubt they would have pubs in SF :-) I was merely hinting that just being cold is no excuse not to take advantage of the cheaper flight and visit :-) On 18/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > have pubs here as well > as a matter of fact, i was tellin rebecca today would have been the perfect > day to sit in front of fire and have barley wines..and some belgian beers, > and some more barley wines > rained off and on all dayits now dark..and a whoopin 47F.... > brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr > now i get to hop on my bike in the rain and head to work a show (sorry..no > such thing as public transport) > > > been to minnesota...they have four seasons in minnesota...snow, melting > snow, ahhhh mosquitoes!, and snow ... > > > >Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi > >Dec 17, 2005 5:20 PM > > > >Re: Re: Christmas works Meal > > > >Occassional is the key word there. Also, I have learnt in Minnesota in > >February that snow is not cold. When it snows it can be warmer than > >when it's *really* cold! Also, we have pubs, some of them with open > >fires :-) > > > >On 17/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > >> you get the occassional snow, yes? > >> ergo, its cold > >> > >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2005 yeah well..just found out one of the room mates ijoined the army...(egads) so time t ofind another room mate again don't think i'll be goin anywhere fer awhile >Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi >Dec 17, 2005 6:21 PM > >Re: Re: Christmas works Meal > >I didn't doubt they would have pubs in SF :-) I was merely hinting >that just being cold is no excuse not to take advantage of the cheaper >flight and visit :-) > >On 18/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: >> have pubs here as well >> as a matter of fact, i was tellin rebecca today would have been the perfect >> day to sit in front of fire and have barley wines..and some belgian beers, >> and some more barley wines >> rained off and on all dayits now dark..and a whoopin 47F.... >> brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr >> now i get to hop on my bike in the rain and head to work a show (sorry..no >> such thing as public transport) >> >> >> been to minnesota...they have four seasons in minnesota...snow, melting >> snow, ahhhh mosquitoes!, and snow ... >> >> >> >Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi >> >Dec 17, 2005 5:20 PM >> > >> >Re: Re: Christmas works Meal >> > >> >Occassional is the key word there. Also, I have learnt in Minnesota in >> >February that snow is not cold. When it snows it can be warmer than >> >when it's *really* cold! Also, we have pubs, some of them with open >> >fires :-) >> > >> >On 17/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: >> >> you get the occassional snow, yes? >> >> ergo, its cold >> >> >> >> >> > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2005 but lager is beer!! sorry..... whether ya likes it er not is beyond the issue! and, while i agree most lagers are bland sparkling rice water, there ARE good damn tasty lager beers out there..just stay away from mass market over-produced swill >Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi >Dec 17, 2005 6:22 PM > >Re: Christmas works Meal > >Come on, I'll agree on the corona issue if you agree with the lager >issue. I am too polite to say what lager really is, of course :-) > >On 18/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: >> >> lager is beer >> ale is beer >> see..its simple... >> >> wot is lager...(basically)...water...malt...hops...yeast >> and wot is ale..(basically)..water...malt..hops..yeast >> >> wot is corona?...water..ick....water..ick..water..ick, and >> finally, some more ick... >> >> >> >> What God had done for peace on earth, what man destroyed from day of birth They are concerned with feelings; they're just ashamed to cry And one mans plan to push the button makes other sacrifice The serenade is dead and now the only question's why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2005 Yes, fire.... our heater is broken and it's been SO cold! (hey, I love 100 degree temp, put my tiny-hiny-having-to-lay-on-the-couch-while-it's-sixty-freaking-three-degrees-in-here, ya gonna hear lots of complaining! I told my hubby that's it, if the heater isn't fixed soon. I'm buying a space heater. He's convinced that every space heater causes fires and when it does, my crutches will melt and I won't be able to crawl out of here alive!fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: have pubs here as wellas a matter of fact, i was tellin rebecca today would have been the perfect day to sit in front of fire and have barley wines..and some belgian beers, and some more barley winesrained off and on all dayits now dark..and a whoopin 47F....brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnow i get to hop on my bike in the rain and head to work a show (sorry..no such thing as public transport)been to minnesota...they have four seasons in minnesota...snow, melting snow, ahhhh mosquitoes!, and snow ...>Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi>Dec 17, 2005 5:20 PM> >Re: Re: Christmas works Meal>>Occassional is the key word there. Also, I have learnt in Minnesota in>February that snow is not cold. When it snows it can be warmer than>when it's *really* cold! Also, we have pubs, some of them with open>fires :-)>>On 17/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:>> you get the occassional snow, yes?>> ergo, its cold>>>>What God had done for peace on earth, what man destroyed from day of birth They are concerned with feelings; they're just ashamed to cry And one mans plan to push the button makes other sacrifice The serenade is dead and now the only question's why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2005 Didn't ya just do that? fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: yeah well..just found out one of the room mates ijoined the army...(egads)so time t ofind another room mateagaindon't think i'll be goin anywhere fer awhile>Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi>Dec 17, 2005 6:21 PM> >Re: Re: Christmas works Meal>>I didn't doubt they would have pubs in SF :-) I was merely hinting>that just being cold is no excuse not to take advantage of the cheaper>flight and visit :-)>>On 18/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:>> have pubs here as well>> as a matter of fact, i was tellin rebecca today would have been the perfect>> day to sit in front of fire and have barley wines..and some belgian beers,>> and some more barley wines>> rained off and on all dayits now dark..and a whoopin 47F....>> brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr>> now i get to hop on my bike in the rain and head to work a show (sorry..no>> such thing as public transport)>>>>>> been to minnesota...they have four seasons in minnesota...snow, melting>> snow, ahhhh mosquitoes!, and snow ...>>>> >> >Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi>> >Dec 17, 2005 5:20 PM>> > >> >Re: Re: Christmas works Meal>> >>> >Occassional is the key word there. Also, I have learnt in Minnesota in>> >February that snow is not cold. When it snows it can be warmer than>> >when it's *really* cold! Also, we have pubs, some of them with open>> >fires :-)>> >>> >On 17/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:>> >> you get the occassional snow, yes?>> >> ergo, its cold>> >>>> >>>>>>>>To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2005 Oh, alright then. But I am only agreeing 'cause it's the season of goodwill or somesuch :-)On 18/12/05, fraggle < EBbrewpunx wrote: but lager is beer!! sorry..... whether ya likes it er not is beyond the issue! and, while i agree most lagers are bland sparkling rice water, there ARE good damn tasty lager beers out there..just stay away from mass market over-produced swill >Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi >Dec 17, 2005 6:22 PM > >Re: Christmas works Meal > >Come on, I'll agree on the corona issue if you agree with the lager >issue. I am too polite to say what lager really is, of course :-) > >On 18/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: >> >> lager is beer >> ale is beer >> see..its simple... >> >> wot is lager...(basically)...water...malt...hops...yeast >> and wot is ale..(basically)..water...malt..hops..yeast >> >> wot is corona?...water..ick....water..ick..water..ick, and >> finally, some more ick... >> >> >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2005 Oh, go on, spoil my fight with pesky logic then ;-) BB Alex :-)On 18/12/05, peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: Havent we been herer before? Lager is a light beer ( beer is usually made with barley and hops ) Ale is usualy described as a fermented malt beverage with a strong flavour of hops and is generally made with top-fermenting yeast and processed at higher temperatures than lager beer. The Valley Vegan........... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2005 yeah..and he's the one moving out hahahahahhaha ah well.... Jonnie Hellens Dec 18, 2005 6:33 PM Re: Re: Christmas works Meal Didn't ya just do that? fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: yeah well..just found out one of the room mates ijoined the army...(egads)so time t ofind another room mateagaindon't think i'll be goin anywhere fer awhile>Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi>Dec 17, 2005 6:21 PM> >Re: Re: Christmas works Meal>>I didn't doubt they would have pubs in SF :-) I was merely hinting>that just being cold is no excuse not to take advantage of the cheaper>flight and visit :-)>>On 18/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:>> have pubs here as well>> as a matter of fact, i was tellin rebecca today would have been the perfect>> day to sit in front of fire and have barley wines..and some belgian beers,>> and some more barley wines>> rained off and on all dayits now dark..and a whoopin 47F....>> brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr>> now i get to hop on my bike in the rain and head to work a show (sorry..no>> such thing as public transport)>>>>>> been to minnesota...they have four seasons in minnesota...snow, melting>> snow, ahhhh mosquitoes!, and snow ...>>>> >> >Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi>> >Dec 17, 2005 5:20 PM>> > >> >Re: Re: Christmas works Meal>> >>> >Occassional is the key word there. Also, I have learnt in Minnesota in>> >February that snow is not cold. When it snows it can be warmer than>> >when it's *really* cold! Also, we have pubs, some of them with open>> >fires :-)>> >>> >On 17/12/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:>> >> you get the occassional snow, yes?>> >> ergo, its cold>> >>>> >>>>>>>>To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2005 back east, the power company use to have commercials in winter telling you to keep the thermostat at 65F out here...PG@E tell us to keep it at 68F, and at 55F at nite when yer sleeping i seem to recall a commercial back east a long time ago when oil prices at the time were going thru the roof(for that time period) and supplies were low, telling folks to keep the thermostat at 57F and just wear extra clothes... >heartwerk <jo.heartwork >Dec 18, 2005 11:38 PM > > Re: Christmas works Meal > >I reckon that's quite a good temperature indoors - must be what we >are most of the time, once we put some heating on. > >Jo > > , Jonnie Hellens ><jonnie_hellens> wrote: >> >> Yes, fire.... our heater is broken and it's been SO cold! (hey, I >love 100 degree temp, put my tiny-hiny-having-to-lay-on-the-couch- >while-it's-sixty-freaking-three-degrees-in-here, ya gonna hear lots >of complaining! I told my hubby that's it, if the heater isn't >fixed soon. I'm buying a space heater. He's convinced that every >space heater causes fires and when it does, my crutches will melt and >I won't be able to crawl out of here alive! >> What God had done for peace on earth, what man destroyed from day of birth They are concerned with feelings; they're just ashamed to cry And one mans plan to push the button makes other sacrifice The serenade is dead and now the only question's why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2005 Hi Alex > Oh, go on, spoil my fight with pesky logic then ;-) Just remember.... "logic merely enables you to be wrong with confidence"... :-) BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2005 Never give up without a fight......... The Valley Vegan..........................Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi wrote: Oh, go on, spoil my fight with pesky logic then ;-)BBAlex :-) On 18/12/05, peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: Havent we been herer before? Lager is a light beer ( beer is usually made with barley and hops ) Ale is usualy described as a fermented malt beverage with a strong flavour of hops and is generally made with top-fermenting yeast and processed at higher temperatures than lager beer. The Valley Vegan........... Peter H To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
