Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 How sad Your children are lucky. When I came out my father denied my sexual orientation by telling me I was mistaken, full stop. He softened eventually but not much. Anyway, he is dead now so at least I don't have to fight for his acceptance any longer. Sad but true. My mom actually told me that she didn't know if she could still love me after I came out. I have forgiven her for that statement but not forgotten. I can only hope to be a more accepting mother for my child when she grows up... and, of course, that she does not turn into a fundamentalist Christian or something like that (no offence if anyone on the list is but it would be difficult to have me as a mother and be a fundamentalist Christian, methinks) BB AlexOn 02/11/05, Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens wrote: Damn, another fantasy blown! I just found out a friend of mine is pregnant. Her signifigant other is African-American and she is white. His family is devout cath and can't accept them because she's pregnant out of wed-lock. Her family can't accept them because he's African-American. Interestingly enough, her sister is gay and my friend supported her through everything, including acceptance by the family and she's the biggest thorn in my friend's side right now. It's just too sad. I would like to hope that I would accept my children's lifestyles. I'll be the first to tell them that I may not like it and why, but I accept their choices. I know that I will always love them no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 and here ya'll that it was sad that my *family* in no way included any people i'm related to.. i'll take my friends any day over my father, step mother, mohter, aunts, uncles, etc... they have stood up with me thru everything couldn't ever say the same about my folks... Alex Iantaffi Nov 2, 2005 11:21 AM Re: Re: 800 members?? How sad Your children are lucky. When I came out my father denied my sexual orientation by telling me I was mistaken, full stop. He softened eventually but not much. Anyway, he is dead now so at least I don't have to fight for his acceptance any longer. Sad but true. My mom actually told me that she didn't know if she could still love me after I came out. I have forgiven her for that statement but not forgotten. I can only hope to be a more accepting mother for my child when she grows up... and, of course, that she does not turn into a fundamentalist Christian or something like that (no offence if anyone on the list is but it would be difficult to have me as a mother and be a fundamentalist Christian, methinks)BBAlex On 02/11/05, Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens wrote: Damn, another fantasy blown! I just found out a friend of mine is pregnant. Her signifigant other is African-American and she is white. His family is devout cath and can't accept them because she's pregnant out of wed-lock. Her family can't accept them because he's African-American. Interestingly enough, her sister is gay and my friend supported her through everything, including acceptance by the family and she's the biggest thorn in my friend's side right now. It's just too sad. I would like to hope that I would accept my children's lifestyles. I'll be the first to tell them that I may not like it and why, but I accept their choices. I know that I will always love them no matter what. To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Hi Alex, > Thanks for the invite. Mmmm, cookies.... Tempting as it is, I shall have to > decline saying anything at the moment in case I get denied by Peter for the > third time ;-) LOL Oh I completely understand, we must protect our friends! Um, some wine then? BB Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I would agree there Jonnie - although I don't know that I would be brave enough to tell them I don't like it :-)Jo I would like to hope that I would accept my children's lifestyles. I'll be the first to tell them that I may not like it and why, but I accept their choices. I know that I will always love them no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 LOL - maybe you can see that other things would be difficult for other mothers to be happy about :-) Jo I can only hope to be a more accepting mother for my child when she grows up... and, of course, that she does not turn into a fundamentalist Christian or something like that (no offence if anyone on the list is but it would be difficult to have me as a mother and be a fundamentalist Christian, methinks)BBAlex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I also agree, and I will make my opinions known to my children, and would expect them to accept that everyone is entitled to an opinion. The Valley Vegan.....................jo <jo.heartwork wrote: I would agree there Jonnie - although I don't know that I would be brave enough to tell them I don't like it :-)Jo I would like to hope that I would accept my children's lifestyles. I'll be the first to tell them that I may not like it and why, but I accept their choices. I know that I will always love them no matter what.Peter H To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 It wasn't a case where their mouth engages before their brain? I'm famous for that. Sometimes it takes a good while to realize what I've said! ("I said that? Holy H*ell, I'm SO sorry!", should be on my T-Shirt) I think I get on my son's last nerve sometimes. I'm often reminding him "Dude," (yep, that's what I call him) "I'm just suggestin', it's up to you to decide!" I often ask him if he wants me to keep my mouth shut and he says he really doesn't. He and I are too much alike, is the problem. Same with my eldest daughter. Her DH is such a jerk, she knows it and I know it, but we refrain from talking about it much. She lives in Oregon and I've often told her I sure wish she and the twins were here, but I would really have a hard time not getting into a fight with your hubby and his mother. When she was last here (she came out when I had my stent put in) she made the comment to us that she had forgotten what it was like to just be accepted and not have to worry about how what she says or does being taken. I told her that was so, so sad. Her MIL is always talkin' trash about her and too her and so is her DH. It's her choice though and I stand behind her choice. Of course, she has said several times that she wishes she would have listened to my advice before she married the guy, but she's in bed now (so to speak) and that's where she's stayin'. Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi wrote: How sad Your children are lucky. When I came out my father denied my sexual orientation by telling me I was mistaken, full stop. He softened eventually but not much. Anyway, he is dead now so at least I don't have to fight for his acceptance any longer. Sad but true. My mom actually told me that she didn't know if she could still love me after I came out. I have forgiven her for that statement but not forgotten. I can only hope to be a more accepting mother for my child when she grows up... and, of course, that she does not turn into a fundamentalist Christian or something like that (no offence if anyone on the list is but it would be difficult to have me as a mother and be a fundamentalist Christian, methinks)BBAlex On 02/11/05, Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens wrote: Damn, another fantasy blown! I just found out a friend of mine is pregnant. Her signifigant other is African-American and she is white. His family is devout cath and can't accept them because she's pregnant out of wed-lock. Her family can't accept them because he's African-American. Interestingly enough, her sister is gay and my friend supported her through everything, including acceptance by the family and she's the biggest thorn in my friend's side right now. It's just too sad. I would like to hope that I would accept my children's lifestyles. I'll be the first to tell them that I may not like it and why, but I accept their choices. I know that I will always love them no matter what. FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Hi Alex > Thanks for the invite. Mmmm, cookies.... Tempting as it is, I shall > have to > decline saying anything at the moment in case I get denied by Peter > for the > third time ;-) LOL Hey... what's with the Biblical references???? :-) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Yeah, cuz it goes both ways. My kids tell me what they think I should do all the time!peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: I also agree, and I will make my opinions known to my children, and would expect them to accept that everyone is entitled to an opinion. The Valley Vegan.....................jo <jo.heartwork wrote: I would agree there Jonnie - although I don't know that I would be brave enough to tell them I don't like it :-)Jo I would like to hope that I would accept my children's lifestyles. I'll be the first to tell them that I may not like it and why, but I accept their choices. I know that I will always love them no matter what. Peter H To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I'm sorry to hear that Fraggle. Jo and here ya'll that it was sad that my *family* in no way included any people i'm related to.. i'll take my friends any day over my father, step mother, mohter, aunts, uncles, etc... they have stood up with me thru everything couldn't ever say the same about my folks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 no reason t o be sorry wot is, is.... i've got family...they are my friends and companions... heartwerk <jo.heartwork Nov 2, 2005 3:13 PM Re: 800 members?? I'm sorry to hear that Fraggle. Jo and here ya'll that it was sad that my *family* in no way included any people i'm related to.. i'll take my friends any day over my father, step mother, mohter, aunts, uncles, etc... they have stood up with me thru everything couldn't ever say the same about my folks... To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 That's something I am glad to hear :-) BB Jo , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > no reason t o be sorry > wot is, is.... > i've got family...they are my friends and companions... > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > Nov 2, 2005 3:13 PM > > Re: 800 members?? > > I'm sorry to hear that Fraggle. > > Jo > > and here ya'll that it was sad that my *family* in no way included any > people i'm related to.. > i'll take my friends any day over my father, step mother, mohter, > aunts, uncles, etc... > they have stood up with me thru everything > couldn't ever say the same about my folks... > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Hi Nikki, Oh I completely understand, we must protect our friends! Um, some wine then? Persistency, a quality to be admired :-) BB Alex :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Hi Lynda, what wonderful treasures your family has left you! My grandmother and greataunts had the same experience in Sicily about dairy when growing up and they never cooked with much dairy because of it. The only dairy I used to eat when visiting as a child was the fresh ricotta brough to the village by the local sheperd who squeezed it out of wooden shapes things (I don't know the word for them!) Mmmm, culinary memories.... BB Alex :-)On 02/11/05, Lynda <lurine wrote: I'm sure families do and restaurants. I could only go from what the family has said and the cookbooks they brough over with them when they immigrated from Naples and Tuscany (first DHs family) and other areas. Actually, DH's grandmother came from a little village up in the moutains east of Naples (D'Onofrio) and his grandfather came from Sicily (DiIonno). Of course, lots has changed since the 20s and 40s. DH's father said they didn't have dairy in the south then except for gelato. The only cheeses he ever ate were sheep and water buffalo. The first milk he drank was when they came to the U.S. I really consider myself lucky because they left me their cookbooks. Inorder to read them I had to learn to read Italian AND the spidery handwritten notes. Although that was easier than some in the old German cookbooks I have! Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Indeed I do! LOL The funny thing is that I am one of these people who would love to make everyone happy all the time, it's just my life that doesn't make that task easy sometimes :-) BB AlexOn 02/11/05, jo <jo.heartwork wrote: LOL - maybe you can see that other things would be difficult for other mothers to be happy about :-) Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Hi Peter> Thanks for the invite. Mmmm, cookies.... Tempting as it is, I shall > have to > decline saying anything at the moment in case I get denied by Peter > for the > third time ;-) LOL Hey... what's with the Biblical references???? :-) Well, you know what they say... Once a catholic... :-) It was just too tempting and I knew you would get it! LOL BB Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Hear, hear! I second that wholeheartedly :-) Being Italian, I find it difficult to cut off my family as much as I want to sometimes but there are people I have chosen to be in my life (and who have chosen me) who are more family than many bloodrelations and with whom I share main holidays and all the other things some folks share with their bloodrelations. I suppose part of me still yearns for that level of love and acceptance I get from my chosen family from at least my closest bloodrelations (e.g. my sister) but I am slowly giving up that dream...On 02/11/05, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: and here ya'll that it was sad that my *family* in no way included any people i'm related to.. i'll take my friends any day over my father, step mother, mohter, aunts, uncles, etc... they have stood up with me thru everything couldn't ever say the same about my folks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 mastredda (sic?) my grandmother on my mother's side use to make ricotta... Alex Iantaffi Nov 3, 2005 1:22 AM Re: 800 members?? Hi Lynda,what wonderful treasures your family has left you! My grandmother and greataunts had the same experience in Sicily about dairy when growing up and they never cooked with much dairy because of it. The only dairy I used to eat when visiting as a child was the fresh ricotta brough to the village by the local sheperd who squeezed it out of wooden shapes things (I don't know the word for them!) Mmmm, culinary memories....BBAlex :-) External control are you gonna let them get you? Do you wanna be a prisoner in the boundaries they set you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Hi Alex > Well, you know what they say... Once a catholic... :-) Hmmm... so many possible ways to finish that sentence! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Hi Peter > > Well, you know what they say... Once a catholic... :-) > > Hmmm... so many possible ways to finish that sentence! Well then let us hear a few. BB Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Hi Nikki > > > Well, you know what they say... Once a catholic... :-) > > Hmmm... so many possible ways to finish that sentence! > Well then let us hear a few. You just like taunting me, don't you??? OK... once Catholic... always cross (sorry, bad pun) Once Catholic... Twice Shy... I dunno... think up some of your own :-) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Yeah, I sure know what you mean on that. Trying to balance what people want/expect of you and what you want/expect out of yourself.Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi wrote: Indeed I do! LOL The funny thing is that I am one of these people who would love to make everyone happy all the time, it's just my life that doesn't make that task easy sometimes :-)BBAlex On 02/11/05, jo <jo.heartwork wrote: LOL - maybe you can see that other things would be difficult for other mothers to be happy about :-) Jo FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Hi Peter > You just like taunting me, don't you??? Now what gives you that idea? Actually I just wanted to hear your creativity. > OK... once Catholic... always cross (sorry, bad pun) > Once Catholic... Twice Shy... Thank you! BB Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 same here, my family thinks I'm crazy. mostly by the way that I am raising my two little boys. I have had cousins call me up asking my why I hate leather, won't feed my kids pizza or ice cream and how terrible and cruel I must be. I explain that I " make " my own ice cream, or I buy some non-dairy at a health food store. We make our version of pizza,, etc. and that my kids are NOt deprived. On the contrary... on those rare family visits, my kids are most well manered and curiously inquisitive.. their health and non-violent state of mind is my biggest proof that I must be doing something right. on that they can't argue, but still don't understand my being AP, uncircing, EC or selective vax, or the nudity issue, or my obssesive reciclying and couldn't understand why I would do with less of something or not need it at all.. ok Im rambling. , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > I'm sorry to hear that Fraggle. > > Jo > > and here ya'll that it was sad that my *family* in no way included any > people i'm related to.. > i'll take my friends any day over my father, step mother, mohter, > aunts, uncles, etc... > they have stood up with me thru everything > couldn't ever say the same about my folks... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 I was brought with catholiscm and some things I can't get out of my head.. I kinda thought it was cool that instead of Jesus, my family would pray to a bunch of other Womyn. if i remember correctly, our sacred lady of perpetual help. our lady of immaculate conception our lady of the highest grace and mercy our divine and sacred lady of miracles our lady of the sacred heart of jesus the males ones would be less praye on. st. vincent de paul st. francisco de assis st. andres I thought it was cool that there was a saint just for animals.. but i can't remember his name right now. > > Well, you know what they say... Once a catholic... :-) It was just too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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