Two wrongs don't make a right!

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I don't think it's the lynx (but could be wrong). There is some kind

of wildcat in Scotland though.

 

Jo

 

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> bring em back

> bring em back!

> hee hee

>

> wot about the lynx? does it still exist in scotland? i know its

hella endangered on the continent...

> it is a main predator of beavers as well

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 28, 2005 10:45 AM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> No, we don't have wolves etc. So there are no predators...

>

> Jo

>

>

> The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that

certain other

> sets of people are human: Aldous Huxley

>

[Guest guest]

I have to remind myself that these things are natural - but ...

 

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> well..i would assume not all...

>

> and tho a weasel, stout, er martin good easily get into a bank

beaver's hole, they'd be out of luck with a lodge...

> tho..a mink could get in there....

>

> way back when, knew someone who had a beaver lodge by their

house...the beavers would take carrots out of their hands...

> i loved there sounds..that ughn ughn ughn call was damn adorable fer

some reason

> anyways..one spring..a mink got into the lodge

> no kits that year.....

>

>

> fraggle

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 28, 2005 10:46 AM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> We do have lots and lots of mink, stoats, weasels - so looks like all

> the beaver kits might get eaten!

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> >

> > if they kill kits, then they still kill em, correcto?

> > and mink and deadly to beaver kits...they go right into the den..

> > prolly worse fer european beavers as they many live in banks, and

> not lodges...

> >

> > and no, no mountain lions over thar..

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Lynda <lurine@s...>

> > Oct 28, 2005 9:27 AM

> >

> > Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> > Oops, scores again. I didn't get Fraggles post that this one

> answers.

> > Fox, mink and birds of prey are not predators of beavers. Perhaps

> of kits

> > but not of the adults and the kits don't stray far from the houses.

> >

> > The average beaver weighs in at 35 to 90 pounds.

> >

> > Fox are small and eat berries, eggs, birds, repiles and *small*

mammals.

> >

> > Mink are small and don't eat larger mammals.

> >

> > And, except for eagles, I don't see too many birds being able to

> carry off

> > too many beavers.

> >

> > So, we're down to bears, mountain lions (not their usual choice and

> I don't

> > think they have them on that side of the pond <g>) and they aren't

> on the

> > usual dinner menu for wolves. Oh, and I don't think they have

> coyotes and

> > they aren't on their usual dinner menu either.

> >

> > Guess we're down to humans as the only predator left.

> >

> > Lynda

> > -

> > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...>

> >

> > Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:40 PM

> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> >

> > > Is that because you live in town?

> > >

> > > Jo

> > >

> > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> fine with me....

> > >>

> > >> and..there still are some predators..foxes, mink..birds of prey....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to

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> >

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that all depends

*invasive* species that harm the natural species of that eco-system, should be

removed ina cautious and well thought out manner...

the problem lies a ton in defining what is invasive and what isn't

opportunistic species have piggybacked all over the globe with humans...think of

everything from rats to houseflies to dandelions...

but..tryin to peg down exactly wot is invasive and wot isn't..ouch..not

something t o be taken lightly...

how about horses in the american west? they aren't technically native...they

came here with the europeans..but on the other paw, horses evolved here in north

america,...same with camels...they just died out thousands of years

ago..soo..when do they stop being native?

touchy subject that needs lotsa debate.....

but...things that obviously kill off native species should be relocated....

 

 

Lynda <lurine

Oct 28, 2005 9:41 AM

 

Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

How about removing introduced species that are taking over native species to

their detriment or demise?

 

Lynda

-

" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

 

 

I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can still do

something; and because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the

something that I can do.

[Guest guest]

One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle has missed you.

Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............

 

The Valley Vegan.................heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person hasreleased them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are rathercross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it has notbeen okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.Jo , fraggle wrote:>> but beavers are part of the natural environment there> they are jsut bringing back something that existed there ferthousands of years> in the grand scheme of things, 500 yrs is nuthin...> > > heartwerk > Oct 27, 2005 11:01 AM> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!> > Hi Fraggle> > They've been gone a long time. Reintroducing

them will upset the> wildlife systems that are now there.> > Another thought is - they have just banned fox-hunting, and they used> to hunt beavers - maybe the thought is that when the beavers multiply> they will 'have to keep the numbers down' by hunting them. > > I really cannot see any good reason for reintroducing them - not that> I have anything against beavers :-) Incidentally I think it was wrong> to kidnap them from somewhere else, just to move them to anothercountry.> > BB> Jo> > , fraggle wrote:> >> > u don't want em bringin beavers back?> > > > > > heartwerk > > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM> > > > Two wrongs don't make a right!> >

> > First wild beavers for 500 years > > > > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur > > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were > > hunted to extinction for their fur. > > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near > > South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in > > the UK for centuries. > > > > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have > > spent the last few months in quarantine. > > > > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once > > again thrive in the British countryside. > > > > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start > > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled > > in so they can roam freely. > >

> > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-> > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions. > > > > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists > > say the European species should be a force for good in the > > countryside. > > > > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and > > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to- > >

[Guest guest]

i agree peter hurd Oct 28, 2005 2:40 PM Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle has missed you.

Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............

 

The Valley Vegan.................heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person hasreleased them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are rathercross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it has notbeen okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.Jo , fraggle wrote:>> but beavers are part of the natural environment there> they are jsut bringing back something that existed there ferthousands of years> in the grand scheme of things, 500 yrs is nuthin...> > > heartwerk > Oct 27, 2005 11:01 AM> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!> > Hi Fraggle> > They've been gone a long time. Reintroducing them will upset the> wildlife systems that are now there.> > Another thought is - they have just banned fox-hunting, and they used> to hunt beavers - maybe the thought is that when the beavers multiply> they will 'have to keep the numbers down' by hunting them. > > I really cannot see any good reason for reintroducing them - not that> I have anything against beavers :-) Incidentally I think it was wrong> to kidnap them from somewhere else, just to move them to anothercountry.> > BB> Jo> > , fraggle wrote:> >> > u don't want em bringin beavers back?> > > > > > heartwerk > > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM> > > > Two wrongs don't make a right!> > > > First wild beavers for 500 years > > > > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur > > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were > > hunted to extinction for their fur. > > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near > > South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in > > the UK for centuries. > > > > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have > > spent the last few months in quarantine. > > > > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once > > again thrive in the British countryside. > > > > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start > > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled > > in so they can roam freely. > > > > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-> > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions. > > > > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists > > say the European species should be a force for good in the > > countryside. > > > > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and > > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to- > >

[Guest guest]

The wildcat in this country is no bigger than a domestic cat, every cat is a born killer.....except my two useless wastes of fur.................

 

 

The Valley Vegan.............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

I don't think it's the lynx (but could be wrong). There is some kindof wildcat in Scotland though.Jo , fraggle wrote:>> bring em back> bring em back!> hee hee> > wot about the lynx? does it still exist in scotland? i know itshella endangered on the continent...> it is a main predator of beavers as well> > > heartwerk > Oct 28, 2005 10:45 AM> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!> > No, we don't have wolves etc. So there are no predators...> > Jo> > > The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget thatcertain other> sets of people are

human: Aldous Huxley>

[Guest guest]

That's alright - you can keep them.

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle

has missed you.

> Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............

>

> The Valley Vegan.................

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

> It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person has

> released them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are rather

> cross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it has not

> been okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle wrote:

> >

> > but beavers are part of the natural environment there

> > they are jsut bringing back something that existed there fer

> thousands of years

> > in the grand scheme of things, 500 yrs is nuthin...

> >

> >

> > heartwerk

> > Oct 27, 2005 11:01 AM

> >

> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> > Hi Fraggle

> >

> > They've been gone a long time. Reintroducing them will upset the

> > wildlife systems that are now there.

> >

> > Another thought is - they have just banned fox-hunting, and they used

> > to hunt beavers - maybe the thought is that when the beavers multiply

> > they will 'have to keep the numbers down' by hunting them.

> >

> > I really cannot see any good reason for reintroducing them - not that

> > I have anything against beavers :-) Incidentally I think it was wrong

> > to kidnap them from somewhere else, just to move them to another

> country.

> >

> > BB

> > Jo

> >

> > , fraggle wrote:

> > >

> > > u don't want em bringin beavers back?

> > >

> > >

> > > heartwerk

> > > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

> > >

> > > Two wrongs don't make a right!

> > >

> > > First wild beavers for 500 years

> > >

> > > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

> > > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were

> > > hunted to extinction for their fur.

> > > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

> > > South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam

wild in

> > > the UK for centuries.

> > >

> > > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have

> > > spent the last few months in quarantine.

> > >

> > > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can

once

> > > again thrive in the British countryside.

> > >

> > > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

> > > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have

settled

> > > in so they can roam freely.

> > >

> > > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

> > > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

> > >

> > > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

> > > say the European species should be a force for good in the

> > > countryside.

> > >

> > > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and

> > > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to

> -

> > >

[Guest guest]

None in Wales? and where would I keep them? I`ll stick on the herbivores. maybe Elk?

 

The Valley Vegan...........heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

That's alright - you can keep them.Jo , peter hurd wrote:>> One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this islehas missed you.> Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............> > The Valley Vegan.................> > heartwerk wrote:> It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person has> released them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are rather> cross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it has not> been okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.> > Jo> > , fraggle wrote:> >> > but beavers are part of the natural environment there> > they are jsut

bringing back something that existed there fer> thousands of years> > in the grand scheme of things, 500 yrs is nuthin...> > > > > > heartwerk > > Oct 27, 2005 11:01 AM> > > > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!> > > > Hi Fraggle> > > > They've been gone a long time. Reintroducing them will upset the> > wildlife systems that are now there.> > > > Another thought is - they have just banned fox-hunting, and they used> > to hunt beavers - maybe the thought is that when the beavers multiply> > they will 'have to keep the numbers down' by hunting them. > > > > I really cannot see any good reason for reintroducing them - not that> > I have anything against beavers :-) Incidentally I think it was

wrong> > to kidnap them from somewhere else, just to move them to another> country.> > > > BB> > Jo> > > > , fraggle wrote:> > >> > > u don't want em bringin beavers back?> > > > > > > > > heartwerk > > > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM> > > > > > Two wrongs don't make a right!> > > > > > First wild beavers for 500 years > > > > > > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur > > > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were > > > hunted to extinction for their fur. > > > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near > > > South Cerney, Gloucestershire,

and will be the first to roamwild in > > > the UK for centuries. > > > > > > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have > > > spent the last few months in quarantine. > > > > > > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers canonce > > > again thrive in the British countryside. > > > > > > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start > > > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers havesettled > > > in so they can roam freely. > > > > > > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-> > > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions. > > > > > > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists > > > say the European species should be a force

for good in the > > > countryside. > > > > > > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and > > > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to> - > > >

[Guest guest]

ok

so..have to ask mama jo

why don't you want wolves reintroduced to places like scotland then?

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 28, 2005 3:21 PM

 

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

That's alright - you can keep them.

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle

has missed you.

> Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............

>

> The Valley Vegan.................

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

> It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person has

> released them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are rather

> cross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it has not

> been okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle wrote:

> >

> > but beavers are part of the natural environment there

> > they are jsut bringing back something that existed there fer

> thousands of years

> > in the grand scheme of things, 500 yrs is nuthin...

> >

> >

> > heartwerk

> > Oct 27, 2005 11:01 AM

> >

> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> > Hi Fraggle

> >

> > They've been gone a long time. Reintroducing them will upset the

> > wildlife systems that are now there.

> >

> > Another thought is - they have just banned fox-hunting, and they used

> > to hunt beavers - maybe the thought is that when the beavers multiply

> > they will 'have to keep the numbers down' by hunting them.

> >

> > I really cannot see any good reason for reintroducing them - not that

> > I have anything against beavers :-) Incidentally I think it was wrong

> > to kidnap them from somewhere else, just to move them to another

> country.

> >

> > BB

> > Jo

> >

> > , fraggle wrote:

> > >

> > > u don't want em bringin beavers back?

> > >

> > >

> > > heartwerk

> > > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

> > >

> > > Two wrongs don't make a right!

> > >

> > > First wild beavers for 500 years

> > >

> > > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

> > > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were

> > > hunted to extinction for their fur.

> > > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

> > > South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam

wild in

> > > the UK for centuries.

> > >

> > > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have

> > > spent the last few months in quarantine.

> > >

> > > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can

once

> > > again thrive in the British countryside.

> > >

> > > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

> > > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have

settled

> > > in so they can roam freely.

> > >

> > > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

> > > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

> > >

> > > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

> > > say the European species should be a force for good in the

> > > countryside.

> > >

> > > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and

> > > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to

> -

> > >

[Guest guest]

what is the border like between wales and england?

is there a physical wall/gate there? do you need documents or Id

to cross over?

from what I see on the map it is just a line, so beavers

could go back and forth?

 

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle

has missed you.

> Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............

>

> The Valley Vegan.................

[Guest guest]

Yes no physical border as such, we would welcome them here.

 

The Valley Vegan...........Anouk Sickler <zurumato wrote:

what is the border like between wales and england?is there a physical wall/gate there? do you need documents or Idto cross over?from what I see on the map it is just a line, so beavers could go back and forth? , peter hurd wrote:>> One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this islehas missed you.> Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............> > The Valley Vegan.................

[Guest guest]

Well that's the best news I've heard all week....

 

 

On Behalf Of fraggle28 October 2005 22:46 Subject: Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

i agree peter hurd Oct 28, 2005 2:40 PM Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle has missed you.

Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............

 

The Valley Vegan.................heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person hasreleased them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are rathercross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it has notbeen okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.Jo , fraggle wrote:>> but beavers are part of the natural environment there> they are jsut bringing back something that existed there ferthousands of years> in the grand scheme of things, 500 yrs is nuthin...> > > heartwerk > Oct 27, 2005 11:01 AM> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!> > Hi Fraggle> > They've been gone a long time. Reintroducing them will upset the> wildlife systems that are now there.> > Another thought is - they have just banned fox-hunting, and they used> to hunt beavers - maybe the thought is that when the beavers multiply> they will 'have to keep the numbers down' by hunting them. > > I really cannot see any good reason for reintroducing them - not that> I have anything against beavers :-) Incidentally I think it was wrong> to kidnap them from somewhere else, just to move them to anothercountry.> > BB> Jo> > , fraggle wrote:> >> > u don't want em bringin beavers back?> > > > > > heartwerk > > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM> > > > Two wrongs don't make a right!> > > > First wild beavers for 500 years > > > > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur > > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were > > hunted to extinction for their fur. > > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near > > South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in > > the UK for centuries. > > > > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have > > spent the last few months in quarantine. > > > > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once > > again thrive in the British countryside. > > > > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start > > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled > > in so they can roam freely. > > > > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-> > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions. > > > > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists > > say the European species should be a force for good in the > > countryside. > > > > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and > > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to- > >

[Guest guest]

There is no border between England and Wales - we are just one tiddly

little island - I'm not sure why some people feel so divided.

 

Jo

 

, " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato@e...> wrote:

>

> what is the border like between wales and england?

> is there a physical wall/gate there? do you need documents or Id

> to cross over?

> from what I see on the map it is just a line, so beavers

> could go back and forth?

>

>

> , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

> >

> > One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle

> has missed you.

> > Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............

> >

> > The Valley Vegan.................

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if all the Welsh people living in England would agree with that.

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> Yes no physical border as such, we would welcome them here.

>

> The Valley Vegan...........

>

> Anouk Sickler <zurumato@e...> wrote:

> what is the border like between wales and england?

> is there a physical wall/gate there? do you need documents or Id

> to cross over?

> from what I see on the map it is just a line, so beavers

> could go back and forth?

>

>

> , peter hurd wrote:

> >

> > One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle

> has missed you.

> > Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............

> >

> > The Valley Vegan.................

>

To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

I must say Peter - you are so insular - if you do not like English

people why do you bother to communicate on an English group?

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> Yes no physical border as such, we would welcome them here.

>

> The Valley Vegan...........

>

> Anouk Sickler <zurumato@e...> wrote:

> what is the border like between wales and england?

> is there a physical wall/gate there? do you need documents or Id

> to cross over?

> from what I see on the map it is just a line, so beavers

> could go back and forth?

>

>

> , peter hurd wrote:

> >

> > One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle

> has missed you.

> > Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............

> >

> > The Valley Vegan.................

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offa's dyke!!

hee hee peter hurd Oct 30, 2005 12:52 AM Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

Yes no physical border as such, we would welcome them here.

 

The Valley Vegan...........Anouk Sickler <zurumato wrote:

what is the border like between wales and england?is there a physical wall/gate there? do you need documents or Idto cross over?from what I see on the map it is just a line, so beavers could go back and forth? , peter hurd wrote:>> One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this islehas missed you.> Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............> > The Valley Vegan.................

[Guest guest]

Material for A great joke, but I dont think it cuts off the whole of Wales.

 

The Valley Vegan..............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

offa's dyke!!

hee hee peter hurd Oct 30, 2005 12:52 AM Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

Yes no physical border as such, we would welcome them here.

 

The Valley Vegan...........Anouk Sickler <zurumato wrote:

what is the border like between wales and england?is there a physical wall/gate there? do you need documents or Idto cross over?from what I see on the map it is just a line, so beavers could go back and forth? , peter hurd wrote:>> One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this islehas missed you.> Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............> > The Valley Vegan.................

[Guest guest]

Why do you keep taking everything I say personally/literally, it is not meant with any nastyness, just maintaining a long running traditional gag.

As far as I know there are no vegan Welsh chat groups?, so until I am bannished into the ether wilderness, here I am, take me or leave me.

I have never considered myself insular, but I suppose I may be,its not for me to say. Do I offend you?, if so I whole heartedly apologise. I am flippant, and do like to get a reaction in people , but thats just me.Dont take it to heart.

We`ll keep a welcome in the hillsides, we`ll keep a welcome in the........

The Valley Vegan................

 

Eli i pob dolur yw amynedd Patience is an ointment for every sore heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

I must say Peter - you are so insular - if you do not like Englishpeople why do you bother to communicate on an English group?Jo , peter hurd wrote:>> Yes no physical border as such, we would welcome them here.> > The Valley Vegan...........> > Anouk Sickler wrote:> what is the border like between wales and england?> is there a physical wall/gate there? do you need documents or Id> to cross over?> from what I see on the map it is just a line, so beavers > could go back and forth?> > > , peter hurd wrote:> >> > One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle> has missed you.> > Now if only we can get the bears and the

wolves back...............> > > > The Valley Vegan.................> > > > > > > > To send an email to - >

[Guest guest]

Would agree with what?

No physical border?, or that we would welcome the beavers in Wales?

You`ve lost me now?

 

The Valley Vegan..............

 

Nid hawdd bodloni pawb It is not easy to please everyone heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

I wonder if all the Welsh people living in England would agree with that.Jo , peter hurd wrote:>> Yes no physical border as such, we would welcome them here.> > The Valley Vegan...........> > Anouk Sickler wrote:> what is the border like between wales and england?> is there a physical wall/gate there? do you need documents or Id> to cross over?> from what I see on the map it is just a line, so beavers > could go back and forth?> > > , peter hurd wrote:> >> > One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle> has missed you.> > Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............> > > > The

Valley Vegan.................> > > > > > > > To send an email to - >

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter

 

As far as I am concerned you are welcome here - but you just always

seem to dislike England and English people. Whatever has happened

between England and Wales is not the fault of people like me - and I

do find some of your remarks offensive. I have never thought of

divisions between normal people, only governments, and I nor any of my

family have ever been in a government, and have never done anything

nasty to any Welsh people.

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> Why do you keep taking everything I say personally/literally, it is

not meant with any nastyness, just maintaining a long running

traditional gag.

> As far as I know there are no vegan Welsh chat groups?, so until I

am bannished into the ether wilderness, here I am, take me or leave me.

> I have never considered myself insular, but I suppose I may be,its

not for me to say. Do I offend you?, if so I whole heartedly

apologise. I am flippant, and do like to get a reaction in people ,

but thats just me.Dont take it to heart.

> We`ll keep a welcome in the hillsides, we`ll keep a welcome in

the........

> The Valley Vegan................

>

> Eli i pob dolur yw amynedd Patience is an ointment for every sore

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

> I must say Peter - you are so insular - if you do not like English

> people why do you bother to communicate on an English group?

>

> Jo

>

> , peter hurd wrote:

> >

> > Yes no physical border as such, we would welcome them here.

> >

> > The Valley Vegan...........

> >

> > Anouk Sickler wrote:

> > what is the border like between wales and england?

> > is there a physical wall/gate there? do you need documents or Id

> > to cross over?

> > from what I see on the map it is just a line, so beavers

> > could go back and forth?

> >

> >

> > , peter hurd wrote:

> > >

> > > One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle

> > has missed you.

> > > Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............

> > >

> > > The Valley Vegan.................

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to

-

> >

[Guest guest]

You mentioned borders and that you would welcome them (borders) in

Wales - you didn't qualify your sentence with the word 'beavers' - so

were you deliberately misleading me, or was it an accident? :-)

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> Would agree with what?

> No physical border?, or that we would welcome the beavers in Wales?

> You`ve lost me now?

>

> The Valley Vegan..............

>

> Nid hawdd bodloni pawb It is not easy to please everyone

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

> I wonder if all the Welsh people living in England would agree with

that.

>

> Jo

>

> , peter hurd wrote:

> >

> > Yes no physical border as such, we would welcome them here.

> >

> > The Valley Vegan...........

> >

> > Anouk Sickler wrote:

> > what is the border like between wales and england?

> > is there a physical wall/gate there? do you need documents or Id

> > to cross over?

> > from what I see on the map it is just a line, so beavers

> > could go back and forth?

> >

> >

> > , peter hurd wrote:

> > >

> > > One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle

> > has missed you.

> > > Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............

> > >

> > > The Valley Vegan.................

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to

-

> >

[Guest guest]

Well I am Welsh! so I must be hard to understand! Look once and for all,I was not deliberately misleading you O.K.?

 

The Valley Vegan...................

 

Hawdd cynnau tan ar hen aelwyd It is easy to kindle a fire on an old hearth heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

You mentioned borders and that you would welcome them (borders) inWales - you didn't qualify your sentence with the word 'beavers' - sowere you deliberately misleading me, or was it an accident? :-)Jo , peter hurd wrote:>> Would agree with what?> No physical border?, or that we would welcome the beavers in Wales?> You`ve lost me now?> > The Valley Vegan..............> > Nid hawdd bodloni pawb It is not easy to please everyone > > > heartwerk wrote:> I wonder if all the Welsh people living in England would agree withthat.> > Jo> > , peter hurd wrote:> >> > Yes no physical border as such, we would welcome them here.> >

> > The Valley Vegan...........> > > > Anouk Sickler wrote:> > what is the border like between wales and england?> > is there a physical wall/gate there? do you need documents or Id> > to cross over?> > from what I see on the map it is just a line, so beavers > > could go back and forth?> > > > > > , peter hurd wrote:> > >> > > One mans whim is another mans dream, welcome home beavers, this isle> > has missed you.> > > Now if only we can get the bears and the wolves back...............> > > > > > The Valley Vegan.................> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to- > >