Two wrongs don't make a right!

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Hey, who knows. I can't swear to the type but the guy did say they were

imported from Europe. I do know that no beaver are native to CA. Yeah know

how park rangers are.

 

Lynda

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" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

 

Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:54 PM

Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

 

> i'm still lost on the fact that someone would import beavers from europe

> to yosemite..

> they aren't even the same species as our beaver...

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork

> Oct 27, 2005 2:50 PM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> The ones the chap shipped here were from Romania apparently.

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>>

>> thats just plain weird

>> why the heck would they import em from europe, where there are less

> then a quarter million all told, when you can go 60 miles and find

> native beavers here...

>>

>>

>

> I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can still

> do something; and because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do

> the something that I can do.

>

>

>

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That's true - but presumably there used to be dinosaurs as well - just

because something was here back in history doesn't mean it is good to

reintroduce it.

 

Anyway, what ever you or I think, if the government wants to reintroduce

them they will, and only time will tell whether there is any detrimental

effect.

 

Jo

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" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

 

Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:02 PM

Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

 

> but how would they interfere

> they are part of the natural environment of the UK

> there use to be beavers there

> hence, since they are exterminated, part of the web is missing....

> beavers do kill trees, but, they encourage second growth of forests, and

when they build dams(apparantly yer european beaver ain;t as dam happy as

ours are) they create new habitats for a large number of species

> plus, i read some study where beavers are responsible fer the spread of

alders across the Uk...

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork

> Oct 27, 2005 2:59 PM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> There may not be a big deal - but it may interfere with the other

> wildlife here already - maybe there will be less food for them or

> fewer places to build there homes (if beavers build homes). I am sure

> it will have some effect. If what Lynda says is correct then they may

> also devestate our trees.

>

> Whether there will be a problem or not it seems very unfair of this

> chap to decide that he will buy wild animals from Romania, put them in

> quarantine for six months and then put them out in the wild.

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> >

> > hmm

> > sorry

> > i still don;t see wot the big deal is..

> > they are native to the UK..

> > its not like they are bringin in dingoes er lions er something

> (bacchus knows you've got enough escaped big cats wandering around yer

> isle)

> > but..whichever...

> > fraggle

> >

> >

> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > Oct 27, 2005 2:43 PM

> >

> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> > It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person has

> > released them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are rather

> > cross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it has not

> > been okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > ---

> >

> > But they've all gone mad now

> > Well you'd be pretty mad too

> > If what happened to cows happened to you

> > Having your children taken away

> > Forced to stand in a pen each day

> > Fed the shit from other dead things

> > Then chopped to bits...

> >

>

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They eat small trees. They go through like a bush hog and just level them!

You can tell where there are beaver! Looks like someone has come through

with giant scissors and cut the things down!

 

At Yosemite they have had to put wire cages around all the young trees to

protect them.

 

Lynda

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" heartwerk " <jo.heartwork

 

Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:59 PM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

 

> There may not be a big deal - but it may interfere with the other

> wildlife here already - maybe there will be less food for them or

> fewer places to build there homes (if beavers build homes). I am sure

> it will have some effect. If what Lynda says is correct then they may

> also devestate our trees.

>

> Whether there will be a problem or not it seems very unfair of this

> chap to decide that he will buy wild animals from Romania, put them in

> quarantine for six months and then put them out in the wild.

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>>

>> hmm

>> sorry

>> i still don;t see wot the big deal is..

>> they are native to the UK..

>> its not like they are bringin in dingoes er lions er something

> (bacchus knows you've got enough escaped big cats wandering around yer

> isle)

>> but..whichever...

>> fraggle

>>

>>

>> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

>> Oct 27, 2005 2:43 PM

>>

>> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>>

>> It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person has

>> released them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are rather

>> cross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it has not

>> been okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.

>>

>> Jo

>>

>> ---

>>

>> But they've all gone mad now

>> Well you'd be pretty mad too

>> If what happened to cows happened to you

>> Having your children taken away

>> Forced to stand in a pen each day

>> Fed the shit from other dead things

>> Then chopped to bits...

>>

>

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They don't have the natural predators anymore, Fraggle. If you are going to

return the beaver, you have to return the critters that ate the beavers.

 

Lynda

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" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

 

Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:02 PM

Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

 

> but how would they interfere

> they are part of the natural environment of the UK

> there use to be beavers there

> hence, since they are exterminated, part of the web is missing....

> beavers do kill trees, but, they encourage second growth of forests, and

> when they build dams(apparantly yer european beaver ain;t as dam happy as

> ours are) they create new habitats for a large number of species

> plus, i read some study where beavers are responsible fer the spread of

> alders across the Uk...

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork

> Oct 27, 2005 2:59 PM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> There may not be a big deal - but it may interfere with the other

> wildlife here already - maybe there will be less food for them or

> fewer places to build there homes (if beavers build homes). I am sure

> it will have some effect. If what Lynda says is correct then they may

> also devestate our trees.

>

> Whether there will be a problem or not it seems very unfair of this

> chap to decide that he will buy wild animals from Romania, put them in

> quarantine for six months and then put them out in the wild.

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>>

>> hmm

>> sorry

>> i still don;t see wot the big deal is..

>> they are native to the UK..

>> its not like they are bringin in dingoes er lions er something

> (bacchus knows you've got enough escaped big cats wandering around yer

> isle)

>> but..whichever...

>> fraggle

>>

>>

>> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

>> Oct 27, 2005 2:43 PM

>>

>> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>>

>> It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person has

>> released them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are rather

>> cross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it has not

>> been okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.

>>

>> Jo

>>

>> ---

>>

>> But they've all gone mad now

>> Well you'd be pretty mad too

>> If what happened to cows happened to you

>> Having your children taken away

>> Forced to stand in a pen each day

>> Fed the shit from other dead things

>> Then chopped to bits...

>>

>

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oh yer being silly

tis a slight difference between a few hundred years and 70 million yrs....

 

but whichever

fer my part..bring em back..they belong in the UK..existed there fer thousands

of years..it was only thru the stoopidity of humans that they don;t anymore...

 

 

jo <jo.heartwork

Oct 27, 2005 3:19 PM

 

Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

That's true - but presumably there used to be dinosaurs as well - just

because something was here back in history doesn't mean it is good to

reintroduce it.

 

Anyway, what ever you or I think, if the government wants to reintroduce

them they will, and only time will tell whether there is any detrimental

effect.

 

Jo

 

But they've all gone mad now

Well you'd be pretty mad too

If what happened to cows happened to you

Having your children taken away

Forced to stand in a pen each day

Fed the shit from other dead things

Then chopped to bits...

[Guest guest]

read it again lynda

it sez SOME

 

 

Lynda <lurine

Oct 27, 2005 3:17 PM

 

Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

The Castor canadensis were introduced in CA, Fraggle. They are native to

Canada, Oregon and the East Coast.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/hcpb/species/nuis_exo/exo_spp.shtml

 

They introduced beavers, according to the park rangers, to Yosemite, for

some reason way back when and now they are doing extensive damage.

 

Lynda

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" heartwerk " <jo.heartwork

 

Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:50 PM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

 

> The ones the chap shipped here were from Romania apparently.

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>>

>> thats just plain weird

>> why the heck would they import em from europe, where there are less

> then a quarter million all told, when you can go 60 miles and find

> native beavers here...

>>

>>

>> Lynda <lurine@s...>

>> Oct 27, 2005 11:52 AM

>>

>> Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>>

>> It was on t.v. a couple of nights ago. They did a special on

> Yosemite. I

>> knew they were doing alot of damage and a lot of the CC kids were going

>> around fencing off trees to protect them. Just didn't know that they

>> imported the beavers from Europe.

>>

>> Lynda

>> -----

>>

>> But they've all gone mad now

>> Well you'd be pretty mad too

>> If what happened to cows happened to you

>> Having your children taken away

>> Forced to stand in a pen each day

>> Fed the shit from other dead things

>> Then chopped to bits...

>>

>

>

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fine with me....

 

and..there still are some predators..foxes, mink..birds of prey....

 

 

Lynda <lurine

Oct 27, 2005 3:24 PM

 

Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

They don't have the natural predators anymore, Fraggle. If you are going to

return the beaver, you have to return the critters that ate the beavers.

 

Lynda

 

 

But they've all gone mad now

Well you'd be pretty mad too

If what happened to cows happened to you

Having your children taken away

Forced to stand in a pen each day

Fed the shit from other dead things

Then chopped to bits...

[Guest guest]

I don't know Fraggle, I don't think I would want dinos here either!

 

Nikki

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> oh yer being silly

> tis a slight difference between a few hundred years and 70 million

yrs....

>

>

> but whichever

> fer my part..bring em back..they belong in the UK..existed there

fer thousands of years..it was only thru the stoopidity of humans

that they don;t anymore...

>

>

> jo <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 27, 2005 3:19 PM

>

> Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> That's true - but presumably there used to be dinosaurs as well -

just

> because something was here back in history doesn't mean it is good

to

> reintroduce it.

>

> Anyway, what ever you or I think, if the government wants to

reintroduce

> them they will, and only time will tell whether there is any

detrimental

> effect.

>

> Jo

[Guest guest]

yeah they are native here

just not everywhere..

they were imported to various sierra locales and into SoCal

but there were beaver here

read the accounts of the early mountain men,..

they just didn't find many

look at a map of california, and look at the beaver place names

 

there use to be a beaver trading post up by shasta...

 

 

Lynda <lurine

Oct 27, 2005 3:18 PM

 

Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

Hey, who knows. I can't swear to the type but the guy did say they were

imported from Europe. I do know that no beaver are native to CA. Yeah know

how park rangers are.

 

Lynda

 

 

But they've all gone mad now

Well you'd be pretty mad too

If what happened to cows happened to you

Having your children taken away

Forced to stand in a pen each day

Fed the shit from other dead things

Then chopped to bits...

[Guest guest]

*rolls eyes*

dinosaurs died out 70 odd million years ago..er 65 million..er wotever

note

65,000,000..

beaver were exterminated 500 years ago

see..

500

much smaller number

beavers lived with humans, and were exterminated by em

 

dinosaurs never saw a human....and got slammed by a big ol meteor(maybe)

 

 

earthstrm <nikkimack

Oct 27, 2005 3:38 PM

 

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

I don't know Fraggle, I don't think I would want dinos here either!

 

Nikki

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> oh yer being silly

> tis a slight difference between a few hundred years and 70 million

yrs....

>

>

> but whichever

> fer my part..bring em back..they belong in the UK..existed there

fer thousands of years..it was only thru the stoopidity of humans

that they don;t anymore...

>

>

> jo <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 27, 2005 3:19 PM

>

> Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> That's true - but presumably there used to be dinosaurs as well -

just

> because something was here back in history doesn't mean it is good

to

> reintroduce it.

>

> Anyway, what ever you or I think, if the government wants to

reintroduce

> them they will, and only time will tell whether there is any

detrimental

> effect.

>

> Jo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So did wolves.

 

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> oh yer being silly

> tis a slight difference between a few hundred years and 70 million

yrs....

>

>

> but whichever

> fer my part..bring em back..they belong in the UK..existed there

fer thousands of years..it was only thru the stoopidity of humans

that they don;t anymore...

>

>

> jo <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 27, 2005 3:19 PM

>

> Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> That's true - but presumably there used to be dinosaurs as well -

just

> because something was here back in history doesn't mean it is good

to

> reintroduce it.

>

> Anyway, what ever you or I think, if the government wants to

reintroduce

> them they will, and only time will tell whether there is any

detrimental

> effect.

>

> Jo

>

> But they've all gone mad now

> Well you'd be pretty mad too

> If what happened to cows happened to you

> Having your children taken away

> Forced to stand in a pen each day

> Fed the shit from other dead things

> Then chopped to bits...

>

[Guest guest]

Bears, apparently.

 

Jo

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

>

> They don't have the natural predators anymore, Fraggle. If you are

going to

> return the beaver, you have to return the critters that ate the

beavers.

>

> Lynda

> -

> " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...>

>

> Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:02 PM

> Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

>

> > but how would they interfere

> > they are part of the natural environment of the UK

> > there use to be beavers there

> > hence, since they are exterminated, part of the web is missing....

> > beavers do kill trees, but, they encourage second growth of

forests, and

> > when they build dams(apparantly yer european beaver ain;t as dam

happy as

> > ours are) they create new habitats for a large number of species

> > plus, i read some study where beavers are responsible fer the

spread of

> > alders across the Uk...

> >

> >

> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > Oct 27, 2005 2:59 PM

> >

> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> > There may not be a big deal - but it may interfere with the other

> > wildlife here already - maybe there will be less food for them or

> > fewer places to build there homes (if beavers build homes). I am

sure

> > it will have some effect. If what Lynda says is correct then

they may

> > also devestate our trees.

> >

> > Whether there will be a problem or not it seems very unfair of

this

> > chap to decide that he will buy wild animals from Romania, put

them in

> > quarantine for six months and then put them out in the wild.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...>

wrote:

> >>

> >> hmm

> >> sorry

> >> i still don;t see wot the big deal is..

> >> they are native to the UK..

> >> its not like they are bringin in dingoes er lions er something

> > (bacchus knows you've got enough escaped big cats wandering

around yer

> > isle)

> >> but..whichever...

> >> fraggle

> >>

> >>

> >> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> >> Oct 27, 2005 2:43 PM

> >>

> >> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >>

> >> It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person has

> >> released them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are

rather

> >> cross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it

has not

> >> been okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.

> >>

> >> Jo

> >>

> >> ---

> >>

> >> But they've all gone mad now

> >> Well you'd be pretty mad too

> >> If what happened to cows happened to you

> >> Having your children taken away

> >> Forced to stand in a pen each day

> >> Fed the shit from other dead things

> >> Then chopped to bits...

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to -

 

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I hope that doesn't happen here!!!

 

Jo

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

>

> They eat small trees. They go through like a bush hog and just

level them!

> You can tell where there are beaver! Looks like someone has come

through

> with giant scissors and cut the things down!

>

> At Yosemite they have had to put wire cages around all the young

trees to

> protect them.

>

> Lynda

> -

> " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...>

>

> Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:59 PM

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

>

> > There may not be a big deal - but it may interfere with the other

> > wildlife here already - maybe there will be less food for them or

> > fewer places to build there homes (if beavers build homes). I am

sure

> > it will have some effect. If what Lynda says is correct then

they may

> > also devestate our trees.

> >

> > Whether there will be a problem or not it seems very unfair of

this

> > chap to decide that he will buy wild animals from Romania, put

them in

> > quarantine for six months and then put them out in the wild.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...>

wrote:

> >>

> >> hmm

> >> sorry

> >> i still don;t see wot the big deal is..

> >> they are native to the UK..

> >> its not like they are bringin in dingoes er lions er something

> > (bacchus knows you've got enough escaped big cats wandering

around yer

> > isle)

> >> but..whichever...

> >> fraggle

> >>

> >>

> >> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> >> Oct 27, 2005 2:43 PM

> >>

> >> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >>

> >> It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person has

> >> released them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are

rather

> >> cross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it

has not

> >> been okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.

> >>

> >> Jo

> >>

> >> ---

> >>

> >> But they've all gone mad now

> >> Well you'd be pretty mad too

> >> If what happened to cows happened to you

> >> Having your children taken away

> >> Forced to stand in a pen each day

> >> Fed the shit from other dead things

> >> Then chopped to bits...

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to -

 

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yeah..and they belong back there as well...

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 27, 2005 11:36 PM

 

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

So did wolves.

 

Jo

 

 

 

The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain

other

sets of people are human: Aldous Huxley

[Guest guest]

is wot because i live in town?

 

i'm all for bringing back species to their natural habitats that have been wiped

out due to the negligence and destruction by humankind

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 27, 2005 11:40 PM

 

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

Is that because you live in town?

 

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

>

> fine with me....

>

> and..there still are some predators..foxes, mink..birds of prey....

>

>

 

The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain

other

sets of people are human: Aldous Huxley

[Guest guest]

Oops, scores again. I didn't get Fraggles post that this one answers.

Fox, mink and birds of prey are not predators of beavers. Perhaps of kits

but not of the adults and the kits don't stray far from the houses.

 

The average beaver weighs in at 35 to 90 pounds.

 

Fox are small and eat berries, eggs, birds, repiles and *small* mammals.

 

Mink are small and don't eat larger mammals.

 

And, except for eagles, I don't see too many birds being able to carry off

too many beavers.

 

So, we're down to bears, mountain lions (not their usual choice and I don't

think they have them on that side of the pond <g>) and they aren't on the

usual dinner menu for wolves. Oh, and I don't think they have coyotes and

they aren't on their usual dinner menu either.

 

Guess we're down to humans as the only predator left.

 

Lynda

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" heartwerk " <jo.heartwork

 

Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:40 PM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

 

> Is that because you live in town?

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>>

>>

>> fine with me....

>>

>> and..there still are some predators..foxes, mink..birds of prey....

[Guest guest]

How about removing introduced species that are taking over native species to

their detriment or demise?

 

Lynda

-

" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

 

 

>

> is wot because i live in town?

>

> i'm all for bringing back species to their natural habitats that have been

> wiped out due to the negligence and destruction by humankind

>

>

[Guest guest]

if they kill kits, then they still kill em, correcto?

and mink and deadly to beaver kits...they go right into the den..

prolly worse fer european beavers as they many live in banks, and not lodges...

 

and no, no mountain lions over thar..

 

 

 

 

Lynda <lurine

Oct 28, 2005 9:27 AM

 

Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

Oops, scores again. I didn't get Fraggles post that this one answers.

Fox, mink and birds of prey are not predators of beavers. Perhaps of kits

but not of the adults and the kits don't stray far from the houses.

 

The average beaver weighs in at 35 to 90 pounds.

 

Fox are small and eat berries, eggs, birds, repiles and *small* mammals.

 

Mink are small and don't eat larger mammals.

 

And, except for eagles, I don't see too many birds being able to carry off

too many beavers.

 

So, we're down to bears, mountain lions (not their usual choice and I don't

think they have them on that side of the pond <g>) and they aren't on the

usual dinner menu for wolves. Oh, and I don't think they have coyotes and

they aren't on their usual dinner menu either.

 

Guess we're down to humans as the only predator left.

 

Lynda

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Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:40 PM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

 

> Is that because you live in town?

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>>

>>

>> fine with me....

>>

>> and..there still are some predators..foxes, mink..birds of prey....

 

 

 

 

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No they don't.

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> yeah..and they belong back there as well...

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 27, 2005 11:36 PM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> So did wolves.

>

> Jo

>

>

>

> The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that

certain other

> sets of people are human: Aldous Huxley

>

[Guest guest]

No, we don't have wolves etc. So there are no predators...

 

Jo

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

>

> Oops, scores again. I didn't get Fraggles post that this one

answers.

> Fox, mink and birds of prey are not predators of beavers. Perhaps

of kits

> but not of the adults and the kits don't stray far from the houses.

>

> The average beaver weighs in at 35 to 90 pounds.

>

> Fox are small and eat berries, eggs, birds, repiles and *small* mammals.

>

> Mink are small and don't eat larger mammals.

>

> And, except for eagles, I don't see too many birds being able to

carry off

> too many beavers.

>

> So, we're down to bears, mountain lions (not their usual choice and

I don't

> think they have them on that side of the pond <g>) and they aren't

on the

> usual dinner menu for wolves. Oh, and I don't think they have

coyotes and

> they aren't on their usual dinner menu either.

>

> Guess we're down to humans as the only predator left.

>

> Lynda

> -

> " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...>

>

> Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:40 PM

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

>

> > Is that because you live in town?

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> fine with me....

> >>

> >> and..there still are some predators..foxes, mink..birds of prey....

>

[Guest guest]

We do have lots and lots of mink, stoats, weasels - so looks like all

the beaver kits might get eaten!

 

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> if they kill kits, then they still kill em, correcto?

> and mink and deadly to beaver kits...they go right into the den..

> prolly worse fer european beavers as they many live in banks, and

not lodges...

>

> and no, no mountain lions over thar..

>

>

>

>

> Lynda <lurine@s...>

> Oct 28, 2005 9:27 AM

>

> Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> Oops, scores again. I didn't get Fraggles post that this one

answers.

> Fox, mink and birds of prey are not predators of beavers. Perhaps

of kits

> but not of the adults and the kits don't stray far from the houses.

>

> The average beaver weighs in at 35 to 90 pounds.

>

> Fox are small and eat berries, eggs, birds, repiles and *small* mammals.

>

> Mink are small and don't eat larger mammals.

>

> And, except for eagles, I don't see too many birds being able to

carry off

> too many beavers.

>

> So, we're down to bears, mountain lions (not their usual choice and

I don't

> think they have them on that side of the pond <g>) and they aren't

on the

> usual dinner menu for wolves. Oh, and I don't think they have

coyotes and

> they aren't on their usual dinner menu either.

>

> Guess we're down to humans as the only predator left.

>

> Lynda

> -

> " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...>

>

> Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:40 PM

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

>

> > Is that because you live in town?

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> fine with me....

> >>

> >> and..there still are some predators..foxes, mink..birds of prey....

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

hahahahaha

ok ok

i disagree..

but..wotever....

you have yer opinion....

and i have mine....

 

someday i'll bring you into the light

hee hee

i kid i kid!!

 

 

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 28, 2005 10:39 AM

 

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

No they don't.

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> yeah..and they belong back there as well...

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 27, 2005 11:36 PM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> So did wolves.

>

> Jo

>

>

>

> The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that

certain other

> sets of people are human: Aldous Huxley

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

bring em back

bring em back!

hee hee

 

wot about the lynx? does it still exist in scotland? i know its hella endangered

on the continent...

it is a main predator of beavers as well

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 28, 2005 10:45 AM

 

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

No, we don't have wolves etc. So there are no predators...

 

Jo

 

 

The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain

other

sets of people are human: Aldous Huxley

[Guest guest]

well..i would assume not all...

 

and tho a weasel, stout, er martin good easily get into a bank beaver's hole,

they'd be out of luck with a lodge...

tho..a mink could get in there....

 

way back when, knew someone who had a beaver lodge by their house...the beavers

would take carrots out of their hands...

i loved there sounds..that ughn ughn ughn call was damn adorable fer some reason

anyways..one spring..a mink got into the lodge

no kits that year.....

 

fraggle

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 28, 2005 10:46 AM

 

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

We do have lots and lots of mink, stoats, weasels - so looks like all

the beaver kits might get eaten!

 

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> if they kill kits, then they still kill em, correcto?

> and mink and deadly to beaver kits...they go right into the den..

> prolly worse fer european beavers as they many live in banks, and

not lodges...

>

> and no, no mountain lions over thar..

>

>

>

>

> Lynda <lurine@s...>

> Oct 28, 2005 9:27 AM

>

> Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> Oops, scores again. I didn't get Fraggles post that this one

answers.

> Fox, mink and birds of prey are not predators of beavers. Perhaps

of kits

> but not of the adults and the kits don't stray far from the houses.

>

> The average beaver weighs in at 35 to 90 pounds.

>

> Fox are small and eat berries, eggs, birds, repiles and *small* mammals.

>

> Mink are small and don't eat larger mammals.

>

> And, except for eagles, I don't see too many birds being able to

carry off

> too many beavers.

>

> So, we're down to bears, mountain lions (not their usual choice and

I don't

> think they have them on that side of the pond <g>) and they aren't

on the

> usual dinner menu for wolves. Oh, and I don't think they have

coyotes and

> they aren't on their usual dinner menu either.

>

> Guess we're down to humans as the only predator left.

>

> Lynda

> -

> " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...>

>

> Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:40 PM

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

>

> > Is that because you live in town?

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> fine with me....

> >>

> >> and..there still are some predators..foxes, mink..birds of prey....

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

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LOL - no light for me thanks :-)

 

BB

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> hahahahaha

> ok ok

> i disagree..

> but..wotever....

> you have yer opinion....

> and i have mine....

>

> someday i'll bring you into the light

> hee hee

> i kid i kid!!

>

>

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 28, 2005 10:39 AM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> No they don't.

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> >

> > yeah..and they belong back there as well...

> >

> >

> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > Oct 27, 2005 11:36 PM

> >

> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> > So did wolves.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> >

> >

> > The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that

> certain other

> > sets of people are human: Aldous Huxley

> >

>

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