Two wrongs don't make a right!

October 27, 2005

u don't want em bringin beavers back?

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

Two wrongs don't make a right!

First wild beavers for 500 years

Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were

hunted to extinction for their fur.

Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in

the UK for centuries.

The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have

spent the last few months in quarantine.

If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once

again thrive in the British countryside.

Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled

in so they can roam freely.

The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

say the European species should be a force for good in the

countryside.

It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and

the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

To send an email to -

October 27, 2005

Bring back the beavers I say!

The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

u don't want em bringin beavers back?heartwerk Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Two wrongs don't make a right!First wild beavers for 500 years Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were hunted to extinction for their fur. Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in the UK for centuries. The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have spent the last few months in quarantine. If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once again thrive in the British countryside. Although the animals will be

confined to a 500-acre site to start with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled in so they can roam freely. The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-relieving properties of its anal gland secretions. Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists say the European species should be a force for good in the countryside. It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris To send an email to -

October 27, 2005

It would be nice if they went to Yosemite and took the European beavers that

they let loose there and took them back to Europe! They are extremely

destructive!

Lynda

-

" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:13 AM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>u don't want em bringin beavers back?

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork

> Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

>

> Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> First wild beavers for 500 years

>

> Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

> Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were

> hunted to extinction for their fur.

> Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

> South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in

> the UK for centuries.

>

> The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have

> spent the last few months in quarantine.

>

> If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once

> again thrive in the British countryside.

>

> Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

> with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled

> in so they can roam freely.

>

> The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

> relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

>

> Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

> say the European species should be a force for good in the

> countryside.

>

> It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and

> the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

>

To send an email to -

>

October 27, 2005

i concur...

i wonder if they'll be bank beavers...

most european beavers don't build dams anymore..at least thats wot i read a looooong time ago

the ones that built dams and lodges all got trapped out of existence, so only the ones who built homes in banks survived

sorta like rattlesnakes here..a lot of rattlesnakes don't rattle anymore... peter hurd Oct 27, 2005 10:05 AM Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

Bring back the beavers I say!

The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

u don't want em bringin beavers back?heartwerk Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Two wrongs don't make a right!First wild beavers for 500 years Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were hunted to extinction for their fur. Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in the UK for centuries. The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have spent the last few months in quarantine. If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once again thrive in the British countryside. Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled in so they can roam freely. The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-relieving properties of its anal gland secretions. Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists say the European species should be a force for good in the countryside. It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris To send an email to -

October 27, 2005

There is talk of letting them run free once established so that they can keep the waterways free of obstruction, so obviosly building dams is no longer one of their hobbies?

The Valley Vegan.............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

i concur...

i wonder if they'll be bank beavers...

most european beavers don't build dams anymore..at least thats wot i read a looooong time ago

the ones that built dams and lodges all got trapped out of existence, so only the ones who built homes in banks survived

sorta like rattlesnakes here..a lot of rattlesnakes don't rattle anymore... peter hurd Oct 27, 2005 10:05 AM Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

Bring back the beavers I say!

The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

u don't want em bringin beavers back?heartwerk Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Two wrongs don't make a right!First wild beavers for 500 years Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were hunted to extinction for their fur. Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in the UK for centuries. The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have spent the last few months in quarantine. If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once again thrive in the British countryside. Although the animals will be

confined to a 500-acre site to start with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled in so they can roam freely. The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-relieving properties of its anal gland secretions. Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists say the European species should be a force for good in the countryside. It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris To send an email to -

October 27, 2005

Hi Fraggle

They've been gone a long time. Reintroducing them will upset the

wildlife systems that are now there.

Another thought is - they have just banned fox-hunting, and they used

to hunt beavers - maybe the thought is that when the beavers multiply

they will 'have to keep the numbers down' by hunting them.

I really cannot see any good reason for reintroducing them - not that

I have anything against beavers :-) Incidentally I think it was wrong

to kidnap them from somewhere else, just to move them to another country.

BB

Jo

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> u don't want em bringin beavers back?

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

>

> Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> First wild beavers for 500 years

>

> Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

> Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were

> hunted to extinction for their fur.

> Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

> South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in

> the UK for centuries.

>

> The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have

> spent the last few months in quarantine.

>

> If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once

> again thrive in the British countryside.

>

> Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

> with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled

> in so they can roam freely.

>

> The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

> relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

>

> Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

> say the European species should be a force for good in the

> countryside.

>

> It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and

> the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

>

To send an email to -

>

October 27, 2005

That seems like another good reason for Britain not to introduce them :-)

Jo

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

>

> It would be nice if they went to Yosemite and took the European

beavers that

> they let loose there and took them back to Europe! They are extremely

> destructive!

>

> Lynda

> -

> " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...>

>

> Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:13 AM

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> >u don't want em bringin beavers back?

> >

> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

> >

> > Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> > First wild beavers for 500 years

> >

> > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

> > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were

> > hunted to extinction for their fur.

> > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

> > South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in

> > the UK for centuries.

> >

> > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have

> > spent the last few months in quarantine.

> >

> > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once

> > again thrive in the British countryside.

> >

> > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

> > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled

> > in so they can roam freely.

> >

> > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

> > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

> >

> > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

> > say the European species should be a force for good in the

> > countryside.

> >

> > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and

> > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

> >

> > To send an email to -

> >

October 27, 2005

but beavers are part of the natural environment there

they are jsut bringing back something that existed there fer thousands of years

in the grand scheme of things, 500 yrs is nuthin...

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 27, 2005 11:01 AM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

Hi Fraggle

They've been gone a long time. Reintroducing them will upset the

wildlife systems that are now there.

Another thought is - they have just banned fox-hunting, and they used

to hunt beavers - maybe the thought is that when the beavers multiply

they will 'have to keep the numbers down' by hunting them.

I really cannot see any good reason for reintroducing them - not that

I have anything against beavers :-) Incidentally I think it was wrong

to kidnap them from somewhere else, just to move them to another country.

BB

Jo

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> u don't want em bringin beavers back?

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

>

> Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> First wild beavers for 500 years

>

> Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

> Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were

> hunted to extinction for their fur.

> Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

> South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in

> the UK for centuries.

>

> The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have

> spent the last few months in quarantine.

>

> If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once

> again thrive in the British countryside.

>

> Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

> with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled

> in so they can roam freely.

>

> The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

> relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

>

> Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

> say the European species should be a force for good in the

> countryside.

>

> It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and

> the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

>

To send an email to -

>

October 27, 2005

beavers aren't native to the yosemite valley(tho, never heard they were european

beavers)

beavers are native to the UK..

they were just hunted out of existence...

is trapping legal in the UK?

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 27, 2005 11:02 AM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

That seems like another good reason for Britain not to introduce them :-)

Jo

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

>

> It would be nice if they went to Yosemite and took the European

beavers that

> they let loose there and took them back to Europe! They are extremely

> destructive!

>

> Lynda

> -

> " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...>

>

> Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:13 AM

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> >u don't want em bringin beavers back?

> >

> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

> >

> > Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> > First wild beavers for 500 years

> >

> > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

> > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were

> > hunted to extinction for their fur.

> > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

> > South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in

> > the UK for centuries.

> >

> > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have

> > spent the last few months in quarantine.

> >

> > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once

> > again thrive in the British countryside.

> >

> > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

> > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled

> > in so they can roam freely.

> >

> > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

> > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

> >

> > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

> > say the European species should be a force for good in the

> > countryside.

> >

> > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and

> > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

> >

> > To send an email to -

> >

October 27, 2005

There are too many in Yosemite. They are destroying the forests there.

They don't belong there. They belong in Europe and the animal rights groups

are up in arms about not killing them. I think they are some of the folks

that want to move them back where they came from. Perhaps they are part of

the folks that are wanting to reintroduce them?

Lynda

-

" heartwerk " <jo.heartwork

Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:01 AM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> Hi Fraggle

>

> They've been gone a long time. Reintroducing them will upset the

> wildlife systems that are now there.

>

> Another thought is - they have just banned fox-hunting, and they used

> to hunt beavers - maybe the thought is that when the beavers multiply

> they will 'have to keep the numbers down' by hunting them.

>

> I really cannot see any good reason for reintroducing them - not that

> I have anything against beavers :-) Incidentally I think it was wrong

> to kidnap them from somewhere else, just to move them to another country.

>

> BB

> Jo

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>>

>> u don't want em bringin beavers back?

>>

>> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

>> Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

>>

>> Two wrongs don't make a right!

>>

>> First wild beavers for 500 years

>>

>> Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

>> Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were

>> hunted to extinction for their fur.

>> Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

>> South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in

>> the UK for centuries.

>>

>> The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have

>> spent the last few months in quarantine.

>>

>> If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once

>> again thrive in the British countryside.

>>

>> Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

>> with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled

>> in so they can roam freely.

>>

>> The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

>> relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

>>

>> Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

>> say the European species should be a force for good in the

>> countryside.

>>

>> It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and

>> the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

>>

>> To send an email to -

>>

October 27, 2005

I believe you need a license or some such loophole, and need to be a registered gamekeeper/pest controller, otherwise its the same as hunting.

I welcome the return of the beaver, and see it as another peice of the eco system returned......................and they are vegan!

The Valley Vegan...........fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

beavers aren't native to the yosemite valley(tho, never heard they were european beavers)beavers are native to the UK..they were just hunted out of existence...is trapping legal in the UK?heartwerk Oct 27, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!That seems like another good reason for Britain not to introduce them :-)Jo , "Lynda" wrote:>> It would be nice if they went to Yosemite and took the Europeanbeavers that > they let loose there and took them back to Europe! They are extremely > destructive!> > Lynda> - > "fraggle" > To:

> Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:13 AM> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!> > > >u don't want em bringin beavers back?> >> > > > heartwerk > > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM> > > > Two wrongs don't make a right!> >> > First wild beavers for 500 years> >> > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur> > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were> > hunted to extinction for their fur.> > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near> > South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in> > the UK for centuries.> >> > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in

the spring and have> > spent the last few months in quarantine.> >> > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once> > again thrive in the British countryside.> >> > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start> > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled> > in so they can roam freely.> >> > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-> > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.> >> > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists> > say the European species should be a force for good in the> > countryside.> >> > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and> > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > >

October 27, 2005

the lil buggers are at that...

well...if the beavers are returned..you can't really hunt em....

be like hunting a dolphin.... peter hurd Oct 27, 2005 11:46 AM Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

I believe you need a license or some such loophole, and need to be a registered gamekeeper/pest controller, otherwise its the same as hunting.

I welcome the return of the beaver, and see it as another peice of the eco system returned......................and they are vegan!

But they've all gone mad now

Well you'd be pretty mad too

If what happened to cows happened to you

Having your children taken away

Forced to stand in a pen each day

Fed the shit from other dead things

Then chopped to bits...

October 27, 2005

It was on t.v. a couple of nights ago. They did a special on Yosemite. I

knew they were doing alot of damage and a lot of the CC kids were going

around fencing off trees to protect them. Just didn't know that they

imported the beavers from Europe.

Lynda

-

" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:19 AM

Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> beavers aren't native to the yosemite valley(tho, never heard they were

> european beavers)

> beavers are native to the UK..

> they were just hunted out of existence...

>

> is trapping legal in the UK?

October 27, 2005

thats just plain weird

why the heck would they import em from europe, where there are less then a

quarter million all told, when you can go 60 miles and find native beavers

here...

Lynda <lurine

Oct 27, 2005 11:52 AM

Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

It was on t.v. a couple of nights ago. They did a special on Yosemite. I

knew they were doing alot of damage and a lot of the CC kids were going

around fencing off trees to protect them. Just didn't know that they

imported the beavers from Europe.

Lynda

-----

But they've all gone mad now

Well you'd be pretty mad too

If what happened to cows happened to you

Having your children taken away

Forced to stand in a pen each day

Fed the shit from other dead things

Then chopped to bits...

October 27, 2005

It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person has

released them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are rather

cross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it has not

been okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.

Jo

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> but beavers are part of the natural environment there

> they are jsut bringing back something that existed there fer

thousands of years

> in the grand scheme of things, 500 yrs is nuthin...

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 27, 2005 11:01 AM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> Hi Fraggle

>

> They've been gone a long time. Reintroducing them will upset the

> wildlife systems that are now there.

>

> Another thought is - they have just banned fox-hunting, and they used

> to hunt beavers - maybe the thought is that when the beavers multiply

> they will 'have to keep the numbers down' by hunting them.

>

> I really cannot see any good reason for reintroducing them - not that

> I have anything against beavers :-) Incidentally I think it was wrong

> to kidnap them from somewhere else, just to move them to another

country.

>

> BB

> Jo

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> >

> > u don't want em bringin beavers back?

> >

> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

> >

> > Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> > First wild beavers for 500 years

> >

> > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

> > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were

> > hunted to extinction for their fur.

> > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

> > South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in

> > the UK for centuries.

> >

> > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have

> > spent the last few months in quarantine.

> >

> > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once

> > again thrive in the British countryside.

> >

> > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

> > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have settled

> > in so they can roam freely.

> >

> > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

> > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

> >

> > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

> > say the European species should be a force for good in the

> > countryside.

> >

> > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and

> > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

> >

> > To send an email to

-

> >

October 27, 2005

I don't know Fraggle - but it does go on, even around here. We have

occasionally found dead trapped animals.

Jo

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> beavers aren't native to the yosemite valley(tho, never heard they

were european beavers)

> beavers are native to the UK..

> they were just hunted out of existence...

>

> is trapping legal in the UK?

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 27, 2005 11:02 AM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> That seems like another good reason for Britain not to introduce

them :-)

>

> Jo

>

> , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> >

> > It would be nice if they went to Yosemite and took the European

> beavers that

> > they let loose there and took them back to Europe! They are

extremely

> > destructive!

> >

> > Lynda

> > -

> > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...>

> >

> > Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:13 AM

> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> > >u don't want em bringin beavers back?

> > >

> > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

> > >

> > > Two wrongs don't make a right!

> > >

> > > First wild beavers for 500 years

> > >

> > > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

> > > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were

> > > hunted to extinction for their fur.

> > > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

> > > South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in

> > > the UK for centuries.

> > >

> > > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have

> > > spent the last few months in quarantine.

> > >

> > > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once

> > > again thrive in the British countryside.

> > >

> > > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

> > > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have

settled

> > > in so they can roam freely.

> > >

> > > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

> > > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

> > >

> > > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

> > > say the European species should be a force for good in the

> > > countryside.

> > >

> > > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and

> > > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

> > >

> > > To send an email to

-

> > >

October 27, 2005

The ones the chap shipped here were from Romania apparently.

Jo

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> thats just plain weird

> why the heck would they import em from europe, where there are less

then a quarter million all told, when you can go 60 miles and find

native beavers here...

>

> Lynda <lurine@s...>

> Oct 27, 2005 11:52 AM

>

> Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> It was on t.v. a couple of nights ago. They did a special on

Yosemite. I

> knew they were doing alot of damage and a lot of the CC kids were going

> around fencing off trees to protect them. Just didn't know that they

> imported the beavers from Europe.

>

> Lynda

> -----

>

> But they've all gone mad now

> Well you'd be pretty mad too

> If what happened to cows happened to you

> Having your children taken away

> Forced to stand in a pen each day

> Fed the shit from other dead things

> Then chopped to bits...

>

October 27, 2005

hmm

sorry

i still don;t see wot the big deal is..

they are native to the UK..

its not like they are bringin in dingoes er lions er something (bacchus knows

you've got enough escaped big cats wandering around yer isle)

but..whichever...

fraggle

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 27, 2005 2:43 PM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person has

released them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are rather

cross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it has not

been okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.

Jo

---

But they've all gone mad now

Well you'd be pretty mad too

If what happened to cows happened to you

Having your children taken away

Forced to stand in a pen each day

Fed the shit from other dead things

Then chopped to bits...

October 27, 2005

leghold er conibear traps?

(conibear are the icky ones they swin thru)

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 27, 2005 2:45 PM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

I don't know Fraggle - but it does go on, even around here. We have

occasionally found dead trapped animals.

Jo

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> beavers aren't native to the yosemite valley(tho, never heard they

were european beavers)

> beavers are native to the UK..

> they were just hunted out of existence...

>

> is trapping legal in the UK?

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 27, 2005 11:02 AM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> That seems like another good reason for Britain not to introduce

them :-)

>

> Jo

>

> , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> >

> > It would be nice if they went to Yosemite and took the European

> beavers that

> > they let loose there and took them back to Europe! They are

extremely

> > destructive!

> >

> > Lynda

> > -

> > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...>

> >

> > Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:13 AM

> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> > >u don't want em bringin beavers back?

> > >

> > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

> > >

> > > Two wrongs don't make a right!

> > >

> > > First wild beavers for 500 years

> > >

> > > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

> > > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they were

> > > hunted to extinction for their fur.

> > > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

> > > South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam wild in

> > > the UK for centuries.

> > >

> > > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and have

> > > spent the last few months in quarantine.

> > >

> > > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers can once

> > > again thrive in the British countryside.

> > >

> > > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

> > > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have

settled

> > > in so they can roam freely.

> > >

> > > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

> > > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

> > >

> > > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

> > > say the European species should be a force for good in the

> > > countryside.

> > >

> > > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in rivers and

> > > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

> > >

> > > To send an email to

-

> > >

October 27, 2005

i'm still lost on the fact that someone would import beavers from europe to

yosemite..

they aren't even the same species as our beaver...

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 27, 2005 2:50 PM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

The ones the chap shipped here were from Romania apparently.

Jo

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> thats just plain weird

> why the heck would they import em from europe, where there are less

then a quarter million all told, when you can go 60 miles and find

native beavers here...

>

I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can still do

something; and because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the

something that I can do.

October 27, 2005

There may not be a big deal - but it may interfere with the other

wildlife here already - maybe there will be less food for them or

fewer places to build there homes (if beavers build homes). I am sure

it will have some effect. If what Lynda says is correct then they may

also devestate our trees.

Whether there will be a problem or not it seems very unfair of this

chap to decide that he will buy wild animals from Romania, put them in

quarantine for six months and then put them out in the wild.

Jo

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> hmm

> sorry

> i still don;t see wot the big deal is..

> they are native to the UK..

> its not like they are bringin in dingoes er lions er something

(bacchus knows you've got enough escaped big cats wandering around yer

isle)

> but..whichever...

> fraggle

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 27, 2005 2:43 PM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person has

> released them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are rather

> cross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it has not

> been okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.

>

> Jo

>

> ---

>

> But they've all gone mad now

> Well you'd be pretty mad too

> If what happened to cows happened to you

> Having your children taken away

> Forced to stand in a pen each day

> Fed the shit from other dead things

> Then chopped to bits...

>

October 27, 2005

Not the leghold ones. When we first moved here 30 years ago, we were

digging up the end of the garden and there was a cache of rusty

leghold traps and other contraptions buried up there. It was like a

torture chamber!

Jo

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> leghold er conibear traps?

> (conibear are the icky ones they swin thru)

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 27, 2005 2:45 PM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> I don't know Fraggle - but it does go on, even around here. We have

> occasionally found dead trapped animals.

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> >

> > beavers aren't native to the yosemite valley(tho, never heard they

> were european beavers)

> > beavers are native to the UK..

> > they were just hunted out of existence...

> >

> > is trapping legal in the UK?

> >

> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > Oct 27, 2005 11:02 AM

> >

> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> > That seems like another good reason for Britain not to introduce

> them :-)

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > > It would be nice if they went to Yosemite and took the European

> > beavers that

> > > they let loose there and took them back to Europe! They are

> extremely

> > > destructive!

> > >

> > > Lynda

> > > -

> > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...>

> > >

> > > Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:13 AM

> > > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> > >

> > > >u don't want em bringin beavers back?

> > > >

> > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > > > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

> > > >

> > > > Two wrongs don't make a right!

> > > >

> > > > First wild beavers for 500 years

> > > >

> > > > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

> > > > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they

were

> > > > hunted to extinction for their fur.

> > > > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

> > > > South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam

wild in

> > > > the UK for centuries.

> > > >

> > > > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and

have

> > > > spent the last few months in quarantine.

> > > >

> > > > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers

can once

> > > > again thrive in the British countryside.

> > > >

> > > > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

> > > > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have

> settled

> > > > in so they can roam freely.

> > > >

> > > > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

> > > > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

> > > >

> > > > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

> > > > say the European species should be a force for good in the

> > > > countryside.

> > > >

> > > > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in

rivers and

> > > > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

> > > >

> > > > To send an email to

> -

> > > >

October 27, 2005

but how would they interfere

they are part of the natural environment of the UK

there use to be beavers there

hence, since they are exterminated, part of the web is missing....

beavers do kill trees, but, they encourage second growth of forests, and when

they build dams(apparantly yer european beaver ain;t as dam happy as ours are)

they create new habitats for a large number of species

plus, i read some study where beavers are responsible fer the spread of alders

across the Uk...

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 27, 2005 2:59 PM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

There may not be a big deal - but it may interfere with the other

wildlife here already - maybe there will be less food for them or

fewer places to build there homes (if beavers build homes). I am sure

it will have some effect. If what Lynda says is correct then they may

also devestate our trees.

Whether there will be a problem or not it seems very unfair of this

chap to decide that he will buy wild animals from Romania, put them in

quarantine for six months and then put them out in the wild.

Jo

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> hmm

> sorry

> i still don;t see wot the big deal is..

> they are native to the UK..

> its not like they are bringin in dingoes er lions er something

(bacchus knows you've got enough escaped big cats wandering around yer

isle)

> but..whichever...

> fraggle

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 27, 2005 2:43 PM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> It seems they shouldn't have been released anyway. A person has

> released them into an enclosed area on his land. DEFRA are rather

> cross because they could escape and breed in the wild, and it has not

> been okayed by them - so it seems that this is one man's whim.

>

> Jo

>

> ---

>

> But they've all gone mad now

> Well you'd be pretty mad too

> If what happened to cows happened to you

> Having your children taken away

> Forced to stand in a pen each day

> Fed the shit from other dead things

> Then chopped to bits...

>

To send an email to -

October 27, 2005

then the square ones...conibears....

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 27, 2005 3:01 PM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

Not the leghold ones. When we first moved here 30 years ago, we were

digging up the end of the garden and there was a cache of rusty

leghold traps and other contraptions buried up there. It was like a

torture chamber!

Jo

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> leghold er conibear traps?

> (conibear are the icky ones they swin thru)

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 27, 2005 2:45 PM

>

> Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>

> I don't know Fraggle - but it does go on, even around here. We have

> occasionally found dead trapped animals.

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> >

> > beavers aren't native to the yosemite valley(tho, never heard they

> were european beavers)

> > beavers are native to the UK..

> > they were just hunted out of existence...

> >

> > is trapping legal in the UK?

> >

> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > Oct 27, 2005 11:02 AM

> >

> > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> >

> > That seems like another good reason for Britain not to introduce

> them :-)

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > > It would be nice if they went to Yosemite and took the European

> > beavers that

> > > they let loose there and took them back to Europe! They are

> extremely

> > > destructive!

> > >

> > > Lynda

> > > -

> > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...>

> > >

> > > Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:13 AM

> > > Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> > >

> > > >u don't want em bringin beavers back?

> > > >

> > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > > > Oct 26, 2005 11:47 PM

> > > >

> > > > Two wrongs don't make a right!

> > > >

> > > > First wild beavers for 500 years

> > > >

> > > > Beavers were hunted to extinction for their fur

> > > > Beavers are being reintroduced to the UK, 500 years after they

were

> > > > hunted to extinction for their fur.

> > > > Six European beavers are to be released at Lower Mill Estate near

> > > > South Cerney, Gloucestershire, and will be the first to roam

wild in

> > > > the UK for centuries.

> > > >

> > > > The six adult rodents were caught in Bavaria in the spring and

have

> > > > spent the last few months in quarantine.

> > > >

> > > > If the pioneering scheme is successful, it is hoped beavers

can once

> > > > again thrive in the British countryside.

> > > >

> > > > Although the animals will be confined to a 500-acre site to start

> > > > with, experts hope to remove the fences once the beavers have

> settled

> > > > in so they can roam freely.

> > > >

> > > > The beaver was hunted to extinction for its fur and the pain-

> > > > relieving properties of its anal gland secretions.

> > > >

> > > > Whereas, the American beaver can be destructive, environmentalists

> > > > say the European species should be a force for good in the

> > > > countryside.

> > > >

> > > > It is vegetarian so it should not deplete fish stocks in

rivers and

> > > > the beavers could also help keep waterways clear of debris

> > > >

> > > > To send an email to

> -

> > > >

October 27, 2005

The Castor canadensis were introduced in CA, Fraggle. They are native to

Canada, Oregon and the East Coast.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/hcpb/species/nuis_exo/exo_spp.shtml

They introduced beavers, according to the park rangers, to Yosemite, for

some reason way back when and now they are doing extensive damage.

Lynda

-

" heartwerk " <jo.heartwork

Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:50 PM

Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

> The ones the chap shipped here were from Romania apparently.

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>>

>> thats just plain weird

>> why the heck would they import em from europe, where there are less

> then a quarter million all told, when you can go 60 miles and find

> native beavers here...

>>

>> Lynda <lurine@s...>

>> Oct 27, 2005 11:52 AM

>>

>> Re: Re: Two wrongs don't make a right!

>>

>> It was on t.v. a couple of nights ago. They did a special on

> Yosemite. I

>> knew they were doing alot of damage and a lot of the CC kids were going

>> around fencing off trees to protect them. Just didn't know that they

>> imported the beavers from Europe.

>>

>> Lynda

>> -----

>>

>> But they've all gone mad now

>> Well you'd be pretty mad too

>> If what happened to cows happened to you

>> Having your children taken away

>> Forced to stand in a pen each day

>> Fed the shit from other dead things

>> Then chopped to bits...

>>

>

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