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It seems to me I remember hearing something a while back that caffeine blocks absorbsion of vit c. Do you know if that is valid?heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

Hi JOnnieActually ...... it is said that dark chocolate (vegan variety) with 70% cocoa in it is good for the heart and arteries. In the milk variety, the milk is bad for them. Coffee is not good for arteries at all. The caffeine contained in coffee makes the arteries go quite stiff for about six hours after drinking a cup - so if your arteries are narrowed through inflammation (lack of vitamin C) and you do something that can make them go stiff for a while you could be in for trouble.BBJo , Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens> wrote:> Thanks Jo! Reading about the anit-inflammatory diet is what started me on the road to becomming a veggie. I've given up most everything that I've heard to be an issue, but I won't give up my morning

Joe. I even rarely have chocolate, but coffee won because of all the sat fat in chocolate. I love good coffee. > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:LOL - you probably don't need an anti-inflammatory diet, so don't panic> !> > Jo> - > peter hurd > > Friday, September 30, 2005 9:46 PM> Re: Can anyone help me please:)> > > Well, I drink decaf, but hell no alcohol! please, no dont take my alcohol. I `m glad Frag wasnt here to see it, Id imagine his hair falling out ( if he wasnt bald)> > The Valley Vegan.............> Fel iar glwc Miserable > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:> Hi Jonnie> > I have this article saved on my pc because I think inflammation causes so

many diseases. > > Guidelines for an Anti-Inflammatory Lifestyle> Jacob Farin, N.D.> > > The main reason people seek a physician's advice is for pain relief.> Although there are numerous botanical and nutritional treatments to> reduce pain and inflammation, the main naturopathic defenses are foods.> By paying attention to the foods that we eat, we can reduce the> occurrence of pain and inflammation. Mark, who came to me for treatment> of ulcerative colitis, experienced significant improvement when he> followed this outline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle. Within 3> months, he was nearly symptom free and was able to treat himself to a> day of indulgence at his daughter's wedding. Best of all, he experienced> no ill effect.> > 1. Eliminate pro-inflammatory foods> > Red Meats and Peanuts: These foods contain high levels of

arachidonic> acid, a type of fatty acid that converts into inflammatory mediators.> Removing these foods from the diet decreases the levels of arachidonic> acid in the body and reduces the occurrence of inflammation.> > Caffeine, fried foods, carbonated drinks, alcohol: These foods greatly> increase oxidation and free radicals, both of which initiate the> inflammatory process, and makes one prone towards inflammation.> > Food allergies: Foods that do not agree with us can produce metabolites> that interfere with normal bodily function and impair expedient healing> of inflamed tissues. Many people experience long-term relief of pain> with the simple elimination of food allergens such as wheat and dairy,> especially those with long-term intestinal disorders.> > 2. Implement a plant-based diet> > Vegetables and fruits: These foods are rich

in carotenoids and> bioflavonoids that are powerful antioxidants, preventing free radical> production and reducing the occurrence of inflammation. The more richly> colored the fruit or vegetable, the more antioxidants it contains. Make> sure every meal contains a healthy serving of fruits or vegetables> > Cold water fish: Salmon, halibut, mackerel, tuna, trout and other cold> water fish contain lots of omega-3 fatty acids. These fatty acids offset> the production of arachidonic acid, as well as favor the production of> mediators that inhibit inflammation. Eat at least 3 servings of fish> every week.> > Flax oil: This is rich in omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids which work> similarly to fish oils to help reduce inflammation. Use it in salads or> in fruit smoothies, but never cook with it because of its strong> tendency towards being oxidized.>

> Ginger: Ginger has been shown to be a powerful anti-inflammatory agent.> Use it freely in your cooking or make a tea with it. It also helps> reduce nausea and some forms of abdominal distress.> > Whole grains, legumes, soy products: These foods are great sources for> protein without the pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid. Skinless chicken> breasts may also be added since most of the fat is found in the skin.> > 3. Nutritional supplements> > Correct nutritional deficiencies: Nutritional deficiencies can> exacerbate pain and inflammation by slowing down the healing process of> injured tissues. It is well established that deficiencies in zinc and> vitamins C and A can delay wound healing. Deficiencies in minerals, such> as calcium and magnesium, can also aggravate muscular pain.> > Antioxidants: Powerful antioxidants include vitamins A, C

and E,> carotenoids and bioflavonoids, along with selenium and glutathione.> > 4. Move that body!> > Exercise: Not only is exercise a great way to relieve stress and> tension, but it promotes circulation, allowing vital nutrients to> diffuse throughout the body, while flushing out metabolic waste.> Exercise does not have to be strenuous. Daily walking or yoga is> adequate enough to get the blood moving.> > Let this guideline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle be a part of your> natural management for pain and inflammation.> > > Peter H > > > > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. > > To send an email to - > > > >

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They are now researching all meds and grapefruit interactions my pharmacist said. He advised not eating or drinking grapefruit/juice unless your meds are one of the ones already tested because they are finding that over half the ones they test have some reaction or interaction.

 

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Thanks! My doc actually had something posted on her bulletin board a long, long time ago, so I was aware of it then. You would think the pharmacys would warn you or something, huh?

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Hi Jonnie

 

I've not heard that, but it may be that as it has caffeine it makes everything go through the body more quickly.

 

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It seems to me I remember hearing something a while back that caffeine blocks absorbsion of vit c. Do you know if that is valid?heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi JOnnieActually ...... it is said that dark chocolate (vegan variety) with 70% cocoa in it is good for the heart and arteries. In the milk variety, the milk is bad for them. Coffee is not good for arteries at all. The caffeine contained in coffee makes the arteries go quite stiff for about six hours after drinking a cup - so if your arteries are narrowed through inflammation (lack of vitamin C) and you do something that can make them go stiff for a while you could be in for trouble.BBJo , Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens> wrote:> Thanks Jo! Reading about the anit-inflammatory diet is what started me on the road to becomming a veggie. I've given up most everything that I've heard to be an issue, but I won't give up my morning Joe. I even rarely have chocolate, but coffee won because of all the sat fat in chocolate. I love good coffee. > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:LOL - you probably don't need an anti-inflammatory diet, so don't panic> !> > Jo> - > peter hurd > > Friday, September 30, 2005 9:46 PM> Re: Can anyone help me please:)> > > Well, I drink decaf, but hell no alcohol! please, no dont take my alcohol. I `m glad Frag wasnt here to see it, Id imagine his hair falling out ( if he wasnt bald)> > The Valley Vegan.............> Fel iar glwc Miserable > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:> Hi Jonnie> > I have this article saved on my pc because I think inflammation causes so many diseases. > > Guidelines for an Anti-Inflammatory Lifestyle> Jacob Farin, N.D.> > > The main reason people seek a physician's advice is for pain relief.> Although there are numerous botanical and nutritional treatments to> reduce pain and inflammation, the main naturopathic defenses are foods.> By paying attention to the foods that we eat, we can reduce the> occurrence of pain and inflammation. Mark, who came to me for treatment> of ulcerative colitis, experienced significant improvement when he> followed this outline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle. Within 3> months, he was nearly symptom free and was able to treat himself to a> day of indulgence at his daughter's wedding. Best of all, he experienced> no ill effect.> > 1. Eliminate pro-inflammatory foods> > Red Meats and Peanuts: These foods contain high levels of arachidonic> acid, a type of fatty acid that converts into inflammatory mediators.> Removing these foods from the diet decreases the levels of arachidonic> acid in the body and reduces the occurrence of inflammation.> > Caffeine, fried foods, carbonated drinks, alcohol: These foods greatly> increase oxidation and free radicals, both of which initiate the> inflammatory process, and makes one prone towards inflammation.> > Food allergies: Foods that do not agree with us can produce metabolites> that interfere with normal bodily function and impair expedient healing> of inflamed tissues. Many people experience long-term relief of pain> with the simple elimination of food allergens such as wheat and dairy,> especially those with long-term intestinal disorders.> > 2. Implement a plant-based diet> > Vegetables and fruits: These foods are rich in carotenoids and> bioflavonoids that are powerful antioxidants, preventing free radical> production and reducing the occurrence of inflammation. The more richly> colored the fruit or vegetable, the more antioxidants it contains. Make> sure every meal contains a healthy serving of fruits or vegetables> > Cold water fish: Salmon, halibut, mackerel, tuna, trout and other cold> water fish contain lots of omega-3 fatty acids. These fatty acids offset> the production of arachidonic acid, as well as favor the production of> mediators that inhibit inflammation. Eat at least 3 servings of fish> every week.> > Flax oil: This is rich in omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids which work> similarly to fish oils to help reduce inflammation. Use it in salads or> in fruit smoothies, but never cook with it because of its strong> tendency towards being oxidized.> > Ginger: Ginger has been shown to be a powerful anti-inflammatory agent.> Use it freely in your cooking or make a tea with it. It also helps> reduce nausea and some forms of abdominal distress.> > Whole grains, legumes, soy products: These foods are great sources for> protein without the pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid. Skinless chicken> breasts may also be added since most of the fat is found in the skin.> > 3. Nutritional supplements> > Correct nutritional deficiencies: Nutritional deficiencies can> exacerbate pain and inflammation by slowing down the healing process of> injured tissues. It is well established that deficiencies in zinc and> vitamins C and A can delay wound healing. Deficiencies in minerals, such> as calcium and magnesium, can also aggravate muscular pain.> > Antioxidants: Powerful antioxidants include vitamins A, C and E,> carotenoids and bioflavonoids, along with selenium and glutathione.> > 4. Move that body!> > Exercise: Not only is exercise a great way to relieve stress and> tension, but it promotes circulation, allowing vital nutrients to> diffuse throughout the body, while flushing out metabolic waste.> Exercise does not have to be strenuous. Daily walking or yoga is> adequate enough to get the blood moving.> > Let this guideline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle be a part of your> natural management for pain and inflammation.> > > Peter H > > > > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. > > To send an email to - > > > >

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Ut oh, next thing you know, you'll not only be bald, but very pale and dragging out all your s's..., climbing up the side of caves....fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

oh gawd my eyes!! my eyes!!!!!!!!!!!

it burns me it doessssssssssssssssssssssssssss Jonnie Hellens Oct 6, 2005 11:12 AM Re: Re: Can anyone help me please:)

I was drinking a glass or two most days and really enjoyed it, but found that I was having problems with it and my meds. And sorry to say this (fraggle cover your ears) beer was starting to make me very ill. After the last glass I had (and yes, it was only *part* of one glass), I haven't been interested in any alcohol since. heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Thanks for the info - it sounds like a good excuse for me to eat some chocolate after dinner (I don't drink wine).Jo , ank_art <ank_art> wrote:> > here's a healthy reason to eat more chocolate --- Lindt has a fantastic 80% cocoa bar if you like semi-sweet...mmm-mmm ;)> > Eating 2 ounces (50 grams) a day of plain chocolate with a minimum content of 70% chocolate solids can be beneficial to health, providing protection against heart disease, high blood pressure, and many other health hazards as well as essential trace elements and nutrients such as iron, calcium and potassium, and vitamins A. B1, C, D, and E and it's a lot tastier than boring old vitamin pills too. A 1 1/2-ounce square of chocolate may have as many cancer-fighting antioxidants as a five-ounce

glass of red wine.> > andrea> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:Hi JOnnie> > Actually ...... it is said that dark chocolate (vegan variety) with > 70% cocoa in it is good for the heart and arteries. In the milk > variety, the milk is bad for them. Coffee is not good for arteries > at all. The caffeine contained in coffee makes the arteries go quite > stiff for about six hours after drinking a cup - so if your arteries > are narrowed through inflammation (lack of vitamin C) and you do > something that can make them go stiff for a while you could be in for > trouble.> > BB> Jo> > , Jonnie Hellens > <jonnie_hellens> wrote:> > Thanks Jo! Reading about the anit-inflammatory diet is what > started me on the road to becomming a veggie. I've given

up most > everything that I've heard to be an issue, but I won't give up my > morning Joe. I even rarely have chocolate, but coffee won because of > all the sat fat in chocolate. I love good coffee. > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:LOL - you probably don't need an > anti-inflammatory diet, so don't panic> > !> > > > Jo> > - > > peter hurd > > > > Friday, September 30, 2005 9:46 PM> > Re: Can anyone help me please:)> > > > > > Well, I drink decaf, but hell no alcohol! please, no dont take my > alcohol. I `m glad Frag wasnt here to see it, Id imagine his hair > falling out ( if he wasnt bald)> > > > The Valley Vegan.............> > Fel iar

glwc Miserable > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:> > Hi Jonnie> > > > I have this article saved on my pc because I think inflammation > causes so many diseases. > > > > Guidelines for an Anti-Inflammatory Lifestyle> > Jacob Farin, N.D.> > > > > > The main reason people seek a physician's advice is for pain relief.> > Although there are numerous botanical and nutritional treatments to> > reduce pain and inflammation, the main naturopathic defenses are > foods.> > By paying attention to the foods that we eat, we can reduce the> > occurrence of pain and inflammation. Mark, who came to me for > treatment> > of ulcerative colitis, experienced significant improvement when he> > followed this outline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle.

Within 3> > months, he was nearly symptom free and was able to treat himself to > a> > day of indulgence at his daughter's wedding. Best of all, he > experienced> > no ill effect.> > > > 1. Eliminate pro-inflammatory foods> > > > Red Meats and Peanuts: These foods contain high levels of > arachidonic> > acid, a type of fatty acid that converts into inflammatory > mediators.> > Removing these foods from the diet decreases the levels of > arachidonic> > acid in the body and reduces the occurrence of inflammation.> > > > Caffeine, fried foods, carbonated drinks, alcohol: These foods > greatly> > increase oxidation and free radicals, both of which initiate the> > inflammatory process, and makes one prone towards inflammation.> > > > Food allergies: Foods that do not agree with us can

produce > metabolites> > that interfere with normal bodily function and impair expedient > healing> > of inflamed tissues. Many people experience long-term relief of pain> > with the simple elimination of food allergens such as wheat and > dairy,> > especially those with long-term intestinal disorders.> > > > 2. Implement a plant-based diet> > > > Vegetables and fruits: These foods are rich in carotenoids and> > bioflavonoids that are powerful antioxidants, preventing free > radical> > production and reducing the occurrence of inflammation. The more > richly> > colored the fruit or vegetable, the more antioxidants it contains. > Make> > sure every meal contains a healthy serving of fruits or vegetables> > > > Cold water fish: Salmon, halibut, mackerel, tuna, trout and other > cold>

> water fish contain lots of omega-3 fatty acids. These fatty acids > offset> > the production of arachidonic acid, as well as favor the production > of> > mediators that inhibit inflammation. Eat at least 3 servings of fish> > every week.> > > > Flax oil: This is rich in omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids which work> > similarly to fish oils to help reduce inflammation. Use it in > salads or> > in fruit smoothies, but never cook with it because of its strong> > tendency towards being oxidized.> > > > Ginger: Ginger has been shown to be a powerful anti-inflammatory > agent.> > Use it freely in your cooking or make a tea with it. It also helps> > reduce nausea and some forms of abdominal distress.> > > > Whole grains, legumes, soy products: These foods are great sources > for> > protein

without the pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid. Skinless > chicken> > breasts may also be added since most of the fat is found in the > skin.> > > > 3. Nutritional supplements> > > > Correct nutritional deficiencies: Nutritional deficiencies can> > exacerbate pain and inflammation by slowing down the healing > process of> > injured tissues. It is well established that deficiencies in zinc > and> > vitamins C and A can delay wound healing. Deficiencies in minerals, > such> > as calcium and magnesium, can also aggravate muscular pain.> > > > Antioxidants: Powerful antioxidants include vitamins A, C and E,> > carotenoids and bioflavonoids, along with selenium and glutathione.> > > > 4. Move that body!> > > > Exercise: Not only is exercise a great way to relieve stress and> >

tension, but it promotes circulation, allowing vital nutrients to> > diffuse throughout the body, while flushing out metabolic waste.> > Exercise does not have to be strenuous. Daily walking or yoga is> > adequate enough to get the blood moving.> > > > Let this guideline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle be a part of > your> > natural management for pain and inflammation.> > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all > new Security Centre. > > > > To send an email to -> > > > > > > > >

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I've heard that the chemicals used to decaf it are bad news. Does anyone have any input on this?heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

Hi JonnieHave you tried decaffeinated coffee?Jo , Jonnie Hellens<jonnie_hellens> wrote:> Oh no! Give up my yummy coffee? Boo hoo.... Makes one kindawonder, which is better? Living longer or living a shorter lifefilled with the 'good' things? Hmmm... quality or quantity?> > ank_art <ank_art> wrote:> here's a healthy reason to eat more chocolate --- Lindt has afantastic 80% cocoa bar if you like semi-sweet...mmm-mmm ;)> > Eating 2 ounces (50 grams) a day of plain chocolate with a minimumcontent of 70% chocolate solids can be beneficial to health, providingprotection against heart disease, high blood pressure, and many otherhealth hazards as well as essential trace elements and nutrients suchas iron, calcium

and potassium, and vitamins A. B1, C, D, and E andit's a lot tastier than boring old vitamin pills too. A 1 1/2-ouncesquare of chocolate may have as many cancer-fighting antioxidants as afive-ounce glass of red wine.> > andrea> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: Hi JOnnie> > Actually ...... it is said that dark chocolate (vegan variety) with > 70% cocoa in it is good for the heart and arteries. In the milk > variety, the milk is bad for them. Coffee is not good for arteries > at all. The caffeine contained in coffee makes the arteries go quite > stiff for about six hours after drinking a cup - so if your arteries > are narrowed through inflammation (lack of vitamin C) and you do > something that can make them go stiff for a while you could be in for > trouble.> > BB> Jo> > ,

Jonnie Hellens > <jonnie_hellens> wrote:> > Thanks Jo! Reading about the anit-inflammatory diet is what > started me on the road to becomming a veggie. I've given up most > everything that I've heard to be an issue, but I won't give up my > morning Joe. I even rarely have chocolate, but coffee won because of > all the sat fat in chocolate. I love good coffee. > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:LOL - you probably don't need an > anti-inflammatory diet, so don't panic> > !> > > > Jo> > - > > peter hurd > > > > Friday, September 30, 2005 9:46 PM> > Re: Can anyone help me please:)> > > > > > Well, I drink decaf, but hell no alcohol! please, no dont take my

> alcohol. I `m glad Frag wasnt here to see it, Id imagine his hair > falling out ( if he wasnt bald)> > > > The Valley Vegan.............> > Fel iar glwc Miserable > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:> > Hi Jonnie> > > > I have this article saved on my pc because I think inflammation > causes so many diseases. > > > > Guidelines for an Anti-Inflammatory Lifestyle> > Jacob Farin, N.D.> > > > > > The main reason people seek a physician's advice is for pain relief.> > Although there are numerous botanical and nutritional treatments to> > reduce pain and inflammation, the main naturopathic defenses are > foods.> > By paying attention to the foods that we eat, we can reduce the> > occurrence of pain and inflammation. Mark,

who came to me for > treatment> > of ulcerative colitis, experienced significant improvement when he> > followed this outline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle. Within 3> > months, he was nearly symptom free and was able to treat himself to > a> > day of indulgence at his daughter's wedding. Best of all, he > experienced> > no ill effect.> > > > 1. Eliminate pro-inflammatory foods> > > > Red Meats and Peanuts: These foods contain high levels of > arachidonic> > acid, a type of fatty acid that converts into inflammatory > mediators.> > Removing these foods from the diet decreases the levels of > arachidonic> > acid in the body and reduces the occurrence of inflammation.> > > > Caffeine, fried foods, carbonated drinks, alcohol: These foods > greatly> > increase oxidation and free

radicals, both of which initiate the> > inflammatory process, and makes one prone towards inflammation.> > > > Food allergies: Foods that do not agree with us can produce > metabolites> > that interfere with normal bodily function and impair expedient > healing> > of inflamed tissues. Many people experience long-term relief of pain> > with the simple elimination of food allergens such as wheat and > dairy,> > especially those with long-term intestinal disorders.> > > > 2. Implement a plant-based diet> > > > Vegetables and fruits: These foods are rich in carotenoids and> > bioflavonoids that are powerful antioxidants, preventing free > radical> > production and reducing the occurrence of inflammation. The more > richly> > colored the fruit or vegetable, the more antioxidants it contains. > Make>

> sure every meal contains a healthy serving of fruits or vegetables> > > > Cold water fish: Salmon, halibut, mackerel, tuna, trout and other > cold> > water fish contain lots of omega-3 fatty acids. These fatty acids > offset> > the production of arachidonic acid, as well as favor the production > of> > mediators that inhibit inflammation. Eat at least 3 servings of fish> > every week.> > > > Flax oil: This is rich in omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids which work> > similarly to fish oils to help reduce inflammation. Use it in > salads or> > in fruit smoothies, but never cook with it because of its strong> > tendency towards being oxidized.> > > > Ginger: Ginger has been shown to be a powerful anti-inflammatory > agent.> > Use it freely in your cooking or make a tea with it. It also helps> > reduce

nausea and some forms of abdominal distress.> > > > Whole grains, legumes, soy products: These foods are great sources > for> > protein without the pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid. Skinless > chicken> > breasts may also be added since most of the fat is found in the > skin.> > > > 3. Nutritional supplements> > > > Correct nutritional deficiencies: Nutritional deficiencies can> > exacerbate pain and inflammation by slowing down the healing > process of> > injured tissues. It is well established that deficiencies in zinc > and> > vitamins C and A can delay wound healing. Deficiencies in minerals, > such> > as calcium and magnesium, can also aggravate muscular pain.> > > > Antioxidants: Powerful antioxidants include vitamins A, C and E,> > carotenoids and bioflavonoids, along with selenium and

glutathione.> > > > 4. Move that body!> > > > Exercise: Not only is exercise a great way to relieve stress and> > tension, but it promotes circulation, allowing vital nutrients to> > diffuse throughout the body, while flushing out metabolic waste.> > Exercise does not have to be strenuous. Daily walking or yoga is> > adequate enough to get the blood moving.> > > > Let this guideline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle be a part of > your> > natural management for pain and inflammation.> > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all > new Security Centre. > > > > To send an email to -> > > >

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I think there are two methods of decafinating, the chemical way or the swiss water way ( whatever that is?)

try this on for size, next time you drink some decaf see if you can taste carbon, or triglycerides or some other solvent!

http://www.worldwidemart.com/choice/decaf.html

 

I`ve waffled enough...............HELP FRAGGLE

 

The Valley Vegan..........Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens wrote:

 

I've heard that the chemicals used to decaf it are bad news. Does anyone have any input on this?heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi JonnieHave you tried decaffeinated coffee?Jo , Jonnie Hellens<jonnie_hellens> wrote:> Oh no! Give up my yummy coffee? Boo hoo.... Makes one kindawonder, which is better? Living longer or living a shorter lifefilled with the 'good' things? Hmmm... quality or quantity?> > ank_art <ank_art> wrote:> here's a healthy reason to eat more chocolate --- Lindt has afantastic 80% cocoa bar if you like semi-sweet...mmm-mmm ;)> > Eating 2 ounces (50 grams) a day of plain chocolate with a minimumcontent of 70% chocolate solids can be beneficial to health, providingprotection against heart disease, high blood pressure, and many otherhealth hazards as well as essential trace elements and nutrients suchas iron, calcium

and potassium, and vitamins A. B1, C, D, and E andit's a lot tastier than boring old vitamin pills too. A 1 1/2-ouncesquare of chocolate may have as many cancer-fighting antioxidants as afive-ounce glass of red wine.> > andrea> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: Hi JOnnie> > Actually ...... it is said that dark chocolate (vegan variety) with > 70% cocoa in it is good for the heart and arteries. In the milk > variety, the milk is bad for them. Coffee is not good for arteries > at all. The caffeine contained in coffee makes the arteries go quite > stiff for about six hours after drinking a cup - so if your arteries > are narrowed through inflammation (lack of vitamin C) and you do > something that can make them go stiff for a while you could be in for > trouble.> > BB> Jo> > ,

Jonnie Hellens > <jonnie_hellens> wrote:> > Thanks Jo! Reading about the anit-inflammatory diet is what > started me on the road to becomming a veggie. I've given up most > everything that I've heard to be an issue, but I won't give up my > morning Joe. I even rarely have chocolate, but coffee won because of > all the sat fat in chocolate. I love good coffee. > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:LOL - you probably don't need an > anti-inflammatory diet, so don't panic> > !> > > > Jo> > - > > peter hurd > > > > Friday, September 30, 2005 9:46 PM> > Re: Can anyone help me please:)> > > > > > Well, I drink decaf, but hell no alcohol! please, no dont take my

> alcohol. I `m glad Frag wasnt here to see it, Id imagine his hair > falling out ( if he wasnt bald)> > > > The Valley Vegan.............> > Fel iar glwc Miserable > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:> > Hi Jonnie> > > > I have this article saved on my pc because I think inflammation > causes so many diseases. > > > > Guidelines for an Anti-Inflammatory Lifestyle> > Jacob Farin, N.D.> > > > > > The main reason people seek a physician's advice is for pain relief.> > Although there are numerous botanical and nutritional treatments to> > reduce pain and inflammation, the main naturopathic defenses are > foods.> > By paying attention to the foods that we eat, we can reduce the> > occurrence of pain and inflammation. Mark,

who came to me for > treatment> > of ulcerative colitis, experienced significant improvement when he> > followed this outline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle. Within 3> > months, he was nearly symptom free and was able to treat himself to > a> > day of indulgence at his daughter's wedding. Best of all, he > experienced> > no ill effect.> > > > 1. Eliminate pro-inflammatory foods> > > > Red Meats and Peanuts: These foods contain high levels of > arachidonic> > acid, a type of fatty acid that converts into inflammatory > mediators.> > Removing these foods from the diet decreases the levels of > arachidonic> > acid in the body and reduces the occurrence of inflammation.> > > > Caffeine, fried foods, carbonated drinks, alcohol: These foods > greatly> > increase oxidation and free

radicals, both of which initiate the> > inflammatory process, and makes one prone towards inflammation.> > > > Food allergies: Foods that do not agree with us can produce > metabolites> > that interfere with normal bodily function and impair expedient > healing> > of inflamed tissues. Many people experience long-term relief of pain> > with the simple elimination of food allergens such as wheat and > dairy,> > especially those with long-term intestinal disorders.> > > > 2. Implement a plant-based diet> > > > Vegetables and fruits: These foods are rich in carotenoids and> > bioflavonoids that are powerful antioxidants, preventing free > radical> > production and reducing the occurrence of inflammation. The more > richly> > colored the fruit or vegetable, the more antioxidants it contains. > Make>

> sure every meal contains a healthy serving of fruits or vegetables> > > > Cold water fish: Salmon, halibut, mackerel, tuna, trout and other > cold> > water fish contain lots of omega-3 fatty acids. These fatty acids > offset> > the production of arachidonic acid, as well as favor the production > of> > mediators that inhibit inflammation. Eat at least 3 servings of fish> > every week.> > > > Flax oil: This is rich in omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids which work> > similarly to fish oils to help reduce inflammation. Use it in > salads or> > in fruit smoothies, but never cook with it because of its strong> > tendency towards being oxidized.> > > > Ginger: Ginger has been shown to be a powerful anti-inflammatory > agent.> > Use it freely in your cooking or make a tea with it. It also helps> > reduce

nausea and some forms of abdominal distress.> > > > Whole grains, legumes, soy products: These foods are great sources > for> > protein without the pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid. Skinless > chicken> > breasts may also be added since most of the fat is found in the > skin.> > > > 3. Nutritional supplements> > > > Correct nutritional deficiencies: Nutritional deficiencies can> > exacerbate pain and inflammation by slowing down the healing > process of> > injured tissues. It is well established that deficiencies in zinc > and> > vitamins C and A can delay wound healing. Deficiencies in minerals, > such> > as calcium and magnesium, can also aggravate muscular pain.> > > > Antioxidants: Powerful antioxidants include vitamins A, C and E,> > carotenoids and bioflavonoids, along with selenium and

glutathione.> > > > 4. Move that body!> > > > Exercise: Not only is exercise a great way to relieve stress and> > tension, but it promotes circulation, allowing vital nutrients to> > diffuse throughout the body, while flushing out metabolic waste.> > Exercise does not have to be strenuous. Daily walking or yoga is> > adequate enough to get the blood moving.> > > > Let this guideline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle be a part of > your> > natural management for pain and inflammation.> > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all > new Security Centre. > > > > To send an email to -> > > >

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If solvents are used it is bad - if it is water it is okay.

 

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I've heard that the chemicals used to decaf it are bad news. Does anyone have any input on this?heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi JonnieHave you tried decaffeinated coffee?Jo , Jonnie Hellens<jonnie_hellens> wrote:> Oh no! Give up my yummy coffee? Boo hoo.... Makes one kindawonder, which is better? Living longer or living a shorter lifefilled with the 'good' things? Hmmm... quality or quantity?> > ank_art <ank_art> wrote:> here's a healthy reason to eat more chocolate --- Lindt has afantastic 80% cocoa bar if you like semi-sweet...mmm-mmm ;)> > Eating 2 ounces (50 grams) a day of plain chocolate with a minimumcontent of 70% chocolate solids can be beneficial to health, providingprotection against heart disease, high blood pressure, and many otherhealth hazards as well as essential trace elements and nutrients suchas iron, calcium and potassium, and vitamins A. B1, C, D, and E andit's a lot tastier than boring old vitamin pills too. A 1 1/2-ouncesquare of chocolate may have as many cancer-fighting antioxidants as afive-ounce glass of red wine.> > andrea> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: Hi JOnnie> > Actually ...... it is said that dark chocolate (vegan variety) with > 70% cocoa in it is good for the heart and arteries. In the milk > variety, the milk is bad for them. Coffee is not good for arteries > at all. The caffeine contained in coffee makes the arteries go quite > stiff for about six hours after drinking a cup - so if your arteries > are narrowed through inflammation (lack of vitamin C) and you do > something that can make them go stiff for a while you could be in for > trouble.> > BB> Jo> > , Jonnie Hellens > <jonnie_hellens> wrote:> > Thanks Jo! Reading about the anit-inflammatory diet is what > started me on the road to becomming a veggie. I've given up most > everything that I've heard to be an issue, but I won't give up my > morning Joe. I even rarely have chocolate, but coffee won because of > all the sat fat in chocolate. I love good coffee. > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:LOL - you probably don't need an > anti-inflammatory diet, so don't panic> > !> > > > Jo> > - > > peter hurd > > > > Friday, September 30, 2005 9:46 PM> > Re: Can anyone help me please:)> > > > > > Well, I drink decaf, but hell no alcohol! please, no dont take my > alcohol. I `m glad Frag wasnt here to see it, Id imagine his hair > falling out ( if he wasnt bald)> > > > The Valley Vegan.............> > Fel iar glwc Miserable > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:> > Hi Jonnie> > > > I have this article saved on my pc because I think inflammation > causes so many diseases. > > > > Guidelines for an Anti-Inflammatory Lifestyle> > Jacob Farin, N.D.> > > > > > The main reason people seek a physician's advice is for pain relief.> > Although there are numerous botanical and nutritional treatments to> > reduce pain and inflammation, the main naturopathic defenses are > foods.> > By paying attention to the foods that we eat, we can reduce the> > occurrence of pain and inflammation. Mark, who came to me for > treatment> > of ulcerative colitis, experienced significant improvement when he> > followed this outline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle. Within 3> > months, he was nearly symptom free and was able to treat himself to > a> > day of indulgence at his daughter's wedding. Best of all, he > experienced> > no ill effect.> > > > 1. Eliminate pro-inflammatory foods> > > > Red Meats and Peanuts: These foods contain high levels of > arachidonic> > acid, a type of fatty acid that converts into inflammatory > mediators.> > Removing these foods from the diet decreases the levels of > arachidonic> > acid in the body and reduces the occurrence of inflammation.> > > > Caffeine, fried foods, carbonated drinks, alcohol: These foods > greatly> > increase oxidation and free radicals, both of which initiate the> > inflammatory process, and makes one prone towards inflammation.> > > > Food allergies: Foods that do not agree with us can produce > metabolites> > that interfere with normal bodily function and impair expedient > healing> > of inflamed tissues. Many people experience long-term relief of pain> > with the simple elimination of food allergens such as wheat and > dairy,> > especially those with long-term intestinal disorders.> > > > 2. Implement a plant-based diet> > > > Vegetables and fruits: These foods are rich in carotenoids and> > bioflavonoids that are powerful antioxidants, preventing free > radical> > production and reducing the occurrence of inflammation. The more > richly> > colored the fruit or vegetable, the more antioxidants it contains. > Make> > sure every meal contains a healthy serving of fruits or vegetables> > > > Cold water fish: Salmon, halibut, mackerel, tuna, trout and other > cold> > water fish contain lots of omega-3 fatty acids. These fatty acids > offset> > the production of arachidonic acid, as well as favor the production > of> > mediators that inhibit inflammation. Eat at least 3 servings of fish> > every week.> > > > Flax oil: This is rich in omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids which work> > similarly to fish oils to help reduce inflammation. Use it in > salads or> > in fruit smoothies, but never cook with it because of its strong> > tendency towards being oxidized.> > > > Ginger: Ginger has been shown to be a powerful anti-inflammatory > agent.> > Use it freely in your cooking or make a tea with it. It also helps> > reduce nausea and some forms of abdominal distress.> > > > Whole grains, legumes, soy products: These foods are great sources > for> > protein without the pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid. Skinless > chicken> > breasts may also be added since most of the fat is found in the > skin.> > > > 3. Nutritional supplements> > > > Correct nutritional deficiencies: Nutritional deficiencies can> > exacerbate pain and inflammation by slowing down the healing > process of> > injured tissues. It is well established that deficiencies in zinc > and> > vitamins C and A can delay wound healing. Deficiencies in minerals, > such> > as calcium and magnesium, can also aggravate muscular pain.> > > > Antioxidants: Powerful antioxidants include vitamins A, C and E,> > carotenoids and bioflavonoids, along with selenium and glutathione.> > > > 4. Move that body!> > > > Exercise: Not only is exercise a great way to relieve stress and> > tension, but it promotes circulation, allowing vital nutrients to> > diffuse throughout the body, while flushing out metabolic waste.> > Exercise does not have to be strenuous. Daily walking or yoga is> > adequate enough to get the blood moving.> > > > Let this guideline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle be a part of > your> > natural management for pain and inflammation.> > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all > new Security Centre. > > > > To send an email to -> > > > > > > > >

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One of thing we found out about and got rid of when we found out DH had cancer. You can get coffee that is decaf'd (is that a word?) with water, not chemicals but you usually only see it in the organic foods and health food stores.

 

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I've heard that the chemicals used to decaf it are bad news. Does anyone have any input on this?

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In the direct contact method, the green (unroasted) beans are placed in a rotating drum and softened by steam for approximately 30 minutes; they are then repeatedly rinsed - for about 10 hours - with methylene chloride, which removes the caffeine from the beans. The caffeine-laden solvent is drained away, and the beans are steamed a second time, for 8 to 12 hours, so the remaining solvent can evaporate. Finally, air or vacuum drying removes excess moisture from the decaffeinated beans. Virtually no solvent residue remains after roasting the beans.

 

 

Using this substance to decaffeinate coffee is often referred to as a "natural" process because ethyl acetate is a compound found in many fruits, such as apples, peaches, and pears.

This process is similar to the indirect contact method using methylene chloride described above, although ethyl acetate requires more time to absorb the caffeine.

 

Unfortunately I rarely see the package say how it decafs the coffee. Or sometimes it might say naturally decafinated, but of course we all know we can believe what we believe on the packaging!peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote:

 

I think there are two methods of decafinating, the chemical way or the swiss water way ( whatever that is?)

try this on for size, next time you drink some decaf see if you can taste carbon, or triglycerides or some other solvent!

http://www.worldwidemart.com/choice/decaf.html

 

I`ve waffled enough...............HELP FRAGGLE

 

The Valley Vegan..........Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens wrote:

 

I've heard that the chemicals used to decaf it are bad news. Does anyone have any input on this?heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi JonnieHave you tried decaffeinated coffee?Jo , Jonnie Hellens<jonnie_hellens> wrote:> Oh no! Give up my yummy coffee? Boo hoo.... Makes one kindawonder, which is better? Living longer or living a shorter lifefilled with the 'good' things? Hmmm... quality or quantity?> > ank_art <ank_art> wrote:> here's a healthy reason to eat more chocolate --- Lindt has afantastic 80% cocoa bar if you like semi-sweet...mmm-mmm ;)> > Eating 2 ounces (50 grams) a day of plain chocolate with a minimumcontent of 70% chocolate solids can be beneficial to health, providingprotection against heart disease, high blood pressure, and many otherhealth hazards as well as essential trace elements and nutrients suchas iron, calcium

and potassium, and vitamins A. B1, C, D, and E andit's a lot tastier than boring old vitamin pills too. A 1 1/2-ouncesquare of chocolate may have as many cancer-fighting antioxidants as afive-ounce glass of red wine.> > andrea> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: Hi JOnnie> > Actually ...... it is said that dark chocolate (vegan variety) with > 70% cocoa in it is good for the heart and arteries. In the milk > variety, the milk is bad for them. Coffee is not good for arteries > at all. The caffeine contained in coffee makes the arteries go quite > stiff for about six hours after drinking a cup - so if your arteries > are narrowed through inflammation (lack of vitamin C) and you do > something that can make them go stiff for a while you could be in for > trouble.> > BB> Jo> > ,

Jonnie Hellens > <jonnie_hellens> wrote:> > Thanks Jo! Reading about the anit-inflammatory diet is what > started me on the road to becomming a veggie. I've given up most > everything that I've heard to be an issue, but I won't give up my > morning Joe. I even rarely have chocolate, but coffee won because of > all the sat fat in chocolate. I love good coffee. > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:LOL - you probably don't need an > anti-inflammatory diet, so don't panic> > !> > > > Jo> > - > > peter hurd > > > > Friday, September 30, 2005 9:46 PM> > Re: Can anyone help me please:)> > > > > > Well, I drink decaf, but hell no alcohol! please, no dont take my

> alcohol. I `m glad Frag wasnt here to see it, Id imagine his hair > falling out ( if he wasnt bald)> > > > The Valley Vegan.............> > Fel iar glwc Miserable > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...> wrote:> > Hi Jonnie> > > > I have this article saved on my pc because I think inflammation > causes so many diseases. > > > > Guidelines for an Anti-Inflammatory Lifestyle> > Jacob Farin, N.D.> > > > > > The main reason people seek a physician's advice is for pain relief.> > Although there are numerous botanical and nutritional treatments to> > reduce pain and inflammation, the main naturopathic defenses are > foods.> > By paying attention to the foods that we eat, we can reduce the> > occurrence of pain and inflammation. Mark,

who came to me for > treatment> > of ulcerative colitis, experienced significant improvement when he> > followed this outline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle. Within 3> > months, he was nearly symptom free and was able to treat himself to > a> > day of indulgence at his daughter's wedding. Best of all, he > experienced> > no ill effect.> > > > 1. Eliminate pro-inflammatory foods> > > > Red Meats and Peanuts: These foods contain high levels of > arachidonic> > acid, a type of fatty acid that converts into inflammatory > mediators.> > Removing these foods from the diet decreases the levels of > arachidonic> > acid in the body and reduces the occurrence of inflammation.> > > > Caffeine, fried foods, carbonated drinks, alcohol: These foods > greatly> > increase oxidation and free

radicals, both of which initiate the> > inflammatory process, and makes one prone towards inflammation.> > > > Food allergies: Foods that do not agree with us can produce > metabolites> > that interfere with normal bodily function and impair expedient > healing> > of inflamed tissues. Many people experience long-term relief of pain> > with the simple elimination of food allergens such as wheat and > dairy,> > especially those with long-term intestinal disorders.> > > > 2. Implement a plant-based diet> > > > Vegetables and fruits: These foods are rich in carotenoids and> > bioflavonoids that are powerful antioxidants, preventing free > radical> > production and reducing the occurrence of inflammation. The more > richly> > colored the fruit or vegetable, the more antioxidants it contains. > Make>

> sure every meal contains a healthy serving of fruits or vegetables> > > > Cold water fish: Salmon, halibut, mackerel, tuna, trout and other > cold> > water fish contain lots of omega-3 fatty acids. These fatty acids > offset> > the production of arachidonic acid, as well as favor the production > of> > mediators that inhibit inflammation. Eat at least 3 servings of fish> > every week.> > > > Flax oil: This is rich in omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids which work> > similarly to fish oils to help reduce inflammation. Use it in > salads or> > in fruit smoothies, but never cook with it because of its strong> > tendency towards being oxidized.> > > > Ginger: Ginger has been shown to be a powerful anti-inflammatory > agent.> > Use it freely in your cooking or make a tea with it. It also helps> > reduce

nausea and some forms of abdominal distress.> > > > Whole grains, legumes, soy products: These foods are great sources > for> > protein without the pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid. Skinless > chicken> > breasts may also be added since most of the fat is found in the > skin.> > > > 3. Nutritional supplements> > > > Correct nutritional deficiencies: Nutritional deficiencies can> > exacerbate pain and inflammation by slowing down the healing > process of> > injured tissues. It is well established that deficiencies in zinc > and> > vitamins C and A can delay wound healing. Deficiencies in minerals, > such> > as calcium and magnesium, can also aggravate muscular pain.> > > > Antioxidants: Powerful antioxidants include vitamins A, C and E,> > carotenoids and bioflavonoids, along with selenium and

glutathione.> > > > 4. Move that body!> > > > Exercise: Not only is exercise a great way to relieve stress and> > tension, but it promotes circulation, allowing vital nutrients to> > diffuse throughout the body, while flushing out metabolic waste.> > Exercise does not have to be strenuous. Daily walking or yoga is> > adequate enough to get the blood moving.> > > > Let this guideline for an anti-inflammatory lifestyle be a part of > your> > natural management for pain and inflammation.> > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all > new Security Centre. > > > > To send an email to -> > > >

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