Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

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i don't think we've beat this subject into the dust enough yet..

come on guys...how about we all go play tiddily winks er something,,,,

make some tea?

 

pagan is latin...

heathen is old germanic...(and therefore also old english...)..

i think it first appeared in a written form(forgot the exact work..like hapen er something like that..but..like better, i don't have the right keyboard to write wot it was anyways...) in like..umm..the 300's i think..some gothic(the tribe, not the spooky i wear black..)bishop translated the bible into goth, and used that word as a replacement fer greek er something like that

it meant at the time a combination of someone from an uncivilized place, a dweller on untilled land, a savage..etc and so forth

it has to predate christianity as its common to all the germanic languages...

there is also an armenian word, sorry, don't remember it, which is very similar, which means nation or people...

dmn indo european languages...

 

anyways..they are all words....meanings change...

how many fairies can we get to dance on the head of a pin now? Lynda Aug 7, 2005 3:32 PM Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

Nope, heathen is the word the xtians came up with.

 

Lynda

 

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Jo Cwazy

Sunday, August 07, 2005 1:59 PM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

My understanding is that pagan with a small p is the word used to describe anyone non-Christian by Christians.

 

Jo

 

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Lynda

Sunday, August 07, 2005 8:39 PM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

Jo, the word heathen came from the Christian folks. They came up with it. Until they started grouping folks under that umbrella, "heathens" called themselves what they were (Druid, Pagen, or had no name for their beliefs at all).

 

Lynda, hereditary "heathen" for over 10,000 years.

 

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Jo Cwazy

Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:01 PM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

A further comment. There are lots of Heathen gods. You have noted that the way Heathen is used in your description is one given to the word by Christians, not by the Heathens themselves.

 

Jo

 

 

 

Ah, Peter, it doesn't mean "a" religion, it means a lack of a specific religion -- "a person who does not acknowledge your God, one who is not Xtian."

 

Lynda

 

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Peter

Sunday, August 07, 2005 1:20 AM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

> Hey, he meant it in a bad way <g>

 

Not quite sure why that gets a grin... if he'd used the term "nigger" or "paki" in a derogatory way (as they were frequently in the 1950s), we'd all be outraged, so why is it alright to use a term denoting a religion rather than a race in such a way?

 

Peter

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Lynda

 

You are still confusing the word "heathen" with the word "heretic". As I have said about 4 times now, Heathen is the word that was used to label those who practiced their religion on the Heath Land - it is from an Anglo-Saxon word. Pagan, as Fraggle has pointed out, is from the Latin word meaning "country dweller", and was originally a term used by Christians to insult those "idiots" who lived in the country and maintained rural religious practices. Neither word was applied by the church to all those who disagreed with their teachings until recently.

 

Incidentally, I do find it rather amusing that you insist on arguing with people who have spent several years researching the religious history of England (where these words all originated). It seems a bit like meeting Neil Armstrong and trying to tell him that the moon is made of cheese.

 

Peter

 

 

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Lynda

Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:32 PM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

Nope, heathen is the word the xtians came up with.

 

Lynda

 

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Jo Cwazy

Sunday, August 07, 2005 1:59 PM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

My understanding is that pagan with a small p is the word used to describe anyone non-Christian by Christians.

 

Jo

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Peter, I am not indulging you any further.

 

Would you like me to leave the list? I realise that having a child who is working to be a vegan and rescuing animals and giving them a good life instead of just talking about it isn't good enough to be your kind of vegan, so just say the word!

 

Lynda

 

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Peter

Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:08 PM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

Lynda

 

> Well, you use it your way on your side of the pond and we'll use it our way on our side of the pond. Ya know, like anarchist <g>

 

I'm not quite sure why you keep thinking it appropriate to "grin" over this issue. To people who follow the religion you are commenting on, your comments are highly offensive. This is not a "grinning" issue - it is a disgusting display of an individual (you) acting in a highly offensive way, and then insisting that you have every right to insult others because you don't understand the meanings of the words you are using. It is even worse, because when it is explained to you, rather than saying "OK, I didn't understand, but do now", you maintain that you have the right to redefine the English language regardless of who it offends. It is a sickening display of arrogance and insensitivity.

 

Peter

 

 

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Reread what Fraggle wrote. All, not just the part that you decided fits your argument.

 

The word is GERMAN!

 

Lynda

 

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Peter

Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:28 PM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

Lynda

 

You are still confusing the word "heathen" with the word "heretic". As I have said about 4 times now, Heathen is the word that was used to label those who practiced their religion on the Heath Land - it is from an Anglo-Saxon word. Pagan, as Fraggle has pointed out, is from the Latin word meaning "country dweller", and was originally a term used by Christians to insult those "idiots" who lived in the country and maintained rural religious practices. Neither word was applied by the church to all those who disagreed with their teachings until recently.

 

Incidentally, I do find it rather amusing that you insist on arguing with people who have spent several years researching the religious history of England (where these words all originated). It seems a bit like meeting Neil Armstrong and trying to tell him that the moon is made of cheese.

 

Peter

 

 

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Lynda

Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:32 PM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

Nope, heathen is the word the xtians came up with.

 

Lynda

 

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Jo Cwazy

Sunday, August 07, 2005 1:59 PM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

My understanding is that pagan with a small p is the word used to describe anyone non-Christian by Christians.

 

Jo

 

 

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> In a message dated 8/7/05 5:28:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

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> Message: 24

> Mon, 8 Aug 2005 01:08:37 +0100

> " Peter " <metalscarab@c...>

> Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

>

> Lynda

>

> > Well, you use it your way on your side of the pond and we'll use

it our

> way on our side of the pond. Ya know, like anarchist <g>

>

> I'm not quite sure why you keep thinking it appropriate to " grin "

over this

> issue. To people who follow the religion you are commenting on,

your comments

> are highly offensive. This is not a " grinning " issue - it is a

disgusting

> display of an individual (you) acting in a highly offensive way,

and then

> insisting that you have every right to insult others because you

don't understand

> the meanings of the words you are using. It is even worse, because

when it is

> explained to you, rather than saying " OK, I didn't understand, but

do now " ,

> you maintain that you have the right to redefine the English

language

> regardless of who it offends. It is a sickening display of

arrogance and

> insensitivity.

>

> Peter

>

>

> [This message contained attachments]

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Lynda

 

English people are Germanic - Anglo-Saxon.

 

Jo

 

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> Reread what Fraggle wrote. All, not just the part that you decided

fits your argument.

>

> The word is GERMAN!

>

> Lynda

> -

> Peter

>

> Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:28 PM

> Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

>

>

> Lynda

>

> You are still confusing the word " heathen " with the

word " heretic " . As I have said about 4 times now, Heathen is the word

that was used to label those who practiced their religion on the

Heath Land - it is from an Anglo-Saxon word. Pagan, as Fraggle has

pointed out, is from the Latin word meaning " country dweller " , and

was originally a term used by Christians to insult those " idiots " who

lived in the country and maintained rural religious practices.

Neither word was applied by the church to all those who disagreed

with their teachings until recently.

>

> Incidentally, I do find it rather amusing that you insist on

arguing with people who have spent several years researching the

religious history of England (where these words all originated). It

seems a bit like meeting Neil Armstrong and trying to tell him that

the moon is made of cheese.

>

> Peter

>

> -

> Lynda

>

> Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:32 PM

> Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

>

>

> Nope, heathen is the word the xtians came up with.

>

> Lynda

> -

> Jo Cwazy

>

> Sunday, August 07, 2005 1:59 PM

> Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

>

>

> My understanding is that pagan with a small p is the word

used to describe anyone non-Christian by Christians.

>

> Jo

>

>

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That just proves they didn't know as much as they thought then.

 

Jo

 

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Lynda

Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:32 PM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

Nope, heathen is the word the xtians came up with.

 

Lynda

 

-

Jo Cwazy

Sunday, August 07, 2005 1:59 PM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

My understanding is that pagan with a small p is the word used to describe anyone non-Christian by Christians.

 

Jo

 

-

Lynda

Sunday, August 07, 2005 8:39 PM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

Jo, the word heathen came from the Christian folks. They came up with it. Until they started grouping folks under that umbrella, "heathens" called themselves what they were (Druid, Pagen, or had no name for their beliefs at all).

 

Lynda, hereditary "heathen" for over 10,000 years.

 

-

Jo Cwazy

Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:01 PM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

A further comment. There are lots of Heathen gods. You have noted that the way Heathen is used in your description is one given to the word by Christians, not by the Heathens themselves.

 

Jo

 

 

 

Ah, Peter, it doesn't mean "a" religion, it means a lack of a specific religion -- "a person who does not acknowledge your God, one who is not Xtian."

 

Lynda

 

-

Peter

Sunday, August 07, 2005 1:20 AM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

> Hey, he meant it in a bad way <g>

 

Not quite sure why that gets a grin... if he'd used the term "nigger" or "paki" in a derogatory way (as they were frequently in the 1950s), we'd all be outraged, so why is it alright to use a term denoting a religion rather than a race in such a way?

 

Peter

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Lynda

 

You don't have to be vegan to be on the list. What you do need to do (and this is a generic "you") is maintain polite conversation. Insulting people's religions is a big no-no, as it is highly offensive to those who follow the religion in question. If you'd talked of Jews, the way you talked of heathens, and then insisted that Jew meant something different to what it actually does, so it's OK for you to insult them, then I'm sure you would agree it would have been unacceptable behaviour.

 

Whether you leave or stay is entirely your choice - the rules are very simple, don't post things which are offensive, or blatantly anti-vegan. As long as you can stick to that, then no problem.

 

Peter

 

 

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Lynda

Monday, August 08, 2005 6:08 AM

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

Peter, I am not indulging you any further.

 

Would you like me to leave the list? I realise that having a child who is working to be a vegan and rescuing animals and giving them a good life instead of just talking about it isn't good enough to be your kind of vegan, so just say the word!

 

Lynda

 

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Lynda

 

> The word is GERMAN!

 

Ummm... and where do you think the Anglo-Saxons came from? Outer Mongolia????

 

Peter

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take the bag off yer head first silly

 

 

heartwerk <heartwork

Aug 7, 2005 11:59 PM

 

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

Now I've gone dizzy - must have taken too many deep breaths :-)

 

Jo

 

 

, lv2breathe@a... wrote:

>

> Hey everyone!

>

> Maybe it's time for a time out here!

>

> Count to ten 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10

>

> Take some deeeeeeeep breaths.

>

> Kristina

>

> In a message dated 8/7/05 5:28:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> writes:

>

> Message: 24

> Mon, 8 Aug 2005 01:08:37 +0100

> " Peter " <metalscarab@c...>

> Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

>

> Lynda

>

> > Well, you use it your way on your side of the pond and we'll use

it our

> way on our side of the pond. Ya know, like anarchist <g>

>

> I'm not quite sure why you keep thinking it appropriate to " grin "

over this

> issue. To people who follow the religion you are commenting on,

your comments

> are highly offensive. This is not a " grinning " issue - it is a

disgusting

> display of an individual (you) acting in a highly offensive way,

and then

> insisting that you have every right to insult others because you

don't understand

> the meanings of the words you are using. It is even worse, because

when it is

> explained to you, rather than saying " OK, I didn't understand, but

do now " ,

> you maintain that you have the right to redefine the English

language

> regardless of who it offends. It is a sickening display of

arrogance and

> insensitivity.

>

> Peter

>

>

> [This message contained attachments]

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ah! That's what I did wrong.

 

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Monday, August 08, 2005 7:01 PM

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take the bag off yer head first silly

 

 

heartwerk <heartwork

Aug 7, 2005 11:59 PM

 

Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

 

Now I've gone dizzy - must have taken too many deep breaths :-)

 

Jo

 

 

, lv2breathe@a... wrote:

>

> Hey everyone!

>

> Maybe it's time for a time out here!

>

> Count to ten 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10

>

> Take some deeeeeeeep breaths.

>

> Kristina

>

> In a message dated 8/7/05 5:28:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> writes:

>

> Message: 24

> Mon, 8 Aug 2005 01:08:37 +0100

> " Peter " <metalscarab@c...>

> Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

>

> Lynda

>

> > Well, you use it your way on your side of the pond and we'll use

it our

> way on our side of the pond. Ya know, like anarchist <g>

>

> I'm not quite sure why you keep thinking it appropriate to " grin "

over this

> issue. To people who follow the religion you are commenting on,

your comments

> are highly offensive. This is not a " grinning " issue - it is a

disgusting

> display of an individual (you) acting in a highly offensive way,

and then

> insisting that you have every right to insult others because you

don't understand

> the meanings of the words you are using. It is even worse, because

when it is

> explained to you, rather than saying " OK, I didn't understand, but

do now " ,

> you maintain that you have the right to redefine the English

language

> regardless of who it offends. It is a sickening display of

arrogance and

> insensitivity.

>

> Peter

>

>

> [This message contained attachments]

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Kudos to Peter!

 

And I mean it! I am extremely impressed!

 

I have always had a problem with these and other racial/derogatory

words. Not because of their " meaning " , but because people allow them

to have those meanings.

 

Do we not all realize the power we have and the power we give up!

 

Nikki - Who is getting quite loud this morning!

 

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote:

> > Hey, he meant it in a bad way <g>

>

> Not quite sure why that gets a grin... if he'd used the

term " nigger " or " paki " in a derogatory way (as they were frequently

in the 1950s), we'd all be outraged, so why is it alright to use a

term denoting a religion rather than a race in such a way?

>

> Peter

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peter hurd

Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:26 PM

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Too obvious, / fo effort. Try again.

 

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Hi Peter

 

>Anyone know what I can use up maple syrup for before it goes off?

 

Make some buckwheat pancakes, and then add maple syrup and Swedish Glace!!! :-)

 

BB

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> Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:26 PM

> Re: Blackstrap Molasses/Maple Syrup

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>

> Too obvious, / fo effort. Try again.

>

> The Valley Vegan......

>

>

> Hi Peter

>

> >Anyone know what I can use up maple syrup for before it goes off?

>

> Make some buckwheat pancakes, and then add maple syrup and Swedish

Glace!!! :-)

>

> BB

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