So, how bad did I screw up?

[Guest guest]

Actually, as soon as I hit send, I thought to myself, I should have

let Fraggle know that my chocolate was fair trade. But by then, my

message was already sent and there was no turning back.

 

It's nice to know that some things remain the same...

 

Either that or my dear friend is becoming predictable

 

Nikki

 

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

amke sure its organic fair trade chocolate not harvested by 9 yr old

slaves!!!

 

yup..thats me..gotta throw a monkey wrench int o everything

 

 

 

Jo Cwazy

May 19, 2005 5:08 AM

 

Re: Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

 

Nikki

 

Dark chocolate is full of antioxidants and the recommended dose is

three and

a half ounces a day. Apparently it lowers blood pressure, and has

the same

advantages as red wine (1 or 2 glasses a day) and red grape juice.

So, as

long as you stick to the recommended dose - it is good for you. If

you add

milk to the chocolate, it apparently negates all the benefits - as

if we

didn't know that :-)

 

Enjoy your chocolate.

 

Jo

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

> See now I've heard of some strange all-natural remedies in my time,

> but brushing your teeth with dark chocolate has got to be one the

> strangest!

> Oh well, if you think it will work...

 

Depends on what you want to achieve... if you want to get a nice new set

of dentures, then I highly recommend brushing your teeth with chocolate...

and for added effect, drink some orange juice immediately before-hand :-)

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Mmmmmmmm...... Fondue!

 

There's a good question! Anyone know of a good soy cheese that can

be used in fondue?

 

Nikki

 

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> Bad Fraggle. That stuff is soooooo good that chocolate haters

have been known to become addicted!

>

> Melt it with a little organic corn syrup in one of those old

fondue pots and dip in your organic strawberries. Yummmmmmm!!!!

>

> Lynda

> -

> fraggle

>

> Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:38 PM

> Re: Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

>

>

> amke sure its organic fair trade chocolate not harvested by 9 yr

old slaves!!!

>

>

> yup..thats me..gotta throw a monkey wrench int o everything

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kevin

 

> So, do I get points toward " non-moderated status " for having started

> this particular thread in the first place? :-)

 

Yep - 'tis done.

 

Just to explain to you and everyone... everyone starts out on moderated

status, in order to prevent spamming and/or trouble-makers. If you look

back in the archives, from about 6 months after the list started, you'll

see that there was some major trouble where some idiots joined and started

posting meat-based recipes, and basically stirring up trouble. Needless to

say, they got banned straight away, but I happened to be away and it took

about 48 hours for me to notice (this was before there were any

co-moderators). As a result I thought it safest to just start everyone out

on moderated.

 

The " theory " is that as soon as it becomes clear that someone is here to

join in and not cause trouble, they're put onto normal status (usually

after one or two posts). The " practice " is a little different in that I'm

really bad at keeping track of who has posted and is still in moderation.

Things tend to fall down in this regard for two reasons - both of which

have occurred recently... the first is when I get particularly busy and

don't have a lot of spare time to sort out moderating stuff. Second is

when a whole load of new people join in the same few days, and I simply

get confused as to who's who... by the time the " regulars " become clear,

I've forgotten that they're new, and therefore forget that they're still

moderated! Hence occassionally people stay on moderation way longer than

they should!!

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

> I think you may have misunderstood Peter, he has un-moderated you.

 

Haha - looks like I've confused you again... I'd originally un-moderated

Talisman... I've since un-moderated Kevin, but hadn't realised he was

still moderated until I saw his e-mail!

 

> But don't promise to play nice! That would be sooooo boring. (and if

> you tell Peter I said that I will deny it!)

 

I wouldn't believe any of your denials... you still haven't perfected that

innocent grin :-)

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Ewwwwwwwwwww!

 

And I thought we were pals!

 

BB

Nikki

 

 

, metalscarab@c... wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > See now I've heard of some strange all-natural remedies in my time,

> > but brushing your teeth with dark chocolate has got to be one the

> > strangest!

> > Oh well, if you think it will work...

>

> Depends on what you want to achieve... if you want to get a nice new

set

> of dentures, then I highly recommend brushing your teeth with

chocolate...

> and for added effect, drink some orange juice immediately before-

hand :-)

>

> BB

> Peter

[Guest guest]

Darn! Foiled again!

 

As for denials, I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. But it

isn't very nice to make fun of my lopsided grin!

 

BB

Nikki

 

, metalscarab@c... wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > I think you may have misunderstood Peter, he has un-moderated

you.

>

> Haha - looks like I've confused you again... I'd originally un-

moderated

> Talisman... I've since un-moderated Kevin, but hadn't realised he

was

> still moderated until I saw his e-mail!

>

> > But don't promise to play nice! That would be sooooo boring.

(and if

> > you tell Peter I said that I will deny it!)

>

> I wouldn't believe any of your denials... you still haven't

perfected that

> innocent grin :-)

>

> BB

> Peter

[Guest guest]

Well - he's wrong. The only time you need to limit your intake of soy is if you have an underactive thyroid, and even then it is okay to eat it in small amounts.

 

Jo

 

-

ChemGeek

Thursday, May 19, 2005 4:52 PM

Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

 

John McDougall, a huge vegan advocated, says that eating soy beyond anything "occasional" is actually dangerous to your health. Now he's a hellfire and brimstone anti-dairy advocate, so for him to come out and say stuff is somewhat worrisome to me.

 

 

 

-

Jo Cwazy

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:16 PM

Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

 

The only ~research~ I am aware of that says that soy is not safe has been funded by the meat and milk industries. All the research I have read says soy is good for you, regulates hormones. Population studies show that people who eat over a certain amount of soy have a lot less breast and prostate cancer for a start. At one time it was argued that eating soy was bad for children because of the phytoestrogens, but this argument has now been laid to rest. If it was bad for children, there wouldn't be any healthy adults in the populations that consume a lot of soy, and yet these same populations are healthier than meat eating populations.

 

Jo

 

-

ChemGeek

Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:19 AM

Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

 

just cuz something doesn't come from animals, don't mean its healthy i think we are all confusing "my gawd ITS VEGAN!", with a vegan diet just cuz i can eat something doesn't mean i'm going to.... anti-freeze is vegan....

 

If you are speaking about Ethylene glycol anti-freeze that goes in a car, it is an unfair comparison. That type of antifreeze isn't marketed as something for human consumption. However there is a type of antifreeze, propylene glycol that is used in food, food coloring, medicines and cosmetics as well as pipes in homes etc... that is supposedly safe. So chances are you have eaten antifreeze.

 

What's the difference between "my gawd ITS VEGAN!" and what vegans eat? Most vegans I know use margarine, most vegans I know eat tofutti products (I'm not picking on tofutti it's just a product I'm well versed with), most vegans I know eat soy (which some people say isn't safe) etc... Tofutti's cream cheese substitute is called "Better Than Cream Cheese" for goodness sake. It does give a false impression that this product is much healthier than regular cream cheese.

 

And I agree, just because something doesn't come from animals, doesn't mean it is healthy. However people are given false impressions about certain products. Take PeTA for example..while they are primarily an animal advocate group they do pimp the "health benefits" of being a veg*n. In the "Vegetarian Starter Kit" there's an entire page dedicated to the health dangers of eating dairy and meat. In their "Vegetarian Starter Kit" they tell you to use margarine, tofutti ice cream, soy milk, etc... without even mentioning the fact they contain dangerous mono and di-glycerides as well and how they should really only be used sparingly. So while you may not eat something just because it's vegan, many people do and do so unbeknownst to the hidden dangers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Talisman

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actinide Chemistry Graduate Student 2004ICP-MS and Radioactive Isotope User

 

 

 

 

Master Alchemist Gamma Mu ColonyAlpha Chi Sigma FraternityHeading to Notre Dame Fall 2005!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To send an email to - To send an email to - To send an email to -

[Guest guest]

OH yes - Green and BLack's Fairtrade :-)

 

Jo

 

-

fraggle

Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:38 PM

Re: Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

 

amke sure its organic fair trade chocolate not harvested by 9 yr old slaves!!!

 

yup..thats me..gotta throw a monkey wrench int o everything Jo Cwazy May 19, 2005 5:08 AM Re: Re: So, how bad did I screw up? NikkiDark chocolate is full of antioxidants and the recommended dose is three anda half ounces a day. Apparently it lowers blood pressure, and has the sameadvantages as red wine (1 or 2 glasses a day) and red grape juice. So, aslong as you stick to the recommended dose - it is good for you. If you addmilk to the chocolate, it apparently negates all the benefits - as if wedidn't know that :-)Enjoy your chocolate.Jo-"nikki_mackovitch" <nikkimackThursday, May 19, 2005 11:53 AM Re: S o, how bad did I screw up?> Dark chocolate isn't rubbish, right?>> Someone, please! QUICK!>> It's not, right? It has antioxidants!!!>> Right? RIGHT??>> Oh no.......................>>> Nikki> *calming herself down with a nice piece of dark chocolate*>>> , "Jo Cwazy" <heartwork@c...> wrote:> > That is true Fraggle - but it doesn't mean a food is unhealthy> just because it doesn't come from animals. There are lots of> unhealthy vegan foods, just as unhealthy as most animal-derived> foods. There are also lots of super-healthy vegan foods. Someone> who eats rubbish will do so whether they are vegan or not.> > -> > fraggle> > > > & nbs p; Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:49 AM> > Re: So, how bad did I screw up?> >> >> > just cuz something doesn't come from animals, don't mean its> healthy> > i think we are all confusing "my gawd ITS VEGAN!", with a vegan> diet> > just cuz i can eat something doesn't mean i'm going to....> > anti-freeze is vegan....> >> >> <<SNIP>>>>>>>> To send an email to - >

[Guest guest]

I'm glad to hear it :-)

 

Jo

 

 

 

> Egads! I must be tremendously healthy with the triple doses I've

> been taking!

>

> Nikki

> *flexing her muscles*

>

>

> , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote:

> > Nikki

> >

> > Dark chocolate is full of antioxidants and the recommended dose is

> three and

> > a half ounces a day. Apparently it lowers blood pressure, and has

> the same

> > advantages as red wine (1 or 2 glasses a day) and red grape

> juice. So, as

> > long as you stick to the recommended dose - it is good for you.

> If you add

> > milk to the chocolate, it apparently negates all the benefits - as

> if we

> > didn't know that :-)

> >

> > Enjoy your chocolate.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> >

> > -

> > " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...>

> >

> > Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:53 AM

> > Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

> >

> >

> > > Dark chocolate isn't rubbish, right?

> > >

> > > Someone, please! QUICK!

> > >

> > > It's not, right? It has antioxidants!!!

> > >

> > > Right? RIGHT??

> > >

> > > Oh no.......................

> > >

> > >

> > > Nikki

> > > *calming herself down with a nice piece of dark chocolate*

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...>

> wrote:

> > > > That is true Fraggle - but it doesn't mean a food is unhealthy

> > > just because it doesn't come from animals. There are lots of

> > > unhealthy vegan foods, just as unhealthy as most animal-derived

> > > foods. There are also lots of super-healthy vegan foods.

> Someone

> > > who eats rubbish will do so whether they are vegan or not.

> > > > -

> > > > fraggle

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:49 AM

> > > > Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > just cuz something doesn't come from animals, don't mean its

> > > healthy

> > > > i think we are all confusing " my gawd ITS VEGAN! " , with a

> vegan

> > > diet

> > > > just cuz i can eat something doesn't mean i'm going to....

> > > > anti-freeze is vegan....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > <<SNIP>>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

I'm sure hubby is pleased you are not 'normal' - makes life more fun.

 

BB

Jo

 

 

> Thx Jo!

>

> > It is a lot more difficult with a 'mixed' marriage

>

> I've never thought of it that way, but you're right!

>

> I'm very lucky in the fact that I have the support I do. It's not

> always easy and I know there is frustration on both sides at times.

> And I'm sure there are times when DH wishes we were a " normal "

> family. But then again, he pretty much knew when he agreed to marry

> me that " normal " was flying out the window at that point.

>

> BB

> Nikki

>

> , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote:

> > It is a lot more difficult with a 'mixed' marriage :-) I'm sure

> you are

> > doing your best, and hopefully your example will be considered

> when your son

> > is older.

> >

> > BB

> > Jo

> >

> > -

> > " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...>

> >

> > Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:34 AM

> > Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

> >

> >

> > > Hi Peter

> > >

> > > For me it's not that " black & white " . The hubby is a carnivore.

> Zak

> > > will not eat enough veggies, fruits, rice, beans to sustain him,

> > > he'll try things (with a bit of a struggle) but not enough to see

> > > him through to age 7. And I don't know enough about child

> nutrition

> > > in the vegan or even vegetarian sense to be able to keep him

> afloat

> > > on the few things he'll eat.

> > >

> > > I am happy with trying to teach him slowly. Strike that, not

> happy,

> > > but accept it and keep trying. Keep working with him, keep

> teaching,

> > > keep leading my example and continue learning all I can.

> > >

> > > It was an agreement with my hubby long ago. He supported and

> > > continues to support my decision to become a vegan. He even takes

> > > steps further and helps me to think of new meals to create. He

> tries

> > > and enjoys some of my dishes. He helps me to get Zak to try new

> > > dishes that are soy based meat substitutes etc. But at no point

> will

> > > I force my views upon him and he will never ask me to go back. In

> > > this agreement, I also stated that at this point, I will try to

> get

> > > Zak to eat more vegan or even vegetarian meals, but at no point

> will

> > > I ever put him in danger of malnutrition. Not that this is what

> you

> > > are suggesting, because I know you better than that. Just that

> it is

> > > a tough line here.

> > >

> > > And I do not look at it as forcing him one way or another. I

> look at

> > > it as trying to change what I can when I can. Continue

> introducing

> > > new things, continue asking Zak to have one bite of something he

> > > doesn't like everyday until he gets use to it. (Namely brocolli,

> > > carrots, etc.) Continuing to ask him to work with me in the

> garden

> > > so he enjoys these things more. Continuing to hide the fact it is

> > > soy meat and not real meat. And just continuing to try.

> > >

> > > BB

> > > Nikki

> > >

> > > , metalscarab@c... wrote:

> > > > Hi Talisman

> > > >

> > > > > It's also the reason I am not raising my children vegan. My

> 7

> > > year old

> > > > > recently chose to go vegetarian (yay!) after putting 1 and 1

> > > together and

> > > > > realizing where meat came from. But I don't believe in

> pushing

> > > my beliefs

> > > > > onto someone.

> > > >

> > > > I always find this an interesting concept... vegan parents

> don't

> > > want to

> > > > " force their views " onto their children by feeding them a vegan

> > > diet, but

> > > > are quite happy to force someone else's views by feeding them a

> > > meat based

> > > > diet.

> > > >

> > > > Since we have to make choices for our children until they are

> old

> > > enough

> > > > to make choices for themselves, it always seems curious to me

> that

> > > we

> > > > (vegans) advertise to the world that we feel our diet

> is " wrong " by

> > > > feeding our children a meat-based diet because we don't want

> > > to " force "

> > > > our opinions on them. By feeding them meat, we are just forcing

> > > someone

> > > > else's opinion on them, and feeding them a less healthy diet

> in the

> > > > process!

> > > >

> > > > BB

> > > > Peter

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well I overheard you - so it's no secret now.

 

Jo

 

>

> I think you may have misunderstood Peter, he has un-moderated you.

>

> But don't promise to play nice! That would be sooooo boring. (and if

> you tell Peter I said that I will deny it!)

>

> Nikki

>

>

> , " Kevin L. McDonald " <kevin@b...>

> wrote:

> > Peter,

> >

> > So, do I get points toward " non-moderated status " for having

> started

> > this particular thread in the first place? :-)

> >

> > Had to ask...it *is* a bit frustrating to have messages take a

> long time

> > to be posted. If I tell you that I own another

> > (WritersCafe) and have been doing this thing since way back when

> it was

> > still " eGroups, " then promise to play nice, will that sway the

> balance

> > in my favor?

> >

> > --Kevin

> >

> >

> > Peter wrote:

> >

> > > The CC's fine... apologies for the moderated status - this was

> pure

> > > oversight on my part, and I've now changed the status so you're

> no

> > > longer moderated!

> > To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

and

alas...i just haven't had the time recently to watch it all either

i apologize

stoopid busy life

 

fraggle metalscarab May 20, 2005 4:32 AM Re: So, how bad did I screw up? Hi Kevin> So, do I get points toward "non-moderated status" for having started> this particular thread in the first place? :-)Yep - 'tis done.Just to explain to you and everyone... everyone starts out on moderatedstatus, in order to prevent spamming and/or trouble-makers. If you lookback in the archives, from about 6 months after the list started, you'llsee that there was some major trouble where some idiots joined and startedposting meat-based recipes, and basically stirring up trouble. Needless tosay, they got banned straight away, but I happened to be away and it tookabout 48 hours for me to notice (this was before there were anyco-moderators). As a result I thought it safest to just start everyone outon moderated.The "theory" is that as soon as it becomes clear that someone is here tojoin in and not cause trouble, they're put onto normal status (usuallyafter one or two posts). The "practice" is a little different in that I'mreally bad at keeping track of who has posted and is still in moderation.Things tend to fall down in this regard for two reasons - both of whichhave occurred recently... the first is when I get particularly busy anddon't have a lot of spare time to sort out moderating stuff. Second iswhen a whole load of new people join in the same few days, and I simplyget confused as to who's who... by the time the "regulars" become clear,I've forgotten that they're new, and therefore forget that they're stillmoderated! Hence occassionally people stay on moderation way longer thanthey should!!BBPeterTo send an email to -

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Now calm down Kevin- you'll get dizzy and we'll have toprop you up :-)

 

Jo

 

 

> Well, he has *now*, but when I requested it last night I was still

> moderated. Thus, all of my posts from around 10pm CDST started showing

> up around 6:15am this morning. :-) Talisman, however, had just been

> freed from the shackled.

>

> I feel so *free* now. I need to get up and spin around a bit.

>

> --Kevin

>

>

> nikki_mackovitch wrote:

>

> >Hi Kevin,

> >

> >I think you may have misunderstood Peter, he has un-moderated you.

> >

> >But don't promise to play nice! That would be sooooo boring. (and if

> >you tell Peter I said that I will deny it!)

> >

> >Nikki

> >

> >

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

That's ok, deep down I think you always knew I was a bit of a

trouble-maker.

 

Just a little bit ...

 

Nikki

 

, " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote:

> Well I overheard you - so it's no secret now.

>

> Jo

>

> >

> > I think you may have misunderstood Peter, he has un-moderated

you.

> >

> > But don't promise to play nice! That would be sooooo boring.

(and if

> > you tell Peter I said that I will deny it!)

> >

> > Nikki

> >

> >

> > , " Kevin L. McDonald "

<kevin@b...>

> > wrote:

> > > Peter,

> > >

> > > So, do I get points toward " non-moderated status " for having

> > started

> > > this particular thread in the first place? :-)

> > >

> > > Had to ask...it *is* a bit frustrating to have messages take a

> > long time

> > > to be posted. If I tell you that I own another

> > > (WritersCafe) and have been doing this thing since way back

when

> > it was

> > > still " eGroups, " then promise to play nice, will that sway the

> > balance

> > > in my favor?

> > >

> > > --Kevin

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'll have to look it up but when you make stick margarine you change it

inorder to make it solid which is not its natural state.

 

Seems to me the natural food store in town has a vegan margarine in a tub.

I'll have to look at the name of it. All in all, liquid is the best,

semi-solid (tub) is second and stick is the worst. I won't say worse than

what since that seems to be a button for some folks.

 

Lynda

-

Kevin L. McDonald <kevin

 

Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:38 PM

Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

 

 

> Lynda,

>

> Would that include the vegan, soy-based stuff that starts with a W?

> (Can't think of the name to save my life.)

>

> --Kevin

>

>

> Lynda wrote:

>

> > And it has been found, not by the dairy industry or funded by the

> > dairy industry, btw, that stick margarine is far more deadly than

> > butter, particularly for women.

To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

You guys walked right into it! See, she got the foil in there!

 

Lynda

-

nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack

 

Friday, May 20, 2005 4:55 AM

Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

 

 

> Darn! Foiled again!

>

> As for denials, I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. But it

> isn't very nice to make fun of my lopsided grin!

>

> BB

> Nikki

>

> , metalscarab@c... wrote:

> > Hi Nikki

> >

> > > I think you may have misunderstood Peter, he has un-moderated

> you.

> >

> > Haha - looks like I've confused you again... I'd originally un-

> moderated

> > Talisman... I've since un-moderated Kevin, but hadn't realised he

> was

> > still moderated until I saw his e-mail!

> >

> > > But don't promise to play nice! That would be sooooo boring.

> (and if

> > > you tell Peter I said that I will deny it!)

> >

> > I wouldn't believe any of your denials... you still haven't

> perfected that

> > innocent grin :-)

> >

> > BB

> > Peter

>

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

ROFL!!!!!

 

Go Lynda!

 

 

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> You guys walked right into it! See, she got the foil in there!

>

> Lynda

> -

> nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack@m...>

>

> Friday, May 20, 2005 4:55 AM

> Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

>

>

> > Darn! Foiled again!

> >

> > As for denials, I'm not quite sure what you're talking about.

But it

> > isn't very nice to make fun of my lopsided grin!

> >

> > BB

> > Nikki

> >

> > , metalscarab@c... wrote:

> > > Hi Nikki

> > >

> > > > I think you may have misunderstood Peter, he has un-

moderated

> > you.

> > >

> > > Haha - looks like I've confused you again... I'd originally un-

> > moderated

> > > Talisman... I've since un-moderated Kevin, but hadn't realised

he

> > was

> > > still moderated until I saw his e-mail!

> > >

> > > > But don't promise to play nice! That would be sooooo boring.

> > (and if

> > > > you tell Peter I said that I will deny it!)

> > >

> > > I wouldn't believe any of your denials... you still haven't

> > perfected that

> > > innocent grin :-)

> > >

> > > BB

> > > Peter

> >

[Guest guest]

Always glad to help a fellow foil wearer <<eg>>

 

Lynda

-

nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack

 

Friday, May 20, 2005 2:22 PM

Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

 

 

> ROFL!!!!!

>

> Go Lynda!

>

>

>

>

> , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> > You guys walked right into it! See, she got the foil in there!

> >

> > Lynda

> > -

> > nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack@m...>

> >

> > Friday, May 20, 2005 4:55 AM

> > Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

> >

> >

> > > Darn! Foiled again!

> > >

> > > As for denials, I'm not quite sure what you're talking about.

> But it

> > > isn't very nice to make fun of my lopsided grin!

> > >

> > > BB

> > > Nikki

> > >

> > > , metalscarab@c... wrote:

> > > > Hi Nikki

> > > >

> > > > > I think you may have misunderstood Peter, he has un-

> moderated

> > > you.

> > > >

> > > > Haha - looks like I've confused you again... I'd originally un-

> > > moderated

> > > > Talisman... I've since un-moderated Kevin, but hadn't realised

> he

> > > was

> > > > still moderated until I saw his e-mail!

> > > >

> > > > > But don't promise to play nice! That would be sooooo boring.

> > > (and if

> > > > > you tell Peter I said that I will deny it!)

> > > >

> > > > I wouldn't believe any of your denials... you still haven't

> > > perfected that

> > > > innocent grin :-)

> > > >

> > > > BB

> > > > Peter

> > >

To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

I feel the same way,

my husband hates to shop with me, because he says that I read too

many ingredients and i boycott too many companies, therefore I take

forever to shop.

 

I don't see it as a chore. but he does.

sometimes, I just look for the bunny rabbit, this helps for fastness.

 

 

>

> > It is a lot more difficult with a 'mixed' marriage

>

> I've never thought of it that way, but you're right!

>

> I'm very lucky in the fact that I have the support I do. It's not

> always easy and I know there is frustration on both sides at times.

> And I'm sure there are times when DH wishes we were a " normal "

> family. But then again, he pretty much knew when he agreed to marry

> me that " normal " was flying out the window at that point.

>

> BB

> Nikki

>

> , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...>

wrote:

> > It is a lot more difficult with a 'mixed' marriage :-) I'm sure

> you are

> > doing your best, and hopefully your example will be considered

> when your son

> > is older.

> >

> > BB

> > Jo

> >

> > -

> > " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...>

> >

> > Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:34 AM

> > Re: So, how bad did I screw up?

> >

> >

> > > Hi Peter

> > >

> > > For me it's not that " black & white " . The hubby is a carnivore.

> Zak

> > > will not eat enough veggies, fruits, rice, beans to sustain him,

> > > he'll try things (with a bit of a struggle) but not enough to

see

> > > him through to age 7. And I don't know enough about child

> nutrition

> > > in the vegan or even vegetarian sense to be able to keep him

> afloat

> > > on the few things he'll eat.

> > >

> > > I am happy with trying to teach him slowly. Strike that, not

> happy,

> > > but accept it and keep trying. Keep working with him, keep

> teaching,

> > > keep leading my example and continue learning all I can.

> > >

> > > It was an agreement with my hubby long ago. He supported and

> > > continues to support my decision to become a vegan. He even

takes

> > > steps further and helps me to think of new meals to create. He

> tries

> > > and enjoys some of my dishes. He helps me to get Zak to try new

> > > dishes that are soy based meat substitutes etc. But at no point

> will

> > > I force my views upon him and he will never ask me to go back.

In

> > > this agreement, I also stated that at this point, I will try to

> get

> > > Zak to eat more vegan or even vegetarian meals, but at no point

> will

> > > I ever put him in danger of malnutrition. Not that this is what

> you

> > > are suggesting, because I know you better than that. Just that

> it is

> > > a tough line here.

> > >

> > > And I do not look at it as forcing him one way or another. I

> look at

> > > it as trying to change what I can when I can. Continue

> introducing

> > > new things, continue asking Zak to have one bite of something he

> > > doesn't like everyday until he gets use to it. (Namely brocolli,

> > > carrots, etc.) Continuing to ask him to work with me in the

> garden

> > > so he enjoys these things more. Continuing to hide the fact it

is

> > > soy meat and not real meat. And just continuing to try.

> > >

> > > BB

> > > Nikki

> > >

> > > , metalscarab@c... wrote:

> > > > Hi Talisman

> > > >

> > > > > It's also the reason I am not raising my children vegan.

My

> 7

> > > year old

> > > > > recently chose to go vegetarian (yay!) after putting 1 and 1

> > > together and

> > > > > realizing where meat came from. But I don't believe in

> pushing

> > > my beliefs

> > > > > onto someone.

> > > >

> > > > I always find this an interesting concept... vegan parents

> don't

> > > want to

> > > > " force their views " onto their children by feeding them a

vegan

> > > diet, but

> > > > are quite happy to force someone else's views by feeding them

a

> > > meat based

> > > > diet.

> > > >

> > > > Since we have to make choices for our children until they are

> old

> > > enough

> > > > to make choices for themselves, it always seems curious to me

> that

> > > we

> > > > (vegans) advertise to the world that we feel our diet

> is " wrong " by

> > > > feeding our children a meat-based diet because we don't want

> > > to " force "

> > > > our opinions on them. By feeding them meat, we are just

forcing

> > > someone

> > > > else's opinion on them, and feeding them a less healthy diet

> in the

> > > > process!

> > > >

> > > > BB

> > > > Peter

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

there is one called Non gmo, expeller pressed " Earth Balance " .

 

luckyly, I really like olive oil, and I find myself using it in place

of butter/margerine sometimes, like on bread.

 

 

-- In , " Kevin L. McDonald " <kevin@b...>

wrote:

> Lynda,

>

> Would that include the vegan, soy-based stuff that starts with a W?

> (Can't think of the name to save my life.)

>

> --Kevin

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I love Earth Balance!

 

I got DH, my son and my father hooked on it!

 

Nikki

 

 

, " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato@e...>

wrote:

> there is one called Non gmo, expeller pressed " Earth Balance " .

>

> luckyly, I really like olive oil, and I find myself using it in

place

> of butter/margerine sometimes, like on bread.

>

>

> -- In , " Kevin L. McDonald " <kevin@b...>

> wrote:

> > Lynda,

> >

> > Would that include the vegan, soy-based stuff that starts with a

W?

> > (Can't think of the name to save my life.)

> >

> > --Kevin

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

There is no such thing as normal, just individuals.I mean just look at Fraggle? or me, ( not on a full stomach obviously).

 

The Valley Vegan.......Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote:

Hi NikkiI'm sure hubby is pleased you are not 'normal' - makes life more fun.BBJo> Thx Jo!> > > It is a lot more difficult with a 'mixed' marriage> > I've never thought of it that way, but you're right!> > I'm very lucky in the fact that I have the support I do. It's not > always easy and I know there is frustration on both sides at times. > And I'm sure there are times when DH wishes we were a "normal" > family. But then again, he pretty much knew when he agreed to marry > me that "normal" was flying out the window at that point. > > BB> Nikki> > , "Jo Cwazy" wrote:> > It is a lot more difficult with a 'mixed' marriage :-) I'm sure > you are> > doing your best, and

hopefully your example will be considered > when your son> > is older.> > > > BB> > Jo> > > > -> > "nikki_mackovitch" > > > > Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:34 AM> > Re: So, how bad did I screw up?> > > > > > > Hi Peter> > >> > > For me it's not that "black & white". The hubby is a carnivore. > Zak> > > will not eat enough veggies, fruits, rice, beans to sustain him,> > > he'll try things (with a bit of a struggle) but not enough to see> > > him through to age 7. And I don't know enough about child > nutrition> > > in the vegan or even vegetarian sense to be able to keep him > afloat> > > on the few things he'll eat.> >

>> > > I am happy with trying to teach him slowly. Strike that, not > happy,> > > but accept it and keep trying. Keep working with him, keep > teaching,> > > keep leading my example and continue learning all I can.> > >> > > It was an agreement with my hubby long ago. He supported and> > > continues to support my decision to become a vegan. He even takes> > > steps further and helps me to think of new meals to create. He > tries> > > and enjoys some of my dishes. He helps me to get Zak to try new> > > dishes that are soy based meat substitutes etc. But at no point > will> > > I force my views upon him and he will never ask me to go back. In> > > this agreement, I also stated that at this point, I will try to > get> > > Zak to eat more vegan or even vegetarian meals, but at no point >

will> > > I ever put him in danger of malnutrition. Not that this is what > you> > > are suggesting, because I know you better than that. Just that > it is> > > a tough line here.> > >> > > And I do not look at it as forcing him one way or another. I > look at> > > it as trying to change what I can when I can. Continue > introducing> > > new things, continue asking Zak to have one bite of something he> > > doesn't like everyday until he gets use to it. (Namely brocolli,> > > carrots, etc.) Continuing to ask him to work with me in the > garden> > > so he enjoys these things more. Continuing to hide the fact it is> > > soy meat and not real meat. And just continuing to try.> > >> > > BB> > > Nikki > > >> > > ,

metalscarab@c... wrote:> > > > Hi Talisman> > > >> > > > > It's also the reason I am not raising my children vegan. My > 7> > > year old> > > > > recently chose to go vegetarian (yay!) after putting 1 and 1> > > together and> > > > > realizing where meat came from. But I don't believe in > pushing> > > my beliefs> > > > > onto someone.> > > >> > > > I always find this an interesting concept... vegan parents > don't> > > want to> > > > "force their views" onto their children by feeding them a vegan> > > diet, but> > > > are quite happy to force someone else's views by feeding them a> > > meat based> > > > diet.> > > >> > > > Since we have to make choices for our children

until they are > old> > > enough> > > > to make choices for themselves, it always seems curious to me > that> > > we> > > > (vegans) advertise to the world that we feel our diet > is "wrong" by> > > > feeding our children a meat-based diet because we don't want> > > to "force"> > > > our opinions on them. By feeding them meat, we are just forcing> > > someone> > > > else's opinion on them, and feeding them a less healthy diet > in the> > > > process!> > > >> > > > BB> > > > Peter> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > To send an email to -> > > >

[Guest guest]

And don`t forget to gargle with antifreeze!

 

The Valley Vegan.........metalscarab wrote:

Hi Nikki> See now I've heard of some strange all-natural remedies in my time,> but brushing your teeth with dark chocolate has got to be one the> strangest!> Oh well, if you think it will work...Depends on what you want to achieve... if you want to get a nice new setof dentures, then I highly recommend brushing your teeth with chocolate...and for added effect, drink some orange juice immediately before-hand :-)BBPeter

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

> Ewwwwwwwwwww!

> And I thought we were pals!

 

Sorry - I forgot that there's a thing about teeth in America (at least I'm

assuming that the episode of the Simpsons has some truth in it!)

 

BB

Peter