Should read Endangered Rivers, was Raw Sewage in American Rivers

[Guest guest]

I can state that it is the same anywhere in this country. We have to take

plastic to the supermarket car park five miles away. Recently the local

council has started collecting glass and paper from our garden. We

certainly don't get paid for any recycling - the councils have to be pushed

to do anything.

Jo

 

> You get *paid* for recycling stuff... in the UK it's really hard to

recycle,

> and at best you don't get charged! I recycle as much as I possibly can,

but

> it basically means seperating every sort of material out, and then taking

it

> on a 10 mile drive to a recycling centre, to dump it off... unless you're

> classified as a " business " , in which case you have to pay! (fortunately

I'm

> not a business!!!!) I sure wish they paid for the stuff in this country -

> might encourage a few more people to recycle!

>

> BB

> Peter

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

>

> Well, as a homesteader of several years, I can tell you that you

might need

> some money

 

 

How did you startup in Homesteading ? What did you do before you

started homesteading ? Does anyone in your family have prior

experience in regards to farming/homesteading ? How about electricity,

are you independent ? How about emergency medical ?

 

Thanks.

 

Vijay

[Guest guest]

Well, then, what about Belgium? I know folks living there that have bought

acreage for not all that much money and manage to make a go of it without

" regular " jobs.

 

Of course, one would have to get used to protesters who close roads to make

their politicians shape up and pay attention <g>

 

Lynda

-

Peter <metalscarab

>

> Again, depends entirely on where you come from... this may well be the

case

> in the US, but in the UK rural land is the most expensive, and way out of

> the reach of someone currently earning an ordinary salary who doesn't

> already own property.

>

> BB

> Peter

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

They pay, in CA, $1.25/pound for aluminum (soda type cans), 31 cents/pound

for aluminum (like cat food cans), 80 cents/pound for plastic (soda bottle

type), 13 cents/pound for other plastics that are numbered, 1.5 cents a

pound for newspaper, they pay for glass and the type of combination cans

that they have in China (aluminum and some other metal). The recycling

centers will take regular paper (no plastic windows) and cardboard without

charging.

 

All glass has to be seperated by color. Magazines have to go into another

pile. Plastic windows must be removed but the biodegradable can be left in

(how the heck is one supposed to know?).

 

We also have places where you can drop off things that are not garbage so

that anyone else that needs them can take them (fridge, stove, furniture,

paint, etc.).

 

There is a big charge for computers, now. Big charges for anything that is

considered hazardous waste. Big fines for throwing away (in regular

garbage) batteries, spray cans, household chemicals.

 

Lynda

-

Peter <metalscarab

 

Monday, April 18, 2005 3:36 PM

Re: Re: Should read " Endangered Rivers, was Raw Sewage

in American Rivers

 

 

>

> Hi Lynda

>

> > Another example, we recycle, EVERYTHING. Last week we went to the new

> > recycling center that we now have in town (a village to folks in some

> parts

> > of the world). We got enough money from recycling to buy 3 apple trees

(2

> > Red Gravensteins, 1 Golden Delicious), an Early Italian prune, 6 grapes,

> 20

> > strawberries, a lilac, a wisteria and a pony pack of black pansies. The

> > last 3 weren't necessary, but we feel that one must also feed one's

soul.

>

> You get *paid* for recycling stuff... in the UK it's really hard to

recycle,

> and at best you don't get charged! I recycle as much as I possibly can,

but

> it basically means seperating every sort of material out, and then taking

it

> on a 10 mile drive to a recycling centre, to dump it off... unless you're

> classified as a " business " , in which case you have to pay! (fortunately

I'm

> not a business!!!!) I sure wish they paid for the stuff in this country -

> might encourage a few more people to recycle!

>

> BB

> Peter

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, but I bet you don't have to pay a deposit on those things. Soooooo much

ended up in the dumps and on the sides of the roads that they started

charging per bottle/can. Then the recycling places sell the aluminum back

to the companies that make the cans.

 

Might be a thought for a home business. Contact who makes aluminum cans for

the sodas one buys in your country and see if you can sell the aluminum back

to them. If recyclers here are paying $1.25 a pound, then they have to be

getting twice that. I do know that the state does give them 77.5 cents a

pound but the balance has to come from the manufacturers, so there would

still be close to $2/pound to be made even if your country doesn't anti-up a

%.

 

Lynda

-

Jo Cwazy <heartwork

 

Monday, April 18, 2005 4:03 PM

Re: Re: Should read " Endangered Rivers, was Raw Sewage

in American Rivers

 

 

>

> I can state that it is the same anywhere in this country. We have to take

> plastic to the supermarket car park five miles away. Recently the local

> council has started collecting glass and paper from our garden. We

> certainly don't get paid for any recycling - the councils have to be

pushed

> to do anything.

> Jo

>

> > You get *paid* for recycling stuff... in the UK it's really hard to

> recycle,

> > and at best you don't get charged! I recycle as much as I possibly can,

> but

> > it basically means seperating every sort of material out, and then

taking

> it

> > on a 10 mile drive to a recycling centre, to dump it off... unless

you're

> > classified as a " business " , in which case you have to pay! (fortunately

> I'm

> > not a business!!!!) I sure wish they paid for the stuff in this

country -

> > might encourage a few more people to recycle!

> >

> > BB

> > Peter

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to -

> >

[Guest guest]

Ah gee, on this list you don't really want to know <g> Suffice it to say

that over the years we have had a lot of experience in various areas, some

of them not p.c. here.

 

Also, I spent a lot of time with my grandmother who did a lot of gardening

but that was all before I was 10.

 

I'm a book nut but don't spend a lot of time stressing over the " right " way

to do things. I kind of go with the flow for gardening and use the no-till

method because it seems more " humane " to both plants and soil.

 

The county where I live has its own hydro-electric power plant but we are

gradually working on converting some (maybe all with time) things to solar.

We are also looking at trying hydro electric since our one creek runs 52

weeks of the year. We will be replacing our water heater with an on-demand

system. We heat with wood, and it is all foraged (falls and dead trees in

the surrounding national forest and not lived on land around us).

 

As to medical, there is a sliding scale clinic in town/village. We do use a

lot of herbals and grandma's recipes for health. I've stitched up cuts

using fine fish line, have betadine on hand, steri-strips and so forth and

so on.

 

I'm referring to the not-p.c. part of my life, I am well equipped to take

care of all the critters and have been doing most of my own vet work for

about 35 years.

 

Lynda

-

rvijay <rvijay07

 

Monday, April 18, 2005 4:09 PM

>

> How did you startup in Homesteading ? What did you do before you

> started homesteading ? Does anyone in your family have prior

> experience in regards to farming/homesteading ? How about electricity,

> are you independent ? How about emergency medical ?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Vijay

To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

>

> I'm referring to the not-p.c. part of my life, I am well equipped to

take

> care of all the critters and have been doing most of my own vet work for

> about 35 years.

>

> Lynda

 

 

Are you a Vet or a Vet Technician ? How do you get access to Vet

medicines ?

 

Vijay

[Guest guest]

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

>

> Ah gee, on this list you don't really want to know <g> Suffice it

to say

> that over the years we have had a lot of experience in various

areas, some

> of them not p.c. here.

>

 

 

I am very glad you are on this list. There are not many

Vegetarian/Vegan homesteaders. Most homesteading sites deal with a lot

of info. on livestock/meat/poultry etc., Hope more Vegan/Vegtgie folks

start homesteading.

 

Vijay

[Guest guest]

Neither. You can buy most anything on the net. Lots of stuff at the local

feed store. Used to buy using catelogs. Plus, it is a good idea to have a

good working relationship with a local vet that isn't all hide bound with

his own self-importance and recognizes that folks are able to care for their

own animals. The old Tin God Syndrome is alive and well in the animal MD

scene as well as the human MD scene. I've been lucky that I can usually

find a vet who isn't in it strickly for the power trip or money.

 

Lynda

-

rvijay <rvijay07

 

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:19 AM

Re: Should read " Endangered Rivers, was Raw Sewage in

American Rivers

 

 

>

>

> , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> >

> > I'm referring to the not-p.c. part of my life, I am well equipped to

> take

> > care of all the critters and have been doing most of my own vet work for

> > about 35 years.

> >

> > Lynda

>

>

> Are you a Vet or a Vet Technician ? How do you get access to Vet

> medicines ?

>

> Vijay

To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

How right you are Jo, my council has a roadside recycling policy, but the people operating it are less than wonderful. Any poly/plastics that arent bottle shaped get left in our crate- even though they are made out of the same material as the bottles?! cant figure that one out. Paper has to be news print, as they will not take cardboard, even though a lot of it states please recycle on it!

 

The Valley Vgean......Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote:

I can state that it is the same anywhere in this country. We have to takeplastic to the supermarket car park five miles away. Recently the localcouncil has started collecting glass and paper from our garden. Wecertainly don't get paid for any recycling - the councils have to be pushedto do anything.Jo> You get *paid* for recycling stuff... in the UK it's really hard torecycle,> and at best you don't get charged! I recycle as much as I possibly can,but> it basically means seperating every sort of material out, and then takingit> on a 10 mile drive to a recycling centre, to dump it off... unless you're> classified as a "business", in which case you have to pay! (fortunatelyI'm> not a business!!!!) I sure wish they paid for the stuff in this country -> might encourage a few more people to

recycle!>> BB> Peter>>>>> To send an email to - >

[Guest guest]

Peter,

I assume that you have checked with your local council to see if they would start a kerbside recycling scheme? Mine started two years ago and provided green crates for people to put paper/plastics & glass in, which are collected fortnightly ( wish it was weekly). More and more people are using the scheme now , but not everyone has recycling as a priority unfortunately, as I only see about half of each street on average putting stuff out for recycling.

 

The Valley Vegan.......how green is my valley.Peter <metalscarab wrote:

Hi Lynda> Another example, we recycle, EVERYTHING. Last week we went to the new> recycling center that we now have in town (a village to folks in someparts> of the world). We got enough money from recycling to buy 3 apple trees (2> Red Gravensteins, 1 Golden Delicious), an Early Italian prune, 6 grapes,20> strawberries, a lilac, a wisteria and a pony pack of black pansies. The> last 3 weren't necessary, but we feel that one must also feed one's soul.You get *paid* for recycling stuff... in the UK it's really hard to recycle,and at best you don't get charged! I recycle as much as I possibly can, butit basically means seperating every sort of material out, and then taking iton a 10 mile drive to a recycling centre, to dump it off... unless you'reclassified as a "business", in which case you have to pay!

(fortunately I'mnot a business!!!!) I sure wish they paid for the stuff in this country -might encourage a few more people to recycle!BBPeter

[Guest guest]

our recycling went from a couple different bins (one fer paper, one fer plastic, aluminum and glass) to one giant bin

i guess they figured that

a. no one was seperatin them anyways

b. they had to seperate it all anyways at the plant... peter hurd Apr 19, 2005 9:44 AM Re: Re: Should read "Endangered Rivers, was Raw Sewage in American Rivers

Peter,

I assume that you have checked with your local council to see if they would start a kerbside recycling scheme? Mine started two years ago and provided green crates for people to put paper/plastics & glass in, which are collected fortnightly ( wish it was weekly). More and more people are using the scheme now , but not everyone has recycling as a priority unfortunately, as I only see about half of each street on average putting stuff out for recycling.

 

The Valley Vegan.......how green is my valley.Peter <metalscarab wrote:

Hi Lynda> Another example, we recycle, EVERYTHING. Last week we went to the new> recycling center that we now have in town (a village to folks in someparts> of the world). We got enough money from recycling to buy 3 apple trees (2> Red Gravensteins, 1 Golden Delicious), an Early Italian prune, 6 grapes,20> strawberries, a lilac, a wisteria and a pony pack of black pansies. The> last 3 weren't necessary, but we feel that one must also feed one's soul.You get *paid* for recycling stuff... in the UK it's really hard to recycle,and at best you don't get charged! I recycle as much as I possibly can, butit basically means seperating every sort of material out, and then taking iton a 10 mile drive to a recycling centre, to dump it off... unless you'reclassified as a "business", in which case you have to pay! (fortunately I'mnot a business!!!!) I sure wish they paid for the stuff in this country -might encourage a few more people to recycle!BBPeter

[Guest guest]

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> Neither. You can buy most anything on the net. Lots of stuff at

the local

> feed store. Used to buy using catelogs. Plus, it is a good idea to

have a

> good working relationship with a local vet that isn't all hide bound

with

> his own self-importance and recognizes that folks are able to care

for their

> own animals. The old Tin God Syndrome is alive and well in the

animal MD

> scene as well as the human MD scene. I've been lucky that I can usually

> find a vet who isn't in it strickly for the power trip or money.

>

> Lynda

 

 

Agreed ! You really are very fortunate in this regard.

 

Vijay

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynda

 

> Well, then, what about Belgium? I know folks living there that have

bought

> acreage for not all that much money and manage to make a go of it without

> " regular " jobs.

 

From a personal point of view....

 

1. I don't know anyone in Belgium, and have a lot of friends in the UK

 

2. I don't have Belgian citizenship

 

3. I don't speak French or Flemish

 

4. I *like* living in England!!!!

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter

 

> I assume that you have checked with your local council to see if they would start a kerbside recycling scheme? Mine started

> two years ago and provided green crates for people to put paper/plastics & glass in, which are collected fortnightly ( wish it

> was weekly). More and more people are using the scheme now , but not everyone has recycling as a priority unfortunately,

> as I only see about half of each street on average putting stuff out for recycling.

 

Oh yes - they have a kerbside recycling scheme... but only for houses, not flats (and don't ask me, I don't understand the logic of that either)!

 

I have a pretty good grasp of recycling facilities in Bristol, simply because I'm friends with the council's recycling officer - if I wasn't, I have no idea where I'd have found out about the recycling centres, because they don't make them known at all!

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Those points also apply to me with one addition - I'm not very young, and

wouldn't be a welcome immigrant - well, not unless I was rich, anyway.

 

Jo

> From a personal point of view....

>

> 1. I don't know anyone in Belgium, and have a lot of friends in the UK

>

> 2. I don't have Belgian citizenship

>

> 3. I don't speak French or Flemish

>

> 4. I *like* living in England!!!!

>

> BB

> Peter

[Guest guest]

if you do move t o belgium..send me beer..

thanx Jo Cwazy Apr 19, 2005 2:46 PM Re: Re: Should read "Endangered Rivers, was Raw Sewage in American Rivers Those points also apply to me with one addition - I'm not very young, andwouldn't be a welcome immigrant - well, not unless I was rich, anyway.Jo> From a personal point of view....>> 1. I don't know anyone in Belgium, and have a lot of friends in the UK>> 2. I don't have Belgian citizenship>> 3. I don't speak French or Flemish>> 4. I *like* living in England!!!!>> BB> PeterTo send an email to -

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

What is the difference with flats? a building is a building and all have kerbs?

Scratches head? as long as the stuff is out the side of the road our council will pick it up. I would check again if I was you, or ask them why not. Makes no sense to me.

 

 

Thought for the day:

Real strength is about being able to break an enemy's resistance without the need for fighting.

 

The Valley Vegan............Peter <metalscarab wrote:

 

Hi Peter

 

> I assume that you have checked with your local council to see if they would start a kerbside recycling scheme? Mine started

> two years ago and provided green crates for people to put paper/plastics & glass in, which are collected fortnightly ( wish it

> was weekly). More and more people are using the scheme now , but not everyone has recycling as a priority unfortunately,

> as I only see about half of each street on average putting stuff out for recycling.

 

Oh yes - they have a kerbside recycling scheme... but only for houses, not flats (and don't ask me, I don't understand the logic of that either)!

 

I have a pretty good grasp of recycling facilities in Bristol, simply because I'm friends with the council's recycling officer - if I wasn't, I have no idea where I'd have found out about the recycling centres, because they don't make them known at all!

 

BB

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[Guest guest]

Our crate is sorted on the lorry as it comes around, but the council do ask that you try and bag like items within the crate together to help them out. I just wish more people would use them. The council even give replacement crates free of charge ( someone pinched mine while I was at work?)

 

The Valley Vegan........

 

It is faith that steers us through stormy seas, faith that moves mountains and faith that jumps across the ocean.

 

She must be a busy girl that Faith?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

our recycling went from a couple different bins (one fer paper, one fer plastic, aluminum and glass) to one giant bin

i guess they figured that

a. no one was seperatin them anyways

b. they had to seperate it all anyways at the plant... peter hurd Apr 19, 2005 9:44 AM Re: Re: Should read "Endangered Rivers, was Raw Sewage in American Rivers

Peter,

I assume that you have checked with your local council to see if they would start a kerbside recycling scheme? Mine started two years ago and provided green crates for people to put paper/plastics & glass in, which are collected fortnightly ( wish it was weekly). More and more people are using the scheme now , but not everyone has recycling as a priority unfortunately, as I only see about half of each street on average putting stuff out for recycling.

 

The Valley Vegan.......how green is my valley.Peter <metalscarab wrote:

Hi Lynda> Another example, we recycle, EVERYTHING. Last week we went to the new> recycling center that we now have in town (a village to folks in someparts> of the world). We got enough money from recycling to buy 3 apple trees (2> Red Gravensteins, 1 Golden Delicious), an Early Italian prune, 6 grapes,20> strawberries, a lilac, a wisteria and a pony pack of black pansies. The> last 3 weren't necessary, but we feel that one must also feed one's soul.You get *paid* for recycling stuff... in the UK it's really hard to recycle,and at best you don't get charged! I recycle as much as I possibly can, butit basically means seperating every sort of material out, and then taking iton a 10 mile drive to a recycling centre, to dump it off... unless you'reclassified as a "business", in which case you have to pay!

(fortunately I'mnot a business!!!!) I sure wish they paid for the stuff in this country -might encourage a few more people to recycle!BBPeter