Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2004 Here's an example scenario: Let's say you learned that for some wierd reason, your life would be cut short ten years or so unless you immediately commenced to eat beef on a daily basis. It would be better, clearly, for you to eat the beef, but worse for all those cows! What to do? Gaije On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 3:44pm, Jo wrote: > It doesn't have to be insane though. Some people just care about > others. > > Jo > > Now Jo, does that seem sane to you? > PJ --gaije Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2004 now you want me to be SANE as well!!?? sheesh no pleasing some folks *inane giggle* its as sane as someone who was vegan up until recently tossing away all her beleifs in one fell swoop and droppin a rottin bird corpse on my kitchen counter as sane as this same person who use to go off on my best friend when she ate chicken because we had a chicken child in our backyard.. sanity is over-rated... and less fun wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fraggle PJ Aug 12, 2004 12:30 PM Re: Re: Imitation Meat Now Jo, does that seem sane to you? PJ I reckon Fraggle got all worked up because he cares so much about other animals - he didn't consider his own health as the most important issue! Jo But still Fraggle, no need to get soooo worked up...have you considered practicing Yoga? "Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." Lots of love, **PJ** To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2004 i guess i'm dying ten yrs earlier then same scenario..yer life is gonna be cut short ten years unless you start to kill yer family and neighbors...its a very rare disease, called "ICAN'TSTANDEVERYONE!!"..so, unless you go on a mass murder spree, yer gonna die of a hangnail ten years earlier... wot do you do?? Gaije Kushner Aug 12, 2004 12:58 PM Re: Re: Imitation Meat Here's an example scenario: Let's say you learned that for some wierd reason, your life would be cut short ten years or so unless you immediately commenced to eat beef on a daily basis. It would be better, clearly, for you to eat the beef, but worse for all those cows! What to do?GaijeOn Thu, 12 Aug 2004 3:44pm, Jo wrote:> It doesn't have to be insane though. Some people just care about > others.>> Jo>> Now Jo, does that seem sane to you?> PJ--gaijeTo send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2004 well..in general folks here are more..open..to other things plus..yer moving into a vegan household..you use to be vegan..wot are you thinking its just underhanded and i think i've wasted all the possibilities in this discussion!!! everyone is different and reacts different cheers fraggle Gaije Kushner Aug 12, 2004 12:52 PM Re: Imitation Meat I can understand all that, just seems like it could have been avoided by being crystal clear with her before she moved in about what the household would and would not tolerate. Plus, never having had much in the way of a veg. community, I'm quite used to being surrounded by things I disagree with in a way that others might not be.GaijeOn Thu, 12 Aug 2004 3:19pm, Jo wrote:> I agree Fraggle. It's a constant reminder of everything you disagree > with - and even more annoying because she lied about it.>> Jo> why do i care?> cuz its in my haus> i'm surrounded by it every day> i had an almost vegan household before...> she said she was vegan before she moved in...then as she was moving > in the story changed> i don't won't to see that crap in my fridge> i don't want to smell it cookin on the stove> its all over my bathroom....thats like someone screaming "look, i > torture bunnies!! wanna see!" over and over and over again> it bothers me...> fair enough?--gaijeTo send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2004 Clearly, killing spree! That's a no brainer! On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 4:10pm, fraggle wrote: > i guess i'm dying ten yrs earlier then same scenario..yer life is gonna be cut short ten years unless you start to kill yer family and neighbors...its a very rare disease, called " ICAN'TSTANDEVERYONE!! " ..so, unless you go on a mass murder spree, yer gonna die of a hangnail ten years earlier... wot do you do?? Gaije Kushner Aug 12, 2004 12:58 PM Re: Re: Imitation Meat Here's an example scenario: Let's say you learned that for some wierd reason, your life would be cut short ten years or so unless you immediately commenced to eat beef on a daily basis. It would be better, clearly, for you to eat the beef, but worse for all those cows! What to do? Gaije On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 3:44pm, Jo wrote: > It doesn't have to be insane though. Some people just care about > others. > > Jo > > Now Jo, does that seem sane to you? > PJ --gaije To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2004 , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > If someone goes from being vegan to being a eater of animals...isn't that the same as going from being civilized to being a savage?? The question is why? throwing away all the civilization is working toward? Like living a vegan life style is some sort of sacrifice? (shaking head in the no jesture ) Simon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2004 We are not having much luck with ours at present. The suggested amounts of soya beans make a very think milk. It is better if you do it once and then add another lot of beans to that milk and do it again, but still tastes strange. The whole process takes about 15-20 minutes, with four grindings. It is simple enough to use - but the cleaning is a little time consuming. Jo Could anybody suggest a retailer that sells soya milk makers? Is the process very complicated, and does it taste as good as the stuff you get in the carton? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2004 This might make an interesting discussion, but it is one we do not need to consider as we know we don't need to live off other animals. JO Here's an example scenario: Let's say you learned that for some wierd reason, your life would be cut short ten years or so unless you immediately commenced to eat beef on a daily basis. It would be better, clearly, for you to eat the beef, but worse for all those cows! What to do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 No, but it is often incovenient and quite expensive! Gaije On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 4:51pm, vegicate12000 wrote: > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > If someone goes from being vegan to being a eater of animals...isn't that the same as going from being civilized to being a savage?? The question is why? throwing away all the civilization is working toward? Like living a vegan life style is some sort of sacrifice? (shaking head in the no jesture ) Simon To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 No, of course not. The point was about valuing oneself v. others, raised by someone or other earlier. Gaije On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 6:18pm, Jo wrote: > This might make an interesting discussion, but it is one we do not need > to consider as we know we don't need to live off other animals. > > JO > > Here's an example scenario: Let's say you learned that for some > wierd > reason, your life would be cut short ten years or so unless you > immediately commenced to eat beef on a daily basis. It would be > better, > clearly, for you to eat the beef, but worse for all those cows! What > to > do? --gaije Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 i should've bottled and sold some of mine the day a kid hurled a chicken nugget at me last year...it was baaaaad.~brii(doesn't "chicken nugget" sound like something that should be fed TO chickens instead of a chunk of their bodies?!) >"Jo" <Heartwork > > >Re: Imitation Meat >Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:20:26 +0100 > >LOL - I wish I could get one - it might come in handy sometimes. > >Jo > - > fraggle > > Thursday, August 12, 2004 6:46 PM > Re: Imitation Meat > > > i got one on sale.... > > > > Jo > Aug 12, 2004 9:25 AM > > Re: Imitation Meat > > > I'm surprised - I never thought of you as having a temper - but it's quite understandable. > > Jo > almost as bad as coming home and finding my ex had givin her friends chicken....on my plates > i broke all the plates > heh > fraggle has a temper at times... > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 passion transcends sanity >PJ <pjsparkles80 > > >Re: Re: Imitation Meat >Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:30:48 -0700 (PDT) > >Now Jo, does that seem sane to you? >PJ > >I reckon Fraggle got all worked up because he cares so much about other animals - he didn't consider his own health as the most important issue! > >Jo > > >But still Fraggle, no need to get soooo worked up...have you considered practicing Yoga? > > > >"Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." > >Lots of love, > **PJ** > > > > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 Ah, so if I don't act insane does that mean that I don't care about others or animals? PJ It doesn't have to be insane though. Some people just care about others. Jo Now Jo, does that seem sane to you? PJ "Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." Lots of love, **PJ** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 Ok, But Edensoy is loaded with Carbs.....and I put in my coffee. As well as have it with Cereal. so I'm intaking like 50grams of carbs just in Soy milk alone. Edensoy or make your own ( sure there are others too!) :)xoTara , PJ <pjsparkles80> wrote:> Ok, so what is a good brand of soy milk? > > > silk is owned by..oh dear bacchus..i forgot the name of the companyy..major dairy meat packing plant...white wave got bought out a number of years ago....> and then there was the whole controversy over them using dairy equipment to process the stuff....different vegans have different standards......> dean foods..thats the compnay> took me a minute.... "Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." Lots of love, **PJ** Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 but I'm not talking about what you want, I'm talking about your own health. Mental health and emotional health. We ALL see things that upset us deeply, but acting exaggeratly just puts your health in danger. Now I'm not saying Fraggle's going to have a heartattack, but if someone keeps on reacting the same way to something that the person sees often, then blood pressure might rise.....so your trying to prove a point by going ballistic, but your own body is what suffers.....am I getting of the subject? Am I explaining myself correctly? PJ It does to me, actually. My own best interest might not be those of a larger group, and I'd at least hope in that circumstance I'd go with the good of the most beings. What I want is not always the most important thing!On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 3:31pm, PJ wrote:> Now Jo, does that seem sane to you?> PJ>> I reckon Fraggle got all worked up because he cares so much about other > animals - he didn't consider his own health as the most important > issue!>> Jo "Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." Lots of love, **PJ** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 LOL...you really shock the hell out me I'll tell you that much!! NO need for you to be sane...I think we all like you like this more..... now you want me to be SANE as well!!?? sheesh no pleasing some folks *inane giggle* its as sane as someone who was vegan up until recently tossing away all her beleifs in one fell swoop and droppin a rottin bird corpse on my kitchen counter as sane as this same person who use to go off on my best friend when she ate chicken because we had a chicken child in our backyard.. sanity is over-rated... and less fun wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fraggle PJ Aug 12, 2004 12:30 PM Re: Re: Imitation Meat Now Jo, does that seem sane to you? PJ I reckon Fraggle got all worked up because he cares so much about other animals - he didn't consider his own health as the most important issue! Jo But still Fraggle, no need to get soooo worked up...have you considered practicing Yoga? "Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." Lots of love, **PJ** Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 If only that weren't true! Gaije On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 6:45am, fartybriivismeisteranushead ta-da! wrote: > passion transcends sanity > PJ <pjsparkles80 > > > Re: Re: Imitation Meat > Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:30:48 -0700 (PDT) > > Now Jo, does that seem sane to you? > PJ > > I reckon Fraggle got all worked up because he cares so much about other > animals - he didn't consider his own health as the most important > issue! > > Jo > > > But still Fraggle, no need to get soooo worked up...have you considered > practicing Yoga? > > > > " Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile. " > > Lots of love, > **PJ** > > > > > > -------------------- FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 No, of course not! It maybe just means you take your meds more consistently than some of us! Gaije On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 8:18am, PJ wrote: > Ah, so if I don't act insane does that mean that I don't care about > others or animals? > PJ > > It doesn't have to be insane though. Some people just care about > others. > > Jo > > Now Jo, does that seem sane to you? > PJ > > > > > " Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile. " > > Lots of love, > **PJ** > > > > > > --gaije Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 I hear you - I think what you're getting at is what I'd describe as wasting time and energy fixating on something of relatively little importance, about which you can do little or nothing, rather than devoting that time and energy to productive action. Something like that, maybe? Gaije On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 8:31am, PJ wrote: > but I'm not talking about what you want, I'm talking about your own > health. Mental health and emotional health. We ALL see things that > upset us deeply, but acting exaggeratly just puts your health in > danger. Now I'm not saying Fraggle's going to have a heartattack, but > if someone keeps on reacting the same way to something that the person > sees often, then blood pressure might rise.....so your trying to prove > a point by going ballistic, but your own body is what suffers.....am I > getting of the subject? Am I explaining myself correctly? > PJ > > It does to me, actually. My own best interest might not be those of a > larger group, and I'd at least hope in that circumstance I'd go with > the > good of the most beings. What I want is not always the most important > thing! > On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 3:31pm, PJ wrote: >> Now Jo, does that seem sane to you? >> PJ >> >> I reckon Fraggle got all worked up because he cares so much about >> other >> animals - he didn't consider his own health as the most important >> issue! >> >> Jo > > > " Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile. " > > Lots of love, > **PJ** > > > > > > --gaije Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 AH jes Gaije, that's what I'm trying to convey.....you hit it on the nose!!! PJ I hear you - I think what you're getting at is what I'd describe as wasting time and energy fixating on something of relatively little importance, about which you can do little or nothing, rather than devoting that time and energy to productive action. Something like that, maybe?GaijeOn Fri, 13 Aug 2004 8:31am, PJ wrote:> but I'm not talking about what you want, I'm talking about your own > health. Mental health and emotional health. We ALL see things that > upset us deeply, but acting exaggeratly just puts your health in > danger. Now I'm not saying Fraggle's going to have a heartattack, but > if someone keeps on reacting the same way to something that the person > sees often, then blood pressure might rise.....so your trying to prove > a point by going ballistic, but your own body is what suffers.....am I > getting of the subject? Am I explaining myself correctly?> PJ>> It does to me, actually. My own best interest might not be those of a> larger group, and I'd at least hope in that circumstance I'd go with > the> good of the most beings. What I want is not always the most important> thing!> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 3:31pm, PJ wrote:>> Now Jo, does that seem sane to you?>> PJ>>>> I reckon Fraggle got all worked up because he cares so much about >> other>> animals - he didn't consider his own health as the most important>> issue!>>>> Jo "Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." Lots of love, **PJ** New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 Well, you know... Brooklyn girls think alike! Gaije On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:17am, PJ wrote: > AH jes Gaije, that's what I'm trying to convey.....you hit it on the > nose!!! > PJ > > > I hear you - I think what you're getting at is what I'd describe as > wasting time and energy fixating on something of relatively little > importance, about which you can do little or nothing, rather than > devoting that time and energy to productive action. Something like > that, maybe? > > Gaije > On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 8:31am, PJ wrote: >> but I'm not talking about what you want, I'm talking about your own >> health. Mental health and emotional health. We ALL see things that >> upset us deeply, but acting exaggeratly just puts your health in >> danger. Now I'm not saying Fraggle's going to have a heartattack, but >> if someone keeps on reacting the same way to something that the person >> sees often, then blood pressure might rise.....so your trying to prove >> a point by going ballistic, but your own body is what suffers.....am I >> getting of the subject? Am I explaining myself correctly? >> PJ >> >> It does to me, actually. My own best interest might not be those of a >> larger group, and I'd at least hope in that circumstance I'd go with >> the >> good of the most beings. What I want is not always the most important >> thing! >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 3:31pm, PJ wrote: >>> Now Jo, does that seem sane to you? >>> PJ >>> >>> I reckon Fraggle got all worked up because he cares so much about >>> other >>> animals - he didn't consider his own health as the most important >>> issue! >>> >>> Jo > > > > " Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile. " > > Lots of love, > **PJ** > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! --gaije Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 Ah yes...that could be it!!! PJ Well, you know... Brooklyn girls think alike!GaijeOn Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:17am, PJ wrote:> AH jes Gaije, that's what I'm trying to convey.....you hit it on the > nose!!!> PJ>>> I hear you - I think what you're getting at is what I'd describe as> wasting time and energy fixating on something of relatively little> importance, about which you can do little or nothing, rather than> devoting that time and energy to productive action. Something like> that, maybe?>> Gaije> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 8:31am, PJ wrote:>> but I'm not talking about what you want, I'm talking about your own>> health. Mental health and emotional health. We ALL see things that>> upset us deeply, but acting exaggeratly just puts your health in>> danger. Now I'm not saying Fraggle's going to have a heartattack, but>> if someone keeps on reacting the same way to something that the person>> sees often, then blood pressure might rise.....so your trying to prove>> a point by going ballistic, but your own body is what suffers.....am I>> getting of the subject? Am I explaining myself correctly?>> PJ>>>> It does to me, actually. My own best interest might not be those of a>> larger group, and I'd at least hope in that circumstance I'd go with>> the>> good of the most beings. What I want is not always the most important>> thing!>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 3:31pm, PJ wrote:>>> Now Jo, does that seem sane to you?>>> PJ>>>>>> I reckon Fraggle got all worked up because he cares so much about>>> other>>> animals - he didn't consider his own health as the most important>>> issue!>>>>>> Jo "Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." Lots of love, **PJ** Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 Carbs? I wasn't aware of that fact.. Even using the correct serving size, it still is 50grams?!! xoTara , PJ <pjsparkles80> wrote: > Ok, But Edensoy is loaded with Carbs.....and I put in my coffee. As well as have it with Cereal. so I'm intaking like 50grams of carbs just in Soy milk alone. > > Edensoy or make your own ( sure there are others too!) > > xoTara > > > , PJ <pjsparkles80> wrote: > > Ok, so what is a good brand of soy milk? > > > > > > silk is owned by..oh dear bacchus..i forgot the name of the companyy..major dairy meat > packing plant...white wave got bought out a number of years ago.... > > and then there was the whole controversy over them using dairy equipment to process > the stuff....different vegans have different standards...... > > dean foods..thats the compnay > > took me a minute.... > > > " Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile. " > > Lots of love, > **PJ** > > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 WEll, at my job they have those little "juice boxes" of Edensoy Vanilla milk, and one of those little boxes are 24 grams of Carbs....and I used one for my Cereal, and one for my coffee (not the whole box for my coffee) So that adds up.... PJ Carbs? I wasn't aware of that fact.. Even using the correct serving size, it still is 50grams?!!xoTara , PJ <pjsparkles80> wrote:> Ok, But Edensoy is loaded with Carbs.....and I put in my coffee. As well as have it with Cereal. so I'm intaking like 50grams of carbs just in Soy milk alone.> > Edensoy or make your own ( sure there are others too!) > > xoTara> > > , PJ <pjsparkles80> wrote:> > Ok, so what is a good brand of soy milk? > > > > > > silk is owned by..oh dear bacchus..i forgot the name of the companyy..major dairy meat > packing plant...white wave got bought out a number of years ago....> > and then there was the whole controversy over them using dairy equipment to process > the stuff....different vegans have different standards......> > dean foods..thats the compnay> > took me a minute.... "Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." Lots of love, **PJ** New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 ya'll ne taking this waaaaaaaaaay tooo seriously... here.. everyone GROUP HUG hahaha got you all in that one.. PJ Aug 13, 2004 5:17 AM Re: Re: Imitation Meat Ah, so if I don't act insane does that mean that I don't care about others or animals? PJ It doesn't have to be insane though. Some people just care about others. Jo Now Jo, does that seem sane to you? PJ "Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." Lots of love, **PJ** To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
