Juicer

[Guest guest]

Hi Annette -

 

I'm happy with my Juiceman, Jr. -- it was around $80.00 and unless

you're juicing for an army, it really does a great job. I had

another juicer (one that came out about 8 years ago) ... retired that

baby as even the entry level machines of 'today' extract so much more

juice and are less bother.

 

Good luck in your hunt!

 

Regards, ...... - Ann -

 

, " achess " <achess@i...> wrote:

> Hi friends...I was wondering if anyone had some good

> leads on a good juicer out there that is reasonable in

> price? I've been wanting to get a good one for awhile

> but they seem to be over $200. Any suggestions would

> be GREAT!!!

> Thanks

> Annette

[Guest guest]

Annette,

 

I used to have a " cheap " juicer & hated it because it wouldn't always

juice all of the vegetable & also, I always had to cut them to fit.

I found it to be incredibly time consuming & very annoying. I saved

up & bought a regular Juiceman Juicer & I couldn't be happier. It

saves lots of money by juicing all of the vegetable (none wasted) & I

can juice in less than half the time. The slot is much bigger, so

cutting veggies down to size is something I do much less. Especially

carrots, they fit great & you can stick quite a few in at a time,

depending on the size. Just a couple of things to consider when

shopping for one. I think the Juiceman Juicer is well worth every

cent I paid for it.

 

Dahmen

 

, " achess " <achess@i...> wrote:

> Hi friends...I was wondering if anyone had some good

> leads on a good juicer out there that is reasonable in

> price? I've been wanting to get a good one for awhile

> but they seem to be over $200. Any suggestions would

> be GREAT!!!

> Thanks

> Annette

[Guest guest]

, " achess " <achess@i...> wrote:

> Hi friends...I was wondering if anyone had some good

> leads on a good juicer out there that is reasonable in

> price? I've been wanting to get a good one for awhile

> but they seem to be over $200. Any suggestions would

> be GREAT!!!

> Thanks

> Annette

 

Marie and I wore out 2 juiceman juniors. We bought an Omega and are

happy with it. Take this link. It gives good info on selection of

several different juicers. http://www.juicing.com/juicer.htm

 

Tod Pellaton

[Guest guest]

Hi Renata, a couple of questions that will help us help you.

 

1. What do you consider " reasonable " ?

 

2. What kind of juice do you want to produce, veg, fruit, citrus,

wheatgrass? Because some do things better than others.

 

Personally we like the Green Star, I wouldn't have any other. A friend

has a Samson Juicer and she wouldn't trade it for the world . Still another

has the Juiceman and for what she does it works well for her. So it

really depends on what type of juicing you want to do.

 

Chris

 

 

[Guest guest]

The best and most resonable I think is the Solo Star Juicer. It makes perfect

nut butters, green and frui juicers, wheatgrass, and ice creams! The lowest

price online is like $229.99. I sell them at $194.99 with free shipping!

Let me know if you would like to buy one!

 

Alex

www.rawguru.com

 

Nutritionist4U wrote:

 

HI

 

which juicer do you all reccommend? I am not sure which one is the best for

a reasonable price.

 

thanks

 

Renata

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm looking for a juicer too Chris and am just starting to read up on them.

The $800+++ juicers I've already scratched off my list and am looking at the

$250 +/- ones. I want to mainly juice leafy greens and wheatgrass, along

with the few odd carrots and apples. Which ones do you recommend for this

kind of usage? ~Amber

 

>

>

> Hi Renata, a couple of questions that will help us help you.

>

> 1. What do you consider " reasonable " ?

>

> 2. What kind of juice do you want to produce, veg, fruit, citrus,

> wheatgrass? Because some do things better than others.

>

> Personally we like the Green Star, I wouldn't have any other. A friend

> has a Samson Juicer and she wouldn't trade it for the world . Still

another

> has the Juiceman and for what she does it works well for her. So it

> really depends on what type of juicing you want to do.

>

> Chris

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Alex,

 

Do you have these for sale all the time? I am very interested in this juicer

and also the blender that you mentioned a while back. I have a Champion juicer

and am not happy with the nut butter produced and it gets very hot after making

just a little bit. I am using a manual wheatgrass juicer. I hope to have the

money for either the juicer or blender in a few weeks and the other after

Christmas. I think I need the juicer most since it is difficult to grind the

wheatgrass by hand now and I am addicted to almond and hazlenut butter. Anyhow,

I am pretty sure you have a potential customer here tho Jim has the final say so

since he earns the money.

 

CaraLea

 

-

Alex Malinsky

rawfood

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:53 AM

Re: [Raw Food] juicer

 

 

The best and most resonable I think is the Solo Star Juicer. It makes perfect

nut butters, green and frui juicers, wheatgrass, and ice creams! The lowest

price online is like $229.99. I sell them at $194.99 with free shipping!

Let me know if you would like to buy one!

 

Alex

www.rawguru.com

 

Nutritionist4U wrote:

 

HI

 

which juicer do you all reccommend? I am not sure which one is the best for

a reasonable price.

 

thanks

 

Renata

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Personally I would recommend the Green Star 3000 but that's a little higher than

what you listed as the range your looking at. I would recommend going to this

site http://www.discountjuicers.com/demo/ and check out the videos of the

various juicers and look at the various videos and information links. Don't get

in a hurry to get one just to have one. Take your time and talk to folks that

have the various machines and get their honest feedback.

 

I'll give you my take on the green star. Great machine for green leafy begis,

root vegi's etc. I was told and the literature says it's Not the best machine

in the world for citrus but it does it quite well. I like it better thean the

juicman that juiced things with the spnning basket thing with small blades in it

and that won't work well for wheat grass.

 

Now I was told the green star was hard to clean taking 15 - 20 min. It

doesn't take that long. The twin gears don't heat the juice like the juiceman

juicer so nutrients aren't lost. Many of the machines listed at the site have

twin gears or single gears this squeezes the juice out not tearing up the vegi

and fruit like some of the others.

 

We use the pulp that is extruded for fiber in cooking. You can also put it back

through the machine if you think there may be a little more juice you can get

out of it.

 

So I would recommend not taking just one persons opinion, getting a many

opinions and studying as much material as possible the site above gives you a

start and there are groups on and MSN that are dedicated to Juiceing, they

can provide you with a lot of feedback and information as well.

 

My wife and I made a decision that this was basically preventive medicine and we

couldn't put a pricetag on our health So while Ioriginally wanted to go with the

cheapest we could get by with I changed my mind after talking to folks and

studying to pay the additional $$. So we waited a little bit longer to get the

additional $$ and purchased the machine we have. We use it all the time and even

take the juicer to church for use there during potlucks .

 

Hope this helps.

 

Chris

 

-

Stargazer

rawfood

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:55 AM

Re: [Raw Food] juicer

 

 

I'm looking for a juicer too Chris and am just starting to read up on them.

The $800+++ juicers I've already scratched off my list and am looking at the

$250 +/- ones. I want to mainly juice leafy greens and wheatgrass, along

with the few odd carrots and apples. Which ones do you recommend for this

kind of usage? ~Amber

 

>

>

> Hi Renata, a couple of questions that will help us help you.

>

> 1. What do you consider " reasonable " ?

>

> 2. What kind of juice do you want to produce, veg, fruit, citrus,

> wheatgrass? Because some do things better than others.

>

> Personally we like the Green Star, I wouldn't have any other. A friend

> has a Samson Juicer and she wouldn't trade it for the world . Still

another

> has the Juiceman and for what she does it works well for her. So it

> really depends on what type of juicing you want to do.

>

> Chris

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi CaraLea.

Yes, I have all these for sale all the time. In about 1-2 weeks my equipment

site will be up. It's www.rawfoodequipment.com -not up yet

Yea, my first juicer was a champion, now I have a solostar and it's rawsome! It

makes superb cool nut butters, wheatgrass, and all that other yummy stuff. Let

me know when you need anything, I ship same day as you order and give you a

tracking number right away, so you know exactly when you are gonna get your

item.

 

Have the best day ever!

Alex

 

CaraLea <caralea wrote:Hi Alex,

 

Do you have these for sale all the time? I am very interested in this juicer

and also the blender that you mentioned a while back. I have a Champion juicer

and am not happy with the nut butter produced and it gets very hot after making

just a little bit. I am using a manual wheatgrass juicer. I hope to have the

money for either the juicer or blender in a few weeks and the other after

Christmas. I think I need the juicer most since it is difficult to grind the

wheatgrass by hand now and I am addicted to almond and hazlenut butter. Anyhow,

I am pretty sure you have a potential customer here tho Jim has the final say so

since he earns the money.

 

CaraLea

 

-

Alex Malinsky

rawfood

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:53 AM

Re: [Raw Food] juicer

 

 

The best and most resonable I think is the Solo Star Juicer. It makes perfect

nut butters, green and frui juicers, wheatgrass, and ice creams! The lowest

price online is like $229.99. I sell them at $194.99 with free shipping!

Let me know if you would like to buy one!

 

Alex

www.rawguru.com

 

Nutritionist4U wrote:

 

HI

 

which juicer do you all reccommend? I am not sure which one is the best for

a reasonable price.

 

thanks

 

Renata

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hey Chris, why the 3000 model?

The only difference between the 1000 and 3000 is that the 3000 comes with all

those attachments that raw foodists don't even use. Don't waste your money on a

3000, if you really want a greenstar juicer, get the 1000 model. I sell them for

$347.99 plus free shipping.

In my experience the greenstar gears are tough to clean after something oily

like when making nut butter and also the machine is too bulky.... Read the

below article why a Samson or SoloStar is just as good or even better than a

Greenstar juicer.

 

Samson Is Superior to Green Star and Costs LessPlease beware of Juicer

Comparison charts on some web sites like the chart below. Using Green Star's own

chart, fact-by-fact I show that the Samson is far superior on every count –

quicker to clean, gives you non-foamy juice, smoother baby foods and sorbets,

and actual raw nut butters (not the Green Star's nut powders).

Everyone agrees the Green Star is a PAIN to clean, really tedious to scrub and

scrub and scrub, especially the screens and twin gears, while the Samson juicer

is a one-minute rinse.

Twin gear of Green Star juicer – time-consuming to clean all the pulp fibers

out of pocket recess in every tooth of both gears plus I'm told the screens are

such a pain to scrub and scrub. Single screw of Samson juicer – quick to clean,

pulp easily washes off, no inaccessible fibers.When cleaning takes a long time,

you don't juice as often as you should, or would love.

Worse still, at the core of each Green Star twin gear is a series of in-line

magnets that produce a focused magnetic field of 2600 gauss through which the

juice flows. I'm sorry, but I do *not* want a force on the level of physics to

alter the sub-atomic structure of my juice. This denaturing of Nature's

perfectly balanced chemistry is the very thing raw foodists are *against.*

The Samson simply crushes or extracts the fiber, depending on whether you're

making fat-free dessert or fresh juice. This is a physical change, not chemical.

There's no stripping of electrons (which the heat of centrifugal juicers does)

and there's no adding of electrons (which magnetism does).

The gentle grinding of the Samson auger (screw) cannot break the forces holding

electrons in place. The only forces strong enough to shove electrons around are

those on the level of physics, like heat, pressure, light, and magnetism. These

are the forces that food factories use.

Green Star mentions a " 72 Hour Fresh Juice Stability Study " which showed " the

lowest bacteria proliferation. " This to me is scary. If the bacteria don't want

it, I don't want it. If the enzymes in microbes can't break down the food, then

the enzymes in my body will have an equally tough time. This is true whether

we're talking breakfast cereal or juice.

Facts on Juicer Comparison ChartLet's compare the newest Green Power model, the

Green Star, with the powerful Samson. To me, both the Samson and Green Star

juicers are masticating juicers – masticate means to grind or crush, e.g. you

masticate food between your teeth.

The Green Power chart above claims Green Star is the only juicer with:

Low Operating RPM (revolutions per minute) – in fact Samson is lower at 80

rpm, Green Star is 110 rpm.

Dry Pulp – Samson is the only juicer with adjustable *three* squeezing

strengths in drum cap to ensure driest pulp.

Low Heat and Physical Shock – Samson has thermal overload protection that

switches motor off, if it gets too hot. This is why Samson's motor warranty is

double that of Green Star (Samson 10 years, Green Star 5 years).

High Nutrient and Enzyme Content – the least oxidation occurs with the lowest

RPM, so Samson's 80 rpm retains the maximum nutrients. Plus Green Star alters

the sub-atomic structure (adds electrons through magnetism) which would denature

the nutrients.

Long Lasting Juice – this is NOT a benefit. No raw foodist wants to extend

the shelf life of their food. If we did, we'd eat pasta and breakfast cereal

instead of wheatgrass juice, fresh fruits and just-picked greens.

Pulp-Free Juice – Samson juice is pulpier and this to me is a benefit (pulp

helps to sweep debris from colon, like a broom) or use Samson's strainer to

separate the pulp.

Juices Wheat Grass – Samson juice is as good as a dedicated wheatgrass

juicer, whereas Green Star creates excess foam in wheatgrass juice.

Juices Herbs (sage, horsetail) – so does Samson, and in addition Samson and

Omega 8002 are the only juicers that juice aloe vera leaves and pine needles (if

you have a hankering for pine).

Juices Fruit – the Green Star twin gears *require* the fiber in veggies to

push the pulp through the machine, or it backs up. Samson's single gear easily

handles soft fruits like kiwi and melon. Plus Samson juices sugar cane, Green

Star will not. Both juicers juice all vegetables, including celery and green

leaves.

Low Noise Operation – I haven't heard both, but the rule of thumb is: the

faster a juicer turns (revolutions per minute or rpm) the louder the machine.

Samson is 80 rpm, Green Star 110, so my bet is on Samson as the quieter. Compare

Champion at 2,700 rpm and centrifugal ejection juicers at 7,000 rpm.

Easy to Operate and Clean – give me a break, look at the photo of twin gears

above. Green Star is toughest of all juicers to clean. As for easy to operate,

one web site comparing all juicers, states: " These machines [Green Star, Green

Power] are not for the faint or frail hearted as some pressure is needed to feed

the produce into the machine. " I can imagine, with those interlocking twin

gears.

Makes Pasta – Samson comes with two nozzles for both pasta and noodles, Green

Star has only one pasta screw.

Makes Nut Butters – the same site that sells all juicers (their price for

Samson is $269 with shipping) writes: " I have tried making RAW almond butter in

the Samson, it turned out fairly well, and in the Green Star, it basically

turned the almonds into powder... not quite a butter. " I make very quick and

easy nut-butters of the soft " wet " nuts like macedamia, walnut, pecan, in my

Samson – these nuts don't grind in a coffee grinder, as almond will – and

there's no sticky mess to clean up.

Makes Baby Food and Desserts – both Samson and Green Star produce creamy

fruit sorbets from frozen fruit (they're delicious, like frozen yogurt) but the

same site that tested both writes: " Samson seems to get the sorbets a bit more

" fine " than the Green Star. " This would apply to baby foods too.

Accessories Included – all are included with the Samson special here at $219.

For Green Star, it depends on which model you buy.

Warranty – Samson is 10 years on motor, 5 years on parts, Green Star is 5

years on motor and parts, Green Power is 2 years on motor and parts.

AND Green Star makes you pay for magnetized juice –

Magnetic Technology – A Note on Altering Electron Structure Through MagnetismWe

Are Living Miracles. How does it all work? The magic of a heart beating in

perfect rhythm? A heart that loses its rhythm in a heart attack feels like a

million squiggly eels in your hand.

It’s chemistry. One atom marries another atom or divorces it. How do they decide

whether to kiss or run? Usually one atom needs an electron and the other has one

to give, so they stay together and share the electron.

What’s critical to the union of our two young atoms is that the electron they

share must be in the right place, facing the right direction.

It’s as if when squeezed in the rush hour train, your cheek can stick to the

person next to you (a) if you’re both the same height – that’s electron place or

position, and (b) if your left cheek is next to her or his right cheek, but

*not* left cheek – that’s electron direction or orientation.

But it takes energy for your two cheeks to stick together. We don’t collapse in

the arms of just anyone, unless we have a heart attack. We make a calculated

move only toward the cheek we want.

In our body, enzymes provide this energy. Enzymes bring atoms together and split

them up. Matchmaker, matchmaker, make me a match!

Enzymes are factory slaves, forced to work on strict assembly lines. Each enzyme

performs only one job over and over, sometimes millions of times a minute – it's

reaction-specific. And each enzyme does its job with only one molecule of a

specific structure – it's substrate-specific.

Change electron position and orientation, and you change the structure of the

molecule, the substrate. How can your enzyme then work on it?

Our enzymes evolved over billions of years to work on molecules as they occur in

nature with their structures unaltered by human machines, chemicals,

irradiation, or magnetism.

When you cook food (or magnetize it, or irradiate it) the electrons are pushed

out of position and orientation, so your enzymes have a tough time connecting

with them. With electrons all squiff, it's not easy for an enzyme to slice a

molecule in two, e.g. when digesting your food. And it's not easy for an enzyme

to marry two molecules into one to build your bone, blood, nerves, hair,

thoughts, feelings, all the magic of you!

This is why Ann Wigmore insisted on 100% raw organic foods for healing. Only the

physical forces of blending, or juicing with a low rpm juicer like the Samson,

are permissible. For a *physical* force – such as the Samson's crushing or

mincing action – to alter electrons would be like cleaning your fingernails with

a steam-roller. It's impossible (thank you to Dr. Udo Erasmus, author of Fats

That Heal, Fats That Kill, for giving me this analogy over the telephone, when

discussing blending). Only sub-atomic *physics* forces, like magnetism, can pull

electrons apart.

With the Samson juicer, the position and orientation of each electron, so

critical to chemical reactions, stays the way it is in Nature, in perfect

balance.

That's my understanding... And that's why I chose the Samson, because I trust my

Knowledge.

 

 

Chris Williams <chris_williams67 wrote:

Personally I would recommend the Green Star 3000 but that's a little higher than

what you listed as the range your looking at. I would recommend going to this

site http://www.discountjuicers.com/demo/ and check out the videos of the

various juicers and look at the various videos and information links. Don't get

in a hurry to get one just to have one. Take your time and talk to folks that

have the various machines and get their honest feedback.

 

I'll give you my take on the green star. Great machine for green leafy begis,

root vegi's etc. I was told and the literature says it's Not the best machine

in the world for citrus but it does it quite well. I like it better thean the

juicman that juiced things with the spnning basket thing with small blades in it

and that won't work well for wheat grass.

 

Now I was told the green star was hard to clean taking 15 - 20 min. It

doesn't take that long. The twin gears don't heat the juice like the juiceman

juicer so nutrients aren't lost. Many of the machines listed at the site have

twin gears or single gears this squeezes the juice out not tearing up the vegi

and fruit like some of the others.

 

We use the pulp that is extruded for fiber in cooking. You can also put it back

through the machine if you think there may be a little more juice you can get

out of it.

 

So I would recommend not taking just one persons opinion, getting a many

opinions and studying as much material as possible the site above gives you a

start and there are groups on and MSN that are dedicated to Juiceing, they

can provide you with a lot of feedback and information as well.

 

My wife and I made a decision that this was basically preventive medicine and we

couldn't put a pricetag on our health So while Ioriginally wanted to go with the

cheapest we could get by with I changed my mind after talking to folks and

studying to pay the additional $$. So we waited a little bit longer to get the

additional $$ and purchased the machine we have. We use it all the time and even

take the juicer to church for use there during potlucks .

 

Hope this helps.

 

Chris

 

-

Stargazer

rawfood

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:55 AM

Re: [Raw Food] juicer

 

 

I'm looking for a juicer too Chris and am just starting to read up on them.

The $800+++ juicers I've already scratched off my list and am looking at the

$250 +/- ones. I want to mainly juice leafy greens and wheatgrass, along

with the few odd carrots and apples. Which ones do you recommend for this

kind of usage? ~Amber

 

>

>

> Hi Renata, a couple of questions that will help us help you.

>

> 1. What do you consider " reasonable " ?

>

> 2. What kind of juice do you want to produce, veg, fruit, citrus,

> wheatgrass? Because some do things better than others.

>

> Personally we like the Green Star, I wouldn't have any other. A friend

> has a Samson Juicer and she wouldn't trade it for the world . Still

another

> has the Juiceman and for what she does it works well for her. So it

> really depends on what type of juicing you want to do.

>

> Chris

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI

 

does anyone know the difference between all the omega model juicers?

 

Thanks

 

Renata

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The reason we went for the 3000 is that not everyone in the our house are

raw foodists and at the time of purchase none were. So it's kind of an

evolving thing with the family. It's interesting we have 1 following a Raw

diet about 99% of the time, 1 O/L Vegetarian, 1 Vegan and 2 ASD (american

standard diet). So to meet the needs of ALL we went with the 3000. My

friends have a Samson, both Vegans but not Raw Foodists and they love it, it

meets the needs of their family..

 

The points you bring out about the charts and in the article is absolutely

correct. Marketing and competition makes it so each manufacturer is going to

make their product look the best in their advertisements and comparison

charts. As you point out, you really have to read the fine print (or find

out through some other source) to see just how they arrived at their

conclusion on the chart. You can set the criteria of any test so nobody's

machine will match yours even though theirs may truly be better. It's all

marketing mixed with truth based upon a very narrow perspective. That's

why I always recommend that folks talk to as many people as they can because

each person has a different criterion upon which they base their opinion of

their machine, Check out as many machines as possible. Look at the machines

if possible, in person, If ask the store clerks if you can take them apart

and see just how easy or hard it will be to disassemble, clean and

reassemble. Some will go along with you and others won't. When they won't I

just go to another store and ask them. If I decide to buy I'll go to the

one that gave me the best service (and allowed me to play with the display

model.. I recommend folks educate themselves on all aspects of the subject

(you cited Ann Wigmore she an exceptional source of information on the

subject). Folks need to determine what their specific needs are and then

determine which machine meets those needs and stays within the confines of

their budget. Sometimes it may take a compromize in either features or

budget but only the individual purchasing the item can make that decision.

So that's why the 3000 I followed the steps I listed and because of the

needs of the family at that particualr point in time the 3000 was ( in my

opinion) met the needs of my family and my budget.

 

I do appreicate the article you sent, I'm going to save it for when my

friends ask me about juicers. I can print it out for them. Thanks,

 

Chris

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

What do you all think of the juiceman Jr? I bouhg tone and the lid cracked

within 1 week !! otherwise it seems good. I used to own a champion but its

too hard to clean. What about the omega juicer , which model is the best?

 

Renata

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Alex,

I switched from Champion to Green Life about 5 years ago. I couldn't believe the

taste difference between the two when I first got it, wonderful. The green life

is horrible to clean though, many times when I come home from work and I am

tired I just don't make juice because i don't feel like going through the

cleaning process. The green life has let me down on the fruit juice front also

(not that the champion did any better) when I try to make peach juice it bubbles

up and makes a terrible mess. My friend I juiced with for some time asked my

opinion on juicers and I told him the champion heats the food to much but the

green life doesn't so he decided on a green life, but he didn't get a green life

it wasn't available any longer he got a green star we tried the two right next

to each other and the green star was more fragile and less heavy duty. All in

all I feel like some of the green life reputation is hype.

I like to make fruit juice in the summer so this is important to me, you say the

samson has no problem with this? The green life doesn't have a problem making

the juice either its just messy as hell, and the samson?

-k

 

 

 

" When I gave food to the poor, they called me a saint; but when I asked why

people are poor, they called me a communist. "

-Brazilian Bishop Don Helder Camara

 

 

:  Hey Chris, why the 3000 model?

:  The only difference between the 1000 and 3000 is that the 3000 comes with

:  all those attachments that raw foodists don't even use. Don't waste your

:  money on a 3000, if you really want a greenstar juicer, get the 1000

:  model. I sell them for $347.99 plus free shipping.

:  In my experience the greenstar gears are tough to clean after something

:  oily like when making nut butter and also the machine is too bulky....  

:  Read the below article why a Samson or SoloStar is just as good or even

:  better than a Greenstar juicer.

:  Samson Is Superior to Green Star and Costs LessPlease beware of Juicer

:  Comparison charts on some web sites like the chart below. Using Green

:  Star's own chart, fact-by-fact I show that the Samson is far superior on

:  every count – quicker to clean, gives you non-foamy juice, smoother baby

:  foods and sorbets, and actual raw nut butters (not the Green Star's nut

:  powders).

:  Everyone agrees the Green Star is a PAIN to clean, really tedious to scrub

:  and scrub and scrub, especially the screens and twin gears, while the

:  Samson juicer is a one-minute rinse.

:  Twin gear of Green Star juicer – time-consuming to clean all the pulp

:  fibers out of pocket recess in every tooth of both gears plus I'm told the

:  screens are such a pain to scrub and scrub. Single screw of Samson juicer

:  – quick to clean, pulp easily washes off, no inaccessible fibers.When

:  cleaning takes a long time, you don't juice as often as you should, or

:  would love.

:  Worse still, at the core of each Green Star twin gear is a series of in-

:  line magnets that produce a focused magnetic field of 2600 gauss through

:  which the juice flows. I'm sorry, but I do *not* want a force on the level

:  of physics to alter the sub-atomic structure of my juice. This denaturing

:  of Nature's perfectly balanced chemistry is the very thing raw foodists

:  are *against.*

:  The Samson simply crushes or extracts the fiber, depending on whether

:  you're making fat-free dessert or fresh juice. This is a physical change,

:  not chemical. There's no stripping of electrons (which the heat of

:  centrifugal juicers does) and there's no adding of electrons (which

:  magnetism does).

:  The gentle grinding of the Samson auger (screw) cannot break the forces

:  holding electrons in place. The only forces strong enough to shove

:  electrons around are those on the level of physics, like heat, pressure,

:  light, and magnetism. These are the forces that food factories use.

:  Green Star mentions a " 72 Hour Fresh Juice Stability Study " which showed

:   " the lowest bacteria proliferation. " This to me is scary. If the bacteria

:  don't want it, I don't want it. If the enzymes in microbes can't break

:  down the food, then the enzymes in my body will have an equally tough

:  time. This is true whether we're talking breakfast cereal or juice.

:  Facts on Juicer Comparison ChartLet's compare the newest Green Power

:  model, the Green Star, with the powerful Samson. To me, both the Samson

:  and Green Star juicers are masticating juicers – masticate means to grind

:  or crush, e.g. you masticate food between your teeth.

:  The Green Power chart above claims Green Star is the only juicer with:

:  Low Operating RPM (revolutions per minute) – in fact Samson is lower at 80

:  rpm, Green Star is 110 rpm.

:  Dry Pulp – Samson is the only juicer with adjustable *three* squeezing

:  strengths in drum cap to ensure driest pulp.

:  Low Heat and Physical Shock – Samson has thermal overload protection that

:  switches motor off, if it gets too hot. This is why Samson's motor

:  warranty is double that of Green Star (Samson 10 years, Green Star 5

:  years).

:  High Nutrient and Enzyme Content – the least oxidation occurs with the

:  lowest RPM, so Samson's 80 rpm retains the maximum nutrients. Plus Green

:  Star alters the sub-atomic structure (adds electrons through magnetism)

:  which would denature the nutrients.

:  Long Lasting Juice – this is NOT a benefit. No raw foodist wants to extend

:  the shelf life of their food. If we did, we'd eat pasta and breakfast

:  cereal instead of wheatgrass juice, fresh fruits and just-picked greens.

:  Pulp-Free Juice – Samson juice is pulpier and this to me is a benefit

:  (pulp helps to sweep debris from colon, like a broom) or use Samson's

:  strainer to separate the pulp.

:  Juices Wheat Grass – Samson juice is as good as a dedicated wheatgrass

:  juicer, whereas Green Star creates excess foam in wheatgrass juice.

:  Juices Herbs (sage, horsetail) – so does Samson, and in addition Samson

:  and Omega 8002 are the only juicers that juice aloe vera leaves and pine

:  needles (if you have a hankering for pine).

:  Juices Fruit – the Green Star twin gears *require* the fiber in veggies to

:  push the pulp through the machine, or it backs up. Samson's single gear

:  easily handles soft fruits like kiwi and melon. Plus Samson juices sugar

:  cane, Green Star will not. Both juicers juice all vegetables, including

:  celery and green leaves.

:  Low Noise Operation – I haven't heard both, but the rule of thumb is: the

:  faster a juicer turns (revolutions per minute or rpm) the louder the

:  machine. Samson is 80 rpm, Green Star 110, so my bet is on Samson as the

:  quieter. Compare Champion at 2,700 rpm and centrifugal ejection juicers at

:  7,000 rpm.

:  Easy to Operate and Clean – give me a break, look at the photo of twin

:  gears above. Green Star is toughest of all juicers to clean. As for easy

:  to operate, one web site comparing all juicers, states: " These machines

:  [Green Star, Green Power] are not for the faint or frail hearted as some

:  pressure is needed to feed the produce into the machine. " I can imagine,

:  with those interlocking twin gears.

:  Makes Pasta – Samson comes with two nozzles for both pasta and noodles,

:  Green Star has only one pasta screw.

:  Makes Nut Butters – the same site that sells all juicers (their price for

:  Samson is $269 with shipping) writes: " I have tried making RAW almond

:  butter in the Samson, it turned out fairly well, and in the Green Star, it

:  basically turned the almonds into powder... not quite a butter. " I make

:  very quick and easy nut-butters of the soft " wet " nuts like macedamia,

:  walnut, pecan, in my Samson – these nuts don't grind in a coffee grinder,

:  as almond will – and there's no sticky mess to clean up.

:  Makes Baby Food and Desserts – both Samson and Green Star produce creamy

:  fruit sorbets from frozen fruit (they're delicious, like frozen yogurt)

:  but the same site that tested both writes: " Samson seems to get the

:  sorbets a bit more " fine " than the Green Star. " This would apply to baby

:  foods too.

:  Accessories Included – all are included with the Samson special here at

:  $219. For Green Star, it depends on which model you buy.

:  Warranty – Samson is 10 years on motor, 5 years on parts, Green Star is 5

:  years on motor and parts, Green Power is 2 years on motor and parts.

:  AND Green Star makes you pay for magnetized juice –

:  Magnetic Technology – A Note on Altering Electron Structure Through

:  MagnetismWe Are Living Miracles. How does it all work? The magic of a

:  heart beating in perfect rhythm? A heart that loses its rhythm in a heart

:  attack feels like a million squiggly eels in your hand.

:  It’s chemistry. One atom marries another atom or divorces it. How do they

:  decide whether to kiss or run? Usually one atom needs an electron and the

:  other has one to give, so they stay together and share the electron.

:  What’s critical to the union of our two young atoms is that the electron

:  they share must be in the right place, facing the right direction.

:  It’s as if when squeezed in the rush hour train, your cheek can stick to

:  the person next to you (a) if you’re both the same height – that’s

:  electron place or position, and (b) if your left cheek is next to her or

:  his right cheek, but *not* left cheek – that’s electron direction or

:  orientation.

:  But it takes energy for your two cheeks to stick together. We don’t

:  collapse in the arms of just anyone, unless we have a heart attack. We

:  make a calculated move only toward the cheek we want.

:  In our body, enzymes provide this energy. Enzymes bring atoms together and

:  split them up. Matchmaker, matchmaker, make me a match!

:  Enzymes are factory slaves, forced to work on strict assembly lines. Each

:  enzyme performs only one job over and over, sometimes millions of times a

:  minute – it's reaction-specific. And each enzyme does its job with only

:  one molecule of a specific structure – it's substrate-specific.

:  Change electron position and orientation, and you change the structure of

:  the molecule, the substrate. How can your enzyme then work on it?

:  Our enzymes evolved over billions of years to work on molecules as they

:  occur in nature with their structures unaltered by human machines,

:  chemicals,  irradiation, or magnetism.

:  When you cook food (or magnetize it, or irradiate it) the electrons are

:  pushed out of position and orientation, so your enzymes have a tough time

:  connecting with them. With electrons all squiff, it's not easy for an

:  enzyme to slice a molecule in two, e.g. when digesting your food. And it's

:  not easy for an enzyme to marry two molecules into one to build your bone,

:  blood, nerves, hair, thoughts, feelings, all the magic of you!

:  This is why Ann Wigmore insisted on 100% raw organic foods for healing.

:  Only the physical forces of blending, or juicing with a low rpm juicer

:  like the Samson, are permissible. For a *physical* force – such as the

:  Samson's crushing or mincing action – to alter electrons would be like

:  cleaning your fingernails with a steam-roller. It's impossible (thank you

:  to Dr. Udo Erasmus, author of Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill, for giving

:  me this analogy over the telephone, when discussing blending). Only sub-

:  atomic *physics* forces, like magnetism, can pull electrons apart.

:  With the Samson juicer, the position and orientation of each electron, so

:  critical to chemical reactions, stays the way it is in Nature, in perfect

:  balance.

:  That's my understanding... And that's why I chose the Samson, because I

:  trust my Knowledge.

:  

:  Chris Williams <chris_williams67 wrote:

:  Personally I would recommend the Green Star 3000 but that's a little

:  higher than what you listed as the range your looking at.  I would

:  recommend going to this site http://www.discountjuicers.com/demo/ and

:  check out the videos of the various juicers and look at the various videos

:  and information links.  Don't get in a hurry to get one just to have one.  

:  Take your time and talk to folks that have the various machines and get

:  their honest feedback.

:  I'll give you my take on the green star.  Great machine for green leafy

:  begis,  root vegi's etc.  I was told and the literature says it's Not the

:  best machine in the world for citrus but it does it quite well. I like it

:  better thean the juicman that juiced things with the spnning basket thing

:  with small blades in it and that won't work well for wheat grass.

:  Now I was told the green star was hard to clean taking 15 - 20 min.  It

:  doesn't take that long.   The twin gears don't heat the juice like the

:  juiceman juicer so nutrients aren't lost.  Many of the machines listed at

:  the site have twin gears or single gears this squeezes the juice out not

:  tearing up the vegi and fruit like some of the others.

:  We use the pulp that is extruded for fiber in cooking.  You can also put

:  it back through the machine if you think there may be a little more juice

:  you can get out of it.

:  So I would recommend not taking just one persons opinion, getting a many

:  opinions and studying as much material as possible the site above gives

:  you a start and there are groups on and MSN that are dedicated to

:  Juiceing, they can provide you with a lot of feedback and information as

:  well.

:  My wife and I made a decision that this was basically preventive medicine

:  and we couldn't put a pricetag on our health So while Ioriginally wanted

:  to go with the cheapest we could get by with I changed my mind after

:  talking to folks and studying to pay the additional $$.  So we waited a

:  little bit longer to get the additional $$ and purchased the machine we

:  have. We use it all the time and even take the juicer to church for use

:  there during potlucks .

:  Hope this helps.

:  Chris

:  -

:  Stargazer

:  rawfood

:  Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:55 AM

:  Re: [Raw Food] juicer

:  

:  I'm looking for a juicer too Chris and am just starting to read up on them.

:  The $800+++ juicers I've already scratched off my list and am looking at

:  the

:  $250 +/- ones.  I want to mainly juice leafy greens and wheatgrass, along

:  with the few odd carrots and apples.  Which ones do you recommend for this

:  kind of usage?  ~Amber

: :  

: :  Hi Renata,   a couple of questions that will help us help you.

: :  1. What do you consider " reasonable " ?

: :  2. What kind of juice do you want to produce, veg, fruit, citrus,

: :  wheatgrass?  Because some do things better than others.

: :  Personally we  like the Green Star, I wouldn't have any other.  A  

: :  friend

: :  has a Samson Juicer  and she wouldn't trade it for the world . Still

:  another

: :  has the Juiceman and for what she does it works well for her.    So it

: :  really depends on what type of juicing you want to do.

: :  Chris

: :  

[Guest guest]

Hey Karl,

The Samson and the Solostar can do fruit juices better than the twin gear

juicers in my opionion and the tests I have done. But for fruit, I think the

champion is great. If you put cold fruit through the champion, it doesn't have

time to heat up. So, I guess there are no perfect juicers on the market. Maybe,

I should be the first one to make one!

 

Alex

www.rawguru.com

www.rawfoodchat.com

 

 

Karl Anderson <carlo7 wrote:

Hi Alex,

I switched from Champion to Green Life about 5 years ago. I couldn't believe the

taste difference between the two when I first got it, wonderful. The green life

is horrible to clean though, many times when I come home from work and I am

tired I just don't make juice because i don't feel like going through the

cleaning process. The green life has let me down on the fruit juice front also

(not that the champion did any better) when I try to make peach juice it bubbles

up and makes a terrible mess. My friend I juiced with for some time asked my

opinion on juicers and I told him the champion heats the food to much but the

green life doesn't so he decided on a green life, but he didn't get a green life

it wasn't available any longer he got a green star we tried the two right next

to each other and the green star was more fragile and less heavy duty. All in

all I feel like some of the green life reputation is hype.

I like to make fruit juice in the summer so this is important to me, you say the

samson has no problem with this? The green life doesn't have a problem making

the juice either its just messy as hell, and the samson?

-k

 

 

 

" When I gave food to the poor, they called me a saint; but when I asked why

people are poor, they called me a communist. "

-Brazilian Bishop Don Helder Camara

 

 

: Hey Chris, why the 3000 model?

: The only difference between the 1000 and 3000 is that the 3000 comes with

: all those attachments that raw foodists don't even use. Don't waste your

: money on a 3000, if you really want a greenstar juicer, get the 1000

: model. I sell them for $347.99 plus free shipping.

: In my experience the greenstar gears are tough to clean after something

: oily like when making nut butter and also the machine is too bulky....

: Read the below article why a Samson or SoloStar is just as good or even

: better than a Greenstar juicer.

: Samson Is Superior to Green Star and Costs LessPlease beware of Juicer

: Comparison charts on some web sites like the chart below. Using Green

: Star's own chart, fact-by-fact I show that the Samson is far superior on

: every count – quicker to clean, gives you non-foamy juice, smoother baby

: foods and sorbets, and actual raw nut butters (not the Green Star's nut

: powders).

: Everyone agrees the Green Star is a PAIN to clean, really tedious to scrub

: and scrub and scrub, especially the screens and twin gears, while the

: Samson juicer is a one-minute rinse.

: Twin gear of Green Star juicer – time-consuming to clean all the pulp

: fibers out of pocket recess in every tooth of both gears plus I'm told the

: screens are such a pain to scrub and scrub. Single screw of Samson juicer

: – quick to clean, pulp easily washes off, no inaccessible fibers.When

: cleaning takes a long time, you don't juice as often as you should, or

: would love.

: Worse still, at the core of each Green Star twin gear is a series of in-

: line magnets that produce a focused magnetic field of 2600 gauss through

: which the juice flows. I'm sorry, but I do *not* want a force on the level

: of physics to alter the sub-atomic structure of my juice. This denaturing

: of Nature's perfectly balanced chemistry is the very thing raw foodists

: are *against.*

: The Samson simply crushes or extracts the fiber, depending on whether

: you're making fat-free dessert or fresh juice. This is a physical change,

: not chemical. There's no stripping of electrons (which the heat of

: centrifugal juicers does) and there's no adding of electrons (which

: magnetism does).

: The gentle grinding of the Samson auger (screw) cannot break the forces

: holding electrons in place. The only forces strong enough to shove

: electrons around are those on the level of physics, like heat, pressure,

: light, and magnetism. These are the forces that food factories use.

: Green Star mentions a " 72 Hour Fresh Juice Stability Study " which showed

: " the lowest bacteria proliferation. " This to me is scary. If the bacteria

: don't want it, I don't want it. If the enzymes in microbes can't break

: down the food, then the enzymes in my body will have an equally tough

: time. This is true whether we're talking breakfast cereal or juice.

: Facts on Juicer Comparison ChartLet's compare the newest Green Power

: model, the Green Star, with the powerful Samson. To me, both the Samson

: and Green Star juicers are masticating juicers – masticate means to grind

: or crush, e.g. you masticate food between your teeth.

: The Green Power chart above claims Green Star is the only juicer with:

: Low Operating RPM (revolutions per minute) – in fact Samson is lower at 80

: rpm, Green Star is 110 rpm.

: Dry Pulp – Samson is the only juicer with adjustable *three* squeezing

: strengths in drum cap to ensure driest pulp.

: Low Heat and Physical Shock – Samson has thermal overload protection that

: switches motor off, if it gets too hot. This is why Samson's motor

: warranty is double that of Green Star (Samson 10 years, Green Star 5

: years).

: High Nutrient and Enzyme Content – the least oxidation occurs with the

: lowest RPM, so Samson's 80 rpm retains the maximum nutrients. Plus Green

: Star alters the sub-atomic structure (adds electrons through magnetism)

: which would denature the nutrients.

: Long Lasting Juice – this is NOT a benefit. No raw foodist wants to extend

: the shelf life of their food. If we did, we'd eat pasta and breakfast

: cereal instead of wheatgrass juice, fresh fruits and just-picked greens.

: Pulp-Free Juice – Samson juice is pulpier and this to me is a benefit

: (pulp helps to sweep debris from colon, like a broom) or use Samson's

: strainer to separate the pulp.

: Juices Wheat Grass – Samson juice is as good as a dedicated wheatgrass

: juicer, whereas Green Star creates excess foam in wheatgrass juice.

: Juices Herbs (sage, horsetail) – so does Samson, and in addition Samson

: and Omega 8002 are the only juicers that juice aloe vera leaves and pine

: needles (if you have a hankering for pine).

: Juices Fruit – the Green Star twin gears *require* the fiber in veggies to

: push the pulp through the machine, or it backs up. Samson's single gear

: easily handles soft fruits like kiwi and melon. Plus Samson juices sugar

: cane, Green Star will not. Both juicers juice all vegetables, including

: celery and green leaves.

: Low Noise Operation – I haven't heard both, but the rule of thumb is: the

: faster a juicer turns (revolutions per minute or rpm) the louder the

: machine. Samson is 80 rpm, Green Star 110, so my bet is on Samson as the

: quieter. Compare Champion at 2,700 rpm and centrifugal ejection juicers at

: 7,000 rpm.

: Easy to Operate and Clean – give me a break, look at the photo of twin

: gears above. Green Star is toughest of all juicers to clean. As for easy

: to operate, one web site comparing all juicers, states: " These machines

: [Green Star, Green Power] are not for the faint or frail hearted as some

: pressure is needed to feed the produce into the machine. " I can imagine,

: with those interlocking twin gears.

: Makes Pasta – Samson comes with two nozzles for both pasta and noodles,

: Green Star has only one pasta screw.

: Makes Nut Butters – the same site that sells all juicers (their price for

: Samson is $269 with shipping) writes: " I have tried making RAW almond

: butter in the Samson, it turned out fairly well, and in the Green Star, it

: basically turned the almonds into powder... not quite a butter. " I make

: very quick and easy nut-butters of the soft " wet " nuts like macedamia,

: walnut, pecan, in my Samson – these nuts don't grind in a coffee grinder,

: as almond will – and there's no sticky mess to clean up.

: Makes Baby Food and Desserts – both Samson and Green Star produce creamy

: fruit sorbets from frozen fruit (they're delicious, like frozen yogurt)

: but the same site that tested both writes: " Samson seems to get the

: sorbets a bit more " fine " than the Green Star. " This would apply to baby

: foods too.

: Accessories Included – all are included with the Samson special here at

: $219. For Green Star, it depends on which model you buy.

: Warranty – Samson is 10 years on motor, 5 years on parts, Green Star is 5

: years on motor and parts, Green Power is 2 years on motor and parts.

: AND Green Star makes you pay for magnetized juice –

: Magnetic Technology – A Note on Altering Electron Structure Through

: MagnetismWe Are Living Miracles. How does it all work? The magic of a

: heart beating in perfect rhythm? A heart that loses its rhythm in a heart

: attack feels like a million squiggly eels in your hand.

: It’s chemistry. One atom marries another atom or divorces it. How do they

: decide whether to kiss or run? Usually one atom needs an electron and the

: other has one to give, so they stay together and share the electron.

: What’s critical to the union of our two young atoms is that the electron

: they share must be in the right place, facing the right direction.

: It’s as if when squeezed in the rush hour train, your cheek can stick to

: the person next to you (a) if you’re both the same height – that’s

: electron place or position, and (b) if your left cheek is next to her or

: his right cheek, but *not* left cheek – that’s electron direction or

: orientation.

: But it takes energy for your two cheeks to stick together. We don’t

: collapse in the arms of just anyone, unless we have a heart attack. We

: make a calculated move only toward the cheek we want.

: In our body, enzymes provide this energy. Enzymes bring atoms together and

: split them up. Matchmaker, matchmaker, make me a match!

: Enzymes are factory slaves, forced to work on strict assembly lines. Each

: enzyme performs only one job over and over, sometimes millions of times a

: minute – it's reaction-specific. And each enzyme does its job with only

: one molecule of a specific structure – it's substrate-specific.

: Change electron position and orientation, and you change the structure of

: the molecule, the substrate. How can your enzyme then work on it?

: Our enzymes evolved over billions of years to work on molecules as they

: occur in nature with their structures unaltered by human machines,

: chemicals, irradiation, or magnetism.

: When you cook food (or magnetize it, or irradiate it) the electrons are

: pushed out of position and orientation, so your enzymes have a tough time

: connecting with them. With electrons all squiff, it's not easy for an

: enzyme to slice a molecule in two, e.g. when digesting your food. And it's

: not easy for an enzyme to marry two molecules into one to build your bone,

: blood, nerves, hair, thoughts, feelings, all the magic of you!

: This is why Ann Wigmore insisted on 100% raw organic foods for healing.

: Only the physical forces of blending, or juicing with a low rpm juicer

: like the Samson, are permissible. For a *physical* force – such as the

: Samson's crushing or mincing action – to alter electrons would be like

: cleaning your fingernails with a steam-roller. It's impossible (thank you

: to Dr. Udo Erasmus, author of Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill, for giving

: me this analogy over the telephone, when discussing blending). Only sub-

: atomic *physics* forces, like magnetism, can pull electrons apart.

: With the Samson juicer, the position and orientation of each electron, so

: critical to chemical reactions, stays the way it is in Nature, in perfect

: balance.

: That's my understanding... And that's why I chose the Samson, because I

: trust my Knowledge.

:

: Chris Williams wrote:

: Personally I would recommend the Green Star 3000 but that's a little

: higher than what you listed as the range your looking at. I would

: recommend going to this site http://www.discountjuicers.com/demo/ and

: check out the videos of the various juicers and look at the various videos

: and information links. Don't get in a hurry to get one just to have one.

: Take your time and talk to folks that have the various machines and get

: their honest feedback.

: I'll give you my take on the green star. Great machine for green leafy

: begis, root vegi's etc. I was told and the literature says it's Not the

: best machine in the world for citrus but it does it quite well. I like it

: better thean the juicman that juiced things with the spnning basket thing

: with small blades in it and that won't work well for wheat grass.

: Now I was told the green star was hard to clean taking 15 - 20 min. It

: doesn't take that long. The twin gears don't heat the juice like the

: juiceman juicer so nutrients aren't lost. Many of the machines listed at

: the site have twin gears or single gears this squeezes the juice out not

: tearing up the vegi and fruit like some of the others.

: We use the pulp that is extruded for fiber in cooking. You can also put

: it back through the machine if you think there may be a little more juice

: you can get out of it.

: So I would recommend not taking just one persons opinion, getting a many

: opinions and studying as much material as possible the site above gives

: you a start and there are groups on and MSN that are dedicated to

: Juiceing, they can provide you with a lot of feedback and information as

: well.

: My wife and I made a decision that this was basically preventive medicine

: and we couldn't put a pricetag on our health So while Ioriginally wanted

: to go with the cheapest we could get by with I changed my mind after

: talking to folks and studying to pay the additional $$. So we waited a

: little bit longer to get the additional $$ and purchased the machine we

: have. We use it all the time and even take the juicer to church for use

: there during potlucks .

: Hope this helps.

: Chris

: -

: Stargazer

: rawfood

: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:55 AM

: Re: [Raw Food] juicer

:

: I'm looking for a juicer too Chris and am just starting to read up on them.

: The $800+++ juicers I've already scratched off my list and am looking at

: the

: $250 +/- ones. I want to mainly juice leafy greens and wheatgrass, along

: with the few odd carrots and apples. Which ones do you recommend for this

: kind of usage? ~Amber

: :

: : Hi Renata, a couple of questions that will help us help you.

: : 1. What do you consider " reasonable " ?

: : 2. What kind of juice do you want to produce, veg, fruit, citrus,

: : wheatgrass? Because some do things better than others.

: : Personally we like the Green Star, I wouldn't have any other. A

: : friend

: : has a Samson Juicer and she wouldn't trade it for the world . Still

: another

: : has the Juiceman and for what she does it works well for her. So it

: : really depends on what type of juicing you want to do.

: : Chris

: :

[Guest guest]

I have the Green Power which is great for veggie juice and I personally

don't think it is all that difficult to clean. I can clean mine in less than

5 minutes. However, when I want to juice fruit I pull out the first juicer I

ever bought years ago " The Juiceman " juicer which does a great job on fruit

and it is not that expensive. Just my 2 cents. Breezi

[Guest guest]

I have a samson and I am pleased with it. I have juiced grass,

apples,pears,carrots, blueberries, watermelon, celerly, and it seems fine to me.

Nicholas Costanza

 

Karl Anderson <carlo7 wrote:

reputation is hype.

I like to make fruit juice in the summer so this is important to me, you say the

samson has no problem with this? The green life doesn't have a problem making

the juice either its just messy as hell, and the samson?

-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Nicholas:

 

Where did you buy your Samson? I'm having problems trying to find one.

 

~Amber

 

<<I have a samson and I am pleased with it. I have juiced grass,

apples,pears,carrots, blueberries, watermelon, celerly, and it seems fine to

me.>>

[Guest guest]

Hi amber

I have one of those juicers and somtimes when to much grass is feed to the

juicer the suction mount would come lose from the table and i would have juice

and grass all over the kitchen floor. I havn;t used it for greens so I don't

know how well it works for greens. It is very time consuming to use a hank crank

juicer in my opinion. It is good exercise though. I had no trouble with it

juicing blueberries. After about a month of using it I decided to get an

electric juicer.

Nicholas Costanza

Stargazer <Stargazer wrote:

I'm still comparing juicer opinions and am wondering if anyone has or had

the Healthyjuicer? It's a hand crank model and is supposed to do wheat

grass and green leafy things well, which is mainly what I want to juice.

Opinions appreciated!

 

~Amber

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hey Amber,

If you are looking for a samson, I sell them at 184.99 plus free shipping and

free recipes!

Call (813-876-6366) or email me if you would like to order one. I take paypal,

credit cards, check or money order.

 

Have the best day ever!

Alex

 

Stargazer <Stargazer wrote:Hi Nicholas:

 

Where did you buy your Samson? I'm having problems trying to find one.

 

~Amber

 

<<I have a samson and I am pleased with it. I have juiced grass,

apples,pears,carrots, blueberries, watermelon, celerly, and it seems fine to

me.>>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Amber

This is were I brought mine

http://www.gulfcoastjuicers.com/

But if you do a web search and use the word juicers in the web search you

will probally find many places selling juicers.

nicholas

 

Stargazer <Stargazer wrote:

Hi Nicholas:

 

Where did you buy your Samson? I'm having problems trying to find one.

 

~Amber

 

<<I have a samson and I am pleased with it. I have juiced grass,

apples,pears,carrots, blueberries, watermelon, celerly, and it seems fine to

me.>>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am getting confused with all this juicer talk, I just bought a juiceman Jr

juicer and am pretty happy with it but I would rather have one that does it

all and easy to clean. Which do you all suggest? I heard the samson is good

and the omega 8005?

 

Help

 

Renata

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you for replying Nicolas. The site I found this juicer on says it

does green leafies and wheat grass, and the price is verrrry attractive!!

However, the thought of the juice oozing on my white kitchen linoleum is

definitely not a plus. I can see why you went to electric. Guess I'll just

save my pennies and go the same route.

 

~Amber

 

-

 

I have one of those juicers and somtimes when to much grass is feed to the

juicer the suction mount would come lose from the table and i would have

juice and grass all over the kitchen floor. I havn;t used it for greens so

I don't know how well it works for greens. It is very time consuming to use

a hank crank juicer in my opinion. It is good exercise though. I had no

trouble with it juicing blueberries. After about a month of using it I

decided to get an electric juicer.

[Guest guest]

Samson has 2 juicer models: the plain one and the Ultra. Can you please tell me

the difference and the one you recommend.

--- Alex Malinsky <alexmalinsky wrote:

Hey Chris, why the 3000 model?

The only difference between the 1000 and 3000 is that the 3000 comes with all

those attachments that raw foodists don't even use. Don't waste your money on a

3000, if you really want a greenstar juicer, get the 1000 model. I sell them for

$347.99 plus free shipping.

In my experience the greenstar gears are tough to clean after something oily

like when making nut butter and also the machine is too bulky.... Read the

below article why a Samson or SoloStar is just as good or even better than a

Greenstar juicer.

 

Samson Is Superior to Green Star and Costs LessPlease beware of Juicer

Comparison charts on some web sites like the chart below. Using Green Star's own

chart, fact-by-fact I show that the Samson is far superior on every count

quicker to clean, gives you non-foamy juice, smoother baby foods and sorbets,

and actual raw nut butters (not the Green Star's nut powders).

Everyone agrees the Green Star is a PAIN to clean, really tedious to scrub and

scrub and scrub, especially the screens and twin gears, while the Samson juicer

is a one-minute rinse.

Twin gear of Green Star juicer time-consuming to clean all the pulp fibers

out of pocket recess in every tooth of both gears plus I'm told the screens are

such a pain to scrub and scrub. Single screw of Samson juicer quick to clean,

pulp easily washes off, no inaccessible fibers.When cleaning takes a long time,

you don't juice as often as you should, or would love.

Worse still, at the core of each Green Star twin gear is a series of in-line

magnets that produce a focused magnetic field of 2600 gauss through which the

juice flows. I'm sorry, but I do *not* want a force on the level of physics to

alter the sub-atomic structure of my juice. This denaturing of Nature's

perfectly balanced chemistry is the very thing raw foodists are *against.*

The Samson simply crushes or extracts the fiber, depending on whether you're

making fat-free dessert or fresh juice. This is a physical change, not chemical.

There's no stripping of electrons (which the heat of centrifugal juicers does)

and there's no adding of electrons (which magnetism does).

The gentle grinding of the Samson auger (screw) cannot break the forces holding

electrons in place. The only forces strong enough to shove electrons around are

those on the level of physics, like heat, pressure, light, and magnetism. These

are the forces that food factories use.

Green Star mentions a " 72 Hour Fresh Juice Stability Study " which showed " the

lowest bacteria proliferation. " This to me is scary. If the bacteria don't want

it, I don't want it. If the enzymes in microbes can't break down the food, then

the enzymes in my body will have an equally tough time. This is true whether

we're talking breakfast cereal or juice.

Facts on Juicer Comparison ChartLet's compare the newest Green Power model, the

Green Star, with the powerful Samson. To me, both the Samson and Green Star

juicers are masticating juicers masticate means to grind or crush, e.g. you

masticate food between your teeth.

The Green Power chart above claims Green Star is the only juicer with:

Low Operating RPM (revolutions per minute) in fact Samson is lower at 80

rpm, Green Star is 110 rpm.

Dry Pulp Samson is the only juicer with adjustable *three* squeezing

strengths in drum cap to ensure driest pulp.

Low Heat and Physical Shock Samson has thermal overload protection that

switches motor off, if it gets too hot. This is why Samson's motor warranty is

double that of Green Star (Samson 10 years, Green Star 5 years).

High Nutrient and Enzyme Content the least oxidation occurs with the lowest

RPM, so Samson's 80 rpm retains the maximum nutrients. Plus Green Star alters

the sub-atomic structure (adds electrons through magnetism) which would denature

the nutrients.

Long Lasting Juice this is NOT a benefit. No raw foodist wants to extend the

shelf life of their food. If we did, we'd eat pasta and breakfast cereal instead

of wheatgrass juice, fresh fruits and just-picked greens.

Pulp-Free Juice Samson juice is pulpier and this to me is a benefit (pulp

helps to sweep debris from colon, like a broom) or use Samson's strainer to

separate the pulp.

Juices Wheat Grass Samson juice is as good as a dedicated wheatgrass juicer,

whereas Green Star creates excess foam in wheatgrass juice.

Juices Herbs (sage, horsetail) so does Samson, and in addition Samson and

Omega 8002 are the only juicers that juice aloe vera leaves and pine needles (if

you have a hankering for pine).

Juices Fruit the Green Star twin gears *require* the fiber in veggies to

push the pulp through the machine, or it backs up. Samson's single gear easily

handles soft fruits like kiwi and melon. Plus Samson juices sugar cane, Green

Star will not. Both juicers juice all vegetables, including celery and green

leaves.

Low Noise Operation I haven't heard both, but the rule of thumb is: the

faster a juicer turns (revolutions per minute or rpm) the louder the machine.

Samson is 80 rpm, Green Star 110, so my bet is on Samson as the quieter. Compare

Champion at 2,700 rpm and centrifugal ejection juicers at 7,000 rpm.

Easy to Operate and Clean give me a break, look at the photo of twin gears

above. Green Star is toughest of all juicers to clean. As for easy to operate,

one web site comparing all juicers, states: " These machines [Green Star, Green

Power] are not for the faint or frail hearted as some pressure is needed to feed

the produce into the machine. " I can imagine, with those interlocking twin

gears.

Makes Pasta Samson comes with two nozzles for both pasta and noodles, Green

Star has only one pasta screw.

Makes Nut Butters the same site that sells all juicers (their price for

Samson is $269 with shipping) writes: " I have tried making RAW almond butter in

the Samson, it turned out fairly well, and in the Green Star, it basically

turned the almonds into powder... not quite a butter. " I make very quick and

easy nut-butters of the soft " wet " nuts like macedamia, walnut, pecan, in my

Samson these nuts don't grind in a coffee grinder, as almond will and there's

no sticky mess to clean up.

Makes Baby Food and Desserts both Samson and Green Star produce creamy fruit

sorbets from frozen fruit (they're delicious, like frozen yogurt) but the same

site that tested both writes: " Samson seems to get the sorbets a bit more " fine "

than the Green Star. " This would apply to baby foods too.

Accessories Included all are included with the Samson special here at $219.

For Green Star, it depends on which model you buy.

Warranty Samson is 10 years on motor, 5 years on parts, Green Star is 5

years on motor and parts, Green Power is 2 years on motor and parts.

AND Green Star makes you pay for magnetized juice

Magnetic Technology A Note on Altering Electron Structure Through MagnetismWe

Are Living Miracles. How does it all work? The magic of a heart beating in

perfect rhythm? A heart that loses its rhythm in a heart attack feels like a

million squiggly eels in your hand.

Its chemistry. One atom marries another atom or divorces it. How do they decide

whether to kiss or run? Usually one atom needs an electron and the other has one

to give, so they stay together and share the electron.

Whats critical to the union of our two young atoms is that the electron they

share must be in the right place, facing the right direction.

Its as if when squeezed in the rush hour train, your cheek can stick to the

person next to you (a) if youre both the same height thats electron place or

position, and (b) if your left cheek is next to her or his right cheek, but

*not* left cheek thats electron direction or orientation.

But it takes energy for your two cheeks to stick together. We dont collapse in

the arms of just anyone, unless we have a heart attack. We make a calculated

move only toward the cheek we want.

In our body, enzymes provide this energy. Enzymes bring atoms together and split

them up. Matchmaker, matchmaker, make me a match!

Enzymes are factory slaves, forced to work on strict assembly lines. Each enzyme

performs only one job over and over, sometimes millions of times a minute it's

reaction-specific. And each enzyme does its job with only one molecule of a

specific structure it's substrate-specific.

Change electron position and orientation, and you change the structure of the

molecule, the substrate. How can your enzyme then work on it?

Our enzymes evolved over billions of years to work on molecules as they occur in

nature with their structures unaltered by human machines, chemicals,

irradiation, or magnetism.

When you cook food (or magnetize it, or irradiate it) the electrons are pushed

out of position and orientation, so your enzymes have a tough time connecting

with them. With electrons all squiff, it's not easy for an enzyme to slice a

molecule in two, e.g. when digesting your food. And it's not easy for an enzyme

to marry two molecules into one to build your bone, blood, nerves, hair,

thoughts, feelings, all the magic of you!

This is why Ann Wigmore insisted on 100% raw organic foods for healing. Only the

physical forces of blending, or juicing with a low rpm juicer like the Samson,

are permissible. For a *physical* force such as the Samson's crushing or

mincing action to alter electrons would be like cleaning your fingernails with

a steam-roller. It's impossible (thank you to Dr. Udo Erasmus, author of Fats

That Heal, Fats That Kill, for giving me this analogy over the telephone, when

discussing blending). Only sub-atomic *physics* forces, like magnetism, can pull

electrons apart.

With the Samson juicer, the position and orientation of each electron, so

critical to chemical reactions, stays the way it is in Nature, in perfect

balance.

That's my understanding... And that's why I chose the Samson, because I trust my

Knowledge.

 

 

Chris Williams <chris_williams67 wrote:

Personally I would recommend the Green Star 3000 but that's a little higher than

what you listed as the range your looking at. I would recommend going to this

site http://www.discountjuicers.com/demo/ and check out the videos of the

various juicers and look at the various videos and information links. Don't get

in a hurry to get one just to have one. Take your time and talk to folks that

have the various machines and get their honest feedback.

 

I'll give you my take on the green star. Great machine for green leafy begis,

root vegi's etc. I was told and the literature says it's Not the best machine

in the world for citrus but it does it quite well. I like it better thean the

juicman that juiced things with the spnning basket thing with small blades in it

and that won't work well for wheat grass.

 

Now I was told the green star was hard to clean taking 15 - 20 min. It

doesn't take that long. The twin gears don't heat the juice like the juiceman

juicer so nutrients aren't lost. Many of the machines listed at the site have

twin gears or single gears this squeezes the juice out not tearing up the vegi

and fruit like some of the others.

 

We use the pulp that is extruded for fiber in cooking. You can also put it back

through the machine if you think there may be a little more juice you can get

out of it.

 

So I would recommend not taking just one persons opinion, getting a many

opinions and studying as much material as possible the site above gives you a

start and there are groups on and MSN that are dedicated to Juiceing, they

can provide you with a lot of feedback and information as well.

 

My wife and I made a decision that this was basically preventive medicine and we

couldn't put a pricetag on our health So while Ioriginally wanted to go with the

cheapest we could get by with I changed my mind after talking to folks and

studying to pay the additional $$. So we waited a little bit longer to get the

additional $$ and purchased the machine we have. We use it all the time and even

take the juicer to church for use there during potlucks .

 

Hope this helps.

 

Chris

 

-

Stargazer

rawfood

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:55 AM

Re: [Raw Food] juicer

 

 

I'm looking for a juicer too Chris and am just starting to read up on them.

The $800+++ juicers I've already scratched off my list and am looking at the

$250 +/- ones. I want to mainly juice leafy greens and wheatgrass, along

with the few odd carrots and apples. Which ones do you recommend for this

kind of usage? ~Amber

 

>

>

> Hi Renata, a couple of questions that will help us help you.

>

> 1. What do you consider " reasonable " ?

>

> 2. What kind of juice do you want to produce, veg, fruit, citrus,

> wheatgrass? Because some do things better than others.

>

> Personally we like the Green Star, I wouldn't have any other. A friend

> has a Samson Juicer and she wouldn't trade it for the world . Still

another

> has the Juiceman and for what she does it works well for her. So it

> really depends on what type of juicing you want to do.

>

> Chris

>

>

[Guest guest]

Personally...I like the solostar juicer which is a newer version of the samson

juicer and produces drier pulp and is easier to clean.

 

Peace

Alex

 

howard huey <huey_htm wrote:

 

 

Samson has 2 juicer models: the plain one and the Ultra. Can you please tell me

the difference and the one you recommend.

--- Alex Malinsky <alexmalinsky wrote:

Hey Chris, why the 3000 model?

The only difference between the 1000 and 3000 is that the 3000 comes with all

those attachments that raw foodists don't even use. Don't waste your money on a

3000, if you really want a greenstar juicer, get the 1000 model. I sell them for

$347.99 plus free shipping.

In my experience the greenstar gears are tough to clean after something oily

like when making nut butter and also the machine is too bulky.... Read the

below article why a Samson or SoloStar is just as good or even better than a

Greenstar juicer.

 

Samson Is Superior to Green Star and Costs LessPlease beware of Juicer

Comparison charts on some web sites like the chart below. Using Green Star's own

chart, fact-by-fact I show that the Samson is far superior on every count

quicker to clean, gives you non-foamy juice, smoother baby foods and sorbets,

and actual raw nut butters (not the Green Star's nut powders).

Everyone agrees the Green Star is a PAIN to clean, really tedious to scrub and

scrub and scrub, especially the screens and twin gears, while the Samson juicer

is a one-minute rinse.

Twin gear of Green Star juicer time-consuming to clean all the pulp fibers

out of pocket recess in every tooth of both gears plus I'm told the screens are

such a pain to scrub and scrub. Single screw of Samson juicer quick to clean,

pulp easily washes off, no inaccessible fibers.When cleaning takes a long time,

you don't juice as often as you should, or would love.

Worse still, at the core of each Green Star twin gear is a series of in-line

magnets that produce a focused magnetic field of 2600 gauss through which the

juice flows. I'm sorry, but I do *not* want a force on the level of physics to

alter the sub-atomic structure of my juice. This denaturing of Nature's

perfectly balanced chemistry is the very thing raw foodists are *against.*

The Samson simply crushes or extracts the fiber, depending on whether you're

making fat-free dessert or fresh juice. This is a physical change, not chemical.

There's no stripping of electrons (which the heat of centrifugal juicers does)

and there's no adding of electrons (which magnetism does).

The gentle grinding of the Samson auger (screw) cannot break the forces holding

electrons in place. The only forces strong enough to shove electrons around are

those on the level of physics, like heat, pressure, light, and magnetism. These

are the forces that food factories use.

Green Star mentions a " 72 Hour Fresh Juice Stability Study " which showed " the

lowest bacteria proliferation. " This to me is scary. If the bacteria don't want

it, I don't want it. If the enzymes in microbes can't break down the food, then

the enzymes in my body will have an equally tough time. This is true whether

we're talking breakfast cereal or juice.

Facts on Juicer Comparison ChartLet's compare the newest Green Power model, the

Green Star, with the powerful Samson. To me, both the Samson and Green Star

juicers are masticating juicers masticate means to grind or crush, e.g. you

masticate food between your teeth.

The Green Power chart above claims Green Star is the only juicer with:

Low Operating RPM (revolutions per minute) in fact Samson is lower at 80

rpm, Green Star is 110 rpm.

Dry Pulp Samson is the only juicer with adjustable *three* squeezing

strengths in drum cap to ensure driest pulp.

Low Heat and Physical Shock Samson has thermal overload protection that

switches motor off, if it gets too hot. This is why Samson's motor warranty is

double that of Green Star (Samson 10 years, Green Star 5 years).

High Nutrient and Enzyme Content the least oxidation occurs with the lowest

RPM, so Samson's 80 rpm retains the maximum nutrients. Plus Green Star alters

the sub-atomic structure (adds electrons through magnetism) which would denature

the nutrients.

Long Lasting Juice this is NOT a benefit. No raw foodist wants to extend the

shelf life of their food. If we did, we'd eat pasta and breakfast cereal instead

of wheatgrass juice, fresh fruits and just-picked greens.

Pulp-Free Juice Samson juice is pulpier and this to me is a benefit (pulp

helps to sweep debris from colon, like a broom) or use Samson's strainer to

separate the pulp.

Juices Wheat Grass Samson juice is as good as a dedicated wheatgrass juicer,

whereas Green Star creates excess foam in wheatgrass juice.

Juices Herbs (sage, horsetail) so does Samson, and in addition Samson and

Omega 8002 are the only juicers that juice aloe vera leaves and pine needles (if

you have a hankering for pine).

Juices Fruit the Green Star twin gears *require* the fiber in veggies to

push the pulp through the machine, or it backs up. Samson's single gear easily

handles soft fruits like kiwi and melon. Plus Samson juices sugar cane, Green

Star will not. Both juicers juice all vegetables, including celery and green

leaves.

Low Noise Operation I haven't heard both, but the rule of thumb is: the

faster a juicer turns (revolutions per minute or rpm) the louder the machine.

Samson is 80 rpm, Green Star 110, so my bet is on Samson as the quieter. Compare

Champion at 2,700 rpm and centrifugal ejection juicers at 7,000 rpm.

Easy to Operate and Clean give me a break, look at the photo of twin gears

above. Green Star is toughest of all juicers to clean. As for easy to operate,

one web site comparing all juicers, states: " These machines [Green Star, Green

Power] are not for the faint or frail hearted as some pressure is needed to feed

the produce into the machine. " I can imagine, with those interlocking twin

gears.

Makes Pasta Samson comes with two nozzles for both pasta and noodles, Green

Star has only one pasta screw.

Makes Nut Butters the same site that sells all juicers (their price for

Samson is $269 with shipping) writes: " I have tried making RAW almond butter in

the Samson, it turned out fairly well, and in the Green Star, it basically

turned the almonds into powder... not quite a butter. " I make very quick and

easy nut-butters of the soft " wet " nuts like macedamia, walnut, pecan, in my

Samson these nuts don't grind in a coffee grinder, as almond will and there's

no sticky mess to clean up.

Makes Baby Food and Desserts both Samson and Green Star produce creamy fruit

sorbets from frozen fruit (they're delicious, like frozen yogurt) but the same

site that tested both writes: " Samson seems to get the sorbets a bit more " fine "

than the Green Star. " This would apply to baby foods too.

Accessories Included all are included with the Samson special here at $219.

For Green Star, it depends on which model you buy.

Warranty Samson is 10 years on motor, 5 years on parts, Green Star is 5

years on motor and parts, Green Power is 2 years on motor and parts.

AND Green Star makes you pay for magnetized juice

Magnetic Technology A Note on Altering Electron Structure Through MagnetismWe

Are Living Miracles. How does it all work? The magic of a heart beating in

perfect rhythm? A heart that loses its rhythm in a heart attack feels like a

million squiggly eels in your hand.

Its chemistry. One atom marries another atom or divorces it. How do they decide

whether to kiss or run? Usually one atom needs an electron and the other has one

to give, so they stay together and share the electron.

Whats critical to the union of our two young atoms is that the electron they

share must be in the right place, facing the right direction.

Its as if when squeezed in the rush hour train, your cheek can stick to the

person next to you (a) if youre both the same height thats electron place or

position, and (b) if your left cheek is next to her or his right cheek, but

*not* left cheek thats electron direction or orientation.

But it takes energy for your two cheeks to stick together. We dont collapse in

the arms of just anyone, unless we have a heart attack. We make a calculated

move only toward the cheek we want.

In our body, enzymes provide this energy. Enzymes bring atoms together and split

them up. Matchmaker, matchmaker, make me a match!

Enzymes are factory slaves, forced to work on strict assembly lines. Each enzyme

performs only one job over and over, sometimes millions of times a minute it's

reaction-specific. And each enzyme does its job with only one molecule of a

specific structure it's substrate-specific.

Change electron position and orientation, and you change the structure of the

molecule, the substrate. How can your enzyme then work on it?

Our enzymes evolved over billions of years to work on molecules as they occur in

nature with their structures unaltered by human machines, chemicals,

irradiation, or magnetism.

When you cook food (or magnetize it, or irradiate it) the electrons are pushed

out of position and orientation, so your enzymes have a tough time connecting

with them. With electrons all squiff, it's not easy for an enzyme to slice a

molecule in two, e.g. when digesting your food. And it's not easy for an enzyme

to marry two molecules into one to build your bone, blood, nerves, hair,

thoughts, feelings, all the magic of you!

This is why Ann Wigmore insisted on 100% raw organic foods for healing. Only the

physical forces of blending, or juicing with a low rpm juicer like the Samson,

are permissible. For a *physical* force such as the Samson's crushing or

mincing action to alter electrons would be like cleaning your fingernails with

a steam-roller. It's impossible (thank you to Dr. Udo Erasmus, author of Fats

That Heal, Fats That Kill, for giving me this analogy over the telephone, when

discussing blending). Only sub-atomic *physics* forces, like magnetism, can pull

electrons apart.

With the Samson juicer, the position and orientation of each electron, so

critical to chemical reactions, stays the way it is in Nature, in perfect

balance.

That's my understanding... And that's why I chose the Samson, because I trust my

Knowledge.

 

 

Chris Williams <chris_williams67 wrote:

Personally I would recommend the Green Star 3000 but that's a little higher than

what you listed as the range your looking at. I would recommend going to this

site http://www.discountjuicers.com/demo/ and check out the videos of the

various juicers and look at the various videos and information links. Don't get

in a hurry to get one just to have one. Take your time and talk to folks that

have the various machines and get their honest feedback.

 

I'll give you my take on the green star. Great machine for green leafy begis,

root vegi's etc. I was told and the literature says it's Not the best machine

in the world for citrus but it does it quite well. I like it better thean the

juicman that juiced things with the spnning basket thing with small blades in it

and that won't work well for wheat grass.

 

Now I was told the green star was hard to clean taking 15 - 20 min. It

doesn't take that long. The twin gears don't heat the juice like the juiceman

juicer so nutrients aren't lost. Many of the machines listed at the site have

twin gears or single gears this squeezes the juice out not tearing up the vegi

and fruit like some of the others.

 

We use the pulp that is extruded for fiber in cooking. You can also put it back

through the machine if you think there may be a little more juice you can get

out of it.

 

So I would recommend not taking just one persons opinion, getting a many

opinions and studying as much material as possible the site above gives you a

start and there are groups on and MSN that are dedicated to Juiceing, they

can provide you with a lot of feedback and information as well.

 

My wife and I made a decision that this was basically preventive medicine and we

couldn't put a pricetag on our health So while Ioriginally wanted to go with the

cheapest we could get by with I changed my mind after talking to folks and

studying to pay the additional $$. So we waited a little bit longer to get the

additional $$ and purchased the machine we have. We use it all the time and even

take the juicer to church for use there during potlucks .

 

Hope this helps.

 

Chris

 

-

Stargazer

rawfood

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:55 AM

Re: [Raw Food] juicer

 

 

I'm looking for a juicer too Chris and am just starting to read up on them.

The $800+++ juicers I've already scratched off my list and am looking at the

$250 +/- ones. I want to mainly juice leafy greens and wheatgrass, along

with the few odd carrots and apples. Which ones do you recommend for this

kind of usage? ~Amber

 

>

>

> Hi Renata, a couple of questions that will help us help you.

>

> 1. What do you consider " reasonable " ?

>

> 2. What kind of juice do you want to produce, veg, fruit, citrus,

> wheatgrass? Because some do things better than others.

>

> Personally we like the Green Star, I wouldn't have any other. A friend

> has a Samson Juicer and she wouldn't trade it for the world . Still

another

> has the Juiceman and for what she does it works well for her. So it

> really depends on what type of juicing you want to do.

>

> Chris

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