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I think the point you are missing is that a vegan never chooses to eat a teaspoon of any animal product - ever. The word vegetarian describes someone who does not eat any flesh or by products of slaughter. There is no definition of the amount of dairy etc that they eat - it could be one teaspoonful every 20 years or 2lb a day - they are still vegetarian. You cannot choose to eat a tiny amount of animal product and call yourself vegan - it is a lie.

 

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In a message dated 8/1/04 4:48:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

Message: 21 Sun, 1 Aug 2004 23:44:57 +0100 "Peter" <metalscarabRe: Re: New to GroupHi K> Okay, that's fine. But you know, with the overall scheme of things. and the the length of time where I have abstained from flesh (almost 20> years now), and all the time I've spent at demos and letter writing, and all the donations I've been giving AR groups...pretty much since I was> 18 years old...I feel like a vegan. But that's fine....I shall call myself a veg who does not eat eggs and avoids leather and avoids animal tested> products, etc etc.It would seem that you are saying that you consider yourself to be somehow above the term "vegetarian". I wonder how other vegetarians would react to this indictment of their effo! rts - I think I would feel quite insulted.Perhaps you could explain what is wrong with the term "vegetarian"? I see nothing shameful about the use of that label.The word vegan refers to what you consume, it does not refer to what you feel like, or to what other great things you have done for animals, humans, or anything else.Personally, I was involved in animal rights for a couple of years before turning vegetarian (let alone vegan), but I didn't think my efforts made me something I wasn't.BBPeter

 

Oh, please don't take offense. Offense wasn't meant, at all!

 

I just don't feel I am just vegetarian! My diet is based on beans and grains...I consciously choose my personal and cleaning products to make sure they weren't put in bunnies eyes, I avoid leather as much as I can, I make a lot of effort to get the correct food (even today eating with my biking group...I just ate hash browns). I wouldn't mind being called vegetarian IF I was just a veg...but I go further than that. That is all. Please don't be offended...it's not the point.

 

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That would be the correct way to describe yourself.

 

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In a message dated 8/1/04 4:48:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

In a message dated 8/1/04 1:40:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 15 Sat, 31 Jul 2004 23:27:11 +0100 "Jo" <Heartwork Re: Re: New to Group NO! Definitely not. One could say I am vegetarian who doesn't eat dairy/eggs or whatever. One could say that one is teetotal 98% of the time but drinks alcohol 2% of the time. Jo - lv2breathe Cc: Lv2breathe Saturday, July 31, 2004 9:49 PM & nbs! p; Re: New to Group Maybe the word "veganish" would apply....or one could say "I am 98% vegan, the rest of the time vegetarian". K In a message dated 7/31/04 4:12:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vegan_! chat writes: There is nothing wrong with calling yourself vegetarian though, if you do eat some animal products, or don't make a really big effort to avoid all animal products. I am sure most vegetarians get annoyed when people who eat fish and chicken, but have given up red meat, call themselves vegetarian. I feel it is good to encourage everyone, and as I have lots of omnivorous friends, do not consider m! yself to be very judgemental - just don't see the harm in being called vegetarian. Jo Okay, that's fine. But you know, with the overall scheme of things. and the the length of time where I have abstained from flesh (almost 20 years now), and all the time I've spent at demos and letter writing, and all the donations I've been giving AR groups...pretty much since I was 18 years old...I feel like a vegan. But that's fine....I shall call myself a veg who does not eat eggs and avoids leather and avoids animal tested products, etc etc. K To send an email to -

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Precisely!

 

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Sheri Lazar- Transport

Sunday, August 01, 2004 10:38 PM

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kind of like pregnant or not pregnant.... you can't be just 'a little bit pregnant'... you are, or you aren't ;=]

 

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NO! Definitely not. One could say I am vegetarian who doesn't eat dairy/eggs or whatever.

 

One could say that one is teetotal 98% of the time but drinks alcohol 2% of the time.

 

Jo

 

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Saturday, July 31, 2004 9:49 PM

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Maybe the word "veganish" would apply....or one could say

 

"I am 98% vegan, the rest of the time vegetarian".

 

K

 

In a message dated 7/31/04 4:12:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

There isnothing wrong with calling yourself vegetarian though, if you do eat someanimal products, or don't make a really big effort to avoid all animalproducts. I am sure most vegetarians get annoyed when people who eat fishand chicken, but have given up red meat, call themselves vegetarian.I feel it is good to encourage everyone, and as I have lots of omnivorousfriends, do not consider myself to be very judgemental - just don't see theharm in being called vegetarian.Jo

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Whew, thanks. Vegan I be, then. And someone on this list turned me on to Pangaea's New Balance Shoes, which are Vegan and lovely, thank you very much.

 

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Monday, August 02, 2004 12:35 PM

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Hi Cynthia

 

> Okay. Just wondering if someone could define the term "Vegan" then?

 

According to the OED, it is defined as "(Person) eating no animals or animal products"... since dairy is an animal product, if you eat it (even ocassionally), you aren't vegan!

 

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Hi Cathy,

Welcome to the list! Susan (the woman who sat on your left last night)

also lives in Kirkland and mentioned that she might be willing to host a

potluck. I'll give her a call and see if I can give her a little nudge.

The eastside raw food 'community' seems to be growing! There are also some

Thanksgiving events coming up, I believe, which you can check out at the

RawSeattle website.

Nora

 

 

yellowrainbowgirl wrote:

 

> Hello, I'm new to the group. I am about to embark on a raw foods

> transition. I am currently eating vegetarian/vegan. I've been eating

> vegetarian since I was 19. I am 34 now and I have an 8 year old

> daughter. I live in Kirkland and teach yoga. Are there any potlucks

> to come soon?

>

> I look forward to meeting you!

> Cathy

>

>

>

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Hi Cathy,

I have a 10 year old son that would love to have some company his age at the

potlucks.

Paula

 

yellowrainbowgirl <yellowrainbow wrote:

 

 

Hello, I'm new to the group. I am about to embark on a raw foods

transition. I am currently eating vegetarian/vegan. I've been eating

vegetarian since I was 19. I am 34 now and I have an 8 year old

daughter. I live in Kirkland and teach yoga. Are there any potlucks

to come soon?

 

I look forward to meeting you!

Cathy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I am new to the group too.

I have a 10 year old daughter and a 5 year old daughter.

I am in South Seattle.

 

How do you folks with kids keep them raw when they go off to school or go to

grandmas?

 

I'm trying to transition my kids.

 

Trish

Paula Wood [wolfmother1]

Monday, November 15, 2004 7:33 AM

RawSeattle

Re: [RawSeattle] new to group

 

 

Hi Cathy,

I have a 10 year old son that would love to have some company his age at

the potlucks.

Paula

 

yellowrainbowgirl <yellowrainbow wrote:

 

 

Hello, I'm new to the group. I am about to embark on a raw foods

transition. I am currently eating vegetarian/vegan. I've been eating

vegetarian since I was 19. I am 34 now and I have an 8 year old

daughter. I live in Kirkland and teach yoga. Are there any potlucks

to come soon?

 

I look forward to meeting you!

Cathy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I am very sad to say that my 10 year old son is still eating the Standard

American Diet. He will eat Live food at potlucks, but when I try to fix him

something at home, he turns his nose up at it and refuses to eat. When I first

started eating Live foods (January 2004) I told him he had to eat what I ate

when he was around me - basically every meal I fixed for us was raw, and that's

what he was to eat. If we were out, at grandmas house or somewhere, he could

eat whatever they were serving. Well, it backfired on me. All he would eat was

fruit when he was with me. He ended up gaining a good 10 pounds. (I think

people were feeling sorry for him - his evil mother giving him all this healthy

food! - They gave him extra servings and extra sweets.) So, now I have him on

basically the South Beach Diet which promotes whole foods. Still it's hard for

him when he can't have soda, popcorn, candy, cookies, Fruit Rollups and all the

other CRAP parents are feeding their kids today. He

takes it personally, and feels like I am being a mean mom, turning him into a

freak. I end up feeling guilty either way.

 

It's difficult to go against the grain of society. And I feel extremely

frustrated about it. My heart hurts every time I see an obese child - or adult

for that matter. It hurts because I now know the answer, but talking about it

to most people seems to be like casting pearls to swine. I have been talking to

dear friends about my experiences eating Live foods since January, when I

started. One of them has decided to try a 30 day cleanse, eating only raw food.

But that's only one. People are so attached to the way they live their life and

their habbits. So many social activities include eating or drinking something.

I recently went to a friends house for dinner, and she was asking what she could

fix so that I could eat with the family. Well, at the time I was only juicing

and couldn't eat anything. She said she felt bad not being able to fix

something for me to eat. She didn't want to leave me out. I appeased her a

little by mentioning the following, " plenty of people have

eating restrictions these days. Just think of it as if I am on weight watchers

and can't eat the birthday cake and ice cream at the birthday party - except

with more restrictios " . I also told her that I like the way I eat. Everything

is so full of flavor and in it's most beautiful and natural state. Easy for an

adult to understand, but perhaps not a child - especially if the child doesn't

want to.

 

To wrap things up here, perhaps the more heart to heart conversations we can

have with our children about the way we choose to eat, the more they may feel ok

about the Live Food choice. I am trying to get my son to read to me out of raw

books (or books like Diet For A New America) while I prepare meals. That way

the information is not coming from me. I had him read Raw Family by the

Boutenkos. It was good for him to read about other kids making the 'Raw'

choice. Most children have a delicate heart, and if they knew how the animals

were treated, they might be turned on to the Live Foods idea. I just keep

talking to him about it. I realized early on that I couldn't make him do it,

that, ufortunately at age 10 he is too old for me to dictate to him that he will

only eat Live foods.

 

Getting our children to make a Live Food choice may also be a community effort -

takes a village to raise a child and all that.

 

Paula

 

 

seattleponyrides <seattleponyrides wrote:

 

I am new to the group too.

I have a 10 year old daughter and a 5 year old daughter.

I am in South Seattle.

 

How do you folks with kids keep them raw when they go off to school or go to

grandmas?

 

I'm trying to transition my kids.

 

Trish

Paula Wood [wolfmother1]

Monday, November 15, 2004 7:33 AM

RawSeattle

Re: [RawSeattle] new to group

 

 

Hi Cathy,

I have a 10 year old son that would love to have some company his age at

the potlucks.

Paula

 

yellowrainbowgirl <yellowrainbow wrote:

 

 

Hello, I'm new to the group. I am about to embark on a raw foods

transition. I am currently eating vegetarian/vegan. I've been eating

vegetarian since I was 19. I am 34 now and I have an 8 year old

daughter. I live in Kirkland and teach yoga. Are there any potlucks

to come soon?

 

I look forward to meeting you!

Cathy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Here's an unconventional idea for raising kids to eat properly. If

you think it might work, it's worth a try. Use a rewards system in

this manner: If your child eats what you serve him for a certain

period of days, offer to " reward " him with anything he wants to eat.

I know you'll be cringing as he wolfs down a bunch of junk food, but

if that's what he chooses, he probably will notice a difference in

his energy and well being. Ask him if he feels any different. The

point is to get him to see the effects of different types of diets.

With some children this would work really well, others may be healthy

and young enough to not notice that much of a difference between the

two.

 

Ron

 

RawSeattle , Paula Wood <wolfmother1>

wrote:

> I am very sad to say that my 10 year old son is still eating the

Standard American Diet. He will eat Live food at potlucks, but when

I try to fix him something at home, he turns his nose up at it and

refuses to eat. When I first started eating Live foods (January

2004) I told him he had to eat what I ate when he was around me -

basically every meal I fixed for us was raw, and that's what he was

to eat. If we were out, at grandmas house or somewhere, he could eat

whatever they were serving. Well, it backfired on me. All he would

eat was fruit when he was with me. He ended up gaining a good 10

pounds. (I think people were feeling sorry for him - his evil mother

giving him all this healthy food! - They gave him extra servings and

extra sweets.) So, now I have him on basically the South Beach Diet

which promotes whole foods. Still it's hard for him when he can't

have soda, popcorn, candy, cookies, Fruit Rollups and all the other

CRAP parents are feeding their kids today. He

> takes it personally, and feels like I am being a mean mom, turning

him into a freak. I end up feeling guilty either way.

>

> It's difficult to go against the grain of society. And I feel

extremely frustrated about it. My heart hurts every time I see an

obese child - or adult for that matter. It hurts because I now know

the answer, but talking about it to most people seems to be like

casting pearls to swine. I have been talking to dear friends about

my experiences eating Live foods since January, when I started. One

of them has decided to try a 30 day cleanse, eating only raw food.

But that's only one. People are so attached to the way they live

their life and their habbits. So many social activities include

eating or drinking something. I recently went to a friends house for

dinner, and she was asking what she could fix so that I could eat

with the family. Well, at the time I was only juicing and couldn't

eat anything. She said she felt bad not being able to fix something

for me to eat. She didn't want to leave me out. I appeased her a

little by mentioning the following, " plenty of people have

> eating restrictions these days. Just think of it as if I am on

weight watchers and can't eat the birthday cake and ice cream at the

birthday party - except with more restrictios " . I also told her that

I like the way I eat. Everything is so full of flavor and in it's

most beautiful and natural state. Easy for an adult to understand,

but perhaps not a child - especially if the child doesn't want to.

>

> To wrap things up here, perhaps the more heart to heart

conversations we can have with our children about the way we choose

to eat, the more they may feel ok about the Live Food choice. I am

trying to get my son to read to me out of raw books (or books like

Diet For A New America) while I prepare meals. That way the

information is not coming from me. I had him read Raw Family by the

Boutenkos. It was good for him to read about other kids making

the 'Raw' choice. Most children have a delicate heart, and if they

knew how the animals were treated, they might be turned on to the

Live Foods idea. I just keep talking to him about it. I realized

early on that I couldn't make him do it, that, ufortunately at age 10

he is too old for me to dictate to him that he will only eat Live

foods.

>

> Getting our children to make a Live Food choice may also be a

community effort - takes a village to raise a child and all that.

>

> Paula

>

>

> seattleponyrides <seattleponyrides@c...> wrote:

>

> I am new to the group too.

> I have a 10 year old daughter and a 5 year old daughter.

> I am in South Seattle.

>

> How do you folks with kids keep them raw when they go off to school

or go to

> grandmas?

>

> I'm trying to transition my kids.

>

> Trish

>

> Paula Wood [wolfmother1]

> Monday, November 15, 2004 7:33 AM

> RawSeattle

> Re: [RawSeattle] new to group

>

>

> Hi Cathy,

> I have a 10 year old son that would love to have some company his

age at

> the potlucks.

> Paula

>

> yellowrainbowgirl <yellowrainbow@h...> wrote:

>

>

> Hello, I'm new to the group. I am about to embark on a raw foods

> transition. I am currently eating vegetarian/vegan. I've been

eating

> vegetarian since I was 19. I am 34 now and I have an 8 year old

> daughter. I live in Kirkland and teach yoga. Are there any

potlucks

> to come soon?

>

> I look forward to meeting you!

> Cathy

>

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Hi Kittinose

 

Welcome to the group. Join in with any discussion, or start a new thread.

It's a little quieter on here at present than normal, but I am sure we will

be back to normal soon.

 

Jo

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kittinose;

Welcome, welcome! Sit down for a bit of vegan cake.

Hope you enjoy our little group.

sara

 

, " kittinose " <pawsup@m...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> I am new to the group and wanted to say hello. I am a vegan woman in

> Northern California and am happy to find a group with whom to share

> information, support and friendship. So thanks for all of your

posts,

> they are very appreciated!

>

> kittinose

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welocome and greetings and all that... kittinose Apr 1, 2005 2:27 PM New to Group Hi all, I am new to the group and wanted to say hello. I am a vegan woman in Northern California and am happy to find a group with whom to share information, support and friendship. So thanks for all of your posts, they are very appreciated!kittinose To send an email to -

 

 

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Gosh thanks, don't mind if I do! I am fond of, well, any flavor vegan

cake really. Although at the moment I am nibbling on a much more

sensible snack of " sea crunchies " and having mixed feelings about

them.

 

As a gesture of appreciation, here is a very easy and yummy potato

casserole recipe:

 

Ingredients:

- 2 large russet potatos

- 2 large yellow onions

- 2 Tofurky brand Kielbasa sausages

- 1 cup vegan cheese of choice (or substitute a mix of crumbled soft -

tofu tossed with brewers yeast and salt)

- Sea Salt

 

Directions:

Slice all ingredients about 1/4 inch thick except the cheese which

should be grated (or soft tofu mixture tossed). Oil a casserole dish

and layer as follows: bottom layer is potato slices, then a dash of

sea salt, then a layer of onion slices, then a layer of kielbasa

slices, then cheese. Repeat layers until all ingredients are used.

Cover if your casserole dish has a lid and bake at 350 degrees for

one hour.

 

This is hard core comfort food!

 

Kittinose

 

, " sara " <gagrip5> wrote:

>

> kittinose;

> Welcome, welcome! Sit down for a bit of vegan cake.

> Hope you enjoy our little group.

> sara

>

> , " kittinose " <pawsup@m...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I am new to the group and wanted to say hello. I am a vegan woman

in

> > Northern California and am happy to find a group with whom to

share

> > information, support and friendship. So thanks for all of your

> posts,

> > they are very appreciated!

> >

> > kittinose

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> I am new to the group and wanted to say hello. I am a vegan woman in

> Northern California and am happy to find a group with whom to share

> information, support and friendship. So thanks for all of your

posts, they are very appreciated!

>

> kittinose

 

Welcome aboard. Great group here - lots of good info. Where in

norcal are you? I'm east of San Francisco about 25 miles.

 

nancy

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In a message dated 10/2/05 11:43:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jbnsun writes:

 

.. I would like to reccomend a book

that I read recently called " Diet for a New America".

 

Hi, and welcome to the group. Interestingly enough this is the book that did it for me. Someone had left it at work and I picked it up 17 years ago.... my life was forever changed and I never looked back.

 

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I love to hear stories like this. I was given food samples and The Hare Krishna Cookbook along with beads in Venice Beach by the Krishna's over 25 yrs ago and I never looked back either, my second book was "Diet for a New America" TendrMoon wrote:

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.. I would like to reccomend a book that I read recently called " Diet for a New America". Hi, and welcome to the group. Interestingly enough this is the book that did it for me. Someone had left it at work and I picked it up 17 years ago.... my life was forever changed and I never looked back.TM "I guarantee you, this place willblow your mind."Source: Norman WhitfieldPsychedelic Shack

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Hi Sharon! I'm Whitney & welcome :0)

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Sharon Lee <sharon wrote:

Hi all,

 

I've just joined this group. I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 26

years and just made the switch to totally Vegan three months ago.

Looking forward to vegetarian group discussions

 

Sharon Lee

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nice to meet you Sharon.. I am not a vegetarian but I love this group

as I have found loads of recipes and info from the wonderful members

here....

 

Jenn B in Missouri

 

, Sharon Lee <sharon wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I've just joined this group. I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for

26

> years and just made the switch to totally Vegan three months ago.

> Looking forward to vegetarian group discussions

>

> Sharon Lee

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Hi Sharon, welcome to the garden of earthly delights and the best group (IMO) on

! I'm a lacto-ovo veggie for a bit over 20 years now. You'll love the

people here on the list and read the most incredible recipes that will be a

great addition to your cooking repertoire! Enjoy! Jeanne in GA

 

 

 

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Greetings Sharon,

 

Welcome to the group & congratulations on switching to veganism. (what

fun!!!) While i am not a vegan, i do limit my animal products & also refined

sugars & i am focusing now on increasing my RAW food...

 

Hope you find what you are looking for ( & more!)

 

angela

 

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be FAbuLOUS you...

 

visit my website 24/7/365: www.marykay.com/fabulous !

 

 

 

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Welcome Paula,

Sending smiles and hugs your way from

Colorado

 

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> Shout Out to all the vegetarians and vegans out there, I am new.

>

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Tracy, welcome and go to the site and to files and to recipes to find more

recipes than you will ever use!!! And delicious and tried!!

 

Marilyn Daub

mcdaub

Vanceburg, KY

My Cats Knead Me!!

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Tracy

Sunday, April 15, 2007 5:45 PM

new to group

 

 

Hello everyone! My name is Tracy and I am from central Pa. I am a single

Mom of 5 great kids...all but 1 grown. I cook vegetarian about once a week

but due to my health, would like to learn more. Your group was recommended

to me by Starwomen123. She says hello by the way. Please bear with me as I

tend to get lost if I get to much e-mail. I hope everyone is safe and

warm...its not here in Pa.

 

Tracy from Pa.

Nobody fails if they try.

 

 

 

Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

Check outnew cars at Autos.

 

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Go to the main page of the group on , click on file and then

click on recipes. There are tons of them there, and there are kids recipes

there.

 

Marilyn Daub

mcdaub

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My Cats Knead Me!!

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jlgfellers

Friday, June 15, 2007 10:33 PM

New to Group

 

 

Hello all!

 

I'm new here, but I thought I would jump in feet first by asking a

question.

 

My partner and I are ovo/lacto vegetarians since Nov. 2006. Initially, we

became vegetarians for health reasons--it has helped my Rheumatoid Arthritis

in amazing ways, settled both our stomachs too--but now we are becoming more

and more aware of the ethical issues. The weight loss (thirty pounds for me,

twenty for my partner) has been nice as well.

 

I am always looking for new recipes and tips on making vegetarianism

easier to " digest " for our three kiddos. They are still very much omnivores,

but since I don't keep meat at home... :-) I do try to make things more

appetizing for them but am trying to phase out the meat replacers for

economic reasons. This is proving to be a difficult process with teens in

the house.

 

Does anyone have any tips or tricks that they use with their kids?

 

Any advise would be most appreciated.

 

Thanks,

 

Jeanne

 

 

 

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Welcome, Angel. You will find some wonderful, mouthwatering recipies here and

all the suppost you need.

Katie

 

natrlrmony <aerickson1 wrote:

Hi All,

 

I'm new to the Group as of today! I'm so happy I found you.

Have been trying to get red meat out of my diet and need to find

recipes other than tofu! I'm looking forward to chatting with you all,

and I need all the help I can get with vegitarian cooking!

 

Thanks for any and all advice....

Angel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wow, you seem to be on the right track and doing something right.

Congratulations on the 8 pounds weight loss. That's great and it's also great

that you

have a group of people doing the biggest loser.

 

Keep us posted on your success as well as the rest of the group. I'm at such

a stand still with weight loss. No matter what I try I'm not losing it. I

know part of my reason is because I don't have a thyroid but still!

 

I heard the Moosewood books are great. I've looked at a few vegetarian books

at the book store but get confused on what to buy.

 

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