Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2004 I think the point you are missing is that a vegan never chooses to eat a teaspoon of any animal product - ever. The word vegetarian describes someone who does not eat any flesh or by products of slaughter. There is no definition of the amount of dairy etc that they eat - it could be one teaspoonful every 20 years or 2lb a day - they are still vegetarian. You cannot choose to eat a tiny amount of animal product and call yourself vegan - it is a lie. Jo - lv2breathe Cc: Lv2breathe Monday, August 02, 2004 4:48 AM Re: New To Group In a message dated 8/1/04 4:48:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 21 Sun, 1 Aug 2004 23:44:57 +0100 "Peter" <metalscarabRe: Re: New to GroupHi K> Okay, that's fine. But you know, with the overall scheme of things. and the the length of time where I have abstained from flesh (almost 20> years now), and all the time I've spent at demos and letter writing, and all the donations I've been giving AR groups...pretty much since I was> 18 years old...I feel like a vegan. But that's fine....I shall call myself a veg who does not eat eggs and avoids leather and avoids animal tested> products, etc etc.It would seem that you are saying that you consider yourself to be somehow above the term "vegetarian". I wonder how other vegetarians would react to this indictment of their effo! rts - I think I would feel quite insulted.Perhaps you could explain what is wrong with the term "vegetarian"? I see nothing shameful about the use of that label.The word vegan refers to what you consume, it does not refer to what you feel like, or to what other great things you have done for animals, humans, or anything else.Personally, I was involved in animal rights for a couple of years before turning vegetarian (let alone vegan), but I didn't think my efforts made me something I wasn't.BBPeter Oh, please don't take offense. Offense wasn't meant, at all! I just don't feel I am just vegetarian! My diet is based on beans and grains...I consciously choose my personal and cleaning products to make sure they weren't put in bunnies eyes, I avoid leather as much as I can, I make a lot of effort to get the correct food (even today eating with my biking group...I just ate hash browns). I wouldn't mind being called vegetarian IF I was just a veg...but I go further than that. That is all. Please don't be offended...it's not the point. K To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2004 That would be the correct way to describe yourself. Jo - lv2breathe Cc: Lv2breathe Monday, August 02, 2004 4:58 AM Re:New to Group In a message dated 8/1/04 4:48:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: In a message dated 8/1/04 1:40:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 15 Sat, 31 Jul 2004 23:27:11 +0100 "Jo" <Heartwork Re: Re: New to Group NO! Definitely not. One could say I am vegetarian who doesn't eat dairy/eggs or whatever. One could say that one is teetotal 98% of the time but drinks alcohol 2% of the time. Jo - lv2breathe Cc: Lv2breathe Saturday, July 31, 2004 9:49 PM & nbs! p; Re: New to Group Maybe the word "veganish" would apply....or one could say "I am 98% vegan, the rest of the time vegetarian". K In a message dated 7/31/04 4:12:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vegan_! chat writes: There is nothing wrong with calling yourself vegetarian though, if you do eat some animal products, or don't make a really big effort to avoid all animal products. I am sure most vegetarians get annoyed when people who eat fish and chicken, but have given up red meat, call themselves vegetarian. I feel it is good to encourage everyone, and as I have lots of omnivorous friends, do not consider m! yself to be very judgemental - just don't see the harm in being called vegetarian. Jo Okay, that's fine. But you know, with the overall scheme of things. and the the length of time where I have abstained from flesh (almost 20 years now), and all the time I've spent at demos and letter writing, and all the donations I've been giving AR groups...pretty much since I was 18 years old...I feel like a vegan. But that's fine....I shall call myself a veg who does not eat eggs and avoids leather and avoids animal tested products, etc etc. K To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2004 Precisely! Jo - Sheri Lazar- Transport Sunday, August 01, 2004 10:38 PM Re: Re: New to Group kind of like pregnant or not pregnant.... you can't be just 'a little bit pregnant'... you are, or you aren't ;=] - Jo Saturday, July 31, 2004 6:27 PM Re: Re: New to Group NO! Definitely not. One could say I am vegetarian who doesn't eat dairy/eggs or whatever. One could say that one is teetotal 98% of the time but drinks alcohol 2% of the time. Jo - lv2breathe Cc: Lv2breathe Saturday, July 31, 2004 9:49 PM Re: New to Group Maybe the word "veganish" would apply....or one could say "I am 98% vegan, the rest of the time vegetarian". K In a message dated 7/31/04 4:12:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: There isnothing wrong with calling yourself vegetarian though, if you do eat someanimal products, or don't make a really big effort to avoid all animalproducts. I am sure most vegetarians get annoyed when people who eat fishand chicken, but have given up red meat, call themselves vegetarian.I feel it is good to encourage everyone, and as I have lots of omnivorousfriends, do not consider myself to be very judgemental - just don't see theharm in being called vegetarian.Jo To send an email to - To send an email to - To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2004 Whew, thanks. Vegan I be, then. And someone on this list turned me on to Pangaea's New Balance Shoes, which are Vegan and lovely, thank you very much. Cynthia - Peter Monday, August 02, 2004 12:35 PM Re: Re: New to Group Hi Cynthia > Okay. Just wondering if someone could define the term "Vegan" then? According to the OED, it is defined as "(Person) eating no animals or animal products"... since dairy is an animal product, if you eat it (even ocassionally), you aren't vegan! BB PeterTo send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Hi Cathy, Welcome to the list! Susan (the woman who sat on your left last night) also lives in Kirkland and mentioned that she might be willing to host a potluck. I'll give her a call and see if I can give her a little nudge. The eastside raw food 'community' seems to be growing! There are also some Thanksgiving events coming up, I believe, which you can check out at the RawSeattle website. Nora yellowrainbowgirl wrote: > Hello, I'm new to the group. I am about to embark on a raw foods > transition. I am currently eating vegetarian/vegan. I've been eating > vegetarian since I was 19. I am 34 now and I have an 8 year old > daughter. I live in Kirkland and teach yoga. Are there any potlucks > to come soon? > > I look forward to meeting you! > Cathy > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Hi Cathy, I have a 10 year old son that would love to have some company his age at the potlucks. Paula yellowrainbowgirl <yellowrainbow wrote: Hello, I'm new to the group. I am about to embark on a raw foods transition. I am currently eating vegetarian/vegan. I've been eating vegetarian since I was 19. I am 34 now and I have an 8 year old daughter. I live in Kirkland and teach yoga. Are there any potlucks to come soon? I look forward to meeting you! Cathy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I am new to the group too. I have a 10 year old daughter and a 5 year old daughter. I am in South Seattle. How do you folks with kids keep them raw when they go off to school or go to grandmas? I'm trying to transition my kids. Trish Paula Wood [wolfmother1] Monday, November 15, 2004 7:33 AM RawSeattle Re: [RawSeattle] new to group Hi Cathy, I have a 10 year old son that would love to have some company his age at the potlucks. Paula yellowrainbowgirl <yellowrainbow wrote: Hello, I'm new to the group. I am about to embark on a raw foods transition. I am currently eating vegetarian/vegan. I've been eating vegetarian since I was 19. I am 34 now and I have an 8 year old daughter. I live in Kirkland and teach yoga. Are there any potlucks to come soon? I look forward to meeting you! Cathy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I am very sad to say that my 10 year old son is still eating the Standard American Diet. He will eat Live food at potlucks, but when I try to fix him something at home, he turns his nose up at it and refuses to eat. When I first started eating Live foods (January 2004) I told him he had to eat what I ate when he was around me - basically every meal I fixed for us was raw, and that's what he was to eat. If we were out, at grandmas house or somewhere, he could eat whatever they were serving. Well, it backfired on me. All he would eat was fruit when he was with me. He ended up gaining a good 10 pounds. (I think people were feeling sorry for him - his evil mother giving him all this healthy food! - They gave him extra servings and extra sweets.) So, now I have him on basically the South Beach Diet which promotes whole foods. Still it's hard for him when he can't have soda, popcorn, candy, cookies, Fruit Rollups and all the other CRAP parents are feeding their kids today. He takes it personally, and feels like I am being a mean mom, turning him into a freak. I end up feeling guilty either way. It's difficult to go against the grain of society. And I feel extremely frustrated about it. My heart hurts every time I see an obese child - or adult for that matter. It hurts because I now know the answer, but talking about it to most people seems to be like casting pearls to swine. I have been talking to dear friends about my experiences eating Live foods since January, when I started. One of them has decided to try a 30 day cleanse, eating only raw food. But that's only one. People are so attached to the way they live their life and their habbits. So many social activities include eating or drinking something. I recently went to a friends house for dinner, and she was asking what she could fix so that I could eat with the family. Well, at the time I was only juicing and couldn't eat anything. She said she felt bad not being able to fix something for me to eat. She didn't want to leave me out. I appeased her a little by mentioning the following, " plenty of people have eating restrictions these days. Just think of it as if I am on weight watchers and can't eat the birthday cake and ice cream at the birthday party - except with more restrictios " . I also told her that I like the way I eat. Everything is so full of flavor and in it's most beautiful and natural state. Easy for an adult to understand, but perhaps not a child - especially if the child doesn't want to. To wrap things up here, perhaps the more heart to heart conversations we can have with our children about the way we choose to eat, the more they may feel ok about the Live Food choice. I am trying to get my son to read to me out of raw books (or books like Diet For A New America) while I prepare meals. That way the information is not coming from me. I had him read Raw Family by the Boutenkos. It was good for him to read about other kids making the 'Raw' choice. Most children have a delicate heart, and if they knew how the animals were treated, they might be turned on to the Live Foods idea. I just keep talking to him about it. I realized early on that I couldn't make him do it, that, ufortunately at age 10 he is too old for me to dictate to him that he will only eat Live foods. Getting our children to make a Live Food choice may also be a community effort - takes a village to raise a child and all that. Paula seattleponyrides <seattleponyrides wrote: I am new to the group too. I have a 10 year old daughter and a 5 year old daughter. I am in South Seattle. How do you folks with kids keep them raw when they go off to school or go to grandmas? I'm trying to transition my kids. Trish Paula Wood [wolfmother1] Monday, November 15, 2004 7:33 AM RawSeattle Re: [RawSeattle] new to group Hi Cathy, I have a 10 year old son that would love to have some company his age at the potlucks. Paula yellowrainbowgirl <yellowrainbow wrote: Hello, I'm new to the group. I am about to embark on a raw foods transition. I am currently eating vegetarian/vegan. I've been eating vegetarian since I was 19. I am 34 now and I have an 8 year old daughter. I live in Kirkland and teach yoga. Are there any potlucks to come soon? I look forward to meeting you! Cathy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Here's an unconventional idea for raising kids to eat properly. If you think it might work, it's worth a try. Use a rewards system in this manner: If your child eats what you serve him for a certain period of days, offer to " reward " him with anything he wants to eat. I know you'll be cringing as he wolfs down a bunch of junk food, but if that's what he chooses, he probably will notice a difference in his energy and well being. Ask him if he feels any different. The point is to get him to see the effects of different types of diets. With some children this would work really well, others may be healthy and young enough to not notice that much of a difference between the two. Ron RawSeattle , Paula Wood <wolfmother1> wrote: > I am very sad to say that my 10 year old son is still eating the Standard American Diet. He will eat Live food at potlucks, but when I try to fix him something at home, he turns his nose up at it and refuses to eat. When I first started eating Live foods (January 2004) I told him he had to eat what I ate when he was around me - basically every meal I fixed for us was raw, and that's what he was to eat. If we were out, at grandmas house or somewhere, he could eat whatever they were serving. Well, it backfired on me. All he would eat was fruit when he was with me. He ended up gaining a good 10 pounds. (I think people were feeling sorry for him - his evil mother giving him all this healthy food! - They gave him extra servings and extra sweets.) So, now I have him on basically the South Beach Diet which promotes whole foods. Still it's hard for him when he can't have soda, popcorn, candy, cookies, Fruit Rollups and all the other CRAP parents are feeding their kids today. He > takes it personally, and feels like I am being a mean mom, turning him into a freak. I end up feeling guilty either way. > > It's difficult to go against the grain of society. And I feel extremely frustrated about it. My heart hurts every time I see an obese child - or adult for that matter. It hurts because I now know the answer, but talking about it to most people seems to be like casting pearls to swine. I have been talking to dear friends about my experiences eating Live foods since January, when I started. One of them has decided to try a 30 day cleanse, eating only raw food. But that's only one. People are so attached to the way they live their life and their habbits. So many social activities include eating or drinking something. I recently went to a friends house for dinner, and she was asking what she could fix so that I could eat with the family. Well, at the time I was only juicing and couldn't eat anything. She said she felt bad not being able to fix something for me to eat. She didn't want to leave me out. I appeased her a little by mentioning the following, " plenty of people have > eating restrictions these days. Just think of it as if I am on weight watchers and can't eat the birthday cake and ice cream at the birthday party - except with more restrictios " . I also told her that I like the way I eat. Everything is so full of flavor and in it's most beautiful and natural state. Easy for an adult to understand, but perhaps not a child - especially if the child doesn't want to. > > To wrap things up here, perhaps the more heart to heart conversations we can have with our children about the way we choose to eat, the more they may feel ok about the Live Food choice. I am trying to get my son to read to me out of raw books (or books like Diet For A New America) while I prepare meals. That way the information is not coming from me. I had him read Raw Family by the Boutenkos. It was good for him to read about other kids making the 'Raw' choice. Most children have a delicate heart, and if they knew how the animals were treated, they might be turned on to the Live Foods idea. I just keep talking to him about it. I realized early on that I couldn't make him do it, that, ufortunately at age 10 he is too old for me to dictate to him that he will only eat Live foods. > > Getting our children to make a Live Food choice may also be a community effort - takes a village to raise a child and all that. > > Paula > > > seattleponyrides <seattleponyrides@c...> wrote: > > I am new to the group too. > I have a 10 year old daughter and a 5 year old daughter. > I am in South Seattle. > > How do you folks with kids keep them raw when they go off to school or go to > grandmas? > > I'm trying to transition my kids. > > Trish > > Paula Wood [wolfmother1] > Monday, November 15, 2004 7:33 AM > RawSeattle > Re: [RawSeattle] new to group > > > Hi Cathy, > I have a 10 year old son that would love to have some company his age at > the potlucks. > Paula > > yellowrainbowgirl <yellowrainbow@h...> wrote: > > > Hello, I'm new to the group. I am about to embark on a raw foods > transition. I am currently eating vegetarian/vegan. I've been eating > vegetarian since I was 19. I am 34 now and I have an 8 year old > daughter. I live in Kirkland and teach yoga. Are there any potlucks > to come soon? > > I look forward to meeting you! > Cathy > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 1, 2005 Hi Kittinose Welcome to the group. Join in with any discussion, or start a new thread. It's a little quieter on here at present than normal, but I am sure we will be back to normal soon. Jo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 1, 2005 kittinose; Welcome, welcome! Sit down for a bit of vegan cake. Hope you enjoy our little group. sara , " kittinose " <pawsup@m...> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I am new to the group and wanted to say hello. I am a vegan woman in > Northern California and am happy to find a group with whom to share > information, support and friendship. So thanks for all of your posts, > they are very appreciated! > > kittinose Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 1, 2005 welocome and greetings and all that... kittinose Apr 1, 2005 2:27 PM New to Group Hi all, I am new to the group and wanted to say hello. I am a vegan woman in Northern California and am happy to find a group with whom to share information, support and friendship. So thanks for all of your posts, they are very appreciated!kittinose To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 1, 2005 Gosh thanks, don't mind if I do! I am fond of, well, any flavor vegan cake really. Although at the moment I am nibbling on a much more sensible snack of " sea crunchies " and having mixed feelings about them. As a gesture of appreciation, here is a very easy and yummy potato casserole recipe: Ingredients: - 2 large russet potatos - 2 large yellow onions - 2 Tofurky brand Kielbasa sausages - 1 cup vegan cheese of choice (or substitute a mix of crumbled soft - tofu tossed with brewers yeast and salt) - Sea Salt Directions: Slice all ingredients about 1/4 inch thick except the cheese which should be grated (or soft tofu mixture tossed). Oil a casserole dish and layer as follows: bottom layer is potato slices, then a dash of sea salt, then a layer of onion slices, then a layer of kielbasa slices, then cheese. Repeat layers until all ingredients are used. Cover if your casserole dish has a lid and bake at 350 degrees for one hour. This is hard core comfort food! Kittinose , " sara " <gagrip5> wrote: > > kittinose; > Welcome, welcome! Sit down for a bit of vegan cake. > Hope you enjoy our little group. > sara > > , " kittinose " <pawsup@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am new to the group and wanted to say hello. I am a vegan woman in > > Northern California and am happy to find a group with whom to share > > information, support and friendship. So thanks for all of your > posts, > > they are very appreciated! > > > > kittinose Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 1, 2005 > I am new to the group and wanted to say hello. I am a vegan woman in > Northern California and am happy to find a group with whom to share > information, support and friendship. So thanks for all of your posts, they are very appreciated! > > kittinose Welcome aboard. Great group here - lots of good info. Where in norcal are you? I'm east of San Francisco about 25 miles. nancy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2005 In a message dated 10/2/05 11:43:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jbnsun writes: .. I would like to reccomend a book that I read recently called " Diet for a New America". Hi, and welcome to the group. Interestingly enough this is the book that did it for me. Someone had left it at work and I picked it up 17 years ago.... my life was forever changed and I never looked back. TM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2005 I love to hear stories like this. I was given food samples and The Hare Krishna Cookbook along with beads in Venice Beach by the Krishna's over 25 yrs ago and I never looked back either, my second book was "Diet for a New America" TendrMoon wrote: In a message dated 10/2/05 11:43:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jbnsun writes: .. I would like to reccomend a book that I read recently called " Diet for a New America". Hi, and welcome to the group. Interestingly enough this is the book that did it for me. Someone had left it at work and I picked it up 17 years ago.... my life was forever changed and I never looked back.TM "I guarantee you, this place willblow your mind."Source: Norman WhitfieldPsychedelic Shack for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2006 Hi Sharon! I'm Whitney & welcome :0) Whit Sharon Lee <sharon wrote: Hi all, I've just joined this group. I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 26 years and just made the switch to totally Vegan three months ago. Looking forward to vegetarian group discussions Sharon Lee ~*~Whitney~*~ Feminism is the radical notion that women are people. Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2006 Nice to meet you Sharon.. I am not a vegetarian but I love this group as I have found loads of recipes and info from the wonderful members here.... Jenn B in Missouri , Sharon Lee <sharon wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've just joined this group. I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 26 > years and just made the switch to totally Vegan three months ago. > Looking forward to vegetarian group discussions > > Sharon Lee > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2006 Hi Sharon, welcome to the garden of earthly delights and the best group (IMO) on ! I'm a lacto-ovo veggie for a bit over 20 years now. You'll love the people here on the list and read the most incredible recipes that will be a great addition to your cooking repertoire! Enjoy! Jeanne in GA Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 11, 2006 Greetings Sharon, Welcome to the group & congratulations on switching to veganism. (what fun!!!) While i am not a vegan, i do limit my animal products & also refined sugars & i am focusing now on increasing my RAW food... Hope you find what you are looking for ( & more!) angela -- be FAbuLOUS you... visit my website 24/7/365: www.marykay.com/fabulous ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Welcome Paula, Sending smiles and hugs your way from Colorado , " Paula " <paulahandlon wrote: > > Shout Out to all the vegetarians and vegans out there, I am new. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 15, 2007 Tracy, welcome and go to the site and to files and to recipes to find more recipes than you will ever use!!! And delicious and tried!! Marilyn Daub mcdaub Vanceburg, KY My Cats Knead Me!! - Tracy Sunday, April 15, 2007 5:45 PM new to group Hello everyone! My name is Tracy and I am from central Pa. I am a single Mom of 5 great kids...all but 1 grown. I cook vegetarian about once a week but due to my health, would like to learn more. Your group was recommended to me by Starwomen123. She says hello by the way. Please bear with me as I tend to get lost if I get to much e-mail. I hope everyone is safe and warm...its not here in Pa. Tracy from Pa. Nobody fails if they try. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2007 Go to the main page of the group on , click on file and then click on recipes. There are tons of them there, and there are kids recipes there. Marilyn Daub mcdaub Vanceburg, KY My Cats Knead Me!! - jlgfellers Friday, June 15, 2007 10:33 PM New to Group Hello all! I'm new here, but I thought I would jump in feet first by asking a question. My partner and I are ovo/lacto vegetarians since Nov. 2006. Initially, we became vegetarians for health reasons--it has helped my Rheumatoid Arthritis in amazing ways, settled both our stomachs too--but now we are becoming more and more aware of the ethical issues. The weight loss (thirty pounds for me, twenty for my partner) has been nice as well. I am always looking for new recipes and tips on making vegetarianism easier to " digest " for our three kiddos. They are still very much omnivores, but since I don't keep meat at home... :-) I do try to make things more appetizing for them but am trying to phase out the meat replacers for economic reasons. This is proving to be a difficult process with teens in the house. Does anyone have any tips or tricks that they use with their kids? Any advise would be most appreciated. Thanks, Jeanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 7, 2007 Welcome, Angel. You will find some wonderful, mouthwatering recipies here and all the suppost you need. Katie natrlrmony <aerickson1 wrote: Hi All, I'm new to the Group as of today! I'm so happy I found you. Have been trying to get red meat out of my diet and need to find recipes other than tofu! I'm looking forward to chatting with you all, and I need all the help I can get with vegitarian cooking! Thanks for any and all advice.... Angel Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 27, 2007 Rhoda Jayne ... Wow, you seem to be on the right track and doing something right. Congratulations on the 8 pounds weight loss. That's great and it's also great that you have a group of people doing the biggest loser. Keep us posted on your success as well as the rest of the group. I'm at such a stand still with weight loss. No matter what I try I'm not losing it. I know part of my reason is because I don't have a thyroid but still! I heard the Moosewood books are great. I've looked at a few vegetarian books at the book store but get confused on what to buy. Barb D ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites