New to group

October 29, 2000

are you allergic to wheat as well?

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" Debby " <angels589

Sunday, October 29, 2000 6:56 PM

new to group

> My 14 year old daughter and I are in the process of becoming

> vegetarian. It was my doctors advice to just start cutting back on

> how many times a week we eat meat. I don't eat that much to begin

> with anyway. My problem is that I am allergic to soy and most

> vegetarian recipes that I've seen contain it. Also, most vegetarian

> products on the market contain soy. What can I do? deb

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November 2, 2000

aphrodite, no I am not allergic to wheat. deb

, " aphrodite " <aphrodite@p...>

wrote:

> are you allergic to wheat as well?

> -

> " Debby " <angels589@a...>

>

> Sunday, October 29, 2000 6:56 PM

> new to group

>

> > My 14 year old daughter and I are in the process of becoming

> > vegetarian. It was my doctors advice to just start cutting back

on

> > how many times a week we eat meat. I don't eat that much to begin

> > with anyway. My problem is that I am allergic to soy and most

> > vegetarian recipes that I've seen contain it. Also, most

vegetarian

> > products on the market contain soy. What can I do? deb

> >

> > contact owner: -owner

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> > no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowed

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November 3, 2000

well in that case there are a lot of wheat gluten products out there for you

to try. they are tasty, versitile, and fun to cook with.

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" Debby " <angels589

Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:32 AM

Re: new to group

> aphrodite, no I am not allergic to wheat. deb

>

> , " aphrodite " <aphrodite@p...>

> wrote:

> > are you allergic to wheat as well?

> > -

> > " Debby " <angels589@a...>

> >

> > Sunday, October 29, 2000 6:56 PM

> > new to group

> >

> > > My 14 year old daughter and I are in the process of becoming

> > > vegetarian. It was my doctors advice to just start cutting back

> on

> > > how many times a week we eat meat. I don't eat that much to begin

> > > with anyway. My problem is that I am allergic to soy and most

> > > vegetarian recipes that I've seen contain it. Also, most

> vegetarian

> > > products on the market contain soy. What can I do? deb

> > >

> > > contact owner: -owner

> > > Mail list:

> > > Delivered-mailing list

> > > List-Un: -

> > >

> > > no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowed

> > > contact owner with complaints regarding posting/list

> > > or anything else. Thank you.

> > > please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list

> > >

>

> contact owner: -owner

> Mail list:

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>

> no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowed

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December 1, 2001

HI everyone. I am new, too. My name is Shawna and I

live in California. I have NEVER liked meat, even as a

child. I'm always the one left eating only the side

dishes. lol My husband is a BIG TIME meat and potatoes

kind of guy. I am loving all the new recipes that

y'all have sent out. I don't use the meat substitutes.

And I am looking for recipes that my family and I can

both eat and enjoy together.

I look forward to more yummy recipes, and getting to

know all of you. Have a great day!

--- carolyn neill <creiki wrote:

> Hi!

>

> Carolyn in West Texas here! Just joined and think

> the

> recipes are great. Quit eating animal products for

> a

> " spiritual cleanse " before a meditation class as

> recommended by the teacher and never went back.

> Almost

> a year ago.Still live with carnivores though so I am

> always looking for recipes that everyone will like.

> Thanks,

> Carolyn

>

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>

=====

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January 30, 2003

Warm welcomes, Lady Elisa.

I know some people miss certain types of meat when they turn

vegetarian. I think the thing I can confess I miss most is shell

fish; lobster,

crab, shrimp etc.

If chicken is your thing, I was wondering if you had tried any of the

chicken-like vegetarian product now on the market? Some of them are

really

good and quite convenient, too. Just a thought.

I hope some of our recipes will inspire you. Cheers!

::: lifts glass of cabernet sauignon:::

~ PT ~

Peace can be reached through meditation on the knowledge which dreams

give. Peace can also be reached through concentration upon that which

is dearest to the heart.

~ Patanjali

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>

, " Lady Elisa the Mad <

gothbutterfli> " <gothbutterfli> wrote:

> Hello all!

> I am new to the group. My name is Elisa. I am mostly veg.

> Unfortunately i fall back on chicken sometimes (very occaissonally)

> because i don't know enough veggie recipes. I stopped eating meat

> because i couldn;t stand the taste. I haven't eaten any red meat

> in... i don't know, 5 or 6 years.

> Any questions just ask!

> ~Lady Elisa

January 30, 2003

Not really into the fake meat thing. I tried Boca

burgers once it was weird. i likes veggies tastes!

ok so i am a complete nut.

~Lady ELisa

--- " ~ P_T ~ <patchouli_troll "

<patchouli_troll wrote:

> Warm welcomes, Lady Elisa.

>

> I know some people miss certain types of meat when

> they turn

> vegetarian. I think the thing I can confess I miss

> most is shell

> fish; lobster,

> crab, shrimp etc.

>

> If chicken is your thing, I was wondering if you had

> tried any of the

> chicken-like vegetarian product now on the market?

> Some of them are

> really

> good and quite convenient, too. Just a thought.

>

> I hope some of our recipes will inspire you. Cheers!

> ::: lifts glass of cabernet sauignon:::

>

> ~ PT ~

>

> Peace can be reached through meditation on the

> knowledge which dreams

> give. Peace can also be reached through

> concentration upon that which

> is dearest to the heart.

> ~ Patanjali

> ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>

> , " Lady

> Elisa the Mad <

> gothbutterfli> " <gothbutterfli> wrote:

> > Hello all!

> > I am new to the group. My name is Elisa. I am

> mostly veg.

> > Unfortunately i fall back on chicken sometimes

> (very occaissonally)

> > because i don't know enough veggie recipes. I

> stopped eating meat

> > because i couldn;t stand the taste. I haven't

> eaten any red meat

> > in... i don't know, 5 or 6 years.

> > Any questions just ask!

> > ~Lady Elisa

>

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February 9, 2004

welcome and salutations randi

congrats on going veg and all that

if ya have any questions, ask away....

and just join in anytime ya feel like gabbin...on just about anything...

cheers

fraggle

February 9, 2004

hey, when i went vegan (1 1/2 months ago), i still had old products...in

fact i still do! i went lotion crazy a while back and i have like 6 full

bottles of lotion right now from bath and body works, they don't test on

animals which is good, but one of the ingrediants in the lotions is urea

which is found in animal urine, which is strange cuz it is kinda weird to be

rubbing part of animal urine on your hands and legs!!

anyway, i've realized now that i'm a vegan that i care a ton about the

environment, too! so i am buying a lot of stuff online now at vegan

webpages, but also at whole foods, and it's all vegan and also good for the

environment ....kiss my face is a good brand, and tom's of maine, too. i am

on my last tube of nonvegan toothpaste, i still have all those bottles of

lotion to finish, i have a few tubes of chap stick that are all almost done,

and then a bit of shampoo....i really hate to be wasteful so i am going to

finish everything i have now, but eventually all my supplies will be vegan

and environmentally friendly

~Vegan~Kitten~

(Sheila Rendelman)

If animals believed in god, humans would be the devil.

Herbivore, carnivore, or omnivore???

JAW MOTION

carnivore: shearing

omnivore: shearing

herbivore: no shear, side to side, up and down

human: no shear, side to side, up and down

MOUTH OPENING VS HEAD SIZE

carnivore: large

omnivore: large

herbivore: small

human: small

TEETH (CANINES)

carnivore: sharp, jagged

omnivore: sharp and/or flattened

herbivore: flattened

human: flattened'

CHEWING

carnivore: none, swallows food whole

omnivore: swallows food whole and/or crushing

herbivore: chewing necessary

human: chewing necessary

SALIVA

carnivore: no digestive enzymes

omnivore: no digestive enzymes

herbivore: carbohydrate diguesting enzymes

human: carbohydrate digesting enzymes

STOMACH ACIDITY

carnivore: less than or equal to ph1 with food in stomach

omnivore: less than or equal to ph1 with food in stomach

herbivore: ph4-5 with food in stomach

human: ph4-5 with food in stomach

> " randi127 " <randi127

>

> new to group

>Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:15:52 -0000

>

>Hey everybody!

> I searched ! for a vegan group and out of the 100 I looked

>at, this one seemed the most active. I've been a vegetarian since

>July. I tried to go vegan then, but it was soooo hard. My whole

>family thought I was crazy, and it seemed like everything had at

>least some animal product in it. So I decided, for the time being,

>to stop eating animals(I never really liked beef anyway)and quit

>drinking milk.

> It was easy to stop eating animal flesh, and once I started

>drinking soy milk, I realized that I never actually liked the taste

>of cow's milk, I just liked the texture.

> I've only been a vegan for 3 weeks, but I've been thinking

>about it since July. I recently got a few books on the subject,

>which really drove me to give up all animal products. At least diet-

>wise. I know there have got to be some in my shampoo, soap, perfume

>etc. -but I am trying.

> I don't know any vegans, or vegetarians, now that I think of

>it... So I just wanted to say hi. " Hi " Randi

>

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February 9, 2004

Hi Randi - welcome to the list. I hope you enjoy our company.

Jo

July 30, 2004

In a message dated 7/30/04 4:54:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

Hi IanI have to disagree. If you are to call yourself vegan I think you shouldmake every effort, at least with food and drink and toileteries etc. to makesure that they are totally animal free. The reason I say this is becausethe vast majority of vegans are ethical vegans, and it is very important toavoid animal ingredients. If someone doesn't want to be too bothered aboutit, maybe they should call themselves vegetarians.Jo

I always buy cruelty-free cleaning and personal products. That's one thing I don't give in on. And I also avoid eggs, even in small amounts. However, milk products in small amounts I am not going to worry about too much...but that doesn't come often. I also don't worry about film (although starting to use digital) or tires or the roads. I do avoid leather but I did buy one sweater that had an itsy bitsy piece of leather on it. I didn't worry about it and that was only one time.

I always wondered, and didn't like, how much animal product I was picking up when I would eat a vegetarian dish at a meat restaurant. See, if I want to visit with my mother...I would have to go. So I guess I am not pure, either...if I occasionally go to meat restaurants (believe me, I much prefer to ONLY go to veg restaurants) to socialize with my family.

July 30, 2004

Same here - I love going to veggie restaurants, but sometimes you can't help but go to others, usually to be with friends or family. I think it is probably impossible to avoid using anything with animals in - it's just good that we try.

Jo

-

lv2breathe

Cc: Lv2breathe

Friday, July 30, 2004 3:32 PM

Re:New to Group

In a message dated 7/30/04 4:54:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

Hi IanI have to disagree. If you are to call yourself vegan I think you shouldmake every effort, at least with food and drink and toileteries etc. to makesure that they are totally animal free. The reason I say this is becausethe vast majority of vegans are ethical vegans, and it is very important toavoid animal ingredients. If someone doesn't want to be too bothered aboutit, maybe they should call themselves vegetarians.Jo

I always buy cruelty-free cleaning and personal products. That's one thing I don't give in on. And I also avoid eggs, even in small amounts. However, milk products in small amounts I am not going to worry about too much...but that doesn't come often. I also don't worry about film (although starting to use digital) or tires or the roads. I do avoid leather but I did buy one sweater that had an itsy bitsy piece of leather on it. I didn't worry about it and that was only one time.

I always wondered, and didn't like, how much animal product I was picking up when I would eat a vegetarian dish at a meat restaurant. See, if I want to visit with my mother...I would have to go. So I guess I am not pure, either...if I occasionally go to meat restaurants (believe me, I much prefer to ONLY go to veg restaurants) to socialize with my family.To send an email to -

July 30, 2004

I said anything in my previous mail and meant to say 'everything'

Jo

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Jo

Friday, July 30, 2004 4:13 PM

Re: Re:New to Group

Same here - I love going to veggie restaurants, but sometimes you can't help but go to others, usually to be with friends or family. I think it is probably impossible to avoid using anything with animals in - it's just good that we try.

Jo

-

lv2breathe

Cc: Lv2breathe

Friday, July 30, 2004 3:32 PM

Re:New to Group

In a message dated 7/30/04 4:54:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

Hi IanI have to disagree. If you are to call yourself vegan I think you shouldmake every effort, at least with food and drink and toileteries etc. to makesure that they are totally animal free. The reason I say this is becausethe vast majority of vegans are ethical vegans, and it is very important toavoid animal ingredients. If someone doesn't want to be too bothered aboutit, maybe they should call themselves vegetarians.Jo

I always buy cruelty-free cleaning and personal products. That's one thing I don't give in on. And I also avoid eggs, even in small amounts. However, milk products in small amounts I am not going to worry about too much...but that doesn't come often. I also don't worry about film (although starting to use digital) or tires or the roads. I do avoid leather but I did buy one sweater that had an itsy bitsy piece of leather on it. I didn't worry about it and that was only one time.

I always wondered, and didn't like, how much animal product I was picking up when I would eat a vegetarian dish at a meat restaurant. See, if I want to visit with my mother...I would have to go. So I guess I am not pure, either...if I occasionally go to meat restaurants (believe me, I much prefer to ONLY go to veg restaurants) to socialize with my family.To send an email to - To send an email to -

July 30, 2004

OK, I was wanting to stay out of this one, but I can't! So, here's my

take on this stuff. Anyone who's made is making the switch to

vegan/vegetarianism, has only the best of intentions, and clearly a

great concern for animals (I suppose there might be some out there who

are only concerned with their own health issues, but I'm leaving them

out of this for now). So, if in a search for a like minded, supportive

community, a new vegan not only learns that animal products are used in

the production of a vast array of things he or she had no idea about,

but also finds him/herself faced with great pressure to give up all of

those things as well, at the same moment he/she is adjusting to the

vegan diet (by which I mainly mean adjusting to the huge inconvenience

of veganism in a world ruled by McDonalds), that can be pretty

overwhelming. In my experience, people become educated, and ready,

willing and able to make changes, at different speeds. Unfortunately,

we live in a world where being absolutely, %100 certain we are not using

any animal products whatsoever, %100 of the time, would pretty much be a

full time job of research. I do my best with it, as I'm sure everyone

in this group does, but, unfortunately, I'm sure there are times when I

unknowingly consume/wear/or otherwise use animal products, because I

just cannot be aware of every ingredient in every object around me. So,

I guess the point of all this is that, the more " user friendly " veganism

is, the less intimidating, difficult, whatever, it will seem to people

to give it a go. Once someone discovers that the dietary changes (which

really are the most difficult on a daily basis, and most important, as

far as I'm concerned, as that's where the vast majority of the world's

industrial farming makes its profits), chances are that, as part of

their own journey, they will become curious about, and open to, other

lifestyle changes. So, maybe it would be best for all concerned to

worry less about labelling (who's a vegan, who's a vegetarian,

whatever), and to focus more of that energy on education and guidance

without pressure, for those who are not quite as far along the veg.

path.

Gaije

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:33am, lv2breathe wrote:

> In a message dated 7/30/04 4:54:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> writes:

> Hi Ian

>

> I have to disagree. If you are to call yourself vegan I think you

> should

> make every effort, at least with food and drink and toileteries etc. to

> make

> sure that they are totally animal free. The reason I say this is

> because

> the vast majority of vegans are ethical vegans, and it is very

> important to

> avoid animal ingredients. If someone doesn't want to be too bothered

> about

> it, maybe they should call themselves vegetarians.

>

> Jo

> I always buy cruelty-free cleaning and personal products. That's one

> thing I

> don't give in on. And I also avoid eggs, even in small amounts.

> However,

> milk products in small amounts I am not going to worry about too

> much...but that

> doesn't come often. I also don't worry about film (although starting

> to use

> digital) or tires or the roads. I do avoid leather but I did buy one

> sweater

> that had an itsy bitsy piece of leather on it. I didn't worry about it

> and

> that was only one time.

>

> I always wondered, and didn't like, how much animal product I was

> picking up

> when I would eat a vegetarian dish at a meat restaurant. See, if I

> want to

> visit with my mother...I would have to go. So I guess I am not pure,

> either...if I occasionally go to meat restaurants (believe me, I much

> prefer to ONLY go

> to veg restaurants) to socialize with my family.

--gaije

July 30, 2004

I do agree with most of what you say, and am not condemning anyone, as it is

so good that people try to avoid animal products, and as you say it is

almost impossible to avoid every article that contains animals. There is

nothing wrong with calling yourself vegetarian though, if you do eat some

animal products, or don't make a really big effort to avoid all animal

products. I am sure most vegetarians get annoyed when people who eat fish

and chicken, but have given up red meat, call themselves vegetarian.

I feel it is good to encourage everyone, and as I have lots of omnivorous

friends, do not consider myself to be very judgemental - just don't see the

harm in being called vegetarian.

Jo

> OK, I was wanting to stay out of this one, but I can't! So, here's my

> take on this stuff. Anyone who's made is making the switch to

> vegan/vegetarianism, has only the best of intentions, and clearly a

> great concern for animals (I suppose there might be some out there who

> are only concerned with their own health issues, but I'm leaving them

> out of this for now). So, if in a search for a like minded, supportive

> community, a new vegan not only learns that animal products are used in

> the production of a vast array of things he or she had no idea about,

> but also finds him/herself faced with great pressure to give up all of

> those things as well, at the same moment he/she is adjusting to the

> vegan diet (by which I mainly mean adjusting to the huge inconvenience

> of veganism in a world ruled by McDonalds), that can be pretty

> overwhelming. In my experience, people become educated, and ready,

> willing and able to make changes, at different speeds. Unfortunately,

> we live in a world where being absolutely, %100 certain we are not using

> any animal products whatsoever, %100 of the time, would pretty much be a

> full time job of research. I do my best with it, as I'm sure everyone

> in this group does, but, unfortunately, I'm sure there are times when I

> unknowingly consume/wear/or otherwise use animal products, because I

> just cannot be aware of every ingredient in every object around me. So,

> I guess the point of all this is that, the more " user friendly " veganism

> is, the less intimidating, difficult, whatever, it will seem to people

> to give it a go. Once someone discovers that the dietary changes (which

> really are the most difficult on a daily basis, and most important, as

> far as I'm concerned, as that's where the vast majority of the world's

> industrial farming makes its profits), chances are that, as part of

> their own journey, they will become curious about, and open to, other

> lifestyle changes. So, maybe it would be best for all concerned to

> worry less about labelling (who's a vegan, who's a vegetarian,

> whatever), and to focus more of that energy on education and guidance

> without pressure, for those who are not quite as far along the veg.

> path.

>

> Gaije

> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:33am, lv2breathe wrote:

> > In a message dated 7/30/04 4:54:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > writes:

> > Hi Ian

> >

> > I have to disagree. If you are to call yourself vegan I think you

> > should

> > make every effort, at least with food and drink and toileteries etc. to

> > make

> > sure that they are totally animal free. The reason I say this is

> > because

> > the vast majority of vegans are ethical vegans, and it is very

> > important to

> > avoid animal ingredients. If someone doesn't want to be too bothered

> > about

> > it, maybe they should call themselves vegetarians.

> >

> > Jo

> > I always buy cruelty-free cleaning and personal products. That's one

> > thing I

> > don't give in on. And I also avoid eggs, even in small amounts.

> > However,

> > milk products in small amounts I am not going to worry about too

> > much...but that

> > doesn't come often. I also don't worry about film (although starting

> > to use

> > digital) or tires or the roads. I do avoid leather but I did buy one

> > sweater

> > that had an itsy bitsy piece of leather on it. I didn't worry about it

> > and

> > that was only one time.

> >

> > I always wondered, and didn't like, how much animal product I was

> > picking up

> > when I would eat a vegetarian dish at a meat restaurant. See, if I

> > want to

> > visit with my mother...I would have to go. So I guess I am not pure,

> > either...if I occasionally go to meat restaurants (believe me, I much

> > prefer to ONLY go

> > to veg restaurants) to socialize with my family.

> --gaije

>

> To send an email to -

>

July 30, 2004

I'm not suggesting there's harm in it - not at all. Just for someone

who's newish to working out how to be a vegan, and wanting and intending

to be just that, it might be... Oh, I'm not sure how to put it...

Discouraging, maybe, to find themselves asked to make such labelling

distinctions, on consistently shifting, changeably subtle bases. I

agree, there is certainly a difference, and it's an important

distinction. I'm just wondering about, and kind of cyber-thinking out

loud about, the best way(s) of educating new vegans or the vegan

curious, without overwhelming, pressuring them etc... (Or, rather,

without making them feel overwhelmed or pressured, or judged, which it's

easy to do unintentionally - espescially around something you know a lot

about, and feel as strongly about as we all do this stuff).

Gaije

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:52am, Jo wrote:

> I do agree with most of what you say, and am not condemning anyone, as

> it is

so good that people try to avoid animal products, and as you say it is

almost impossible to avoid every article that contains animals. There

is

nothing wrong with calling yourself vegetarian though, if you do eat

some

animal products, or don't make a really big effort to avoid all animal

products. I am sure most vegetarians get annoyed when people who eat

fish

and chicken, but have given up red meat, call themselves vegetarian.

I feel it is good to encourage everyone, and as I have lots of

omnivorous

friends, do not consider myself to be very judgemental - just don't see

the

harm in being called vegetarian.

Jo

> OK, I was wanting to stay out of this one, but I can't! So, here's my

> take on this stuff. Anyone who's made is making the switch to

> vegan/vegetarianism, has only the best of intentions, and clearly a

> great concern for animals (I suppose there might be some out there who

> are only concerned with their own health issues, but I'm leaving them

> out of this for now). So, if in a search for a like minded,

> supportive

> community, a new vegan not only learns that animal products are used

> in

> the production of a vast array of things he or she had no idea about,

> but also finds him/herself faced with great pressure to give up all

> of

> those things as well, at the same moment he/she is adjusting to the

> vegan diet (by which I mainly mean adjusting to the huge inconvenience

> of veganism in a world ruled by McDonalds), that can be pretty

> overwhelming. In my experience, people become educated, and ready,

> willing and able to make changes, at different speeds. Unfortunately,

> we live in a world where being absolutely, %100 certain we are not

> using

> any animal products whatsoever, %100 of the time, would pretty much be

> a

> full time job of research. I do my best with it, as I'm sure everyone

> in this group does, but, unfortunately, I'm sure there are times when

> I

> unknowingly consume/wear/or otherwise use animal products, because I

> just cannot be aware of every ingredient in every object around me.

> So,

> I guess the point of all this is that, the more " user friendly "

> veganism

> is, the less intimidating, difficult, whatever, it will seem to people

> to give it a go. Once someone discovers that the dietary changes

> (which