New to the group

[Guest guest]

well there is lots you can do with the vegetables he does eat, does he like

things like veggie burgers that don't quite look like veggies....if he likes

lettuce there is roll up recipes?did he try tofu? just thinking of anyways that

may help....

 Hugz

karen

 

 

 

 

Lisa <lisalouhoo

 

Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:39:57 AM

New to the Group

 

 

Hello, I am Lisa, stay at home mother to five children. Before marriage

I ate a vegan diet. After marriage, for awhile, I managed vegetarian.

Now we are eating a very much omnivorous diet. I am wanting to move

back to a healthier diet for myself and family, with little to no meat.

My major obstacle: my husband likes very few vegetables. Carrots,

broccoli, corn, and mild tasting lettuce, and those are seriously the

only vegetables he will eat. He has such an aversion to peppers and

onions, that I do not even bring them into the house. This is the

reason why I have been eating meat, I find it too tiring and too

expensive to cook two meals.

 

So, how do you eat a vegetarian diet with few vegetables?

 

Thanks for any suggestions. I have enjoyed reading through the recent

comments, lots of good ideas and recipes.

 

Lisa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Good to see you Sherrie! Good luck with the veggie, weight loss and

studying!

 

the Dragon

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to say hello. This is a pretty chatty place - everyone

must have been out getting the vote out.

 

My husband and I were vegetarian before we had our son (he's nearly

5.5yrs old), and then we figured out he had a milk protein allergy

pretty early on in his life. We were ovo-veg for a long time, but we

went vegan just over a year ago (I think actually around this time of

year it's now going on 2yrs). I'm the only one it really stuck with,

as on very rare occasion they will eat eggs, but since I do most of

the buying/cooking of food - and I will only do vegan stuff at home

(I have never liked eggs, so I had an epiphany when I figured out

baking w/out them). It was actually pretty freeing for us, but the

boys just miss their eggs on very rare occasions, I guess? Anyway,

wanted to say welcome, and look forward to hearing more from you.

 

A good friend of mine and her husband lived in Austin for a while and

I thought it was beautiful out there when I visited them when their

daughter was oh, 7months old (she's now 12!) so it's been a long time,

but it was a very lovely city.

 

Missie

 

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:30 AM, katherine_umuc <katherine_umuc wrote:

> Hi-

> My name is Katherine and I have a 4 year old son. My son and i are

> vegetarian while my husband is a meat eater due to numerous allergies.

> Thankfully my husband is supportive of raising our son veggie. We also

> live in a Austin which is a pretty veggie friendly place. I'm looking

> foward to chatting with other vegetarian parents!

>

>

 

 

 

--

 

http://mszzzi.zoomshare.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mszzzi/

 

~~~~~(m-.-)m

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue

 

Welcome :-)

 

Jo

 

 

 

-

sue_3334

Sunday, December 28, 2008 10:02 PM

New to the group

 

 

Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually movingtoward veganism. I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both stillliving at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarianpartly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me thefreedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons. I'm 62pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a veganlifestyle:~knowing what foods have "hidden" animal products in them~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the obvious sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet~choosing food at restaurantsI'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from yourexperiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)Thanks for letting me join. Sue

[Guest guest]

Welcome Sue! It's great to hear that you're finally eating the way

you want to. I've been vegan for 1 1/2 yrs and only wish I'd done

it sooner. As to your concerns, the only advice I can give about

finding out what products contain hidden animal ingredients is to

educate yourself. Read, read, and read some more. It'll take awhile

to really be able to identify the ingredients that are animal based.

There are many that I don't know and will look them up to see what

they are. I try to only buy foods where I can read all the ingredients.

 

I wish you luck and just ask if you have any questions!

 

Debra

 

, " sue_3334 " <sue_3334 wrote:

>

> Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually moving

> toward veganism.

>

> I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both still

> living at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarian

> partly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me the

> freedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons. I'm 62

> pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.

>

> There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a vegan

> lifestyle:

> ~knowing what foods have " hidden " animal products in them

> ~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the obvious

> sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet

> ~choosing food at restaurants

>

> I'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from your

> experiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)

>

> Thanks for letting me join.

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Debra. :-)Can you recommend a good site with information on what some hidden ingredients might be?Thanks,Suedadiemert <dadiemert Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:40:12 PM Re: New to the group

 

Welcome Sue! It's great to hear that you're finally eating the way

you want to. I've been vegan for 1 1/2 yrs and only wish I'd done

it sooner. As to your concerns, the only advice I can give about

finding out what products contain hidden animal ingredients is to

educate yourself. Read, read, and read some more. It'll take awhile

to really be able to identify the ingredients that are animal based.

There are many that I don't know and will look them up to see what

they are. I try to only buy foods where I can read all the ingredients.

 

I wish you luck and just ask if you have any questions!

 

Debra

 

@gro ups.com, "sue_3334" <sue_3334@.. .> wrote:

>

> Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually moving

> toward veganism.

>

> I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both still

> living at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarian

> partly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me the

> freedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons. I'm 62

> pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.

>

> There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a vegan

> lifestyle:

> ~knowing what foods have "hidden" animal products in them

> ~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the obvious

> sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet

> ~choosing food at restaurants

>

> I'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from your

> experiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)

>

> Thanks for letting me join.

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

Hoeeelllllo Sue, How do you do!

My advice would be, "read the labels" check ingredients. Lots of stuff now has a stamp on it - Produced in a factory that handles dairy or milk, or may contain traces of dairy. Its up to you to decide if you want to be a total vegan, or one that just lives by ingredients and not possibilities of cross contamination. Also be careful of wine and ( most uk ), beers due to the process of "fining" or clarifying as some use fish, blood or other animal products.

As for restaurants, two choices, 1 if planning a visit, as to speak to the manager/chef before hand and explain your dietry requirements, or tell them you are lactose intolerant.

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

sue_3334 <sue_3334 Sent: Sunday, 28 December, 2008 10:02:19 PM New to the group

 

Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually movingtoward veganism. I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both stillliving at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarianpartly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me thefreedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons. I'm 62pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a veganlifestyle:~knowing what foods have "hidden" animal products in them~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the obvious sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet~choosing food at restaurantsI'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from yourexperiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)Thanks for letting me join.

Sue

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Welcome to this group, it's fascinating! I have a book called " Animal

Ingredients A to Z. " It

has " more than 2,000 listings and supplementary Chapters on vegan nutrition,

books,

clothing, beer and wine... "

I've been a vegetarian for 12 years and a vegan for 5 months... As time goes,

you figure it

out!

Danielle

[Guest guest]

welcome sue

sue_3334 Dec 28, 2008 2:02 PM New to the group

 

 

 

Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually movingtoward veganism. I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both stillliving at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarianpartly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me thefreedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons. I'm 62pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a veganlifestyle:~knowing what foods have "hidden" animal products in them~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the obvious sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet~choosing food at restaurantsI'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from yourexperiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)Thanks for letting me join. Sue

 

 

 

 

"Will we ever get to the point that we realize that we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty just so we can have nice running shoes?"

[Guest guest]

there's a helpful book called "Animal Ingredients A-Z"

but, there are also a number of sites

http://www.happycow.net/health-animal-ingredients.html

http://www.peta.org/MC/factsheet_display.asp?ID=72

Sue 3334 Dec 28, 2008 10:35 PM Re: Re: New to the group

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks, Debra. :-)Can you recommend a good site with information on what some hidden ingredients might be?Thanks,Sue

 

 

 

dadiemert <dadiemert > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:40:12 PM Re: New to the group

 

Welcome Sue! It's great to hear that you're finally eating the wayyou want to. I've been vegan for 1 1/2 yrs and only wish I'd doneit sooner. As to your concerns, the only advice I can give aboutfinding out what products contain hidden animal ingredients is toeducate yourself. Read, read, and read some more. It'll take awhileto really be able to identify the ingredients that are animal based. There are many that I don't know and will look them up to see whatthey are. I try to only buy foods where I can read all the ingredients.I wish you luck and just ask if you have any questions!Debra@gro ups.com, "sue_3334" <sue_3334@.. .> wrote:>> Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually moving> toward veganism. > > I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both still> living at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarian> partly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me the> freedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons. I'm 62> pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.> > There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a vegan> lifestyle:> ~knowing what foods have "hidden" animal products in them> ~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the obvious > sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet> ~choosing food at restaurants> > I'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from your> experiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)> > Thanks for letting me join. > Sue>

 

 

 

 

 

"Will we ever get to the point that we realize that we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty just so we can have nice running shoes?"

[Guest guest]

That sounds like a great book Danielle. I'll definitely be checking

that out.

 

Thanks for the information.

 

, " natenjade " <lilbugga wrote:

>

> Hi,

> Welcome to this group, it's fascinating! I have a book called " Animal

Ingredients A to Z. " It

> has " more than 2,000 listings and supplementary Chapters on vegan

nutrition, books,

> clothing, beer and wine... "

> I've been a vegetarian for 12 years and a vegan for 5 months... As

time goes, you figure it

> out!

> Danielle

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue. As mentioned earlier, I mainly use peta or happycow for the

ingredients list. I will also just google something that I see in an

ingredients list and don't know what it is. Mainly though, I stick

to buying things with ingredients I can read. If you have any

questions, ask away!

 

Debra

 

, Sue 3334 <sue_3334 wrote:

>

> Thanks, Debra. :-)

> Can you recommend a good site with information on what some hidden

ingredients might be?

> Thanks,

> Sue

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> dadiemert <dadiemert

>

> Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:40:12 PM

> Re: New to the group

>

>

> Welcome Sue! It's great to hear that you're finally eating the way

> you want to. I've been vegan for 1 1/2 yrs and only wish I'd

done

> it sooner. As to your concerns, the only advice I can give about

> finding out what products contain hidden animal ingredients is to

> educate yourself. Read, read, and read some more. It'll take

awhile

> to really be able to identify the ingredients that are animal

based.

> There are many that I don't know and will look them up to see what

> they are. I try to only buy foods where I can read all the

ingredients.

>

> I wish you luck and just ask if you have any questions!

>

> Debra

>

> @gro ups.com, " sue_3334 " <sue_3334@ .> wrote:

> >

> > Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually moving

> > toward veganism.

> >

> > I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both still

> > living at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarian

> > partly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me

the

> > freedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons.

I'm 62

> > pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.

> >

> > There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a

vegan

> > lifestyle:

> > ~knowing what foods have " hidden " animal products in them

> > ~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the

obvious

> > sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet

> > ~choosing food at restaurants

> >

> > I'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from your

> > experiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)

> >

> > Thanks for letting me join.

> > Sue

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Peter, Thanks for the ideas. Do lots of vegans avoid foods that might be cross-contaminated with animal products in the same processing/production plants?SuePeter VV <swpgh01 Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:47:15 AMRe:

New to the group

 

 

Hoeeelllllo Sue, How do you do!

My advice would be, "read the labels" check ingredients. Lots of stuff now has a stamp on it - Produced in a factory that handles dairy or milk, or may contain traces of dairy. Its up to you to decide if you want to be a total vegan, or one that just lives by ingredients and not possibilities of cross contamination. Also be careful of wine and ( most uk ), beers due to the process of "fining" or clarifying as some use fish, blood or other animal products.

As for restaurants, two choices, 1 if planning a visit, as to speak to the manager/chef before hand and explain your dietry requirements, or tell them you are lactose intolerant.

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

sue_3334 <sue_3334 >@gro ups.comSunday, 28 December, 2008 10:02:19 PM New to the group

 

Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually movingtoward veganism. I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both stillliving at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarianpartly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me thefreedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons. I'm 62pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a veganlifestyle:~knowing what foods have "hidden" animal products in them~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the obvious sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet~choosing food at restaurantsI'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from yourexperiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)Thanks for letting me join.

Sue

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Danielle. It looks like a great resource, so I just ordered it online. :-)Suenatenjade <lilbugga Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:27:46 AM Re: New to the group

 

Hi,

Welcome to this group, it's fascinating! I have a book called "Animal Ingredients A to Z." It

has "more than 2,000 listings and supplementary Chapters on vegan nutrition, books,

clothing, beer and wine..."

I've been a vegetarian for 12 years and a vegan for 5 months... As time goes, you figure it

out!

Danielle

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Fraggle. Goodness, there are a lot of things to learn!Suefraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:39:36 PMRe: Re: New to the group

 

 

there's a helpful book called "Animal Ingredients A-Z"

but, there are also a number of sites

http://www.happycow .net/health- animal-ingredien ts.html

http://www.peta. org/MC/factsheet _display. asp?ID=72

Sue 3334 Dec 28, 2008 10:35 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: New to the group

 

 

 

Thanks, Debra. :-)Can you recommend a good site with information on what some hidden ingredients might be?Thanks,Sue

 

 

 

dadiemert <dadiemert >@gro ups.comSunday, December 28, 2008 8:40:12 PM Re: New to the group

 

Welcome Sue! It's great to hear that you're finally eating the wayyou want to. I've been vegan for 1 1/2 yrs and only wish I'd doneit sooner. As to your concerns, the only advice I can give aboutfinding out what products contain hidden animal ingredients is toeducate yourself. Read, read, and read some more. It'll take awhileto really be able to identify the ingredients that are animal based. There are many that I don't know and will look them up to see whatthey are. I try to only buy foods where I can read all the ingredients.I wish you luck and just ask if you have any questions!Debra@gro ups.com, "sue_3334" <sue_3334@.. .> wrote:>> Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually moving> toward veganism. >

> I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both still> living at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarian> partly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me the> freedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons. I'm 62> pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.> > There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a vegan> lifestyle:> ~knowing what foods have "hidden" animal products in them> ~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the obvious > sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet> ~choosing food at restaurants> > I'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from your> experiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)> > Thanks for letting me join. >

Sue>

 

"Will we ever get to the point that we realize that we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty just so we can have nice running shoes?"

[Guest guest]

Thanks. :-)I love the "buy things with ingredients I can read" idea. So many "foods" have things in them I can't even pronounce.Suedadiemert <dadiemert Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:24:44 PM Re: New to the

group

 

Hi Sue. As mentioned earlier, I mainly use peta or happycow for the

ingredients list. I will also just google something that I see in an

ingredients list and don't know what it is. Mainly though, I stick

to buying things with ingredients I can read. If you have any

questions, ask away!

 

Debra

 

@gro ups.com, Sue 3334 <sue_3334@.. .> wrote:

>

> Thanks, Debra. :-)

> Can you recommend a good site with information on what some hidden

ingredients might be?

> Thanks,

> Sue

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> dadiemert <dadiemert@. ..>

> @gro ups.com

> Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:40:12 PM

> Re: New to the group

>

>

> Welcome Sue! It's great to hear that you're finally eating the way

> you want to. I've been vegan for 1 1/2 yrs and only wish I'd

done

> it sooner. As to your concerns, the only advice I can give about

> finding out what products contain hidden animal ingredients is to

> educate yourself. Read, read, and read some more. It'll take

awhile

> to really be able to identify the ingredients that are animal

based.

> There are many that I don't know and will look them up to see what

> they are. I try to only buy foods where I can read all the

ingredients.

>

> I wish you luck and just ask if you have any questions!

>

> Debra

>

> @gro ups.com, "sue_3334" <sue_3334@ .> wrote:

> >

> > Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually moving

> > toward veganism.

> >

> > I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both still

> > living at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarian

> > partly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me

the

> > freedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons.

I'm 62

> > pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.

> >

> > There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a

vegan

> > lifestyle:

> > ~knowing what foods have "hidden" animal products in them

> > ~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the

obvious

> > sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet

> > ~choosing food at restaurants

> >

> > I'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from your

> > experiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)

> >

> > Thanks for letting me join.

> > Sue

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Personally I dont, I draw the line at ingredients, most of those warnings are there for legal reasons, airbourne contamination is a remote possibility but unlikely I belive. Obviously, certain companies still test their products on animals ( cosmetics/household cleaning products etc ), and are unethical, so that is also something you may want to look into, once you have sorted the dietry side out to your satisfaction.

You have to live by what works for you.You could stop digging the garden in case you inadvertantly kill small insects/worms etc, it depends on how far you want to take it.

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

Sue 3334 <sue_3334 Sent: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008 4:57:49 AMRe: New to the group

 

 

 

Hi, Peter, Thanks for the ideas. Do lots of vegans avoid foods that might be cross-contaminated with animal products in the same processing/producti on plants?Sue

 

 

 

Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>@gro ups.comMonday, December 29, 2008 2:47:15 AMRe: New to the group

 

 

 

 

Hoeeelllllo Sue, How do you do!

My advice would be, "read the labels" check ingredients. Lots of stuff now has a stamp on it - Produced in a factory that handles dairy or milk, or may contain traces of dairy. Its up to you to decide if you want to be a total vegan, or one that just lives by ingredients and not possibilities of cross contamination. Also be careful of wine and ( most uk ), beers due to the process of "fining" or clarifying as some use fish, blood or other animal products.

As for restaurants, two choices, 1 if planning a visit, as to speak to the manager/chef before hand and explain your dietry requirements, or tell them you are lactose intolerant.

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

sue_3334 <sue_3334 >@gro ups.comSunday, 28 December, 2008 10:02:19 PM New to the group

 

Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually movingtoward veganism. I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both stillliving at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarianpartly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me thefreedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons. I'm 62pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a veganlifestyle:~knowing what foods have "hidden" animal products in them~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the obvious sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet~choosing food at restaurantsI'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from yourexperiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)Thanks for letting me join.

Sue

[Guest guest]

some vegans avoid products made on the same line as non-vegan products. Others feel that it is good to encourage producers to make vegan items - after all, they are buying the vegan item - which should encourage the producer to produce more.

 

Jo

 

 

-

Sue 3334

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:57 AM

Re: New to the group

 

 

 

 

Hi, Peter, Thanks for the ideas. Do lots of vegans avoid foods that might be cross-contaminated with animal products in the same processing/production plants?Sue

 

 

 

Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:47:15 AMRe: New to the group

 

 

 

 

Hoeeelllllo Sue, How do you do!

My advice would be, "read the labels" check ingredients. Lots of stuff now has a stamp on it - Produced in a factory that handles dairy or milk, or may contain traces of dairy. Its up to you to decide if you want to be a total vegan, or one that just lives by ingredients and not possibilities of cross contamination. Also be careful of wine and ( most uk ), beers due to the process of "fining" or clarifying as some use fish, blood or other animal products.

As for restaurants, two choices, 1 if planning a visit, as to speak to the manager/chef before hand and explain your dietry requirements, or tell them you are lactose intolerant.

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

sue_3334 <sue_3334 >@gro ups.comSunday, 28 December, 2008 10:02:19 PM New to the group

 

Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually movingtoward veganism. I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both stillliving at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarianpartly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me thefreedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons. I'm 62pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a veganlifestyle:~knowing what foods have "hidden" animal products in them~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the obvious sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet~choosing food at restaurantsI'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from yourexperiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)Thanks for letting me join. Sue

[Guest guest]

Different strokes for Different folks.

for us, we tend to avoid restaurants that serve flesh as well as vegan if we can. the thought of eating something that was cooked on the same pan as a slice of furry critter is enough to send my partner running for the door.

fraggle

Sue 3334 Dec 29, 2008 8:57 PM Re: New to the group

 

 

 

 

 

Hi, Peter, Thanks for the ideas. Do lots of vegans avoid foods that might be cross-contaminated with animal products in the same processing/production plants?Sue

 

 

 

Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:47:15 AMRe: New to the group

 

 

 

 

Hoeeelllllo Sue, How do you do!

My advice would be, "read the labels" check ingredients. Lots of stuff now has a stamp on it - Produced in a factory that handles dairy or milk, or may contain traces of dairy. Its up to you to decide if you want to be a total vegan, or one that just lives by ingredients and not possibilities of cross contamination. Also be careful of wine and ( most uk ), beers due to the process of "fining" or clarifying as some use fish, blood or other animal products.

As for restaurants, two choices, 1 if planning a visit, as to speak to the manager/chef before hand and explain your dietry requirements, or tell them you are lactose intolerant.

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

sue_3334 <sue_3334 >@gro ups.comSunday, 28 December, 2008 10:02:19 PM New to the group

 

Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually movingtoward veganism. I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both stillliving at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarianpartly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me thefreedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons. I'm 62pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a veganlifestyle:~knowing what foods have "hidden" animal products in them~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the obvious sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet~choosing food at restaurantsI'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from yourexperiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)Thanks for letting me join. Sue

 

 

 

 

 

"Will we ever get to the point that we realize that we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty just so we can have nice running shoes?"

[Guest guest]

along the same lines sorta, i got an e-mail from someone associated with PETA the other day. in it was a poster photo of someones vegan fridge (basically extolling all he great things vegans can have), and to be honest, i was sorta disgusted. it was 100% processed food. all colorful packages of tofurkey deli slices, vegan cheess, one packet of tofu, smart deli slices, gimme lean "sausage", boca burgers, several pints of soy and rice creams, tofutti spreads, etc and so forth. i saw one green thing at the bottom, which may have been a vegetable, maybe..but nothing else...everything was processed analogs. now, don't get me wrong, unlike a few others on this list, i do like an occassionaly analog. but thi was sorta sick. all that processed over packaged stuff...isolated soy protein, preservatives, etc...

whats wrong with a nice apple?

oh, and i'm sure the 12 pack of one star and the 2 bottles of corona didn't help my negative conotation as well!!!

hahahahaha

fraggle

Sue 3334 Dec 30, 2008 12:19 AM Re: Re: New to the group

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks. :-)I love the "buy things with ingredients I can read" idea. So many "foods" have things in them I can't even pronounce.Sue

 

 

 

dadiemert <dadiemert > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:24:44 PM Re: New to the group

 

Hi Sue. As mentioned earlier, I mainly use peta or happycow for the ingredients list. I will also just google something that I see in an ingredients list and don't know what it is. Mainly though, I stick to buying things with ingredients I can read. If you have any questions, ask away!Debra @gro ups.com, Sue 3334 <sue_3334@.. .> wrote:>> Thanks, Debra. :-)> Can you recommend a good site with information on what some hidden ingredients might be?> Thanks,> Sue> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> dadiemert <dadiemert@. ..>> @gro ups.com> Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:40:12 PM> Re: New to the group> > > Welcome Sue! It's great to hear that you're finally eating the way> you want to. I've been vegan for 1 1/2 yrs and only wish I'd done> it sooner. As to your concerns, the only advice I can give about> finding out what products contain hidden animal ingredients is to> educate yourself. Read, read, and read some more. It'll take awhile> to really be able to identify the ingredients that are animal based. > There are many that I don't know and will look them up to see what> they are. I try to only buy foods where I can read all the ingredients.> > I wish you luck and just ask if you have any questions!> > Debra> > @gro ups.com, "sue_3334" <sue_3334@ .> wrote:> >> > Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually moving> > toward veganism. > > > > I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both still> > living at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarian> > partly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me the> > freedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons. I'm 62> > pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.> > > > There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a vegan> > lifestyle:> > ~knowing what foods have "hidden" animal products in them> > ~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the obvious > > sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet> > ~choosing food at restaurants> > > > I'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from your> > experiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)> > > > Thanks for letting me join. > > Sue> >>

 

 

 

 

 

"Will we ever get to the point that we realize that we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty just so we can have nice running shoes?"

[Guest guest]



Maybe they assumed that everyone knew that vegans eat lots of vegetables.

 

Jo

 

 

-

fraggle

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 5:14 PM

Re: Re: New to the group

 

 

 

along the same lines sorta, i got an e-mail from someone associated with PETA the other day. in it was a poster photo of someones vegan fridge (basically extolling all he great things vegans can have), and to be honest, i was sorta disgusted. it was 100% processed food. all colorful packages of tofurkey deli slices, vegan cheess, one packet of tofu, smart deli slices, gimme lean "sausage", boca burgers, several pints of soy and rice creams, tofutti spreads, etc and so forth. i saw one green thing at the bottom, which may have been a vegetable, maybe..but nothing else...everything was processed analogs. now, don't get me wrong, unlike a few others on this list, i do like an occassionaly analog. but thi was sorta sick. all that processed over packaged stuff...isolated soy protein, preservatives, etc...

whats wrong with a nice apple?

oh, and i'm sure the 12 pack of one star and the 2 bottles of corona didn't help my negative conotation as well!!!

hahahahaha

fraggle

Sue 3334 Dec 30, 2008 12:19 AM Re: Re: New to the group

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks. :-)I love the "buy things with ingredients I can read" idea. So many "foods" have things in them I can't even pronounce.Sue

 

 

 

dadiemert <dadiemert > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:24:44 PM Re: New to the group

 

Hi Sue. As mentioned earlier, I mainly use peta or happycow for the ingredients list. I will also just google something that I see in an ingredients list and don't know what it is. Mainly though, I stick to buying things with ingredients I can read. If you have any questions, ask away!Debra @gro ups.com, Sue 3334 <sue_3334@.. .> wrote:>> Thanks, Debra. :-)> Can you recommend a good site with information on what some hidden ingredients might be?> Thanks,> Sue> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> dadiemert <dadiemert@. ..>> @gro ups.com> Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:40:12 PM> Re: New to the group> > > Welcome Sue! It's great to hear that you're finally eating the way> you want to. I've been vegan for 1 1/2 yrs and only wish I'd done> it sooner. As to your concerns, the only advice I can give about> finding out what products contain hidden animal ingredients is to> educate yourself. Read, read, and read some more. It'll take awhile> to really be able to identify the ingredients that are animal based. > There are many that I don't know and will look them up to see what> they are. I try to only buy foods where I can read all the ingredients.> > I wish you luck and just ask if you have any questions!> > Debra> > @gro ups.com, "sue_3334" <sue_3334@ .> wrote:> >> > Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually moving> > toward veganism. > > > > I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both still> > living at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarian> > partly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me the> > freedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons. I'm 62> > pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.> > > > There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a vegan> > lifestyle:> > ~knowing what foods have "hidden" animal products in them> > ~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the obvious > > sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet> > ~choosing food at restaurants> > > > I'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from your> > experiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)> > > > Thanks for letting me join. > > Sue> >>

 

"Will we ever get to the point that we realize that we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty just so we can have nice running shoes?"

[Guest guest]

It's worked really well for me so far. Even if something appears to

be vegan but it has too many ingredients I still can't pronounce, I

usually don't buy it. I try to stick to simple ingredients.

 

I also just ordered the A to Z animal ingredients book! I'm excited

to get it and have it as a resource.

 

Debra

 

, Sue 3334 <sue_3334 wrote:

>

> Thanks. :-)

> I love the " buy things with ingredients I can read " idea. So many

" foods " have things in them I can't even pronounce.

> Sue

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> dadiemert <dadiemert

>

> Monday, December 29, 2008 5:24:44 PM

> Re: New to the group

>

>

> Hi Sue. As mentioned earlier, I mainly use peta or happycow for the

> ingredients list. I will also just google something that I see in an

> ingredients list and don't know what it is. Mainly though, I stick

> to buying things with ingredients I can read. If you have any

> questions, ask away!

>

> Debra

>

> @gro ups.com, Sue 3334 <sue_3334@ .> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks, Debra. :-)

> > Can you recommend a good site with information on what some hidden

> ingredients might be?

> > Thanks,

> > Sue

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > dadiemert <dadiemert@ ..>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:40:12 PM

> > Re: New to the group

> >

> >

> > Welcome Sue! It's great to hear that you're finally eating the way

> > you want to. I've been vegan for 1 1/2 yrs and only wish I'd

> done

> > it sooner. As to your concerns, the only advice I can give about

> > finding out what products contain hidden animal ingredients is to

> > educate yourself. Read, read, and read some more. It'll take

> awhile

> > to really be able to identify the ingredients that are animal

> based.

> > There are many that I don't know and will look them up to see what

> > they are. I try to only buy foods where I can read all the

> ingredients.

> >

> > I wish you luck and just ask if you have any questions!

> >

> > Debra

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " sue_3334 " <sue_3334@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi, I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'm gradually moving

> > > toward veganism.

> > >

> > > I'm 51, live in Madison WI, have 2 adult kids (21 & 24, both still

> > > living at home), and work full-time. I started eating vegetarian

> > > partly because I'd always wanted to (a divorce finally allowed me

> the

> > > freedom to eat what *I* wished), and partly for health reasons.

> I'm 62

> > > pounds lighter than I was 3 years ago, and my health has improved.

> > >

> > > There are three things I'm concerned about in transitioning to a

> vegan

> > > lifestyle:

> > > ~knowing what foods have " hidden " animal products in them

> > > ~figuring out how to eliminate those foods as well as the

> obvious

> > > sources (dairy, eggs) from my diet

> > > ~choosing food at restaurants

> > >

> > > I'm hoping that being in this group will help me learn from your

> > > experiences & knowledge. I'll also contribute when I can. :-)

> > >

> > > Thanks for letting me join.

> > > Sue

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

You are very welcome

Danielle

 

, Sue 3334 <sue_3334 wrote:

>

> Thanks, Danielle. It looks like a great resource, so I just ordered it online.

:-)

> Sue

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> natenjade <lilbugga

>

> Monday, December 29, 2008 10:27:46 AM

> Re: New to the group

>

>

> Hi,

> Welcome to this group, it's fascinating! I have a book called " Animal

Ingredients A to Z. "

It

> has " more than 2,000 listings and supplementary Chapters on vegan nutrition,

books,

> clothing, beer and wine... "

> I've been a vegetarian for 12 years and a vegan for 5 months... As time goes,

you figure

it

> out!

> Danielle

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome Sue! I used to live in Sun Prairie, right next door to

you...my brother still does!

 

I get the digest e-mail of these messages, so every time I come in to

answer questions that I have answers for, there are a dozen who have

beat me to it. That's how great these group members are!

 

I just became vegan this year after years of vegetarianism, so I

understand your situation as I'm still struggling with the ingredients

myself. In addition to the Animal Ingredients book, most foods list

wheat, soy, nuts, milk and eggs for allergy reasons. For example,

under the ingredients the product will list in bold type: May contain

wheat, milk, and nuts. It's not a catch-all, but until you've got a

handle on what you want to put in your body, it helps a little with

items you've not tried before if you're not certain.

 

Something else to be aware of is that you shouldn't rely on the kosher

or pareve labels on items (something I used to do early on in my

vegetarian days). Something that is considered meat and dairy-free

under kosher laws *can* in fact contain trace amounts of both, because

if an ingredient has been removed a certain amount of times from the

original product it's not considered to be meat or dairy. I think

Animal Ingredients answers that issue well.

 

Anyway, good luck in your transition--it really does get easier...even

in the Dairy State!

[Guest guest]

thats cuz we get paid by the percentage of questions answered

hee hee....

Peter, you are now owe me arrearages going back to 2001

*giggle*

*snort*

whitty__ Dec 31, 2008 9:07 AM Re: New to the group

 

 

 

Welcome Sue! I used to live in Sun Prairie, right next door to you...my brother still does!I get the digest e-mail of these messages, so every time I come in to answer questions that I have answers for, there are a dozen who have beat me to it. That's how great these group members are!I just became vegan this year after years of vegetarianism, so I understand your situation as I'm still struggling with the ingredients myself. In addition to the Animal Ingredients book, most foods list wheat, soy, nuts, milk and eggs for allergy reasons. For example, under the ingredients the product will list in bold type: May contain wheat, milk, and nuts. It's not a catch-all, but until you've got a handle on what you want to put in your body, it helps a little with items you've not tried before if you're not certain. Something else to be aware of is that you shouldn't rely on the kosher or pareve labels on items (something I used to do early on in my vegetarian days). Something that is considered meat and dairy-free under kosher laws *can* in fact contain trace amounts of both, because if an ingredient has been removed a certain amount of times from the original product it's not considered to be meat or dairy. I think Animal Ingredients answers that issue well. Anyway, good luck in your transition--it really does get easier...even in the Dairy State!

 

 

 

 

"Will we ever get to the point that we realize that we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty just so we can have nice running shoes?"