Hi Everyone!

July 4, 2001

And hello from me too.

Michael

July 4, 2001

Hi All

I've been having a little investigate at , and discovered that we can

put a footer on the bottom of every e-mail (I've never moderated solo

before, so all this is a bit new to me!) - anybody got any good

suggestions???

BB

Peter

July 4, 2001

I just have the information on my lists, it's a good idea to

include that though so you don't get loads of people asking the list

members to get them off. Things can get very messy when that happens!

Michael

At 10:42 PM 7/4/01 +0100, Heartwork you wrote:

------------------------- Reply Separator -------------------------

>Hi All

>

>I've been having a little investigate at , and discovered that we can

>put a footer on the bottom of every e-mail (I've never moderated solo

>before, so all this is a bit new to me!) - anybody got any good

>suggestions???

>

>BB

>Peter

July 4, 2001

Hi, just signed up for your e-mail list!

Jane

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" Mavreela " <nec.lists

Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:27 PM

Re: Hi everyone!

> I just have the information on my lists, it's a good idea to

> include that though so you don't get loads of people asking the list

> members to get them off. Things can get very messy when that happens!

>

> Michael

>

> At 10:42 PM 7/4/01 +0100, Heartwork you wrote:

> ------------------------- Reply Separator -------------------------

> >Hi All

> >

> >I've been having a little investigate at , and discovered that we

can

> >put a footer on the bottom of every e-mail (I've never moderated solo

> >before, so all this is a bit new to me!) - anybody got any good

> >suggestions???

> >

> >BB

> >Peter

>

July 5, 2001

And greetings from me.

(Can we start talking about a merger with yet?)

Paul

--

Paul Philbrow

pp

http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~pp/

July 5, 2001

Hi Michael

> I just have the information on my lists, it's a good idea to

> include that though so you don't get loads of people asking the list

> members to get them off. Things can get very messy when that happens!

Good point - I'll do that. Any other suggestions - some nice " vegan

friendly " quote, or something?

BB

Peter

July 5, 2001

Hi Paul

> (Can we start talking about a merger with yet?)

LOL - that's a bit quick! Actually, had I realised was there, I

probably wouldn't have started the list - but now we're here, let's give it

a couple of days!!! :-)

BB

Peter

July 5, 2001

> " Peter Kebbell " <Snowbow

>> I just have the information on my lists, it's a good idea to

>> include that though so you don't get loads of people asking the list

>> members to get them off. Things can get very messy when that happens!

>

>Good point - I'll do that. Any other suggestions - some nice " vegan

>friendly " quote, or something?

Best to keep it pretty minimal -- even the friendliest quote

or piece of advice soon becomes a bit over-familiar!

Paul

--

Paul Philbrow

pp

http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~pp/

July 5, 2001

>Best to keep it pretty minimal -- even the friendliest quote

>or piece of advice soon becomes a bit over-familiar!

Unless you want to be constantly changing it I would agree with Paul. It

is a shame don't provide system to show random quotes.

As for a merger, I think there is plenty of rooms for different

lists. is predominantly aimed at the UK while this list may

attract people from other countries. I did give Vegan chat a little plug

on mine so maybe more people will join.

Michael

January 14, 2003

Welcome to the group, Angela. I hope you can fid some good ideas here

for

your family. Do take some time to check out our files section, it is

full of

delicious tried recipes that have been posted here by our members.

I wish I had some advice for you about polenta. I have never bought

it in that

way. I guess if I had to come up with a menu of what to serve with

it, I might

make a salad and then a side of a cooked vegetable in a sauce. That

way I

could dip the fried polenta in it, etc. Let us know what you come up

with

tonight.

~ P_T ~

The cure for all the ills and wrongs, the cares, the sorrows, and the

crimes of

humanity, all lie in that one word " Love " .

It is the divine vitality that everywhere produces and restores life.

- Lydia M. Child (1802-1880)

~~~~*~~~*~~~~*~~~*~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>

, " Swiz <buttercup_bb> "

<

buttercup_bb> wrote:

> Hey veggie people! I just joined and would like to introduce

myself.

> I am a 27 y/o wife and mommy to a 15 m/o girl. Hubby, daughter and

I

> are all vegetarians, since 1999. I have my first question! Do any

of

> you have some polenta recipes? I bought my first tube of polenta

and

> I don't know what to do with it. I have heard of pan frrying it,

but

> I dont know what to serve it with. Any thoughts on polenta?

>

> Angela

April 16, 2003

Carol,

Hello and Welcome!

What a wonderful story you have shared with us and CONGRATS not only

becoming vegan but on the support of your hubby! That is so wonderful

that he joined you and believed with you!

You already are helping the animals simply by speaking out in yer

beliefs. Whether you change a lot or a little, you are giving others

something to think about and sharing your knowledge. This is not

always an easy thing to do.

Take care,

Nikki

, " hutson90 " <hutson90> wrote:

> Hello everyone!

>

> I'm new here and thought I should tell you a little about

> myself. My name is Carol. I've been a vegan since the beginning of

> this year. The reason I became vegan is that I found out what

> horrible conditions that the animals have. I have been vegetarian

or

> at least tried to be vegetarian , for a big part of my life,

because

> I felt it was wrong for people to kill animals. Of course growing

> up, I did not have much choice. So I didn't eat much and everyone

> thought I was picky. After I grew up and got married, I felt

> obligated to cook what my husband wanted. I could not persuade him

> or make him understand how I felt. No matter what I said, it

seemed

> to do little good. At the beginning of this year I was praying to

> God to help me know what to do and what to say. And on the same

day,

> I was browsing the Internet and came upon a Web site that was

> idea that so many awful things was happening to animals. That

night,

> when my husband got home from work, I told him about all the things

> that I had read. For the first time in 13 years my husband started

> to understand. I was so upset about the things I had read that I

was

> crying pretty much uncontrollable. I asked him why I had to cook

> that food for him all those years. I asked him why he wouldn't let

> me be completely vegetarian when I was trying so hard. He said he

> was sorry and that if he had known he would have been vegetarian

> too. Believe me, I could hardly believe my ears. This was not

like

> him. He never shows any feeling. This is when I said " I am never

> going to cook, eat or buy any thing that has to do with animals

again

> in my life! " I also said " No one will ever force me into going

> against my morals and beliefs " . To my surprise my husband said " I

> feel the same way " . I am very happy that we are both now vegan.

On

> the other hand I am very sad, about the fate of the animals. I

have

> been reading everything I can about Veganism, animals, good and bad

> companies, good and bad charities. Also I have had the opportunity

> to learn to cook all kinds of new recipes. I am hoping that I will

> be able to make a big impact on the behalf of the animals. Not

that

> I know exactly what I am going to do or say. But I have to do

> something and soon, because I feel very overwhelmed by all of this

> bad news. I apologize if I wrote to much for my introduction into

> the group. I did say I would just write a little about myself. I

> better stop before I get any more carried away. I hope to learn

> about why other people in this group became vegan or vegetarian

too.

>

> Until next time,

> sincerely, Carol

April 16, 2003

hi carol, it was brilliant to hear about your experiences and that your husband is now vegan...........it is an inspiration to me..........good luck to you and hope to hear from you again.............

catherine

>"hutson90"

> > > Hi everyone! >Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:46:17 -0000 > >Hello everyone! > > I'm new here and thought I should tell you a little about >myself. My name is Carol. I've been a vegan since the beginning of >this year. The reason I became vegan is that I found out what >horrible conditions that the animals have. I have been vegetarian or >at least tried to be vegetarian , for a big part of my life, because >I felt it was wrong for people to kill animals. Of course growing >up, I did not have much choice. So I didn't eat much and everyone >thought I was picky. After I grew up and got married, I felt >obligated to cook what my husband wanted. I could not persuade him >or make him understand how I felt. No matter what I said, it seemed >to do little good. At the beginning of this year I was praying to >God to help me know what to do and what to say. And on the same day, >I was browsing the Internet and came upon a Web site that was related >to animal rights. I had never seen anything so horrible. I had no >idea that so many awful things was happening to animals. That night, >when my husband got home from work, I told him about all the things >that I had read. For the first time in 13 years my husband started >to understand. I was so upset about the things I had read that I was >crying pretty much uncontrollable. I asked him why I had to cook >that food for him all those years. I asked him why he wouldn't let >me be completely vegetarian when I was trying so hard. He said he >was sorry and that if he had known he would have been vegetarian >too. Believe me, I could hardly believe my ears. This was not like >him. He never shows any feeling. This is when I said "I am never >going to cook, eat or buy any thing that has to do with animals again >in my life!" I also said "No one will ever force me into going >against my morals and beliefs ". To my surprise my husband said "I >feel the same way". I am very happy that we are both now vegan. On >the other hand I am very sad, about the fate of the animals. I have >been reading everything I can about Veganism, animals, good and bad >companies, good and bad charities. Also I have had the opportunity >to learn to cook all kinds of new recipes. I am hoping that I will >be able to make a big impact on the behalf of the animals. Not that >I know exactly what I am going to do or say. But I have to do >something and soon, because I feel very overwhelmed by all of this >bad news. I apologize if I wrote to much for my introduction into >the group. I did say I would just write a little about myself. I >better stop before I get any more carried away. I hope to learn >about why other people in this group became vegan or vegetarian too. > >Until next time, >sincerely, Carol > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. More info here.

April 16, 2003

Hi Carol!

What a wonderful story, I've had a long day and you have just made it worthwhile to get online tonight!! I just wanted to say hi and extend a big hug to you and your husband. That's what I call love!! Like you, I saw and read some stuff that horrified and saddened me to my very core.

Friends showed me videos taken undercover of animals in the worst torment and agony beyond my wildest nightmare and I felt so disgusted and enraged at the industries, myself and others that I cried so hard I honestly felt I might breakdown. In a way I think I did and I rebuilt my life around my respect and love for animals.

Most of my friends and all my colleagues are meat eaters. I appear tolerant but in my head I am sickened that they just don't care what they are buying into. They would deny that they don't care - but there's so much information out there, how can they miss it!?

My partner is vegan which is great. We met out hunt sabbing, covered in mud and saving foxes.

Best wishes,

xx

PS So wonderful to read as well that your prayers were answered!!hutson90 <hutson90 wrote:

Hello everyone! I'm new here and thought I should tell you a little about myself. My name is Carol. I've been a vegan since the beginning of this year. The reason I became vegan is that I found out what horrible conditions that the animals have. I have been vegetarian or at least tried to be vegetarian , for a big part of my life, because I felt it was wrong for people to kill animals. Of course growing up, I did not have much choice. So I didn't eat much and everyone thought I was picky. After I grew up and got married, I felt obligated to cook what my husband wanted. I could not persuade him or make him understand how I felt. No matter what I said, it seemed to do little good. At the beginning of this year I was praying to God to help me know what to do and what to say. And on the same day, I was browsing the Internet and came upon a Web site that was related to animal rights. I had never seen anything so horrible. I had no idea that so many awful things was happening to animals. That night, when my husband got home from work, I told him about all the things that I had read. For the first time in 13 years my husband started to understand. I was so upset about the things I had read that I was crying pretty much uncontrollable. I asked him why I had to cook that food for him all those years. I asked him why he wouldn't let me be completely vegetarian when I was trying so hard. He said he was sorry and that if he had known he would have been vegetarian too. Believe me, I could hardly believe my ears. This was not like him. He never shows any feeling. This is when I said "I am never going to cook, eat or buy any thing that has to do with animals again in my life!" I also said "No one will ever force me into going against my morals and beliefs ". To my surprise my husband said "I feel the same way". I am very happy that we are both now vegan. On the other hand I am very sad, about the fate of the animals. I have been reading everything I can about Veganism, animals, good and bad companies, good and bad charities. Also I have had the opportunity to learn to cook all kinds of new recipes. I am hoping that I will be able to make a big impact on the behalf of the animals. Not that I know exactly what I am going to do or say. But I have to do something and soon, because I feel very overwhelmed by all of this bad news. I apologize if I wrote to much for my introduction into the group. I did say I would just write a little about myself. I better stop before I get any more carried away. I hope to learn about why other people in this group became vegan or vegetarian too. Until next time, sincerely, CarolTo send an email to -

April 17, 2003

Welcome, Carol, and congratulations on your decision. I'm glad your husband

is so supportive of you.

Danielle

" You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin

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" hutson90 " <hutson90

Hi everyone!

Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:46:17 -0000

Hello everyone!

I'm new here and thought I should tell you a little about

myself. My name is Carol. I've been a vegan since the beginning of

this year. The reason I became vegan is that I found out what

horrible conditions that the animals have. I have been vegetarian or

at least tried to be vegetarian , for a big part of my life, because

I felt it was wrong for people to kill animals. Of course growing

up, I did not have much choice. So I didn't eat much and everyone

thought I was picky. After I grew up and got married, I felt

obligated to cook what my husband wanted. I could not persuade him

or make him understand how I felt. No matter what I said, it seemed

to do little good. At the beginning of this year I was praying to

God to help me know what to do and what to say. And on the same day,

I was browsing the Internet and came upon a Web site that was related

to animal rights. I had never seen anything so horrible. I had no

idea that so many awful things was happening to animals. That night,

when my husband got home from work, I told him about all the things

that I had read. For the first time in 13 years my husband started

to understand. I was so upset about the things I had read that I was

crying pretty much uncontrollable. I asked him why I had to cook

that food for him all those years. I asked him why he wouldn't let

me be completely vegetarian when I was trying so hard. He said he

was sorry and that if he had known he would have been vegetarian

too. Believe me, I could hardly believe my ears. This was not like

him. He never shows any feeling. This is when I said " I am never

going to cook, eat or buy any thing that has to do with animals again

in my life! " I also said " No one will ever force me into going

against my morals and beliefs " . To my surprise my husband said " I

feel the same way " . I am very happy that we are both now vegan. On

the other hand I am very sad, about the fate of the animals. I have

been reading everything I can about Veganism, animals, good and bad

companies, good and bad charities. Also I have had the opportunity

to learn to cook all kinds of new recipes. I am hoping that I will

be able to make a big impact on the behalf of the animals. Not that

I know exactly what I am going to do or say. But I have to do

something and soon, because I feel very overwhelmed by all of this

bad news. I apologize if I wrote to much for my introduction into

the group. I did say I would just write a little about myself. I

better stop before I get any more carried away. I hope to learn

about why other people in this group became vegan or vegetarian too.

Until next time,

sincerely, Carol

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Good on you Carol. Myself, my wife and daughter all vegan for animals, and it certainly makes life easier.

Tom

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hutson90

Tuesday, April 15, 2003 11:46 AM

Hi everyone!

Hello everyone! I'm new here and thought I should tell you a little about myself. My name is Carol. I've been a vegan since the beginning of this year. The reason I became vegan is that I found out what horrible conditions that the animals have. I have been vegetarian or at least tried to be vegetarian , for a big part of my life, because I felt it was wrong for people to kill animals. Of course growing up, I did not have much choice. So I didn't eat much and everyone thought I was picky. After I grew up and got married, I felt obligated to cook what my husband wanted. I could not persuade him or make him understand how I felt. No matter what I said, it seemed to do little good. At the beginning of this year I was praying to God to help me know what to do and what to say. And on the same day, I was browsing the Internet and came upon a Web site that was related to animal rights. I had never seen anything so horrible. I had no idea that so many awful things was happening to animals. That night, when my husband got home from work, I told him about all the things that I had read. For the first time in 13 years my husband started to understand. I was so upset about the things I had read that I was crying pretty much uncontrollable. I asked him why I had to cook that food for him all those years. I asked him why he wouldn't let me be completely vegetarian when I was trying so hard. He said he was sorry and that if he had known he would have been vegetarian too. Believe me, I could hardly believe my ears. This was not like him. He never shows any feeling. This is when I said "I am never going to cook, eat or buy any thing that has to do with animals again in my life!" I also said "No one will ever force me into going against my morals and beliefs ". To my surprise my husband said "I feel the same way". I am very happy that we are both now vegan. On the other hand I am very sad, about the fate of the animals. I have been reading everything I can about Veganism, animals, good and bad companies, good and bad charities. Also I have had the opportunity to learn to cook all kinds of new recipes. I am hoping that I will be able to make a big impact on the behalf of the animals. Not that I know exactly what I am going to do or say. But I have to do something and soon, because I feel very overwhelmed by all of this bad news. I apologize if I wrote to much for my introduction into the group. I did say I would just write a little about myself. I better stop before I get any more carried away. I hope to learn about why other people in this group became vegan or vegetarian too. Until next time, sincerely, CarolTo send an email to -

August 3, 2003

Hi Tina

I think the eating for blood-types is a really stupid idea. Peter contacted the Vegan Society about this some time ago, and received the following:-

Thanks for your message. Your instinct is right - the 'blood types' theoryis certainly a dodgy one! Below I've copied out the response which our StateRegistered Dietitian, Sandra Hood, wrote to another person enquiring aboutthe theory. Sandra works for the NHS, and does voluntary work for us in herspare time. The theory seems to have been put forward in the book by DrPeter D'Adamo, which is referred to in Sandra's reply. Although it's acomplicated area, and Sandra goes in to some detail about blood types perse, the upshot seems to be that, as yet, there's no widely availableevidence to support the doctor's theory, and it's not gained particularrespect from medical/nutritional professionals.Hope this helps a bit.With very best wishesCatherine GraingerInformation OfficerSandra's reply:"I have tried, unsuccessfully, to get a copy of the book by Dr Peter D'Adamoto try and understand the reasoning behind his recommendations regardingblood types and specific diets. I must say I am very sceptical about thewhole thing but I am not a biochemist and therefore I have little knowledgein this field.There are many blood group sytems, at least 21, and of these the betterknown are the ABO, Lewis and Rhesus systems. The ter 'blood group' refers toa defined systm of red blood cell antigens (blood group substances) such asthe ABO group. The 'blood type' refers to the antigenic phenotype (a proteinthat forms an antibody), for example, a person may have blood type O.The plasma membranes of the red blood cells of most individuals containblood group substances of type A, type B, type AB, or type O. Individuals oftype A have anti-B antibodies in their plasma, and will agglutinate type Bor type AB blood. Individuals of type B have anti-A antibodies and willagglutinate type A or type AB blood. Type AB bloodhas neither anti-A noranti-B antibodies and has been designated the universal *recipient*. Type Oblood has neither A nor B substances and has been designated the universal*donor*. As you will probably know, the body does not usually produceantibodies to its own constituents. So as blood group O, an individual wouldhave neither A nor B substances, and would posses antibodies to both theseforeign substances.You state that the book suggests that what you should eat is all to do withthese agglutinating lectins. Lectins are proteins and some of these proteinsagglutinate (clump together as a result of interactions with specificantibodies). These agglutinins are used in blood typing and in identifyingor measuring the strength of immunoglobulins, in other words identifying ormeasuring immunity.The above is a simple explanation but as you can imagine the ABO system ismuch more complicated, for example, there are many subgroups wihin thissystem. Therefore I question the simplistic explanations made by Dr D'Adamothat if you are blood group A you should eat such and such, because withinblood group A you could be of the subgroup A1 and someone else could be ofthe subgroup A2.You would need to speak to a biochemist, not a nutritionist or dietitian. Ihave put out various feelers, but as to date no one has been able to comeback to me verifying Dr D'Adamo's work. If you hear otherwise, please let meknow. Also, does D D'Adamo give references in his publication?"

This might sound stupid to some of you but I had no idea that blood-type could effect what u should take in, so I guess my point to this post is that I'm wondering what others on the boards know about this issue.

I'm half asleep now and really should get to bed, so if any of this is just gibberish, keep I'm mind that I'm not fully here!

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August 4, 2003

Hi Tina and WELCOME!

There is a book out there called " Eating Right For Your Type " . And

amazingly enough it suggests that I need a lot of meat. Funny thing

is, I have never felt better or had as much energy since I stopped

eating meat.

Before I went Vegan, I read up alot on the pros and cons of

everything. From why your body needs animal products to why it

doesn't. I then made the only decision that felt right to me. I

became a Vegan.

I guess basically it comes down to individual choice. I found that

once knowing that I could get all the nutrients I needed from foods

that contained no animal at all and in doing so I made the planet a

little greener and saved some animals form sufferng, there would be

no turning back.

The book is quite interesting, but it is just another fiction novel

to me.

Again, welcome to the group and yes, the 15 month old probably has

ALOT to do with being tired!

nikki

To live according to nature is to live as the gods have chosen.

Pythagoras

, tina b <vegan_momo1> wrote:

> Hello to everyone who is newer (is that even a word?) then me here,

I am new myself.

> I have only been here for 2 weeks maybe myself, I don't really know.

> I'm sitting here with NO energy half reading the posts and half

asleep and someone was saying something about something

> and I thought I'd reply and say something.

> ok but seriously I don't remember who now but someone was talking

about what blood-type should eat meat????

> ok I'm O negative in blood and always have felt I could use more

energy, when I ate meat and now that I'm a vegan to (I have allot

less energy now that I have a 15 month old but I guess thats

understandable)

> This might sound stupid to some of you but I had no idea that blood-

type could effect what u should take in, so I guess my point to this

post is that I'm wondering what others on the boards know about this

issue.

> I'm half asleep now and really should get to bed, so if any of this

is just gibberish, keep I'm mind that I'm not fully here!

> please excuse me.

> Tina

>

> What do you suggest of you have the blood-type that this gentleman

says should eat meat???

>

> Jo

> Have you looked at eating for your blood type? This is fascinating

and VERY helpful in learning what works best for your body. Do a

goggle search or go to the library for lists on what your blood type

should eat lots of and what should be moderate or avoided. I find

that unnecessary if you are raw- but if you are vegan- very important.

>

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December 22, 2004

Welcome Katherine! I believe you will enjoy this site, reading about lots

of our experiences, as being veg*n and our family experiences. Enjoy, Tracy

Hi everyone,my name's Katherine and I just joined the group. I am

excited about talking to other people who have similar eating habits

to mine. I live in Arlington, Virginia and have a 10 month old son

Jacob who I am trying to raise vegetarian as well, but am having

some difficulty because my husband is not vegetarian. I'm very glad

I found this site, because I haven't really met many vegetarians

where I live, and the general population looks at me like I'm crazy

when I tell them I'm a vegetarian. I can't wait to get to know you

guys and hopefully learn things I need to be a vegetarian!

December 22, 2004

Dear Katherine,

I live in Silver Spring, so I'm no too far away from you. Have you tried

Sunflower Cafe in Vienna? It's a vegan restaurant.

Happy Holidays and welcome to the group!

Peace,

Laura

I live in Arlington, Virginia and have a 10 month old son

Jacob who I am trying to raise vegetarian as well, but am having

some difficulty because my husband is not vegetarian. I'm very glad

I found this site, because I haven't really met many vegetarians

where I live, and the general population looks at me like I'm crazy

when I tell them I'm a vegetarian. I can't wait to get to know you

guys and hopefully learn things I need to be a vegetarian!

December 22, 2004

WElcome to the group Katherine.I was born in Radford Virginia.Still have lots of

family out there.My Bf is not veg either so i know the challenges that come with

that.Luckily he agrees it is a better way for our children to eat and he loves

my cooking,so it's made it easier on me in our household.That crazy look you get

from people is universal,even out here on the west coast.Good luck,and ask any

questions that come to mind.The people in this group are very helpful.

roxy6irl18 <isolafamily wrote: