Guest guest Report post Posted February 21, 2005 .... and what is wrong with vegan spread and vegan cheese? I'm sorry you found it too difficult to become a vegan. What was the purpose of telling us that you are eating butter and cheese 'right now'. Was it just a lack of sensitivity? Jo , chocaholicgirl05@a... wrote: > I tried to become a vegan but it was just to diffucult, right now I'm eating > a baked potato with butter and cheese. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 21, 2005 Yeah, you said a mouthfull there. Whats wrong with vegan marg/scheeze/hoummous/ pasta sauce/ ? or just tumps of other non dairy alternatives?........jeeze louise, the options for filling a potato are limitless! Dont have a cow man....... The Valley VeganCraig Dearth <cd39 wrote: you mean a bake potato with cow pus fat and solid cow pus Re: B12I tried to become a vegan but it was just to diffucult, right now I'm eating a baked potato with butter and cheese. To send an email to - Peter H ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 21, 2005 you forgot the blood, feces, growth hormones, pesticides, dioxins,... yuk, I'd rather eat my own bodily fluids! What other creature drinks the bodily fluids of another? Jo you mean a bake potato with cow pus fat and solid cow pus Re: B12I tried to become a vegan but it was just to diffucult, right now I'm eating a baked potato with butter and cheese. To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 21, 2005 vampire bats....... Joanne Feb 21, 2005 4:45 AM Re: Re: B12 you forgot the blood, feces, growth hormones, pesticides, dioxins,... yuk, I'd rather eat my own bodily fluids! What other creature drinks the bodily fluids of another? Jo you mean a bake potato with cow pus fat and solid cow pus Re: B12I tried to become a vegan but it was just to diffucult, right now I'm eating a baked potato with butter and cheese. To send an email to - To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 21, 2005 But not the maternal bodily fluids,- no other species of animal does this, the thought is just too repulsive ! I bet they wouldn't drink human milk? Joanne - fraggle Monday, February 21, 2005 4:24 PM Re: Re: B12 vampire bats....... Joanne Feb 21, 2005 4:45 AM Re: Re: B12 you forgot the blood, feces, growth hormones, pesticides, dioxins,... yuk, I'd rather eat my own bodily fluids! What other creature drinks the bodily fluids of another? Jo you mean a bake potato with cow pus fat and solid cow pus Re: B12I tried to become a vegan but it was just to diffucult, right now I'm eating a baked potato with butter and cheese. To send an email to - To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 21, 2005 Hi Jo > What other creature drinks the bodily fluids of another? Leeches, gut worm, etc.!! (what good company the human race keeps!) BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 21, 2005 well..u have to be more specific teehee no..no other critter subsists on another species mammalian milk Joanne Feb 21, 2005 10:11 AM Re: Re: B12 But not the maternal bodily fluids,- no other species of animal does this, the thought is just too repulsive ! I bet they wouldn't drink human milk? Joanne - fraggle Monday, February 21, 2005 4:24 PM Re: Re: B12 vampire bats....... Joanne Feb 21, 2005 4:45 AM Re: Re: B12 you forgot the blood, feces, growth hormones, pesticides, dioxins,... yuk, I'd rather eat my own bodily fluids! What other creature drinks the bodily fluids of another? Jo you mean a bake potato with cow pus fat and solid cow pus Re: B12I tried to become a vegan but it was just to diffucult, right now I'm eating a baked potato with butter and cheese. To send an email to - To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2005 wMilmoe wrote: > Tim: > > I have a sensiive friend who is a 20 year vegan. She recenly stared > geting > B12 deficiency symtoms and tried some supplemens. Dr. Gabriel Cousins > sells > B12 supplemens. None of the supplements she ried agreed with her so > she nows > ingests a raw egg yolk every other day. > > I know from 14 years of composting and gardening and 4 years of > permaculure > that it can be difficult to get back to a rich B12 source soil...It is > definately a worthwhile endeavor though. > > Bill ======================== Hi Bill, I have to agree with you that it is most definitely a worthwhile endeavor. It will take each and every one of us composting in our own yards and gardens to bring about any significant change via mainstream agriculture. I may be amiss but I believe part of this is due to our just blindly accepting what we are given/sold without demanding organic. But we can and will change this of this I am positive. I salute you on your 14 years of composting and gardening and 4 years of permaculture. Awesome. Thanks for sharing this Bill. -- Peace be with you, Bill. Don " Quai " Eitner " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2005 At Fri, 10 Jun 2005 it looks like wMilmoe composed: > Tim: > > I have a sensiive friend who is a 20 year vegan. She recenly stared geting > B12 deficiency symtoms and tried some supplemens. Dr. Gabriel Cousins sells > B12 supplemens. None of the supplements she ried agreed with her so she nows > ingests a raw egg yolk every other day. > > I know from 14 years of composting and gardening and 4 years of permaculure > that it can be difficult to get back to a rich B12 source soil...It is > definately a worthwhile endeavor though. > Not to start another thread on " wheatgrass " but from the reading's I've done (which now seem suspect if b12 is poop) i was under the impression that I was getting b12 daily from the wheatgrass I grow and drink. -- Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 San Francisco, CA 94121 " UNIX, A Way of Life. " http://billschoolcraft.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2005 Bill Schoolcraft wrote: > At Fri, 10 Jun 2005 it looks like wMilmoe composed: > > > Tim: > > > > I have a sensiive friend who is a 20 year vegan. She recenly stared > geting > > B12 deficiency symtoms and tried some supplemens. Dr. Gabriel > Cousins sells > > B12 supplemens. None of the supplements she ried agreed with her so > she nows > > ingests a raw egg yolk every other day. > > > > I know from 14 years of composting and gardening and 4 years of > permaculure > > that it can be difficult to get back to a rich B12 source soil...It is > > definately a worthwhile endeavor though. > > > > Not to start another thread on " wheatgrass " but from the > reading's I've done (which now seem suspect if b12 is poop) i > was under the impression that I was getting b12 daily from the > wheatgrass I grow and drink. > > -- > Bill Schoolcraft ============================= Hi Bill, B-12 is actually a product of the cyano-bacteria's metabolism so in essence Elchanan is correct in calling it poop, though that tends to lend a rather unhealthy sound to the idea that we need it in our diets. It is my understanding that cyano-bacteria exist everywhere, in the air, water and land. If you are growing your own wheatgrass, and aren't fumigating, insecticiding, chemical fertilizing, etc. then you are most likely getting B-12. However, I would like to hear from Elchanan about these B-12 analogs I keep hearing about that supposedly bind with the B-12 uptake sites in the body preventing us from getting the true B-12. Any info on this Elchanan? Bob? Anyone? Hope this helps you Bill. -- Peace be with you, Bill. Don " Quai " Eitner " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2005 HI dON... saw the question, and haven't run across that one.. if I do, I'll re-respond. all the best, Bob > However, I would like to hear from Elchanan about these B-12 analogs I > keep hearing about that supposedly bind with the B-12 uptake sites in > the body preventing us from getting the true B-12. Any info on this > Elchanan? Bob? Anyone? > > Hope this helps you Bill. > > -- > Peace be with you, Bill. > > Don " Quai " Eitner > > " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2005 At Fri, 10 Jun 2005 it looks like Don Quai composed: > Bill Schoolcraft wrote: > >> >> Not to start another thread on " wheatgrass " but from the >> reading's I've done (which now seem suspect if b12 is poop) i >> was under the impression that I was getting b12 daily from the >> wheatgrass I grow and drink. >> >> -- >> Bill Schoolcraft > > ============================= > Hi Bill, > > B-12 is actually a product of the cyano-bacteria's metabolism so in > essence Elchanan is correct in calling it poop, though that tends to > lend a rather unhealthy sound to the idea that we need it in our diets. > It is my understanding that cyano-bacteria exist everywhere, in the air, > water and land. If you are growing your own wheatgrass, and aren't > fumigating, insecticiding, chemical fertilizing, etc. then you are most > likely getting B-12. > > However, I would like to hear from Elchanan about these B-12 analogs I > keep hearing about that supposedly bind with the B-12 uptake sites in > the body preventing us from getting the true B-12. Any info on this > Elchanan? Bob? Anyone? > > Hope this helps you Bill. > Yes, it does. I use only organic potting soil and soak my seeds in kelp/seaweed liquid and water and I hope that is a good start.. http://wiliweld.com/farm/ http://www.planetnatural.com/cgi-bin/planetnatural/maxicrop-kelp-extract -- Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 San Francisco, CA 94121 " UNIX, A Way of Life. " http://billschoolcraft.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2005 Seek and ye shall find: http://search./search?p=b12+analogs & fr=FP-tab-web-t-256 & toggle=1 & ei=UTF\ -8 Bob Farrell <rjf2 wrote: HI dON... saw the question, and haven't run across that one.. if I do, I'll re-respond. all the best, Bob > However, I would like to hear from Elchanan about these B-12 analogs I > keep hearing about that supposedly bind with the B-12 uptake sites in > the body preventing us from getting the true B-12. Any info on this > Elchanan? Bob? Anyone? > > Hope this helps you Bill. > > -- > Peace be with you, Bill. > > Don " Quai " Eitner > > " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1] Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2005 Thanks Mary, I think most of that actually comes from Stephen Walsh book - Plant Based Nutrition and health, which I have just finished skimming.( I managed to get my library to order a copy, so that it may get more coverage & The Vegan Society benefits from the sale also). The Valley Vegan........Mary Minihane <minih wrote: The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments:Shortcut to: http://www.vegansociety.com/html/food/nutrition/b12/To send an email to - Peter H Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2005 you can also get b-12 in the nutritional yeast flakes, (make sure th epackage says so) and in soy milk. Blessings, Chanda - linda Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:26 PM B12 B12 is a necessary vitamin that vegans do not get as they don't consume any meat, eggs or dairy products. Vegetarians do so they don't need the supplement. You can get B12 in your regular vitamins (cobalamin is the best form), but the " under your tongue " (sublingual lozenge) is assimilated by your body better. Your body doesn't make this particular vitamin so you have to use outside sources...it used to be on our foods in the dirt...LOL... and is exclusively synthesized by bacteria and found primarily in meat, eggs and dairy products. You could just not wash your veggies and if the right bacteria is on it that will work, however, you really don't want to do that as you may then ingest e-coli too along with a lot of other little meanies or chemicals. You need very little B12 and as a matter of fact your body stores it and reabsorbs it and it takes a few years to exhaust that storage. However if you do the consequences are serious and can't be reversed. There are different ranges for the B12 intake...I just kind of look at it as getting 3 mcg a day is safe...and most of the tablets out there are way more than that...like 1,000 or more. So I take it a couple of times a week knowing that my body will just dump an excess anyway. I don't know why they put so much in the supplements but they do and it isn't thought to be toxic. Some people rely on food stuffs to get it like Red Star Nutritional Yeast ( a lot of foods are fortified with it) but they are not sure that is adequate or that all absorb it well so I go for the vitamin. I use one put out by VegLife Vegan B12, it has 1,000 mcg the lowest I could find and it has 400 mcg folic acid. There are 50 lozenges and $5.25 (US). Since I only take it 2 times a week it seems cheaper and tastier than some of the other B12 sources that may not be so reliable. It uses Stevia leaf extract for the sweetener. You can look it up on the net for more information...a short one is: http://www.vegsoc.org/info/b12.html linda " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it. " Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - Samantha Lea Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:51 PM RE: Re: Yah Veggies! and brown rice and yeast flakes What does the B12 do? I've never heard of the under the tongue stuff - I'll have to look for it. Samantha If you are a vegan please do not forget to take B12...the kind that melts in your mouth under your tongue. It is very cheap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2005 I think that the books and the nutritional talks I have been to are always saying Red Star nutritional yeast which I mentioned...I dislike it so don't use it and they are also saying that some people do not assimilate the B12 in food stuff that is added like in soy milk. Older people too need more of it as their systems don't extract it as well as younger people. My understanding is that the B12 absorbs better into the body via the lingual lozenge rather than going through the digestive tract. Whatever, it is very simple and cheaper than the Red Star to take the tablet for me. Some people do well without the supplementation, but who wants to risk that. I just don't really worry about it...figure I am as healthy at this point as I will ever be anyway. I detest flax seed oil too. Oh dear! Confession is good for the soul! LOL linda " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it. " Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - PuterWitch Thursday, November 17, 2005 2:18 PM Re: B12 you can also get b-12 in the nutritional yeast flakes, (make sure th epackage says so) and in soy milk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2005 good points Linda, Blessings, Chanda PS. I take a vitamin every 4 days or so, just in case. I am a rebel. I don't believe things should be based on a daily allowance but rather a 72 hour allowance. This gives us some adjusting for balance. Like some days I go to bed earlier than other days so I don't have that extra yogurt, or some days I wake up earlier so I wind up with an extra fruit or whatever or less grain one day and more the next. nevermind, I am just a rebel, LOL. hugs, Chanda - linda Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:38 PM Re: B12 I think that the books and the nutritional talks I have been to are always saying Red Star nutritional yeast which I mentioned...I dislike it so don't use it and they are also saying that some people do not assimilate the B12 in food stuff that is added like in soy milk. Older people too need more of it as their systems don't extract it as well as younger people. My understanding is that the B12 absorbs better into the body via the lingual lozenge rather than going through the digestive tract. Whatever, it is very simple and cheaper than the Red Star to take the tablet for me. Some people do well without the supplementation, but who wants to risk that. I just don't really worry about it...figure I am as healthy at this point as I will ever be anyway. I detest flax seed oil too. Oh dear! Confession is good for the soul! LOL linda " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it. " Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - PuterWitch Thursday, November 17, 2005 2:18 PM Re: B12 you can also get b-12 in the nutritional yeast flakes, (make sure th epackage says so) and in soy milk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2005 Thanks everyone for all the information on B12. I'm always fatigued so am going to give it a shot. Sam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 13, 2008 During this year I have gone back and forth between being a vegan and a vegetarian. I've been a vegetarian 6 years. I'm having some health problems like being very dizzy at times and just not feeling well that I think might be related to a B12 deficiency even though I take a B12 vitamin. My doctor did blood work on me a few months ago but..nothing. It could be that he didn't do the right test?. I would really like to conquer this Has anyone out there had a B12 deficiency? What was it like? How did you cure it? How was it diagnosed? Thank you in advance for your ideas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 14, 2008 If you are taking B12 supplements the dizziness could come from something else. While, to my knowledge, I've never had a B12 deficiency, I did go through several years of trying to find out why I suddenly started having headaches -- as often as every two weeks -- while doctors ducked left and right saying it wasn't " their " area. Over time I also became very tired, had difficulty sleeping, and sometimes had memory problems. (Apparently causes of headaches are difficult to diagnose, and there is no specialty that " owns " them.) Finally a doctor recommended a series of diagnostic tests, and the very first one hit paydirt -- A general ultrasound of my mid-section turned up a gallstone that had moved out of the gallbladder into a tube and gotten stuck. After that was removed, it was determined that I needed my gallbladder removed. Sure enough, once I'd recovered from surgery, I started feeling much better. Today I rarely have headaches, I sleep well, and the memory issues have gone away. While I have no idea what problem you are encountering, I learned an important lesson from my experience -- when there is a problem that a doctor is unable to diagnose, be aggressive about seeing doctor after doctor until you find one that can help you figure out what is going on. , " wnyeducator " <wnyeducator wrote: > > During this year I have gone back and forth between being a vegan and a > vegetarian. I've been a vegetarian 6 years. I'm having some health > problems like being very dizzy at times and just not feeling well that > I think might be related to a B12 deficiency even though I take a B12 > vitamin. My doctor did blood work on me a few months ago > but..nothing. It could be that he didn't do the right test?. I would > really like to conquer this > > Has anyone out there had a B12 deficiency? What was it like? How did > you cure it? How was it diagnosed? > > Thank you in advance for your ideas! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 14, 2008 Sometimes we have to help out with our own diagnosing! Do you have a copy of the bloodwork report? I got mine and studied it carefully. I was severely low in vitamin D3. I had to ask the doc for explanations on the report. I am now taking a prescription for D3, not a supplement. Eventually I plan on going to a nutritionist or a better doctor than my primary to have a regular checkup for my bloodwork for everything possible. I want to make sure I do this right, as I just went vegan on March 19. Surprise to the world! My protein and calcium were perfect. But I guess there is some kind of link between vitamin D3 and calcium and they depend on each other. Oh, and my good cholesteral went up and my bad went down. My triglicerides went down. All is getting better! I find I feel better now after 6 weeks of my prescription D3. I don't know if it is a coincidence. Shelley H Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
