Guest guest Report post Posted November 23, 2001 there is an extremely detailed and well researched paper on B12 on <www.vegansociety.com> encompassing all the latest research on the subject and hopefully laying to rest some of the more dangerous myths. there should be one on calcium in the new year, if not before. have a good weekend everyone. vanessa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 23, 2001 I don't wash vegetables B12 is in soil so I'm probably getting it that way !!!!!! Angie - " Jo " <Heartwork Friday, November 23, 2001 9:45 PM B12 > Ian > > > > things, that they felt much much more lively after taking B12. So I > > think one needs to keep an eye on it. > > We too take B12 supplements, just to be on the safe side, but then we have > taken supplements for about twenty years. > > Jo > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release 09/10/01 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2001 Thanks Vanessa, you're always really helpful with links! Jane x - " vclarke " <vegans Friday, November 23, 2001 10:17 PM Re: B12 > there is an extremely detailed and well researched paper on B12 on > <www.vegansociety.com> encompassing all the latest research on the > subject and hopefully laying to rest some of the more dangerous myths. > there should be one on calcium in the new year, if not before. > have a good weekend everyone. > vanessa > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2001 In a message dated 11/23/01 3:10:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, angiewright writes: I don't wash vegetables B12 is in soil so I'm probably getting it that way !!!!!! Angie depends probably if you eat organic or not.... the soil quickly gets diminished if you grow food on hordes of pesticides and chemical fertilizers.... of course, you do realize that probably why vegetables have B12 on em in the first place is from animal...wastes... *ahem* they did a study a few years back on a group of vegans in Iran, sort of a commune i gather, and they used their own feces on their crops..and had loverly high B12 in their systems guess we were all wrong about telling kids to wash up all the time.....hahahhahahahahah *skips around with dirty paws* fraggle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2001 If the animals didn't want it then thats OK with me!!!! I think I'd be arrested If I used my own manure on the garden !!! so I'll give that a miss Angie EBbrewpunx Sunday, November 25, 2001 5:08 PM Re: B12 In a message dated 11/23/01 3:10:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, angiewright writes: I don't wash vegetables B12 is in soil so I'm probably getting it that way !!!!!! Angie depends probably if you eat organic or not.... the soil quickly gets diminished if you grow food on hordes of pesticides and chemical fertilizers.... of course, you do realize that probably why vegetables have B12 on em in the first place is from animal...wastes... *ahem* they did a study a few years back on a group of vegans in Iran, sort of a commune i gather, and they used their own feces on their crops..and had loverly high B12 in their systems guess we were all wrong about telling kids to wash up all the time.....hahahhahahahahah *skips around with dirty paws* fraggle To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2003 B12 is the one thing that is near impossible for vegans to get in abundant supply without supplements because of it's nature. This is what I do know about B12, from a certified nutritionist: Depending on the individual, each person has around 5 years or more of B12 stored in their organs; if you've only been a vegetarian/vegan for 6 months, say, you shouldn't experience any B12 deficiency unless there is some extraneous factor causing you to lose it rapidly. B12 is a byproduct of a bacteria that lives in most animals; the bacteria produces it. Simply living with animals, such as two or three cats and a dog, etc, will constantly introduce B12 into your system in trace amounts. I can't say if this is true for birds, or fish, and I can't say if it will produce more than you process. There is a naturally occuring form of ocean plant life that produces B12 but it is not widely marketed, at least not in my area; I live no where near any oceans, and no where near a large veggie/vegan community. I can't remember what the name of it is... it's some offshoot of seaweed, I believe. Where I live, one B12 shot every six months or so, is about all you will need (they are free here). Plus you actually get a nice glow from it. I was going to say more but I'm sleepy and can't remember it all right now. I drink flavoured soy milkl every day that has B12 in it, as well as a multivitamin that has B12; it's not a problem to keep a good level. -K- --- " iris054 <iris054 " <iris054 wrote: > I'm staying out of the controversy (I hate that > stuff and didn't > read anything but this one post). I don't try to > run anyone else's > life; I have enough on my hands just running my own! > > > I just wrote to back you up on the B12 issue. I > know many vegans > that take B12 supplements, and report that they > suffer if they don't. > > I think it's great that you're looking for > vegetarian recipes, and I > hope you find what you want. > > Melinda > > ===== Where is this beauty? I search and search and then find, We are the lotus. Om Mani Padme Hum Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2003 " naturally occuring form of ocean plant life " It is called Spirulina. It is a blue-green algae. You can get it in tablet form, if not locally, online. [ I hope this is not taboo onlist~ but I carry a brand grown in Hawaii~get with me off list, if interested] Also, I believe that nutritional yeast has B-12, does it not? Pixx On 15 Feb 2003 at 19:07, Mr.Graves wrote: > There is a naturally occuring form of ocean plant life > that produces B12 but it is not widely marketed, at > least not in my area; I live no where near any oceans, > and no where near a large veggie/vegan community. I > can't remember what the name of it is... it's some > offshoot of seaweed, I believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2003 spirulina is a good source for b12. it also contains iron, protein, amino acids, gamma-linolenic acid (gla - an essential fatty acid), and chlorophyll. chlorella, a water-grown algae is another good source of b12. it's almost a complete food...it contains protein, carbs, all the b vitamins, vitamins c and e, beta-carotene, amino acids, and some trace minerals. it also contains chlorophyll. i believe that nutritional yeasts contain all of the b vitamins except b12. these items are fairly common in health food stores and can be found online (i'm pretty sure the vitamin shoppe carries them www.vitaminshoppe.com ). hope this info is helpful, susie --- Pixx <lists wrote: > " naturally occuring form of ocean plant life " > It is called Spirulina. It is a blue-green algae. > You can get it in > tablet form, if not locally, online. [ I hope this > is not taboo onlist~ > but I carry a brand grown in Hawaii~get with me off > list, if > interested] > > Also, I believe that nutritional yeast has B-12, > does it not? > > Pixx > > On 15 Feb 2003 at 19:07, Mr.Graves wrote: > > > There is a naturally occuring form of ocean plant > life > > that produces B12 but it is not widely marketed, > at > > least not in my area; I live no where near any > oceans, > > and no where near a large veggie/vegan community. > I > > can't remember what the name of it is... it's some > > offshoot of seaweed, I believe. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2004 I believe it. You know what else? After being purest about supplements for a long time...I have now come to believe that all of us should be taking supplements. I started taking them, particularly iron, and I must say I do feel better. It's hard to get all your nutrients from diet alone unless you eat a lot...and I don't always want to eat a lot. I think it's safe to say that vegans could do well to supplement themselves with calcium, zinc, iron and b12. There are probably more to supplement as well like Vitamin C. I've seen studies that our food is not nearly as nutritional as it has been in the past due to soil depletion. Something to think about. Kristina In a message dated 7/20/04 6:37:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 13 Tue, 20 Jul 2004 02:02:36 -0000 "apprendsvegan" <tarasch7Re: IntroductionWent to the AR2004 conference, and listened to vegan MD Micheal Greger- he refered to a recent study on vegan's nutrition. Seems us vegans are not getting enough B12 (I know this is *soooo* commen vegan knowledge) and that we should along with eating a proper diet, be always supplementing with B12. I found this study interesting, considering I was getting my B12 nutrition info from a well know vegan nutrition book. Catch is, the book is very outdated (medically speaking)!Just thought I'd share, I wouldn't want anyone to end up with nerve damage!! :(xoTara Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2004 I take a vitamin for "vegetarians". It has lots of B12 in it. I wonder where this B12 comes from? Especially since they say it's vegetarian. Interesting... In a message dated 7/20/04 6:37:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 14 Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:58:35 +0800 "Craig Dearth" <cd39RE: Re: Introductiongrow your own organic carrots then when they are readypick them, brush off the excess dirt and eat one or two a withoutwashing them, you will get all the b12 you need for a whole month or more.the supplements for b12 mostly are from animal sourceSpirulina is a good way to supplement for b12.hope this helpsall the bestCraig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2004 Where do you get the vitamins? What are they called? Laura Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2004 Not just vegans - I think most people could benefit from some strategic supplementation - I've always tended towards anemia, even in the carnivorous days, so I just take the supps., as it's not worth the trouble of feeling that rotten if I slip up with dietary sources.... Gaije On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:19am, lv2breathe wrote: > I believe it. You know what else? After being purest about > supplements for > a long time...I have now come to believe that all of us should be > taking > supplements. I started taking them, particularly iron, and I must say > I do feel > better. It's hard to get all your nutrients from diet alone unless you > eat a > lot...and I don't always want to eat a lot. I think it's safe to say > that > vegans could do well to supplement themselves with calcium, zinc, iron > and b12. > There are probably more to supplement as well like Vitamin C. I've > seen studies > that our food is not nearly as nutritional as it has been in the past > due to > soil depletion. Something to think about. > > Kristina > > > In a message dated 7/20/04 6:37:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > writes: > > Message: 13 > Tue, 20 Jul 2004 02:02:36 -0000 > " apprendsvegan " <tarasch7 > Re: Introduction > > Went to the AR2004 conference, and listened to vegan MD Micheal Greger- > he > refered to > a recent study on vegan's nutrition. Seems us vegans are not getting > enough > B12 (I know > this is *soooo* commen vegan knowledge) and that we should along with > eating > a proper > diet, be always supplementing with B12. I found this study > interesting, > considering I was > getting my B12 nutrition info from a well know vegan nutrition book. > Catch > is, the book is > very outdated (medically speaking)! > > Just thought I'd share, I wouldn't want anyone to end up with nerve > damage!! > > xoTara --gaije Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2004 I think it's wise to take a spectrum of supplements. It's a good insurance against deficiencies. Jo - lv2breathe Cc: Lv2breathe Tuesday, July 20, 2004 3:18 PM Re:B12 I believe it. You know what else? After being purest about supplements for a long time...I have now come to believe that all of us should be taking supplements. I started taking them, particularly iron, and I must say I do feel better. It's hard to get all your nutrients from diet alone unless you eat a lot...and I don't always want to eat a lot. I think it's safe to say that vegans could do well to supplement themselves with calcium, zinc, iron and b12. There are probably more to supplement as well like Vitamin C. I've seen studies that our food is not nearly as nutritional as it has been in the past due to soil depletion. Something to think about. Kristina Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2004 Well, all B12 ultimately comes from bacteria. The only reason it's in animal products is because they eat bacteria along with their food. Back when human food was less sterile, we got plenty of B12 in fermented soy products (tempeh, etc.), from poorly-cleaned veggies, etc. I believe vegetarian B12 is obtained from bacterial cultures. Nothing fancy. Sara , lv2breathe@a... wrote: > I take a vitamin for " vegetarians " . It has lots of B12 in it. I wonder where > this B12 comes from? Especially since they say it's vegetarian. > Interesting... > > In a message dated 7/20/04 6:37:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > writes: > Message: 14 > Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:58:35 +0800 > " Craig Dearth " <cd39@e...> > RE: Re: Introduction > > grow your own organic carrots then when they are ready > pick them, brush off the excess dirt and eat one or two a without > washing them, you will get all the b12 you need for a whole month or more. > the supplements for b12 mostly are from animal source > Spirulina is a good way to supplement for b12. > hope this helps > all the best > Craig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Just a quick word of warning on the subject of vitamins. You need to do a little research first before embarking on a course of vitamins. examine what you eat, and what it contains, then determine what if any vitamins you are deficient in. Some vitamins are stored in the body some are not. Some vitamin tablets contain rediculous ammounts above the RDI ( Recommended daily intake ), and have the potential to do more harm than good. Read the labels and do a bit of research first. The best and easiest absorbed source of vitamins is food. Dont believe all the hype that pharmacutical companies spew out, do some research. You could save yourself some money. The Valley Vegan....lv2breathe wrote: I take a vitamin for "vegetarians". It has lots of B12 in it. I wonder where this B12 comes from? Especially since they say it's vegetarian. Interesting... In a message dated 7/20/04 6:37:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 14 Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:58:35 +0800 "Craig Dearth" <cd39RE: Re: Introductiongrow your own organic carrots then when they are readypick them, brush off the excess dirt and eat one or two a withoutwashing them, you will get all the b12 you need for a whole month or more.the supplements for b12 mostly are from animal sourceSpirulina is a good way to supplement for b12.hope this helpsall the bestCraig To send an email to - Peter H ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Which ones can do more harm than good if taken in multiples of the RDA? Iodine is one ... what are the others? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Iron? xoTara , Ian McDonald <ian@m...> wrote: > Which ones can do more harm than good if taken in multiples of the RDA? > > Iodine is one ... what are the others? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2004 B12 naturally occurs in Spirulina. Too.Sara <gagrip5 wrote: Well, all B12 ultimately comes from bacteria. The only reason it's in animal products is because they eat bacteria along with their food. Back when human food was less sterile, we got plenty of B12 in fermented soy products (tempeh, etc.), from poorly-cleaned veggies, etc. I believe vegetarian B12 is obtained from bacterial cultures. Nothing fancy.Sara , lv2breathe@a... wrote:> I take a vitamin for "vegetarians". It has lots of B12 in it. I wonder where > this B12 comes from? Especially since they say it's vegetarian. > Interesting...> > In a message dated 7/20/04 6:37:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > writes:> Message: 14 > Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:58:35 +0800> "Craig Dearth" <cd39@e...>> RE: Re: Introduction> > grow your own organic carrots then when they are ready> pick them, brush off the excess dirt and eat one or two a without> washing them, you will get all the b12 you need for a whole month or more.> the supplements for b12 mostly are from animal source> Spirulina is a good way to supplement for b12.> hope this helps> all the best> CraigTo send an email to - Make Art, Not War Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2004 I read some research a few weeks ago that said e have difficulty absorbing B12 from spirulina. Jo B12 naturally occurs in Spirulina. Too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2004 hello everyone, I just downloaded and listened to "vegan in a nutshell" from the Peta site it makes some great comments. first off most health issues western society faces are gluttony related not vitamin deficiency related in a good balanced vegan diet there is no need to worry about vitamins as for b12 we need like 5 micro grams per month this vitamin which the body recycles over and over if you eat your fresh salads grown in soil (not hydroponic) don't worry you have enough a good multiple with b complex extra C or E in winter to fight colds maybe zinc & magnesium that should cover any short comings in diet all surplus of most vitamins are just discharged hope that helps a bit and do down load the "vegan in a nutshell" make copies and spread the word all the best Craig apprendsvegan [tarasch7]Friday, July 23, 2004 4:24 AM Subject: Re: B12Iron?xoTara , Ian McDonald <ian@m...> wrote:> Which ones can do more harm than good if taken in multiples of the RDA?> > Iodine is one ... what are the others?To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2004 The latest research disagrees with you. If you do not have sufficient vitamin B12 your homocysteine levels rise and lay yourself open to heart disease. This is why vegetarians have a longer life expectancy than vegans - because they get more vitamin B12 in their diet. Obviously if vegans supplement with B12 or eat fortified foods in sufficient quantities they will live longer than vegetarians. The notion that you do not need to worry too much about your intake of B12 and that you will get enough in a normal vegan diet is out of date. Jo - Craig Dearth Monday, July 26, 2004 10:06 PM RE: Re: B12 hello everyone, I just downloaded and listened to "vegan in a nutshell" from the Peta site it makes some great comments. first off most health issues western society faces are gluttony related not vitamin deficiency related in a good balanced vegan diet there is no need to worry about vitamins as for b12 we need like 5 micro grams per month this vitamin which the body recycles over and over if you eat your fresh salads grown in soil (not hydroponic) don't worry you have enough a good multiple with b complex extra C or E in winter to fight colds maybe zinc & magnesium that should cover any short comings in diet all surplus of most vitamins are just discharged hope that helps a bit and do down load the "vegan in a nutshell" make copies and spread the word all the best Craig apprendsvegan [tarasch7]Friday, July 23, 2004 4:24 AM Subject: Re: B12Iron?xoTara , Ian McDonald <ian@m...> wrote:> Which ones can do more harm than good if taken in multiples of the RDA?> > Iodine is one ... what are the others?To send an email to - To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2004 > Craig Dearth wrote: > > hello everyone, > I just downloaded and listened to " vegan in a nutshell " from the Peta > site > it makes some great comments. I read it here: http://www.goveg.com/feat/ns-health.html I hate to say this, because they're *such* an effective campaigning organisation, and they *are* on our side ... but I don't trust Peta. In that essay, the author focusses on individual studies by those rare scientists who think that vegans avoid most cancers and cardiovascular diseases. Sadly, epidemiological studies of vegans just don't back up that assertion. > first off most health issues western society faces are gluttony > related not vitamin deficiency related Yes, but most people in western societies will eat anything which moves and very little which doesn't. Vegans are probably the other way around. > in a good balanced vegan diet there is no need to worry about > vitamins > as for b12 we need like 5 micro grams per month this vitamin which the > body recycles over and over > if you eat your fresh salads grown in soil (not hydroponic) From what I've read, this simply isn't true. Where did you hear this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2004 > in a good balanced vegan diet there is no need to worry about> vitamins> as for b12 we need like 5 micro grams per month this vitamin which the> body recycles over and over> if you eat your fresh salads grown in soil (not hydroponic)>From what I've read, this simply isn't true. Where did you hear this? I do stand corrected on the amount that should read 50 mcg per month that average person requires 1.5 mcg per day www.vnv.org.au/nutrition/b12 & vegandiets.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2004 sorry if i'm poppin in here late..hard to post while at work B12... thats a tuffy B12 use to be present in soils, bacteria and all that..root crops and the like use to take it up into the plant, and voila', you got B12 in yer tummy modern agriculture changed all that the advent of pesticides and overuse of chemical fertilizers and bacchus knows wot else has diminished the amount of B12 producing bacteria in the soil, at least in *Western* society....how it goes in Namibia i couldn't tell ya... now...will organic farming practices bring it back? unknown... one would hope but i also seem to recall that certain seaweeds also produce b12..but..some other ones produce B12 mimics... nuthin is ever easy fraggleCraig Dearth <cd39 wrote: the only research I saw was that in which all factors were not considered as I have posted before B12 comes from bacteria in the soil and if you have an active bio system in your soil and you allow a minute amount of dirt into your food simple wash rather than soaking there is more than enough b12 the facts you quote sound like meat propaganda Craig The latest research disagrees with you. If you do not have sufficient vitamin B12 your homocysteine levels rise and lay yourself open to heart disease. This is why vegetarians have a longer life expectancy than vegans - because they get more vitamin B12 in their diet. Obviously if vegans supplement with B12 or eat fortified foods in sufficient quantities they will live longer than vegetarians. The notion that you do not need to worry too much about your intake of B12 and that you will get enough in a normal vegan diet is out of date. Jo - Craig Dearth Monday, July 26, 2004 10:06 PM RE: Re: B12 hello everyone, I just downloaded and listened to "vegan in a nutshell" from the Peta site it makes some great comments. first off most health issues western society faces are gluttony related not vitamin deficiency related in a good balanced vegan diet there is no need to worry about vitamins as for b12 we need like 5 micro grams per month this vitamin which the body recycles over and over if you eat your fresh salads grown in soil (not hydroponic) don't worry you have enough a good multiple with b complex extra C or E in winter to fight colds maybe zinc & magnesium that should cover any short comings in diet all surplus of most vitamins are just discharged hope that helps a bit and do down load the "vegan in a nutshell" make copies and spread the word all the best Craig apprendsvegan [tarasch7]Friday, July 23, 2004 4:24 AM Subject: Re: B12Iron?xoTara , Ian McDonald <ian@m...> wrote:> Which ones can do more harm than good if taken in multiples of the RDA?> > Iodine is one ... what are the others?To send an email to - To send an email to - To send an email to - To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2004 This site, has a GREAT free audio segement on RECENT B12 studies.. http://www.veganmd.org/talks/#nutrition xoTara , mark martone <ebbrewpunx> wrote: > sorry if i'm poppin in here late..hard to post while at work > B12... > thats a tuffy > B12 use to be present in soils, bacteria and all that..root crops and the like use to take it up into the plant, and voila', you got B12 in yer tummy > modern agriculture changed all that > the advent of pesticides and overuse of chemical fertilizers and bacchus knows wot else has diminished the amount of B12 producing bacteria in the soil, at least in *Western* society....how it goes in Namibia i couldn't tell ya... > now...will organic farming practices bring it back? unknown... > one would hope > but > > i also seem to recall that certain seaweeds also produce b12..but..some other ones produce B12 mimics... > nuthin is ever easy > > fraggle > > Craig Dearth <cd39@e...> wrote: > the only research I saw > was that in which all factors were not considered > as I have posted before B12 comes from bacteria in the soil > and if you have an active bio system in your soil and you allow a minute amount of dirt into your food > simple wash rather than soaking > there is more than enough b12 > the facts you quote sound like meat propaganda > Craig > > > The latest research disagrees with you. If you do not have sufficient vitamin B12 your homocysteine levels rise and lay yourself open to heart disease. This is why vegetarians have a longer life expectancy than vegans - because they get more vitamin B12 in their diet. Obviously if vegans supplement with B12 or eat fortified foods in sufficient quantities they will live longer than vegetarians. The notion that you do not need to worry too much about your intake of B12 and that you will get enough in a normal vegan diet is out of date. > > Jo > - > Craig Dearth > > Monday, July 26, 2004 10:06 PM > RE: Re: B12 > > > hello everyone, > I just downloaded and listened to " vegan in a nutshell " from the Peta site > it makes some great comments. > first off most health issues western society faces are gluttony related not vitamin deficiency related > > in a good balanced vegan diet there is no need to worry about vitamins > as for b12 we need like 5 micro grams per month this vitamin which the body recycles over and over > if you eat your fresh salads grown in soil (not hydroponic) > don't worry you have enough > a good multiple with b complex > extra C or E in winter to fight colds > maybe zinc & magnesium > that should cover any short comings in diet > all surplus of most vitamins are just discharged > hope that helps a bit > > and do down load the " vegan in a nutshell " make copies and spread the word > > all the best > Craig > apprendsvegan [tarasch7@h...] > Friday, July 23, 2004 4:24 AM > > Re: B12 > > > Iron? > > xoTara > > , Ian McDonald <ian@m...> wrote: > > Which ones can do more harm than good if taken in multiples of the RDA? > > > > Iodine is one ... what are the others? > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
