Cats debate via other thoughts

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hi all. As I'm new maybe I should refrain from wading in on a debate about

which I have only so far followed the last few strands. But here goes...and

I will relate it to cats eventually!

 

I am not convinced that it is not natural for humans to eat meat (ok please

don't all delete me at this stage, stay with me!). I know there are many

conflicting arguments used by both sides re size of stomach etc. I think

that maybe it is natural for humans to eat meat, after all birds eat worms

for example. Of course having been vegetarian all my life I would never be

able to eat meat (physically my body wouldn't accept it, and psychologically

I am repulsed by the sight), but in principle if I were to, I would eat

animals that I knew were humanely killed. I think that maybe it is natural

to eat meat - in the (very) old days people killed their own food directly

for immediate consumption - hopefully as quickly and painlessly as possible.

Maybe the problem came with capitalism and mass production and all the

accompanying welfare issues (profit before welfare)?

 

I do not, on the other hand, think that it is natural for humans to eat

dairy products. Cow's milk is for calves only. This may strike some of you

as an odd mixture, as it does to some of my meat eating friends, one of whom

thinks the other way round.

 

Now to relate it all to cats, in a roundabout kind of way...Another view I

have heard is something along the lines that no species should eat meat (so

that would include cats), and that we humans, being the most powerful and

influential and intelligent species, have the opportunity (and maybe

responsibility) to somehow lead the way, eventually on an ideal planet no

species would eat meat. This seems linked to the idea that humans are

automatically the 'best' and so deserve to have power over every other

living creature, and these other creatures are all there 'to serve a useful

purpose' for humans eg ladybirds' 'purpose' in life we are told is to be

helpful to gardeners by eating greenfly (or whatever it is). Since I do not

agree with the whole idea of humans being the 'superior' species, I would

not necessarily agree that we should force/encourage other species (i.e. our

cats) to be vegetarian/vegan. That said, obviously your average cat food is

involved in the whole inhumane slaughterhouse trade, so ideally cat should

get out in the garden and catch his/her own meat. But, I am hypocritical,

we feed our cat ordinary cans. We did try her on veggiecat once, and I'm

sure many of you can guess what cat's reaction was!!

 

I am not saying any of the above is set in stone in my mind, they are only

thoughts. I have been doing a lot of thinking recently, and with no-one to

share these thoughts with (until now!), so I may well be wrong or have

contradicted myself somewhere, and am more than willing to adapt them and

hear other people's opinions. I am still young, and ignorant - I have a lot

to learn!

best wishes

Cath

 

 

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Being young does not equate with being ignorant . Lots of older people

talk rubbish !

I agree that humans can eat animals and even milk if they choose . I see

it as one of dominance -bullying .

You can eat what you like if the animal doesn't kill you first that

includes human beings . Who decides what is ok ?

 

Surely only society since it makes the rules Rape is not allowed Why

not ?

It depends on whether one considers the victim . Does it suffer ? Do we

care .? Society protects vulnerable people , and some animals ,

Farm /zoo/circus/laboratory/hunted animals are not protected or even

allowed to live their natural lives unmolested . They are used (bullied

)

Most vegans /AR people have taken the extra step to see animals as

individuals with their own needs which should be respected So if we

can't be their " friend " and share things ,we leave them alone , only

coming to their aid if in need ---just as we would do with people

 

People who don't fpllow this basic rule (re_ people are gaoled .

Unfortuneately society hasn't caught up with vegans so animals still

suffer and we have to fight for them and are regarded negatively by the

bullies who make money out of them

 

It all depends on your view . I would in theory eat anything once it has

died naturally -I would not take a life unless the creature was in pain

and wished to die (I might have to make that judgement ! )unless I was

at risk ,but once it was dead I would see nothing wrong with eating it

/using parts etc . I might not be allowed to of course but to me once

someone is dead that is it . I don't see the point in complicated

funerals etc I see that as waste of money I also cannot see why people

need to visit graves and put dying flowers on them (don't agree with

killing flowers either -unnecessary death )

But we all have our own views

 

 

 

I am not convinced that it is not natural for humans to eat meat (ok

please

don't all delete me at this stage, stay with me!). I know there are

many

conflicting arguments used by both sides re size of stomach etc. I

think

that maybe it is natural for humans to eat meat, after all birds eat

worms

for example. Of course having been vegetarian all my life I would never

be

able to eat meat (physically my body wouldn't accept it, and

psychologically

I am repulsed by the sight), but in principle if I were to, I would eat

animals that I knew were humanely killed. I think that maybe it is

natural

to eat meat - in the (very) old days people killed their own food

directly

for immediate consumption - hopefully as quickly and painlessly as

possible.

Maybe the problem came with capitalism and mass production and all the

 

accompanying welfare issues (profit before welfare)?

 

I do not, on the other hand, think that it is natural for humans to eat

dairy products. Cow's milk is for calves only. This may strike some of

you

as an odd mixture, as it does to some of my meat eating friends, one of

whom

thinks the other way round.

 

I am still young, and ignorant - I have a lot

to learn!

best wishes

Cath

 

 

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Thought I'd through some of my thoughts into the ring here...

 

1. I have this hypothesis that people can actively be involved in evolution of

ourselves...that is, we can choose to become herbivores, and that could be an

evolution in itself over time...it may be artificial selection versus natural,

but maybe at some point evolution is voluntary in some ways...I don't

know...just an hypothesis.

 

2. Funerals, etc. are for the living, not for the dead in many ways...a way to

say good bye and to grieve...I myself do not believe in being buried in a box

that doesn't decompose and has so many chemical treatments like today's

coffins...bad for the environment and cemetaries take up too much space that

could be left natural. Ok...so that's a bit off the subject.

 

I don't kill flowers either...I prefer to get plants as gifts that can live w/

me for a long time rather than dead flowers...

 

Shawna

 

 

Quoting Angie Wright <angiewright:

 

>

> Being young does not equate with being ignorant . Lots of older people

> talk rubbish !

> I agree that humans can eat animals and even milk if they choose . I see

> it as one of dominance -bullying .

> You can eat what you like if the animal doesn't kill you first that

> includes human beings . Who decides what is ok ?

>

> Surely only society since it makes the rules Rape is not allowed Why

> not ?

> It depends on whether one considers the victim . Does it suffer ? Do we

> care .? Society protects vulnerable people , and some animals ,

> Farm /zoo/circus/laboratory/hunted animals are not protected or even

> allowed to live their natural lives unmolested . They are used (bullied

> )

> Most vegans /AR people have taken the extra step to see animals as

> individuals with their own needs which should be respected So if we

> can't be their " friend " and share things ,we leave them alone , only

> coming to their aid if in need ---just as we would do with people

>

> People who don't fpllow this basic rule (re_ people are gaoled .

> Unfortuneately society hasn't caught up with vegans so animals still

> suffer and we have to fight for them and are regarded negatively by the

> bullies who make money out of them

>

> It all depends on your view . I would in theory eat anything once it has

> died naturally -I would not take a life unless the creature was in pain

> and wished to die (I might have to make that judgement ! )unless I was

> at risk ,but once it was dead I would see nothing wrong with eating it

> /using parts etc . I might not be allowed to of course but to me once

> someone is dead that is it . I don't see the point in complicated

> funerals etc I see that as waste of money I also cannot see why people

> need to visit graves and put dying flowers on them (don't agree with

> killing flowers either -unnecessary death )

> But we all have our own views

>

> Angie

>

>

>

> I am not convinced that it is not natural for humans to eat meat (ok

> please

> don't all delete me at this stage, stay with me!). I know there are

> many

> conflicting arguments used by both sides re size of stomach etc. I

> think

> that maybe it is natural for humans to eat meat, after all birds eat

> worms

> for example. Of course having been vegetarian all my life I would never

> be

> able to eat meat (physically my body wouldn't accept it, and

> psychologically

> I am repulsed by the sight), but in principle if I were to, I would eat

> animals that I knew were humanely killed. I think that maybe it is

> natural

> to eat meat - in the (very) old days people killed their own food

> directly

> for immediate consumption - hopefully as quickly and painlessly as

> possible.

> Maybe the problem came with capitalism and mass production and all the

>

> accompanying welfare issues (profit before welfare)?

>

> I do not, on the other hand, think that it is natural for humans to eat

> dairy products. Cow's milk is for calves only. This may strike some of

> you

> as an odd mixture, as it does to some of my meat eating friends, one of

> whom

> thinks the other way round.

>

> I am still young, and ignorant - I have a lot

> to learn!

> best wishes

> Cath

>

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Now I prefer burial Burning pollutes the air Burial provides food for

small soil organisms . Wooden coffins will decompose fairly quickly I

would have thought . ,or are they treated in some way to delay this

process?

 

 

2. Funerals, etc. are for the living, not for the dead in many ways...a

way to

say good bye and to grieve...I myself do not believe in being buried in

a box

that doesn't decompose and has so many chemical treatments like today's

coffins...bad for the environment and cemetaries take up too much space

that

could be left natural. Ok...so that's a bit off the subject.

 

Shawna

 

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I think because they use such a high grade wood that is treated and stained and

varnished in most coffins, it doesn't often happen the way it should...you can

probably try to get the cheapest box possible, but even that would be treated,

I would think...

 

Quoting Angie Wright <angiewright:

 

> Now I prefer burial Burning pollutes the air Burial provides food for

> small soil organisms . Wooden coffins will decompose fairly quickly I

> would have thought . ,or are they treated in some way to delay this

> process?

>

> Angie

>

>

> 2. Funerals, etc. are for the living, not for the dead in many ways...a

> way to

> say good bye and to grieve...I myself do not believe in being buried in

> a box

> that doesn't decompose and has so many chemical treatments like today's

> coffins...bad for the environment and cemetaries take up too much space

> that

> could be left natural. Ok...so that's a bit off the subject.

>

> Shawna

>

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I shall have to check it out thanks What a waste of trees !!!!

 

It’s a pity onfo like that is not a known fact one shouldn't have to

search for info when it is something we all have to be part off -for

ourselves or relatives

 

 

shawnam [shawnam]

26 March 2003 22:46

 

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I think because they use such a high grade wood that is treated and

stained and

varnished in most coffins, it doesn't often happen the way it

should...you can

probably try to get the cheapest box possible, but even that would be

treated,

I would think...

 

 

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Hi Angie,

I know there is such a thing as eco burials and eco funerals and I reckon the internet is the best place to start looking. You can get eco coffins whcih look like pods and are made of a sort of papier mache material so are fully biodegradable. Barry Horne was buried in an eco pod. I would rather be composted than anything else after my tissue, organs, etc. have been donated to be used instead of animal experiments... (I hope.) Angie Wright <angiewright wrote:

I shall have to check it out thanks What a waste of trees !!!!It’s a pity onfo like that is not a known fact one shouldn't have tosearch for info when it is something we all have to be part off -forourselves or relatives Angieshawnam [shawnam] 26 March 2003 22:46 Subject: RE: Cats debate via other thoughtsI think because they use such a high grade wood that is treated andstained and varnished in most coffins, it doesn't often happen the way itshould...you can probably try to get the cheapest box possible, but even that would betreated, I would think...---Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release 27/01/2003

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See:

 

http://www.naturaldeath.org.uk/

 

Graham Lucas

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http://www.thetimberframe.co.uk

 

.... I think because they use such a high grade wood that is treated and

stained and varnished in most coffins, it doesn't often happen the way it

should...

 

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They won't use your organs instead of animals . imo they will use both .

I am writing in my will and will tell my next of kin , that they can use my body parts only if vivisection in UK has been banned , if not they get nothing

 

 

 

Hi Angie, I know there is such a thing as eco burials and eco funerals and I reckon the internet is the best place to start looking. You can get eco coffins whcih look like pods and are made of a sort of papier mache material so are fully biodegradable. Barry Horne was buried in an eco pod. I would rather be composted than anything else after my tissue, organs, etc. have been donated to be used instead of animal experiments... (I hope.)

 

 

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Hiya Cath,

Hows the deep thoughts coming? I am afraid that I do not entirely agree ( I AM

NOT JUDGING), about humans killing animals for food, as archeology has uncovered

a stage when humans eat only fruit/nuts /grains, but then deveoped onto acting

like they owned the planet, until here we are with the sad state of afairs in

Iraq.

You are dead right about any animals milk being designed only for its offspring.

I am glad that we seem to agree on the whole cat thing and you are a hypocrite

too. I wish my cats would catch their own food, it would save me a lot of

insults/moral judgement and not to mention money!

Keep Smiling, the sun is out here in Wales,

Peace , Love, and Happiness and a fury friend.

>

 

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Right On Angie,

Getting people to think about the tragic waste of resources is a good idea.

Personally , if I tried to eat flesh I think that my body would reject it after

not eating any for over 20 years. I think there are still a few vegans out there

who have not approached the greening up of their lifestyle to encompass the

enviroment as well as themselves.

Anyone know of a good vegan handcream for gardeners hands?

All The Best,

Pete H

> Being young does not equate with being ignorant . Lots of older people

>talk rubbish !

>I agree that humans can eat animals and even milk if they choose . I see

>it as one of dominance -bullying .

>You can eat what you like if the animal doesn't kill you first that

>includes human beings . Who decides what is ok ?

>

>Surely only society since it makes the rules Rape is not allowed Why

>not ?

>It depends on whether one considers the victim . Does it suffer ? Do we

>care .? Society protects vulnerable people , and some animals ,

>Farm /zoo/circus/laboratory/hunted animals are not protected or even

>allowed to live their natural lives unmolested . They are used (bullied

>)

>Most vegans /AR people have taken the extra step to see animals as

>individuals with their own needs which should be respected So if we

>can't be their " friend " and share things ,we leave them alone , only

>coming to their aid if in need ---just as we would do with people

>

>People who don't fpllow this basic rule (re_ people are gaoled .

>Unfortuneately society hasn't caught up with vegans so animals still

>suffer and we have to fight for them and are regarded negatively by the

>bullies who make money out of them

>

>It all depends on your view . I would in theory eat anything once it has

>died naturally -I would not take a life unless the creature was in pain

>and wished to die (I might have to make that judgement ! )unless I was

>at risk ,but once it was dead I would see nothing wrong with eating it

>/using parts etc . I might not be allowed to of course but to me once

>someone is dead that is it . I don't see the point in complicated

>funerals etc I see that as waste of money I also cannot see why people

>need to visit graves and put dying flowers on them (don't agree with

>killing flowers either -unnecessary death )

>But we all have our own views

>

>Angie

>

>

>

>I am not convinced that it is not natural for humans to eat meat (ok

>please

>don't all delete me at this stage, stay with me!). I know there are

>many

>conflicting arguments used by both sides re size of stomach etc. I

>think

>that maybe it is natural for humans to eat meat, after all birds eat

>worms

>for example. Of course having been vegetarian all my life I would never

>be

>able to eat meat (physically my body wouldn't accept it, and

>psychologically

>I am repulsed by the sight), but in principle if I were to, I would eat

>animals that I knew were humanely killed. I think that maybe it is

>natural

>to eat meat - in the (very) old days people killed their own food

>directly

>for immediate consumption - hopefully as quickly and painlessly as

>possible.

> Maybe the problem came with capitalism and mass production and all the

>

>accompanying welfare issues (profit before welfare)?

>

>I do not, on the other hand, think that it is natural for humans to eat

>dairy products. Cow's milk is for calves only. This may strike some of

>you

>as an odd mixture, as it does to some of my meat eating friends, one of

>whom

>thinks the other way round.

>

> I am still young, and ignorant - I have a lot

>to learn!

>best wishes

>Cath

>

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Shawna,

Hi,

I like your positive attitude, from small acorns etc, lets hope that all us

vegans are starting to steer the race in the right direction, before we blow up

the planet.

I agree with you on the funeral front. Disposable coffins/ plant a tree in

someones name, add something back and make it a positive contribution.

Why would anyone want to kill flowers? when you can plant seed/plants instead?

>

 

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.....Another view I have heard is something along the lines that no species

should eat meat

.....This seems linked to the idea that humans are automatically the 'best'

and so deserve to have power over every other living creature

.....Since I do not agree with the whole idea of humans being the 'superior'

species, I would not necessarily agree that we should force/encourage other

species (i.e. our cats) to be vegetarian/vegan.

.....That said, obviously your average cat food is involved in the whole

inhumane slaughterhouse trade, so ideally cat should get out in the garden

and catch his/her own meat

best wishes

Cath

>

 

Dear Cath

 

The idea that other animal species (hawks, lions, sharks, spiders etc)

should stop eating meat is stupid and anti-vegan because humans are free to

choose to eat ethically, other species are not.

 

But you are dead wrong to suggest that because the pet food industry is

inhumane and disgusting it would be better for your cat to hunt for its meat

in the garden -- predation by domestic and ferral cats in Britain is

anti-ecological: if people need to keep these creatures they should feed

them with the carcuses of domestic herbivores like sheep and horses that die

peacefully and if you can't do that then you should not keep carnivorous

pets.

 

Far too many cats out there already!

 

Edith

Yes, I am a bitch thank you.

 

 

 

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predation by domestic and ferral cats in Britain is

> anti-ecological: if people need to keep these creatures they

should feed

> them with the carcuses of domestic herbivores like sheep and

horses that die

> peacefully and if you can't do that then you should not keep

carnivorous

> pets.

>

> Far too many cats out there already!

>

 

I wish the cats that visit my garden could be trained to eat their

own shit. Then I would be happy.

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Rabbits do that apparently, eat their own poo.

Is there nothing you can plant that is unpleasant to cats and might deter them (without harming them of course)?

 

Lesley

 

 

quercusrobur2002 [grahamburnett]30 March 2003 18:51 Subject: Re: Cats debate via other thoughtspredation by domestic and ferral cats in Britain is > anti-ecological: if people need to keep these creatures they should feed > them with the carcuses of domestic herbivores like sheep and horses that die > peacefully and if you can't do that then you should not keep carnivorous > pets.> > Far too many cats out there already!> I wish the cats that visit my garden could be trained to eat their own shit. Then I would be happy.~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to -

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, " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

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> Rabbits do that apparently, eat their own poo.

> Is there nothing you can plant that is unpleasant to cats and

might deter

> them (without harming them of course)?

>

 

Is there such a thing as a napalm bush?? (only joking of course...)

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Surely it should be the survival of the fittest , If cats are surviving

then so be it . How is it anti ecological ?

Who decides what is ecological Humans ? Are they biased in their own

favour , Or are they looking at the planet from a neutral viewpoint ?

Humans are surviving . We don't limit their increase in numbers Why

are humans arrogant enough to limit the increase in other species .? It

all depends on their usefulness I suppose Whales are useful if their

numbers are on the increase . Cats are not useful in the same way

 

 

slg edith [slgedith]

30 March 2003 17:32

 

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But you are dead wrong to suggest that because the pet food industry is

inhumane and disgusting it would be better for your cat to hunt for its

meat

in the garden -- predation by domestic and ferral cats in Britain is

anti-ecological: if people need to keep these creatures they should feed

 

them with the carcuses of domestic herbivores like sheep and horses that

die

peacefully and if you can't do that then you should not keep carnivorous

 

pets.

 

Far too many cats out there already!

 

Edith

Yes, I am a bitch thank you.

 

 

 

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Do not cats have the right to choose to eat what ever they want to! if they

decide to eat a vegan meal that someones' given to them surly that's their

choice.

 

Simon

 

> ....Another view I have heard is something along the lines that no species

> should eat meat

> ....This seems linked to the idea that humans are automatically the 'best'

> and so deserve to have power over every other living creature

> ....Since I do not agree with the whole idea of humans being the

'superior'

> species, I would not necessarily agree that we should force/encourage

other

> species (i.e. our cats) to be vegetarian/vegan.

> ....That said, obviously your average cat food is involved in the whole

> inhumane slaughterhouse trade, so ideally cat should get out in the garden

> and catch his/her own meat

> best wishes

> Cath

> >

>

> Dear Cath

>

> The idea that other animal species (hawks, lions, sharks, spiders etc)

> should stop eating meat is stupid and anti-vegan because humans are free

to

> choose to eat ethically, other species are not.

>

> But you are dead wrong to suggest that because the pet food industry is

> inhumane and disgusting it would be better for your cat to hunt for its

meat

> in the garden -- predation by domestic and ferral cats in Britain is

> anti-ecological: if people need to keep these creatures they should feed

> them with the carcuses of domestic herbivores like sheep and horses that

die

> peacefully and if you can't do that then you should not keep carnivorous

> pets.

>

> Far too many cats out there already!

>

> Edith

> Yes, I am a bitch thank you.

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Rabbits only eat it the 1st time it comes out (from what I've read), something they need to do. Don't know how they tell when it's the 2nd time but maybe we shouldn't think too much about it!

 

OTOH, dogs eat all sorts of faeces and allegedly, horse shit (am I allowed to say that on this list?) is good for them.

 

Viv

 

Lesley Dove [Lesley]Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:30 PM Subject: RE: Re: Cats debate via other thoughts

 

Rabbits do that apparently, eat their own poo.

Is there nothing you can plant that is unpleasant to cats and might deter them (without harming them of course)?

 

Lesley

 

 

quercusrobur2002 [grahamburnett]30 March 2003 18:51 Subject: Re: Cats debate via other thoughtspredation by domestic and ferral cats in Britain is > anti-ecological: if people need to keep these creatures they should feed > them with the carcuses of domestic herbivores like sheep and horses that die > peacefully and if you can't do that then you should not keep carnivorous > pets.> > Far too many cats out there already!> I wish the cats that visit my garden could be trained to eat their own shit. Then I would be happy.

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LOL, we really should rename this thread "Talking shit"

 

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Viv [vc27]30 March 2003 23:50 Subject: RE: Re: Cats debate via other thoughts

Rabbits only eat it the 1st time it comes out (from what I've read), something they need to do. Don't know how they tell when it's the 2nd time but maybe we shouldn't think too much about it!

 

OTOH, dogs eat all sorts of faeces and allegedly, horse shit (am I allowed to say that on this list?) is good for them.

 

Viv

 

Lesley Dove [Lesley]Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:30 PM Subject: RE: Re: Cats debate via other thoughts

 

Rabbits do that apparently, eat their own poo.

Is there nothing you can plant that is unpleasant to cats and might deter them (without harming them of course)?

 

Lesley

 

 

quercusrobur2002 [grahamburnett]30 March 2003 18:51 Subject: Re: Cats debate via other thoughtspredation by domestic and ferral cats in Britain is > anti-ecological: if people need to keep these creatures they should feed > them with the carcuses of domestic herbivores like sheep and horses that die > peacefully and if you can't do that then you should not keep carnivorous > pets.> > Far too many cats out there already!> I wish the cats that visit my garden could be trained to eat their own shit. Then I would be happy.~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to -

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> Surely it should be the survival of the fittest , If cats are surviving

> then so be it . How is it anti ecological ? Who decides what is

> ecological Humans ?

 

I completely agree Angie. I remember once having great difficulty

explaining to someone that if a species is dying out, and for reasons

other than human created ones, then what right do we have to force its

continuation, and they just couldn't understand the point.

 

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> Do not cats have the right to choose to eat what ever they want to!

 

I think Simon has worked it out, finally!

 

> if they

> decide to eat a vegan meal that someones' given to them surly that's

> their

> choice.

 

And if they decide not to then that is also their choice. Well done

for finally accepting that simple fact.

 

Michael

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And if they decide not too ?

 

 

 

 

 

Do not cats have the right to choose to eat what ever they want to! if

they decide to eat a vegan meal that someones' given to them surly

that's their choice.

 

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Ist time its soft . 2nd time its hard

 

 

 

Rabbits only eat it the 1st time it comes out (from what I've read), something they need to do. Don't know how they tell when it's the 2nd time but maybe we shouldn't think too much about it!

 

OTOH, dogs eat all sorts of faeces and allegedly, horse shit (am I allowed to say that on this list?) is good for them.

 

Viv

 

 

 

 

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This is why I am not a conservationist -but people link it directly to

AR and veganism

 

Angie !!!

 

 

 

I completely agree Angie. I remember once having great difficulty

explaining to someone that if a species is dying out, and for reasons

other than human created ones, then what right do we have to force its

continuation, and they just couldn't understand the point.

 

Michael

 

 

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