Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2001 Maureen, I don't have the Vita mix, unfortunately. But these are just the directions that are on the instructions. I am on the Hallelujah diet. It is a completely vegan diet and excludes sugars and white flour. Also encourages eating about 85% raw diet. It sounds hard but really isn't. This recipe came from Rhonda Malkmus' cookbook "Recipes for Life from God's Garden" . Everything that I have tried in this book has been delicious! You can find out more about the Hallelujah diet at http://www.hacres.com and if you do get the Vitamix, let me know how you like it. I have also considered getting one. But I wouldn't make my juices in it as recommended if I get one. I think the point of juicing is to remove the pulp so the nutrients can get to your cells quickly. PamelaChristianCrusadersAcademyMom of 4 : Ages 15, 13, 13, and 10!Apostolic PentecostalBelieving that through courtship God will send our children their mates ----- Forwarded Message ----- "Maureen & Dale Smith" <maureen Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:07:33 -0800 Re: Message-ID: <019701c083cc$a67ab300$747badcf@net> References: <20010120.193755.-93410879.5.ChristianCrusadersAcademy Pamela,Doesn't the vitamix cook soups and such? If so, why wouldn't you just letthe slicing cheese cook in there instead of the saucepan before putting invitamix? I want to get one, but I have to get out of debt first. Whichmodel do you have? What kinds of things do you like to make in it? Can youtell me what it's strengths and weaknesses are? Thanks for your advice.Maureen-"Pamela M Bess" <ChristianCrusadersAcademySaturday, January 20, 2001 4:34 PMRe: > Another recipe for 'cheese sauce'>> Almond Cheese Sauce>> 1 cup almonds> 1 tsp. Bragg's Liquid Aminos> 1/2 tsp. garlic powder> 1 1/2 tsp. onion powder> 2/3 cup water> 1 Tbsp. fresh lemon juice> 1/2 cup red bell pepper> 1/4 cup nutritional yeast flakes>> Place all ingredients in a blender or Vita Mix and blend until smooth.> Place in a glass container and store in the refrigerator. This cheese> will thicken in the refrigerator.>> Almond Slicing Cheese>> 1 cup water> 1/2 cup red pepper> 1/4 cup nutritional yeast flakes> 1/2 tsp. garlic powder> 2 tsp. Braggs Liquid Aminos> 2 tsp. onion flakes> 4 Tbsp. agar agar flakes> 1 cup almonds> 1 Tbsp. tahini or 2 Tsp. sesame seeds> 2 Tbsp. lemon juice> 1/2 tsp. paprika>> Place water and agar agar in a pan and allow to soak for 5 minutes. Heat> to boiling and stir to dissolve agar. Once heated and dissolved, place> water mixture in a blender or Vita Mix or food processor and allow to> cool slightly. When cooled slightly, add almonds and blend on high until> a smooth, creamy consistency is reached. Stop blender and scrape sides.> Add remaining ingredients and blend until smooth, scraping sides until> all ingredients are mixed. Pour into a container and refrigerate until> set. THIS CHEESE CAN BE SLICED OR GRATED.>>> Pamela> ChristianCrusadersAcademy Mom of 4 : Ages 15, 13, 13, and 10!> Apostolic Pentecostal> Believing that through courtship God will send our children their mates>>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2001 Pamela, Doesn't the vitamix cook soups and such? If so, why wouldn't you just let the slicing cheese cook in there instead of the saucepan before putting in vitamix? I want to get one, but I have to get out of debt first. Which model do you have? What kinds of things do you like to make in it? Can you tell me what it's strengths and weaknesses are? Thanks for your advice. Maureen - " Pamela M Bess " <ChristianCrusadersAcademy Saturday, January 20, 2001 4:34 PM Re: > Another recipe for 'cheese sauce' > > Almond Cheese Sauce > > 1 cup almonds > 1 tsp. Bragg's Liquid Aminos > 1/2 tsp. garlic powder > 1 1/2 tsp. onion powder > 2/3 cup water > 1 Tbsp. fresh lemon juice > 1/2 cup red bell pepper > 1/4 cup nutritional yeast flakes > > Place all ingredients in a blender or Vita Mix and blend until smooth. > Place in a glass container and store in the refrigerator. This cheese > will thicken in the refrigerator. > > Almond Slicing Cheese > > 1 cup water > 1/2 cup red pepper > 1/4 cup nutritional yeast flakes > 1/2 tsp. garlic powder > 2 tsp. Braggs Liquid Aminos > 2 tsp. onion flakes > 4 Tbsp. agar agar flakes > 1 cup almonds > 1 Tbsp. tahini or 2 Tsp. sesame seeds > 2 Tbsp. lemon juice > 1/2 tsp. paprika > > Place water and agar agar in a pan and allow to soak for 5 minutes. Heat > to boiling and stir to dissolve agar. Once heated and dissolved, place > water mixture in a blender or Vita Mix or food processor and allow to > cool slightly. When cooled slightly, add almonds and blend on high until > a smooth, creamy consistency is reached. Stop blender and scrape sides. > Add remaining ingredients and blend until smooth, scraping sides until > all ingredients are mixed. Pour into a container and refrigerate until > set. THIS CHEESE CAN BE SLICED OR GRATED. > > > Pamela > ChristianCrusadersAcademy > Mom of 4 : Ages 15, 13, 13, and 10! > Apostolic Pentecostal > Believing that through courtship God will send our children their mates > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2001 Pam, I'm on the same kind of vegan diet you are. I feel healthy and have been making wheat grass and sprouts lately. I like the carrot juice w/o the pulp also. I would love to hear from those of you who do have vitamix machines. I want to know what their strenghts and weaknesses are. I'd like to know what your favorite things are to make in them. I'm looking forward to getting one in the next few to several months, if I can save enough money and I see I'd use it enough. Thanks for your input. Maureen - Pamela M Bess Sunday, January 21, 2001 8:19 AM Fw: Re: Maureen, I don't have the Vita mix, unfortunately. But these are just the directions that are on the instructions. I am on the Hallelujah diet. It is a completely vegan diet and excludes sugars and white flour. Also encourages eating about 85% raw diet. It sounds hard but really isn't. This recipe came from Rhonda Malkmus' cookbook "Recipes for Life from God's Garden" . Everything that I have tried in this book has been delicious! You can find out more about the Hallelujah diet at http://www.hacres.com and if you do get the Vitamix, let me know how you like it. I have also considered getting one. But I wouldn't make my juices in it as recommended if I get one. I think the point of juicing is to remove the pulp so the nutrients can get to your cells quickly. PamelaChristianCrusadersAcademyMom of 4 : Ages 15, 13, 13, and 10!Apostolic PentecostalBelieving that through courtship God will send our children their mates ----- Forwarded Message ----- "Maureen & Dale Smith" <maureen Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:07:33 -0800 Re: Message-ID: <019701c083cc$a67ab300$747badcf@net> References: <20010120.193755.-93410879.5.ChristianCrusadersAcademy Pamela,Doesn't the vitamix cook soups and such? If so, why wouldn't you just letthe slicing cheese cook in there instead of the saucepan before putting invitamix? I want to get one, but I have to get out of debt first. Whichmodel do you have? What kinds of things do you like to make in it? Can youtell me what it's strengths and weaknesses are? Thanks for your advice.Maureen-"Pamela M Bess" <ChristianCrusadersAcademySaturday, January 20, 2001 4:34 PMRe: > Another recipe for 'cheese sauce'>> Almond Cheese Sauce>> 1 cup almonds> 1 tsp. Bragg's Liquid Aminos> 1/2 tsp. garlic powder> 1 1/2 tsp. onion powder> 2/3 cup water> 1 Tbsp. fresh lemon juice> 1/2 cup red bell pepper> 1/4 cup nutritional yeast flakes>> Place all ingredients in a blender or Vita Mix and blend until smooth.> Place in a glass container and store in the refrigerator. This cheese> will thicken in the refrigerator.>> Almond Slicing Cheese>> 1 cup water> 1/2 cup red pepper> 1/4 cup nutritional yeast flakes> 1/2 tsp. garlic powder> 2 tsp. Braggs Liquid Aminos> 2 tsp. onion flakes> 4 Tbsp. agar agar flakes> 1 cup almonds> 1 Tbsp. tahini or 2 Tsp. sesame seeds> 2 Tbsp. lemon juice> 1/2 tsp. paprika>> Place water and agar agar in a pan and allow to soak for 5 minutes. Heat> to boiling and stir to dissolve agar. Once heated and dissolved, place> water mixture in a blender or Vita Mix or food processor and allow to> cool slightly. When cooled slightly, add almonds and blend on high until> a smooth, creamy consistency is reached. Stop blender and scrape sides.> Add remaining ingredients and blend until smooth, scraping sides until> all ingredients are mixed. Pour into a container and refrigerate until> set. THIS CHEESE CAN BE SLICED OR GRATED.>>> Pamela> ChristianCrusadersAcademy Mom of 4 : Ages 15, 13, 13, and 10!> Apostolic Pentecostal> Believing that through courtship God will send our children their mates>>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 18, 2001 Hi: I love receiving the recipes from this new list. Would it be possible to combine the recipes in a journal style such as we receive from the fatfree list, if you are familiar with that one? Does anyone agree with me or should I just sit back and enjoy these recipes as is? Thanks for listening, Lois in New Jersey (PS Thanks moderator for your work!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 18, 2001 All you have to do to do that is go to www. and log in. Tell it to send a daily digest. > > Avalons [Avalons] > Sunday, February 18, 2001 1:06 PM > > Re: > > > Hi: I love receiving the recipes from this new list. Would it be > possible to > combine the recipes in a journal style such as we receive from > the fatfree > list, if you are familiar with that one? Does anyone agree with > me or should > I just sit back and enjoy these recipes as is? Thanks for > listening, Lois in > New Jersey (PS Thanks moderator for your work!) > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2001 Nice concise reply John ....so what do I mean by radical?...ha!!... certainly not bashing stupid executives over the head with sticks... I grew up in Belfast...and I was surrounded by seriously confused ethics all my life... all I learnt from it, (apart from nationalism sux) is that all movements have their fringes...and all fringes have their extremes etc etc... Yes I to smiled to hear the stupid man got a kicking...it was purely a feeling of primal retribution, nothing intellectual about it..other than it`s inevitability... But back to radicalism....and furthermore...back to belfast.... Social change does not occur instantly, but there are moments of resonance...big waves...and thats what I mean by radical... Thats where I`m aiming... But it ain`t with stick and stones!! oh...and as for the stuff about people reading this? so what? their minds are as cryptic as join the dots...and I am always innocent!! love to you all xoxox _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 27, 2001 Unfortunate that 'radicalism' seems to have acquired semantic overlap with 'violence'. Remember, violence is against the human body, not against property. That is exactly the distinction that the law is trying to destroy with the Prevention of Terrorism Act. Most if not all of the AR and other direct-action movements are strictly NVDA and I've never met any of these mysterious violent activists. It's not a case of either a conventional capitalist life with Linda McCartney sausages or a bombing campaign. Being vegan is a very important and necessary step towards a total understanding of the forces that are destroying all forms of life. A total understanding requires a total opposition, but there is no reason to assume that people who feel that way are violent - quite the opposite. What could be more violent than, for example, sitting back and letting the radioactive rubble that remains of Iraq being carpet-bombed once again? Resistance to radicalism is about the most violent thing you can do. Michael. --- john allan <jallan wrote: > > I'm sorry I keep going off on tangents, I guess > I'm wondering > > why you guys think it is so wrong to have pets > > > > > the pet industry sux...there is so much more > pleasure in chance > > encounters with wildlife...otherwise we are all > gona end up in a > > world of cats rats dogs and cockroaches....nice! > > and cats dont care much for endangered species, did > you see the figures for how many small bird > domenstic cats kill each years, i think it was in in > the ten of millions. the same goes for voles and > shrews etc. > > you will be interested to know japanese dogs love > rice, vegetables and miso soup. > > i guess one big divide in this debate is between > city and country. animals deserve to live in the > city even less than people do and most owners are > not capable of looking after their little > shit-machines never mind their children. dobermans > in 12th storey flats, obese little mutt waddling > down the road, geriatric old grannies having > relationships their lapdogs in pissy house instead > of other human beings etc ... > > cats might help de-stress people but i think it > would be a lot healthier if people stroked each > other instead. like with child abuse offenders > justify it on the basis that it is easier and > satisfies them. > > having said that, we are in a transitional stage, > sacrifices and good compromises such as caring for > rescues need to be made to reach an enevitable end. > but would you give the money that you give to feed > an animal to feed a starving black kid? [ i dont do > either, so i an not taking the moral high ground ]. > > > NICE ONE!!...I¨M PISSED OFF AT THE MOMENT!!!....is > there any > > pro-active radicals here?...or is this network a > sheltered middle > > class utopia? > > what is your definition of " radical " . > > the real world has taught that, like Bob, being > enlightened, compassionate, honest, thoughtful, > selfless; having integrity are probably the most > radical things to do above all. certainly the > rarest. only it needs to be balanced with strength > as well. > > y'all must have read that the director of huntingdon > life sciences got attacked by three balaclava > wearing assailants. who beat him around the head > knocking several stitches into it. > > whereas i really cant help raising a small cheer for > it, it must have spoken a lot to the new american > owners of what they are getting into, i wonder who > actually did it. i am always a bit suspicious about > this sort of radicalism because it could always be > other parties who have some vested interests in. > > often debates have been stoked up by those that want > to discredit the green, animal, community movements > in order to get more tighter laws, more legislation, > heavier punishments. the manipulation of Hegelian > Dialectics is i think what they call it. setting two > parties against themselve in order to achieve the > third outcome that you/they want. > > i remember that during the MacLibel case something > like 3 out of 5 people at the London Greenpeace > meeting were employed to snoop, stir up by the > plaintiffs. another women, a friend of a friend who > was part, i think it was of LG fell in love with and > slept with a guy who latter turned out to be a > snoop. this was a seperate case, i can get the exact > details if you wish. it does go on. > > likewise i am cautious to rise to the encouragement > of the violently disaffected or radicals, because > you really do not know where they are coming from. > whether they are just idiotically nihilist and > destructive to even their own cause or whether they > are agent provocateurs. > > you join a list like this and you can guarantee that > it is being monitored now that the NCIS and other > security and intelligence services have targetted > sabbing, animal rights and even vegetarians and > vegans are being hotbeds of radicalism. [ yes, it is > true guys, we are aspiring to be radically sweet and > nice and love all living beings ]. you would think > that they might have something better to do with > their time. > > i wonder about this at some of the big demo that are > lost to the rent a riot crew. a bit like the > socialist worker party or class war trying to whip > people up with base emotions of anger and envy. it > is all likely to backfire just as well. > > i am sure that someone if going to get killed on the > side of the animal abusers and it will not be too > long in happening. an attack like that could have > done it. heads are not that hard and can break like > eggshells. i would not be surprised if it happened > in america at all, guns being so easy to have, life > being more exaggerated. > > i wonder how it will effect the debate? it will > obviously bring it to a higher head. they can " ban " > vegetarian or veganism. they can defend every > indiviudal working in the animal industry. i am very > upset at the present governments, any government's > fudging of the issues for the sake of vested > interests. > > it is interesting that people on our side always > bring up the case of Mahatma Gandhi as a successor > of non-violent tactics. but yet if you study > history, the independence movement in India had two > sides. Mahatma and the saint on one side, and the > guys out there blowing up railway track and duffing > up rivals on the other. the result cae after both > ends and, my guess was concreted after the killing > of Gandhi. something had to be done. enough was > enough. > > the outcome was equally mixed. everyone universally > agrees that it was right for the british to get out > of India [ pilaging rife on their way out as ever ] > but on the other hand most Indians i know lament the > British leaving and say that things were much better > when they were their. the bitter feuding and abuse > of power did not stop. party started fighting > against themselves. > > how would this apply to our desires? > > no answers, no advice, no inspirations, just > observations. > > john > > oops, click, there goes the computer recording all > my emails now. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 28, 2001 > > Message: 16 > Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:20:24 -0600 > " Susan M. Prepejchal " <sprepejchal > (unknown) > > Just out of curiosity, am I the only one here whose husband is also > vegetarian? OK, ok, so my home life is harmonious...it's just the rest > of the culture we're at odds with! Susan > ______________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > Nope, you're not alone. My husband was a meat eater when I first met him. He decided to try going veg (mostly to impress me while we were dating!) He found that it agreed with him. That was thirteen years ago and he's still a vegetarian. In the past few years his father - who eats the SAD diet - has had heart disease, a stroke, and cancer. I think it makes my husband feel glad that he's stuck with being a veg. I think his family thought I was pretty kooky for a long time (I turned their son into a vegetarian!) but now they talk about meatless burgers and having to keep their cholesterol down. I guess I'm not so kooky after all... Andréa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2001 >john allan <jallan >vegan-network ><vegan-network > > >Sat, 10 Mar 01 22:10:59 +0000 > > > Unfortunately any film you see at the Cinima has been printed on a > > Gelatine film...I have looked into this as I am a film maker and > > there does not seem to be any alternative other than DIGI-BETA which > > is a high resolution format used for T.V > >it is interesting but the next Star Wars movie may be the first ever >major vegan movie. if you watch it on VCD. it is going to be shot and >produced entirely in digital video as Lucas is convinced the high end >tools are up for the job now. > Good for Mr Lucas, unfortunatley (as with disney) free toys will probably be given out with " happy meals " _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2001 Last time the Star Wars toys were given out at Pizza Hut - does anyone know if they still cater for vegans? Lucy mr big <pervyempirevegan-network <vegan-network >12 March 2001 08:00Re: >john allan <jallan>vegan-network ><vegan-network >>>Sat, 10 Mar 01 22:10:59 +0000>> > Unfortunately any film you see at the Cinima has been printed on a> > Gelatine film...I have looked into this as I am a film maker and> > there does not seem to be any alternative other than DIGI-BETA which> > is a high resolution format used for T.V>>it is interesting but the next Star Wars movie may be the first ever>major vegan movie. if you watch it on VCD. it is going to be shot and>produced entirely in digital video as Lucas is convinced the high end>tools are up for the job now.>Good for Mr Lucas, unfortunatley (as with disney) free toys will probably be given out with "happy meals"_______________________Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2001 Last I knew Pizza Hut bases weren't vegan, they contain whey or some other milk by-product, but there's no point trusting the staff in the restaurants. They will just tell you what they want to tell you, you have to check with head office. I might be out of date on this. Lesley > Last time the Star Wars toys were given out at Pizza Hut - does anyone know if they still cater for vegans? > > Lucy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 15, 2001 Hi I work for an isp, and im sure ill be able to wangle 10mb of space somehow or other if ya want. Lou > " Matt " <matt >vegan-network ><vegan-network > >RE: >Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:25:17 -0000 > > > >>We are creating an ethical internet company - (ie: Non-Profitmaking > >>Co-Operative, Vegan, Green, Pro-Active). > >>We'd like to build up a portfolio of sites that we've created, so > >>we'd love to take on the vegan-network site as a project (for free). > > >that sounds like you were born to do the job Matt. > >Cheers :-) > > >are you near london? can you come to the meal on saturday. > >We are in Mid Wales, this weekend is pretty busy, but we are well >up for coming to a future meal. > > >you are going to have fun picking a thread from all this but then > >likewise your input will have a great defining effect on what it is to > >become. > >Cool, we've loads of ideas, and I'm sure there's plenty of inspiration >on the list. > >What's the situation with hosting ? >We could use a bit of our site (www.greenerfuture.org.uk) >(eg: www.greenerfuture.org.uk/vegan-network ?) > >(unfortunateley, our site is currently hosted by one of the 'free' ISPs, >so there is a limit to what we ca do, we will be sorting this when we >have some cash-flow!) > >If people think it's ok to have an address at GreenerFuture, we can >start putting content up as soon as it's ready... > >Hope this does not all sound too forward, we're really up for it >(and we need to be able to point to stuff we've done :-) > > >john > >Matt and Carla (greenerfure) > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 15, 2001 >>We are creating an ethical internet company - (ie: Non-Profitmaking >>Co-Operative, Vegan, Green, Pro-Active). >>We'd like to build up a portfolio of sites that we've created, so >>we'd love to take on the vegan-network site as a project (for free). >that sounds like you were born to do the job Matt. Cheers :-) >are you near london? can you come to the meal on saturday. We are in Mid Wales, this weekend is pretty busy, but we are well up for coming to a future meal. >you are going to have fun picking a thread from all this but then >likewise your input will have a great defining effect on what it is to >become. Cool, we've loads of ideas, and I'm sure there's plenty of inspiration on the list. What's the situation with hosting ? We could use a bit of our site (www.greenerfuture.org.uk) (eg: www.greenerfuture.org.uk/vegan-network ?) (unfortunateley, our site is currently hosted by one of the 'free' ISPs, so there is a limit to what we ca do, we will be sorting this when we have some cash-flow!) If people think it's ok to have an address at GreenerFuture, we can start putting content up as soon as it's ready... Hope this does not all sound too forward, we're really up for it (and we need to be able to point to stuff we've done :-) >john Matt and Carla (greenerfure) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2001 Yes, to all of you who said this past week that the loose use of the term " vegetarian " is a problem: My five-year-old's " vegetarian " classmate is visiting and just requested pepperoni on her pizza. I told her we are vegetarian and don't eat pepperoni. She smiled and said, " That's ok; I'm vegetarian and I eat pepperoni, and my mom is vegetarian and she likes fish. But we don't eat any vegetables! " ARGHHH!!! ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 23, 2001 I've got a practical/ethical dilemma I'd like to hear comments on. Until recently, my son became hysterical when a playmate stomped on an ant or other bug and that was pretty much the last time he'd have anything to do with the child. He is 8 now and is still not happy about such violent behavior, but we find that not only is the practice of stomping bugs so culturally widespread at this age that kids look at a dissenter as though s/he just fell to earth from Mars, but the kids' PARENTS fully approve of the behavior and will explain to us that they think it's fine or that their kids are used to nature, life and death, etc.. (??). I really don't know how to tell my kids to react or how to react myself when this kind of thing happens so constantly and our speaking out only ailienates us from most of the people we meet. My 5-yr old did suggest to a playmate that they " just pretend to stomp on them " , which I thought rather diplomatic. I " ve made clear to children visiting OUR house our house rules against hurting or killing any living creature, and I've expressed regret to children (in the absence of their parents) over their actions in killing a bug that was not doing a thing to hurt them. I have had no luck discussing this with parents who did not already share my convictions, however. Any similar experiences or insights? Susan ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2001 just curious....what do you do about mosquitoes? dawne & chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2001 I have had that experience with adults, though not with children. My office is surrounded on two sides by woods, and we have had every creature imaginable walking through the offices at one point or another (from bugs to skunks). I refuse to kill any of the bugs, and my office mates (4 of them) have over time started picking up the bugs and letting them out the window as I do. At first it was just to shut me up, then I think they actually began to respect my point of view, but over the past few years, they have become used to the idea and say that they do the same at home now. It seems that my actions, more than my words were what changed their way of looking at living creatures. We all joke about it now, but all the bugs, mice, and even the skunk have made it out of the office safely. I don't know if that helps, but it's my experience. Sharon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 8, 2001 Pamela, So, are the recipies mostly raw in Rhonda Malkmus book below? maureen - Pamela M Bess Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:19 AM Fw: Re: Maureen, I don't have the Vita mix, unfortunately. But these are just the directions that are on the instructions. I am on the Hallelujah diet. It is a completely vegan diet and excludes sugars and white flour. Also encourages eating about 85% raw diet. It sounds hard but really isn't. This recipe came from Rhonda Malkmus' cookbook "Recipes for Life from God's Garden" . Everything that I have tried in this book has been delicious! You can find out more about the Hallelujah diet at http://www.hacres.com and if you do get the Vitamix, let me know how you like it. I have also considered getting one. But I wouldn't make my juices in it as recommended if I get one. I think the point of juicing is to remove the pulp so the nutrients can get to your cells quickly. PamelaChristianCrusadersAcademyMom of 4 : Ages 15, 13, 13, and 10!Apostolic PentecostalBelieving that through courtship God will send our children their mates ----- Forwarded Message ----- "Maureen & Dale Smith" <maureen Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:07:33 -0800 Re: Message-ID: <019701c083cc$a67ab300$747badcf@net> References: <20010120.193755.-93410879.5.ChristianCrusadersAcademy Pamela,Doesn't the vitamix cook soups and such? If so, why wouldn't you just letthe slicing cheese cook in there instead of the saucepan before putting invitamix? I want to get one, but I have to get out of debt first. Whichmodel do you have? What kinds of things do you like to make in it? Can youtell me what it's strengths and weaknesses are? Thanks for your advice.Maureen-"Pamela M Bess" <ChristianCrusadersAcademySaturday, January 20, 2001 4:34 PMRe: > Another recipe for 'cheese sauce'>> Almond Cheese Sauce>> 1 cup almonds> 1 tsp. Bragg's Liquid Aminos> 1/2 tsp. garlic powder> 1 1/2 tsp. onion powder> 2/3 cup water> 1 Tbsp. fresh lemon juice> 1/2 cup red bell pepper> 1/4 cup nutritional yeast flakes>> Place all ingredients in a blender or Vita Mix and blend until smooth.> Place in a glass container and store in the refrigerator. This cheese> will thicken in the refrigerator.>> Almond Slicing Cheese>> 1 cup water> 1/2 cup red pepper> 1/4 cup nutritional yeast flakes> 1/2 tsp. garlic powder> 2 tsp. Braggs Liquid Aminos> 2 tsp. onion flakes> 4 Tbsp. agar agar flakes> 1 cup almonds> 1 Tbsp. tahini or 2 Tsp. sesame seeds> 2 Tbsp. lemon juice> 1/2 tsp. paprika>> Place water and agar agar in a pan and allow to soak for 5 minutes. Heat> to boiling and stir to dissolve agar. Once heated and dissolved, place> water mixture in a blender or Vita Mix or food processor and allow to> cool slightly. When cooled slightly, add almonds and blend on high until> a smooth, creamy consistency is reached. Stop blender and scrape sides.> Add remaining ingredients and blend until smooth, scraping sides until> all ingredients are mixed. Pour into a container and refrigerate until> set. THIS CHEESE CAN BE SLICED OR GRATED.>>> Pamela> ChristianCrusadersAcademy Mom of 4 : Ages 15, 13, 13, and 10!> Apostolic Pentecostal> Believing that through courtship God will send our children their mates>>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2001 Why? Is that the reason ? Why not only change the animal products to non-animal products? On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:41:51 -0700 " Mary " <vanoravanora wrote: Hey! Thought I'd let you know I am unsbubbing. I have made my way to Veganism. Not many Vegan dishes come through this list.. that's too bad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2001 Or even better why not post vegan recipes. - Robban Friday, July 20, 2001 10:31 AM Re: Why? Is that the reason ? Why not only change the animal products to non-animal products?On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:41:51 -0700"Mary" <vanoravanora wrote:Hey!Thought I'd let you know I am unsbubbing.I have made my way to Veganism.Not many Vegan dishes come through this list.. that's too bad :(contact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2001 Wow, this sounds really good. It also sounds like something that you could experiment with spice combos. Thanks!!! Amanda - Mary Friday, July 20, 2001 12:38 PM Re: >I'd be happy to post some vegan dishes if anyone is interested :)Like this yummy one:Southern Baked Tofu<< Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2001 >Why? Is that the reason ? Why not only change the animal products to non-animal products?< Hi! Well, some stuff you can't substitute Like eggs.... unless you are baking something, then you can use bannanas. I just thought it would be easier. I'll stay on a little longer and see what comes my way. I'd be happy to post some vegan dishes if anyone is interested Like this yummy one: Southern Baked Tofu Ingredients 1 lb. extra-firm tofu Corn meal 1 stick Safflower margarine Nutritional yeast Pinch of salt Sage Celery salt Corn flakes Brown rice flour or garbanzo flour Cut tofu into 1/4-inch thick slices. In a bowl, mix all the dry ingredients. In a small skillet, heat up 1/2 - 1 stick margerine. When completely melted, dip tofu in margarine; make sure you coat all surfaces. Dredge tofu to dry breading, and cover both sides. Transfer breaded tofu to a lightly greased tray or cookie sheet. Bake until crunchy, about 8-10 minutes. ------------------------------- ~*Mary*~ Co-Founder of " The Nuzzled Network " www.nuzzled.net " Our day will come if we just wait awhile " -Ruby and the Romantics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2001 Hey, what's up? a good friend asked me for my secret carrot cake recipe and I figured that since I typed it up I mine as well send it to the list. Now there are tons of carrot cake recipes out there but I highly doubt that any are as good as this one, seriously. Anyway, I guess it won't be secret anymore and I hope yours comes out as well as mine, it's been a party favorite for years! Jeff's World Famous Vegan Carrot Cake CAKE INGREDIENTS: * 2 Cups of Flour (i use a mix of whole wheat pastry flour and white pastry flour) * 2 Cups of Sugar (i use organic florida crystals) * 2 teaspoons of baking soda * 2 teaspoons of cinnamon, ground * 1 cup of oil (i use safflower or sunflower) * 3 energy egg replacer servings * 2 teaspoons of vanilla extract * 4 cups of raw carrots. grated course. about 8-10 carrots * 1 cup of chopped walnuts * 1 Cup of shredded coconut * 3/4 Cup of Canned, Crushed Pineapple, drained * Cream Cheese frosting (follow my super dope recipe yo) * Confectioners Sugar for dusting (i use the evaporated can confect. sugar but it's tough to find. Drawback = it makes the icing have a slightly grey color. The supermarket white stuff keeps it nice and white) 1) Preheat oven to 350 F. Line a 13 x 9inch layer cake pan with waxed paper. grease the paper up proper! 2) Sift the flour, sugar, baking soda and cinnamon together in a large bowl. Add oil, egg replacer stuff and vanilla. Beat it like a red headed stepchild. Fold in the organic carrots, walnuts, coconut and pineapple. 3) Pour the yummy batter into the prepared pan. Place it on the middle rack of the oven and bake until the edges have pulled away from the sides slightly. Insert toothpick. If the toothpick comes out nice and clean, it's done! This should take, roughly, an hour. 4) Cool the cake in the ole' pan for about 10 minutes. Then invert it over a cake rack or something similar and remove it. Let this puppy cool for about 1 hour! 5)Frost the top and sides of the cooled cake with the cream cheese frosting (See below). Dust it with the confectioners' sugar, eat lots, get a stomach ache because you ate too much cake and repeat because this cake is that good! CREAM CHEESE FROSTING * 8 ounces of vegan cream cheese (head hung in shame, I use toffutti because it works and tastes best. bad for you but oh so good) * 6 Tablespoons of vegan margerine (I use earth balance) * 3 Cups of Confectioners' Sugar ( i use the healthfood store stuff, same story as above) * 1 Teaspoon of Vanilla Extract * Juice of 1/2 a lemon 1) Cream the cream cheese and margerine together in a medium sized mixing bowl. 2) Slowly, very slowly, sift in the confectioners' sugar and beat it, again like a redheaded step child until it's all in there. It'll take a bit but get out all of the lumps. No cheating! No one likes lumpy frosting! Stir in vanilla and lemon and make sure it get's mixed in well. NOTES: You may also use 3 9 " cake pans if you don't have a 13x9 inch pan. The frosting, if you use the the health food store confectioners's sugar will be slightly grey. It doesn't effect the taste at all but if you are trying to impress non-vegans, you may want to go with the old supermarket bought stuff... I've impressed vegans and non-vegans with this cake and everyone asks for this recipe Be Good, Jeff _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2001 I know people who swear by SmartBeat, but we love Willow Run brand margarine-- both of which are vegan. I know Willow Run is more fatty than the other vegan margarines, but let's face it, that's why we use/eat margarine in the first place! Good luck, Beth > > Elizabeth W. [elizabeth1204] > Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:45 PM > > > > > Hello, > > I am fairly new to the vegan thing and am having a hard time with eating > out. . .it seems that there are very few restaurants that have ANYTHING > vegan on the menu. It is also tough when dining at friends houses, etc. . > .I am in a lay minister program at a soup kitchen and they feed > us for free > but there is rarely anything vegan available. . .we also have lay minister > dinners where one of us cooks for the rest once a week and I have the same > problem there. I'd love to get some feedback on this. . .how do you all > cope with this problem- do you just give up eating out altogether or bring > your own food with you everywhere you go? Neither solution seems very > feasible. . .with so many vegans out there why on earth aren't there more > vegan restaurants or at least vegan items on the menus? I live in one of > the most progressive areas in the country (CA) and I'm shocked > and dismayed > at the lack of options available for those who are trying to live a > healthier lifestyle. > > P.S. A while back there was a vegan margarine that was recommended to the > group. . .does anyone remember what it was? I seem to have misplaced that > e-mail. Thanks!! " Change your life, simply by changing your mind " > > - > little shirley beans <lilshirleyb > > Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:24 AM > intro + vegan caviar recipe > > > > Hiya, > > > > I'm quite new to this list, so I thought I > > might introduce meself, me name's Celina, > > live in a small suburb of Stockholm, Sweden. > > I study English at Stockholm's University. > > Have been vegan for about 4 years and before > > that I was a lacto-ovo vegetarian for little > > more than a year. > > > > I'm also sending you lot a recipe to a vegan > > 'caviar', dunno if it's already been sent, but > > I'll send it anyroad. It's somewhat odd, > > as I translated it from Swedish, with all > > the different unit names and stuff. > > > > love, > > Celina > > > > ---------------- > > Amarantcaviar > > > > About a half pint [uK] / 3 dl cooked, rinsed amarantseeds > > Little more 1½ ounces / 50 g smoked tofu [or a drop or > > two of smokearoma, or 2-3 tbsps of smoked > > texturised soyprotein] > > 2 tbsps ketchup > > 3 tbsps chopped dill > > 1 tbsp rape oil > > 1-2 teaspoons sea salt > > > > Cook the amarantseeds with plenty of water for about 25-30 > > minutes. Then rinse all the sticky starch away with cold water > > in a fine-meshed strainer, until they don't feel sticky anymore. > > Then mix the smoked tofu [or what else you chose], chopped dill, > > sea salt and the oil to a somewhat sticky mass and flavour the > > amarant seeds with this. > > > > Tip: The smoked tofu [or whatever smoky thing you chose] is > > important as it gives the flavour to it all. > > > > > > - > > A human can be healthy without killing animals for food. Therefore if he > eats meat he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his > appetite. > > --Leo Tolstoy > > > > me: http://www.behave.cjb.net > > veganfood: http://www.veganrecept.ipfox.com > > vegan christmasfood: http://www.julmat.ipfox.com > > icq: 16956918 > > -- > > > > > > A human can be healthy without killing animals for food. Therefore if he > eats meat he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his > appetite. > > --Leo Tolstoy > > > > me: http://www.behave.cjb.net > > veganfood: http://www.veganrecept.ipfox.com > > vegan christmasfood: http://www.julmat.ipfox.com > > icq: 16956918 > > > > > > _____________ > > Get your free email from www.kittymail.com > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2001 In a message dated 8/23/2001 12:57:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amcclure writes: Tisk Tisk, Alan McClure Too funny, Alan, I was just getting ready to look it up at another site that debunks the internet myths. Some of them are so crazy that I check it on a regular basis, my favorite is the one about cockroach eggs on the glue of envelopes! Sara Colin's Ap Mama We haven't inherited the earth, we are only borrowing it from our children. Come see us at http://members.tripod.com/colinsapmama/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
