herbs for bone cancer

April 13, 2010

Hi, a patient's 9 yr old dog has been diagnosed with bone cancer in both

hind-legs.

I referred them to a vet acupuncturist who said the diagnosis is toxic damp

heat.

As far as we know, the cancer has not spread to other parts of the body.

Are there any Chinese herbs that are known to be used specifically for bone

cancers?

The base formula given was Ban xia bai zhu tian ma tang with additions of

Bai hua she she cao,

Mu li, Zhe bei mu and San leng.

K

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April 13, 2010

one thing to think about is to be sure that you include herbs that go to the

bones as envoys: gu sui bu in particular.

Cara

On Apr 13, 2010, at 12:07 AM, wrote:

> Hi, a patient's 9 yr old dog has been diagnosed with bone cancer in both

> hind-legs.

> I referred them to a vet acupuncturist who said the diagnosis is toxic damp

> heat.

> As far as we know, the cancer has not spread to other parts of the body.

>

> Are there any Chinese herbs that are known to be used specifically for bone

> cancers?

>

> The base formula given was Ban xia bai zhu tian ma tang with additions of

> Bai hua she she cao,

> Mu li, Zhe bei mu and San leng.

>

> K

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> www.tcmreview.com

>

April 13, 2010

Good idea... sometimes we forget about these guiding herbs.

I found this online:

http://altered-states.net/barry/cancer/Cancer_formulas1.pdf

K

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 6:44 AM, cara <herbbabe wrote:

> one thing to think about is to be sure that you include herbs that go to

> the bones as envoys: gu sui bu in particular.

>

> Cara

> On Apr 13, 2010, at 12:07 AM, wrote:

>

> > Hi, a patient's 9 yr old dog has been diagnosed with bone cancer in both

> > hind-legs.

> > I referred them to a vet acupuncturist who said the diagnosis is toxic

> damp

> > heat.

> > As far as we know, the cancer has not spread to other parts of the body.

> >

> > Are there any Chinese herbs that are known to be used specifically for

> bone

> > cancers?

> >

> > The base formula given was Ban xia bai zhu tian ma tang with additions of

> > Bai hua she she cao,

> > Mu li, Zhe bei mu and San leng.

> >

> > K

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> > ""

> >

> > www.tcmreview.com

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April 13, 2010

Hi there....

Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they biopsied

these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and usually lung

mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to us, they've

already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment. CT's may/will

show more definition than radiographs of course, and ultrasound at least of

abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are phenomenally painful

neoplasias. For general info, see www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be

thinking of hoxsey-like formula and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang

Herbal's Bone Stasis formula (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm

pattern diagnosis, of course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with

pain and mobility support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful,

and for quality of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based,

home cooked regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient,

starve the tumor.!

Good l.uck...

Robin Valentine

April 13, 2010

A Rife device called the Beam Ray is now FDA approved for veterinary use and it

has a high efficacy in cancer treatment. It is now also FDA approved as an

experimental device for use on humans and I use it with good results in my

clinic.

This device was invented by Royal Raymond Rife and you can google his name and

work.

Hope this helps,

Dr. Don J. Snow,

Chinese Medicine

RCVVMD

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

Re:herbs for bone cancer

Hi there....

Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they biopsied

these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and usually lung

mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to us, they've

already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment. CT's may/will

show more definition than radiographs of course, and ultrasound at least of

abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are phenomenally painful

neoplasias. For general info, see www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be

thinking of hoxsey-like formula and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang

Herbal's Bone Stasis formula (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm

pattern diagnosis, of course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with

pain and mobility support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful,

and for quality of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based,

home cooked regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient,

starve the tumor.!

Good l.uck...

Robin Valentine

April 13, 2010

Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

animal).

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

RCVVMD

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

Re:herbs for bone cancer

Hi there....

Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they biopsied

these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and usually lung

mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to us, they've

already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment. CT's may/will

show more definition than radiographs of course, and ultrasound at least of

abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are phenomenally painful

neoplasias. For general info, see www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be

thinking of hoxsey-like formula and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang

Herbal's Bone Stasis formula (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm

pattern diagnosis, of course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with

pain and mobility support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful,

and for quality of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based,

home cooked regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient,

starve the tumor.!

Good l.uck...

Robin Valentine

April 13, 2010

The vet recommended very high supplementation of Vitamin A and D

and as much Liver as the dog can eat....

anyone understand why this would be helpful or not for this kind of cancer?

K

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:54 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote:

>

> Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

> macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

> animal).

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> Chinese Medicine

> RCVVMD

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

> Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

Hi there....

>

> Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they

> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to

> us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.

> CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

> ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are

> phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis formula

> (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

> course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

> support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality

> of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

> regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

> tumor.!

>

> Good l.uck...

>

> Robin Valentine

>

April 13, 2010

what makes sense reading this is that vitamins A and D facilitate the absorption

of Calcium---> regeneration of the bone

Liver and Kidney share the same source----> regeneration of the bone

g.

________________________________

<johnkokko

Chinese Medicine

Tue, April 13, 2010 8:26:58 AM

Re: Re:herbs for bone cancer

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The vet recommended very high supplementation of Vitamin A and D

and as much Liver as the dog can eat....

anyone understand why this would be helpful or not for this kind of cancer?

K

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:54 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1@ hotmail.com>wrote:

>

> Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

> macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

> animal).

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> RCVVMD

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

> Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

Hi there....

>

> Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they

> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to

> us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.

> CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

> ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are

> phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> www.veterinarypartn ers.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis formula

> (tcvmherbal. com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

> course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

> support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality

> of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

> regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

> tumor.!

>

> Good l.uck...

>

> Robin Valentine

>

April 13, 2010

Cancer cells no longer use oxidation to create energy, they undergo gycolosis.

In other words, cancer loves sugars and cancer is anaerobic. That is why

laetril is anti-cancer. Glycolosis releases cyanide into the cancer which kills

it. Health cells burn oxygen that won't allow the cyanide to hydolize.

Therefore, the cyanide doesn't affect a healthy cell. You want to kill cancer,

not just make it unwelcome. However, you don't want to interfere with normal

cells.

For some of the best treatments for cancer: human or animal, buy a book called

" Cancer; Step Outside the Box " written by Tye Bollinger. It is wonderful and

will tell you the treatment for the stage of cancer. I have various cancer

patients I treated 6 or 7 years ago that are still cancer free. Some had bone

cancer, metastatic prostate cancer, and lung cancer. Since it is illegal for

anyone but an MD to treat cancer, I treat the symptoms. If the cancer happens

to go away, that's fine. I also never charge a cancer patient. However, if I

am treating pain only, I do charge.

Hope this helps,

Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

Hope it helps

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> naturaldoc1

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:54:45 +0000

> RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

> Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

animal).

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> Chinese Medicine

> RCVVMD

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

> Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

Hi there....

>

> Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they biopsied

these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and usually lung mets

first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to us, they've already

metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment. CT's may/will show more

definition than radiographs of course, and ultrasound at least of abdomen for

other mets abnormalities. Also these are phenomenally painful neoplasias. For

general info, see www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like

formula and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis

formula (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality of

life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked regimen.

Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the tumor.!

>

> Good l.uck...

>

> Robin Valentine

>

April 13, 2010

Don,

It appears that cancer (w/tumors) needs both simplified sugar and protein. I

mentioned macrobiotics, as it has had some successes with " healing " cancer.

They suggest a low protein, no animal source protein, as well as complex

carbohydrates. These digest more slowly and allow the nutrients to be used by

the patient and not for cancer growth. IMO, the best way to kill it is to

starve it, and leave the healthy cells alone.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Traditional Medicine

don83407

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:05:07 -0500

RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

Cancer cells no longer use oxidation to create energy, they undergo gycolosis.

In other words, cancer loves sugars and cancer is anaerobic. That is why

laetril is anti-cancer. Glycolosis releases cyanide into the cancer which kills

it. Health cells burn oxygen that won't allow the cyanide to hydolize.

Therefore, the cyanide doesn't affect a healthy cell. You want to kill cancer,

not just make it unwelcome. However, you don't want to interfere with normal

cells.

For some of the best treatments for cancer: human or animal, buy a book called

" Cancer; Step Outside the Box " written by Tye Bollinger. It is wonderful and

will tell you the treatment for the stage of cancer. I have various cancer

patients I treated 6 or 7 years ago that are still cancer free. Some had bone

cancer, metastatic prostate cancer, and lung cancer. Since it is illegal for

anyone but an MD to treat cancer, I treat the symptoms. If the cancer happens

to go away, that's fine. I also never charge a cancer patient. However, if I

am treating pain only, I do charge.

Hope this helps,

Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

Hope it helps

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> naturaldoc1

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:54:45 +0000

> RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

> Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

animal).

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> Chinese Medicine

> RCVVMD

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

> Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

> Hi there....

>

> Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they biopsied

these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and usually lung mets

first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to us, they've already

metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment. CT's may/will show more

definition than radiographs of course, and ultrasound at least of abdomen for

other mets abnormalities. Also these are phenomenally painful neoplasias. For

general info, see www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like

formula and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis

formula (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality of

life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked regimen.

Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the tumor.!

>

> Good l.uck...

>

> Robin Valentine

>

April 13, 2010

So, I've heard differing views from separate oncologists....

One says don't eat any liver (for a human patient)

Another says eat as much liver as you can (for a dog patient)

What are your views on eating liver for bone cancer?

What about for other cancers?

K

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote:

>

> Don,

>

> It appears that cancer (w/tumors) needs both simplified sugar and protein.

> I mentioned macrobiotics, as it has had some successes with " healing "

> cancer. They suggest a low protein, no animal source protein, as well as

> complex carbohydrates. These digest more slowly and allow the nutrients to

> be used by the patient and not for cancer growth. IMO, the best way to kill

> it is to starve it, and leave the healthy cells alone.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> don83407

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:05:07 -0500

> RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

Cancer cells no longer use oxidation to create energy, they undergo

> gycolosis. In other words, cancer loves sugars and cancer is anaerobic.

> That is why laetril is anti-cancer. Glycolosis releases cyanide into the

> cancer which kills it. Health cells burn oxygen that won't allow the

> cyanide to hydolize. Therefore, the cyanide doesn't affect a healthy cell.

> You want to kill cancer, not just make it unwelcome. However, you don't

> want to interfere with normal cells.

>

> For some of the best treatments for cancer: human or animal, buy a book

> called " Cancer; Step Outside the Box " written by Tye Bollinger. It is

> wonderful and will tell you the treatment for the stage of cancer. I have

> various cancer patients I treated 6 or 7 years ago that are still cancer

> free. Some had bone cancer, metastatic prostate cancer, and lung cancer.

> Since it is illegal for anyone but an MD to treat cancer, I treat the

> symptoms. If the cancer happens to go away, that's fine. I also never

> charge a cancer patient. However, if I am treating pain only, I do charge.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

>

> Hope it helps

>

> > Chinese Traditional Medicine

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> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to

> us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.

> CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

> ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are

> phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis formula

> (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

> course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

> support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality of

> life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

> regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

> tumor.!

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April 13, 2010

K,

I have a couple of concerns with the cancer issue:

1) It appears that the cancer is growing (gaining strength) as the patient is

losing vitality. A meal of organ meats would also tonify the pathogen and do

little for the patient. The strategies that appear to do the best are

supplementing of nutrients (vitamins, minerals, enzymes) while keeping protein

low and avoiding animal protein altogether, at least while things are active.

Kiyoshi Kato, George Ohsawa and Max Gerson have helped a lot of people with

nutrition.

2) And we cannot treat cancer. We must be very careful when working with

patients with cancer. I can see a large issue if the patient is only looking at

you for help. In that case, I would have to pass.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

johnkokko

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:52:39 -0700

Re: Re:herbs for bone cancer

So, I've heard differing views from separate oncologists....

One says don't eat any liver (for a human patient)

Another says eat as much liver as you can (for a dog patient)

What are your views on eating liver for bone cancer?

What about for other cancers?

K

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote:

>

> Don,

>

> It appears that cancer (w/tumors) needs both simplified sugar and protein.

> I mentioned macrobiotics, as it has had some successes with " healing "

> cancer. They suggest a low protein, no animal source protein, as well as

> complex carbohydrates. These digest more slowly and allow the nutrients to

> be used by the patient and not for cancer growth. IMO, the best way to kill

> it is to starve it, and leave the healthy cells alone.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> don83407

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:05:07 -0500

> RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

> Cancer cells no longer use oxidation to create energy, they undergo