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In a message dated 1/5/2004 8:28:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

alonmarcus writes:

Working hard, or overwork can damage the qi, blood, yin, yang, jing,

fluids, etc. It would be considered reasonable to show sign of

illness if the normal physiology is damaged. Furthermore, along with

vacation or rest comes a change in schedules - eating, sleeping, etc.

Irregularities (a change from the norm for that person) of diet or

sleep can lead to illness as well.

>>>>>But why so many people do not get sick until they decompress and rest?

Alon

 

>>>>>>>I bet it has to do with the shift from a more yang to a more yin state

and the slow down of the immune system, along with fewer hormones, lower

blood pressure and weaker digestion.

I know some of this sounds counter to what we might expect, but from my

perspective, a heightened yang state, like how some people get when they are

hyped from work, puts the body into a hyper devouring state in which the body

tends to rip apart most anything that gets thrown at it. Bacteria, parasites,

viruses, food, ect.ect, until the person gets depleted. At that point, they

still have pumped steroids, and an aggressive immune system.

When the person goes from aggressive work hype, to slow down, almost

immediately the immune aggression goes away, circulation slows, stagnation sets

in, the yang circulation patterns, which stabilizes the exterior vanishes,

opening the orifices to invasion.

 

A few thoughts for the day,

Chris

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am wandering how people explain the phenomenon that many people get sick as

soon as they go on vacation or rest after working hard. In WM we know that the

immune system responses to aggression with increased activity and therefore

often stronger immunity. However, Zheng Qi should actually improve with rest and

suffer with overwork and " aggressin. What do people make of that one?

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " ALON MARCUS "

<alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> I am wandering how people explain the phenomenon that many people

get sick as soon as they go on vacation or rest after working hard. In

WM we

 

Working hard, or overwork can damage the qi, blood, yin, yang, jing,

fluids, etc. It would be considered reasonable to show sign of

illness if the normal physiology is damaged. Furthermore, along with

vacation or rest comes a change in schedules - eating, sleeping, etc.

Irregularities (a change from the norm for that person) of diet or

sleep can lead to illness as well.

 

Brian C. Allen

[Guest guest]

Working hard, or overwork can damage the qi, blood, yin, yang, jing,

fluids, etc. It would be considered reasonable to show sign of

illness if the normal physiology is damaged. Furthermore, along with

vacation or rest comes a change in schedules - eating, sleeping, etc.

Irregularities (a change from the norm for that person) of diet or

sleep can lead to illness as well.

>>>>>But why so many people do not get sick until they decompress and rest?

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have been wondering about this too, Alon. Perhaps we accumulate heat in our

busy-ness that gets dispersed a bit by all the activity, but when we stop, the

heat is no longer being dispersed or circulated, and it accumulates,

stagnates... and we get sick. What do you think?

 

Andrea Beth

 

ALON MARCUS <alonmarcus wrote:

I am wandering how people explain the phenomenon that many people get sick as

soon as they go on vacation or rest after working hard. In WM we know that the

immune system responses to aggression with increased activity and therefore

often stronger immunity. However, Zheng Qi should actually improve with rest and

suffer with overwork and " aggressin. What do people make of that one?

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have been wondering about this too, Alon. Perhaps we accumulate heat in our

busy-ness that gets dispersed a bit by all the activity, but when we stop, the

heat is no longer being dispersed or circulated, and it accumulates,

stagnates... and we get sick. What do you think?

>>>Interesting speculation. The only thing i can think of is that studies have

shown that aggressive people have higher activity of killer cells and other

immune functions. Possibly working hard or type A behavior is the reason. When

we let go our guard so does our immune system

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alon, Andrea:

 

During my Type-A days in an earlier newspaper career I

would wait until I had days off before " allowing " my

body to get sick. As if I made a conscious effort to

save up my illness until I could afford the time to be

sick.

 

Soon after the newspaper went out of business, I fell

sick for 3 weeks, bedridden with a mysterious illness.

Something of a compensation for years without proper

sick leave.

 

Jack

 

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> I have been wondering about this too, Alon. Perhaps

> we accumulate heat in our busy-ness that gets

> dispersed a bit by all the activity, but when we

> stop, the heat is no longer being dispersed or

> circulated, and it accumulates, stagnates... and we

> get sick. What do you think?

>

> Andrea Beth

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> ALON MARCUS <alonmarcus wrote:

> I am wandering how people explain the phenomenon

> that many people get sick as soon as they go on

> vacation or rest after working hard. In WM we know

> that the immune system responses to aggression with

> increased activity and therefore often stronger

> immunity. However, Zheng Qi should actually improve

> with rest and suffer with overwork and " aggressin.

> What do people make of that one?

> Alon

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[Guest guest]

Soon after the newspaper went out of business, I fell

sick for 3 weeks, bedridden with a mysterious illness.

Something of a compensation for years without proper

sick leave.

 

>>>Perhaps you should have picked up some aggressive martial art

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

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> wrote:

> I have been wondering about this too, Alon. Perhaps we accumulate heat in

our busy-ness that gets dispersed a bit by all the activity, but when we stop,

the heat is no longer being dispersed or circulated, and it accumulates,

stagnates... and we get sick. What do you think?

 

that would imply that one might get a cold for reasons other than vacuity.

 

todd

[Guest guest]

that would imply that one might get a cold for reasons other than vacuity.

 

>>>>Todd that was my original question

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

If someone wouldn't mind being so kind, I have searched back through the

very numerous posts on this, and I just can't find the original -- could

someone please give me the short scoop on this Butch's Oregano?

 

I've been reading this list for a few months, and learning an awful lot

-- thanks!

 

God bless,

Deb

 

 

kerley983 [kerley983]

About this flu and high temps. I am just going to say that I think

Butch

would say to smell the Oregano. If you could get to the Archives he has

written

a lot about it. I just know that I read everything he writes and I

would get

the Oregano out right now. In fact I allready do. He says to smell it,

it is

a hot oil, and should be mixed with the carrier oil so when he said to

do the

smelling, I went right for that. I do know that for years I have not

been

able to smell out of both nostrils at a time, and now I do. Praise Mr.

Oregano. sharon

[Guest guest]

> If someone wouldn't mind being so kind, I have searched back through the

> very numerous posts on this, and I just can't find the original -- could

> someone please give me the short scoop on this Butch's Oregano?

> I've been reading this list for a few months, and learning an awful lot

> -- thanks!

> God bless,

> Deb

 

DEB,

If you will go to the groups page at , and look in the files section,

you will find a folder with " Herb of the Week " information. In this file,

you will find information regarding Oregano. Some of Butch's information is

linked in there. Click the link, and it will take you to the messages that

I have linked so far regarding this fabu EO.

 

HTH,

Candy

 

 

 

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At 04:47 PM 3/9/2005, you wrote:

>I do have Lemon Myrtle and know that it will kill just about anything...I

>use it for my disinfectant. I was wondering if it would be safe to put 1

>drop in some honey and mix with warm water for a tea? I am desperate

>now....I have never felt so bad!!!

 

I've used lemon myrtle as described.

 

I'd also suggest some painrelieving goodies... ginger perhaps in carrier

oil for the aches and pains...

 

if you have ravensara...or melissa, I'd want to inhale them for antiviral

effects.

 

 

 

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I apologize if this remark is out of line, and

it certainly may be impossible to do especially

for Moms.

 

But is it possible that sometimes our bodies

just want a few days in bed?

Not more stuff, not even good wholistic stuff,

but just plain liquids and REST?

 

There should be Flu Doulas!

Hey....I smell a new profession...

 

Ien in the Kootenays

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[Guest guest]

Ien,

 

I have to agree with your viewpoint here. I know my body does it to

me at least once, if not twice, a yar....why? because I push myself to

the limit and don't take time to rest. So my body does it for me.....

I've learned the warning signs and just hie myself to bed with a nice

hot toddy and a good book....and of course the coverlet of cats! LOL

 

flu doulas....love that phrase....

 

Sandi

BlackKat Herbs

http://www.blackkatherbs.com

 

 

Ieneke van Houten wrote:

[Guest guest]

Hello ienvan,

 

In reference to your comment:

 

è There should be Flu Doulas! Hey....I smell a new

è profession...

 

Oooh, I want a flu doula!!

 

Keisha

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Have people been seeing what i come to call this stealth flu? It just don't go

away. Nothing serious but lingers forever? If yes what have you been doing?

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

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Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:37 AM

Re: biomedical TCM

 

 

if you change the number, in this case, 77 to something else you get a new

abstract. In

other words a random survey of Taiwan papers about TCM.

 

 

http://www.nricm.edu.tw/icom12/pdfpaper/O-77.pdf

 

This one is kind of interesting for us....

 

 

 

 

Research on the Steroidogenic Potency of Herbal Extracts

 

Jen-Hsou Lin1,2, Krishna Kaphle1, Jack N. Y. Yang2, Leang-Shin Wu1

 

1

Department of Animal Science, National Taiwan University, Taipei

2

China Institute of Technology, Taipei, Taiwan

 

Elderly populations, rate of geriatric diseases and intractable chronic

diseases are

rising internationally. Though several other factors are involved, frenetic

lifestyles and

deteriorated environment are linked with premature aging, which is associated

directly

with stress and imbalance of sexual hormones. To maintain the better health,

herbal

extracts have been rediscovered as better and safer alternatives to

conventional drugs,

and their global sales are rising steeply. Critics of herbal medicine and

seekers of

pharmacologically active compounds highlight the lack of scientific evidence

to

justify such a trend. As part of an ongoing scientific assessment of the

clinical efficacy

of ancient traditional medical knowledge, the aim of this work was to screen

>100

different herbal extracts for their steroidogenic potency. The herbs were

selected

mainly from Chinese herbal- and Ayurvedic-texts and other sources. The herbal

extracts were co-cultured with steroidogenic animal cells (Leydig cells,

luteal cells

and adrenal cells). Enzyme immunoassay and radioimmunoassay determined the

amounts of testosterone, progesterone, and corticosteroids secreted. The

potent herbs

were investigated further to determine the cellular signaling pathways

involved, and

the crude extract was fractionated to identify its potent active compound and

verify its

mechanism of action. This paper discussed the importance of this research,

which

identified many herbal extracts as having potentially useful clinical

applications. For

example, extracts from Tribulus terrestris, Gynostemma pentaphyllum, Piper

betle,

Epimedium macranthum, Astilbe rivularis, Zanthoxylum armatum, and many others,

stimulated testosterone production in Leydig cells in vitro. Extracts from

other herbs

inhibited or stimulated synthesis of different steroids. For example,

Gynostemma

pentaphyllum, Epimedium macroanthum, Artemisia argyi, Eclipta prostrata,

Trichosnthes kirilowii and Morus alba stimulated progesterone production from

bovine luteal cells. Polygonum mutiflorum, Rubus chingii, Trichosnthes

kirilowii

stimulated cortisol production from bovine adrenal cells. Many herbs also had

significant inhibitory effects such on different steroids such as Cassia tora,

Allium

sativa, Rubus chingii on progesterone, Dendrobium nobile, Cinnamomum osmoloeum

on cortisol hormone secretion. Because of these very positive results and

their

significance for future health care, we are seeking support to continue our

work in this

area and increase opportunities for collaborative research.

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board

approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free

discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes. And it comes with a cough that doesn¹t go away. I¹ve had the most

success with ren shen bai du san modified.

 

Cara

 

 

 

 

> Have people been seeing what i come to call this stealth flu? It just don't go

> away. Nothing serious but lingers forever? If yes what have you been doing?

>

>

>

>

> Oakland, CA 94609

>

>

> -

>

>

> Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:37 AM

> Re: biomedical TCM

>

>

> if you change the number, in this case, 77 to something else you get a new

> abstract. In

> other words a random survey of Taiwan papers about TCM.

>

>

> http://www.nricm.edu.tw/icom12/pdfpaper/O-77.pdf

>

> This one is kind of interesting for us....

>

>

>

>

> Research on the Steroidogenic Potency of Herbal Extracts

>

> Jen-Hsou Lin1,2, Krishna Kaphle1, Jack N. Y. Yang2, Leang-Shin Wu1

>

> 1

> Department of Animal Science, National Taiwan University, Taipei

> 2

> China Institute of Technology, Taipei, Taiwan

>

> Elderly populations, rate of geriatric diseases and intractable chronic

> diseases are

> rising internationally. Though several other factors are involved, frenetic

> lifestyles and

> deteriorated environment are linked with premature aging, which is

> associated directly

> with stress and imbalance of sexual hormones. To maintain the better health,

> herbal

> extracts have been rediscovered as better and safer alternatives to

> conventional drugs,

> and their global sales are rising steeply. Critics of herbal medicine and

> seekers of

> pharmacologically active compounds highlight the lack of scientific evidence

> to

> justify such a trend. As part of an ongoing scientific assessment of the

> clinical efficacy

> of ancient traditional medical knowledge, the aim of this work was to screen

> >100

> different herbal extracts for their steroidogenic potency. The herbs were

> selected

> mainly from Chinese herbal- and Ayurvedic-texts and other sources. The

> herbal

> extracts were co-cultured with steroidogenic animal cells (Leydig cells,

> luteal cells

> and adrenal cells). Enzyme immunoassay and radioimmunoassay determined the

> amounts of testosterone, progesterone, and corticosteroids secreted. The

> potent herbs

> were investigated further to determine the cellular signaling pathways

> involved, and

> the crude extract was fractionated to identify its potent active compound

> and verify its

> mechanism of action. This paper discussed the importance of this research,

> which

> identified many herbal extracts as having potentially useful clinical

> applications. For

> example, extracts from Tribulus terrestris, Gynostemma pentaphyllum, Piper

> betle,

> Epimedium macranthum, Astilbe rivularis, Zanthoxylum armatum, and many

> others,

> stimulated testosterone production in Leydig cells in vitro. Extracts from

> other herbs

> inhibited or stimulated synthesis of different steroids. For example,

> Gynostemma

> pentaphyllum, Epimedium macroanthum, Artemisia argyi, Eclipta prostrata,

> Trichosnthes kirilowii and Morus alba stimulated progesterone production

> from

> bovine luteal cells. Polygonum mutiflorum, Rubus chingii, Trichosnthes

> kirilowii

> stimulated cortisol production from bovine adrenal cells. Many herbs also

> had

> significant inhibitory effects such on different steroids such as Cassia

> tora, Allium

> sativa, Rubus chingii on progesterone, Dendrobium nobile, Cinnamomum

> osmoloeum

> on cortisol hormone secretion. Because of these very positive results and

> their

> significance for future health care, we are seeking support to continue our

> work in this

> area and increase opportunities for collaborative research.

>

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including

> board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free

> discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've used jing fang bai du san and modifications, interestingly

similar to ren shen bai du san.

 

 

On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Cara Frank wrote:

 

> Yes. And it comes with a cough that doesn’t go away. I’ve had the most

> success with ren shen bai du san modified.

>

> Cara

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Zev

I have also been mostly using variations of jing fang bai du but a fair

amount of patients just have this cough that would not give up. Most of them

develop a dry cough and i do not think its because of jing fang usage as i

have seen others that have not been treated and have the same cough.

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

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" " <zrosenbe

 

Friday, February 17, 2006 12:25 PM

Re: Flu

 

 

I've used jing fang bai du san and modifications, interestingly

similar to ren shen bai du san.

 

 

On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Cara Frank wrote:

 

> Yes. And it comes with a cough that doesn't go away. I've had the most

> success with ren shen bai du san modified.

>

> Cara

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I've also seen the followup cough, with loose phlegm in the chest. A

few scripts came up. . .zhi sou san in one case, a modification of

xiao chai hu tang in another, and huang lian wen dan tang in

another. Acupuncture on chest and back shu points helped a lot as well.

 

 

On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:59 PM, wrote:

 

> Zev

> I have also been mostly using variations of jing fang bai du but a

> fair

> amount of patients just have this cough that would not give up.

> Most of them

> develop a dry cough and i do not think its because of jing fang

> usage as i

> have seen others that have not been treated and have the same cough.

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Zev have been seeing dry coughs?

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

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Friday, February 17, 2006 1:20 PM

Re: Flu

 

 

I've also seen the followup cough, with loose phlegm in the chest. A

few scripts came up. . .zhi sou san in one case, a modification of

xiao chai hu tang in another, and huang lian wen dan tang in

another. Acupuncture on chest and back shu points helped a lot as well.

 

On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:59 PM, wrote:

 

> Zev

> I have also been mostly using variations of jing fang bai du but a

> fair

> amount of patients just have this cough that would not give up.

> Most of them

> develop a dry cough and i do not think its because of jing fang

> usage as i

> have seen others that have not been treated and have the same cough.

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Not as much as you!

 

Z'ev

On Feb 17, 2006, at 1:26 PM, wrote:

 

> Zev have been seeing dry coughs?

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I almost always feel that inside a dry cough is a wet cough that wants to

come up. My standard herbal response is bei mu gua lou san to moisten the

lungs and clear phlegm heat.

 

but with the flu this year, I found m self using mai men dong tang several

times.

 

Cara

 

 

 

 

> I've also seen the followup cough, with loose phlegm in the chest. A

> few scripts came up. . .zhi sou san in one case, a modification of

> xiao chai hu tang in another, and huang lian wen dan tang in

> another. Acupuncture on chest and back shu points helped a lot as well.

>

>

> On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:59 PM, wrote:

>

>> > Zev

>> > I have also been mostly using variations of jing fang bai du but a

>> > fair

>> > amount of patients just have this cough that would not give up.

>> > Most of them

>> > develop a dry cough and i do not think its because of jing fang

>> > usage as i

>> > have seen others that have not been treated and have the same cough.

>> >

>> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Patients of mine were getting recurrent flus that came back 2 or 3

times about a month ago. I started adding more tonic herbs such as

Ren Shen, Dang Shen, or Da Zao to their formulas (Gan Mao Ling, etc.)

after most of the big heat symptoms went away. I usually wait longer

before tonifying, but this particular flu seemed to respond better to

some mild tonification. I've also had a bit of success with

lingering flu by using a formula similar to Xiao Chai Hu Tang + San

Cha Ku, Mao Dong Qing, and/or Gang Mei Geng ( I like those woody

antivirals )

 

For post-flu dry cough I've been doing Zhu Ye Shi Gao Tang + Bai Bu

and a little Sheng Di.

 

-Danny

 

> Have people been seeing what i come to call this stealth flu? It

> just don't go away. Nothing serious but lingers forever? If yes

> what have you been doing?

>