Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

January 5, 2006

Hi Attilio,

May I ask for some clarification? Is there any particular preference for

needling, i.e., even, tonifying or draining? What about needle depth? I read

your article and seem to remember that the depth was quite shallow. Are these

also shallow insertion? Do you use any moxa in this protocol?

Thanks.

P.T. Ferrance, L.Ac.

-

Attilio D'Alberto

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 4:52 PM

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Hi Linda,

Sure, see below:

1. Zhongwan - Ren12

2. Xiawan - Ren 10

3. Qihai - Ren 6

4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

5. Daheng - SP15

6. Huaroumen - ST24

7. Wailing - ST26

The symmetrical points of Daheng, Huaroumen and Wailing should be used,

equalling 10 needles. This protocol can be used in all weight loss cases,

which reflects a 'cookbook' approach rather than the use of a pattern

analysis. This protocol is a slight variation of the core structure points

used in abdominal acupuncture (see www.attiliodalberto.com for the article

on abdominal acupuncture).

Points can be given everyday if necessary. The needles are inserted, left

for 25 mins with manipulation.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of linda

04 January 2006 21:36

Chinese Medicine

Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

I would love to learn your protocol. Could you post the 10 points please?

DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

January 5, 2006

Hi P.T.

Yes, abdominal acupuncture uses shallow needling, actually there are three

depths in abdominal acupuncture depending which level you want to work on.

But in this weight loss protocol, the needle depth is standard. It's only

the points which have a strong similarity to abdominal acupuncture. No moxa

is used, but TENS can be.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of P.T.

Ferrance

05 January 2006 22:14

Chinese Medicine

Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Hi Attilio,

May I ask for some clarification? Is there any particular preference for

needling, i.e., even, tonifying or draining? What about needle depth? I

read your article and seem to remember that the depth was quite shallow.

Are these also shallow insertion? Do you use any moxa in this protocol?

Thanks.

P.T. Ferrance, L.Ac.

-

Attilio D'Alberto

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 4:52 PM

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Hi Linda,

Sure, see below:

1. Zhongwan - Ren12

2. Xiawan - Ren 10

3. Qihai - Ren 6

4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

5. Daheng - SP15

6. Huaroumen - ST24

7. Wailing - ST26

The symmetrical points of Daheng, Huaroumen and Wailing should be used,

equalling 10 needles. This protocol can be used in all weight loss cases,

which reflects a 'cookbook' approach rather than the use of a pattern

analysis. This protocol is a slight variation of the core structure points

used in abdominal acupuncture (see www.attiliodalberto.com for the article

on abdominal acupuncture).

Points can be given everyday if necessary. The needles are inserted, left

for 25 mins with manipulation.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of linda

04 January 2006 21:36

Chinese Medicine

Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

I would love to learn your protocol. Could you post the 10 points please?

DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

January 6, 2006

Hi Attilio,

Thank you for the clarification. Is all the needling even or are we tonifying

or draining?

P.T. Ferrance, L.Ac.

-

Attilio D'Alberto

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:07 PM

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Hi P.T.

Yes, abdominal acupuncture uses shallow needling, actually there are three

depths in abdominal acupuncture depending which level you want to work on.

But in this weight loss protocol, the needle depth is standard. It's only

the points which have a strong similarity to abdominal acupuncture. No moxa

is used, but TENS can be.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of P.T.

Ferrance

05 January 2006 22:14

Chinese Medicine

Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Hi Attilio,

May I ask for some clarification? Is there any particular preference for

needling, i.e., even, tonifying or draining? What about needle depth? I

read your article and seem to remember that the depth was quite shallow.

Are these also shallow insertion? Do you use any moxa in this protocol?

Thanks.

P.T. Ferrance, L.Ac.

-

Attilio D'Alberto

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 4:52 PM

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Hi Linda,

Sure, see below:

1. Zhongwan - Ren12

2. Xiawan - Ren 10

3. Qihai - Ren 6

4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

5. Daheng - SP15

6. Huaroumen - ST24

7. Wailing - ST26

The symmetrical points of Daheng, Huaroumen and Wailing should be used,

equalling 10 needles. This protocol can be used in all weight loss cases,

which reflects a 'cookbook' approach rather than the use of a pattern

analysis. This protocol is a slight variation of the core structure points

used in abdominal acupuncture (see www.attiliodalberto.com for the article

on abdominal acupuncture).

Points can be given everyday if necessary. The needles are inserted, left

for 25 mins with manipulation.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of linda

04 January 2006 21:36

Chinese Medicine

Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

I would love to learn your protocol. Could you post the 10 points please?

DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

January 6, 2006

Hi Attilio,

Nice formula, but does it really work? My opinion is 1 needle (safety

pin)threaded from Du26 to the other lip and sealed probably does more.

But seriously, has anyone used this protocol successfully and have it work?

What were your results?

Personally, I think if they are willing to take in less food, exercise more,

stress less, have emotional support, it's better than this protocol.

Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

chusauli

See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

> " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto

>Chinese Medicine

><Chinese Medicine >

>RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

>Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:15:00 -0000

>

>Hi Andrea,

>

>This is the protocol I observed in use at Zhong Ri hospital in Beijing.

>Most

>patients were having it either every day or every two days.

>

>Here it is again. I think its still in the files section as well.

>

>1. Zhongwan - Ren12

>2. Xiawan - Ren 10

>3. Qihai - Ren 6

>4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

>5. Daheng - SP15

>6. Huaroumen - ST24

>7. Wailing - ST26

>

>Points to be used in all weight loss cases, which reflects a 'cookbook'

>approach rather than the use of a pattern analysis.

>

>The needles are inserted, manipulated and left for 25 mins. Those on the

>larger size are given a 10 mins on the super size TENS machine.

>

>Warm regards,

>

>Attilio D'Alberto

>Doctor of (Beijing, China)

>B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

>Company Director

>The Earth Health Clinic

>0208 367 8378

>enquiries

> <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

>

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea

>Beth Damsky

>05 January 2006 15:58

>Chinese Medicine

>Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

>

>Attilio,

>

> Would you kindly share this protocol with the list again? I have

>patients

>asking me for this sort of treatment regularly.

>

> Thank you,

>

> <attiliodalberto wrote:

> Hi all,

>

>Some members will remember around a year and a half ago, I posted to

>the group the 7 acupoint (10 needles) weight loss protocol. A few

>members used it and reported back with positive results.

>

>I'm thinking of writing this weight loss protocol up into an article

>and would appreciate if any members could share their case studies

>with me that used this protocol.

>

>Please contact me off list at attiliodalberto

>

>Kind regards

>

>Attilio

>

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January 6, 2006

Thank you for the clarification, Attilio. I will be happy to share any results

with you.

Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto wrote:

Hi Andrea,

This is the protocol I observed in use at Zhong Ri hospital in Beijing. Most

patients were having it either every day or every two days.

Here it is again. I think its still in the files section as well.

1. Zhongwan - Ren12

2. Xiawan - Ren 10

3. Qihai - Ren 6

4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

5. Daheng - SP15

6. Huaroumen - ST24

7. Wailing - ST26

Points to be used in all weight loss cases, which reflects a 'cookbook'

approach rather than the use of a pattern analysis.

The needles are inserted, manipulated and left for 25 mins. Those on the

larger size are given a 10 mins on the super size TENS machine.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea

Beth Damsky

05 January 2006 15:58

Chinese Medicine

Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Attilio,

Would you kindly share this protocol with the list again? I have patients

asking me for this sort of treatment regularly.

Thank you,

<attiliodalberto wrote:

Hi all,

Some members will remember around a year and a half ago, I posted to

the group the 7 acupoint (10 needles) weight loss protocol. A few

members used it and reported back with positive results.

I'm thinking of writing this weight loss protocol up into an article

and would appreciate if any members could share their case studies

with me that used this protocol.

Please contact me off list at attiliodalberto

Kind regards

Attilio

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Robert and Attilio,

What a truly horrifying suggestion! I find this response not only

insensitive, but cruel as well. Indeed, some techniques work better for some

than others... but this post is a total turn-off with regards to the level of

compassion and professionalism I expect of my peers. Add to this the recent

slew of " Happy New Year " posts for and against religious expression of good

will, and I have to wonder what is going on with this list and its members.

This last one takes the cake, though...

Robert Chu <chusauli wrote:

Hi Attilio,

Nice formula, but does it really work? My opinion is 1 needle (safety

pin)threaded from Du26 to the other lip and sealed probably does more.

But seriously, has anyone used this protocol successfully and have it work?

What were your results?

Personally, I think if they are willing to take in less food, exercise more,

stress less, have emotional support, it's better than this protocol.

Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

chusauli

See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

> " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto

>Chinese Medicine

><Chinese Medicine >

>RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

>Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:15:00 -0000

>

>Hi Andrea,

>

>This is the protocol I observed in use at Zhong Ri hospital in Beijing.

>Most

>patients were having it either every day or every two days.

>

>Here it is again. I think its still in the files section as well.

>

>1. Zhongwan - Ren12

>2. Xiawan - Ren 10

>3. Qihai - Ren 6

>4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

>5. Daheng - SP15

>6. Huaroumen - ST24

>7. Wailing - ST26

>

>Points to be used in all weight loss cases, which reflects a 'cookbook'

>approach rather than the use of a pattern analysis.

>

>The needles are inserted, manipulated and left for 25 mins. Those on the

>larger size are given a 10 mins on the super size TENS machine.

>

>Warm regards,

>

>Attilio D'Alberto

>Doctor of (Beijing, China)

>B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

>Company Director

>The Earth Health Clinic

>0208 367 8378

>enquiries

> <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

>

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea

>Beth Damsky

>05 January 2006 15:58

>Chinese Medicine

>Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

>

>Attilio,

>

> Would you kindly share this protocol with the list again? I have

>patients

>asking me for this sort of treatment regularly.

>

> Thank you,

>

> <attiliodalberto wrote:

> Hi all,

>

>Some members will remember around a year and a half ago, I posted to

>the group the 7 acupoint (10 needles) weight loss protocol. A few

>members used it and reported back with positive results.

>

>I'm thinking of writing this weight loss protocol up into an article

>and would appreciate if any members could share their case studies

>with me that used this protocol.

>

>Please contact me off list at attiliodalberto

>

>Kind regards

>

>Attilio

>

>Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click,

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January 6, 2006

Andrea,

My apologies if you are offended. I only meant it tongue in cheek. It's an

oft repeated joke when people ask me, then we usually discuss diet and

lifestyle changes.

Perhaps it is the end of the winter with Li Chun coming soon that is causing

all of this. We are in the jie qi of Dong Zhi and yang energy low, and yin

exhuberant. Perhaps needling the K points K3 and 10 will tonify everyone's

spirit.

Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

chusauli

See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

> <

>Chinese Medicine

>RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

>Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:37:51 -0800 (PST)

>

>Robert and Attilio,

>

> What a truly horrifying suggestion! I find this response not only

>insensitive, but cruel as well. Indeed, some techniques work better for

>some than others... but this post is a total turn-off with regards to the

>level of compassion and professionalism I expect of my peers. Add to this

>the recent slew of " Happy New Year " posts for and against religious

>expression of good will, and I have to wonder what is going on with this

>list and its members. This last one takes the cake, though...

>

> Robert Chu <chusauli wrote:

> Hi Attilio,

>

>Nice formula, but does it really work? My opinion is 1 needle (safety

>pin)threaded from Du26 to the other lip and sealed probably does more.

>

>But seriously, has anyone used this protocol successfully and have it work?

>What were your results?

>

>Personally, I think if they are willing to take in less food, exercise

>more,

>stress less, have emotional support, it's better than this protocol.

>

>Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

>chusauli

>

>See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

>

> > " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto

> >Chinese Medicine

> ><Chinese Medicine >

> >RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

> >Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:15:00 -0000

> >

> >Hi Andrea,

> >

> >This is the protocol I observed in use at Zhong Ri hospital in Beijing.

> >Most

> >patients were having it either every day or every two days.

> >

> >Here it is again. I think its still in the files section as well.

> >

> >1. Zhongwan - Ren12

> >2. Xiawan - Ren 10

> >3. Qihai - Ren 6

> >4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

> >5. Daheng - SP15

> >6. Huaroumen - ST24

> >7. Wailing - ST26

> >

> >Points to be used in all weight loss cases, which reflects a 'cookbook'

> >approach rather than the use of a pattern analysis.

> >

> >The needles are inserted, manipulated and left for 25 mins. Those on the

> >larger size are given a 10 mins on the super size TENS machine.

> >

> >Warm regards,

> >

> >Attilio D'Alberto

> >Doctor of (Beijing, China)

> >B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

> >Company Director

> >The Earth Health Clinic

> >0208 367 8378

> >enquiries

> > <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

> >

> >Chinese Medicine

> >Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea

> >Beth Damsky

> >05 January 2006 15:58

> >Chinese Medicine

> >Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

> >

> >Attilio,

> >

> > Would you kindly share this protocol with the list again? I have

> >patients

> >asking me for this sort of treatment regularly.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > <attiliodalberto wrote:

> > Hi all,

> >

> >Some members will remember around a year and a half ago, I posted to

> >the group the 7 acupoint (10 needles) weight loss protocol. A few

> >members used it and reported back with positive results.

> >

> >I'm thinking of writing this weight loss protocol up into an article

> >and would appreciate if any members could share their case studies

> >with me that used this protocol.

> >

> >Please contact me off list at attiliodalberto

> >

> >Kind regards

> >

> >Attilio

> >

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January 6, 2006

Robert - what about people who have done what you suggested and still

can't shift the weight? I now a handful of folks for which this is true.

Karen

Robert Chu wrote:

>Hi Attilio,

>

>Nice formula, but does it really work? My opinion is 1 needle (safety

>pin)threaded from Du26 to the other lip and sealed probably does more.

>

>But seriously, has anyone used this protocol successfully and have it work?

>What were your results?

>

>Personally, I think if they are willing to take in less food, exercise more,

>stress less, have emotional support, it's better than this protocol.

>

>Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

>chusauli

>

>See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

>

>> " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto

>>Chinese Medicine

>><Chinese Medicine >

>>RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

>>Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:15:00 -0000

>>

>>Hi Andrea,

>>

>>This is the protocol I observed in use at Zhong Ri hospital in Beijing.

>>Most

>>patients were having it either every day or every two days.

>>

>>Here it is again. I think its still in the files section as well.

>>

>>1. Zhongwan - Ren12

>>2. Xiawan - Ren 10

>>3. Qihai - Ren 6

>>4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

>>5. Daheng - SP15

>>6. Huaroumen - ST24

>>7. Wailing - ST26

>>

>>Points to be used in all weight loss cases, which reflects a 'cookbook'

>>approach rather than the use of a pattern analysis.

>>

>>The needles are inserted, manipulated and left for 25 mins. Those on the

>>larger size are given a 10 mins on the super size TENS machine.

>>

>>Warm regards,

>>

>>Attilio D'Alberto

>>Doctor of (Beijing, China)

>>B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

>>Company Director

>>The Earth Health Clinic

>>0208 367 8378

>>enquiries

>> <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

>>

>>Chinese Medicine

>>Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea

>>Beth Damsky

>>05 January 2006 15:58

>>Chinese Medicine

>>Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

>>

>>Attilio,

>>

>> Would you kindly share this protocol with the list again? I have

>>patients

>>asking me for this sort of treatment regularly.

>>

>> Thank you,

>>

>> <attiliodalberto wrote:

>> Hi all,

>>

>>Some members will remember around a year and a half ago, I posted to

>>the group the 7 acupoint (10 needles) weight loss protocol. A few

>>members used it and reported back with positive results.

>>

>>I'm thinking of writing this weight loss protocol up into an article

>>and would appreciate if any members could share their case studies

>>with me that used this protocol.

>>

>>Please contact me off list at attiliodalberto

>>

>>Kind regards

>>

>>Attilio

>>

>>Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click,

>>http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

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>>

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>>necessary.

>>

January 6, 2006

Folks,

The practice of Chinese medicine is always to examine the entire

condition of the patient, and then determine treatment protocols,

which can take, in the case of metabolic disorders, several months or

even years to alleviate. Treatment strategies can include

acupuncture/moxa, herbal medicine, diet, exercise, behavioral

modification, breathing exercises, saunas/steam baths, and other

modalities. If one method or technique is not working, we need to

try something else. It goes without saying, if we are rigorous in

diagnosis, our treatment methods will be much more successful.

The needle protocol Attilio presents is simple and basic, and is

apparently useful in Chinese clinics. However, I don't think it will

always be successful, and should in most cases be combined with other

modalities as well. In addition, I think this protocol would be

better if combined with distal points to encourage better flow

through the channels. We should never be lazy, and use all the tools

at our disposal to give our patients the best possible treatment.

On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:55 PM, karen wrote:

> Robert - what about people who have done what you suggested and still

> can't shift the weight? I now a handful of folks for which this is

> true.

>

> Karen

January 6, 2006

Li Dong Yuan suggested that many chronic diseases stem from the St and

Spleen and I suggest using the St and Spleen points. St 36, 40, 43, Sp 3,

6, 9 might be a good start.

And the reality is that in order to have weight loss, you must have more

calories expended than taken in. If people are getting fitter, you might

see an increase in muscle mass which would suggest weight increase, as

muscle weighs more than fat. If they see that their clothes fit looser,

it's a good sign.

We can discuss more, this is a good topic.

Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

chusauli

See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

>karen <tryfan

>Chinese Medicine

>Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 20:55:52 -0500

>

>Robert - what about people who have done what you suggested and still

>can't shift the weight? I now a handful of folks for which this is true.

>

>Karen

>

>Robert Chu wrote:

>

> >Hi Attilio,

> >

> >Nice formula, but does it really work? My opinion is 1 needle (safety

> >pin)threaded from Du26 to the other lip and sealed probably does more.

> >

> >But seriously, has anyone used this protocol successfully and have it

>work?

> >What were your results?

> >

> >Personally, I think if they are willing to take in less food, exercise

>more,

> >stress less, have emotional support, it's better than this protocol.

> >

> >Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

> >chusauli

> >

> >See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

> >

> >> " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto

> >>Chinese Medicine

> >><Chinese Medicine >

> >>RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

> >>Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:15:00 -0000

> >>

> >>Hi Andrea,

> >>

> >>This is the protocol I observed in use at Zhong Ri hospital in Beijing.

> >>Most

> >>patients were having it either every day or every two days.

> >>

> >>Here it is again. I think its still in the files section as well.

> >>

> >>1. Zhongwan - Ren12

> >>2. Xiawan - Ren 10

> >>3. Qihai - Ren 6

> >>4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

> >>5. Daheng - SP15

> >>6. Huaroumen - ST24

> >>7. Wailing - ST26

> >>

> >>Points to be used in all weight loss cases, which reflects a 'cookbook'

> >>approach rather than the use of a pattern analysis.

> >>

> >>The needles are inserted, manipulated and left for 25 mins. Those on the

> >>larger size are given a 10 mins on the super size TENS machine.

> >>

> >>Warm regards,

> >>

> >>Attilio D'Alberto

> >>Doctor of (Beijing, China)

> >>B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

> >>Company Director

> >>The Earth Health Clinic

> >>0208 367 8378

> >>enquiries

> >> <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

> >>

> >>Chinese Medicine

> >>Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of

>Andrea

> >>Beth Damsky

> >>05 January 2006 15:58

> >>Chinese Medicine

> >>Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

> >>

> >>Attilio,

> >>

> >> Would you kindly share this protocol with the list again? I have

> >>patients

> >>asking me for this sort of treatment regularly.

> >>

> >> Thank you,

> >>

> >> <attiliodalberto wrote:

> >> Hi all,

> >>

> >>Some members will remember around a year and a half ago, I posted to

> >>the group the 7 acupoint (10 needles) weight loss protocol. A few

> >>members used it and reported back with positive results.

> >>

> >>I'm thinking of writing this weight loss protocol up into an article

> >>and would appreciate if any members could share their case studies

> >>with me that used this protocol.

> >>

> >>Please contact me off list at attiliodalberto

> >>

> >>Kind regards

> >>

> >>Attilio

> >>

> >>Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click,

> >>http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

> >>

> >> and

>adjust

> >>accordingly.

> >>

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>group

> >>requires prior permission from the author.

> >>

> >>Please consider the environment and only print this message if

>absolutely

> >>necessary.

> >>

January 6, 2006

Karen,

Although Robert's message was tongue in cheek it is absolutely

scientifically proven that lowering calorie intake and increasing calorific

expenditure through increased exercise has always been proven effective at

producing weightloss. As far as I am aware no weightloss system has ever

been proven to work, unless more calories are burned and./or less calories

are consumed. This has to include the acupuncture protocol, which could

very well work for a variety of reasons (reducing appetite, increasing

motivation, reducing stress etc.) For example, when the Atkin's diet was

studied, it was proven to be effective but only for one reason, people who

reduce carbohydrate intake also reduce calorie intake. Of course there are

also health concerns about Atkin's high intake of fats. A friend of mind

Paul McKenna has written a great little book about weightloss called " I can

make you thin "

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0593050541/qid=1136515397/sr=8-1/ref=sr\

_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/202-4254526-8709410

Since nearly everyone knows that eating less and exercising more produces

weightloss, but they still can't get there, then there has to be another

factor at play and that is their mental roadblocks. I believe that you

would do your clients a huge favour by suggesting this book and the

techniques it contains alongside your treatment approach.

People who are eating less and exercising more and still not losing weight

are also generally doing something else.......telling fibs.

As a side note, I ask all of my clients about their appetite and nearly all

will jokingly say that " its too good " . That is apart from those that are

very overweight who will invariably say " its up and down " . There are a

variety of excuses given for being overweight but the main reason is because

they eat too much and/or do too little exercise.

Kind regards

Dermot

-

" karen " <tryfan

Friday, January 06, 2006 1:55 AM

Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

> Robert - what about people who have done what you suggested and still

> can't shift the weight? I now a handful of folks for which this is true.

>

> Karen

>

> Robert Chu wrote:

>

>>Hi Attilio,

>>

>>Nice formula, but does it really work? My opinion is 1 needle (safety

>>pin)threaded from Du26 to the other lip and sealed probably does more.

>>

>>But seriously, has anyone used this protocol successfully and have it

>>work?

>>What were your results?

>>

>>Personally, I think if they are willing to take in less food, exercise

>>more,

>>stress less, have emotional support, it's better than this protocol.

>>

>>Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

>>chusauli

>>

>>See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

>>

>>> " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto

>>>Chinese Medicine

>>><Chinese Medicine >

>>>RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

>>>Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:15:00 -0000

>>>

>>>Hi Andrea,

>>>

>>>This is the protocol I observed in use at Zhong Ri hospital in Beijing.

>>>Most

>>>patients were having it either every day or every two days.

>>>

>>>Here it is again. I think its still in the files section as well.

>>>

>>>1. Zhongwan - Ren12

>>>2. Xiawan - Ren 10

>>>3. Qihai - Ren 6

>>>4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

>>>5. Daheng - SP15

>>>6. Huaroumen - ST24

>>>7. Wailing - ST26

>>>

>>>Points to be used in all weight loss cases, which reflects a 'cookbook'

>>>approach rather than the use of a pattern analysis.

>>>

>>>The needles are inserted, manipulated and left for 25 mins. Those on the

>>>larger size are given a 10 mins on the super size TENS machine.

>>>

>>>Warm regards,

>>>

>>>Attilio D'Alberto

>>>Doctor of (Beijing, China)

>>>B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

>>>Company Director

>>>The Earth Health Clinic

>>>0208 367 8378

>>>enquiries

>>> <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

>>>

>>>Chinese Medicine

>>>Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea

>>>Beth Damsky

>>>05 January 2006 15:58

>>>Chinese Medicine

>>>Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

>>>

>>>Attilio,

>>>

>>> Would you kindly share this protocol with the list again? I have

>>>patients

>>>asking me for this sort of treatment regularly.

>>>

>>> Thank you,

>>>

>>> <attiliodalberto wrote:

>>> Hi all,

>>>

>>>Some members will remember around a year and a half ago, I posted to

>>>the group the 7 acupoint (10 needles) weight loss protocol. A few

>>>members used it and reported back with positive results.

>>>

>>>I'm thinking of writing this weight loss protocol up into an article

>>>and would appreciate if any members could share their case studies

>>>with me that used this protocol.

>>>

>>>Please contact me off list at attiliodalberto

>>>

>>>Kind regards

>>>

>>>Attilio

>>>

>>>Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click,

>>>http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

>>>

>>> and

>>>adjust

>>>accordingly.

>>>

>>>Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the

>>>group

>>>requires prior permission from the author.

>>>

>>>Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely

>>>necessary.

>>>

January 6, 2006

Dear Attilio,

Could you say which " herbal slimming pills " you use and what you like about

them?

Thank you.

Linda

-

Attilio D'Alberto<attiliodalberto

To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine\

@>

Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:21 PM

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Hi Andrea,

Not all patients are willing to come to the clinic on a daily basis, but it

possible then great.

Personally, I would give out the protocol for 10 sessions, with herbal

slimming capsules and monitor the effects of these as they can cause some

internal disruption to some patients. Of course, dietary and lifestyle

advise is also given. I also give people a fact sheet to take home and read,

which provides additional lifestyle information.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/>>

www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea

Beth Damsky

05 January 2006 16:12

Chinese Medicine

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Attilio,

How long would you continue this treatment on a daily basis. Do you

define a certain number of treatments as a " course " , take a break, and then

repeat? Or do you continue until the desired weight has been shed?

Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto wrote:

Hi Linda,

Sure, see below:

1. Zhongwan - Ren12

2. Xiawan - Ren 10

3. Qihai - Ren 6

4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

5. Daheng - SP15

6. Huaroumen - ST24

7. Wailing - ST26

The symmetrical points of Daheng, Huaroumen and Wailing should be used,

equalling 10 needles. This protocol can be used in all weight loss cases,

which reflects a 'cookbook' approach rather than the use of a pattern

analysis. This protocol is a slight variation of the core structure points

used in abdominal acupuncture (see www.attiliodalberto.com for the article

on abdominal acupuncture).

Points can be given everyday if necessary. The needles are inserted, left

for 25 mins with manipulation.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/>>

www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of linda

04 January 2006 21:36

Chinese Medicine

Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

I would love to learn your protocol. Could you post the 10 points please?

DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

January 6, 2006

Dear Attilio,

Do you use the weight loss tea you sell on your web site?

Thanks,

Maria Kuriloff

_____

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Linda

Gruber

Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:36 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Dear Attilio,

Could you say which " herbal slimming pills " you use and what you like about

them?

Thank you.

Linda

-

Attilio D'Alberto<attiliodalberto

To:

Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medi

cine >

Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:21 PM

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Hi Andrea,

Not all patients are willing to come to the clinic on a daily basis, but

it

possible then great.

Personally, I would give out the protocol for 10 sessions, with herbal

slimming capsules and monitor the effects of these as they can cause some

internal disruption to some patients. Of course, dietary and lifestyle

advise is also given. I also give people a fact sheet to take home and

read,

which provides additional lifestyle information.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/>>

www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea

Beth Damsky

05 January 2006 16:12

Chinese Medicine

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Attilio,

How long would you continue this treatment on a daily basis. Do you

define a certain number of treatments as a " course " , take a break, and

then

repeat? Or do you continue until the desired weight has been shed?

Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto wrote:

Hi Linda,

Sure, see below:

1. Zhongwan - Ren12

2. Xiawan - Ren 10

3. Qihai - Ren 6

4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

5. Daheng - SP15

6. Huaroumen - ST24

7. Wailing - ST26

The symmetrical points of Daheng, Huaroumen and Wailing should be used,

equalling 10 needles. This protocol can be used in all weight loss cases,

which reflects a 'cookbook' approach rather than the use of a pattern

analysis. This protocol is a slight variation of the core structure points

used in abdominal acupuncture (see www.attiliodalberto.com for the article

on abdominal acupuncture).

Points can be given everyday if necessary. The needles are inserted, left

for 25 mins with manipulation.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/>>

www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of linda

04 January 2006 21:36

Chinese Medicine

Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

I would love to learn your protocol. Could you post the 10 points please?

DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

January 6, 2006

Robert,

Well, it was the protocol used in China where I first observed it and as you

have to pay for everything in China, success is paramount. So yes, I say it

does work. If you remember a few members used it when I first described it

last year with great success.

It would be good to test the protocol in a research study as the auricular

acupuncture that often used doesn't always work.

As for your comments about not using Chinese medicine to loose weight. Do

you really know how weight gain occurs. Don't you think we need to rebalance

the Spleen and Stomach? Or should be just pat people on the back for most

disorders?

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Robert

Chu

06 January 2006 01:12

Chinese Medicine

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Hi Attilio,

Nice formula, but does it really work? My opinion is 1 needle (safety

pin)threaded from Du26 to the other lip and sealed probably does more.

But seriously, has anyone used this protocol successfully and have it work?

What were your results?

Personally, I think if they are willing to take in less food, exercise more,

stress less, have emotional support, it's better than this protocol.

Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

chusauli

See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

> " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto

>Chinese Medicine

><Chinese Medicine >

>RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

>Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:15:00 -0000

>

>Hi Andrea,

>

>This is the protocol I observed in use at Zhong Ri hospital in Beijing.

>Most

>patients were having it either every day or every two days.

>

>Here it is again. I think its still in the files section as well.

>

>1. Zhongwan - Ren12

>2. Xiawan - Ren 10

>3. Qihai - Ren 6

>4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

>5. Daheng - SP15

>6. Huaroumen - ST24

>7. Wailing - ST26

>

>Points to be used in all weight loss cases, which reflects a 'cookbook'

>approach rather than the use of a pattern analysis.

>

>The needles are inserted, manipulated and left for 25 mins. Those on the

>larger size are given a 10 mins on the super size TENS machine.

>

>Warm regards,

>

>Attilio D'Alberto

>Doctor of (Beijing, China)

>B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

>Company Director

>The Earth Health Clinic

>0208 367 8378

>enquiries

> <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

>

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea

>Beth Damsky

>05 January 2006 15:58

>Chinese Medicine

>Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

>

>Attilio,

>

> Would you kindly share this protocol with the list again? I have

>patients

>asking me for this sort of treatment regularly.

>

> Thank you,

>

> <attiliodalberto wrote:

> Hi all,

>

>Some members will remember around a year and a half ago, I posted to

>the group the 7 acupoint (10 needles) weight loss protocol. A few

>members used it and reported back with positive results.

>

>I'm thinking of writing this weight loss protocol up into an article

>and would appreciate if any members could share their case studies

>with me that used this protocol.

>

>Please contact me off list at attiliodalberto

>

>Kind regards

>

>Attilio

>

>Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click,

>http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

>

> and adjust

>accordingly.

>

>Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group

>requires prior permission from the author.

>

>Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely

>necessary.

>

January 6, 2006

Hi Maria,

Yes, you can use the Feiyan tea or slimming capsules.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Ron &

Maria Kuriloff

06 January 2006 04:11

Chinese Medicine

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Dear Attilio,

Do you use the weight loss tea you sell on your web site?

Thanks,

Maria Kuriloff

_____

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Linda

Gruber

Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:36 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Dear Attilio,

Could you say which " herbal slimming pills " you use and what you like about

them?

Thank you.

Linda

-

Attilio D'Alberto<attiliodalberto

To:

Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medi

cine >

Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:21 PM

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Hi Andrea,

Not all patients are willing to come to the clinic on a daily basis, but

it

possible then great.

Personally, I would give out the protocol for 10 sessions, with herbal

slimming capsules and monitor the effects of these as they can cause some

internal disruption to some patients. Of course, dietary and lifestyle

advise is also given. I also give people a fact sheet to take home and

read,

which provides additional lifestyle information.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/>>

www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea

Beth Damsky

05 January 2006 16:12

Chinese Medicine

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Attilio,

How long would you continue this treatment on a daily basis. Do you

define a certain number of treatments as a " course " , take a break, and

then

repeat? Or do you continue until the desired weight has been shed?

Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto wrote:

Hi Linda,

Sure, see below:

1. Zhongwan - Ren12

2. Xiawan - Ren 10

3. Qihai - Ren 6

4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

5. Daheng - SP15

6. Huaroumen - ST24

7. Wailing - ST26

The symmetrical points of Daheng, Huaroumen and Wailing should be used,

equalling 10 needles. This protocol can be used in all weight loss cases,

which reflects a 'cookbook' approach rather than the use of a pattern

analysis. This protocol is a slight variation of the core structure points

used in abdominal acupuncture (see www.attiliodalberto.com for the article

on abdominal acupuncture).

Points can be given everyday if necessary. The needles are inserted, left

for 25 mins with manipulation.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/>>

www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of linda

04 January 2006 21:36

Chinese Medicine

Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

I would love to learn your protocol. Could you post the 10 points please?

DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

January 6, 2006

Hi Linda,

The most popular slimming capsules are the Shou Fu Jiang Zhi (Abdomen Fat

Loss) capsules. They help to regulate bowel movements and purge the body.

This doesn't mean they are good for everyone. You need to keep on eye on how

this is affecting the patient as they are an off the shelf patent.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Linda

Gruber

06 January 2006 03:36

Chinese Medicine

Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Dear Attilio,

Could you say which " herbal slimming pills " you use and what you like about

them?

Thank you.

Linda

-

Attilio D'Alberto<attiliodalberto

To:

Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medi

cine >

Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:21 PM

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Hi Andrea,

Not all patients are willing to come to the clinic on a daily basis, but

it

possible then great.

Personally, I would give out the protocol for 10 sessions, with herbal

slimming capsules and monitor the effects of these as they can cause some

internal disruption to some patients. Of course, dietary and lifestyle

advise is also given. I also give people a fact sheet to take home and

read,

which provides additional lifestyle information.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/>>

www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea

Beth Damsky

05 January 2006 16:12

Chinese Medicine

RE: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

Attilio,

How long would you continue this treatment on a daily basis. Do you

define a certain number of treatments as a " course " , take a break, and

then

repeat? Or do you continue until the desired weight has been shed?

Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto wrote:

Hi Linda,

Sure, see below:

1. Zhongwan - Ren12

2. Xiawan - Ren 10

3. Qihai - Ren 6

4. Guanyuan - Ren 4

5. Daheng - SP15

6. Huaroumen - ST24

7. Wailing - ST26

The symmetrical points of Daheng, Huaroumen and Wailing should be used,

equalling 10 needles. This protocol can be used in all weight loss cases,

which reflects a 'cookbook' approach rather than the use of a pattern

analysis. This protocol is a slight variation of the core structure points

used in abdominal acupuncture (see www.attiliodalberto.com for the article

on abdominal acupuncture).

Points can be given everyday if necessary. The needles are inserted, left

for 25 mins with manipulation.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/>>

www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of linda

04 January 2006 21:36

Chinese Medicine

Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol

I would love to learn your protocol. Could you post the 10 points please?

DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

January 6, 2006

Hi Dermot,

This is true and the advice given by the W.H.O. but as a TCM practitioner

you should be looking at the Spleen and Stomach imbalance within an

overweight patient. This is one important reason why they are overweight and

should be corrected. Of course other methods should be used, including

dietary advice, lifestyle advice, acupuncture and herbal medicine. I'm

writing a column for a health mag on this very topic. Once its done I'll

share it with the group.

Warm regards,

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Dermot

O'Connor

06 January 2006 02:55