Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2005 Hi Janet, Corydalis Ct. -- that's cool. Richard Tan(his book is Twelve and Twelve in Acupuncture) likes to use mu guan and gu guan - located just distal to the wrist on hand contralateral to the painful foot. They are just distal to wrist crease, the former 0.5 cun distal to prominence of pisiform bone(Ah shi location is appropriate) and the other is in the depression about 0.5 cun distal to the prominence of the scaphoid bone. He uses them for " bone swelling " , heel pain and/or spur(as well as swollen joints and RA throughout the body). In the book he gives a case report of a woman with painful multi-spiked heel spur, whom he treated with these points successfully. " Progress was steady and after 13 treatments, the pain was virtually gone. Two more consolidating treatments were performed. Patient reported no recurrence of the problem for a follow-up period of six months. She returned to the orthopedic surgeon, and x-rays then showed a reduction of excess calcium buildup, and only a slight rounded protuberance in the calcaneus. " Dr. Tan's books can be ordered. Moderately priced. I've found a lot of his points really do seem to work. They are derived, i believe, from Master Tong's Acupuncture(a book of that name by Miriam Lee was printed by Blue Poppy, but may be out of print.) Hope it heelps:-) ann Has anyone treated bone spurs on the calcaneus? This is a long-time Pt of mine who began having foot pain after walking (not during) and had an radiograph confirm that she has a bone spur off the plantar tendon. Any help with herbs or needling? Janet Yelowchan, LAc, LPC, LAC Medicine Buddha Clinic 1533 Corydalis Ct. Fort Collins, CO 80526 970.494.1120 www.bluebuddha.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 3, 2005 In a new book by Tom Bisio on TCM and sports medicine (specifically trauma medicine), he gives a formula for bone spurs. I have not tried it yet, but it might be of some use. Let me know if it works. 30g Shu di 30g Lu xian cao (hb pyrolae rotundifoliae) 30g gu sui bu 30g rou cong rong 30g ji xue teng 30g yin yang huo 30g lai fu zi -Steve >Has anyone treated bone spurs on the calcaneus? This is a long-time Pt of >mine who began having foot pain after walking (not during) and had an >radiograph confirm that she has a bone spur off the plantar tendon. > >Any help with herbs or needling? > > > >Janet Yelowchan, LAc, LPC, LAC > >Medicine Buddha Clinic > >1533 Corydalis Ct. > >Fort Collins, CO 80526 > >970.494.1120 > >www.bluebuddha.net > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Hi Janet, I have treated patients with plantar fasciitis who also has bonw spurs with acupuncture at KI-3, UB-60, and also directly into the heel at the tendon attachment, with excellent results. Pain was relieved after a few sessions, but the patients left and didn't return, so I don't know if the bone spurs disappeared. Good luck with this. " Janet Yelowchan, LAc, LPC, LAC " <janet wrote: Has anyone treated bone spurs on the calcaneus? This is a long-time Pt of mine who began having foot pain after walking (not during) and had an radiograph confirm that she has a bone spur off the plantar tendon. Any help with herbs or needling? Janet Yelowchan, LAc, LPC, LAC Medicine Buddha Clinic 1533 Corydalis Ct. Fort Collins, CO 80526 970.494.1120 www.bluebuddha.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 bonw spurs >>>>By the way bone spurs at the heel have nothing to do with pain. Heel pain is not more common in patients with bone spurs. The elimination of the bone spur should not be the goal when treating plantar fasciitis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 Alon, This is an interesting idea. Would you please elaborate? I have a heel pain pt right now. We'd been assuming it was plantar fasciitis, since the pain only came w/ prolonged standing/walking and couldn't be reproduced with palpation or pressure. She'd been getting a lot of relief from acupuncture. She then saw a podiatrist, got an x-ray, and was told she had a large bone spur and would need surgery. From what you're saying it seems like she may have both and the pain is from the p.f. not the spur. So surgery to remove the spur--which, thankfully, she isn't anxious to do--wouldn't help the pain. --Sarah Rivkin , " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > bonw spurs > >>>>By the way bone spurs at the heel have nothing to do with pain. Heel pain is not more common in patients with bone spurs. The elimination of the bone spur should not be the goal when treating plantar fasciitis. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 bone spur and would need surgery >>>The bone spur is just a sign of poor foot techniques resulting in tension on the ligament. if you look at the x-ray you will notice that the spur is horizontal to the ground. Its not like you are walking on a sharp bone. Any ligament undergoing abnormal stress develops calcification. Just like in the spine, bone spurs do not cause pain unless they result in compression of pain generating tissues Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2005 I see that there was a brief exchange about this is February, but I welcome more advice. How useful are orthotics, change of habits, exercise, acupuncture, and topical treatment? How can we get the most relief from the least treatment? Jonah , Jonah <jonah@e...> wrote: > If anyone with clinical experience treating old, stubborn, and painful bony > spurs at the calcaneum would share it I would be grateful. > > Thank you, > > Jonah > -- > Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f > > Sponsor: > I bambini fanno " Oh " , Gasolina, Angelo e tutte le migliori suonerie. > La prima suoneria è GRATIS! > Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=3540 & d=20050603 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2005 and painful bony spurs >>>>The pain is not from bone spur, its the plantar fascia Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2005 How useful are orthotics, change of habits, exercise, acupuncture, and topical treatment? How can we get the most relief from the least treatment? >>>:>If the cause is bio-mechanics orthotics are essential and 80% of the time or so resolve the pain. With other treatments the % can be increased Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2005 I have seen the reverse in a couple of situations where the orthodics no longer matched the patient. One woman that I worked with in a chiro clinic (I did tui na) had very bad alignment. When her knees were brought in contact her lower leg was at a 45 degree angle away from midline. I did some extreme stretching of the IT band along the outer GB channel and we brought her anles into contact. This was extreme and happened in one session while the chiro had her on orthodics and treatment for a long time with no results. She cried afterward, not because of the pain but of joy. She could now walk without the usage of her cane. I suggested that she discuss the issue of whether or not her current orthodics were further needed, as they were for a person with extreme bowing of the lower extremities, which she was no longer. Her chiro got upset and ended my participation in that clinic. Orthodics can cause the person's body to become lazy and codependent on them. So caution on constant reliance. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " " <alonmarcus > > >Re: Re: Bone spurs >Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:24:21 -0700 > >How useful are orthotics, change of habits, >exercise, acupuncture, and topical treatment? How can we get the most >relief from the least treatment? > >>>:>If the cause is bio-mechanics orthotics are essential and 80% of the >time or so resolve the pain. With other treatments the % can be increased > > > > >Oakland, CA 94609 > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2005 chiro had her on orthodics and treatment for a long time with no results. >>>>Mike not to devalue chiros, but there are very few that know how to do orthotics well. Also, there are very few DPMs that know orthotics well.And as always, these small number citations have very little meaning.I have treated many without orthotics as well. But if the cause is biomechanical in the majority of patients there is no resolution without them Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2005 Alon, By the same token, orthodics should not be relied upon long term or one becomes dependent upon them and the body does not develop strength as needed. They can be used as a part of care but not the entirety of care. Just curious who you think is the expert if not the DPM or DC as to usage of orthodics. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " " <alonmarcus > > >Re: Re: Bone spurs >Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:08:33 -0700 > >chiro had her on orthodics and treatment for a long time >with no results. > >>>>Mike not to devalue chiros, but there are very few that know how to do >orthotics well. Also, there are very few DPMs that know orthotics well.And >as always, these small number citations have very little meaning.I have >treated many without orthotics as well. But if the cause is biomechanical >in the majority of patients there is no resolution without them > > > > >Oakland, CA 94609 > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2005 Just curious who you think is the expert if not the DPM or DC as to usage of orthodics. >>>>>Most DPMs are more interested in surgery, but some of the best biomec guys are DPMs. I know of a few very good DCs as well. Its more about interest and training. Most DPMs and DC do not get good training in the use of orthotics and many even use foam to make casts. Some of the best i have seen are PTs.Knowing how to prescribe for gait patterns takes many hundreds of hours of training. Most do not put the time.Very few have gait labs. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2005 A salient symptom of plantar fasciitis is pain after prolonged sitting or when getting up in the morning. This is primarily due to breaking of adhesion which forms while the foot is at rest.. Personally, I think that acupuncture is not that effective for this condition. In my experience the best treatment protocol is to have the patient avoid being barefoot at all cost. While wearing shoes the pt should have heel inserts. Most often than not, patients are adviced by their DP to wear arch supports. This is not helpful. The idea is to elevate the heel and to avoid stretching the fascia while it heals. I've heard female pts say their feet often feel better after wearing high-heel shoes. The best treatment I've found so far for heel spur is the vinegar treatment with electrical stimulation. The patient puts the foot in question in a pan filled with vinegar (the black Chinese vinegar). At the bottom of the pan rests a lead plate. The foot is placed over the lead plate which is submerged in the pan filled with vinegar. The patient is sitting down. On top of the knee, another lead plate is placed with a paper towel soaked in salt water..Electrical stimulation, DC, is applied between the two plates with the negative alligator clip attached to the bottom lead plate and the positive to the top lead plate which rests on the paper towel soaked in salt water. As I write this, I wonder if a decotion of Wei Ling Xian added to the vinegar soak would be more effective.. Don't know. The treament is only done a couple of times. Three at most. It seems that more tx can injure the heel bone itself. As I understand it, the electrolytic solution, mainly the vinegar, penetrates the tissue through iontophoresis and gradually disolves the calcification on the fascia/bone attachement. I've done this procedure a few times with satisfactory results..As in most cases, I have not been able to follow up to see whether the condition recurred or the healing was permanent. I agree with Alon in that proper biomechanics is the solution to this condition and should be the focus during treatment. fernando ps. Don't forget to stick a needle or two somewhere in the leg so you get paid..) , " saydit " <saydit@e...> > We'd been assuming it was plantar fasciitis, since the pain only came w/ prolonged > standing/walking and couldn't be reproduced with palpation or pressure. She'd been > getting a lot of relief from acupuncture. She then saw a podiatrist, got an x-ray, and was > told she had a large bone spur and would need surgery. From what you're saying it seems > like she may have both and the pain is from the p.f. not the spur. So surgery to remove the > spur--which, thankfully, she isn't anxious to do--wouldn't help the pain. > > --Sarah Rivkin > > > , " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > > bonw spurs > > >>>>By the way bone spurs at the heel have nothing to do with pain. Heel pain is not > more common in patients with bone spurs. The elimination of the bone spur should not be > the goal when treating plantar fasciitis. > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2005 ps. Don't forget to stick a needle or two somewhere in the leg so you get paid..) >>>>I see you do that as well Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2005 Frenando A heel lift will only help one with a short heel cord, it can make it worse if one has sig subtalar pronation. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2006 I had a small spur on my forefinger main knuckle. My son told me to knock real hard on wood. Doc said he'd help by hitting it with a book. He got rid of one years ago when a chiropractor told him to just hit it with a book. I liked my son's idea the best so gave it a good whack against my wooden coffee table. It hurt for a minute or two but was completely gone instantly. The next morning the soreness was even gone. Vinegar does dissolve inorganic calcium from joints. That's why we put it in the Body Balance+ (formerly called Panther Piss. Valorie herbal remedies , " Trina " <laurel1614 wrote: > > I just wanted to say thanks. My mother used apple cider vinager-your > suggestion-to get rid of bone spurs. Worked like magic! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2006 I had a small spur on my forefinger main knuckle. My son told me to knock real hard on wood. Doc said he'd help by hitting it with a book. He got rid of one years ago when a chiropractor told him to just hit it with a book. I liked my son's idea the best so gave it a good whack against my wooden coffee table. It hurt for a minute or two but was completely gone instantly. The next morning the soreness was even gone. Vinegar does dissolve inorganic calcium from joints. That's why we put it in the Body Balance+ (formerly called Panther Piss. Valorie herbal remedies , " Trina " <laurel1614 wrote: > > I just wanted to say thanks. My mother used apple cider vinager-your > suggestion-to get rid of bone spurs. Worked like magic! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 25, 2006 Re vinegar in the Body Balance... What about someone who has candida issues and vinegar would feed the candida? Is there an alternative or is it still OK to use the Body Balance? Jan herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of valorieshillingtonThursday, August 24, 2006 2:19 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - Re: Bone Spurs I had a small spur on my forefinger main knuckle.My son told me to knock real hard on wood.Doc said he'd help by hitting it with a book.He got rid of one years ago when a chiropractor told him to just hit it with a book.I liked my son's idea the best so gave it a good whack against my wooden coffee table. It hurt for a minute or two but was completely gone instantly. The next morning the soreness was even gone.Vinegar does dissolve inorganic calcium from joints. That's why we put it in the Body Balance+ (formerly called Panther Piss.Valorieherbal remedies , "Trina" <laurel1614 wrote:>> I just wanted to say thanks. My mother used apple cider vinager-your> suggestion-to get rid of bone spurs. Worked like magic!> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2007 Hi Andrea Beth, I would refer you to a discussion we had in this group on heel spurs I believe around January. Good luck, Yehuda < wrote: Hi All, I am interested in topical treatments for bone spurs in the feet. In particular, the patient is a 50-year old female with a history of swelling of her feet in warm weather that she remembers since age 12. The bone spur is in the first metatarsophylangeal joint of the right foot (where the foot joint the big toe), and the joint is obviously enlarged and makes purchasing shoes that fit comfortably difficult. There is also pain in the joint after walking in shoes that don't have enough arch support. She has had flat feet since childhood. Lastly, related to the foot particularly, she remembers jamming this big toe into a wall while running barefoot once in her early 20's, and believes this is the cause of the bone spur. Constitutionally, she is overweight at 5'2 " and 165 pounds, with deficient spleen, kidney and lung qi, phlegm damp in the lungs and chronic phlegm heat in the sinuses. She also exhibits signs and symptoms of stagnant liver qi and blood - sore muscles that occasionally cramp (diagnosed with fibromyalgia many years ago), varicose veins, and emotional irritability with a dusky tongue that is puffy, with a medium-thickness, slightly dry and slightly yellow coat. She is currently experiencing irregular menses, approaching menopause. In recent years she has also exhibited kidney-liver yin deficiency, generating internal wind with ocular migraines and frequent headaches in summer and fall. She has a tendency to be cold or overheated (when running low-grade fevers) in the mornings and hot in the afternoons and evenings, but not always. Her pulse is slightly rapid, weak, small, and soft with kidney pulse very deficient. Her blood pressure has always been low, between 80/50 and 96/60 in the mornings, and up to 110/70 in the afternoons. She is more interested in topical applications for the bone spur than internal use of herbs. Any suggestions? I know John Chen has an herb formula which he claims will dissolve spurs (Flex Spur), but I am wondering if topical application of any herbs can also be effective? Thank you, Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2007 Yehuda this sounds very different than the heel spurs we discussed. Mechanically this pt must have their first ray controlled probably with addition of a reverse Morton's extension to allow the first MTP to flex. A firm shoe with a rocker bottom with help as well - yehuda frischman Chinese Medicine Sunday, May 06, 2007 10:25 AM Re: bone spurs Hi Andrea Beth, I would refer you to a discussion we had in this group on heel spurs I believe around January. Good luck, Yehuda < wrote: Hi All, I am interested in topical treatments for bone spurs in the feet. In particular, the patient is a 50-year old female with a history of swelling of her feet in warm weather that she remembers since age 12. The bone spur is in the first metatarsophylangeal joint of the right foot (where the foot joint the big toe), and the joint is obviously enlarged and makes purchasing shoes that fit comfortably difficult. There is also pain in the joint after walking in shoes that don't have enough arch support. She has had flat feet since childhood. Lastly, related to the foot particularly, she remembers jamming this big toe into a wall while running barefoot once in her early 20's, and believes this is the cause of the bone spur. Constitutionally, she is overweight at 5'2 " and 165 pounds, with deficient spleen, kidney and lung qi, phlegm damp in the lungs and chronic phlegm heat in the sinuses. She also exhibits signs and symptoms of stagnant liver qi and blood - sore muscles that occasionally cramp (diagnosed with fibromyalgia many years ago), varicose veins, and emotional irritability with a dusky tongue that is puffy, with a medium-thickness, slightly dry and slightly yellow coat. She is currently experiencing irregular menses, approaching menopause. In recent years she has also exhibited kidney-liver yin deficiency, generating internal wind with ocular migraines and frequent headaches in summer and fall. She has a tendency to be cold or overheated (when running low-grade fevers) in the mornings and hot in the afternoons and evenings, but not always. Her pulse is slightly rapid, weak, small, and soft with kidney pulse very deficient. Her blood pressure has always been low, between 80/50 and 96/60 in the mornings, and up to 110/70 in the afternoons. She is more interested in topical applications for the bone spur than internal use of herbs. Any suggestions? I know John Chen has an herb formula which he claims will dissolve spurs (Flex Spur), but I am wondering if topical application of any herbs can also be effective? Thank you, Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2007 I would agree with you mechanically. However, there was much in our discussion that was relevant, addressing other aspects of spurs in general. Alon Marcus <alonmarcus wrote: Yehuda this sounds very different than the heel spurs we discussed. Mechanically this pt must have their first ray controlled probably with addition of a reverse Morton's extension to allow the first MTP to flex. A firm shoe with a rocker bottom with help as well - yehuda frischman Chinese Medicine Sunday, May 06, 2007 10:25 AM Re: bone spurs Hi Andrea Beth, I would refer you to a discussion we had in this group on heel spurs I believe around January. Good luck, Yehuda < wrote: Hi All, I am interested in topical treatments for bone spurs in the feet. In particular, the patient is a 50-year old female with a history of swelling of her feet in warm weather that she remembers since age 12. The bone spur is in the first metatarsophylangeal joint of the right foot (where the foot joint the big toe), and the joint is obviously enlarged and makes purchasing shoes that fit comfortably difficult. There is also pain in the joint after walking in shoes that don't have enough arch support. She has had flat feet since childhood. Lastly, related to the foot particularly, she remembers jamming this big toe into a wall while running barefoot once in her early 20's, and believes this is the cause of the bone spur. Constitutionally, she is overweight at 5'2 " and 165 pounds, with deficient spleen, kidney and lung qi, phlegm damp in the lungs and chronic phlegm heat in the sinuses. She also exhibits signs and symptoms of stagnant liver qi and blood - sore muscles that occasionally cramp (diagnosed with fibromyalgia many years ago), varicose veins, and emotional irritability with a dusky tongue that is puffy, with a medium-thickness, slightly dry and slightly yellow coat. She is currently experiencing irregular menses, approaching menopause. In recent years she has also exhibited kidney-liver yin deficiency, generating internal wind with ocular migraines and frequent headaches in summer and fall. She has a tendency to be cold or overheated (when running low-grade fevers) in the mornings and hot in the afternoons and evenings, but not always. Her pulse is slightly rapid, weak, small, and soft with kidney pulse very deficient. Her blood pressure has always been low, between 80/50 and 96/60 in the mornings, and up to 110/70 in the afternoons. She is more interested in topical applications for the bone spur than internal use of herbs. Any suggestions? I know John Chen has an herb formula which he claims will dissolve spurs (Flex Spur), but I am wondering if topical application of any herbs can also be effective? Thank you, Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2007 flex spur does work, quickly and well! Chinese Medicine , Andrea Beth Damsky < wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am interested in topical treatments for bone spurs in the feet. In particular, the patient is a 50-year old female with a history of swelling of her feet in warm weather that she remembers since age 12. The bone spur is in the first metatarsophylangeal joint of the right foot (where the foot joint the big toe), and the joint is obviously enlarged and makes purchasing shoes that fit comfortably difficult. There is also pain in the joint after walking in shoes that don't have enough arch support. She has had flat feet since childhood. Lastly, related to the foot particularly, she remembers jamming this big toe into a wall while running barefoot once in her early 20's, and believes this is the cause of the bone spur. > > Constitutionally, she is overweight at 5'2 " and 165 pounds, with deficient spleen, kidney and lung qi, phlegm damp in the lungs and chronic phlegm heat in the sinuses. She also exhibits signs and symptoms of stagnant liver qi and blood - sore muscles that occasionally cramp (diagnosed with fibromyalgia many years ago), varicose veins, and emotional irritability with a dusky tongue that is puffy, with a medium-thickness, slightly dry and slightly yellow coat. She is currently experiencing irregular menses, approaching menopause. In recent years she has also exhibited kidney-liver yin deficiency, generating internal wind with ocular migraines and frequent headaches in summer and fall. She has a tendency to be cold or overheated (when running low-grade fevers) in the mornings and hot in the afternoons and evenings, but not always. > > Her pulse is slightly rapid, weak, small, and soft with kidney pulse very deficient. Her blood pressure has always been low, between 80/50 and 96/60 in the mornings, and up to 110/70 in the afternoons. > > She is more interested in topical applications for the bone spur than internal use of herbs. Any suggestions? I know John Chen has an herb formula which he claims will dissolve spurs (Flex Spur), but I am wondering if topical application of any herbs can also be effective? > > Thank you, > > > > > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2007 Hi Andrea, Internal herbs would be very helpful as well. Is she at all willing to do this? If she is then how about going a bit more into your diagnosis - A couple of questions - what are her signs and symptoms that lead you to the diagnosis of Spleen, Kidney and Lung Qi deficiency, Phlegm damp in the lung and and phlegm heat in the sinus. Liver and Kidney Yin deficiency with internal wind? I see the Blood stasis and Liver Qi stasis Without having the answer to these questions I am wondering if you are making the following assumptions - 1. because she has lung issues it must be lung Qi deficiency 2. because she has wind in the head and feverishness she must have Liver and kidney Yin Xu or are there signs and symptoms of Lung Qi, Liver and Kidney Yin deficiency? A couple of things are important. 1. The location of the bone spur is on the Spleen channel. The flat feet since childhood is for sure a constitutional deficiency of both the Spleen and Kidney channels. I have found that acupuncture to supplement these channels both directly and indirectly can very much help with the discomfort of the spur. 2. Irregular menses is vague. What do you mean? If her menses are coming closer together and are heavy then we could say that her constitutional Spleen and Kidney Qi deficiency is getting worse and now the Qi of this organs is not holding the blood. This is a collapse downward and should be lifted - it relates to the bone spur obviously. The varicose veins are blood stasis due to this sinking Qi as well. 3. Any collapse downward can lead to the Yang loosing it's root and flaring upward. The heat in her head (sinus phlegm heat) and wind can be a result of this downward tendency. A Separation of Yin and Yang. Yin going down and Yang going up. 4. The medium thick, yellow moss on her tongue is important. This is damp heat. The dryness is due to the heat aspect of the damp heat. Dampheat would help explain her weird temperature shifts. Dampheat fevers tend to be in the afternoon. Fibromyalgia is often due, in part, to dampheat in the flesh. So, overall, with this patient, there is a substantial heaviness and downward falling aspect. Treating this would be key to getting to the root of the problem. In addition there is a flaring up of what should be descending (lung/sinus and head). It's like an elevator - to lift up the elevator you have to pull down the elevator cable. This is part of what's meant by Qi mechanism. If her diagnosis can get cleared up a bit, I'd be happy to help with the internal formula. I know some good ones! Best Sharon Hi All, I am interested in topical treatments for bone spurs in the feet. In particular, the patient is a 50-year old female with a history of swelling of her feet in warm weather that she remembers since age 12. The bone spur is in the first metatarsophylangeal joint of the right foot (where the foot joint the big toe), and the joint is obviously enlarged and makes purchasing shoes that fit comfortably difficult. There is also pain in the joint after walking in shoes that don't have enough arch support. She has had flat feet since childhood. Lastly, related to the foot particularly, she remembers jamming this big toe into a wall while running barefoot once in her early 20's, and believes this is the cause of the bone spur. Constitutionally, she is overweight at 5'2 " and 165 pounds, with deficient spleen, kidney and lung qi, phlegm damp in the lungs and chronic phlegm heat in the sinuses. She also exhibits signs and symptoms of stagnant liver qi and blood - sore muscles that occasionally cramp (diagnosed with fibromyalgia many years ago), varicose veins, and emotional irritability with a dusky tongue that is puffy, with a medium-thickness, slightly dry and slightly yellow coat. She is currently experiencing irregular menses, approaching menopause. In recent years she has also exhibited kidney-liver yin deficiency, generating internal wind with ocular migraines and frequent headaches in summer and fall. She has a tendency to be cold or overheated (when running low-grade fevers) in the mornings and hot in the afternoons and evenings, but not always. Her pulse is slightly rapid, weak, small, and soft with kidney pulse very deficient. Her blood pressure has always been low, between 80/50 and 96/60 in the mornings, and up to 110/70 in the afternoons. She is more interested in topical applications for the bone spur than internal use of herbs. Any suggestions? I know John Chen has an herb formula which he claims will dissolve spurs (Flex Spur), but I am wondering if topical application of any herbs can also be effective? Thank you, Sharon Weizenbaum 86 Henry Street Amherst, MA 01002 413-549-4021 sweiz www.whitepinehealingarts.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2007 Seems you got every answer except what you are looking for. Dieda Zhengtong Yaogao, also known as " 701 plaster " This only for chronic non red/warm bone spurs.(if it's red/warm let me now and I'll give you a plaster for that) You might want to work on her diet as well. Kelvin Chinese Medicine , Andrea Beth Damsky < wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am interested in topical treatments for bone spurs in the feet. In particular, the patient is a 50-year old female with a history of swelling of her feet in warm weather that she remembers since age 12. The bone spur is in the first metatarsophylangeal joint of the right foot (where the foot joint the big toe), and the joint is obviously enlarged and makes purchasing shoes that fit comfortably difficult. There is also pain in the joint after walking in shoes that don't have enough arch support. She has had flat feet since childhood. Lastly, related to the foot particularly, she remembers jamming this big toe into a wall while running barefoot once in her early 20's, and believes this is the cause of the bone spur. > > Constitutionally, she is overweight at 5'2 " and 165 pounds, with deficient spleen, kidney and lung qi, phlegm damp in the lungs and chronic phlegm heat in the sinuses. She also exhibits signs and symptoms of stagnant liver qi and blood - sore muscles that occasionally cramp (diagnosed with fibromyalgia many years ago), varicose veins, and emotional irritability with a dusky tongue that is puffy, with a medium-thickness, slightly dry and slightly yellow coat. She is currently experiencing irregular menses, approaching menopause. In recent years she has also exhibited kidney-liver yin deficiency, generating internal wind with ocular migraines and frequent headaches in summer and fall. She has a tendency to be cold or overheated (when running low-grade fevers) in the mornings and hot in the afternoons and evenings, but not always. > > Her pulse is slightly rapid, weak, small, and soft with kidney pulse very deficient. Her blood pressure has always been low, between 80/50 and 96/60 in the mornings, and up to 110/70 in the afternoons. > > She is more interested in topical applications for the bone spur than internal use of herbs. Any suggestions? I know John Chen has an herb formula which he claims will dissolve spurs (Flex Spur), but I am wondering if topical application of any herbs can also be effective? > > Thank you, > > > > > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites