Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2006 Has anyone gotten back to you about this? Here's something I found:: There are many things which can help deter fleas naturally...some applied outside, and some from the inside. Of the external applications, some involve repelling the fleas, and others involve actually causing structural damage of a fatal nature to them, as is the case with diatamaceous earth. On the inside is where the real root of the problem is at. I'm sure you've heard of using garlic to help get rid of fleas. Feed it to your pets in their food...raw, fresh, chopped, organic garlic. This works for two reasons. One reason I'm sure you can guess, the fleas don't like the smell of garlic that comes through the skin! Correct! The other reason this works is because garlic enhances immune system function, and fleas, being a parasite, are attracted to weak and decaying organisms...be sure that is not your pet! Keep your pets healthy and well through immune system enhancement as much as you possibly can, and fleas won't be as attracted to them quite as much. Using an herbal supplement formula such as some of the ones I will be giving and others will be submitting here in this group will help, too. The healthier your pet,the less fleas. Keep going back to this main idea when planning a line of attack. The food matters. Raw, fresh, organic is best. Again, we will be sharing recipes in this group under that topic name. Just keep in mind...the healthier your pet, the less fleas! And in turn, the less fleas, the healthier and happier your pet is going to be. Here's how to make a flea collar for your pet that won't expose them to poisons like the commercial ones in the store: Soak a soft material collar in the following solution and then allow to dry for one hour before placing on pet. This should work against fleas for one month: 1 T water 6 drops of each of the following essential oils: cedarwood lavender citronella thyme 1 tsp garlic powder In reference to the above question regarding the lemon tonic for skin which has been bitten by fleas…The lemon acts as an antiseptic to soothe sore and infected skin, as is often caused by an allergic reaction to fleas. You may add 15-18 drops of the essential oil of thyme for every ounce of the mixture for added relief and also for added repellent assistance. Fleas don’t like thyme very much. Kathleen <kathleen wrote: What do you suggest for fleas on animals? I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed, there would be no more wars. Abbie Hoffman http://www.freewebs.com/tcfactory/ecosolidarity/freeclick.html Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Messenger with Voice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 Just like humans....our animals need proper nutrition to be able to resist parisites and disease. Personally, I feed my dogs a species approprate diet of raw meat, bones and sometimes add raw eggs. Sometimes I add salmom oil and other suppliments depending on the time of year and how their coats look. I let them "tell" me what they need by how they look and feel. Our male is almost 8 yrs old and our female 1 yr old and neither of them have fleas. We do not use ANY chemicals on them (as in flea collars, heart worm meds or any other vet recommended meds) and they are both the picture of health and vigor....HTH...Val Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 Give them a bath in lemon joy......or water and lemon juice....kills the fleas on my dogs....bjlife_loverfl <life_loverfl wrote: My girl is a real pet person. Is there something that can be used to rid cats and dogs of fleas? Always in the service of our Father. Brenda Joyce Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 Eucalyptus oil and wintergreen oil work well to rid pets, carpets, furniture of fleas and keep them away. I use both of these harmless oils in my home and yard as well as on my little female chihuahua and have never seen a flea since starting it! Eucalyptus Blend: 1 tsp. eucalyptus essential oil mixed in a spray bottle with 20oz. water. Spray your pet(keep out of eyes), pets bedding, furniture, carpet. It dries quickly and smells good. Repeat several times a week. Wintergreen Blend: 1 tsp. wintergreen essential oil mixed in a spray bottle with 20oz. water. Do the same as above but only needs to be repeated once or twice a month. Also, feeding your dog minced fresh garlic really helps, just mix a TBSP. into some wet dog food and feed it once daily to keep fleas and ticks off your pooch. My uncle uses pennyroyal and swears by it. He puts 8 drops on the back of his dogs necks between the shoulder blades right on the skin and repeats it every 10-14 days. He swears the fleas have never come back. And here is a recipe for an all natural flea collar: 2 TBSP. peppermint essential oil 1/2 cup rosemary essential oil 2 TBSP white cedar essential oil 1/4 cup citronella essential oil 2 TBSP eucalyptus essential oil Soak a natural fiber rope in the mixture allow to dry several hours before putting it on dog - do not use on cats! If you have a heavy infestation in your carpets sprinkle borax on and leave for one hour, vacuum well. Keep pets and kids away until thoroughly vacuumed. Hope you find this helpful. Tori Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 4, 2006 Essential oils should not be considered harmless. Most all eo's need to be diluted and never used neat. The formula for the dog collar sounds interesting, but it is extremely important to wear protective chemical resistant gloves when working with these oils. Some folks should not be exposed to eo's. It is a known fact that people that suffer from epilepsy should be careful when using certain essential oils in aromatherapy, since some contain neurotoxins which have a convulsant effect. There are oils not to be used during pregnancy. Do research before working with essential oils. WINTERGREEN--Can cause toxicity if incorrectly used. Most is in fact just the synthetic chemical methyl salicylate. PENNYROYAL OIL-- should not be used in aromatherapy and even in small doses produces acute liver and lung damage. Pennyroyal oil is a toxin and abortifacient (due to the pulegone content) and if ingested in large doses, pennyroyal oil can cause death. Cindy > Eucalyptus oil and wintergreen oil work well to rid pets, carpets, > furniture of fleas and keep them away. I use both of these harmless > oils in my home and yard as well as on my little female chihuahua > and have never seen a flea since starting it! > Eucalyptus Blend: > 1 tsp. eucalyptus essential oil mixed in a spray bottle with 20oz. > water. Spray your pet(keep out of eyes), pets bedding, furniture, > carpet. It dries quickly and smells good. Repeat several times a > week. > Wintergreen Blend: > 1 tsp. wintergreen essential oil mixed in a spray bottle with 20oz. > water. Do the same as above but only needs to be repeated once or > twice a month. > Also, feeding your dog minced fresh garlic really helps, just mix a > TBSP. into some wet dog food and feed it once daily to keep fleas > and ticks off your pooch. > My uncle uses pennyroyal and swears by it. He puts 8 drops on the > back of his dogs necks between the shoulder blades right on the skin > and repeats it every 10-14 days. He swears the fleas have never come > back. > And here is a recipe for an all natural flea collar: > 2 TBSP. peppermint essential oil > 1/2 cup rosemary essential oil > 2 TBSP white cedar essential oil > 1/4 cup citronella essential oil > 2 TBSP eucalyptus essential oil > Soak a natural fiber rope in the mixture allow to dry several hours > before putting it on dog - do not use on cats! > If you have a heavy infestation in your carpets sprinkle borax on > and leave for one hour, vacuum well. Keep pets and kids away until > thoroughly vacuumed. > > Hope you find this helpful. > > Tori > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 4, 2006 Hi Tori, You have some retty toxic oils in your recipes... Wintergreen and Pennyroyal are NEVER to be used as an essential oil. They are higly toxic and have known to kill. Pennyroyal can be used though, by rubbing your pet with the dried herb, but still I would prefer smoething else. I'm not educated in veterinary aromatherapy, but the oils you suggested for the collar are safe for humans at least. BellaTori <vcotten wrote: Eucalyptus oil and wintergreen oil work well to rid pets, carpets, furniture of fleas and keep them away. I use both of these harmless oils in my home and yard as well as on my little female chihuahua and have never seen a flea since starting it! Eucalyptus Blend: 1 tsp. eucalyptus essential oil mixed in a spray bottle with 20oz. water. Spray your pet(keep out of eyes), pets bedding, furniture, carpet. It dries quickly and smells good. Repeat several times a week. Wintergreen Blend: 1 tsp. wintergreen essential oil mixed in a spray bottle with 20oz. water. Do the same as above but only needs to be repeated once or twice a month. Also, feeding your dog minced fresh garlic really helps, just mix a TBSP. into some wet dog food and feed it once daily to keep fleas and ticks off your pooch. My uncle uses pennyroyal and swears by it. He puts 8 drops on the back of his dogs necks between the shoulder blades right on the skin and repeats it every 10-14 days. He swears the fleas have never come back. And here is a recipe for an all natural flea collar: 2 TBSP. peppermint essential oil 1/2 cup rosemary essential oil 2 TBSP white cedar essential oil 1/4 cup citronella essential oil 2 TBSP eucalyptus essential oil Soak a natural fiber rope in the mixture allow to dry several hours before putting it on dog - do not use on cats! If you have a heavy infestation in your carpets sprinkle borax on and leave for one hour, vacuum well. Keep pets and kids away until thoroughly vacuumed. Hope you find this helpful. Tori De Groene Vrouw Kruidengeneeskundewww.groenevrouw.nl See the all-new, redesigned .com. Check it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 4, 2006 In a message dated 8/4/2006 1:27:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, symphytum_officinale writes: Hi Tori,You have some retty toxic oils in your recipes...Wintergreen and Pennyroyal are NEVER to be used as an essential oil. They are higly toxic and have known to kill.Pennyroyal can be used though, by rubbing your pet with the dried herb, but still I would prefer smoething else. I'm not educated in veterinary aromatherapy, but the oils you suggested for the collar are safe for humans at least.Bella Bella, What are your thoughts on Tea Tree and Orange oils. I mix this with a lot of water and vinegar then mist the fur in the bad areas like the back and tail and rub it in. Edith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 4, 2006 Might you or any one else know where you can get eucalyptus soap and oil...that stuff works good on bugs and their bites......bjPaul Autrey <rpautrey2 wrote: For dogs I mix fresh diced raw garlic in their food and wash them with Dr. Bronner's Peppermint or Eucalyptus liquid soap. Diatomacious earth can be dusted on their fur and on the carpet and after a short time brushed and vacumed up. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Always in the service of our Father. Brenda Joyce Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 At 05:19 PM 8/4/2006, you wrote: Diatomacious earth can be dusted on their fur and on the carpet and after a short time brushed and vacumed up. Will Diatomacious kill the fleas instantly? Will this work on bare(wooden " floors also? Where do you buy this, I read some garden centers have it. Thank you, Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Hi Edith, As I said, I'm not educated in using essential oils for animals. As far as I know, Tea-tree should at least NEVER be used on CATS (I don't know about dogs), because it can cause shock an death for them. I'm not sure about the orange oil; I doubt it to be harmful but you never know. Do consider, though, that all citrusoils can cause skin irritation and do cause fotosensibility, which means that the skin is more sensible for sunlight. It may seem that your pet doesn't have a preblem with that since they are protected from the sun by their fur, but I would personally have second thoughts for that. Plus there is also the fact that their smelling ability is so much stronger that ours; even when I use e.o.'s I think it's pretty strong; imagine what they feel like... On the other hand you can't make your mixture too weak, because then it will not work anymore... It's quite a problem; I'm definately more positive about using natural stuff for repelling, but remember that essential oils are - as highly concentrated as you buy them- not really natural: I mean they are, but a wild animal would never be able to use them in the way we do. The most natural approach might be supporting a really healthy diet for our pets, and maybe rubbing them with certain herbs every now and again, to repell. But I don't know wether that'd be strong enough... Bella Bella, What are your thoughts on Tea Tree and Orange oils. I mix this with a lot of water and vinegar then mist the fur in the bad areas like the back and tail and rub it in. Edith De Groene Vrouw Kruidengeneeskundewww.groenevrouw.nl Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Diatomacious earth - Gardensalive.com have a good write up about how and why it works and they sell it as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 7, 2006 Hi Dave, make sure it is food grade. it does not kill them instantly but cuts into their outer skeleton which makes them die. if you dust your animals, make sure you and the animals do not breathe in the dust. I vaccuum carpets first, sprinkle onto carpets and work into the carpet with a broom. Then I wait a few days to a week to vaccuum. you can also sprinkle in the yard but if it gets wet it is rendered useless. you can also add a small amount to food to help rid intestinal worms. debbie - Dave herbal remedies Friday, August 04, 2006 8:16 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Fleas At 05:19 PM 8/4/2006, you wrote: Diatomacious earth can be dusted on their fur and on the carpet and after a short time brushed and vacumed up.Will Diatomacious kill the fleas instantly? Will this work on bare(wooden" floors also?Where do you buy this, I read some garden centers have it.Thank you,Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2007 I am looking for a good natural way of keeping fleas off my dog and cats. I am traveling, so I need something that will work well. Does anyone know of a topical solution? Or can I feed the animals something that would help keep the fleas off? Thanks, Kathy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 20, 2007 Hi Kathy - I give my dogs apple cider vinegar in their food. It is supposed to help with things such as keeping fleas away. I haven't had a flea problem in the seven or so years since I changed my pets' diet to super premium canned and raw. My dogs eat all raw now; my cats eat some canned and some raw. Cindy Cindy Kirchhoff, life coach http://livinginrhyme.com Reclaim your power and passion , " Kathy " <schneiderhansen wrote: > > I am looking for a good natural way of keeping fleas off my dog and > cats. I am traveling, so I need something that will work well. Does > anyone know of a topical solution? Or can I feed the animals something > that would help keep the fleas off? > > Thanks, Kathy > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 20, 2007 Brewers yeast and garlic in the pet food are said to keep fleas off. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Hard to get cats to eat this usually anyway. Don't use any essential oils on cats as they are highly allergic to eo's, though some people have found it safe to use SMALL amounts of eo's on dogs. About the best, safest chemical to use is Frontline Top Spot. Not Frontline Plus, that has a chemical in it that can effect dogs and cats. But the frontline top spot is only fipronil, which is a chemical that interferes with the nervous system of insects and not of mammals. And the amount of the fipronil is so small in each dose that it seems to be pretty safe for our pets, used once a month. A few people on a cat list I'm on even use just half the dose (especially if the pet is already pretty flea free) on each pet and this seems to work as good as a full dose. You can get Frontline top spot much cheaper on line than you can in local stores. It's not natural, certainly, but it works great and so far has proven safe for cats from kittens to old cats, as per a test done by a lady that use to run a cat magazine. She had her readers use this and send in the results and over 700 people sent in results. The only trouble they had was one cat was sick for one day because the owner scratched the front line into the skin with her fingernails. Samala, Renee ---- I am looking for a good natural way of keeping fleas off my dog and cats. I am traveling, so I need something that will work well. Does anyone know of a topical solution? Or can I feed the animals something that would help keep the fleas off? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 20, 2007 I have a dog & two cats. I use a collection of essential oils on them since I got the dog about 8 months ago and it has worked great! I actually found the " Natural " flee stuff at petsmart then just purchased the same oils that are included. I apply once a month just as you would any other liquid flee product. I just do one pass with each oil. On the dog...neck to mid back and the cats just high on their neck where they cannot reach it. Cinnamon Leaf Cloves Thyme Lemongrass Peppermint I have also read that garlic will assit with fleas, so I often will sprinkle a little from acidopholis capsule in with his food. Caroline McCully Keeping the Passion alive! www.passioneveryday.com *Shop on line * Book a party* Become a Consultant , " Kathy " <schneiderhansen wrote: > > I am looking for a good natural way of keeping fleas off my dog and > cats. I am traveling, so I need something that will work well. Does > anyone know of a topical solution? Or can I feed the animals something > that would help keep the fleas off? > > Thanks, Kathy > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2007 I have heard that garlic helps with ticks and fleas. , " Kathy " <schneiderhansen wrote: > > I am looking for a good natural way of keeping fleas off my dog and > cats. I am traveling, so I need something that will work well. Does > anyone know of a topical solution? Or can I feed the animals something > that would help keep the fleas off? > > Thanks, Kathy > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2007 Add Brewer's Yeast to food as well as small amount of Sulpher Use Citronella Oil mixed with water.. Lots of water & spritz with a spray bottle on the dogs another solution is FeverFew brewed as tea & used as rinse.. in the same family as marigolds & cysanthimums , " Kathy " <schneiderhansen wrote: > > I am looking for a good natural way of keeping fleas off my dog and > cats. I am traveling, so I need something that will work well. Does > anyone know of a topical solution? Or can I feed the animals something > that would help keep the fleas off? > > Thanks, Kathy > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2007 Garlic is dangerous to cats, may be fatal. lunastorm1965 <martina_nacho wrote: I have heard that garlic helps with ticks and fleas. , " Kathy " <schneiderhansen wrote: > > I am looking for a good natural way of keeping fleas off my dog and > cats. I am traveling, so I need something that will work well. Does > anyone know of a topical solution? Or can I feed the animals something > that would help keep the fleas off? > > Thanks, Kathy > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2007 I have 3 cats that are very badly infected with fleas. Since we moved to a new house, I am assuming the epidemic was outside on the grass or in the carpet. No matter. What matters is that I have bought Borax but am reluctant at using it as I am afraid it will trigger my asthma. What is the natural remedy that you were all talking about? They are suffering and will not eat the garlic or yeast. I give them premium dry food. Would prefer not to give me raw meat; my cats don't really like moist food. Thanks for your help. Maria Dr. Maria Moratto Prescription For Bliss http://rx4bliss.com Dr. Maria Conversation Series http://drmariapresents.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2007 Boy, I wouldn't do that, especially on cats. Straight essential oils are VERY detrimental to cats, and to dogs. If you are really diluting the oils, it might be ok for dogs, but I still wouldn't for cats. No matter what type of " natural " product I found that said they used the oils. There are tons of products on the market that claim, like medicines, that they are good for us, and we all know how often they are right. Samala, Renee ---- I have a dog & two cats. I use a collection of essential oils on them since I got the dog about 8 months ago and it has worked great! I actually found the " Natural " flee stuff at petsmart then just purchased the same oils that are included. I apply once a month just as you would any other liquid flee product. I just do one pass with each oil. On the dog...neck to mid back and the cats just high on their neck where they cannot reach it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2007 If the flea infestation is bad the only true help you can give them is to get Frontline Top Spot, which even though it is a chemical it is very, very safe for cats and dogs. The active ingredient in it only effects insect nervous system and not mammal nervous systems. Buy a 3 pack and put one on each cat. This will in essence be a one month supply. But it will get rid of most of the flea population that has taken hold and give the cats a break (it starts working in 24 hours to kill fleas) plus give you time to start a good anti-flea regime. See if you can buy some food grade DE (diatomaceous earth). You can sometimes find it in the gardening section of large hardware stores, or sometimes at plant nursery centers. But make sure it says food grade because there is a " garden " grade or more normally called pool grade, as it is used in filtering home swimming pools. You don't want that type as that DE has sharp edges which can be harmful if your cats swallow it. After you have the DE you can sprinkle it around the doorways going outside. Do this inside the house as DE will wash off after a rain if you put it outside. Then you can sprinkle a bit on your cats and rub it into the fur once a week or so, after the month from the Frontline is up. If your home is infested and you don't want to use flea bombs you must vacuum the rugs, furniture and anywhere your cats sleep every day. You can also get a shallow dish filled with water and a bit of dish soap and put it underneath a small night light. At night the fleas will jump towards the warm light and fall into the water and drown. I have seen where it's better to use a small green Xmas light in the night light if you have one, if not a regular white light will work. If you want better protection for your yard you can go to www.mosquitobarrier.com and get some of that spray and you will kill mosquitos, fleas and ticks at the same time. Hope this helps. Renee ---- I have 3 cats that are very badly infected with fleas. Since we moved to a new house, I am assuming the epidemic was outside on the grass or in the carpet. No matter. What matters is that I have bought Borax but am reluctant at using it as I am afraid it will trigger my asthma. What is the natural remedy that you were all talking about? They are suffering and will not eat the garlic or yeast. I give them premium dry food. Would prefer not to give me raw meat; my cats don't really like moist food. Thanks for your help. Maria Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2007 Yes, Garlic is great for dogs, just add a crushed clove to their food on a daily basis. Has other health benefits too, of course. Not recommended for cats though! Try also supplementing with Vit B1 (Thiamine) - is also good for keeping fleas away! John , My Newmail <mymail2006 wrote: > > Garlic is dangerous to cats, may be fatal. > > lunastorm1965 <martina_nacho wrote: I have heard that garlic helps with ticks and fleas. > > , " Kathy " > <schneiderhansen@> wrote: > > > > I am looking for a good natural way of keeping fleas off my dog and > > cats. I am traveling, so I need something that will work well. Does > > anyone know of a topical solution? Or can I feed the animals > something > > that would help keep the fleas off? > > > > Thanks, Kathy > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2007 Diato Diatomaceous Earth (DE) - Food Grade is the perfect natural alternative for any sorts of pests. You can sprinkle directly onto grass, carpets, even their food and it will kill all pests, even internally and yet is perfectly safe for our Pets. This would be my first choice. Huggs Lyndall ---- Dr. Maria Moratto 23/08/2007 12:53:50 AM Re: Fleas I have 3 cats that are very badly infected with fleas. Since we moved to a new house, I am assuming the epidemic was outside on the grass or in the carpet. No matter. Thanks for your help. Maria Dr. Maria Moratto Prescription For Bliss http://rx4bliss.com Dr. Maria Conversation Series http://drmariapresents.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2007 , " Dr. Maria Moratto " <drmoratto wrote: > > I have 3 cats that are very badly infected with fleas. > Since we moved to a new house, I am assuming the epidemic was > outside on the grass or in the carpet. > No matter. > What matters is that I have bought Borax but am reluctant at > using it as I am afraid it will trigger my asthma. > What is the natural remedy that you were all talking about? > They are suffering and will not eat the garlic or yeast. > I give them premium dry food. Would prefer not to give me raw > meat; my cats don't really like moist food. > Thanks for your help. > Maria > > Dr. Maria Moratto > Prescription For Bliss > http://rx4bliss.com > Dr. Maria Conversation Series > http://drmariapresents.com > First -- get lots of salt and spread it on carpets and especially where they sleep. then get some food grade diatomaceous earth and do the same and spread out doors too. It is ground up little critters from the sea. This will dry up the fleas and ticks but will not hurt the grass or plants. vacuum up after a week or so. May need to be done again though.throw the vaccum bag outside in the trash. Second -- bathe each cat in the bathroom sink to which is added a little dawn dish detergent. This is easier if you keep the scruff of the neck in one hand and push them down to hold them in the water. Only a little water needs to be in the basin so that the head is not in the water. Scrub with the other hand, the ears, the neck, top of head being careful not to get this into eyes. You can wash the face last with a wash cloth. After the head and neck area, move down the body paying special attention to the base of the tail and under legs. Have a very large towel handy to wrap up the cat and keep them from running away. You can blot most of the water this way off the fur. Then keep indoors till dry. This bath will get most of the fleas off. You probably need to do this once a week till all fleas are gone. A flea comb is great to get all the rest and the eggs out.Get tihs at a Pet store. This is also best done in the bathroom but in a dry tub so it can all be washed down the drain after you are done. This does work. I have raised several cats that have adopted me from the abandoned population that have become strays. cecile Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites