New to group

[Guest guest]

Hi Zonella,

 

Welcome aboard! We have quite a few Texas soap/lotion/cream makers so I

think you'll fit right in there

 

Get comfy, make yourself at home and don't hesitate to jump right into

the fun.

 

Oh, and thanks for saying such nice things about the group, Cindy :-D

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom - whose latest creative adventure is working on making

the perfect shampoo and hair conditioner

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Zonella Gould

 

 

Hi, My name is Zonella Gould, (Zo) I live on Lake Whitney in central

Texas. I love making soap, lotions and creams and love to incorporate

essential oils in my lotions and creams.

 

Cindy of Pittstown Soapworks said this group was THE one to join.

 

Looking forward to learning as much as I can.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you.

Zo

 

Hi Zonella,

 

Welcome aboard! We have quite a few Texas soap/lotion/cream makers so I

think you'll fit right in there

 

Get comfy, make yourself at home and don't hesitate to jump right into

the fun.

 

Oh, and thanks for saying such nice things about the group, Cindy :-D

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom - whose latest creative adventure is working on making

the perfect shampoo and hair conditioner

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

[Guest guest]

Total Tonic and Echinacea formula

love

Lisa

 

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lesley daley

herbal remedies

Monday, September 19, 2005 11:29 AM

Herbal Remedies - new to group

Hi im new to your group and i am looking for some advise for my auntie.she is a young 66 year old and fell last december she needs a hipreplacement but doctors havent been able to operate becouse of herhealth.she has a very bad chest infection that she cannot clear.i haveevery faith in herbal remedies but i havent got a clue which ones sheshould take i would be very gratefull for any advise.thanks lesley

[Guest guest]

........but doctors havent been able to operate becouse of her

> health.she has a very bad chest infection that she cannot clear.i

have

> every faith in herbal remedies but i havent got a clue which ones she

> should take i would be very gratefull for any advise.

> thanks lesley

 

I am not a dr. just teaching myself as I go, I have read Mullien, the

herb that grows tall with a yellow spike, and leaves are light green

and feel like flannel is good for lung infections and things related.

 

Also, I had a friend last year just could not get over a chest

infection.. she finally tried Oil of Oregano..(Buy from reputable

place) the O of O finally kicked the infection.

 

good luck to you both.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Tammy, nice to meet you. My name is Kim, or Riverwulf, and I am new too. I

am a 34 yr old stay at home Mom, and would like to learn as much as I can about

herbs and essential oils as I would like to earn money from home, or something

like that, one of these days. :0) I have 2 children also. I keep all of my

herbs and oils locked away in a high cabinet. Powerful things they are.

 

 

gaia_829 <tammy wrote:

hi everybody! I'm a new member to the group & just wanted to say hello

& introduce myself. My name is Tammy, I'm an Aromatherapist & own a

company called Gaia Aromatherapy that produces all natural

Aromatherapy products - located in Southern California. I work from

home so I can spend as much time as possible with my 2 kids (ages 2 & 4).

I look forward to chatting with you all. Happy Thanksgiving!

[Guest guest]

Hi Tammy. Welcome to the list. Any relationship to Gaia Herbs?

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Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:37 PM

new to group

 

 

> hi everybody! I'm a new member to the group & just wanted to say hello

> & introduce myself. My name is Tammy, I'm an Aromatherapist & own a

> company called Gaia Aromatherapy that produces all natural

> Aromatherapy products - located in Southern California. I work from

> home so I can spend as much time as possible with my 2 kids (ages 2 & 4).

> I look forward to chatting with you all. Happy Thanksgiving!

The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute

> for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional.

>

>

> Step By Step Instructions For Making Herbal Labna Cheese! So easy, SO

> yummy!

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[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome to the group.........

 

I had panic attacks for years and still have them occasionally. The biggest thing that helped me was taking 400-600 mg of magnesium citrate a day and cutting out dairy. The supplement I take is a 1:1 ratio of calcium and magnesium. I take it in a powdered form and mix it with water and stevia. I split it up in 200 mg doses and take it first thing in the morning......at 4pm if I need to........and about 20 minutes before I go to bed. Has made all the difference in the world and I got off of buspar and xanax.

 

Jeanne

 

 

[Guest guest]

Stacy,

 

First off, Kava Kava isn't off the market - you can get it at

www.mountainroseherbs.com along with many other herbs. I buy what I

need there and make the capsules myself. They also sell the extract.

 

I posted this recently but I'll post it again:

 

Here's the recommendations in the book " The Miracle of Magnesium " by

Carolyn Dean, M.D., N.D.

 

Supplements for Heart Disease/high blood pressure

 

Magnesium: 300 mg twice per day

Coenzyme Q10: 30 mg three times a day

Bromelain: 500 mg three times a day between meals

Vitamin E as mixed tocopherols: 400 IU twice a day

Crategus tincture: 20 drops two to three times a day

Bioflavonoids rutin or quercetin: 500 mg daily

Biotin: 5 mg daily

 

for artherosclerosis add:

Niacin (vitamin B3): 100 mg three times a day, working up to 6 g

daily. Do not use time-release niacin, which has been associated with

liver damage. Niacinamide (which does not cause flushing) is not

effective for lowering cholesterol.

Folic acid: 800 mcg daily

Vitamin B6: 50 mg daily

Vitamin B complex: 50 mg per day

Vitamin C: 1,000 mg three times a day

Calcium: 1,000 mg daily (especially aids hypertension)

 

Jackie

[Guest guest]

Do a liver flush you might also want to consider just doing a Total Body Cleanse while your at it. Look in the files of this group and that will give you direction. Ginanavy_rp <navy_rp wrote: I'm new to the group. I was referred to the group by a friend when I told her my dr. told me that I have a "fatty liver." Has anyone heard of this condition? What are some natural ways to improve the health of my liver?Have a Happy and Healthy Day, Gina Kopera

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Navy..

Look into megadosing with Vitamin 'C'... there is good data that it

actually flushes fat from the liver. Milk thistle will protect the

liver. The liver is regenerative so there is much that can be done for

this wonderful organ.. also clean diet and flushing with olive oil

will help as well..

blessings..

spot

 

herbal remedies , " navy_rp " <navy_rp wrote:

>

> I'm new to the group. I was referred to the group by a friend when

I

> told her my dr. told me that I have a " fatty liver. " Has anyone

heard

> of this condition? What are some natural ways to improve the health

of

> my liver?

>

[Guest guest]

I'm new as well. I'm Anastacia, I'm 30, a Pagan, married, an only child, and child free by choice. We have a wonderful cat named Zorro, who's our baby. I love knitting, crocheting, recycling, the environment, animals, etc. etc. We live in MA.

www.grannysquarewoman.blogspot.com

 

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Saturday, July 01, 2006 1:43 AM

new to group

 

 

 

Just a little note to introduce myself to you. My name is Jodie and I am a stay-at-home mother of three little boys.

My favorite flower is a white daisy. My hobbies include reading just about anything, movies, and just hanging out with friends and family. I love to shop for antiques. I live in Hallsville, Missouri.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi everyone, I am new to this group. My husband and I try to simplify our lives by alternative methods of doing everything. To help keep cholesterol and blood sugars in check, we take 3 Tablespoons of ground flax seed every morning in a glass of water. I grind my own flax. Am interested in hearing other natural rememdies that people use to help with diabetes.>>

 

I dont have diabetes but take a half teaspoon of fenugreek, and it is supposed to be good too for helping the body control diabetes. God Bless

 

..

[Guest guest]

For diabetes, use cinnamon. Also long daily fast walks / exercise bikes / stair machines help.

Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.

[Guest guest]

Hi Mary Ann

 

Welcome to the group. Thanks so much for the birthday greetings. That was

kind of you.

 

It's not the oils that are " dreaded " . At worst they are mediocre or not what

they claim to be (you never can tell with that company as they never TELL

you anything) and cost 3x what an honest non-MLM retailer will charge you.

And you're smart. You had the nose to smell that crook's bullshit. For some

reason most of the people who fall in with that crowd don't have a BS meter

or they're too desperate to turn it on. Or just plain stupid. Then of course

there are those who crooks and conmen themselves and are out for the

money...

 

And I'm getting side tracked.

 

Welcome to the list. It's one of the best out there for information. As for

ways to use oils without getting " busted " or annoying other folk... Have you

thought about making a personal perfume? Or... get one of those little vials

(and there are some beauts out there) that you wear around your neck, just

pull out the stopper when you're in dire need.

 

I'm with you on Sandalwood. I won a little bit of money in Reno last week

and I bought a whacking amount from Butch. I'm trying to devise new ways in

how to use it. But I'm a stingy " w " itch. When push comes to shove I have a

hard time using it... the same as for rose, I have bottles that I bought 2

or three years ago that I haven't even OPENED. >sigh<

 

Again I wander... old age! LOL!

 

Take care and again, Welcome

 

K

 

 

On 11/16/06, crochet.mama35 <crochet.mama35 wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm Mary Ann and I live in San Diego with my two cats and work at a

> law firm in Del Mar. As my name states, I love to crochet

> (although my first real choice was " rambo " after my high flying,

> death defying kitty but there are just too many Sylvester Stalone

> fans out there). Although I joined a few months back, work got

> totally insane and it wasn't until a few weeks ago that I actually

> started looking/reading through some of the old posts on this and the

> ATFE groups

>

> I too was introduced to AT by the dreaded YL a few years ago when I

> was going through some pretty trying emotional stuff (severe panic

> attacks etc.) by a friend/therapist at the time. Normally I have a

> very skeptical mind when it comes to things, but since it was someone

> I trusted and the oils seemed to work for me and I was pretty much in

> survival mode, I continued to use them despite feelings of unease

> that I just couldn't put my finger on. Ironically it was the man

> himself who started me on this particular journey after listening to

> one of his " poor me, everyone hates me " speeches on some training

> tapes I had bought earlier but never listened to until a few months

> ago. Despite my frustration with searching on the computer, I

> finally found Graham's website (after having to go through page after

> page of YL websites first of course). And Graham, a big THANK YOU!!!

> for your website (you saved one more) and getting me pointed in the

> right direction. Long story short, Graham's site led me to Marcia,

> then Kathleen (belated Happy birthday BTW) and then finally Butch who

> led me to here.

>

> I have to come clean and fess up to the fact that I do have all the

> YL oils (sigh :-{, if I only knew then what I know now) training

> tapes through 2004, a few books etc. if anyone would like to

> sniff/compare or peruse them I'm more than willing to share/compare.

>

> As for oils, my absolute favorite is Sandalwood followed by

> Frankincense, Ylang Ylang and Rose (Laender used to be in there but I

> tend to go back and forth on it nowadays). I have the Cooksley and

> Wormwood books, Butch just set me up with Martin's and Sylla's books

> and after reading post after post from Marge I'm anxiously waiting

> for Gabriel Mojay's book on oils for emotional healing.

>

> I would like some help/advice. As I said, I work for lawyers and it

> tends to get extremely stressful and I like to use the oils for

> grounding and keeping me energized when I have to work 10-12 hour

> days. Although most people on my floor like the oils, some people

> have complained and I'm trying to find a discrete way of being able

> to use them without having to run to the bathroom/outside for a quick

> fix. Sometimes I feel like I have to repeat to myself " I am not a

> crack addict, I am an oil addict - crack bad - oils good " when I'm

> sneaking around trying to use them without offending anyone. Right

> now I just open up the bottle and take a quick sniff but I wonder if

> there's a better way??

>

> Anyway, I'm thrilled to be here and am anxous to learn as much as I

> can even though my extra time is pretty limited right now.

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The Woobey Queen

Http://www.woobeyworld.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

thx for the great ideas Kathleen. Making my own perfume is a little

frightening right now since I'm re-educating myself in the proper use

of the oils on the body (thankfully I seem to be unscathed from all

the misinformation I had before). Lucky for me I've never been a

big " rah rah group mentality " person which probably kept me open to

all the other information out there once I was finally able to find

it.

 

BTW it's been really fun to go back and read the articles on your

website after reading old posts and getting to know the personalities

behind the names.

 

thx again and extremely happy to be here!!!

 

 

 

 

, " Woobey Queen "

<WoobeyQueen wrote:

>

> Hi Mary Ann

>

> Welcome to the group. Thanks so much for the birthday greetings.

That was

> kind of you.

>

> It's not the oils that are " dreaded " . At worst they are mediocre or

not what

> they claim to be (you never can tell with that company as they

never TELL

> you anything) and cost 3x what an honest non-MLM retailer will

charge you.

> And you're smart. You had the nose to smell that crook's bullshit.

For some

> reason most of the people who fall in with that crowd don't have a

BS meter

> or they're too desperate to turn it on. Or just plain stupid. Then

of course

> there are those who crooks and conmen themselves and are out for the

> money...

>

> And I'm getting side tracked.

>

> Welcome to the list. It's one of the best out there for

information. As for

> ways to use oils without getting " busted " or annoying other folk...

Have you

> thought about making a personal perfume? Or... get one of those

little vials

> (and there are some beauts out there) that you wear around your

neck, just

> pull out the stopper when you're in dire need.

>

> I'm with you on Sandalwood. I won a little bit of money in Reno

last week

> and I bought a whacking amount from Butch. I'm trying to devise new

ways in

> how to use it. But I'm a stingy " w " itch. When push comes to shove I

have a

> hard time using it... the same as for rose, I have bottles that I

bought 2

> or three years ago that I haven't even OPENED. >sigh<

>

> Again I wander... old age! LOL!

>

> Take care and again, Welcome

>

> K

>

>

> On 11/16/06, crochet.mama35 <crochet.mama35 wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm Mary Ann and I live in San Diego with my two cats and work at

a

> > law firm in Del Mar. As my name states, I love to crochet

> > (although my first real choice was " rambo " after my high flying,

> > death defying kitty but there are just too many Sylvester Stalone

> > fans out there). Although I joined a few months back, work got

> > totally insane and it wasn't until a few weeks ago that I actually

> > started looking/reading through some of the old posts on this and

the

> > ATFE groups

> >

> > I too was introduced to AT by the dreaded YL a few years ago when

I

> > was going through some pretty trying emotional stuff (severe panic

> > attacks etc.) by a friend/therapist at the time. Normally I have a

> > very skeptical mind when it comes to things, but since it was

someone

> > I trusted and the oils seemed to work for me and I was pretty

much in

> > survival mode, I continued to use them despite feelings of unease

> > that I just couldn't put my finger on. Ironically it was the man

> > himself who started me on this particular journey after listening

to

> > one of his " poor me, everyone hates me " speeches on some training

> > tapes I had bought earlier but never listened to until a few

months

> > ago. Despite my frustration with searching on the computer, I

> > finally found Graham's website (after having to go through page

after

> > page of YL websites first of course). And Graham, a big THANK

YOU!!!

> > for your website (you saved one more) and getting me pointed in

the

> > right direction. Long story short, Graham's site led me to Marcia,

> > then Kathleen (belated Happy birthday BTW) and then finally Butch

who

> > led me to here.

> >

> > I have to come clean and fess up to the fact that I do have all

the

> > YL oils (sigh :-{, if I only knew then what I know now) training

> > tapes through 2004, a few books etc. if anyone would like to

> > sniff/compare or peruse them I'm more than willing to

share/compare.

> >

> > As for oils, my absolute favorite is Sandalwood followed by

> > Frankincense, Ylang Ylang and Rose (Laender used to be in there

but I

> > tend to go back and forth on it nowadays). I have the Cooksley and

> > Wormwood books, Butch just set me up with Martin's and Sylla's

books

> > and after reading post after post from Marge I'm anxiously waiting

> > for Gabriel Mojay's book on oils for emotional healing.

> >

> > I would like some help/advice. As I said, I work for lawyers and

it

> > tends to get extremely stressful and I like to use the oils for

> > grounding and keeping me energized when I have to work 10-12 hour

> > days. Although most people on my floor like the oils, some people

> > have complained and I'm trying to find a discrete way of being

able

> > to use them without having to run to the bathroom/outside for a

quick

> > fix. Sometimes I feel like I have to repeat to myself " I am not a

> > crack addict, I am an oil addict - crack bad - oils good " when I'm

> > sneaking around trying to use them without offending anyone. Right

> > now I just open up the bottle and take a quick sniff but I wonder

if

> > there's a better way??

> >

> > Anyway, I'm thrilled to be here and am anxous to learn as much as

I

> > can even though my extra time is pretty limited right now.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Cheers!

> Kathleen Petrides

> The Woobey Queen

> Http://www.woobeyworld.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ø  I'm Mary Ann and I live in San Diego with my two cats and work at a

> law firm in Del Mar.

 

[Dave:]  Glad to have you here, Mary Ann!  My wife and I live in Escondido,

a little bit north of you.  I grew up in San Diego.  Sure has changed.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

--- " crochet.mama35 " <crochet.mama35 wrote:

> I would like some help/advice.

[snip]

> Although most people on my floor like the

> oils, some people

> have complained and I'm trying to find a discrete

> way of being able

> to use them without having to run to the

> bathroom/outside for a quick

> fix.

[snip]

 

Hi Mary Ann, KD here and welcome to most wonderful

group. I'd like to ask a few questions about your

work environment since you asked for suggestions:

 

What is your work environment like? I mean are you in

dilbert-cube-land? Or do you have your own office with

(or without) a door?

 

How were you using your oils when you got the

complaints?

 

Who complains? Where are they in the environment

(next cube or what?) and where are they in the

food-chain relative to you and your position.

 

Are you an employee or a contract person?

 

How good is your relationship with your immediate

superior and where are THEY in the food-chain? (ie if

you are executive assistant to the managing partner

and have been for 10 years, I would think you would be

safe to do whatever you wanted.)

 

Is your work space where clients might be nearby?

 

Does you firm have a specialty, if so, what is it

(advertisement, criminal defense, entertainment law

etc?)

 

What's office policy about persons who smoke? (Are

there any? Do they have to simply go outside, or to a

designated spot away from the front door, etc.)

 

Is there a written policy on perfume, smoking, dress

code or anything that might compare?

 

KD

 

--- " crochet.mama35 " <crochet.mama35 wrote:

 

> Hi,

>

> I'm Mary Ann and I live in San Diego with my two

> cats and work at a

> law firm in Del Mar. [snip]

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi KD (and David - thx for the welcome - I'll definitely have to make

it to Escondido one of these days and you're right - SD has really

changed in the 20 years I've been her).

 

> What is your work environment like? I mean are you in

> dilbert-cube-land? Or do you have your own office with

> (or without) a door?

 

unfortunately I'm in dilbert-land - think a big fish bowl with 20-30

people crammed in. The floor is designed so the attorney offices are

against the wall and the staff is in the middle of the floor at

secretarial stations/cubicles. Luckily I'm in a cubile with high

walls so although I'm out in the open floor, I do have a semblance of

privacy

 

> How were you using your oils when you got the

> complaints?

 

Mainly on the body (as a perfume) depending what was going on that

day (i.e. I would put on Lavender, grounding, peace and calming on a

particularly bad day). Occasionally if I started to have a panic

attack or needed energy, I would open the bottle and sniff

(especially when it comes to Peppermint - let's just say I learned

real early on the hard way what happens if you get too much

peppermint directly on the skin)

 

> Who complains? Where are they in the environment

> (next cube or what?) and where are they in the

> food-chain relative to you and your position.

 

Luckily only two people that I know of have said anything. One has

allergies (Jeanne) and has made the same kind of complaint about

other people and their perfume (among other things) in the past so I

didn't feel particularly singled out or worried about it. Plus she

sits on the other side of the floor so I don't have to deal with her

on a day to day basis. I do deal with her on a regular basis but it

can be done by e-mail some of the time, other times she has to come

to my desk or I have to go to hers.

 

The other lady was pregnant and unfortunately sits in the desk right

next to me. She felt really awful about saying anything but I told

the office manager I completely understood as although I've never

been pregnant, I've had enough friends who have been to know that

those hormones do crazy things to the body, something you normally

wouldn't think twice about can make you sick as a dog in a split

second. Right now she's on maternity leave but is expected back in a

month or so.

 

> Are you an employee or a contract person?

 

employee

 

 

> How good is your relationship with your immediate

> superior and where are THEY in the food-chain? (ie if

> you are executive assistant to the managing partner

> and have been for 10 years, I would think you would be

> safe to do whatever you wanted.)

 

I have a really bizzare situation since I'm the only one from

my " department " in this office. My actual boss is in Boston. We do

have an office manager and I have a pretty good relationship with

her. In fact when this all came up, we had a pretty good little

chat. I told her that I had to laugh because I had been using the

oils for quite a while before Jeanne said anything and if I was

having a particuarly bad day and using the oils, I would go out of my

way to limit my contact with her because I knew it bothered her.

 

> Is your work space where clients might be nearby?

 

nope, just staff on this floor

 

> Does you firm have a specialty, if so, what is it

> (advertisement, criminal defense, entertainment law

> etc?)

 

patent law

 

> What's office policy about persons who smoke? (Are

> there any? Do they have to simply go outside, or to a

> designated spot away from the front door, etc.)

 

this is California so all smokers must go outside to the back patio

behind the kitchen to smoke - no smoking allowed anywhere else in or

near the building

 

> Is there a written policy on perfume, smoking, dress

> code or anything that might compare?

 

only thing comparable is the standard " smell " policy of most offices -

no fish or popcorn in the microwave - if you want to do it, you have

to go to the main kitchen on the first floor away from all the

offices (and yes we've even gotten memos from admin from people

complaining when someone forgets and heats up tuna fish in the

microwave)

 

When I talked to the office manager, she told me that she couldn't

tell me " NOT " to use the oils as it wasn't against any written policy

per se. As I said, if it was just Jeanne, I wouldn't really think

twice but with Monica coming back and not knowing how she'll react

(will they still make her sick?) does concern me a little bit. It's

not really feasible to move either one of us.

 

Also, I have had some moments of dread when opening up a bottle and

hearing " what is that smell? " and have actually had attorney's come

out of their office looking for the source (yes, it's Mary Ann and

her oils yet again). Luckily every response in that situation so far

has been " oh no, I like it. It smells nice " but you never now.

Granted I could go ahead and do what I've been doing but I've been in

the law/office politics for 20 years so I know it's better to play

nice as much as possible.

 

thx again for taking the time to reply and any input is greatly

appreciated. I miss my oils. I pretty much quit using them when the

situation arose at work and having worked 10-12 hour days for the

last few months, I'm totally exhausted when I get home so all I want

to do is eat and go to bed. Plus, I've gotten overly cautious about

using the oils on my body after learning about all the sensitization

issues and have adopted the attitude " when in doubt and you're not

sure, DON'T " for now.

 

thx and have great day (actually night at this point).

 

Mary Ann

 

 

 

> KD

>

> --- " crochet.mama35 " <crochet.mama35 wrote:

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm Mary Ann and I live in San Diego with my two

> > cats and work at a

> > law firm in Del Mar. [snip]

>

>

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Hi MaryAnn,

 

Sorry to hear you are trapped in " prairie dog town " .

Further with your superior in a different office you

are in a rather delicate position politically. And

unfortunately, everyone already knows you are playing

with oils. Most likely no one consults with each

other on which (probably synthetic) perfume or cologne

they choose to wear each day, but you are now the

immediate target of attention since all seem to know

about your interest in the oils.

 

Lavender and peppermint hardly seems comparable to

tuna in the microwave.

 

Does anyone else consult their neighbors before using

a particularly aromatic cough lozenge? Or when they

come to work with Vicks VapoRub, BenGay, Tiger Balm,

or CarMex on the lips? In my experience, AT is on a

level with that at the most, and not an environmental

menace, especially outside of a high-walled cubical.

If they are THAT sensitive, they would probably react

to most herb teas! IMHO if they are THAT sensitive,

they are not really that sensitive, but rather looking

for a scapegoat, a political scapegoat and you don’t

want to be that!

 

You are diluting your oils when you put them on,

right? And you aren’t drenching your desk with a

puddle of EO, right?

 

Does Monica share your cube? Or is she next-door?

Each person is different, but she’s probably got quite

a different hormonal picture now that the baby has

been born. For that you will just have to wait and

see. Perhaps you can have a little private

conversation about your oils. Maybe take her to lunch

to celebrate her return and steer the conversation

towards the benefits of oils. Maybe even give her a

small gift based on your oils, an anti-stress or aid

to sleep formula. You might win her over as an

advocate rather than a problem.

 

I understand the delicacy of politics in a corporate

office. I was hoping you were in a firm that did

entertainment law or some other specialty that would

afford you a measure of creativity due to the general

ambiance, but unless I miss my guess patent law is

conservative, perhaps not quite like estate law on the

East Coast or banking, but no free thinkers or

creative dressers there I would expect.

 

Unfortunately, you seem to have a rather difficult

position. Attention for reasons outside of

mainstream, fast-track, hard-driving,

high-performance, work-a-holic accepted behaviour is

usually not a good idea in a conservative corporate

political environment. If you agree with this

statement in general and for your firm in particular,

I think I would make very subtle blends of diluted

oils for personal on-the-body use and call them “my

new perfume,” if asked, and stop wearing them if asked

often; I would do my inhalations out of the bottle

outside (in front of the building far away from the

smokers.) You can certainly justify leaving your desk

as often as any known smoker (might watch and count a

smoking co-worker’s trips), meanwhile you--and your

productivity--might very likely benefit from a quick

fresh air and EO break.

 

Wish I had a better solution for you, but that’s my

opinion for what it’s worth. Of course, there’s

always the “get a different job” route. ;-)

 

KD

 

--- " crochet.mama35 " <crochet.mama35 wrote:

 

> Hi KD (and David - thx for the welcome - I'll

> definitely have to make

> it to Escondido one of these days and you're right -

> SD has really

> changed in the 20 years I've been her).

>

> > What is your work environment like? I mean are

> you in

> > dilbert-cube-land? Or do you have your own office

> with

> > (or without) a door?

>

> unfortunately I'm in dilbert-land - think a big fish

> bowl with 20-30

> people crammed in. [snip]

 

 

 

 

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Hi KD,

 

thx for your reply.

 

> Sorry to hear you are trapped in " prairie dog town " .

 

that I am. we've even had people complain that other people

were " talking too loud " on the phone (again only 1 or 2 people out of

20-30 but as they say one bad apple ...). Guess they didn't have my

momma who taught me to just ignore it and focus on your own work

instead of getting irritated over every little thing and realize

everyone else is in the same boat. If the noise from machine and

people around me gets too loud, I just put on some headphones and

listen to music to drown out the noise.

 

> are in a rather delicate position politically.

 

true but I also have quit a bit of leeway as well. Since my boss is

in another office I technically can't be fired or have disciplinary

action by the SD administrator unless I commit some gross misconduct

of firm policies. And lucky for me (or maybe not) since I am the

only docketer in the office and the work load is extremely heavy

right now, I'd be very hard to replace so they pretty much leave me

alone and let me do my own thing. As long as I get the job done,

they don't mess with me for the most part.

 

> unfortunately, everyone already knows you are playing

> with oils.

 

that they do and for the most part I've gotten very positive

responses from secretaries and attorneys alike. If they ask

questions, it's usually " that smells really good - what is it? "

 

> You are diluting your oils when you put them on,

> right? And you aren't drenching your desk with a

> puddle of EO, right?

 

I am now after reading all the posts and information about

sensitization (unfortunately I too was under the misconception that

lavender was " safe " to use neat when I first started using the

oils). Other than using on my body as a perfume or taking a

quick " sniff " from the bottle on ocassion, my desk is a " scent free "

zone since I am basically out in the middle of the floor.

 

> Does Monica share your cube? Or is she next-door?

> Each person is different, but she's probably got quite

> a different hormonal picture now that the baby has

> been born. For that you will just have to wait and

> see. Perhaps you can have a little private

> conversation about your oils. Maybe take her to lunch

> to celebrate her return and steer the conversation

> towards the benefits of oils. Maybe even give her a

> small gift based on your oils, an anti-stress or aid

> to sleep formula. You might win her over as an

> advocate rather than a problem.

 

Monica sits in a desk right across from my cubicle and I have to walk

in front of her desk to enter and leave my cubicle. As I said she

felt really bad and didn't want to say anything but hormones rule in

pregnancy which is totally understanble. Thx for the great ideas on

how to handle things when she gets back. That's something I never

would have thought of and is a nice way to handle things.

 

> I understand the delicacy of politics in a corporate

> office. I was hoping you were in a firm that did

> entertainment law or some other specialty that would

> afford you a measure of creativity due to the general

> ambiance, but unless I miss my guess patent law is

> conservative, perhaps not quite like estate law on the

> East Coast or banking, but no free thinkers or

> creative dressers there I would expect.

 

Luckily my firm is a definite California firm and is pretty laid back

in at least the dress aspect (our managing partner comes in shorts

and hawaiian shirts most days). Most of the attorneys are in jeans

and polo shirts unless going to court or meeting clients. In fact

when people come from other offices, they're very happy because they

can dress down while here unlike their home office.

 

> Unfortunately, you seem to have a rather difficult

> position. Attention for reasons outside of

> mainstream, fast-track, hard-driving,

> high-performance, work-a-holic accepted behaviour is

> usually not a good idea in a conservative corporate

> political environment. If you agree with this

> statement in general and for your firm in particular,

> I think I would make very subtle blends of diluted

> oils for personal on-the-body use and call them " my

> new perfume, " if asked, and stop wearing them if asked

> often; I would do my inhalations out of the bottle

> outside (in front of the building far away from the

> smokers.) You can certainly justify leaving your desk

> as often as any known smoker (might watch and count a

> smoking co-worker's trips), meanwhile you--and your

> productivity--might very likely benefit from a quick

> fresh air and EO break.

 

> Wish I had a better solution for you, but that's my

> opinion for what it's worth. Of course, there's

> always the " get a different job " route. ;-)

 

I used to run to the bathroom in an extreme emergency for a sniff

when Monica was still here but ironically every single time I did

that, I would run smack dab into Jeanne in the bathroom as well

(that's where the " I have nothing to feel guility/ashamed about -

it's oils for heaven's sake - not crack!!! " attitude came from).

Same thing if I would go outside and put the oils on or sniff, who

would I see as soon as I came back inside??? Gotta love Murphy's

law - he definitely rules my life at times

 

You did give me some really great suggestions so thank you. I'll

still look into other options such as a jewelry or little dram bottle

but I think I'll probably go back to wearing them as a perfume since

that seems to work the best for me in keeping my stress/energy levels

on an even keel. I'll just have to make sure that the scent stays

very subtle and take my chances. If they tell me to stop, I'll

stop. I wore them for over a year before Jeanne said anything but

you're right, I don't want to call any negative attention to myself

since I am known as " the oil lady " in the office.

 

I keep trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up and

would love to get into the holistic/healing field (not sure as what

yet). I think it would be great to have a work environment that's

calm and peaceful with subdued voices, soft music, faint smell of

oils in the air, soft lighting, trickling water fountain in the

background - ahhhhhhh. take me away.

 

Unforuntely my cats do demand to be fed on a consistent basis and for

now I have my little job. For law firms, this actually is a really

good job compared to some others I've had. Whenever I tend to want

to run from the room screaming, I have to remind myself that despite

the stress levels and insanity at times, I'm extremely lucky in the

fact that as long as I get the job done, I'm pretty much left to my

own devices. I don't have anyone looking over my shoulder or

monitoring my every move which I have had in the past. I have to

tell myself " yes, it's insane but I can also take breaks when I need

to, I can ajdust my hours as I need to " so in the big scheme of

things, it works for me for now until I can get situated to get into

my true passion - aromatherapy and holistic healing.

 

again, thanks so much for all your advice and concern. You're right,

I can tell this is a great group of people and I feel extremely lucky

to have found you all.

 

Have a great day!!!

 

Mary Ann

[Guest guest]

> If they are THAT sensitive, they would probably react

> to most herb teas! IMHO if they are THAT sensitive,

> they are not really that sensitive, but rather looking

> for a scapegoat, a political scapegoat and you don't

> want to be that!

 

I think that is kind of insensitive to the people who do have chemical

sensitivities. I work with a woman who does, and yes...we all make a

conscious effort not to wear perfume or have scented candles or

anything else that has a strong aroma, in the office on the days she

works. I've even noticed that one of the women I work with that always

wore heavy perfume, doesn't wear either as much or any at all, since I

mentioned that synthetic fragrances give me a headache. I happen to

also be sensitive to lemongrass; the herb & the EO. I figured that out

after a number of incidents of throat tightening after eating Thai food

with lemongrass. I LOVE the scent of lemons so I always read the

labels to make sure my lemon scented products don't contain

lemongrass. It's probably genetic rather than sensitized, my sister

gets a TERRIBLE itch from any soap or lotion with lemongrass!!

 

And we all drink tea - " real " tea and herbal teas, with NO problems.

 

Sue

[Guest guest]

> I keep trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up and

> would love to get into the holistic/healing field (not sure as what

> yet). I think it would be great to have a work environment that's

> calm and peaceful with subdued voices, soft music, faint smell of

> oils in the air, soft lighting, trickling water fountain in the

> background - ahhhhhhh. take me away.

 

And then the reality; there is crying - sometimes hysterical crying,

coming from the healer's room who is doing emotional healing; there are

chanting tapes playing against the meditation tapes - tinklong bells

vs/. gongs vs. new age music. The subtle smell of aromatherapy

overshadowed by the strong overwhelming smell of Moxa coming from the

acupuncturists office...and every practitioner a passionate,

opinionated, person! It's only when you are the patient that you get

the healing or spa experience...for everyone working there...it's still

a job! :^} Usually a really high energy environment, not relaxing!!

 

For now, it sounds like you are dealing with some issues and chosing

aromatherapy to help.

 

What about using flower essences at work and aromatherapy on your

personal time so you can really benefit and enjoy them without worrying

who it might be bothering! Bach flower remedies are so wonderful!!

 

Sue

[Guest guest]

--- CT HERB <Email wrote:

 

> > If they are THAT sensitive, they would probably

> react

> > to most herb teas! IMHO if they are THAT

> sensitive,

> > they are not really that sensitive, but rather

> looking

> > for a scapegoat, a political scapegoat and you

> don't

> > want to be that!

>

> I think that is kind of insensitive to the people

> who do have chemical

> sensitivities.

 

Dear CT Herb: Yes, there are real chemical

sensitivities no doubt. But as you know, more are to

synthetic chemicals than to real EOs, and more are to

a few specific things than across-the-board. Let me

ask you this: Is your sensitivity so bad that if

someone opened a bottle of EO at her desk in another

cube with high walls, possibly 20-40 feet away, that

you would have any uncomfortable symptoms? If so,

then it would proably bother you if Mary Ann ate Thai

food, like Tom Kha Gai soup, in her cube too, right?

Without yet hearing your answer, I would guess that

it's possible but unlikely. Mostly because if it were

that bad, you probably would not be working there.

 

Lest you think I don't understand, I am one of the

ultra sensitives of the world and specialize in

treating same. Although I don't have any of the very

worst cases in my practice like those folks that have

to live in an organic cotton tent 10 miles from the

nearest village or cultivated field, but those folks

probably would not be, could not be, working in a

high-stress bullpen in a law office.

 

Most of the interpersonal problems in Dilbert Land

come from overcrowding and the stress of that

environment itself. Of course proximity does make any

chemical sensitivity problem worse, but what I mean

here and in the paragraph that you site, in its

context, is that such a high degree of reaction is

usually a political problem caused by folks being

literally on top of one another in (what I think is a

literally *sick & toxic*) work environment that breeds

political infighting. Better to remove oneself from

being a target if at all possible than to join in the

wrangling IMHO.

 

In Mary Ann's situation with a pregnant woman right

across from her open " door " then that could lead to

problems if the pregnant womans olfactory sense was

much more acute than usual due to her hormonal state.

Or if her co-worker were one of the people with real

and serious environmental sensitivities, but if that

were the case, it might reasonably be that it's more

in the environment than just a whiff of an EO. It

might be the building itself. Granted that might not

help MaryAnn in the short run, but just an

observation.

 

If Mary Ann had you across from her, she'd probably

want to avoid lemongrass, and you would probably tell

her what was bother you specifically. But from my

long past experience in corporate America's Dilbert

land, it has been my experience that if someone waits

6 months to notice that your oils (or any other usual

behaviour) from across the bullpen of 20 cubes is

bothering her, then it's probably not the oils

themselves.

 

Just a guess. Not meant to target anyone specifically

or as a group with chemical sensitivities--more a

comment on the state of corporate america and how to

avoid political problems if one is forced to work

there.

 

KD

 

 

 

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hi ivy im new to the group to my name is beth and ihave three children and have

been looking for alternative ways to cope with my youngest sons adhd and atism

 

Maria Ivy <ivy wrote: Hi everyone I am new to

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have always been interested in alternative healing. Hope to learn a

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Hi Beth:

A highly absorbed children's multi, and Fish oils fish oils, fish

oils. Also do some allergy testing with a naturopath..could be a

sensitivity..chemicals, food, ...etc

Vanessa

, beth delano

<beth_delano1998 wrote:

>

> hi ivy im new to the group to my name is beth and ihave three

children and have been looking for alternative ways to cope with my

youngest sons adhd and atism

>

> Maria Ivy <ivy wrote: Hi everyone I am new to group.

I am a Reiki Master/Practitioner and I

> have always been interested in alternative healing. Hope to learn a

> lot here. Blessings.

> Ivy.

 

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