Guest guest Report post Posted August 4, 2005 Hi Zonella, Welcome aboard! We have quite a few Texas soap/lotion/cream makers so I think you'll fit right in there Get comfy, make yourself at home and don't hesitate to jump right into the fun. Oh, and thanks for saying such nice things about the group, Cindy :-D *Smile* Chris (list mom - whose latest creative adventure is working on making the perfect shampoo and hair conditioner http://www.alittleolfactory.com On Behalf Of Zonella Gould Hi, My name is Zonella Gould, (Zo) I live on Lake Whitney in central Texas. I love making soap, lotions and creams and love to incorporate essential oils in my lotions and creams. Cindy of Pittstown Soapworks said this group was THE one to join. Looking forward to learning as much as I can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 4, 2005 Thank you. Zo Hi Zonella, Welcome aboard! We have quite a few Texas soap/lotion/cream makers so I think you'll fit right in there Get comfy, make yourself at home and don't hesitate to jump right into the fun. Oh, and thanks for saying such nice things about the group, Cindy :-D *Smile* Chris (list mom - whose latest creative adventure is working on making the perfect shampoo and hair conditioner http://www.alittleolfactory.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 19, 2005 Total Tonic and Echinacea formula love Lisa - lesley daley herbal remedies Monday, September 19, 2005 11:29 AM Herbal Remedies - new to group Hi im new to your group and i am looking for some advise for my auntie.she is a young 66 year old and fell last december she needs a hipreplacement but doctors havent been able to operate becouse of herhealth.she has a very bad chest infection that she cannot clear.i haveevery faith in herbal remedies but i havent got a clue which ones sheshould take i would be very gratefull for any advise.thanks lesley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 19, 2005 ........but doctors havent been able to operate becouse of her > health.she has a very bad chest infection that she cannot clear.i have > every faith in herbal remedies but i havent got a clue which ones she > should take i would be very gratefull for any advise. > thanks lesley I am not a dr. just teaching myself as I go, I have read Mullien, the herb that grows tall with a yellow spike, and leaves are light green and feel like flannel is good for lung infections and things related. Also, I had a friend last year just could not get over a chest infection.. she finally tried Oil of Oregano..(Buy from reputable place) the O of O finally kicked the infection. good luck to you both. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Hi, Tammy, nice to meet you. My name is Kim, or Riverwulf, and I am new too. I am a 34 yr old stay at home Mom, and would like to learn as much as I can about herbs and essential oils as I would like to earn money from home, or something like that, one of these days. :0) I have 2 children also. I keep all of my herbs and oils locked away in a high cabinet. Powerful things they are. gaia_829 <tammy wrote: hi everybody! I'm a new member to the group & just wanted to say hello & introduce myself. My name is Tammy, I'm an Aromatherapist & own a company called Gaia Aromatherapy that produces all natural Aromatherapy products - located in Southern California. I work from home so I can spend as much time as possible with my 2 kids (ages 2 & 4). I look forward to chatting with you all. Happy Thanksgiving! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Hi Tammy. Welcome to the list. Any relationship to Gaia Herbs? Gayla Roberts Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California Check out our SALE PAGE at www.bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenoughhobbysale.html A day without Bill Barnhill is like a day without sunshine! goatclearing http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html No one ever gets far unless he accomplishes the impossible at least once a day. Elbert Hubbard - " gaia_829 " <tammy Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:37 PM new to group > hi everybody! I'm a new member to the group & just wanted to say hello > & introduce myself. My name is Tammy, I'm an Aromatherapist & own a > company called Gaia Aromatherapy that produces all natural > Aromatherapy products - located in Southern California. I work from > home so I can spend as much time as possible with my 2 kids (ages 2 & 4). > I look forward to chatting with you all. Happy Thanksgiving! The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute > for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional. > > > Step By Step Instructions For Making Herbal Labna Cheese! So easy, SO > yummy! > http://www.aromaticsage.com/cz.htm > > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: > /join > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 2, 2006 Hi and welcome to the group......... I had panic attacks for years and still have them occasionally. The biggest thing that helped me was taking 400-600 mg of magnesium citrate a day and cutting out dairy. The supplement I take is a 1:1 ratio of calcium and magnesium. I take it in a powdered form and mix it with water and stevia. I split it up in 200 mg doses and take it first thing in the morning......at 4pm if I need to........and about 20 minutes before I go to bed. Has made all the difference in the world and I got off of buspar and xanax. Jeanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 2, 2006 Stacy, First off, Kava Kava isn't off the market - you can get it at www.mountainroseherbs.com along with many other herbs. I buy what I need there and make the capsules myself. They also sell the extract. I posted this recently but I'll post it again: Here's the recommendations in the book " The Miracle of Magnesium " by Carolyn Dean, M.D., N.D. Supplements for Heart Disease/high blood pressure Magnesium: 300 mg twice per day Coenzyme Q10: 30 mg three times a day Bromelain: 500 mg three times a day between meals Vitamin E as mixed tocopherols: 400 IU twice a day Crategus tincture: 20 drops two to three times a day Bioflavonoids rutin or quercetin: 500 mg daily Biotin: 5 mg daily for artherosclerosis add: Niacin (vitamin B3): 100 mg three times a day, working up to 6 g daily. Do not use time-release niacin, which has been associated with liver damage. Niacinamide (which does not cause flushing) is not effective for lowering cholesterol. Folic acid: 800 mcg daily Vitamin B6: 50 mg daily Vitamin B complex: 50 mg per day Vitamin C: 1,000 mg three times a day Calcium: 1,000 mg daily (especially aids hypertension) Jackie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 14, 2006 Do a liver flush you might also want to consider just doing a Total Body Cleanse while your at it. Look in the files of this group and that will give you direction. Ginanavy_rp <navy_rp wrote: I'm new to the group. I was referred to the group by a friend when I told her my dr. told me that I have a "fatty liver." Has anyone heard of this condition? What are some natural ways to improve the health of my liver?Have a Happy and Healthy Day, Gina Kopera Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 15, 2006 Navy.. Look into megadosing with Vitamin 'C'... there is good data that it actually flushes fat from the liver. Milk thistle will protect the liver. The liver is regenerative so there is much that can be done for this wonderful organ.. also clean diet and flushing with olive oil will help as well.. blessings.. spot herbal remedies , " navy_rp " <navy_rp wrote: > > I'm new to the group. I was referred to the group by a friend when I > told her my dr. told me that I have a " fatty liver. " Has anyone heard > of this condition? What are some natural ways to improve the health of > my liver? > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 1, 2006 I'm new as well. I'm Anastacia, I'm 30, a Pagan, married, an only child, and child free by choice. We have a wonderful cat named Zorro, who's our baby. I love knitting, crocheting, recycling, the environment, animals, etc. etc. We live in MA. www.grannysquarewoman.blogspot.com - Jodie Hamilton Saturday, July 01, 2006 1:43 AM new to group Just a little note to introduce myself to you. My name is Jodie and I am a stay-at-home mother of three little boys. My favorite flower is a white daisy. My hobbies include reading just about anything, movies, and just hanging out with friends and family. I love to shop for antiques. I live in Hallsville, Missouri. Jodie Hamiltonjhamilton002 Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release 6/30/2006 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 10, 2006 Hi everyone, I am new to this group. My husband and I try to simplify our lives by alternative methods of doing everything. To help keep cholesterol and blood sugars in check, we take 3 Tablespoons of ground flax seed every morning in a glass of water. I grind my own flax. Am interested in hearing other natural rememdies that people use to help with diabetes.>> I dont have diabetes but take a half teaspoon of fenugreek, and it is supposed to be good too for helping the body control diabetes. God Bless .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 10, 2006 For diabetes, use cinnamon. Also long daily fast walks / exercise bikes / stair machines help. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2006 Hi Mary Ann Welcome to the group. Thanks so much for the birthday greetings. That was kind of you. It's not the oils that are " dreaded " . At worst they are mediocre or not what they claim to be (you never can tell with that company as they never TELL you anything) and cost 3x what an honest non-MLM retailer will charge you. And you're smart. You had the nose to smell that crook's bullshit. For some reason most of the people who fall in with that crowd don't have a BS meter or they're too desperate to turn it on. Or just plain stupid. Then of course there are those who crooks and conmen themselves and are out for the money... And I'm getting side tracked. Welcome to the list. It's one of the best out there for information. As for ways to use oils without getting " busted " or annoying other folk... Have you thought about making a personal perfume? Or... get one of those little vials (and there are some beauts out there) that you wear around your neck, just pull out the stopper when you're in dire need. I'm with you on Sandalwood. I won a little bit of money in Reno last week and I bought a whacking amount from Butch. I'm trying to devise new ways in how to use it. But I'm a stingy " w " itch. When push comes to shove I have a hard time using it... the same as for rose, I have bottles that I bought 2 or three years ago that I haven't even OPENED. >sigh< Again I wander... old age! LOL! Take care and again, Welcome K On 11/16/06, crochet.mama35 <crochet.mama35 wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm Mary Ann and I live in San Diego with my two cats and work at a > law firm in Del Mar. As my name states, I love to crochet > (although my first real choice was " rambo " after my high flying, > death defying kitty but there are just too many Sylvester Stalone > fans out there). Although I joined a few months back, work got > totally insane and it wasn't until a few weeks ago that I actually > started looking/reading through some of the old posts on this and the > ATFE groups > > I too was introduced to AT by the dreaded YL a few years ago when I > was going through some pretty trying emotional stuff (severe panic > attacks etc.) by a friend/therapist at the time. Normally I have a > very skeptical mind when it comes to things, but since it was someone > I trusted and the oils seemed to work for me and I was pretty much in > survival mode, I continued to use them despite feelings of unease > that I just couldn't put my finger on. Ironically it was the man > himself who started me on this particular journey after listening to > one of his " poor me, everyone hates me " speeches on some training > tapes I had bought earlier but never listened to until a few months > ago. Despite my frustration with searching on the computer, I > finally found Graham's website (after having to go through page after > page of YL websites first of course). And Graham, a big THANK YOU!!! > for your website (you saved one more) and getting me pointed in the > right direction. Long story short, Graham's site led me to Marcia, > then Kathleen (belated Happy birthday BTW) and then finally Butch who > led me to here. > > I have to come clean and fess up to the fact that I do have all the > YL oils (sigh :-{, if I only knew then what I know now) training > tapes through 2004, a few books etc. if anyone would like to > sniff/compare or peruse them I'm more than willing to share/compare. > > As for oils, my absolute favorite is Sandalwood followed by > Frankincense, Ylang Ylang and Rose (Laender used to be in there but I > tend to go back and forth on it nowadays). I have the Cooksley and > Wormwood books, Butch just set me up with Martin's and Sylla's books > and after reading post after post from Marge I'm anxiously waiting > for Gabriel Mojay's book on oils for emotional healing. > > I would like some help/advice. As I said, I work for lawyers and it > tends to get extremely stressful and I like to use the oils for > grounding and keeping me energized when I have to work 10-12 hour > days. Although most people on my floor like the oils, some people > have complained and I'm trying to find a discrete way of being able > to use them without having to run to the bathroom/outside for a quick > fix. Sometimes I feel like I have to repeat to myself " I am not a > crack addict, I am an oil addict - crack bad - oils good " when I'm > sneaking around trying to use them without offending anyone. Right > now I just open up the bottle and take a quick sniff but I wonder if > there's a better way?? > > Anyway, I'm thrilled to be here and am anxous to learn as much as I > can even though my extra time is pretty limited right now. > > > -- Cheers! Kathleen Petrides The Woobey Queen Http://www.woobeyworld.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2006 thx for the great ideas Kathleen. Making my own perfume is a little frightening right now since I'm re-educating myself in the proper use of the oils on the body (thankfully I seem to be unscathed from all the misinformation I had before). Lucky for me I've never been a big " rah rah group mentality " person which probably kept me open to all the other information out there once I was finally able to find it. BTW it's been really fun to go back and read the articles on your website after reading old posts and getting to know the personalities behind the names. thx again and extremely happy to be here!!! , " Woobey Queen " <WoobeyQueen wrote: > > Hi Mary Ann > > Welcome to the group. Thanks so much for the birthday greetings. That was > kind of you. > > It's not the oils that are " dreaded " . At worst they are mediocre or not what > they claim to be (you never can tell with that company as they never TELL > you anything) and cost 3x what an honest non-MLM retailer will charge you. > And you're smart. You had the nose to smell that crook's bullshit. For some > reason most of the people who fall in with that crowd don't have a BS meter > or they're too desperate to turn it on. Or just plain stupid. Then of course > there are those who crooks and conmen themselves and are out for the > money... > > And I'm getting side tracked. > > Welcome to the list. It's one of the best out there for information. As for > ways to use oils without getting " busted " or annoying other folk... Have you > thought about making a personal perfume? Or... get one of those little vials > (and there are some beauts out there) that you wear around your neck, just > pull out the stopper when you're in dire need. > > I'm with you on Sandalwood. I won a little bit of money in Reno last week > and I bought a whacking amount from Butch. I'm trying to devise new ways in > how to use it. But I'm a stingy " w " itch. When push comes to shove I have a > hard time using it... the same as for rose, I have bottles that I bought 2 > or three years ago that I haven't even OPENED. >sigh< > > Again I wander... old age! LOL! > > Take care and again, Welcome > > K > > > On 11/16/06, crochet.mama35 <crochet.mama35 wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm Mary Ann and I live in San Diego with my two cats and work at a > > law firm in Del Mar. As my name states, I love to crochet > > (although my first real choice was " rambo " after my high flying, > > death defying kitty but there are just too many Sylvester Stalone > > fans out there). Although I joined a few months back, work got > > totally insane and it wasn't until a few weeks ago that I actually > > started looking/reading through some of the old posts on this and the > > ATFE groups > > > > I too was introduced to AT by the dreaded YL a few years ago when I > > was going through some pretty trying emotional stuff (severe panic > > attacks etc.) by a friend/therapist at the time. Normally I have a > > very skeptical mind when it comes to things, but since it was someone > > I trusted and the oils seemed to work for me and I was pretty much in > > survival mode, I continued to use them despite feelings of unease > > that I just couldn't put my finger on. Ironically it was the man > > himself who started me on this particular journey after listening to > > one of his " poor me, everyone hates me " speeches on some training > > tapes I had bought earlier but never listened to until a few months > > ago. Despite my frustration with searching on the computer, I > > finally found Graham's website (after having to go through page after > > page of YL websites first of course). And Graham, a big THANK YOU!!! > > for your website (you saved one more) and getting me pointed in the > > right direction. Long story short, Graham's site led me to Marcia, > > then Kathleen (belated Happy birthday BTW) and then finally Butch who > > led me to here. > > > > I have to come clean and fess up to the fact that I do have all the > > YL oils (sigh :-{, if I only knew then what I know now) training > > tapes through 2004, a few books etc. if anyone would like to > > sniff/compare or peruse them I'm more than willing to share/compare. > > > > As for oils, my absolute favorite is Sandalwood followed by > > Frankincense, Ylang Ylang and Rose (Laender used to be in there but I > > tend to go back and forth on it nowadays). I have the Cooksley and > > Wormwood books, Butch just set me up with Martin's and Sylla's books > > and after reading post after post from Marge I'm anxiously waiting > > for Gabriel Mojay's book on oils for emotional healing. > > > > I would like some help/advice. As I said, I work for lawyers and it > > tends to get extremely stressful and I like to use the oils for > > grounding and keeping me energized when I have to work 10-12 hour > > days. Although most people on my floor like the oils, some people > > have complained and I'm trying to find a discrete way of being able > > to use them without having to run to the bathroom/outside for a quick > > fix. Sometimes I feel like I have to repeat to myself " I am not a > > crack addict, I am an oil addict - crack bad - oils good " when I'm > > sneaking around trying to use them without offending anyone. Right > > now I just open up the bottle and take a quick sniff but I wonder if > > there's a better way?? > > > > Anyway, I'm thrilled to be here and am anxous to learn as much as I > > can even though my extra time is pretty limited right now. > > > > > > > > > > -- > Cheers! > Kathleen Petrides > The Woobey Queen > Http://www.woobeyworld.com > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2006 Ø I'm Mary Ann and I live in San Diego with my two cats and work at a > law firm in Del Mar. [Dave:] Glad to have you here, Mary Ann! My wife and I live in Escondido, a little bit north of you. I grew up in San Diego. Sure has changed. -- Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release 11/16/2006 -- Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release 11/16/2006 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2006 --- " crochet.mama35 " <crochet.mama35 wrote: > I would like some help/advice. [snip] > Although most people on my floor like the > oils, some people > have complained and I'm trying to find a discrete > way of being able > to use them without having to run to the > bathroom/outside for a quick > fix. [snip] Hi Mary Ann, KD here and welcome to most wonderful group. I'd like to ask a few questions about your work environment since you asked for suggestions: What is your work environment like? I mean are you in dilbert-cube-land? Or do you have your own office with (or without) a door? How were you using your oils when you got the complaints? Who complains? Where are they in the environment (next cube or what?) and where are they in the food-chain relative to you and your position. Are you an employee or a contract person? How good is your relationship with your immediate superior and where are THEY in the food-chain? (ie if you are executive assistant to the managing partner and have been for 10 years, I would think you would be safe to do whatever you wanted.) Is your work space where clients might be nearby? Does you firm have a specialty, if so, what is it (advertisement, criminal defense, entertainment law etc?) What's office policy about persons who smoke? (Are there any? Do they have to simply go outside, or to a designated spot away from the front door, etc.) Is there a written policy on perfume, smoking, dress code or anything that might compare? KD --- " crochet.mama35 " <crochet.mama35 wrote: > Hi, > > I'm Mary Ann and I live in San Diego with my two > cats and work at a > law firm in Del Mar. [snip] ______________________________\ ____ Sponsored Link $420k for $1,399/mo. Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2006 Hi KD (and David - thx for the welcome - I'll definitely have to make it to Escondido one of these days and you're right - SD has really changed in the 20 years I've been her). > What is your work environment like? I mean are you in > dilbert-cube-land? Or do you have your own office with > (or without) a door? unfortunately I'm in dilbert-land - think a big fish bowl with 20-30 people crammed in. The floor is designed so the attorney offices are against the wall and the staff is in the middle of the floor at secretarial stations/cubicles. Luckily I'm in a cubile with high walls so although I'm out in the open floor, I do have a semblance of privacy > How were you using your oils when you got the > complaints? Mainly on the body (as a perfume) depending what was going on that day (i.e. I would put on Lavender, grounding, peace and calming on a particularly bad day). Occasionally if I started to have a panic attack or needed energy, I would open the bottle and sniff (especially when it comes to Peppermint - let's just say I learned real early on the hard way what happens if you get too much peppermint directly on the skin) > Who complains? Where are they in the environment > (next cube or what?) and where are they in the > food-chain relative to you and your position. Luckily only two people that I know of have said anything. One has allergies (Jeanne) and has made the same kind of complaint about other people and their perfume (among other things) in the past so I didn't feel particularly singled out or worried about it. Plus she sits on the other side of the floor so I don't have to deal with her on a day to day basis. I do deal with her on a regular basis but it can be done by e-mail some of the time, other times she has to come to my desk or I have to go to hers. The other lady was pregnant and unfortunately sits in the desk right next to me. She felt really awful about saying anything but I told the office manager I completely understood as although I've never been pregnant, I've had enough friends who have been to know that those hormones do crazy things to the body, something you normally wouldn't think twice about can make you sick as a dog in a split second. Right now she's on maternity leave but is expected back in a month or so. > Are you an employee or a contract person? employee > How good is your relationship with your immediate > superior and where are THEY in the food-chain? (ie if > you are executive assistant to the managing partner > and have been for 10 years, I would think you would be > safe to do whatever you wanted.) I have a really bizzare situation since I'm the only one from my " department " in this office. My actual boss is in Boston. We do have an office manager and I have a pretty good relationship with her. In fact when this all came up, we had a pretty good little chat. I told her that I had to laugh because I had been using the oils for quite a while before Jeanne said anything and if I was having a particuarly bad day and using the oils, I would go out of my way to limit my contact with her because I knew it bothered her. > Is your work space where clients might be nearby? nope, just staff on this floor > Does you firm have a specialty, if so, what is it > (advertisement, criminal defense, entertainment law > etc?) patent law > What's office policy about persons who smoke? (Are > there any? Do they have to simply go outside, or to a > designated spot away from the front door, etc.) this is California so all smokers must go outside to the back patio behind the kitchen to smoke - no smoking allowed anywhere else in or near the building > Is there a written policy on perfume, smoking, dress > code or anything that might compare? only thing comparable is the standard " smell " policy of most offices - no fish or popcorn in the microwave - if you want to do it, you have to go to the main kitchen on the first floor away from all the offices (and yes we've even gotten memos from admin from people complaining when someone forgets and heats up tuna fish in the microwave) When I talked to the office manager, she told me that she couldn't tell me " NOT " to use the oils as it wasn't against any written policy per se. As I said, if it was just Jeanne, I wouldn't really think twice but with Monica coming back and not knowing how she'll react (will they still make her sick?) does concern me a little bit. It's not really feasible to move either one of us. Also, I have had some moments of dread when opening up a bottle and hearing " what is that smell? " and have actually had attorney's come out of their office looking for the source (yes, it's Mary Ann and her oils yet again). Luckily every response in that situation so far has been " oh no, I like it. It smells nice " but you never now. Granted I could go ahead and do what I've been doing but I've been in the law/office politics for 20 years so I know it's better to play nice as much as possible. thx again for taking the time to reply and any input is greatly appreciated. I miss my oils. I pretty much quit using them when the situation arose at work and having worked 10-12 hour days for the last few months, I'm totally exhausted when I get home so all I want to do is eat and go to bed. Plus, I've gotten overly cautious about using the oils on my body after learning about all the sensitization issues and have adopted the attitude " when in doubt and you're not sure, DON'T " for now. thx and have great day (actually night at this point). Mary Ann > KD > > --- " crochet.mama35 " <crochet.mama35 wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm Mary Ann and I live in San Diego with my two > > cats and work at a > > law firm in Del Mar. [snip] > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Sponsored Link > > $420k for $1,399/mo. > Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? > Find Out! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2006 Hi MaryAnn, Sorry to hear you are trapped in " prairie dog town " . Further with your superior in a different office you are in a rather delicate position politically. And unfortunately, everyone already knows you are playing with oils. Most likely no one consults with each other on which (probably synthetic) perfume or cologne they choose to wear each day, but you are now the immediate target of attention since all seem to know about your interest in the oils. Lavender and peppermint hardly seems comparable to tuna in the microwave. Does anyone else consult their neighbors before using a particularly aromatic cough lozenge? Or when they come to work with Vicks VapoRub, BenGay, Tiger Balm, or CarMex on the lips? In my experience, AT is on a level with that at the most, and not an environmental menace, especially outside of a high-walled cubical. If they are THAT sensitive, they would probably react to most herb teas! IMHO if they are THAT sensitive, they are not really that sensitive, but rather looking for a scapegoat, a political scapegoat and you don’t want to be that! You are diluting your oils when you put them on, right? And you aren’t drenching your desk with a puddle of EO, right? Does Monica share your cube? Or is she next-door? Each person is different, but she’s probably got quite a different hormonal picture now that the baby has been born. For that you will just have to wait and see. Perhaps you can have a little private conversation about your oils. Maybe take her to lunch to celebrate her return and steer the conversation towards the benefits of oils. Maybe even give her a small gift based on your oils, an anti-stress or aid to sleep formula. You might win her over as an advocate rather than a problem. I understand the delicacy of politics in a corporate office. I was hoping you were in a firm that did entertainment law or some other specialty that would afford you a measure of creativity due to the general ambiance, but unless I miss my guess patent law is conservative, perhaps not quite like estate law on the East Coast or banking, but no free thinkers or creative dressers there I would expect. Unfortunately, you seem to have a rather difficult position. Attention for reasons outside of mainstream, fast-track, hard-driving, high-performance, work-a-holic accepted behaviour is usually not a good idea in a conservative corporate political environment. If you agree with this statement in general and for your firm in particular, I think I would make very subtle blends of diluted oils for personal on-the-body use and call them “my new perfume,” if asked, and stop wearing them if asked often; I would do my inhalations out of the bottle outside (in front of the building far away from the smokers.) You can certainly justify leaving your desk as often as any known smoker (might watch and count a smoking co-worker’s trips), meanwhile you--and your productivity--might very likely benefit from a quick fresh air and EO break. Wish I had a better solution for you, but that’s my opinion for what it’s worth. Of course, there’s always the “get a different job” route. ;-) KD --- " crochet.mama35 " <crochet.mama35 wrote: > Hi KD (and David - thx for the welcome - I'll > definitely have to make > it to Escondido one of these days and you're right - > SD has really > changed in the 20 years I've been her). > > > What is your work environment like? I mean are > you in > > dilbert-cube-land? Or do you have your own office > with > > (or without) a door? > > unfortunately I'm in dilbert-land - think a big fish > bowl with 20-30 > people crammed in. [snip] ______________________________\ ____ Sponsored Link Compare mortgage rates for today. Get up to 5 free quotes. Www2.nextag.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2006 Hi KD, thx for your reply. > Sorry to hear you are trapped in " prairie dog town " . that I am. we've even had people complain that other people were " talking too loud " on the phone (again only 1 or 2 people out of 20-30 but as they say one bad apple ...). Guess they didn't have my momma who taught me to just ignore it and focus on your own work instead of getting irritated over every little thing and realize everyone else is in the same boat. If the noise from machine and people around me gets too loud, I just put on some headphones and listen to music to drown out the noise. > are in a rather delicate position politically. true but I also have quit a bit of leeway as well. Since my boss is in another office I technically can't be fired or have disciplinary action by the SD administrator unless I commit some gross misconduct of firm policies. And lucky for me (or maybe not) since I am the only docketer in the office and the work load is extremely heavy right now, I'd be very hard to replace so they pretty much leave me alone and let me do my own thing. As long as I get the job done, they don't mess with me for the most part. > unfortunately, everyone already knows you are playing > with oils. that they do and for the most part I've gotten very positive responses from secretaries and attorneys alike. If they ask questions, it's usually " that smells really good - what is it? " > You are diluting your oils when you put them on, > right? And you aren't drenching your desk with a > puddle of EO, right? I am now after reading all the posts and information about sensitization (unfortunately I too was under the misconception that lavender was " safe " to use neat when I first started using the oils). Other than using on my body as a perfume or taking a quick " sniff " from the bottle on ocassion, my desk is a " scent free " zone since I am basically out in the middle of the floor. > Does Monica share your cube? Or is she next-door? > Each person is different, but she's probably got quite > a different hormonal picture now that the baby has > been born. For that you will just have to wait and > see. Perhaps you can have a little private > conversation about your oils. Maybe take her to lunch > to celebrate her return and steer the conversation > towards the benefits of oils. Maybe even give her a > small gift based on your oils, an anti-stress or aid > to sleep formula. You might win her over as an > advocate rather than a problem. Monica sits in a desk right across from my cubicle and I have to walk in front of her desk to enter and leave my cubicle. As I said she felt really bad and didn't want to say anything but hormones rule in pregnancy which is totally understanble. Thx for the great ideas on how to handle things when she gets back. That's something I never would have thought of and is a nice way to handle things. > I understand the delicacy of politics in a corporate > office. I was hoping you were in a firm that did > entertainment law or some other specialty that would > afford you a measure of creativity due to the general > ambiance, but unless I miss my guess patent law is > conservative, perhaps not quite like estate law on the > East Coast or banking, but no free thinkers or > creative dressers there I would expect. Luckily my firm is a definite California firm and is pretty laid back in at least the dress aspect (our managing partner comes in shorts and hawaiian shirts most days). Most of the attorneys are in jeans and polo shirts unless going to court or meeting clients. In fact when people come from other offices, they're very happy because they can dress down while here unlike their home office. > Unfortunately, you seem to have a rather difficult > position. Attention for reasons outside of > mainstream, fast-track, hard-driving, > high-performance, work-a-holic accepted behaviour is > usually not a good idea in a conservative corporate > political environment. If you agree with this > statement in general and for your firm in particular, > I think I would make very subtle blends of diluted > oils for personal on-the-body use and call them " my > new perfume, " if asked, and stop wearing them if asked > often; I would do my inhalations out of the bottle > outside (in front of the building far away from the > smokers.) You can certainly justify leaving your desk > as often as any known smoker (might watch and count a > smoking co-worker's trips), meanwhile you--and your > productivity--might very likely benefit from a quick > fresh air and EO break. > Wish I had a better solution for you, but that's my > opinion for what it's worth. Of course, there's > always the " get a different job " route. ;-) I used to run to the bathroom in an extreme emergency for a sniff when Monica was still here but ironically every single time I did that, I would run smack dab into Jeanne in the bathroom as well (that's where the " I have nothing to feel guility/ashamed about - it's oils for heaven's sake - not crack!!! " attitude came from). Same thing if I would go outside and put the oils on or sniff, who would I see as soon as I came back inside??? Gotta love Murphy's law - he definitely rules my life at times You did give me some really great suggestions so thank you. I'll still look into other options such as a jewelry or little dram bottle but I think I'll probably go back to wearing them as a perfume since that seems to work the best for me in keeping my stress/energy levels on an even keel. I'll just have to make sure that the scent stays very subtle and take my chances. If they tell me to stop, I'll stop. I wore them for over a year before Jeanne said anything but you're right, I don't want to call any negative attention to myself since I am known as " the oil lady " in the office. I keep trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up and would love to get into the holistic/healing field (not sure as what yet). I think it would be great to have a work environment that's calm and peaceful with subdued voices, soft music, faint smell of oils in the air, soft lighting, trickling water fountain in the background - ahhhhhhh. take me away. Unforuntely my cats do demand to be fed on a consistent basis and for now I have my little job. For law firms, this actually is a really good job compared to some others I've had. Whenever I tend to want to run from the room screaming, I have to remind myself that despite the stress levels and insanity at times, I'm extremely lucky in the fact that as long as I get the job done, I'm pretty much left to my own devices. I don't have anyone looking over my shoulder or monitoring my every move which I have had in the past. I have to tell myself " yes, it's insane but I can also take breaks when I need to, I can ajdust my hours as I need to " so in the big scheme of things, it works for me for now until I can get situated to get into my true passion - aromatherapy and holistic healing. again, thanks so much for all your advice and concern. You're right, I can tell this is a great group of people and I feel extremely lucky to have found you all. Have a great day!!! Mary Ann Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 18, 2006 > If they are THAT sensitive, they would probably react > to most herb teas! IMHO if they are THAT sensitive, > they are not really that sensitive, but rather looking > for a scapegoat, a political scapegoat and you don't > want to be that! I think that is kind of insensitive to the people who do have chemical sensitivities. I work with a woman who does, and yes...we all make a conscious effort not to wear perfume or have scented candles or anything else that has a strong aroma, in the office on the days she works. I've even noticed that one of the women I work with that always wore heavy perfume, doesn't wear either as much or any at all, since I mentioned that synthetic fragrances give me a headache. I happen to also be sensitive to lemongrass; the herb & the EO. I figured that out after a number of incidents of throat tightening after eating Thai food with lemongrass. I LOVE the scent of lemons so I always read the labels to make sure my lemon scented products don't contain lemongrass. It's probably genetic rather than sensitized, my sister gets a TERRIBLE itch from any soap or lotion with lemongrass!! And we all drink tea - " real " tea and herbal teas, with NO problems. Sue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 18, 2006 > I keep trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up and > would love to get into the holistic/healing field (not sure as what > yet). I think it would be great to have a work environment that's > calm and peaceful with subdued voices, soft music, faint smell of > oils in the air, soft lighting, trickling water fountain in the > background - ahhhhhhh. take me away. And then the reality; there is crying - sometimes hysterical crying, coming from the healer's room who is doing emotional healing; there are chanting tapes playing against the meditation tapes - tinklong bells vs/. gongs vs. new age music. The subtle smell of aromatherapy overshadowed by the strong overwhelming smell of Moxa coming from the acupuncturists office...and every practitioner a passionate, opinionated, person! It's only when you are the patient that you get the healing or spa experience...for everyone working there...it's still a job! :^} Usually a really high energy environment, not relaxing!! For now, it sounds like you are dealing with some issues and chosing aromatherapy to help. What about using flower essences at work and aromatherapy on your personal time so you can really benefit and enjoy them without worrying who it might be bothering! Bach flower remedies are so wonderful!! Sue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 18, 2006 --- CT HERB <Email wrote: > > If they are THAT sensitive, they would probably > react > > to most herb teas! IMHO if they are THAT > sensitive, > > they are not really that sensitive, but rather > looking > > for a scapegoat, a political scapegoat and you > don't > > want to be that! > > I think that is kind of insensitive to the people > who do have chemical > sensitivities. Dear CT Herb: Yes, there are real chemical sensitivities no doubt. But as you know, more are to synthetic chemicals than to real EOs, and more are to a few specific things than across-the-board. Let me ask you this: Is your sensitivity so bad that if someone opened a bottle of EO at her desk in another cube with high walls, possibly 20-40 feet away, that you would have any uncomfortable symptoms? If so, then it would proably bother you if Mary Ann ate Thai food, like Tom Kha Gai soup, in her cube too, right? Without yet hearing your answer, I would guess that it's possible but unlikely. Mostly because if it were that bad, you probably would not be working there. Lest you think I don't understand, I am one of the ultra sensitives of the world and specialize in treating same. Although I don't have any of the very worst cases in my practice like those folks that have to live in an organic cotton tent 10 miles from the nearest village or cultivated field, but those folks probably would not be, could not be, working in a high-stress bullpen in a law office. Most of the interpersonal problems in Dilbert Land come from overcrowding and the stress of that environment itself. Of course proximity does make any chemical sensitivity problem worse, but what I mean here and in the paragraph that you site, in its context, is that such a high degree of reaction is usually a political problem caused by folks being literally on top of one another in (what I think is a literally *sick & toxic*) work environment that breeds political infighting. Better to remove oneself from being a target if at all possible than to join in the wrangling IMHO. In Mary Ann's situation with a pregnant woman right across from her open " door " then that could lead to problems if the pregnant womans olfactory sense was much more acute than usual due to her hormonal state. Or if her co-worker were one of the people with real and serious environmental sensitivities, but if that were the case, it might reasonably be that it's more in the environment than just a whiff of an EO. It might be the building itself. Granted that might not help MaryAnn in the short run, but just an observation. If Mary Ann had you across from her, she'd probably want to avoid lemongrass, and you would probably tell her what was bother you specifically. But from my long past experience in corporate America's Dilbert land, it has been my experience that if someone waits 6 months to notice that your oils (or any other usual behaviour) from across the bullpen of 20 cubes is bothering her, then it's probably not the oils themselves. Just a guess. Not meant to target anyone specifically or as a group with chemical sensitivities--more a comment on the state of corporate america and how to avoid political problems if one is forced to work there. KD ______________________________\ ____ Sponsored Link $420k for $1,399/mo. Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 19, 2006 hi ivy im new to the group to my name is beth and ihave three children and have been looking for alternative ways to cope with my youngest sons adhd and atism Maria Ivy <ivy wrote: Hi everyone I am new to group. I am a Reiki Master/Practitioner and I have always been interested in alternative healing. Hope to learn a lot here. Blessings. Ivy. Sponsored Link $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/month - Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 20, 2006 Hi Beth: A highly absorbed children's multi, and Fish oils fish oils, fish oils. Also do some allergy testing with a naturopath..could be a sensitivity..chemicals, food, ...etc Vanessa , beth delano <beth_delano1998 wrote: > > hi ivy im new to the group to my name is beth and ihave three children and have been looking for alternative ways to cope with my youngest sons adhd and atism > > Maria Ivy <ivy wrote: Hi everyone I am new to group. I am a Reiki Master/Practitioner and I > have always been interested in alternative healing. Hope to learn a > lot here. Blessings. > Ivy. > Sponsored Link > > $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/month - Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites