Guest guest Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Oops... It was late when I wrote that. I believe she had her GB during the first episode and then it was removed afterwards when the GB surgery was the flavor of the month surgery.. On the more recent attack, her GB was out. Since excess fat is usually a problem for people s GB, does this situation put extra demand on the pancreas? Geoff ______________________ Message: 10 Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:25:26 -0600 " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus Re: Re: Atkins acute pancreatitis >>>Does she have gallbladder trouble? Did she have a history of >>>pancreatitis? alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 15, 2004 measure of power, or the exertion of energy over time. >>>That is my question what is a watt of power which is not calculated from electrical information? I know the formulas in electricity but not for any other watt. Thanks ALon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Oops... It was late when I wrote that. I believe she had her GB during the first episode and then it was removed afterwards when the GB surgery was the flavor of the month surgery.. On the more recent attack, her GB was out. Since excess fat is usually a problem for people s GB, does this situation put extra demand on the pancreas? >>>>She is at a much greater risk for pancreas problems, also she may have problem with scaring at her temporary which easily result in pancreatic inflammation alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 15, 2004 I can't imagine that someone who is seriously training for an endurance event can get along on 100g of carbohydrates per day (Atkins maintenance level) and still work out for two or three hours at a time. I am skeptical of an athlete reporting that they both comply with this recommendation and train for endurance events. >>>>>Guy you did not answer the question of what is a human Watt. Also the carb gram amount in the so-called Atkins program changes depending on one's body type and activity, ie their ability to control insulin. I can tell you however that the liver can still storage plenty of glycogen for endurance events as many athletes are now doing Alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 16, 2004 Alon: There is no human watt. Whenever useful work is done, it can be measured in a variety of ways, and the watt is one unit of measure. Whenever energy is expended and no useful work is done, then the energy is expended as heat, and one measure of that is the kilocalorie. An analogy might be that there is no human meter, but you can measure the height of humans in meters. As for the liver storage of glycogen... Todd had talked about a slow burn and I had insisted from experience that the burn rate was too slow for good endurance performance. So do you have any data about how many carbs the endurance athletes who you know/treat consume daily? Guy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 16, 2004 Alon: If you can see how to convert human work to horsepower, you are almost all the way there. You just need to do a simple conversion. Here is the formula: HP X (0.7457) = Kilowatts. Divide by 1000 to get watts, if you like. Guy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 16, 2004 So do you have any data about how many carbs the endurance athletes who you know/treat consume daily? >>>>>They are at about 150g. I still do not see how you can calculate the work a human does in watts. I know how to do it in horse power for example but how do you do it in watts? Alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 16, 2004 , " ALON MARCUS " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > >>>>>They are at about 150g. I still do not see how you can calculate the work a human does in watts. I know how to do it in horse power for example but how do you do it in watts? It is just simple math if you can already measuring the horsepower. I already posted the definition of a watt, in which it was said that a Watt = 1/746 horsepower. So, if you measure 1 horsepower, that would be 746 Watts. Brian C. Allen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 16, 2004 What about constipation and the need for fiber? I know constipation is a problem on the Atkins diet. Whole grains are very beneficial for this, in a way veggies are often not. < wrote: , " ALON MARCUS " < alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > at least as healthy as a brown rice and veggies diet and works much > better for weight loss and long term maintenance. if you read the > atkins website, you will see that the hype about a life of bacon and > beef is decidedly NOT what they recommend at this point. They are > strong vocal detractors of sugar and white flour > >>>>Todd does evidence matters? not to many if it collides with their feelings Alon as we all know, the ONLY consistently reproducible studies on longevity and health involve calorie restriction. NOTHING else has been shown to reliably increase lifespan in any animal. the atkins diet is a low calorie diet, which is another thing I think many people do not know. And the reason it is easier to maintain a low calorie atkins vs. a low cal macrobiotic is that the high carb diet messes with insulin and appetite, even the whole grains. a little meat is satisfying. A little bread is not. I personally have an ethical problem with meat consumption that I have wrestled with for years, so atkins does not work for me, but it takes me immense discipline to not overdo the carbs at times. so if you don't mind eating meat, for many I think atkins may be their only hope of good health. Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 16, 2004 There is no doubt about this. On Jan 16, 2004, at 12:03 PM, wrote: > What about constipation and the need for fiber? I know constipation > is a problem on the Atkins diet. Whole grains are very beneficial for > this, in a way veggies are often not. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 16, 2004 What about constipation and the need for fiber? I know constipation is a problem on the Atkins diet. Whole grains are very beneficial for this, in a way veggies are often not. >>>>You can always add fiber alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 16, 2004 Alon: If you can see how to convert human work to horsepower, you are almost all the way there. You just need to do a simple conversion. Here is the formula: HP X (0.7457) = Kilowatts. Divide by 1000 to get watts, if you like. >>>>>I read a lot of physical med literature and have never seen Watts used. There are many other type of units used in human studies but again never seen watts. Do you have any ref Alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 16, 2004 , " ALON MARCUS " < alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > What about constipation and the need for fiber? I know constipation is a problem on the Atkins diet. Whole grains are very beneficial for this, in a way veggies are often not. > >>>>You can always add fiber crushed flax seeds add only a few carbs and work quite well at regulating bowels, IMO. they work for both diarrhea and constipation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 17, 2004 We should be careful not to judge certain diets, treatments, etc. based on whether people turn it into a fad. It should based soundly on its quality. Biochemical medicine was the fad of the early 20th century(not the greatest example).Let's face it, acupuncture and TCM is quickly becoming one of the next fads. Fads will endure the test of time only if they are real, they just won't continue to be as popular. Maybe we could generate a list of well constructed diet programs that we can suggest to our patients which could integrate our medicine (ie Atkins for damp constitutions,etc.)and their socio-psychological-economic condition.Maybe with our knowledge on how food affects the body, we can help people make good choices that will also be therapeutic and more relevant to american culture.I think different diets suit different people and as long as they are not dangerous or radical and are easy for the person,beneficial. Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 17, 2004 Recommended by Atkins for constipation is supplementation with Flax oil. My parents were on Atkins and this succesfully solved the problem. Is there a TCM equivalent? Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 17, 2004 crushed flax seeds add only a few carbs and work quite well at regulating bowels, IMO. they work for both diarrhea and constipation. >>>You can also get standardized flex that has high omegas alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 17, 2004 Maybe we could generate a list of well constructed diet programs that we can suggest to our patients which could integrate our medicine (ie Atkins for damp constitutions,etc.)and their socio-psychological-economic condition.Maybe with our knowledge on how food affects the body, we can help people make good choices that will also be therapeutic and more relevant to american culture.I think different diets suit different people and as long as they are not dangerous or radical and are easy for the person,beneficial. >>>>>It would be nice but diet is the most difficult part of patient care. I find it very difficult to change patients diets alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 17, 2004 I thought whole flax was used more to promote the bowels, whereas crushed flax allows the body to access the Omega 3s. I suppose if the crushed is equally effective to move the bowels then they are a better choice. Comments? -Tim Sharpe , crushed flax seeds add only a few carbs and work quite well at regulating bowels, IMO. they work for both diarrhea and constipation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 17, 2004 , " Tim Sharpe " <listserve@d...> wrote: > I thought whole flax was used more to promote the bowels, whereas crushed > flax allows the body to access the Omega 3s. I suppose if the crushed is > equally effective to move the bowels then they are a better choice. > Comments? I thought flax fiber was good for the bowels and is sometimes sold separately. It is water soluble and increasing the surface area through crushing the seeds makes the fiber more effective and the fatty acids more available for lubrication. I don't think humans can get much from uncrushed seeds unless they are chewed into meal. same with sesame. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 19, 2004 A link from CNN about recommended changes in the Atkins diet by Atkins councillors. http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/diet.fitness/01/19/atkins.reut/index.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 19, 2004 A link from CNN about recommended changes in the Atkins diet by Atkins councillors. >>>>Just heard a talk from an Atkins Dr and he clearly said there is no change. Its just media not understanding what Atkins has recommended since the 1970's. He always said that a balance of fats and proteins is healthier. He never said just eat red meat and bacon Alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 19, 2004 At 9:00 AM -0800 1/19/04, ALON MARCUS wrote: >He never said just eat red meat and bacon -- darn! -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2004 Hi Teresa, Thanks for the e-mail and congrats on your success. Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2004 Hi Ken- I have been having allot of success with my first weight loss patient! She weighed in at 368 pounds, and now weighs 300. We have been working together for 3 months. Our plan is good food combining, education on portion size, acupuncture, herbs and in the beginning simple stretching. Now she (on her own) has joined a gym and is going faithfully 4 to 5 times a week. In the beginning I saw her 3 times a week, for a couple weeks, then twice a week for a couple weeks, and now see her 1 time a week. I am thinking after all her weight loss, she should have some sort of surgical procedure to remove the excess skin. I love TCM! Teresa Teresa Hall, L.Ac, M.S, Q.M.E. 619-517-1188 - <krhkempo Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:00 AM Re: atkins > We should be careful not to judge certain diets, treatments, etc. based on > whether people turn it into a fad. It should based soundly on its quality. > Biochemical medicine was the fad of the early 20th century(not the greatest > example).Let's face it, acupuncture and TCM is quickly becoming one of the next fads. > Fads will endure the test of time only if they are real, they just won't > continue to be as popular. > Maybe we could generate a list of well constructed diet programs that we > can suggest to our patients which could integrate our medicine (ie Atkins for > damp constitutions,etc.)and their socio-psychological-economic condition.Maybe > with our knowledge on how food affects the body, we can help people make good > choices that will also be therapeutic and more relevant to american culture.I > think different diets suit different people and as long as they are not > dangerous or radical and are easy for the person,beneficial. > > Ken > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2004 , " Teresa Hall " < Teresa.bodywork4u@w...> wrote: > > Hi Ken- > > I have been having allot of success with my first weight loss patient! She > weighed in at 368 pounds, and now weighs 300. We have been working together > for 3 months. Our plan is good food combining, education on portion size, > acupuncture, herbs and in the beginning simple stretching. Now she (on her > own) has joined a gym and is going faithfully 4 to 5 times a week. In the > beginning I saw her 3 times a week, for a couple weeks, then twice a week > for a couple weeks, and now see her 1 time a week. I am thinking after all > her weight loss, she should have some sort of surgical procedure to remove > the excess skin. > Teresa With all due respect, I believe the protocol you describe would work without TCM.. no doubt regular reinforcement of thrice weekly visits is useful for psych support, but there is no evidence that thrice weekly acupuncture helps weight loss inthe long term. couldn't this could have been accomplished in a free facilitated support group as well. No doubt that one's psychology is a key to weight loss; I just don't see how TCM factored in. do you think TCM sped metabolism or helped resolve emotional issues? and did this better than standard methods? In addition, most overweight folks have lost huge amounts of weight repeatedly in short periods. You can only really claim TCM helped when they have NOT put that weight back on within a few years. I don't mean to burst your bubble, but three months is not a meaningful time to evaluate obesity treatment. I am saying this because I think it is essential that we not misrepresent the power of CM to the mainstream. In fact, most seasoned px will admit that TCM contributes little to long term weight control and I believe this would be easily demonstrated with controlled research. OTOH, controlled research has shown the long term weight control benefits of the atkins diet. No needles necessary. :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
