Hypothyroidism

[Guest guest]

Dear Julia,

 

Greetings.

 

Yes, you can follow the hypoparathyroidism protocol to treat hypothyroidism.

 

In light and love, mastefe

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At 03:34 AM 12/11/00 -0000, you wrote:

>Ottawa,Dec. 10, 2000

>Dear Master Fe,

>

>My husband has hypothyroidism. In my books, Basic and Advanced there

>is treatment for hyperthyroidism but not for hypothyroidism, which is

>the opposite. I will like to know what treatment to do to him. I

>have seen in previous Questions and Answers Messages treatment for

>hypoparathyroidism. Will the treatment for hypoparathyroidism be the

>same for hypothyroidism?

>Thanks for your help and God bless you!

>

>Julia Trudel

>

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[Guest guest]

Kelp is great for this!

 

Debbie

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" Helen A. " <worth249

 

Friday, January 24, 2003 7:27 AM

hypothyroidism

 

 

> Clear Day

> Any suggestions for an individual with hypothyroidism? I have a friend

asking and I am not familiar with any herbs/oils for this problem.

> -Helen

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I take raw thyroid, kelp, and tons of B vitamins. Mugwort, Gentian,

Bayberry, Black cohosh, and Goldenseal are also all very helpful.

 

" Helen A. " wrote:

 

> Clear Day

> Any suggestions for an individual with hypothyroidism? I have a

> friend asking and I am not familiar with any herbs/oils for this

> problem.

> -Helen

>

 

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What is raw thyroid?? I have not heard of that before.

-Helen

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> I take raw thyroid, kelp, and tons of B vitamins. Mugwort, Gentian,

> Bayberry, Black cohosh, and Goldenseal are also all very helpful.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's available from a HFS and comes in capsules. Contains Thyroidinum. I

can't remember the name of the one I have taken.

I've also taken Thyroid Support from Natra-Bio which contains

Thyroidinum (Thyroid Gland) 8x, Purified Water, 20% USP Alcohol. It's

homeopathic so you'd do the under the tongue thing. That has helped me a

lot too and it's cheaper than the capsules.

I've taken care of my thyroid problem without any prescription meds and

I'm very pleased with how I feel. My doctor was very skeptical at first

when I told him I'd take the homeopathic/herbal route over his preferred

way, but he's been very impressed with my test results.

 

" Helen A. " wrote:

 

> What is raw thyroid?? I have not heard of that before.

> -Helen

> -

 

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Eden - thank you VERY much!!

-Helen

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> It's available from a HFS and comes in capsules. Contains Thyroidinum. I

> can't remember the name of the one I have taken.

> I've also taken Thyroid Support from Natra-Bio which contains

> Thyroidinum (Thyroid Gland) 8x, Purified Water, 20% USP Alcohol. It's

> homeopathic so you'd do the under the tongue thing. That has helped me a

> lot too and it's cheaper than the capsules.

> I've taken care of my thyroid problem without any prescription meds and

> I'm very pleased with how I feel. My doctor was very skeptical at first

> when I told him I'd take the homeopathic/herbal route over his preferred

> way, but he's been very impressed with my test results.

>

[Guest guest]

My need for thyroid medication dropoed dramatically and immeditely when

the electric company cleaned up our power quality from " horrendous " to

" lousy-like-most. " Thyroid trouble is one of the effects of RF, radio

freuency range trash riding along on your 60 cycle current. The RF radiates

off of water pipes, electrical lines, extension cords, phone lines, metal in

the structure of the house......

See www.toxicelectricity.com and www.electricalpollution.com Many

more health problems are caused by electrical pollution than folks have any

inkling of.

I expect soon not to need any thyroid hormone replacement at all. I

sure am feeling lots better, too!

Shivani

[Guest guest]

Here's a good do-it-yourself way to test your thyroid status: When you wake up in the morning, before you get out of bed, stick a thermometer under your arm. (Shake it down and put it next to your bed the night before.) Leave it there, lying quietly, for 10 minutes. Write down the results. Do the same thing every morning for several days to a week. (Begin this the second day of your period if you are having periods. If not, do it any time. You want to avoid the time you are ovulating, since that changes your temperature.) Average your results. Normal is 97.8 to 98.2. Below that indicates low (hypo) thyroid. Above that range indicates high (hyper) thyroid.

 

Linda

 

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krissy_texas

Monday, February 09, 2004 11:47 AM

Hypothyroidism

Hi all-I've been lurking for like a year here... well and I haven't even been a very good lurker and reading messages so I apologize if this topic has already been discussed. Anyway, I think I have hypothyroidism. A "real" diagnosis would require tests and MD's and all that other unpleasant stuff, so I'd rather just try to figure this out on my own (with y'all's help, of course! ).Anyway, what has anyone done for hypothyroidism? I'm taking "thyroid and l-tyrosine complex" from Enzymatic therapy, which is what was recommended at sunharvest/wild oat. It's only been about 2 weeks and I haven't noticed much difference....Are there are dietary changes to make? vitamins, supplements? I understand one of the most important things is to get up off my *ss and do some exercise... Anything else?Thanks!Krissy********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers-HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm__________-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:http://www./members_add _________To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links___________Community email addresses: Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.

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Hi Krissy,

 

WAIT! Before you approach your health with tests after test, there may be a simpler solution - a solution that allows you to be responsible for the outcome.

 

Bio 101: Your thyroid gland, part of your "endocrine" system, is a ductless gland that secretes hormones directly into the blood stream. These hormones are able to do many things, but the main function of the thyroid is to regulate your metabolism. Balance is the key - not too low (hypo) and not too high (hyper). Either extreme can lead to unwanted health problems.

 

Generally speaking, when one of your glands begins to act funny (barring a specific traumatic injury to the gland), there's a good chance others are too - even if the symptoms are below any noticable level. And the first place to look when you're dealing with a non-specific glandular issue is at your diet. The foods you eat - and the foods you don't eat - have a very direct effect on your glandular system.

 

I'd recommend getting off all processed foods. This includes processed grains, oils and sugars. Instead, eat whole grains (very rich in essential fatty acids), fresh fruits and vegetables, lean meats and dairy, high quality fish, eggs from a free-range chicken and above all avoid high glycemic foods (they cause an insulin release that drops your blood sugar levels below the control zone, causing more fatigue). You can find more details at my website - www.bellaonline/site/nutrition.

 

Because it's hard to get everything you need from the foods you eat, I also recommend you consider supplementation - and not just any supplements, but whole food supplements from the human food chain. The best whole food products I've found and have been using for almost 25 years can be found at www.feel-better.info. Their basic products was proven to boost glandular output by up to 137%! It contains the very nutrients that your glandular system (ie: thyroid) needs the most. You should definitely see a difference within the first 30 days.

 

To your health,

Moss

 

 

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krissy_texas

Monday, February 09, 2004 2:47 PM

Hypothyroidism

Hi all-I've been lurking for like a year here... well and I haven't even been a very good lurker and reading messages so I apologize if this topic has already been discussed. Anyway, I think I have hypothyroidism. A "real" diagnosis would require tests and MD's and all that other unpleasant stuff, so I'd rather just try to figure this out on my own (with y'all's help, of course! ).Anyway, what has anyone done for hypothyroidism? I'm taking "thyroid and l-tyrosine complex" from Enzymatic therapy, which is what was recommended at sunharvest/wild oat. It's only been about 2 weeks and I haven't noticed much difference....Are there are dietary changes to make? vitamins, supplements? I understand one of the most important things is to get up off my *ss and do some exercise... Anything else?Thanks!Krissy********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers-HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm__________-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:http://www./members_add _________To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links___________Community email addresses: Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.

[Guest guest]

Hi Moss-

 

Thanks for all the tips. I've got processed food all but out of my

diet- just some random things *very* rarely when I'm in a hurry. Ok-

and Amy's entrees for lunch, but I don't count those!

 

I could do better on the veggies though...

 

I switched all meat and dairy to organic when $possible$ or, at the

least, hormone/antibiotic free and free range.

 

I'm not big on fish so I'm taking fish oil supplements.

 

I'm not going to get tested because if I do have hypothyroidism, it's

borderline. so it's entirely possible that it won't show up on the

tests. and their drugs (which I wouldn't take anyway) probably

wouldn't work.

 

Krissy

 

 

 

 

, " Moss Greene "

<nutrition@b...> wrote:

> Hi Krissy,

>

> WAIT! Before you approach your health with tests after test, there

may be a simpler solution - a solution that allows you to be

responsible for the outcome.

>

> Bio 101: Your thyroid gland, part of your " endocrine " system, is a

ductless gland that secretes hormones directly into the blood stream.

These hormones are able to do many things, but the main function of

the thyroid is to regulate your metabolism. Balance is the key - not

too low (hypo) and not too high (hyper). Either extreme can lead to

unwanted health problems.

>

> Generally speaking, when one of your glands begins to act funny

(barring a specific traumatic injury to the gland), there's a good

chance others are too - even if the symptoms are below any noticable

level. And the first place to look when you're dealing with a non-

specific glandular issue is at your diet. The foods you eat - and the

foods you don't eat - have a very direct effect on your glandular

system.

>

> I'd recommend getting off all processed foods. This includes

processed grains, oils and sugars. Instead, eat whole grains (very

rich in essential fatty acids), fresh fruits and vegetables, lean

meats and dairy, high quality fish, eggs from a free-range chicken

and above all avoid high glycemic foods (they cause an insulin

release that drops your blood sugar levels below the control zone,

causing more fatigue). You can find more details at my website -

www.bellaonline/site/nutrition.

>

> Because it's hard to get everything you need from the foods you

eat, I also recommend you consider supplementation - and not just any

supplements, but whole food supplements from the human food chain.

The best whole food products I've found and have been using for

almost 25 years can be found at www.feel-better.info. Their basic

products was proven to boost glandular output by up to 137%! It

contains the very nutrients that your glandular system (ie: thyroid)

needs the most. You should definitely see a difference within the

first 30 days.

>

> To your health,

> Moss

>

> -

> krissy_texas

>

> Monday, February 09, 2004 2:47 PM

> Hypothyroidism

>

>

> Hi all-

>

> I've been lurking for like a year here... well and I haven't even

> been a very good lurker and reading messages so I apologize if

this

> topic has already been discussed. Anyway, I think I have

> hypothyroidism. A " real " diagnosis would require tests and MD's

and

> all that other unpleasant stuff, so I'd rather just try to figure

> this out on my own (with y'all's help, of course! ).

> Anyway, what has anyone done for hypothyroidism? I'm

> taking " thyroid and l-tyrosine complex " from Enzymatic therapy,

> which is what was recommended at sunharvest/wild oat. It's only

> been about 2 weeks and I haven't noticed much difference....

> Are there are dietary changes to make? vitamins, supplements? I

> understand one of the most important things is to get up off my

*ss

> and do some exercise... Anything else?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Krissy

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Krissy!

 

I haven't been a member of this group for very long but have had an

interest in alternative methods for health and healing for much

longer. Just this evening I thought I'd have a look at some of the

groups I belong to but frequently don't have time to read (I need

some way to wind myself down after working at tax returns late in the

day). Something always seems to lead me to something I need to know

or to someone for whom I might be able to provide some useful

information. Anyway, I'm going to post this link here that was sent

out by none other than FlyLady, of whom I am a big fan. If anyone

reading this is unfamiliar with her and her mission, you can check

out her site at http://flylady.net/ -- and don't laugh! There are

many of us SHE's (Sidetracked Home Executives) who are not BO (born

organized)! I believe what FlyLady espouses (that creating more

peace in the world begins at home) has been very helpful for me and

the countless others she has mentored. OK, enough about FlyLady, but

maybe someone reading that part might find something they can use.

 

The link for those who believe they may be suffering from some type

of thyroid problem (especially with low average body temperature)

is: http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/Products/WTSeBookForFlyLady.htm

 

My apologies if anyone else here has posted the same info. I have

downloaded the free ebook from the above link and have been reading

it over the past week with great interest. I'm hoping that I'm not

finding myself suffering from many of the symptoms mentioned just

because I'm reading about them, but what the book says explains a

lot. I have been taking my temp a few times a day (no schedule right

now, just when I remember) and am keeping a log to see if I have any

ammo to back up the suspicion (one problem is I'm using a digital

thermometer, which may lack accuracy, so I'll be getting myself a

liquid metal thermometer soon). I'm a little apprehensive about it

(after all, the doctor knows best, right?), but I'm thinking of

asking my physician what he thinks about this Syndrone when I see him

in a couple of weeks. I'm hoping he doesn't disappoint me with close-

mindedness!

 

Please feel free to email me if you have any thoughts on the subject.

 

Take care,

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Great Debbie!

 

You have at least one fellow FlyLady fan

on the list!

 

I still have a long way to go, but my sink is

empty, I know where the laundry is, and supper

is simmering in the crockpot even as we speak.

 

You are so right.

Wilson's syndrome is often missed.

Thanks for posting that.

 

 

One of the best ways to nourish your

thyroid gland is with the suppressed from

the Andes, MACA, and with the world's

most easily absorbed complete food,

AFA, enriched with iodine-rich fucus.

 

These are balancing formulas, you

don't have to suffer from hypo-thyroid

to benefit from them.

 

For info on Aquazon,

Aquazon

 

For info on Maca,

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/alternativehelp/a/vianamuller.htm

 

Dr Viana Muller is a kindred spirit to

John Easterling, the founder and CEO of

Amazon Herb Rainforest Bio-energetics.

 

Spagyrically extracted MACA is available

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Find out here:

 

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[Guest guest]

I suggest you get ahold of Kiiko Matsumoto's book, Clinical Strategies.

She's has a protocol for dx'ing and treating hypothyroidism.

 

Alex Knox

[Guest guest]

> http://www.itmonline.org/arts/thyroid.htm

 

This is an excellent article, especially for healers wanting to

specialize in thyroid disorders.

 

I want to call readers' attention to one sentence in the article:

 

" Hyperthyroidism is thought by some doctors to start with an excess

fire syndrome which later becomes yin-deficiency fire. "

 

Many (but not all) cases of Yin Deficiency are started by high fevers

or a long-term low grade fever " burning " up Yin in the body. This

applies not only to manifestations such as hyperthyroidism but other

possible manifestations of Excess Fire becoming Yin Deficiency Fire

as well. The Fire (fever) from an infection is one example of Excess

Fire. Excess Fire also can be caused by diet (too many foods or herbs

which Heat the body), by Qi Stagnation, and some other things.

 

Not all cases of hyperthyroidism arise out of this imbalance (Excess

Fire Becoming Yin Deficiency Fire), but many do.

 

Yin cools, calms, and moistens; Yang heats, activates, and dries. Yin

and Yang balance each other. In cases of Yin Deficiency there no

longer is enough Yin to properly cool, calm, and moisten the body.

(Note to new list members: Membership on Chinese Traditional Medicine includes

those new to TCM as well as TCM students and professional healers. So

I try to include basic info in some posts for those new to TCM as

well as stressing certain points for TCM students.)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/17/04 10:47:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,

victoria_dragon writes:

 

 

> This is an excellent article, especially for healers wanting to

> specialize in thyroid disorders.

>

>

 

I was just thinking about how vast the field of TCM is and wondering if the

branches have their corresponding specialties as in allopathic medicine.

I have decided that TCm herbology has a lot more to offer than its western

counterpart. and I'd probably function as a general practioner so to speak, are

there specialists as such or does one just become more experience in certain

types of therapies due to clientele, geography ,environment,etc. And while were

on the subject does anyone know of or have a good resource for a patient

questionairre? My friends and family come to me all the time and I need some way

to standardize the information gathering process. These are the same people

that have been purchasing my herbal remedies for years but because of my new

interests I must evaulate things differently. I am facinated with tongue,pulse

face,and nail diagnosis. and trying to absorb all the information I can I find

it very helpful in pinpointing problems , and I realize that the information I

have doesnot scratch the surface of what is out there to learn.

Rabiah

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I was just thinking about how vast the field of TCM is and

wondering if the

> branches have their corresponding specialties as in allopathic

medicine.

> I have decided that TCm herbology has a lot more to offer than its

western

> counterpart.

 

There is at least one school of Western herbalism that recognizes

some of the TCM concepts like thermal energy. The two are not the

same, but there is overlap. It's Michael Moore's school in Bisbee,

Arizona, USA. (The herbalist Michael Moore, not the filmmaker

Michael Moore.)

 

There is an amazing overlap between Mayan folk medicine and TCM.

There has been a book written about this, but I can't remember the

name. A Google for Mayan Chinese medicine may bring it up.

 

Yes, there are specialties in TCM. In addition to some healers

primarily being herbalists and others primarily being acupuncturists,

TCM healers sometimes specialize. For example gynecology,

geriatrics, Blood disorders, etc.

 

and I'd probably function as a general practioner so to speak, are

> there specialists as such or does one just become more experience

in certain

> types of therapies due to clientele, geography ,environment,etc.

 

Clientele, geography, environment, etc. sometimes will influence the

choice. For example, I tend to have more interest in Dryness

disorders than most people in TCM have because I lived in a desert

area for many years. Personal experience also will come into play.

I know a whole lot more about Cold and Yang Deficiency than about

other imbalances because these have been such problems for me.

Personal experience.

 

TCM healers living in the southeast of the US tend to see more cases

of Damp Heat than in other areas of the US not only because the area

is so humid and hot but because of the typical Southern diet.

 

Sometimes seeing a dramatic improvement in a patient with a

particular disorder will influence a healer greatly.

 

For tongue diagnosis, check out Giovanni Maciocia's website for the

Tongue Gallery. He also wrote a book on the subject as well as some

TCM text books. I've gotten a lot out of his books.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/18/04 12:42:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

victoria_dragon writes:

 

 

> For tongue diagnosis, check out Giovanni Maciocia's website for the

> Tongue Gallery. He also wrote a book on the subject as well as some

> TCM text books. I've gotten a lot out of his books.

>

>

 

Thanks again all that you have said has been very helpful. I tend to become

very interested in the illnesses that involve me and my family as well.

currntly I have a yen for dry tasting things, what is that? damp heat syndrome?

What about the diet in the south makes this prevelant. I do not believe my

family it the typical southern diet, our foods tend to be hot and spicy for the

mostpart with cooling side dishes added for balance.

whenI first started looking into tcm I saw his name a lot and ignored it I

whish I hadn't. Has anyone ever heard of or dealt with jade campus on the net?

what happened to him ???

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/18/04 9:14:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,

victoria_dragon writes:

 

 

> The Spleen likes dryness, but the Stomach likes moisture. The Spleen

> may be suffering from Dampness and wants more drying foods to

> counterbalance.

>

>

 

Hmmm thanks I look into it

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> currntly I have a yen for dry tasting things, what is that?

 

The Spleen likes dryness, but the Stomach likes moisture. The Spleen

may be suffering from Dampness and wants more drying foods to

counterbalance.

 

> damp heat syndrome?

> What about the diet in the south makes this prevelant. I do not

believe my

> family it the typical southern diet, our foods tend to be hot and

spicy for the

> mostpart with cooling side dishes added for balance.

 

There tends to be a lot of fried foods and fatty food in the diet in

the southeast of the US. Think of Elvis eating fried banana and

peanutbutter sandwiches. Most Southerners don't go that far, but

traditionally meats are fried much more often than being baked,

boiled, broiled, stewed, roasted, or even grilled. Southern fried

chicken. Fried Country Style Steak (beef battered and fried). Fried

ham. Fried fish. Fried pork chops.

 

In addition, fat meat was added to greens, beans, etc. Often too

much. I remember seeing thick layers of grease floating on boiled

vegetable and bean dishes in bowls. Packages of fat meat are still

sold in supermarkets in the South today. Among some old-timers, in

addition to adding fat meat to vegetable and bean dishes to season

them, fried fat meat was and is considered good eating.

 

Add into this equation that the Southeast of the US is hot and damp.

Heat and Damp can invade the body.

[Guest guest]

victoria_dragon wrote:

> > http://www.itmonline.org/arts/thyroid.htm

>

>This is an excellent article, especially for healers wanting to

>specialize in thyroid disorders.

>

>I want to call readers' attention to one sentence in the article:

>

> " Hyperthyroidism is thought by some doctors to start with an excess

>fire syndrome which later becomes yin-deficiency fire. "

>

>Many (but not all) cases of Yin Deficiency are started by high fevers

>or a long-term low grade fever " burning " up Yin in the body. ....... So

>I try to include basic info in some posts for those new to TCM as

>well as stressing certain points for TCM students.)

 

 

Victoria - Thanks for the great and informative posts. I have

learned SO much on this list. The more I learn the more I realize

how complicated TCM is. Wow.

Cheers, Cat

 

 

^. .^ ~

[Guest guest]

> The more I learn the more I realize

> how complicated TCM is. Wow.

 

Actually, once you get the overall picture, it gets a lot simplier.

That doesn't mean that there won't always be more to learn, but that

it all fits together. You feel more and more comfortable with it.

You start looking at Western medicine from a TCM standpoint and

asking questions like, " What is this drug's thermal energy? How is

it effecting the body from a TCM standpoint? What is the underlying

TCM Root(s) for this individual? "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/19/04 10:45:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

victoria_dragon writes:

 

 

> What is this drug's thermal energy?

 

I read somewher that all chemical (allopathic)drugs are heating. My

allopathic physicia told me that every medicine that anyone ever takes will

effect

their blood pressure. adversely no doubt.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/20/04 11:13:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,

victoria_dragon writes:

 

 

> Also, a person can suffer from both Heat and Cold. For example the

> person may be mainly Cold because of a Kidney Yang Deficiency but

> there may be Heat in the Lungs and Heart. The formula will need to

> take care of both without aggravating either.

>

>

 

very complicated, a little scary, Ithink that Ihave just such a condition (as

above ) myself. If I kill any body let it be me.LOL A friend of mine take a

course in traditonal healing oversea. there the teacher told them that they are

not really Hakimah's until they kill someone, that was a joke..

I am currently take a formula that includes:

codonopsis, bupleurum, glycyrrhiza,schinzandra,lonicera. this is to address

cold damp mand phelgm, I take a spice tea in the morning and I ometimes add

senna. have a tendency to,fullness and bloatedness. This is all stuff I put

together not a recognized formula. But I know I need to add something to address

the heat that I can tell I have because of the red on the ti of my tongue,

which I think is thyroid, heart and lungs.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I read somewher that all chemical (allopathic)drugs are heating. My

> allopathic physicia told me that every medicine that anyone ever

takes will effect

> their blood pressure. adversely no doubt.

 

I believe antibiotics are cooling. I've read that from a TCM

standpoint they are to be taken only when there is Excess Heat, not

Deficiency Heat. And certainly not if the person has gone too Cold.

 

Later on you'll be learning about the 6 Stages of Cold-Induced Evils

and Virulent Heat Evils. These are models that enable TCM healers to

have needed herbs ready. It can take a long time to prepare an

herbal tea. Some of them require a long cooking. Without knowing

about these stages and levels, by the time a formula is ready, the

person may have move to another stage where it is inappropriate and

made even make the person sicker.

 

The main one to think about at this point is the 6 Stages of Cold-

Induced Illnesses. The first 3 stages are Yang stages. There can be

Heat. The last 3 stages are Yin stages. The Yang Qi is exhausted.

The Evil has invaded deep into the Interior. (Meridians (and Organs)

have different " deepnesses " . For example, when an Exterior pathogen

is invading, the first two meridians invaded are the Bladder and

Small Intestine. As the Evil goes deeper, the illness or condition

gets more serious.)

 

If someone with a Cold-Induced Illness has gotten to a Yin stage, you

don't want to cool the person down. It will make the person sicker.

S/he already is too Cold.

 

BTW, the concept of Heat and Cold is one of the most important in

. It's also one of the easiest for people from other

cultures to relate to. And it's one of the concepts that can have one

of the biggest impacts in terms of a successful or non-successful

healing.

 

There are times when getting the Heat or Cold thing wrong can result

in death. It can be that critical in some cases. Complicating things

is that there are False Cold - True Heat and False Heast - True Cold

to be considered. There are posts in the message base detaling the

signs and symptoms of False Cold and False Heat.

 

Also, a person can suffer from both Heat and Cold. For example the

person may be mainly Cold because of a Kidney Yang Deficiency but

there may be Heat in the Lungs and Heart. The formula will need to

take care of both without aggravating either.

[Guest guest]

> course in traditonal healing oversea. there the teacher told them

that they are

> not really Hakimah's until they kill someone, that was a joke..

 

Joke or not, I think I would be very, very leery of that teacher.

 

> together not a recognized formula. But I know I need to add

something to address

> the heat that I can tell I have because of the red on the ti of my

tongue,

> which I think is thyroid, heart and lungs.

 

When the tip of the tongue is redder than normal, that points to Heat

in the Lungs and Heart, the Upper Burner. It's a very common problem

because Heat rises and Cold sinks.

 

The sides of the tongue point to problems in the Liver and/or Gall

Bladder. The center, middle of the tongue often will reveal things

about the Stomach. The back of the tongue toward the root of the

tongue often will reveal things about the Kidneys. BTW, it's normal

for the tongue coating to be thicker toward the back.