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>i have over 1000 e mails from this group..how do i delet the ones i

>dont need ????

 

In my email program (hotmail), I put the ones I want to keep in a special

folder and delete the rest. What email program are you using? There should

be a delete button which will allow you to delete the ones you dont't want

to keep.

 

Victoria

 

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Namaste!

I'm certainly no expert on the way the system operates but perhaps the

people can track where the repition is occuring. Do they have a

customer support number?

I, personally have NEVER gotten a duplicate message so it seems strange

that could send just one out to some and lots out to others unless

their data base is corrupted and those getting multiple messages are listed

with them several times.

Is it always the same number of repeats?

G. Tiemann

 

>masterfe <masterfe

>

>

> HELP

>Wed, 06 Jun 2001 15:58:02 +0800

>

>Greetings.

>

>Is there anybody out there who can explain technically what's happening and

>suggest steps we can do (or not do) in order to avoid flooding the mailbox

>with this irritating repetitions.

>

>I am experiencing the same thing.

>

>Love and light, masterfe

>---------------

>

>At 10:09 PM 6/5/01 -0700, you wrote:

> >Help... we are getting dozens of this message sent to us every hour

>nonstop.

> >

> >Who can help so we stop getting this message resent to us ....please get

> >back to us....thanx....

> >

> >

> >masterfe [masterfe]

> >Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:27 AM

> >Phqanda

> > Steps in Pranic Healing (Standard Procedure)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Most definitely. Make up some Total Tonic and start taking the Mash right away. Formula's in the files ;o)

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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GaiaCosair

Herbal

Monday, November 19, 2001 7:16 AM

[herbal remedies] Help

I need some help. I don't have any tinctures made because I'm moving and everything is at the new place. Is there something that I can whip up really quick to help with the flu? I have the flu and I *really* need something to purge this thing out, because I'm in the middle of moving and really cannot afford to be sick.I can go get more herbs and I do have vodka in the house as well as a food processor that haven't been packed yet.Any help would be much appreciated.ThanksSuzi2

[Guest guest]

Golden Seal is the best anti-flu remedy i've found. Also religiously avoid

eating meat for the time being. My experience shows that meat tends to

intensify the circulation of viral poisons in the body.

 

At 06:16 AM 11/19/01 -0800, you wrote:

>I need some help. I don't have any tinctures made

>because I'm moving and everything is at the new place.

> Is there something that I can whip up really quick to

>help with the flu? I have the flu and I *really* need

>something to purge this thing out, because I'm in the

>middle of moving and really cannot afford to be sick.

>

>I can go get more herbs and I do have vodka in the

>house as well as a food processor that haven't been

>packed yet.

>

>Any help would be much appreciated.

>

>Thanks

>

>Suzi2

>

-- Michael Riversong **

Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer **

RivEdu ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399

http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong

[Guest guest]

Hey M -- I'm sure you'll get your advice here. I was wondering if you

could tell me; what IS " oppositional defiance disorder " ? So often nowadays

they diagnose kids for just being kids...I applaud you for your desire to

keep him off the meds. My brother was on Ritalin for 8 years and it

certainly didn't do him any good. Thanks for the post -- ST

 

>Hi all,

>I tend to lurk but really need some advice; my grandson just was diagnosed

>with oppositional defiance disorder and I need some advice on the

appropria>te things that might help with his treatment; he is 7 yrs old and

i don't w>ant him on meds; the only other thing that is going on is he is

asthmatic a>nd an only child; he is big for his age and tends to run in the

90% for hei>ght and weight; are there foods to avoid or other things; the

definition do>es fit but i think there has to be another way; any

suggestions will be gre>atly appreciated;

>thanks

>morrigana

>

>

>

http://netwinsite.com/dbabble http://www.nospamnews.com

[Guest guest]

This is absolutely sickening! Oppositional Defiance Disorder is a complete

fiction! Fire the doctor who made the diagnosis! Hire a private investigator

to find out what crimes that doctor has committed! If necessary, arrange to get

that poor kid out of town so he won't be harrassed by these evil thugs!

 

Are my statements extreme? Most folks, unfortunately, don't even know any of

the story. Anyone of good conscience who has had a long-term encounter with the

mental health system will tell you that i am being very polite and mild with the

statements in the first paragraph. ODD was VOTED into a strange little book

called DSM-IV, which is a list of mental problems correlated with numbers which

can then be used on insurance claim forms so that someone with deep pockets can

pay tolls to giant pharmaceutical companies. It is entirely a creation of

people who want to sell very dangerous drugs to the parents of innocent

children. There is no physical basis whatsoever for this supposed " condition " ,

except in cases where simple good nutrition has been proven to work.

 

So a kid speaks up against what he sees as injustices. Big hairy deal! He

should be hugged and patted on the head and given organic fruit juice sweetened

cookies for being so brave! Seriously, i work as a schoolteacher and have to

deal with flack from kids all the time. If someone is constantly speaking up,

or doing disruptive things in school, then somebody needs to sit down with the

kid for an hour, or maybe take a long walk through the woods, and find out what

he sees to be the sources of injustice in his world. Some things can be

straightened out easily. Other things might not be fixable, and in those cases

that needs to be carefully explained to the kid. And in most of these

situations, i have found that the kid has a fundamental misunderstanding of some

word, meaning a concept, that is constantly being put before him. I have

literally encountered cases where getting a kid to understand a simple word like

" the " or " in " has caused a dramatic turnaround.

 

And of course gaps in education are in themselves a form of injustice.

 

On the nutritional side, of course avoiding sugar almost always helps. With

most kids you have to find substitutes, and perhaps grit your teeth through a

couple of temper tantrums if an important food like Kool-Aid is suddenly taken

away. Many children, especially if they live in poor environments (which can be

anywhere, even in rich neighborhoods), are sensitive to artificial flavors and

sometimes colors. Simply learning how to make exotic cookies and avoiding

highly decorated, processed foods from convenience stores has done wonders for

many kids.

 

On Thu, 16 May 2002 21:53:37 -0700 morrigana28 <sherry.dority wrote:

 

Hi all,

I tend to lurk but really need some advice; my grandson just

was diagnosed with oppositional defiance disorder and I need some advice on the

appropriate things that might help with his treatment; he is 7 yrs old and i

don't want him on meds; the only other thing that is going on is he is asthmatic

and an only child; he is big for his age and tends to run in the 90% for

height and weight; are there foods to avoid or other things; the definition does

fit but i think there has to be another way; any suggestions will be greatly

appreciated;

thanks

morrigana

[Guest guest]

Hey Michael: (That's right, I'm answering everything you post today!) I

totally agree with you, and when I talk about it in meatspace I tend to use

even stronger words ('specially the kind with four letters). I hope you

keep the integrity of what I see as your very informed opinon, but I

encourage you to temper the words a bit when dealing with people you don't

know -- here's why. Someone told my mother almost this exact same thing

when my brother was diagnosed with ADD, and she almost punched him! The

sad thing is, had he put it differently, and gotten her--an RN--to see his

side without putting her on the defensive, she might not have made the

decision she did, and my brother I think would be a different person today.

It can be harder in some cases for people to hear that their kids are fine

and just need extra attention than it is for them to accept an 'illness'

(which has the *perceived* advantage of being a blameless problem).

 

If anybody ever suggests such doo regarding *my* children, mind you, I'm

going for my baseball bat and my lawyer both. Bad enough that they dupe

adults into taking their snake oil; IMO trying to Rx such drugs to children

should be a crime equal to selling crack at an elementary school.

 

Thanks for another interesting rant. --Sara

 

>This is absolutely sickening! Oppositional Defiance Disorder is a

complete fiction! Fire the doctor who made the diagnosis! Hire a private

investigator to find out what crimes that doctor has committed! If

necessary, arrange to get that poor kid out of town so he won't be

harrassed by these evil thugs!

http://netwinsite.com/dbabble http://www.nospamnews.com

[Guest guest]

Hello Everyone,

 

This is a very interesting topic, and one that hits close to home for me. I am currently in a dilemma, and would like some opinions. I have a 16 year old son who at 3 years old was labeled as emotionally disturbed. He didn't speak yet at that time, and he also had some strange habits. When I first saw the movie Rain Man, I saw a lot of my son in Dustin Hoffman's character. When he was evaluated however, they told me he was not autistic, but did display some autistic tendencies. I think they were right about that, as he outgrew many of the habits he had. He has been in regular school classes since 1st grade, and he has no problem with school work, or school itself. He is extremely shy, and I think he may have social anxiety. He won't answer the door, or the telephone if it is someone he doesn't know. He will go to extremes to avoid people he knows for fear they might speak to him. He has his permit, and he's already tried dropping out because he doesn't want to get in the car with the instructor. He also talks to himself, something he has done since he was a small child. Anyway, I could go on and on, but to cut it short, I have studied this disorder and my son exhibits all the symptoms. Should I go the ''normal way,'' therapy, etc.; Or is there something I can do ''naturally''? Everyone's help will be greatly appreciated.

Love,

Nijma

[Guest guest]

<<basically odd is where the child doesn't listen to authority figures; has temper tantrums; interrupts when others are speaking among other things>>

 

Hmmmmm....sounds like a typical young child to me ( & some adults I know). I realize that there is probably more to the problem than this, but I have to agree with what Michael had to say. I feel that a lot of kids problems today have to do with the way parents deal with them. My three boys...who are ALL teens now...17, 15, 13, were never allowed to throw tantrums, be disrespectful, etc...even it that meant that they were deprived of something or swatted on the behind (in public if the need be). They are very good young gentlemen now even if I do say so myself and my husband and I are very proud of them. They are hardworking, friendly, well adjusted men. We get compliments from people about them all the time. My best friend on the other hand chose a very different approach to parenting than we did and now here son who is 10 is a handful. He was given timeouts, never yelled at, and threats were never carried out by the parents. He has also been diagnosed with ADD, which I feel is another way for doctors & drug companies to make money at the expense of young children. Well enough of my ranting.....just my .02 worth.

 

 

Linda in IA

 

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[Guest guest]

Damn! I fall into that category myself, especially the part about not listening to authority figures. ;o) LOL

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

basically odd is where the child doesn't listen to authority figures; has temper tantrums; interrupts when others are speaking among other things

[Guest guest]

i agree with you about their snake oil and am going to fight my daughter tooth and nail if necessary for this not to happen; but it still remains that my grandson has had difficulty listening for 2 yrs in school and i don't want them to peg him as a problem because you know where that goes; he is only 7 yrs old; what is wrong with these school systems; odd has a lot of info on the web and it is an axis II definition; any suggestions appreciated; thanks for your input ; it brought encouragement but still looking for a solution;

thanks

morrigana

 

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Sara Thustra

herbal remedies

Friday, May 17, 2002 7:06 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] help

Hey Michael: (That's right, I'm answering everything you post today!) Itotally agree with you, and when I talk about it in meatspace I tend to useeven stronger words ('specially the kind with four letters). I hope youkeep the integrity of what I see as your very informed opinon, but Iencourage you to temper the words a bit when dealing with people you don'tknow -- here's why. Someone told my mother almost this exact same thingwhen my brother was diagnosed with ADD, and she almost punched him! Thesad thing is, had he put it differently, and gotten her--an RN--to see hisside without putting her on the defensive, she might not have made thedecision she did, and my brother I think would be a different person today.It can be harder in some cases for people to hear that their kids are fineand just need extra attention than it is for them to accept an 'illness'(which has the *perceived* advantage of being a blameless problem). If anybody ever suggests such doo regarding *my* children, mind you, I'mgoing for my baseball bat and my lawyer both. Bad enough that they dupeadults into taking their snake oil; IMO trying to Rx such drugs to childrenshould be a crime equal to selling crack at an elementary school.Thanks for another interesting rant. --Sara>This is absolutely sickening! Oppositional Defiance Disorder is acomplete fiction! Fire the doctor who made the diagnosis! Hire a privateinvestigator to find out what crimes that doctor has committed! Ifnecessary, arrange to get that poor kid out of town so he won't beharrassed by these evil thugs!http://netwinsite.com/dbabble http://www.nospamnews.comFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

thank you michael this makes me feel a little better; next question how do i

convince the school to realize that he needs extra attention or whatever?

thanks

morrigana

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" Michael Riversong " <rivedu

<herbal remedies >

Friday, May 17, 2002 6:34 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] help

 

 

> This is absolutely sickening! Oppositional Defiance Disorder is a

complete fiction! Fire the doctor who made the diagnosis! Hire a private

investigator to find out what crimes that doctor has committed! If

necessary, arrange to get that poor kid out of town so he won't be harrassed

by these evil thugs!

>

> Are my statements extreme? Most folks, unfortunately, don't even know any

of the story. Anyone of good conscience who has had a long-term encounter

with the mental health system will tell you that i am being very polite and

mild with the statements in the first paragraph. ODD was VOTED into a

strange little book called DSM-IV, which is a list of mental problems

correlated with numbers which can then be used on insurance claim forms so

that someone with deep pockets can pay tolls to giant pharmaceutical

companies. It is entirely a creation of people who want to sell very

dangerous drugs to the parents of innocent children. There is no physical

basis whatsoever for this supposed " condition " , except in cases where simple

good nutrition has been proven to work.

>

> So a kid speaks up against what he sees as injustices. Big hairy deal!

He should be hugged and patted on the head and given organic fruit juice

sweetened cookies for being so brave! Seriously, i work as a schoolteacher

and have to deal with flack from kids all the time. If someone is

constantly speaking up, or doing disruptive things in school, then somebody

needs to sit down with the kid for an hour, or maybe take a long walk

through the woods, and find out what he sees to be the sources of injustice

in his world. Some things can be straightened out easily. Other things

might not be fixable, and in those cases that needs to be carefully

explained to the kid. And in most of these situations, i have found that

the kid has a fundamental misunderstanding of some word, meaning a concept,

that is constantly being put before him. I have literally encountered cases

where getting a kid to understand a simple word like " the " or " in " has

caused a dramatic turnaround.

>

> And of course gaps in education are in themselves a form of injustice.

>

> On the nutritional side, of course avoiding sugar almost always helps.

With most kids you have to find substitutes, and perhaps grit your teeth

through a couple of temper tantrums if an important food like Kool-Aid is

suddenly taken away. Many children, especially if they live in poor

environments (which can be anywhere, even in rich neighborhoods), are

sensitive to artificial flavors and sometimes colors. Simply learning how

to make exotic cookies and avoiding highly decorated, processed foods from

convenience stores has done wonders for many kids.

>

> On Thu, 16 May 2002 21:53:37 -0700 morrigana28 <sherry.dority

wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> I tend to lurk but really need some advice; my grandson just

> was diagnosed with oppositional defiance disorder and I need some advice

on the

> appropriate things that might help with his treatment; he is 7 yrs old and

i

> don't want him on meds; the only other thing that is going on is he is

asthmatic

> and an only child; he is big for his age and tends to run in the 90% for

> height and weight; are there foods to avoid or other things; the

definition does

> fit but i think there has to be another way; any suggestions will be

greatly

> appreciated;

> thanks

> morrigana

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

>

[Guest guest]

basically odd is where the child doesn't listen to authority figures; has temper tantrums; interrupts when others are speaking among other things

 

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Sara Thustra

herbal remedies

Friday, May 17, 2002 5:14 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] help

Hey M -- I'm sure you'll get your advice here. I was wondering if youcould tell me; what IS "oppositional defiance disorder"? So often nowadaysthey diagnose kids for just being kids...I applaud you for your desire tokeep him off the meds. My brother was on Ritalin for 8 years and itcertainly didn't do him any good. Thanks for the post -- ST>Hi all,>I tend to lurk but really need some advice; my grandson just was diagnosed>with oppositional defiance disorder and I need some advice on theappropria>te things that might help with his treatment; he is 7 yrs old andi don't w>ant him on meds; the only other thing that is going on is he isasthmatic a>nd an only child; he is big for his age and tends to run in the90% for hei>ght and weight; are there foods to avoid or other things; thedefinition do>es fit but i think there has to be another way; anysuggestions will be gre>atly appreciated; >thanks >morrigana>>>http://netwinsite.com/dbabble http://www.nospamnews.comFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

To some degree the problem is the structure of schools themselves. They are set

up to be more responsive to pressure coming down from above, in other words

" recognized experts " , than to the normal desires of ordinary parents. There is

little that we can do about that, short of running for a seat on the school

board.

 

This means that many parents have opted to take their children out of public

schools. We are very familiar with that, and in fact that's how my wife and i

met, in a discussion group devoted to this subject. The tragedy here is that

most parents are not physically or economically in a position to do that. And,

i know of situations that got so intolerable, the parents took their kids out

anyway, and found a way to make things work out.

 

In many states, it is flat-out illegal for school officials to require that

children be put on drugs. But they often try anyway. If you're running into

this sort of thing, feel free to contact us privately -- we've had a lot of

experience coaching people through this.

 

Most public schools simply don't have any means to give attention to anyone.

Certainly there are many teachers who would like to help out in that way, but

the system works against them. These are some of the reasons why i teach in a

private school.

 

On Fri, 17 May 2002 18:02:29 -0700 " sherry.dority " <sherry.dority

wrote:

 

thank you michael this makes me feel a little better; next question how do i

convince the school to realize that he needs extra attention or whatever?

thanks

morrigana

[Guest guest]

me too doc; but if my grandson comes as far as you have then he would have overcome anything that the system is trying to peg him into

 

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Ian Shillington N.D.

herbal remedies

Friday, May 17, 2002 3:25 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] help

 

Damn! I fall into that category myself, especially the part about not listening to authority figures. ;o) LOL

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

basically odd is where the child doesn't listen to authority figures; has temper tantrums; interrupts when others are speaking among other thingsFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

i agree with you about medicating people with pills and not dealing with the issues; consistency is definitely the way to go as far as parenting goes;

 

thanks everyone for your input on this and will keep you updated

morrigana

 

-

Linda Manley

herbal remedies

Friday, May 17, 2002 3:24 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] help

 

<<basically odd is where the child doesn't listen to authority figures; has temper tantrums; interrupts when others are speaking among other things>>

 

Hmmmmm....sounds like a typical young child to me ( & some adults I know). I realize that there is probably more to the problem than this, but I have to agree with what Michael had to say. I feel that a lot of kids problems today have to do with the way parents deal with them. My three boys...who are ALL teens now...17, 15, 13, were never allowed to throw tantrums, be disrespectful, etc...even it that meant that they were deprived of something or swatted on the behind (in public if the need be). They are very good young gentlemen now even if I do say so myself and my husband and I are very proud of them. They are hardworking, friendly, well adjusted men. We get compliments from people about them all the time. My best friend on the other hand chose a very different approach to parenting than we did and now here son who is 10 is a handful. He was given timeouts, never yelled at, and threats were never carried out by the parents. He has also been diagnosed with ADD, which I feel is another way for doctors & drug companies to make money at the expense of young children. Well enough of my ranting.....just my .02 worth.

 

 

Linda in IA

 

---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release 5/7/02Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

My name is Debbie and I am new to this group. I got this website from a dear friend of mine and have enjoyed reading everyone's inputs. I look forward to reading them. It seems like a lot of the things I have read have hit home with me. And on this one I relate too. You see I have a beautiful son. And from the time he could walk he I truly thought he was a demon child forgive the term. But he was truly a problem. And it would have been very easy to label him A. D. D. I thank God everyday for the Dr. he had. I guess you would call him from the old school. Anyway it took a long time. I guess till about 3rd grade. But finally got my son back. You see he was a mean and really bad boy I guess you could say. He would throw fits in the store and was extremely mean to everyone and everything. I started by taking something away he truly love when he miss behaved and only giving attention when he did something good. You see he though bad behavior was the only way to get attention, and when he finally released it wouldn't work and only good behavior would get him the attention he need he started to change. It was a very trying time for everyone one and something that I never wish on anyone. But the reward was and still is the grates thing. You see he is now 14 and the most kind hearted and well behaved child I could ever wish for. He is at the I call brain dead stage where his hormones are bouncing off each other, but he is a very special gift from God. And I am thankful for him even when he gets a little goofy. I just remember how he used to be and how he is now. When I tell people how he used to be no one believes me. Anyway good luck and hang in there. It will work out just stick with what your inner self tells you, you know what is the next right thing. God bless.

Thanks For your time,

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Oh, for Pete's sake. So there's two types of children in the world huh:

ODD kids and autistic kids?? What crap. The stuff they pass off as

'science' nowadays...I'd better stop thinking about this, before I pass

these fuzzy-logic vibes to my computer and it crashes! --ST

 

>basically odd is where the child doesn't listen to authority figures; has

t>emper tantrums; interrupts when others are speaking among other things

> -

> Sara Thustra

> herbal remedies

> Friday, May 17, 2002 5:14 AM

> Re: [herbal remedies] help

>

>

> Hey M -- I'm sure you'll get your advice here. I was wondering if you

> could tell me; what IS " oppositional defiance disorder " ? So often

nowada>ys

> they diagnose kids for just being kids...I applaud you for your desire

to

> keep him off the meds. My brother was on Ritalin for 8 years and it

> certainly didn't do him any good. Thanks for the post -- ST

>

> >Hi all,

> >I tend to lurk but really need some advice; my grandson just was

diagnos>ed

> >with oppositional defiance disorder and I need some advice on the

> appropria>te things that might help with his treatment; he is 7 yrs old

a>nd

> i don't w>ant him on meds; the only other thing that is going on is he

is

> asthmatic a>nd an only child; he is big for his age and tends to run in

t>he

> 90% for hei>ght and weight; are there foods to avoid or other things;

the

> definition do>es fit but i think there has to be another way; any

> suggestions will be gre>atly appreciated;

> >thanks

> >morrigana

> >

> >

> >

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Hi,

 

Recently I became part of this group at Frank's invitation. I notice some

members of our own group are here as well and that is good.

 

About 12 years ago I was dxd with stage IV Prostate Cancer and one thing led

to another and by this time we have seen the effect of Flaxseed Oil in a lot

of situations involving cancer.

 

I am going to put on a document or two that may give some ideas.

 

Cliff

*********

 

Recent Significant Developments as of February 27, 1999

 

Following are some things which may be of significance and which I would

like to relate to people who seek information. They are things which are an

encouragement to me , and I trust to others as well. At the same time, I

am not giving medical advice. What I am doing is giving information

concerning things that have happened and it is up to each Individual to do

with it what he or she wishes.

 

Most people do not talk to doctors about this as it seems silly, but it

isn't and it is a thrill to see people getting well that as far as doctor's

expectations are concerned, should be dying.

This document contains things that I want to tell everybody, and it just

occurred to me that I can do it this way and simply send it as an

attachment. I am fairly new at Email and am feeling my way and learning as

I go along. My goal is to get out the greatest possible amount of

meaningful information in the least possible time.

 

A year ago last October a lady who is a good friend of ours had a mammogram

and it was suspicious. She immediately began using flaxseed at three

tablespoons a day. A biopsy was set up for a week later and it was

malignant. She underwent a lot of tests and when it was determined that the

cancer had not spread a mastectomy was recommended. She had to follow the

recommendations or tenure would not pay the $3000.00 for the tests. They

waited about six weeks trying to get a doctor to do reconstructive surgery

at the same time but couldn't arrange it.. Finally, it was felt that she

should have the procedure before any spread occurred. The operation was

performed and the removed tissue sent to the lab for analysis.

There were no cancer cells detectable. She said the only good thing about

it was that she had told the doctor what she was doing and he suddenly got

very interested because his wife had had a double mastectomy and was not

doing well.

 

At the time, I did not know who the doctor was, but I do know now and all I

have heard is that his wife is doing well..

 

On the web page and the tapes the story is related concerning Maxine. At

the end of May, 1992 she was in the late stages. She was still able to

dress and get meals but then had to lie down. She began using the oil, half

heartedly at first, and didn't get worse. Then she used it more heavily and

before long an MRI showed all clear. A year later she had to change doctors

as the first one moved and the new doctor went over the records and told her

that this was a miracle; there was no way she should still be alive.

 

About a week after Christmas, 1998, she called me and said that she had had

a check-up a week before Christmas and all was well. Then the doctor told

her he had just found out that HE had cancer. Now, Maxine told me, I

decided to tell him from the very beginning what I had been doing and what

had happened. Then she told me that she said to him, " I'm no doctor, but

you have nothing to lose, and you had better get with it! " He said, " I'm

going to. " He knew her history and that she had been doing no standard

treatment and, when his life was on the line, feelings and attitudes

changed.

 

A few months ago a young woman brought her father in law for a visit. He

had been found to have colon cancer and the tumors had practically filled

the colon before it was realized. The doctors decided to try a new approach

and insert a tube to hold the tumors out of the way and allow normal

functions while an experimental chemo was use in an attempt to shrink the

tumors. They came on a Saturday and the procedure was scheduled for Monday.

Not wishing to die for lack of trying all possibilities this man started

using flax oil immediately at four tablespoons a day.

 

He was back in a few weeks for more oil, some for himself and some for some

folks he knew, and was happy. He said the tube was uncomfortable. He said

the tumors were shrinking rapidly and one day he had a big BM and the tube

was not there any more. He has been back several times since then. One

problem is that he is not telling the doctors what he is doing. If he

recovers, as it seems is happening, it will be an interesting result for the

new chemo, or will it?

 

This morning, March 26, 1999, there is a new development that I feel we

should add to this document. On Saturday January 23 I went to a prostate

cancer support group meeting for the first time. It was a bad morning to

drive and a gentleman came for the first, and perhaps only, time. He took a

cancer tape with him. Just after that his wife was found to have a rare,

fast growing tumor that was developing in the aftermath of a mastectomy.

 

The prognosis was very grim and the doctor gave her little hope. It was

determined that chemo would be given in an effort to slow down the cancer

but the only hope for survival would probably have to be stem cell

transplants, which in itself is a dangerous procedure. She was very

concerned and frightened concerning the future. Having become aware of the

values of flaxseed oil she began using it at six tablespoons a day and had

gotten a rebounder and was using that at first, but had to abandon that

because it aggravated something in connection with the chemo, as I

understand. She told the doctor that she was using flaxseed oil. His only

comment was that she should go ahead; that it couldn't hurt.

 

After the third treatment, the tumor has disappeared. The doctor told her

that he could guarantee that the cancer would return unless she went with

further treatment. They are going to do further treatments with a drug that

is supposed to strengthen the immune system.

She is sure that the flaxseed oil has played the major role in the situation

but that won't be recognized. However the only thing that matters is that

the crisis appears to be over, the stem cell procedure won't need to be

used, she is feeling very good abut it but hardly daring to believe yet that

she is facing a normal future. She will be continuing the use of flaxseed

oil and depending on a strong immune system to prevent any recurrence. She

is very much aware that the meeting that day was more than coincidence. The

weather was terrible, her husband almost turned back twice and Mary Anna was

very much opposed to my going. She is aware that The Lord was watching over

her and we believe that also.

 

Three months ago when we were in my doctor's office there was a couple in

the waiting room to whom we spoke briefly. That night the lady called us.

He husband was a retired college professor. His left lung had 85% cancer

involvement. It had been decided to remove the lung at the Thompson

Survival Center in Knoxville, but when the incision was made and the chest

opened it was found that the cancer had spread and it was decided to close

and do what they could with radiation and chemo.

 

The radiation regimen had just been completed but the man and his wife had

decided not to go through the misery of chemo and just live out what time

there was left and let it go at that. The doctor did not disagree with that

decision. The reason the lady called was to tell me that the doctor had

suggested that they come to Rutledge and get flaxseed oil and start using it

at four to eight tablespoons a day.

 

Yesterday the doctor said that she had seen him a week ago. The cancer was

still there but there was no change and he was holding his own.

 

Today, August 1, 1999, the following account appeared in a personal web

site newsletter put out in Texas:

 

We received some wonderful news this week. The niece of close friends of my

parents was diagnosed several months ago with widespread cancer. Basically,

this young 32 year old woman, the mother of three children, was told there

was nothing that the doctors could do for her and she was sent home for

whatever time she had left.

 

My parents told their friends about the use of Flaxseed Oil and cottage

cheese and they discussed it with their niece.

 

She had lost all her appetite and was losing weight as well as having no

energy at all. Shortly her appetite came back, her energy level was almost

back to normal and she was eating regularly again.

 

It has been about three months since this young woman started using flax

oil. At her last doctor's visit all the tumors seem to have disappeared and

everyone is calling it a miracle. I feel certain in this case that I can

name the miracle " The Lord and Flax Oil " . This has really stirred up

everyone in San Antonio.

 

On Wednesday October 13, a couple was visiting in our living room. A few

months back he was also here talking about flaxseed oil. At that time he

told us he had been given about two weeks more to live. He had Leukemia.

He had been treated with chemo, but as I understand it that had been given

up. He felt he had nothing to lose by using flaxseed oil. He is using four

tablespoons per day. As of Wednesday he is again a healthy, robust man with

all tests normal.

 

We are PRAISING THE LORD!! Cliff & Mary Anna Beckwith

 

 

 

 

 

-

<aniko1000

 

Sunday, December 08, 2002 6:11 AM

help

 

 

> HI!

> A friend's mom has been diagnosed with adeno-carcenoma of upper-right

> corner of liver this week. Also diagnosed with adeno-carcenoma of

> pancrease in 1992. Her gold-blader was removed also in 1992. Her

> symtoms: nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, constipation (often) and

> diabetic. She is 75 years old. Medications:Duragetic, Endocent,

> Roxicodone, creon, metaclopromine, preracid, phenergan, laxatives...

> We like to find out what would help her immune system at this point.

> (Her doctors recomending another surgery of the liver..)

> Thank you for any suggestion.

>

>

>

> Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health

> and well being.

>

> list or archives: Gettingwell

>

> ........ Gettingwell-

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> no email......... Gettingwell-nomail

> moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner

> ...... Gettingwell-

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cliff,

 

I am glad that you came to our group.

 

Cliff, has a group on flax oil and cancer at also.

 

Here is a link to his group also.

 

Flax oil for Cancer (Group)

Good group that uses flax oil to treat and control cancer

FlaxSeedOil2/

 

It is also on our group's links page.

 

Cliff has been the " Johnny Appleseed " of flax oil for some years now.

 

He produces tapes on flax oil and cancer and gives them away. He

maintains a website and a group to dissemenate information about the

use of flax oil in the treatment of cancer. All of these activities

are non commercial and he and his friends/relatives bear the expenses

and work load.

 

He is also a very nice, caring person who takes time to help whomever

and wherever he can.

 

Please make Cliff feel welcome to our group and help him in his

activities in any way that you can.

 

kind regards,

 

Frank

 

 

Gettingwell , " Cliff Beckwith " <cliffb865@c...>

wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Recently I became part of this group at Frank's invitation. I

notice some

> members of our own group are here as well and that is good.

>

> About 12 years ago I was dxd with stage IV Prostate Cancer and one

thing led

> to another and by this time we have seen the effect of Flaxseed Oil

in a lot

> of situations involving cancer.

>

> I am going to put on a document or two that may give some ideas.

>

> Cliff

> *********

>

> Recent Significant Developments as of February 27, 1999

>

> Following are some things which may be of significance and which I

would

> like to relate to people who seek information. They are things

which are an

> encouragement to me , and I trust to others as well. At the same

time, I

> am not giving medical advice. What I am doing is giving information

> concerning things that have happened and it is up to each

Individual to do

> with it what he or she wishes.

>

> Most people do not talk to doctors about this as it seems silly,

but it

> isn't and it is a thrill to see people getting well that as far as

doctor's

> expectations are concerned, should be dying.

> This document contains things that I want to tell everybody, and it

just

> occurred to me that I can do it this way and simply send it as an

> attachment. I am fairly new at Email and am feeling my way and

learning as

> I go along. My goal is to get out the greatest possible amount of

> meaningful information in the least possible time.

>

> A year ago last October a lady who is a good friend of ours had a

mammogram

> and it was suspicious. She immediately began using flaxseed at

three

> tablespoons a day. A biopsy was set up for a week later and it was

> malignant. She underwent a lot of tests and when it was determined

that the

> cancer had not spread a mastectomy was recommended. She had to

follow the

> recommendations or tenure would not pay the $3000.00 for the

tests. They

> waited about six weeks trying to get a doctor to do reconstructive

surgery

> at the same time but couldn't arrange it.. Finally, it was felt

that she

> should have the procedure before any spread occurred. The

operation was

> performed and the removed tissue sent to the lab for analysis.

> There were no cancer cells detectable. She said the only good

thing about

> it was that she had told the doctor what she was doing and he

suddenly got

> very interested because his wife had had a double mastectomy and

was not

> doing well.

>

> At the time, I did not know who the doctor was, but I do know now

and all I

> have heard is that his wife is doing well..

>

> On the web page and the tapes the story is related concerning

Maxine. At

> the end of May, 1992 she was in the late stages. She was still

able to

> dress and get meals but then had to lie down. She began using the

oil, half

> heartedly at first, and didn't get worse. Then she used it more

heavily and

> before long an MRI showed all clear. A year later she had to

change doctors

> as the first one moved and the new doctor went over the records and

told her

> that this was a miracle; there was no way she should still be alive.

>

> About a week after Christmas, 1998, she called me and said that she

had had

> a check-up a week before Christmas and all was well. Then the

doctor told

> her he had just found out that HE had cancer. Now, Maxine told me,

I

> decided to tell him from the very beginning what I had been doing

and what

> had happened. Then she told me that she said to him, " I'm no

doctor, but

> you have nothing to lose, and you had better get with it! " He

said, " I'm

> going to. " He knew her history and that she had been doing no

standard

> treatment and, when his life was on the line, feelings and attitudes

> changed.

>

> A few months ago a young woman brought her father in law for a

visit. He

> had been found to have colon cancer and the tumors had practically

filled

> the colon before it was realized. The doctors decided to try a new

approach

> and insert a tube to hold the tumors out of the way and allow normal

> functions while an experimental chemo was use in an attempt to

shrink the

> tumors. They came on a Saturday and the procedure was scheduled

for Monday.

> Not wishing to die for lack of trying all possibilities this man

started

> using flax oil immediately at four tablespoons a day.

>

> He was back in a few weeks for more oil, some for himself and some

for some

> folks he knew, and was happy. He said the tube was uncomfortable.

He said

> the tumors were shrinking rapidly and one day he had a big BM and

the tube

> was not there any more. He has been back several times since

then. One

> problem is that he is not telling the doctors what he is doing. If

he

> recovers, as it seems is happening, it will be an interesting

result for the

> new chemo, or will it?

>

> This morning, March 26, 1999, there is a new development that I

feel we

> should add to this document. On Saturday January 23 I went to a

prostate

> cancer support group meeting for the first time. It was a bad

morning to

> drive and a gentleman came for the first, and perhaps only, time.

He took a

> cancer tape with him. Just after that his wife was found to have a

rare,

> fast growing tumor that was developing in the aftermath of a

mastectomy.

>

> The prognosis was very grim and the doctor gave her little hope.

It was

> determined that chemo would be given in an effort to slow down the

cancer

> but the only hope for survival would probably have to be stem cell

> transplants, which in itself is a dangerous procedure. She was very

> concerned and frightened concerning the future. Having become

aware of the

> values of flaxseed oil she began using it at six tablespoons a day

and had

> gotten a rebounder and was using that at first, but had to abandon

that

> because it aggravated something in connection with the chemo, as I

> understand. She told the doctor that she was using flaxseed oil.

His only

> comment was that she should go ahead; that it couldn't hurt.

>

> After the third treatment, the tumor has disappeared. The doctor

told her

> that he could guarantee that the cancer would return unless she

went with

> further treatment. They are going to do further treatments with a

drug that

> is supposed to strengthen the immune system.

> She is sure that the flaxseed oil has played the major role in the

situation

> but that won't be recognized. However the only thing that matters

is that

> the crisis appears to be over, the stem cell procedure won't need

to be

> used, she is feeling very good abut it but hardly daring to believe

yet that

> she is facing a normal future. She will be continuing the use of

flaxseed

> oil and depending on a strong immune system to prevent any

recurrence. She

> is very much aware that the meeting that day was more than

coincidence. The

> weather was terrible, her husband almost turned back twice and Mary

Anna was

> very much opposed to my going. She is aware that The Lord was

watching over

> her and we believe that also.

>

> Three months ago when we were in my doctor's office there was a

couple in

> the waiting room to whom we spoke briefly. That night the lady

called us.

> He husband was a retired college professor. His left lung had 85%

cancer

> involvement. It had been decided to remove the lung at the Thompson

> Survival Center in Knoxville, but when the incision was made and

the chest

> opened it was found that the cancer had spread and it was decided

to close

> and do what they could with radiation and chemo.

>

> The radiation regimen had just been completed but the man and his

wife had

> decided not to go through the misery of chemo and just live out

what time

> there was left and let it go at that. The doctor did not disagree

with that

> decision. The reason the lady called was to tell me that the

doctor had

> suggested that they come to Rutledge and get flaxseed oil and start

using it

> at four to eight tablespoons a day.

>

> Yesterday the doctor said that she had seen him a week ago. The

cancer was

> still there but there was no change and he was holding his own.

>

> Today, August 1, 1999, the following account appeared in a

personal web

> site newsletter put out in Texas:

>

> We received some wonderful news this week. The niece of close

friends of my

> parents was diagnosed several months ago with widespread cancer.

Basically,

> this young 32 year old woman, the mother of three children, was

told there

> was nothing that the doctors could do for her and she was sent home

for

> whatever time she had left.

>

> My parents told their friends about the use of Flaxseed Oil and

cottage

> cheese and they discussed it with their niece.

>

> She had lost all her appetite and was losing weight as well as

having no

> energy at all. Shortly her appetite came back, her energy level

was almost

> back to normal and she was eating regularly again.

>

> It has been about three months since this young woman started using

flax

> oil. At her last doctor's visit all the tumors seem to have

disappeared and

> everyone is calling it a miracle. I feel certain in this case that

I can

> name the miracle " The Lord and Flax Oil " . This has really stirred

up

> everyone in San Antonio.

>

> On Wednesday October 13, a couple was visiting in our living room.

A few

> months back he was also here talking about flaxseed oil. At that

time he

> told us he had been given about two weeks more to live. He had

Leukemia.

> He had been treated with chemo, but as I understand it that had

been given

> up. He felt he had nothing to lose by using flaxseed oil. He is

using four

> tablespoons per day. As of Wednesday he is again a healthy, robust

man with

> all tests normal.

>

> We are PRAISING THE LORD!! Cliff & Mary Anna Beckwith

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> <aniko1000>

>

> Sunday, December 08, 2002 6:11 AM

> help

>

>

> > HI!

> > A friend's mom has been diagnosed with adeno-carcenoma of upper-

right

> > corner of liver this week. Also diagnosed with adeno-carcenoma of

> > pancrease in 1992. Her gold-blader was removed also in 1992. Her

> > symtoms: nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, constipation (often)

and

> > diabetic. She is 75 years old. Medications:Duragetic, Endocent,

> > Roxicodone, creon, metaclopromine, preracid, phenergan,

laxatives...

> > We like to find out what would help her immune system at this

point.

> > (Her doctors recomending another surgery of the liver..)

> > Thank you for any suggestion.

> >

> >

> >

> > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building

health

> > and well being.

> >

> > list or archives: Gettingwell

> >

> > ........ Gettingwell-

> > post............. Gettingwell

> > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest

> > individual emails Gettingwell-normal

> > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail

> > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner

> > ...... Gettingwell-

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tracy-

Ginger tea works for me. Also, start taking 2 tsp apple cider vinegar in a glass of warm water first thing every morning. You can also take it before each meal.

Chris

 

 

I have real bad gas in my stomach.

Do anyone know how to get reed of it?

[Guest guest]

Tracey, peppermint tea will help relieve it, but what did you eat?

 

Janet

 

-

Tracey Gale

herbal_remedies

Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:09 AM

[herbal remedies] Help

 

I have real bad gas in my stomach.

Do anyone know how to get reed of it?

 

 

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The botanical name for Heliotrope is Heliotropium arborescens. I'm not sure if

there is an oil or not. I'll have to look in my books. HTH

MAKE A HAPPY MEMORY EVERY DAY:

Evelyn

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Janet Golden-Hogan

Friday, August 15, 2003 9:09 PM

Help

 

 

My books are still backed and I am not able to bring this

up from my memory banks.

 

What is the botanical name for heliotrope, is

the an essential oil of it?

 

Thanks oh knowledgeable folks.

 

Pack to box unpacking.

 

Janet

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Evelyn

 

>The botanical name for Heliotrope is Heliotropium arborescens. I'm not

>sure if there is an oil or not. I'll have to look in my books. HTH

>MAKE A HAPPY MEMORY EVERY DAY:

>Evelyn

>Alternasense Skin Design Products

>www.alternasense.com

> -

> Janet Golden-Hogan

>

> Friday, August 15, 2003 9:09 PM

> Help

>

>

> My books are still backed and I am not able to bring this

> up from my memory banks.

>

> What is the botanical name for heliotrope, is

> the an essential oil of it?

>

> Thanks oh knowledgeable folks.

>

> Pack to box unpacking.

>

> Janet

>

>

>

>

> Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves:

>

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