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----- MasterFe: My love to you for responding to my request.........

1. The cause may well be Scoliosis ........I have had no known injury

2. Just the one .......it is 4th or 5th lumbar

3. From what I saw briefly on the x ray it is the top.......they want me to

bend forward and flex the pelvis forward and up.........

4. It is out of alignment about a half inch.......

5. The left foot spurs are the most severe.........the right ankle is also

involved but not with as constant pain as the left.......

6. there is pain even if I am not standing.........

 

Blessed Merry Be Ayn Yezzi

 

> Dear Ayn,

>

> Loving greetings...

>

> If you could kindly answer first the following questions so we can design

a

> specific Pranic Healing treatment for your physical concern. It seems

> there is a connection between the misaligned vertebrae and the heel spur.

>

> 1. What is the cause of this " misaligned vertebrae.? (Would it be

possible

> that the cause is a curvature, like in the case of Scoliosis?)

> 2. How many vertebrae are involved?

> 3. Which part of the bone column is affected?

> 4. Which foot/heel is affected?

>

> Love and light, MasterFe

>

> -

>

> At 09:28 PM 8/7/00 -0400, you wrote:

> >I am new to pranic healing.........I have a chronic problem that is not

> >responding to conventional medicine.....( to pain killing drugs

yes)......I

> >have a misaligned vertebrae and severe heel spurs....The pain is in the

bone

> >from the hips to the heels........can pranic healing be of any benefit

???

> >ayn yezzi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I find with Stevia its a quantity thing- I only need a

miniscle amount, any more and the bitterness comes

though. Great for herb teas- but only a pinch or its

bitter. I find the liquid the same, I havnt tried the

powder.

Love Peela

--- Steve <bigbird3969 wrote:

> The refined (usually a bad word) sweetener, or

> liquid stevia is usually far more sweet than bitter.

> Even most of the white powders are not that bad, but

> some of the powders, and the raw ground herb may

> seem bitter to some, but the white powder is best

> for baking (which dulls the bitterness), and the

> herb is for purists, or the other reported benefits

> (especially external) of the herb; it's also an

> acquired taste (like any sweetener.

>

> Steve

>

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> With all of these, one should avoid taking in

> excess. I'll just comment on the ones I know well,

> since some of these items are apparently proprietary

> products that I have not seen.

>

> Aloe Vera Gel: There should be no reason to take

> more than 1/2 oz. internally in a day. But I have

> never heard of an overdose. Sometimes people

> experience mild diarrhea with it, which is usually

> said by the manufacturers to be a case of the body

> expelling toxins. Normally I use the gel only

> externally, for sunburns and some rashes. The

> flavor is fairly yucchy. If for any reason I want

> to take it internally, might as well go out and buy

> some juice.

>

> Conjugated Linoleic Acid: This is, I think, a type

> of fat, and so should not be taken in excess. There

> should be some label directions. Excess fat, even a

> pure type such as this, gets bound up in body

> tissues where it can inappropriately absorb

> chemicals that the body should be eliminating.

>

> Stevia: Any sweetener will have the same hazard --

> that the appetite will increase afterwards. In

> China it is customary to have sweets before meals. I

> have noticed this works well for me as a diabetic.

> I have experimented with it some, and found that it

> does seem to reduce cravings for sweets but will

> sometimes increase cravings for starches. Some

> people find Stevia to be quite bitter. I suspect

> there are wide variations in how people react to

> this substance, and that we all have a lot more to

> learn about it.

>

> At 10:29 AM 8/21/01 -0400, you wrote:

> >Does anyone know of any health risks or side

> effects to taking any or all of the following:

> >Chromium Picolinate

> >Aloe Vera Gel

> >Collmark

> >Fosmark

> >Leanmark

> >Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA)

> >Stevia

> >

> >Any information would be helpful and appreciated.

> >Thanks!

> >Patie

> -- Michael Riversong **

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> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the

> following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes

> backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

> before using any natural remedy. 3. The

> Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

> physician and to prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome

> to post here as long as they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are

> exactly that, and any person following the advice

> of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting

> advice or products from list members, you are

> agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

> the List Owner and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

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geraldin wrote:

 

> Hi,

> Recently I have gotten two wands. One is of flourite, which I love,

> and the other is amethyst. My question about them is this. The

> amethyst wand is DT, and appears to have been cut this way. It

> doesn't appear to be natural. The faces are all of equal shape and

> size. It is a beautiful wand but feels somewhat confused? Does this

> make sense? The flourite is more natural appearing, but polished, and

> the bottom is smooth and rounded.

> I am wondering if the man-made cut will affect the amethyst, how to

> make it happier. I was reading about using the shakti energies and

> wondered if energetic crystal repair would be good.

 

wands are often carved as you describe to be used as healing wands and

massage tools

It was probably not consulted before being carved . I would explain to

it what has happened and ask if it will work for you as a healing wand.

 

the shakti functions can be very effective in restoring the crystal to

harmony as can more traditional methods of clearing charging and

dedicating which take more time

I have used them on carved wands I have. Some do not seem to be able

to hold balance as well as others so you may need to repeat clear and

harmonize from time to time

 

I get a little confused I guess about the running by intent thing, do I

just say

something like " run energetic crystal repair " ? Is it really that

simple? I guess I have part of me that thinks it has to be more

complicated :)

 

Yes it is that simple, intend clearly to activate the function you want

to run

and think or say your intention

the exact words don't matter either " restore " , " repair " etc.

someone had asked if you had to hold the crystal until the restore

function is done and i don't know because it has always worked very

swiftly I think this function will work to completion after being

activated . certainly I do not direct the work it does.

You could combine this with the remote function and do it without

touching the crystal but I prefer hands on for this.

 

Give it a try and see how it works with this piece

Peggy

 

 

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lol I think my dogs might eat the snails.

 

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" rochelle " <rochelle

<herbal remedies >

Thursday, October 11, 2001 3:52 PM

Fw: [herbal remedies] Question

 

 

> Well they put snails in fishbowls to prevent this as they eat it but I

don't

> really think that is what you had in mind!!;-)

>

> Regards, Rochelle

> www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

> -

> Kristie Crawford <kdcrawford23

> Herbal Remedies <herbal remedies >

> Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:27 PM

> [herbal remedies] Question

>

>

> Good Afternoon,

> I am not sure there is anything that can be done about my problem. I am

> thinking it is algae that sticks to the sides of my dogs water bowls

> outside...is there anything that can be added to the water when filling up

> the bowls to keep them from getting this? If so what is it and how much.

> Thanks,

> Kristie =)

>

>

>

>

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> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

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person

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members free of any liability.

>

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>

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Well they put snails in fishbowls to prevent this as they eat it but I don't

really think that is what you had in mind!!;-)

 

Regards, Rochelle

www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

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Kristie Crawford <kdcrawford23

Herbal Remedies <herbal remedies >

Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:27 PM

[herbal remedies] Question

 

 

Good Afternoon,

I am not sure there is anything that can be done about my problem. I am

thinking it is algae that sticks to the sides of my dogs water bowls

outside...is there anything that can be added to the water when filling up

the bowls to keep them from getting this? If so what is it and how much.

Thanks,

Kristie =)

 

 

 

 

 

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I don't know how practical this is for you, but I have a friend who

keeps his dog's water in a large rubber bowl. He has an " air tube "

running into it from a pump, which circulates air through the water,

much like a fish tank - it's the same kind used in fish tanks.

Inside the water are tadpoles and other small algae eating creatures

that keep the bowl clean. The dog drinks from the bowl and does not

seemed concerned with the things swimming around in it. The bowl

remains algae free! Intersting solution, huh?

Molly B

 

 

herbal remedies, " Kristie Crawford " <kdcrawford23@e...>

wrote:

> Good Afternoon,

> I am not sure there is anything that can be done about my problem.

I am thinking it is algae that sticks to the sides of my dogs water

bowls outside...is there anything that can be added to the water when

filling up the bowls to keep them from getting this? If so what is

it and how much.

> Thanks,

> Kristie =)

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yes very interesting. I only wish my dogs weren't so nosey. I know they

would try to eat it. My Xena ate a lizard one day. They are very nosey

dogs so can only hope for another solution lol

Kristie

 

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Friday, October 12, 2001 5:50 PM

[herbal remedies] Re: Question

 

 

> I don't know how practical this is for you, but I have a friend who

> keeps his dog's water in a large rubber bowl. He has an " air tube "

> running into it from a pump, which circulates air through the water,

> much like a fish tank - it's the same kind used in fish tanks.

> Inside the water are tadpoles and other small algae eating creatures

> that keep the bowl clean. The dog drinks from the bowl and does not

> seemed concerned with the things swimming around in it. The bowl

> remains algae free! Intersting solution, huh?

> Molly B

>

>

> herbal remedies, " Kristie Crawford " <kdcrawford23@e...>

> wrote:

> > Good Afternoon,

> > I am not sure there is anything that can be done about my problem.

> I am thinking it is algae that sticks to the sides of my dogs water

> bowls outside...is there anything that can be added to the water when

> filling up the bowls to keep them from getting this? If so what is

> it and how much.

> > Thanks,

> > Kristie =)

>

>

>

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Lol! Hmmm raw lizard, sounds like survival food! haha...hopefully

someone else has a better solution! Molly B

 

herbal remedies, " Kristie or Patrick Crawford "

<kdcrawford23@e...> wrote:

> yes very interesting. I only wish my dogs weren't so nosey. I

know they

> would try to eat it. My Xena ate a lizard one day. They are very

nosey

> dogs so can only hope for another solution lol

> Kristie

>

> -

> <molly.bigknife-antonio@f...>

> <herbal remedies>

> Friday, October 12, 2001 5:50 PM

> [herbal remedies] Re: Question

>

>

> > I don't know how practical this is for you, but I have a friend

who

> > keeps his dog's water in a large rubber bowl. He has an " air

tube "

> > running into it from a pump, which circulates air through the

water,

> > much like a fish tank - it's the same kind used in fish tanks.

> > Inside the water are tadpoles and other small algae eating

creatures

> > that keep the bowl clean. The dog drinks from the bowl and does

not

> > seemed concerned with the things swimming around in it. The bowl

> > remains algae free! Intersting solution, huh?

> > Molly B

> >

> >

> > herbal remedies, " Kristie Crawford "

<kdcrawford23@e...>

> > wrote:

> > > Good Afternoon,

> > > I am not sure there is anything that can be done about my

problem.

> > I am thinking it is algae that sticks to the sides of my dogs

water

> > bowls outside...is there anything that can be added to the water

when

> > filling up the bowls to keep them from getting this? If so what

is

> > it and how much.

> > > Thanks,

> > > Kristie =)

> >

> >

> >

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> MM all. Most of you won't know me, as I can not be involved in this

> group right now. I am wishing to know what sort of crystals/stones

> would be beneficial for bringing in positive energy. I suffer from

> severe depression and am looking for alternatives. Hope someone can

> help me. Blessings from Ace

 

Hi Ace , we are on a couple of other lists too ,stones that help counteract

depression include Rose quartz, Lepediolite, green and gold needle form

Selenite, holey stone, agate, gold , smoky quartz, .howlite, tigers eye,

amber , sunstone

here is an attunement you ( and anyone else ) can call in by intending to

receive it (only takes a moment to come in .its a Le'a (happiness) elixir

attunement to use this you hold a glass of water or other clear non

alcoholic beverage and run le'a into the water (like you would run Reiki or

another energy) then drink the water drink one or two glasses daily . after

a month I can do an attunement that will allow you to run it as an energy .

This attunement is from Huna.

I am sure other list members will have suggestions as well.

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Hello, Ace,

A wonderful combination of stones AND aromatherapy might very very conducive

to the relieving of depressing. Wearing or holding amber while burning amber

incense is quite effective. If incense bothers you, I've still had luck just

wearing amber to relieve the blues. Sometimes we just need the sun to shine

in our lives, and amber allows us to see that on a more emotional level.

There are many stones that helps the emotions and aids depression recovery,

but quite frankly, amber has been the best for me (then again, we all attune

differently to stones). I hope this helps you, Ace.

 

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Ace,

 

I like to use a combination of black tourmaline to absorb/transmute

negative energy and my favorite " happy stone " , peridot. Also, since

depression can feel like a bottomless pit, try changing little silly

things. If you normally put your right shoe on first, start with the

left. Put the milk and sugar in your coffee mug BEFORE pouring the

coffee in. Anything to shake things up a bit. It can't hurt!

 

Don't forget to ask for help. There are a wealth of energy workers on

this list alone.

 

Sally

 

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> MM all. Most of you won't know me, as I can not be involved in this

> group right now. I am wishing to know what sort of crystals/stones

> would be beneficial for bringing in positive energy. I suffer from

> severe depression and am looking for alternatives. Hope someone can

> help me. Blessings from Ace

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, " Aradius SilverWillow "

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> Hello, Ace,

> A wonderful combination of stones AND aromatherapy might very very

conducive

 

YES! Don't forget the aroma therapy. I have seen amazing and

immediate results from the use of flower essences.

Timmi

>

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Hi Kim

 

My husband had the same problem and I soaked his feet for 20 minutes or so in hot water with olive oil in. This helped to soften the skin and then I gently used a pumice stone to scrape away the skin buildup. Another nice soak to relax the feet and then I applied herbal cream (an ordinary moisturiser) and on the parts that were really rather sore, I applied aloe vera directly from my plant (sorry, I don't know what type of aloe plant!)

 

It worked great and his feet are much much better now...

 

Best wishes

Yvonne

 

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Saturday, April 13, 2002 7:59 AM

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Hi Doc, Hi Micheal,Hope everyone is well. I have'nt seen you all in awhile. Headaches are still abundant, but Im dealingwith those. Do you have a remedy for hard cracking feet? I'd liketo have my feet in nice condition for the summer.Thanks,Kim Tax Center - online filing with TurboTaxhttp://taxes./Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Olive oil, almond oil, or sesame oil massaged into the feet. For extreme

cases, twice a day is necessary.

 

Sorry the headaches are not getting relieved. Chronic headaches are among

the most difficult medical problems to solve. Again, there may be a problem

on another level, not physical.

 

At 10:59 PM 4/12/02 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi Doc, Hi Micheal,

>

>Hope everyone is well. I have'nt seen you all in a

>while. Headaches are still abundant, but Im dealing

>with those.

>

>Do you have a remedy for hard cracking feet? I'd like

>to have my feet in nice condition for the summer.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Kim

>

>

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Hi Kim,

I take it you're doing the PP for those headaches.

I further recommend the bowel cleansing and the Cayenne to help in that area.

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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Hi Doc, Hi Micheal,Hope everyone is well. I have'nt seen you all in awhile. Headaches are still abundant, but Im dealingwith those. Do you have a remedy for hard cracking feet? I'd liketo have my feet in nice condition for the summer.Thanks,Kim

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Be very cautious with Sucanat. That's in Diet Rite Cola, which a friend is

very into. It has a bad effect on me. I think perhaps it's a bit too

high-tech for the human body.

 

All sugar substitutes have in common the fact that they will cause cravings

for more food. The craving usually lasts about 20 minutes after consumption.

I saw a study once that showed people who drink diet sodas actually eat more

than everyone else!

 

On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:23:34 -0500 Ellen Carter <secarter wrote:

 

> I just read your

> The Myth and The Mystery

> article...wonderful!!!!  I have 2 children

>

> " dx'd "   ADD and ADHD!!!  Right now,

> all they take is a product from my

> health food store containing Fish Oil and

> Evening Primrose Oil. 

>

> I do have a

> question....in the part about sugar, you

> mention only Organic Raw Honey (which I

> have wonderful access to plenty of that!!),

> Organic Maple Syrup, and Organic

> Stevia Products.  What about Organic

> Sucanat? Is this an acceptable

> product?

> Thanks for your

> help!!!!

> Love,Ellen

 

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I have a friend whose cancer is in remission and I would love to get her a

stone. I would like to buy her one that is like a worry stone. You know

the flat ones that you can rub in your pocket? Any suggestions?

 

Fea.

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, " Fea " <Fea@i...> wrote:

> I have a friend whose cancer is in remission and I would love to

get her a stone. I would like to buy her one that is like a worry

stone. You know the flat ones that you can rub in your pocket? Any

suggestions?

 

 

 

Hi, Fea -- I'd recommend Azurite-malachite (which is a good liver

stimulant and detoxifier -- it also stimulates the immune system and

helps dissolve tumors and other unharmonious cell growth. Other

suggestions would be calcite and flourite. Blessings, Linda

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:46 PM

Question

 

 

> Hello Everyone,

>

>

>

> I have type 2 diabetes, and a fatty liver!! Would it be alright to

start

> taking Niacin. Anyone know??

>

>

>

> Thanks for your help

>

>

>

> Marianne

 

I was getting ready to pose nearly the same question to this

list. I have been pondering the niacin question now for over a year.

I have heard conflicting reports about use of niacin for diabetics

(see below). I know nothing of fatty livers, so can't guess about

that one. Niacin does indeed raise blood glucose levels.

However, taking niacin does supposedly does not negatively impact

long-term blood glucose levels as measured by glycosylated hemoglobin

A1c (HbA1c).

 

Back before I fired my doctor I asked her about this very

topic & showed her the info I have placed below. I asked her if it

would be ok for me to take niacin but just adjust the blood glucose

aim points I was looking to achieve (which she had informed me should

be under 127 for fasting glucose measurement, and under 200 for post

prandial). And if so, how much should I adjust the aim points. My

doc told me not to take niacin & I should in *no* circumstances

adjust the aim points higher.

 

I have recently been reading the really good stuff about

niacin posted to this list & am now re-thinking the niacin question.

But I have no answers. I have no money to purchase HbA1c blood

testing. So I am nervous about taking niacin. Back last year, I

did some experimentation. Niacin does indeed spike my blood sugar &

keeps the blood glucose readings high for several days after a single

500 mg dose. The raised blood sugar appears to be cumulative (the

readings keep climbing if I take niacin daily). I have only taken

niacin for 7 days in a row, but so no plateau in my fasting glucose

readings, so I stopped. Also, the readings take nearly a week to

return to " normal " after I stop taking niacin if I have taken 500 mg

a day for a week.

 

Alobar

 

 

Niacin is relatively contraindicated in diabetic patients because it

can worsen blood sugar control. In selected patients, Niacin may be

used, but blood sugar control must be monitored closely.

http://www.aboutdiabetes-endocrinology.com/1_dia/dm09_cholesterol.htm

 

 

The ADMIT Study: A Randomized Trial

JAMA. 2000;284:1263-1270

There are concerns regarding the use of niacin in patients with

diabetes because of the potential negative effect on glycemic

control. In this report, Elam and colleagues describe results of a

study to assess the effect of niacin treatment on plasma lipoproteins

and glycemic control in patients enrolled in the Arterial Disease

Multiple Intervention Trial (ADMIT). The ADMIT is a prospective,

placebo-controlled trial of patients with peripheral artery disease

to evaluate the effect of niacin, antioxidant vitamins, and low-dose

warfarin on risk factors for atherosclerosis. Of the 468 participants

enrolled in the ADMIT, 125 had diabetes.

 

During a 12-week run in period, all patients received niacin at doses

that were increased at 4-week intervals. Subjects were then

randomized to receive either 3000 mg/d or a maximally tolerated

amount of niacin or placebo for 48 weeks.

 

Compared with placebo, treatment with niacin resulted in a

significant increase in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol and

significant decreases in triglycerides and low-density lipoprotein

cholesterol in subjects with and without diabetes. Niacin treatment

resulted in a small but statistically significant increase in glucose

in patients with and without diabetes, respectively (0.4 and 0.3

mmol/L). Treatment with niacin was not associated with an increase in

glycosylated hemoglobin A1c (HbA1c) in patients with diabetes.

 

The investigators concluded that for diabetic patients who cannot

tolerate or do not adequately respond to statin or fibrate drugs,

niacin might provide a therapeutic alternative.

www.diabetesincontrol.com/issue30/item9.htm

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Alobar,

I've done searches on Niacin and diabetes, and I am definetly confused

(doesn't take much) if Niacin would be helpful or not. But then I also read

that one should not take Niacin if you have liver problems, so I don't know

if a fatty liver is a severe problem. Well let's hope someone responds to

our post and gives us some insight to your question.

 

MArianne

 

----

 

gettingwell

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:16:07 PM

gettingwell

Re: Question

 

 

-

" Marianne " <mschulz10

 

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:46 PM

Question

 

 

> Hello Everyone,

>

>

>

> I have type 2 diabetes, and a fatty liver!! Would it be alright to

start

> taking Niacin. Anyone know??

>

>

>

> Thanks for your help

>

>

>

> Marianne

 

I was getting ready to pose nearly the same question to this

list. I have been pondering the niacin question now for over a year.

I have heard conflicting reports about use of niacin for diabetics

(see below). I know nothing of fatty livers, so can't guess about

that one. Niacin does indeed raise blood glucose levels.

However, taking niacin does supposedly does not negatively impact

long-term blood glucose levels as measured by glycosylated hemoglobin

A1c (HbA1c).

 

Back before I fired my doctor I asked her about this very

topic & showed her the info I have placed below. I asked her if it

would be ok for me to take niacin but just adjust the blood glucose

aim points I was looking to achieve (which she had informed me should

be under 127 for fasting glucose measurement, and under 200 for post

prandial). And if so, how much should I adjust the aim points. My

doc told me not to take niacin & I should in *no* circumstances

adjust the aim points higher.

 

I have recently been reading the really good stuff about

niacin posted to this list & am now re-thinking the niacin question.

But I have no answers. I have no money to purchase HbA1c blood

testing. So I am nervous about taking niacin. Back last year, I

did some experimentation. Niacin does indeed spike my blood sugar &

keeps the blood glucose readings high for several days after a single

500 mg dose. The raised blood sugar appears to be cumulative (the

readings keep climbing if I take niacin daily). I have only taken

niacin for 7 days in a row, but so no plateau in my fasting glucose

readings, so I stopped. Also, the readings take nearly a week to

return to " normal " after I stop taking niacin if I have taken 500 mg

a day for a week.

 

Alobar

 

 

Niacin is relatively contraindicated in diabetic patients because it

can worsen blood sugar control. In selected patients, Niacin may be

used, but blood sugar control must be monitored closely.

http://www.aboutdiabetes-endocrinology.com/1_dia/dm09_cholesterol.htm

 

 

The ADMIT Study: A Randomized Trial

JAMA. 2000;284:1263-1270

There are concerns regarding the use of niacin in patients with

diabetes because of the potential negative effect on glycemic

control. In this report, Elam and colleagues describe results of a

study to assess the effect of niacin treatment on plasma lipoproteins

and glycemic control in patients enrolled in the Arterial Disease

Multiple Intervention Trial (ADMIT). The ADMIT is a prospective,

placebo-controlled trial of patients with peripheral artery disease

to evaluate the effect of niacin, antioxidant vitamins, and low-dose

warfarin on risk factors for atherosclerosis. Of the 468 participants

enrolled in the ADMIT, 125 had diabetes.

 

During a 12-week run in period, all patients received niacin at doses

that were increased at 4-week intervals. Subjects were then

randomized to receive either 3000 mg/d or a maximally tolerated

amount of niacin or placebo for 48 weeks.

 

Compared with placebo, treatment with niacin resulted in a

significant increase in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol and

significant decreases in triglycerides and low-density lipoprotein

cholesterol in subjects with and without diabetes. Niacin treatment

resulted in a small but statistically significant increase in glucose

in patients with and without diabetes, respectively (0.4 and 0.3

mmol/L). Treatment with niacin was not associated with an increase in

glycosylated hemoglobin A1c (HbA1c) in patients with diabetes.

 

The investigators concluded that for diabetic patients who cannot

tolerate or do not adequately respond to statin or fibrate drugs,

niacin might provide a therapeutic alternative.

www.diabetesincontrol.com/issue30/item9.htm

 

 

 

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Anyone know of a website where one can ask questions like

this & get answers from an orthomolecular doctor? I'd even be

willing to pay a small fee to get reasonable answers.

 

Alobar

 

 

-

" Marianne " <mschulz10

<gettingwell >

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:04 PM

Re: Question

 

 

> Alobar,

> I've done searches on Niacin and diabetes, and I am definetly

confused

> (doesn't take much) if Niacin would be helpful or not. But then I

also read

> that one should not take Niacin if you have liver problems, so I

don't know

> if a fatty liver is a severe problem. Well let's hope someone

responds to

> our post and gives us some insight to your question.

>

> MArianne

>

> ----

>

> gettingwell

> Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:16:07 PM

> gettingwell

> Re: Question

>

>

> -

> " Marianne " <mschulz10

>

> Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:46 PM

> Question

>

>

> > Hello Everyone,

> >

> >

> >

> > I have type 2 diabetes, and a fatty liver!! Would it be alright

to

> start

> > taking Niacin. Anyone know??

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks for your help

> >

> >

> >

> > Marianne

>

> I was getting ready to pose nearly the same question to

this

> list. I have been pondering the niacin question now for over a

year.

> I have heard conflicting reports about use of niacin for diabetics

> (see below). I know nothing of fatty livers, so can't guess about

> that one. Niacin does indeed raise blood glucose levels.

> However, taking niacin does supposedly does not negatively impact

> long-term blood glucose levels as measured by glycosylated

hemoglobin

> A1c (HbA1c).

>

> Back before I fired my doctor I asked her about this very

> topic & showed her the info I have placed below. I asked her if it

> would be ok for me to take niacin but just adjust the blood glucose

> aim points I was looking to achieve (which she had informed me

should

> be under 127 for fasting glucose measurement, and under 200 for

post

> prandial). And if so, how much should I adjust the aim points.

My

> doc told me not to take niacin & I should in *no* circumstances

> adjust the aim points higher.

>

> I have recently been reading the really good stuff about

> niacin posted to this list & am now re-thinking the niacin

question.

> But I have no answers. I have no money to purchase HbA1c blood

> testing. So I am nervous about taking niacin. Back last year, I

> did some experimentation. Niacin does indeed spike my blood sugar

&

> keeps the blood glucose readings high for several days after a

single

> 500 mg dose. The raised blood sugar appears to be cumulative (the

> readings keep climbing if I take niacin daily). I have only taken

> niacin for 7 days in a row, but so no plateau in my fasting glucose

> readings, so I stopped. Also, the readings take nearly a week to

> return to " normal " after I stop taking niacin if I have taken 500

mg

> a day for a week.

>

> Alobar

>

>

> Niacin is relatively contraindicated in diabetic patients because

it

> can worsen blood sugar control. In selected patients, Niacin may be

> used, but blood sugar control must be monitored closely.

>

http://www.aboutdiabetes-endocrinology.com/1_dia/dm09_cholesterol.htm

>

>

> The ADMIT Study: A Randomized Trial

> JAMA. 2000;284:1263-1270

> There are concerns regarding the use of niacin in patients with

> diabetes because of the potential negative effect on glycemic

> control. In this report, Elam and colleagues describe results of a

> study to assess the effect of niacin treatment on plasma

lipoproteins

> and glycemic control in patients enrolled in the Arterial Disease

> Multiple Intervention Trial (ADMIT). The ADMIT is a prospective,

> placebo-controlled trial of patients with peripheral artery disease

> to evaluate the effect of niacin, antioxidant vitamins, and

low-dose

> warfarin on risk factors for atherosclerosis. Of the 468

participants

> enrolled in the ADMIT, 125 had diabetes.

>

> During a 12-week run in period, all patients received niacin at

doses

> that were increased at 4-week intervals. Subjects were then

> randomized to receive either 3000 mg/d or a maximally tolerated

> amount of niacin or placebo for 48 weeks.

>

> Compared with placebo, treatment with niacin resulted in a

> significant increase in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol and

> significant decreases in triglycerides and low-density lipoprotein

> cholesterol in subjects with and without diabetes. Niacin treatment

> resulted in a small but statistically significant increase in

glucose

> in patients with and without diabetes, respectively (0.4 and 0.3

> mmol/L). Treatment with niacin was not associated with an increase

in

> glycosylated hemoglobin A1c (HbA1c) in patients with diabetes.

>

> The investigators concluded that for diabetic patients who cannot

> tolerate or do not adequately respond to statin or fibrate drugs,

> niacin might provide a therapeutic alternative.

> www.diabetesincontrol.com/issue30/item9.htm

>

>

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Gettingwell , " Alobar " <alobar@b...> wrote:

> Anyone know of a website where one can ask questions like

> this & get answers from an orthomolecular doctor? I'd even be

> willing to pay a small fee to get reasonable answers.

>

> Alobar

>

Alobar,

 

Dr.Whitaker has a message board where one can get some answers.

 

http://www.drwhitaker.com

 

JoAnn

>

> -

> " Marianne " <mschulz10@s...>

> <gettingwell >

> Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:04 PM

> Re: Question

>

>

> > Alobar,

> > I've done searches on Niacin and diabetes, and I am definetly

> confused

> > (doesn't take much) if Niacin would be helpful or not. But then I

> also read

> > that one should not take Niacin if you have liver problems, so I

> don't know

> > if a fatty liver is a severe problem. Well let's hope someone

> responds to

> > our post and gives us some insight to your question.

> >

> > MArianne

> >

> > ----

> >

> > gettingwell

> > Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:16:07 PM

> > gettingwell

> > Re: Question

> >

> >

> > -

> > " Marianne " <mschulz10@s...>

> >

> > Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:46 PM

> > Question

> >

> >

> > > Hello Everyone,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I have type 2 diabetes, and a fatty liver!! Would it be alright

> to

> > start

> > > taking Niacin. Anyone know??

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks for your help

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Marianne

> >

> > I was getting ready to pose nearly the same question to

> this

> > list. I have been pondering the niacin question now for over a

> year.

> > I have heard conflicting reports about use of niacin for diabetics

> > (see below). I know nothing of fatty livers, so can't guess

about

> > that one. Niacin does indeed raise blood glucose levels.

> > However, taking niacin does supposedly does not negatively impact

> > long-term blood glucose levels as measured by glycosylated

> hemoglobin

> > A1c (HbA1c).

> >

> > Back before I fired my doctor I asked her about this very

> > topic & showed her the info I have placed below. I asked her if

it

> > would be ok for me to take niacin but just adjust the blood

glucose

> > aim points I was looking to achieve (which she had informed me

> should

> > be under 127 for fasting glucose measurement, and under 200 for

> post

> > prandial). And if so, how much should I adjust the aim points.

> My

> > doc told me not to take niacin & I should in *no* circumstances

> > adjust the aim points higher.

> >

> > I have recently been reading the really good stuff about

> > niacin posted to this list & am now re-thinking the niacin

> question.

> > But I have no answers. I have no money to purchase HbA1c blood

> > testing. So I am nervous about taking niacin. Back last year, I

> > did some experimentation. Niacin does indeed spike my blood sugar

> &

> > keeps the blood glucose readings high for several days after a

> single

> > 500 mg dose. The raised blood sugar appears to be cumulative (the

> > readings keep climbing if I take niacin daily). I have only

taken

> > niacin for 7 days in a row, but so no plateau in my fasting

glucose

> > readings, so I stopped. Also, the readings take nearly a week to

> > return to " normal " after I stop taking niacin if I have taken 500

> mg

> > a day for a week.

> >

> > Alobar

> >

> >

> > Niacin is relatively contraindicated in diabetic patients because

> it

> > can worsen blood sugar control. In selected patients, Niacin may

be

> > used, but blood sugar control must be monitored closely.

> >

> http://www.aboutdiabetes-

endocrinology.com/1_dia/dm09_cholesterol.htm

> >

> >

> > The ADMIT Study: A Randomized Trial

> > JAMA. 2000;284:1263-1270

> > There are concerns regarding the use of niacin in patients with

> > diabetes because of the potential negative effect on glycemic

> > control. In this report, Elam and colleagues describe results of a

> > study to assess the effect of niacin treatment on plasma

> lipoproteins

> > and glycemic control in patients enrolled in the Arterial Disease

> > Multiple Intervention Trial (ADMIT). The ADMIT is a prospective,

> > placebo-controlled trial of patients with peripheral artery

disease

> > to evaluate the effect of niacin, antioxidant vitamins, and

> low-dose

> > warfarin on risk factors for atherosclerosis. Of the 468

> participants

> > enrolled in the ADMIT, 125 had diabetes.

> >

> > During a 12-week run in period, all patients received niacin at

> doses

> > that were increased at 4-week intervals. Subjects were then

> > randomized to receive either 3000 mg/d or a maximally tolerated

> > amount of niacin or placebo for 48 weeks.

> >

> > Compared with placebo, treatment with niacin resulted in a

> > significant increase in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol and

> > significant decreases in triglycerides and low-density lipoprotein

> > cholesterol in subjects with and without diabetes. Niacin

treatment

> > resulted in a small but statistically significant increase in

> glucose

> > in patients with and without diabetes, respectively (0.4 and 0.3

> > mmol/L). Treatment with niacin was not associated with an increase

> in

> > glycosylated hemoglobin A1c (HbA1c) in patients with diabetes.

> >

> > The investigators concluded that for diabetic patients who cannot

> > tolerate or do not adequately respond to statin or fibrate drugs,

> > niacin might provide a therapeutic alternative.

> > www.diabetesincontrol.com/issue30/item9.htm

> >

> >

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Thanks. I'll pass on any good info I get there.

 

Alobar

 

 

 

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:04 PM

Re: Question

 

 

> Gettingwell , " Alobar " <alobar@b...> wrote:

> > Anyone know of a website where one can ask questions like

> > this & get answers from an orthomolecular doctor? I'd even be

> > willing to pay a small fee to get reasonable answers.

> >

> > Alobar

> >

> Alobar,

>

> Dr.Whitaker has a message board where one can get some answers.

>

> http://www.drwhitaker.com

>

> JoAnn

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Gettingwell , Marianne <mschulz10@s...> wrote:

> Hello Everyone,

>

>

>

> I have type 2 diabetes, and a fatty liver!! Would it be alright to

start

> taking Niacin. Anyone know??

>

>

>

> Thanks for your help

>

>

>

> Marianne

>

 

Marianne,

Vitamin B3 comes in two forms: niacin (nicotinic acid) and

niacinamide. Our bodies can make niacinamide from tryptophan.

There is a world of difference between Niacin and niacinamide.

 

Apparently Niacin (nicotinic acid) should not be taken when you have

diabetic tendencies, however there are no such contraindications for

the other forms of Vitamin B3 known as Niacinamide.

Niacin deficiency is quite common in people who eat corn-based diets

because the niacin contained in the corn is unabsorbable.

I would check your prescription medicines,... there are numerous meds

that are known to interact with Niacin, otherwise known

as " nicotinic acid " .

In individuals with liver disorders, high dose niacin therapy needs

to be closely monitored by a physician, since it can cause elevations

in liver function tests!

Also consult with a professional if you have a history of ulcers, as

high doses may also exacerbate a pre-existing gastric or duodenal

ulcer!

Caution must be exercised when using time-release or sustained

release (SR) niacin, even under professional advice, yielded reports

of liver toxicity!.

 

JoAnn Guest

mrsjoguest

Friendsforhealthnaturally

DietaryTipsForHBP

http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/AIM.html

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JoAnn,

thank you for your answer and explaination. But could you please explain the

difference to me, re Niacin and Niacinamide? If one takes niacinamide should

you also take something else with it? Would you also know how my fatty liver

will hold up by taking it, or perhaps something else?

 

Thanks,

MArianne

 

----

 

gettingwell

Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:55:29 AM

gettingwell

Re: Question

 

Gettingwell , Marianne <mschulz10@s...> wrote:

> Hello Everyone,

>

>

>

> I have type 2 diabetes, and a fatty liver!! Would it be alright to

start

> taking Niacin. Anyone know??

>

>

>

> Thanks for your help

>

>

>

> Marianne

>

 

Marianne,

Vitamin B3 comes in two forms: niacin (nicotinic acid) and

niacinamide. Our bodies can make niacinamide from tryptophan.

There is a world of difference between Niacin and niacinamide.

 

Apparently Niacin (nicotinic acid) should not be taken when you have

diabetic tendencies, however there are no such contraindications for

the other forms of Vitamin B3 known as Niacinamide.

Niacin deficiency is quite common in people who eat corn-based diets

because the niacin contained in the corn is unabsorbable.

I would check your prescription medicines,... there are numerous meds

that are known to interact with Niacin, otherwise known

as " nicotinic acid " .

In individuals with liver disorders, high dose niacin therapy needs

to be closely monitored by a physician, since it can cause elevations

in liver function tests!

Also consult with a professional if you have a history of ulcers, as

high doses may also exacerbate a pre-existing gastric or duodenal

ulcer!

Caution must be exercised when using time-release or sustained

release (SR) niacin, even under professional advice, yielded reports

of liver toxicity!.

 

JoAnn Guest

mrsjoguest

Friendsforhealthnaturally

DietaryTipsForHBP

http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/AIM.html

 

 

 

 

 

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