Guest guest Report post Posted March 18, 2000 Kim: Garlic seems to have many immune boosting and antimicrobial properties. I have not tried using it for an antihistamine, but frankly, I eat a lot of raw garlic and I don't imagine it is nearly as harsh as chemical antihistamines, which really dehydrate you. I will admit, Ken, that my husband and I are very omnivorous and neither of us are prone to allergies or colds. It may be that you have a particular food allergy to complex proteins like red meat. Kim, I can't really give you medical recommendations, but it certainly wouldn't hurt your daughter to try garlic, since it is a food substance. I wouldn't take her off any prescribed meds without consulting a medical professional, however. Blessings, Crow Kim Beckett wrote: > " Kim Beckett " <Dolphinn > > Hi, > > I found that when I stopped eating red meat, I stopped getting colds. > Also, " kyolic " - odorless, tasteless garlic is a very effective natural > anti-histamine. > > Best of luck. > > Ken > > Could you please tell me a little more about kyolic. How do you take it. > When you say it is a anti-histamine do you mean it effects the immune system > the same way chemical ones do. My 5 yo daughter has very large adenoids and > tonsils which are going to be removed next month. The Dr. also told me that > she might have allergies because her adenoids have a greyish tinge to them > and she advised me to get an anti-histamine. Would this help her? > > Thanks, Kim > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 16, 2001 LOL!!! OH yeah. Got a problem? Garlic MUST be the answer!!! Just bring a clothes pin for your nose!! LOL! Heather - " Gabrielle " <sorcy > goodness, another garlicohlic <giggle> > Welcome to the smelly bunch dearest > > Sorcygrinning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 16, 2001 Heidi Scholes wrote: > Mind if I add one more black humor item to the Alzheimer's thread? (I can do > this, I'm at the CRS stage myself) So what is CRS??? ************************* joanr My Country Garden http://mycountrygarden.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 16, 2001 Can't remember s--t. Take good care and have a great day. Love, Renee and Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 17, 2001 Heidi Scholes wrote: > Mind if I add one more black humor item to the Alzheimer's thread? (I can do > this, I'm at the CRS stage myself) > The best thing about Alzheimer's is you get to meet new people everyday! > Please laugh, sometimes it's the only medicine that will work I am at quite a disadavantage at times with my mother (who doesn't have Alzheimer's, hopefully never.....she has dementia (the short term memory kind) as she forgets all the bad things that have happened too! My memory is actually TOO good as I remember just about everything....whether I want to or not....................Joan ************************* joanr My Country Garden http://mycountrygarden.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2002 Hello PJ: Allicin is the effective ingredient of garlic that you are referring to. That component is not in uncrushed garlic. When it is cut or crushed (or even peeled, according to UNC), the components in garlic, alliin and allinase come together to create the allicin which gives it its odor. There is currently a lot of debate as to whether or not allicin is the effective garlic ingredient. Garlic is still being studied in laboratories and at the university level and they are still identifying ingredients and are not sure which one does what. One of the difficulties with allicin is that it is highly unstable and has a half-life of less than 3 hours. That means that if you crush a clove of garlic the allicin is totally gone within a couple of days. Yet in an earlier post I gave the recipe for garlic oil, and it sits at room temperature for 11 days and is still effective. It is the effectiveness of garlic when the allicin has totally left it that creates lots of debate. But whether or not allicin is the most effective ingredient, many studies indicate that garlic works for a host of remedies. Jay <<It is my understading that garlic must be bruised or crushed to become effective. This bruising causes two chemicals in the garlic to react with each other to form the effective compound. It was recommended to cut a clove into halves or fourths. Then put one part into a spoon and using another spoon, mash till it is squashed pretty good. Then swallow. It is much more effective this way supposedly. Best wishes, pj>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2002 Jay, I must have missed the post on garlic oil... Could you send me the recipe, thanks.. Suzi JayTownsend wrote: Hello PJ:Allicin is the effective ingredient of garlic that you are referring to. That component is not in uncrushed garlic. When it is cut or crushed (or even peeled, according to UNC), the components in garlic, alliin and allinase come together to create the allicin which gives it its odor.There is currently a lot of debate as to whether or not allicin is the effective garlic ingredient. Garlic is still being studied in laboratories and at the university level and they are still identifying ingredients and are not sure which one does what. One of the difficulties with allicin is that it is highly unstable and has a half-life of less than 3 hours. That means that if you crush a clove of garlic the allicin is totally gone within a couple of days. Yet in an earlier post I gave the recipe for garlic oil, and it sits at room temperature for 11 days and is still effective. It is the effectiveness of garlic when the allicin has totally left it that creates lots of debate. But whether or not allicin is the most effective ingredient, many studies indicate that garlic works for a host of remedies.Jay<<It is my understading that garlic must be bruised orcrushed to become effective. This bruising causes twochemicals in the garlic to react with each other toform the effective compound. It was recommended tocut a clove into halves or fourths. Then put one partinto a spoon and using another spoon, mash till it issquashed pretty good. Then swallow. It is much moreeffective this way supposedly. Best wishes, pj>>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2002 Dear Tom, It's a little hard for me to comment on your own personal aversion to garlic when I know nothing about you, and you give me no data on your health and personal nutrition, etc. etc. But I can guarantee you this, I have never run into a case of a true allergy to garlic. Never! As a matter of fact, when patients have come to me with a supposed allergy to garlic, it was garlic that helped them terminatedly handle their chronic condition used with a cleansing and health building program. It is not always the case, but in many instances what the body needs most, it can't have. It just can't have what it needs the most. This phenomenon is handled by giving very small quantities of the item in conjunction with a Cleansing and Health building program. I hope this clarifies it for you. Love, Doc Dr. Ian Shillington505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - tvogel1104 Dr. Ian Shillington ; herbal remedies Monday, October 28, 2002 6:03 PM [herbal remedies] Garlic Ok so bodies don't have allergy to garlic? My nabuor cooks with it andthe smells so strong it gives me headaches .I have to close all thedoors and windows. If I eat any I burp like crazy and my head hurtsTom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 29, 2003 Fran, I eat 3-5 gloves daily (raw) myself and knocking on wood everyone around me is ill but I remain sniffle free etc. I also consume the apple cider vinegar too. Here is some info I download of the net about garlic. Hope the list enjoys. Jane a clove a day the medicinal properties of garlic Garlic (Allium sativum), has been recognised as an antibiotic medicine for centuries: its earliest recorded use dates from Ancient Egypt where it was thought so holy it was invoked as a deity in oaths. Garlic was an ingredient in 22 remedies for common ailments recorded in the Codex Ebers papyrus of 2600BC and 6 heads of garlic were discovered in Tutenkamun’s tomb when it was opened in 1922 by Howard Carter. More recently it was used to treat gangrene and dysentery in World War I and II, and it is well known in the prevention and treatment of colds and influenza. Now there is significant evidence to demonstrate that garlic can also help in maintaining healthy blood lipid levels and blood pressure. Further evidence is accumulating in its role as the healthiest of foods to add to our diet as a cancer preventative and natural antibiotic. CHEMISTRY The chemistry of garlic has been thoroughly investigated. Its basis is the amino acid called alliin. In garlic alliin is broken down by alliinase, the enzyme released only when the clove is cut, crushed or heated. Together they produce allicin; the key substance responsible for both the medicinal characteristics of garlic and its pungent taste and odour. Most commercial crops are able to yield relatively large amounts of allicin. Recently allicin has become available as a stable liquid and will have many applications in the future. Further details are always available from The Garlic Centre. ODOUR CONTROL AND SIDE EFFECTS The odour of garlic appears to be the most problematic issue for potential users. This can be dealt with naturally by consuming garlic with parsley or salad greens, which has the added benefit of increasing the nutrient intake as well, or with aromatic seeds such as aniseed. Modern methods of coating garlic tablets have succeeded in considerably reducing the taste and odour while guaranteeing a high allicin yield. Although garlic has a powerful smell and taste, it is virtually non-toxic. However superficial effects of fresh garlic can be unpleasant on the digestion, and can include a burning sensation in the mouth and gastro-intestinal tract and nausea which usually passes within 15 minutes and is dose related. While usual dosages (1-2 cloves) of garlic are unlikely to cause side effects, doses equivalent to consuming two whole heads of crushed garlic, have been reported to cause anorexia (temporary loss of appetite), vomiting and diarrhoea. Supplements are generally very well tolerated although some oil preparations may accidentally flood the stomach on ingestion and cause a degree of nausea or stomach cramps. There is no evidence of incompatibilities between garlic and other medication, although it needs to be mentioned that garlic is synergistic with other anticoagulant medication (warfarin). Garlic appears to be uniquely competent in preventing cardiovascular disease. In tablet form it can significantly reduce blood lipids and cholesterol, especially the low density lipoprotein(LDL) fraction which is the main carrier of harmful cholesterol in the blood. GARLIC AND CANCER Most recently research is underway in many countries to try to isolate which particular compounds formed from garlic are able to prevent cancer cell growth. Researchers in Pennsylvania have shown that by injecting diallyldisulphide (formed when raw garlic is cut or crushed) that tumours can be reduced by half and that a further compound S-Allylcysteine can stop cancer causing agents from binding to human breast cells. It is also well documented that populations who consume large amounts of garlic are at much less risk of developing various stomach cancers. These specialist garlic chemicals are attracting a lot of attention in the medical research community where potential benefits seem to be numerous. GARLIC AS AN ANTIBIOTIC Garlic has a long history as an antibacterial and antiviral agent and is often referred to as nature’s original remedy. It can improve resistance to viral infections and can destroy common bugs such as listeria, Escherichia coli and salmonella which cause food poisoning. For preventing colds take a single large dose of your garlic supplement - e.g. 10 capsules or 10 tablets in one dose!! (less if you take a one-a day product) - You may smell for several hours but people say it stops a cold! Most recently garlic has been shown to be effective against candida albicans when taken raw or in tablet form. Some garlic products are licensed for the treatment of coughs and colds so remember to look on the box and always ensure the you follow the manufacturers recommendations. Used extensively in both World Wars garlic is well known for helping people with dysentery and other harmful bacteria found in the stomach. Garlic can remove various poisons secreted by bacteria particularly Escherichia coli which can cause stomach upsets. Interestingly garlic is the only antibiotic, which at the same time as killing bacteria, also encourages digestion and protects the body against poisons produced by the infection. Most recently researchers have discovered exactly how garlic exerts its antibiotic activity. When bacteria invade healthy cells they need to generate a series of enzymes, known as cysteine proteinases and alcohol dehydrogenases. Most conventional antibiotics simply kill the bacterium but do not prevent the production of these enzymes. In garlic, it is allicin that is able to prevent the production of these harmful compounds and thus disable the invading bacteria. This may account for its broad spectrum of activity against both gram positive and gram negative bacteria. While it may seem too good to be true for so many effects to be combined in one material, many plant products contain innumerable but related active ingredients and it is not unusual for such products to affect a range of physiological processes. As a harmless natural food substance with a track record of several thousand years, virtually free of side-effects, garlic may be one answer to some of the Worlds biggest killers. Peter Josling B.Sc. (Hons) Director The Garlic Centre For more information on the medicinal uses of garlic please contact the centre on 01424-892440 Please visit our web site http://www.mistral.co.uk/garlic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 14, 2003 > I didnt know about using garlic for toothaches but I do know about using > it as a suppository for yeast infections. WORKS WONDERFULLY WELL! I crush a > large clove and insert it, change the next day. Have never needed to use more > than two and the results are better than any RX I ever had to use. Also > noticed that since using it the first time I havent had to use it more that twice > since... in many many years. > wow.......learn something new everyday! Are you sure you crush it.....and it doesn't burn? I dont mash it flat, just press down on it til it flattens a bit. You dont even need to do that unless you have a really really bad infection like I did. I laugh at all these tv commercials that advertise products that are supposed to do the same thing in a week. Hahahaha Hugs Neysa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 16, 2003 Is there any odor problems doing this?? -Melissa I do know about using > > it as a suppository for yeast infections. WORKS WONDERFULLY WELL! I crush a > > large clove and insert it, change the next day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 16, 2003 Is there any odor problems doing this?? -Melissa I never noticed any. And never got any complaints. ;-} Neysa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2004 What foods do you feed to your dogs???????????? Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-738-0554Doc - Anne Bird herbal remedies Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:21 AM Herbal Remedies - Garlic One thing about worms/parasites in canines or humans is: Parasites do not like healthy animals and do not survive.Dogs fed a species approrpiate diet do not have worms, fleas or ticks. The pups are born without parasites and remain free as long as the diet is correct - ie:NO commercial dog food.I have my pups tested 2x by the state vets (read they miss nothing) and they are always parasite free. To my dog's and pup's Raw food diet, I add fresh pressed garlic several times a week. I have not had any parasites here since 1998.I live in Virginia where there are tons of fleas, etc., yet my dogs never have any, no worms and only an occasional tick.AnneVA USA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2004 In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox writes: Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.Anne You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones. Samantha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2004 Awesome!. Zeb - Anne Bird Herbal Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:20 PM Herbal Remedies - Garlic >>>Re: Garlic>>What foods do you feed to your dogs????????????>Love,>Doc>Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.AnneVA USAFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2004 They are edible when uncooked. Only reason they ever say they are not edible is they shatter when dogs eat them. Sometimes after they have shattered they puncture the dogs throat or esophagus. So cooked poultry bones are dangerous only. Zeb - Rasberry4000 herbal remedies Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox writes: Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.Anne You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones. Samantha Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2004 This is the way that I feed my dogs as well. Well at least my big boy. My little girl refused to eat a lot of it so I had to find a kibble she would eat that is at least made from good foodstuffs. But she is only 13 lbs so it isn't like it is a major deal. She will eat a chicken leg every day...and will eat a pork neck bone on occasion so I don't have to give her too much of the kibble because with her whopping size she obviously doesn't need much more than that! lol I am going to be adding some TT to my big dog's diet though...in hopes of clearing up his skin problems...hopefully this and some of the suggestions I got the other day will help him! Caroline - Rasberry4000 herbal remedies Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox writes: Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.Anne You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones. Samantha Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2004 This is only true of cooked chicken and turkey. The bones are brittle and can cut them if they are cooked. Raw is not at all the same and they can have as much of it as possible. The only problem with chicken and turkey is that too much of it can be very fatty for them...especially with the skin on. That is the ONLY downfall to feeding raw chicken. I can get a whole case of chicken backs for $6...that is 30 lbs of chicken backs. If I had a big freezer that would be great...but I don't, cause I wouldn't want to give them more than one per day because that is a very fatty piece of chicken. Sorry...just rambling...lol Caroline - Rasberry4000 herbal remedies Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox writes: Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.Anne You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones. Samantha Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2004 Where do you get that stuff? Zeb - Caroline herbal remedies Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:55 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic This is only true of cooked chicken and turkey. The bones are brittle and can cut them if they are cooked. Raw is not at all the same and they can have as much of it as possible. The only problem with chicken and turkey is that too much of it can be very fatty for them...especially with the skin on. That is the ONLY downfall to feeding raw chicken. I can get a whole case of chicken backs for $6...that is 30 lbs of chicken backs. If I had a big freezer that would be great...but I don't, cause I wouldn't want to give them more than one per day because that is a very fatty piece of chicken. Sorry...just rambling...lol Caroline - Rasberry4000 herbal remedies Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox writes: Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.Anne You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones. Samantha Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2004 Someone posted a month or so back about the raw cat-food and she added bones to her cat-food mixture. Just have to grind them up. They are a good source of nutrients. We sometimes give processed neck bones to puppy, but mind you these have been run through the blender with some broth and gizzards and we make sure there are no " chunks " or sharp pieces, it's basically a puppy pate'. he loves this mixture! Sylvia herbal remedies , <zeb@A...> wrote: > They are edible when uncooked. Only reason they ever say they are not edible is they shatter when dogs eat them. Sometimes after they have shattered they puncture the dogs throat or esophagus. So cooked poultry bones are dangerous only. > > Zeb > - > Rasberry4000@a... > herbal remedies > Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM > Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic > > > In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox@l... writes: > Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: > wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones > are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts > Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green > tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole > milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. > Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for > variety. > My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never > have to have their teeth cleaned. > Anne > You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones. > > Samantha > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > -- ---------- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2004 Sylvia, Give puppy a whole neck bone...guaranteed he'll eat it JUST fine. As long as he is old enough to be able to have the teeth to do so at least! lol Caroline - Sylvia herbal remedies Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:02 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic Someone posted a month or so back about the raw cat-food and she added bones to her cat-food mixture. Just have to grind them up. They are a good source of nutrients.We sometimes give processed neck bones to puppy, but mind you these have been run through the blender with some broth and gizzards and we make sure there are no "chunks" or sharp pieces, it's basically a puppy pate'. he loves this mixture!Sylviaherbal remedies , <zeb@A...> wrote:> They are edible when uncooked. Only reason they ever say they are not edible is they shatter when dogs eat them. Sometimes after they have shattered they puncture the dogs throat or esophagus. So cooked poultry bones are dangerous only.> > Zeb> - > Rasberry4000@a... > herbal remedies > Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM> Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic> > > In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox@l... writes:> Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: > wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones > are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts > Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green > tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole > milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. > Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for > variety.> My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never > have to have their teeth cleaned.> Anne> You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones.> > Samantha> > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2004 Oh trust me he gets lots of other bones...Any time i make meat for hubby he gets any bone that is attached and sometimes i buy a neck bone just for him. He's easily big enough to chew on anything (INCLUDING MY HOUSE!) he's 8months old and approx 90lbs! He does eat commercial kibble (pet store stuff not grocery store stuff) but we try to buy the kind that has meat as the first ingredient. I can easily say that the quality of food he gets makes a huge diference. We adpoted him from a local pet assisatnce league and one of the gals that runs it kept his sister. While males are normally a bit bigger than the female species, he is twice the size and has a fabulous coat. We're sure it is due to all the extra stuff we give him like garlic, carrot, toher veggies, fruit on ocassion and " parts " . Sylvia herbal remedies , " Caroline " <ladyguinevere@e...> wrote: > Sylvia, > > Give puppy a whole neck bone...guaranteed he'll eat it JUST fine. As long as he is old enough to be able to have the teeth to do so at least! lol > > Caroline > - > Sylvia > herbal remedies > Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:02 PM > Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic > > > Someone posted a month or so back about the raw cat-food and she > added bones to her cat-food mixture. Just have to grind them up. > They are a good source of nutrients. > > We sometimes give processed neck bones to puppy, but mind you these > have been run through the blender with some broth and gizzards and we > make sure there are no " chunks " or sharp pieces, it's basically a > puppy pate'. he loves this mixture! > > Sylvia > > > herbal remedies , <zeb@A...> wrote: > > They are edible when uncooked. Only reason they ever say they are > not edible is they shatter when dogs eat them. Sometimes after they > have shattered they puncture the dogs throat or esophagus. So cooked > poultry bones are dangerous only. > > > > Zeb > > - > > Rasberry4000@a... > > herbal remedies > > Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM > > Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic > > > > > > In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > irishfox@l... writes: > > Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. > Chicken: > > wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where > the bones > > are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys > and hearts > > Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey > necks, green > > tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, > whole > > milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. > > Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try > for > > variety. > > My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and > never > > have to have their teeth cleaned. > > Anne > > You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause > damage to them right? These are not editable bones. > > > > Samantha > > > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > natural remedy. > > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own > physician and to > > prescribe for your own health. > > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here > as long as > > they behave themselves. > > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and > any person > > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own > risk. > > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or > products from list members, you are agreeing to > > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner > and members free of any liability. > > > > Dr. Ian Shillington > > Doctor of Naturopathy > > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- ---- > ---------- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2004 I get mine at our local meat market. The guy carries the strangest of things! lol I can get turkey necks...and he cuts them down into smaller sizes so that I can feed them to my little girl...and chicken backs...and chicken necks...and pork neck bones and beef neck bones...I often will buy marrow bones...and after the dogs eat the marrow out of them...I'll re pack them with a mixture of ground beef and ground vegetables...usually I freeze these so that they have as much of a time getting out the goodies as they did getting the marrow out. Honestly, until I started feeding my dog raw I didn't know you could actually buy that kind of stuff. I actually never paid attention to the meat counters at the stores because I have never been much of a meat eater...but after I started looking...it was amazing to me what actually comes pre packaged in the store! lol Caroline - zeb herbal remedies Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:58 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic Where do you get that stuff? Zeb - Caroline herbal remedies Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:55 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic This is only true of cooked chicken and turkey. The bones are brittle and can cut them if they are cooked. Raw is not at all the same and they can have as much of it as possible. The only problem with chicken and turkey is that too much of it can be very fatty for them...especially with the skin on. That is the ONLY downfall to feeding raw chicken. I can get a whole case of chicken backs for $6...that is 30 lbs of chicken backs. If I had a big freezer that would be great...but I don't, cause I wouldn't want to give them more than one per day because that is a very fatty piece of chicken. Sorry...just rambling...lol Caroline - Rasberry4000 herbal remedies Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox writes: Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.Anne You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones. Samantha Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2004 Your exactly right...it is amazing to me the difference in my dogs from what they were when I just couldn't afford to feed them properly and bought the cheap dog food to now...since I am back on my feet and able to treat them properly again! My poor big boy just has had the roughest time of it...which his skin condition and all...and putting him back on raw has done the most amazing things! In a matter of a month and a half...since I moved and put him back on his raw diet...the skin on his back has stopped flaking and he has hair there again. That says an awful lot to me about how good it is! Caroline - Sylvia herbal remedies Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:25 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic Oh trust me he gets lots of other bones...Any time i make meat for hubby he gets any bone that is attached and sometimes i buy a neck bone just for him. He's easily big enough to chew on anything (INCLUDING MY HOUSE!) he's 8months old and approx 90lbs!He does eat commercial kibble (pet store stuff not grocery store stuff) but we try to buy the kind that has meat as the first ingredient. I can easily say that the quality of food he gets makes a huge diference. We adpoted him from a local pet assisatnce league and one of the gals that runs it kept his sister. While males are normally a bit bigger than the female species, he is twice the size and has a fabulous coat. We're sure it is due to all the extra stuff we give him like garlic, carrot, toher veggies, fruit on ocassion and "parts".Sylviaherbal remedies , "Caroline" <ladyguinevere@e...> wrote:> Sylvia,> > Give puppy a whole neck bone...guaranteed he'll eat it JUST fine. As long as he is old enough to be able to have the teeth to do so at least! lol> > Caroline> - > Sylvia > herbal remedies > Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:02 PM> Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic> > > Someone posted a month or so back about the raw cat-food and she > added bones to her cat-food mixture. Just have to grind them up. > They are a good source of nutrients.> > We sometimes give processed neck bones to puppy, but mind you these > have been run through the blender with some broth and gizzards and we > make sure there are no "chunks" or sharp pieces, it's basically a > puppy pate'. he loves this mixture!> > Sylvia> > > herbal remedies , <zeb@A...> wrote:> > They are edible when uncooked. Only reason they ever say they are > not edible is they shatter when dogs eat them. Sometimes after they > have shattered they puncture the dogs throat or esophagus. So cooked > poultry bones are dangerous only.> > > > Zeb> > - > > Rasberry4000@a... > > herbal remedies > > Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM> > Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic> > > > > > In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > irishfox@l... writes:> > Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. > Chicken: > > wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where > the bones > > are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys > and hearts > > Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey > necks, green > > tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, > whole > > milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. > > Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try > for > > variety.> > My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and > never > > have to have their teeth cleaned.> > Anne> > You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause > damage to them right? These are not editable bones.> > > > Samantha> > > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > natural remedy. > > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own > physician and to> > prescribe for your own health. > > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here > as long as > > they behave themselves. > > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and > any person > > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own > risk. > > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or > products from list members, you are agreeing to > > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner > and members free of any liability. > > > > Dr. Ian Shillington> > Doctor of Naturopathy> > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > > > --> ----------> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2004 That is a good idea, i'll have to ask the local meat market if they keep that stuff after they cut all the meat off (which is why they have those parts I am guessing). But $6 a case sounds like an awesome deal. Sylvia herbal remedies , " Caroline " <ladyguinevere@e...> wrote: > I get mine at our local meat market. The guy carries the strangest of things! lol I can get turkey necks...and he cuts them down into smaller sizes so that I can feed them to my little girl...and chicken backs...and chicken necks...and pork neck bones and beef neck bones...I often will buy marrow bones...and after the dogs eat the marrow out of them...I'll re pack them with a mixture of ground beef and ground vegetables...usually I freeze these so that they have as much of a time getting out the goodies as they did getting the marrow out. > > Honestly, until I started feeding my dog raw I didn't know you could actually buy that kind of stuff. I actually never paid attention to the meat counters at the stores because I have never been much of a meat eater...but after I started looking...it was amazing to me what actually comes pre packaged in the store! lol > > Caroline > - > zeb@A... > herbal remedies > Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:58 PM > Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic > > > Where do you get that stuff? > > Zeb > - > Caroline > herbal remedies > Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:55 PM > Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic > > > This is only true of cooked chicken and turkey. The bones are brittle and can cut them if they are cooked. Raw is not at all the same and they can have as much of it as possible. The only problem with chicken and turkey is that too much of it can be very fatty for them...especially with the skin on. That is the ONLY downfall to feeding raw chicken. I can get a whole case of chicken backs for $6...that is 30 lbs of chicken backs. If I had a big freezer that would be great...but I don't, cause I wouldn't want to give them more than one per day because that is a very fatty piece of chicken. > > Sorry...just rambling...lol > Caroline > - > Rasberry4000@a... > herbal remedies > Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM > Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic > > > In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox@l... writes: > Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: > wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones > are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts > Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green > tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole > milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. > Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for > variety. > My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never > have to have their teeth cleaned. > Anne > You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones. > > Samantha > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > -- ---------- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites