Garlic

[Guest guest]

Kim:

 

Garlic seems to have many immune boosting and antimicrobial properties. I have

not tried using it for an antihistamine, but frankly, I eat a lot of raw garlic

and I don't imagine it is nearly as harsh as chemical antihistamines, which

really dehydrate you. I will admit, Ken, that my husband and I are very

omnivorous and neither of us are prone to allergies or colds. It may be that you

have a particular food allergy to complex proteins like red meat.

 

Kim, I can't really give you medical recommendations, but it certainly wouldn't

hurt your daughter to try garlic, since it is a food substance. I wouldn't take

her off any prescribed meds without consulting a medical professional, however.

 

Blessings,

Crow

 

Kim Beckett wrote:

 

> " Kim Beckett " <Dolphinn

>

> Hi,

>

> I found that when I stopped eating red meat, I stopped getting colds.

> Also, " kyolic " - odorless, tasteless garlic is a very effective natural

> anti-histamine.

>

> Best of luck.

>

> Ken

>

> Could you please tell me a little more about kyolic. How do you take it.

> When you say it is a anti-histamine do you mean it effects the immune system

> the same way chemical ones do. My 5 yo daughter has very large adenoids and

> tonsils which are going to be removed next month. The Dr. also told me that

> she might have allergies because her adenoids have a greyish tinge to them

> and she advised me to get an anti-histamine. Would this help her?

>

> Thanks, Kim

>

[Guest guest]

LOL!!! OH yeah. Got a problem? Garlic MUST be the answer!!! Just

bring a clothes pin for your nose!! LOL!

 

Heather

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" Gabrielle " <sorcy

 

> goodness, another garlicohlic <giggle>

> Welcome to the smelly bunch dearest

>

> Sorcygrinning

[Guest guest]

Heidi Scholes wrote:

 

> Mind if I add one more black humor item to the Alzheimer's thread? (I can do

> this, I'm at the CRS stage myself)

 

So what is CRS???

 

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joanr

My Country Garden

http://mycountrygarden.net

[Guest guest]

Can't remember s--t.

 

Take good care and have a great day.

 

Love,

Renee and Jerry

[Guest guest]

Heidi Scholes wrote:

 

> Mind if I add one more black humor item to the Alzheimer's thread? (I can do

> this, I'm at the CRS stage myself)

> The best thing about Alzheimer's is you get to meet new people everyday!

> Please laugh, sometimes it's the only medicine that will work

 

I am at quite a disadavantage at times with my mother (who doesn't have

Alzheimer's, hopefully never.....she has dementia (the short term memory

kind) as she forgets all the bad things that have happened too! My

memory is actually TOO good as I remember just about

everything....whether I want to or not....................Joan

 

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joanr

My Country Garden

http://mycountrygarden.net

[Guest guest]

Hello PJ:

 

Allicin is the effective ingredient of garlic that you are referring to. That component is not in uncrushed garlic. When it is cut or crushed (or even peeled, according to UNC), the components in garlic, alliin and allinase come together to create the allicin which gives it its odor.

 

There is currently a lot of debate as to whether or not allicin is the effective garlic ingredient. Garlic is still being studied in laboratories and at the university level and they are still identifying ingredients and are not sure which one does what. One of the difficulties with allicin is that it is highly unstable and has a half-life of less than 3 hours. That means that if you crush a clove of garlic the allicin is totally gone within a couple of days. Yet in an earlier post I gave the recipe for garlic oil, and it sits at room temperature for 11 days and is still effective. It is the effectiveness of garlic when the allicin has totally left it that creates lots of debate. But whether or not allicin is the most effective ingredient, many studies indicate that garlic works for a host of remedies.

 

Jay

 

<<It is my understading that garlic must be bruised or

crushed to become effective. This bruising causes two

chemicals in the garlic to react with each other to

form the effective compound. It was recommended to

cut a clove into halves or fourths. Then put one part

into a spoon and using another spoon, mash till it is

squashed pretty good. Then swallow. It is much more

effective this way supposedly. Best wishes, pj>>

[Guest guest]

Jay,

I must have missed the post on garlic oil... Could you send me the recipe, thanks..

Suzi

JayTownsend wrote: Hello PJ:Allicin is the effective ingredient of garlic that you are referring to. That component is not in uncrushed garlic. When it is cut or crushed (or even peeled, according to UNC), the components in garlic, alliin and allinase come together to create the allicin which gives it its odor.There is currently a lot of debate as to whether or not allicin is the effective garlic ingredient. Garlic is still being studied in laboratories and at the university level and they are still identifying ingredients and are not sure which one does what. One of the difficulties with allicin is that it is highly unstable and has a half-life of less than 3 hours. That means that if you crush a clove of garlic the allicin is totally gone within a couple of days. Yet in an earlier post I gave the recipe for garlic oil, and it sits at room temperature for 11 days and is still effective. It is the effectiveness of garlic when the allicin has totally left it that creates lots of debate. But whether or not allicin is the most effective ingredient, many studies indicate that garlic works for a host of remedies.Jay<<It is my understading that garlic must be bruised orcrushed to become effective. This bruising causes twochemicals in the garlic to react with each other toform the effective compound. It was recommended tocut a clove into halves or fourths. Then put one partinto a spoon and using another spoon, mash till it issquashed pretty good. Then swallow. It is much moreeffective this way supposedly. Best wishes, pj>>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Dear Tom,

 

It's a little hard for me to comment on your own personal aversion to garlic when I know nothing about you, and you give me no data on your health and personal nutrition, etc. etc.

 

But I can guarantee you this, I have never run into a case of a true allergy to garlic. Never!

 

As a matter of fact, when patients have come to me with a supposed allergy to garlic, it was garlic that helped them terminatedly handle their chronic condition used with a cleansing and health building program.

 

It is not always the case, but in many instances what the body needs most, it can't have. It just can't have what it needs the most. This phenomenon is handled by giving very small quantities of the item in conjunction with a Cleansing and Health building program.

 

I hope this clarifies it for you.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Dr. Ian Shillington505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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tvogel1104

Dr. Ian Shillington ; herbal remedies

Monday, October 28, 2002 6:03 PM

[herbal remedies] Garlic

Ok so bodies don't have allergy to garlic? My nabuor cooks with it andthe smells so strong it gives me headaches .I have to close all thedoors and windows. If I eat any I burp like crazy and my head hurtsTom

[Guest guest]

Fran,

I eat 3-5 gloves daily (raw) myself and knocking on wood everyone around me

is ill but I remain sniffle free etc. I also consume the apple cider vinegar

too. Here is some info I download of the net about garlic.

 

Hope the list enjoys.

 

Jane

 

a clove a day

the medicinal properties of garlic

 

Garlic (Allium sativum), has been recognised as an antibiotic medicine for

centuries: its earliest recorded use dates from Ancient Egypt where it was

thought so holy it was invoked as a deity in oaths. Garlic was an ingredient

in 22 remedies for common ailments recorded in the Codex Ebers papyrus of

2600BC and 6 heads of garlic were discovered in Tutenkamun’s tomb when it was

opened in 1922 by Howard Carter. More recently it was used to treat gangrene

and dysentery in World War I and II, and it is well known in the prevention

and treatment of colds and influenza. Now there is significant evidence to

demonstrate that garlic can also help in maintaining healthy blood lipid

levels and blood pressure. Further evidence is accumulating in its role as

the healthiest of foods to add to our diet as a cancer preventative and

natural antibiotic.

 

CHEMISTRY

The chemistry of garlic has been thoroughly investigated. Its basis is the

amino acid called alliin. In garlic alliin is broken down by alliinase, the

enzyme released only when the clove is cut, crushed or heated. Together they

produce allicin; the key substance responsible for both the medicinal

characteristics of garlic and its pungent taste and odour. Most commercial

crops are able to yield relatively large amounts of allicin. Recently allicin

has become available as a stable liquid and will have many applications in

the future. Further details are always available from The Garlic Centre.

 

ODOUR CONTROL AND SIDE EFFECTS

The odour of garlic appears to be the most problematic issue for potential

users. This can be dealt with naturally by consuming garlic with parsley or

salad greens, which has the added benefit of increasing the nutrient intake

as well, or with aromatic seeds such as aniseed.

Modern methods of coating garlic tablets have succeeded in considerably

reducing the taste and odour while guaranteeing a high allicin yield.

Although garlic has a powerful smell and taste, it is virtually non-toxic.

However superficial effects of fresh garlic can be unpleasant on the

digestion, and can include a burning sensation in the mouth and

gastro-intestinal tract and nausea which usually passes within 15 minutes and

is dose related. While usual dosages (1-2 cloves) of garlic are unlikely to

cause side effects, doses equivalent to consuming two whole heads of crushed

garlic, have been reported to cause anorexia (temporary loss of appetite),

vomiting and diarrhoea. Supplements are generally very well tolerated

although some oil preparations may accidentally flood the stomach on

ingestion and cause a degree of nausea or stomach cramps. There is no

evidence of incompatibilities between garlic and other medication, although

it needs to be mentioned that garlic is synergistic with other anticoagulant

medication (warfarin). Garlic appears to be uniquely competent in preventing

cardiovascular disease. In tablet form it can significantly reduce blood

lipids and cholesterol, especially the low density lipoprotein(LDL) fraction

which is the main carrier of harmful cholesterol in the blood.

 

 

GARLIC AND CANCER

Most recently research is underway in many countries to try to isolate which

particular compounds formed from garlic are able to prevent cancer cell

growth. Researchers in Pennsylvania have shown that by injecting

diallyldisulphide (formed when raw garlic is cut or crushed) that tumours can

be reduced by half and that a further compound S-Allylcysteine can stop

cancer causing agents from binding to human breast cells. It is also well

documented that populations who consume large amounts of garlic are at much

less risk of developing various stomach cancers. These specialist garlic

chemicals are attracting a lot of attention in the medical research community

where potential benefits seem to be numerous.

 

GARLIC AS AN ANTIBIOTIC

Garlic has a long history as an antibacterial and antiviral agent and is

often referred to as nature’s original remedy. It can improve resistance to

viral infections and can destroy common bugs such as listeria, Escherichia

coli and salmonella which cause food poisoning. For preventing colds take a

single large dose of your garlic supplement - e.g. 10 capsules or 10 tablets

in one dose!! (less if you take a one-a day product) - You may smell for

several hours but people say it stops a cold! Most recently garlic has been

shown to be effective against candida albicans when taken raw or in tablet

form. Some garlic products are licensed for the treatment of coughs and colds

so remember to look on the box and always ensure the you follow the

manufacturers recommendations.

Used extensively in both World Wars garlic is well known for helping people

with dysentery and other harmful bacteria found in the stomach. Garlic can

remove various poisons secreted by bacteria particularly Escherichia coli

which can cause stomach upsets. Interestingly garlic is the only antibiotic,

which at the same time as killing bacteria, also encourages digestion and

protects the body against poisons produced by the infection.

 

Most recently researchers have discovered exactly how garlic exerts its

antibiotic activity. When bacteria invade healthy cells they need to generate

a series of enzymes, known as cysteine proteinases and alcohol

dehydrogenases. Most conventional antibiotics simply kill the bacterium but

do not prevent the production of these enzymes. In garlic, it is allicin that

is able to prevent the production of these harmful compounds and thus disable

the invading bacteria. This may account for its broad spectrum of activity

against both gram positive and gram negative bacteria.

 

While it may seem too good to be true for so many effects to be combined in

one material, many plant products contain innumerable but related active

ingredients and it is not unusual for such products to affect a range of

physiological processes.

 

As a harmless natural food substance with a track record of several thousand

years, virtually free of side-effects, garlic may be one answer to some of

the Worlds biggest killers.

 

Peter Josling B.Sc. (Hons) Director The Garlic Centre

For more information on the medicinal uses of garlic please contact the

centre on 01424-892440 Please visit our web site

http://www.mistral.co.uk/garlic

[Guest guest]

> I didnt know about using garlic for toothaches but I do know about using

> it as a suppository for yeast infections. WORKS WONDERFULLY WELL! I crush a

> large clove and insert it, change the next day. Have never needed to use more

> than two and the results are better than any RX I ever had to use. Also

> noticed that since using it the first time I havent had to use it more that

twice

> since... in many many years.

>

wow.......learn something new everyday! Are you sure you crush it.....and it

doesn't burn?

 

I dont mash it flat, just press down on it til it flattens a bit. You dont even

need to do that unless you have a really really bad infection like I did. I

laugh at all these tv commercials that advertise products that are supposed to

do the same thing in a week. Hahahaha

Hugs

Neysa

 

 

[Guest guest]

Is there any odor problems doing this?? -Melissa

 

I do know about using

> > it as a suppository for yeast infections. WORKS WONDERFULLY

WELL! I crush a

> > large clove and insert it, change the next day.

[Guest guest]

Is there any odor problems doing this?? -Melissa

 

I never noticed any. And never got any complaints. ;-}

Neysa

 

 

[Guest guest]

What foods do you feed to your dogs????????????

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-738-0554Doc

 

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Anne Bird

herbal remedies

Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:21 AM

Herbal Remedies - Garlic

One thing about worms/parasites in canines or humans is: Parasites do not like healthy animals and do not survive.Dogs fed a species approrpiate diet do not have worms, fleas or ticks. The pups are born without parasites and remain free as long as the diet is correct - ie:NO commercial dog food.I have my pups tested 2x by the state vets (read they miss nothing) and they are always parasite free. To my dog's and pup's Raw food diet, I add fresh pressed garlic several times a week. I have not had any parasites here since 1998.I live in Virginia where there are tons of fleas, etc., yet my dogs never have any, no worms and only an occasional tick.AnneVA USA

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In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox writes:

Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.Anne

You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones.

 

Samantha

 

 

[Guest guest]

Awesome!.

 

Zeb

 

 

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Anne Bird

Herbal

Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:20 PM

Herbal Remedies - Garlic

>>>Re: Garlic>>What foods do you feed to your dogs????????????>Love,>Doc>Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.AnneVA USAFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

They are edible when uncooked. Only reason they ever say they are not edible is they shatter when dogs eat them. Sometimes after they have shattered they puncture the dogs throat or esophagus. So cooked poultry bones are dangerous only.

 

Zeb

 

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Rasberry4000

herbal remedies

Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

 

 

In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox writes:

Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.Anne

You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones.

 

Samantha

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

This is the way that I feed my dogs as well. Well at least my big boy. My little girl refused to eat a lot of it so I had to find a kibble she would eat that is at least made from good foodstuffs. But she is only 13 lbs so it isn't like it is a major deal. She will eat a chicken leg every day...and will eat a pork neck bone on occasion so I don't have to give her too much of the kibble because with her whopping size she obviously doesn't need much more than that! lol

 

I am going to be adding some TT to my big dog's diet though...in hopes of clearing up his skin problems...hopefully this and some of the suggestions I got the other day will help him!

 

Caroline

 

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Rasberry4000

herbal remedies

Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

 

 

In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox writes:

Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.Anne

You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones.

 

Samantha

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

This is only true of cooked chicken and turkey. The bones are brittle and can cut them if they are cooked. Raw is not at all the same and they can have as much of it as possible. The only problem with chicken and turkey is that too much of it can be very fatty for them...especially with the skin on. That is the ONLY downfall to feeding raw chicken. I can get a whole case of chicken backs for $6...that is 30 lbs of chicken backs. If I had a big freezer that would be great...but I don't, cause I wouldn't want to give them more than one per day because that is a very fatty piece of chicken.

 

Sorry...just rambling...lol

Caroline

 

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Rasberry4000

herbal remedies

Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

 

 

In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox writes:

Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.Anne

You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones.

 

Samantha

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Where do you get that stuff?

 

Zeb

 

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Caroline

herbal remedies

Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:55 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

 

This is only true of cooked chicken and turkey. The bones are brittle and can cut them if they are cooked. Raw is not at all the same and they can have as much of it as possible. The only problem with chicken and turkey is that too much of it can be very fatty for them...especially with the skin on. That is the ONLY downfall to feeding raw chicken. I can get a whole case of chicken backs for $6...that is 30 lbs of chicken backs. If I had a big freezer that would be great...but I don't, cause I wouldn't want to give them more than one per day because that is a very fatty piece of chicken.

 

Sorry...just rambling...lol

Caroline

 

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Rasberry4000

herbal remedies

Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

 

 

In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox writes:

Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.Anne

You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones.

 

Samantha

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Someone posted a month or so back about the raw cat-food and she

added bones to her cat-food mixture. Just have to grind them up.

They are a good source of nutrients.

 

We sometimes give processed neck bones to puppy, but mind you these

have been run through the blender with some broth and gizzards and we

make sure there are no " chunks " or sharp pieces, it's basically a

puppy pate'. he loves this mixture!

 

Sylvia

 

 

herbal remedies , <zeb@A...> wrote:

> They are edible when uncooked. Only reason they ever say they are

not edible is they shatter when dogs eat them. Sometimes after they

have shattered they puncture the dogs throat or esophagus. So cooked

poultry bones are dangerous only.

>

> Zeb

> -

> Rasberry4000@a...

> herbal remedies

> Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

>

>

> In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

irishfox@l... writes:

> Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones.

Chicken:

> wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where

the bones

> are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys

and hearts

> Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey

necks, green

> tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens,

whole

> milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen.

> Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try

for

> variety.

> My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and

never

> have to have their teeth cleaned.

> Anne

> You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause

damage to them right? These are not editable bones.

>

> Samantha

>

>

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here

as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner

and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

>

>

> --

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>

[Guest guest]

Sylvia,

 

Give puppy a whole neck bone...guaranteed he'll eat it JUST fine. As long as he is old enough to be able to have the teeth to do so at least! lol

 

Caroline

 

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Sylvia

herbal remedies

Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:02 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

Someone posted a month or so back about the raw cat-food and she added bones to her cat-food mixture. Just have to grind them up. They are a good source of nutrients.We sometimes give processed neck bones to puppy, but mind you these have been run through the blender with some broth and gizzards and we make sure there are no "chunks" or sharp pieces, it's basically a puppy pate'. he loves this mixture!Sylviaherbal remedies , <zeb@A...> wrote:> They are edible when uncooked. Only reason they ever say they are not edible is they shatter when dogs eat them. Sometimes after they have shattered they puncture the dogs throat or esophagus. So cooked poultry bones are dangerous only.> > Zeb> - > Rasberry4000@a... > herbal remedies > Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM> Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic> > > In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox@l... writes:> Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: > wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones > are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts > Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green > tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole > milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. > Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for > variety.> My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never > have to have their teeth cleaned.> Anne> You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones.> > Samantha> > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Oh trust me he gets lots of other bones...Any time i make meat for

hubby he gets any bone that is attached and sometimes i buy a neck

bone just for him. He's easily big enough to chew on anything

(INCLUDING MY HOUSE!) he's 8months old and approx 90lbs!

 

He does eat commercial kibble (pet store stuff not grocery store

stuff) but we try to buy the kind that has meat as the first

ingredient. I can easily say that the quality of food he gets makes

a huge diference. We adpoted him from a local pet assisatnce league

and one of the gals that runs it kept his sister. While males are

normally a bit bigger than the female species, he is twice the size

and has a fabulous coat. We're sure it is due to all the extra stuff

we give him like garlic, carrot, toher veggies, fruit on ocassion

and " parts " .

 

Sylvia

herbal remedies , " Caroline "

<ladyguinevere@e...> wrote:

> Sylvia,

>

> Give puppy a whole neck bone...guaranteed he'll eat it JUST fine.

As long as he is old enough to be able to have the teeth to do so at

least! lol

>

> Caroline

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> Sylvia

> herbal remedies

> Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:02 PM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

>

>

> Someone posted a month or so back about the raw cat-food and she

> added bones to her cat-food mixture. Just have to grind them

up.

> They are a good source of nutrients.

>

> We sometimes give processed neck bones to puppy, but mind you

these

> have been run through the blender with some broth and gizzards

and we

> make sure there are no " chunks " or sharp pieces, it's basically a

> puppy pate'. he loves this mixture!

>

> Sylvia

>

>

> herbal remedies , <zeb@A...> wrote:

> > They are edible when uncooked. Only reason they ever say they

are

> not edible is they shatter when dogs eat them. Sometimes after

they

> have shattered they puncture the dogs throat or esophagus. So

cooked

> poultry bones are dangerous only.

> >

> > Zeb

> > -

> > Rasberry4000@a...

> > herbal remedies

> > Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM

> > Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight

Time,

> irishfox@l... writes:

> > Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and

Bones.

> Chicken:

> > wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef

where

> the bones

> > are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver,

kidneys

> and hearts

> > Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey

> necks, green

> > tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range

chickens,

> whole

> > milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee

pollen.

> > Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do

try

> for

> > variety.

> > My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath

and

> never

> > have to have their teeth cleaned.

> > Anne

> > You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can

cause

> damage to them right? These are not editable bones.

> >

> > Samantha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using

any

> natural remedy.

> > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

> physician and to

> > prescribe for your own health.

> > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post

here

> as long as

> > they behave themselves.

> > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that,

and

> any person

> > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their

own

> risk.

> > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

> products from list members, you are agreeing to

> > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List

Owner

> and members free of any liability.

> >

> > Dr. Ian Shillington

> > Doctor of Naturopathy

> > Dr.IanShillington@G...

> >

> >

> >

> > -------------------------------

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> ----------

> >

[Guest guest]

I get mine at our local meat market. The guy carries the strangest of things! lol I can get turkey necks...and he cuts them down into smaller sizes so that I can feed them to my little girl...and chicken backs...and chicken necks...and pork neck bones and beef neck bones...I often will buy marrow bones...and after the dogs eat the marrow out of them...I'll re pack them with a mixture of ground beef and ground vegetables...usually I freeze these so that they have as much of a time getting out the goodies as they did getting the marrow out.

 

Honestly, until I started feeding my dog raw I didn't know you could actually buy that kind of stuff. I actually never paid attention to the meat counters at the stores because I have never been much of a meat eater...but after I started looking...it was amazing to me what actually comes pre packaged in the store! lol

 

Caroline

 

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zeb

herbal remedies

Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:58 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

 

Where do you get that stuff?

 

Zeb

 

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Caroline

herbal remedies

Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:55 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

 

This is only true of cooked chicken and turkey. The bones are brittle and can cut them if they are cooked. Raw is not at all the same and they can have as much of it as possible. The only problem with chicken and turkey is that too much of it can be very fatty for them...especially with the skin on. That is the ONLY downfall to feeding raw chicken. I can get a whole case of chicken backs for $6...that is 30 lbs of chicken backs. If I had a big freezer that would be great...but I don't, cause I wouldn't want to give them more than one per day because that is a very fatty piece of chicken.

 

Sorry...just rambling...lol

Caroline

 

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Rasberry4000

herbal remedies

Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

 

 

In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irishfox writes:

Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. Chicken: wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where the bones are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys and hearts Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey necks, green tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, whole milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try for variety.My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and never have to have their teeth cleaned.Anne

You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones.

 

Samantha

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Your exactly right...it is amazing to me the difference in my dogs from what they were when I just couldn't afford to feed them properly and bought the cheap dog food to now...since I am back on my feet and able to treat them properly again! My poor big boy just has had the roughest time of it...which his skin condition and all...and putting him back on raw has done the most amazing things! In a matter of a month and a half...since I moved and put him back on his raw diet...the skin on his back has stopped flaking and he has hair there again. That says an awful lot to me about how good it is!

 

Caroline

 

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Sylvia

herbal remedies

Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:25 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

Oh trust me he gets lots of other bones...Any time i make meat for hubby he gets any bone that is attached and sometimes i buy a neck bone just for him. He's easily big enough to chew on anything (INCLUDING MY HOUSE!) he's 8months old and approx 90lbs!He does eat commercial kibble (pet store stuff not grocery store stuff) but we try to buy the kind that has meat as the first ingredient. I can easily say that the quality of food he gets makes a huge diference. We adpoted him from a local pet assisatnce league and one of the gals that runs it kept his sister. While males are normally a bit bigger than the female species, he is twice the size and has a fabulous coat. We're sure it is due to all the extra stuff we give him like garlic, carrot, toher veggies, fruit on ocassion and "parts".Sylviaherbal remedies , "Caroline" <ladyguinevere@e...> wrote:> Sylvia,> > Give puppy a whole neck bone...guaranteed he'll eat it JUST fine. As long as he is old enough to be able to have the teeth to do so at least! lol> > Caroline> - > Sylvia > herbal remedies > Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:02 PM> Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic> > > Someone posted a month or so back about the raw cat-food and she > added bones to her cat-food mixture. Just have to grind them up. > They are a good source of nutrients.> > We sometimes give processed neck bones to puppy, but mind you these > have been run through the blender with some broth and gizzards and we > make sure there are no "chunks" or sharp pieces, it's basically a > puppy pate'. he loves this mixture!> > Sylvia> > > herbal remedies , <zeb@A...> wrote:> > They are edible when uncooked. Only reason they ever say they are > not edible is they shatter when dogs eat them. Sometimes after they > have shattered they puncture the dogs throat or esophagus. So cooked > poultry bones are dangerous only.> > > > Zeb> > - > > Rasberry4000@a... > > herbal remedies > > Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM> > Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic> > > > > > In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > irishfox@l... writes:> > Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and Bones. > Chicken: > > wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef where > the bones > > are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver, kidneys > and hearts > > Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey > necks, green > > tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range chickens, > whole > > milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee pollen. > > Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do try > for > > variety.> > My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath and > never > > have to have their teeth cleaned.> > Anne> > You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can cause > damage to them right? These are not editable bones.> > > > Samantha> > > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > natural remedy. > > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own > physician and to> > prescribe for your own health. > > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here > as long as > > they behave themselves. > > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and > any person > > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own > risk. > > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or > products from list members, you are agreeing to > > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner > and members free of any liability. > > > > Dr. Ian Shillington> > Doctor of Naturopathy> > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > > > --> ----------> >

[Guest guest]

That is a good idea, i'll have to ask the local meat market if they

keep that stuff after they cut all the meat off (which is why they

have those parts I am guessing).

 

But $6 a case sounds like an awesome deal.

 

Sylvia

 

herbal remedies , " Caroline "

<ladyguinevere@e...> wrote:

> I get mine at our local meat market. The guy carries the strangest

of things! lol I can get turkey necks...and he cuts them down into

smaller sizes so that I can feed them to my little girl...and chicken

backs...and chicken necks...and pork neck bones and beef neck

bones...I often will buy marrow bones...and after the dogs eat the

marrow out of them...I'll re pack them with a mixture of ground beef

and ground vegetables...usually I freeze these so that they have as

much of a time getting out the goodies as they did getting the marrow

out.

>

> Honestly, until I started feeding my dog raw I didn't know you

could actually buy that kind of stuff. I actually never paid

attention to the meat counters at the stores because I have never

been much of a meat eater...but after I started looking...it was

amazing to me what actually comes pre packaged in the store! lol

>

> Caroline

> -

> zeb@A...

> herbal remedies

> Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:58 PM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

>

>

> Where do you get that stuff?

>

> Zeb

> -

> Caroline

> herbal remedies

> Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:55 PM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

>

>

> This is only true of cooked chicken and turkey. The bones are

brittle and can cut them if they are cooked. Raw is not at all the

same and they can have as much of it as possible. The only problem

with chicken and turkey is that too much of it can be very fatty for

them...especially with the skin on. That is the ONLY downfall to

feeding raw chicken. I can get a whole case of chicken backs for

$6...that is 30 lbs of chicken backs. If I had a big freezer that

would be great...but I don't, cause I wouldn't want to give them more

than one per day because that is a very fatty piece of chicken.

>

> Sorry...just rambling...lol

> Caroline

> -

> Rasberry4000@a...

> herbal remedies

> Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Garlic

>

>

> In a message dated 4/29/2004 5:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight

Time, irishfox@l... writes:

> Basically, everything I feed to my dogs is RAW meat and

Bones. Chicken:

> wings, backs, necks, gizzards, livers - Any type of beef

where the bones

> are edible, like ox tails or short ribs, beef liver,

kidneys and hearts

> Bison but not on bones, Pork neck bones, pork liver, turkey

necks, green

> tripe (unbleached), raw organic eggs from free range

chickens, whole

> milk yogurt, garlic, fish body oils (daily), vit E, bee

pollen.

> Obviously I don't feed all of these things every day but do

try for

> variety.

> My dogs have wonderfully clean teeth and fresh sweet breath

and never

> have to have their teeth cleaned.

> Anne

> You know that chicken and turkey bones are no good and can

cause damage to them right? These are not editable bones.

>

> Samantha

>

>

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using

any natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post

here as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that,

and any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their

own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List

Owner and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using

any natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post

here as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that,

and any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their

own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List

Owner and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

>

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here

as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner

and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

>

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