Guest guest Report post Posted June 21, 2009 Dear Sir, Namasthe. I do not view in angle of polishing the gun. Not at all. There is a saying in Oriya, "Rishi gotike matha gotiea". It means every Rishi has his own different opinion. We, many a times have difference in opinion. It does not mean we go to war foot. This is a forum and it is for discussion, not for polishing the gun but for poslishing knowledge. It would be best if all the group members use one uniform ayanamsa. Secondly, if one and all do not agree to it, one has to use only one ayanamsa for all of his charts, either Lahiri or KP Streight of NKPA or any other. But one has to be particular to his own menthods. Thirdly, one should not use alternaative ayanamsa to prove a happening post facto. Use any ayanamsa but be consistent whether for future prediction or post facto event. This is just an opinion. Its not a discharge from a gun. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:21:50 PMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Dr. Rath and friends.The problem of using Ayanamsa is not a new thread in KP.One KP writer Prof.K.P.Singh M.A, has written an article to AA, May 1978, with the topic of "THE AYANAMSA BATTLE"He has pointed out the inability of astronomers to ascertain for certain date when the precession of the equinoxes started and they have divided in their opinion about the average annual rate of precession.Further he has mentioned that the result was we have several schools of Ayanamsa prevalent, each school justifying its own.He has discussed on three charts of a single native, erected through different Ayanamsa, to prove his ideas and to make it eye opener of the KP followers.In my boyhood of this forum I too had request to make a uniformity in using Ayanamsa, at least within our group.But we were talking only for more than three decades and still are talking?Please don't treat this issue as a polishing the guns for another battle of Ayanamsa.Sunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:36:53 AMRe: Re: first child birth What ever method we follow for prediction, the cusps and the planetary positions should not differ, in other word, an uniform Ayanamsa has to be used by one and all. In case some one does nt use NKPA the prediction by the members shall definitely differ. Let all of us use only NKPA. This is my view. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comFriday, June 19, 2009 9:43:19 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Sunil GondhalekarKPNA(2003) 23-32-12 shows from 14-8-2006 to 22-8-2006 J-J-J-M KP(old) 23-31-19 shows from 11-8-2006 to 19-8-2006 J-J-J-M Your date for marriage is between 11-8-2006 and 19-8-2006 Actual marriage was on 21-8-2006 It seems you have used KP(old) ayanamsha for 4 step method. Why you have choosen the KP(old) for your calculation? Which ayanamsha is correct for 4 step method? Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 6/18/09, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: first child birth@gro ups.comThursday, June 18, 2009, 10:15 AM dear sujata, no,time difference may be due to ayanansha used -sunil gondhalekar On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Mr SunilCould it be due to transit not agreeing RegardsSujata sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.comTuesday, 16 June, 2009 4:06:22 PM Re: first child birth dear dr.rath, the actual marriage was celebrated in Moon sookshmabut Sun shows the probabality of marriage.Sun periodis prior to Moon and it may happen due to ayanamshadifferences.i hope this has cleared you,but if not mail againthanks-sunil gondhalekar @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir Sunilji,> My due regards to you. > Actually I was awaiting for such an analysis. Thank you so much. About the significations in 4th step offering marriage , it is quite OK.> But will you kindly explain that marriage could be celebrates during Jupiter's periods and Sun did not appear in DBAS. > I shall be grateful for your kind reply.> My respects to you.> Dr. Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ....>> @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 5:04:05 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > dear dr.rath,> this chart can be solved thr 4 step theory.> the 7 th sub is saturn > it signify as follows: bhava shown in brkt are strong significators> > PLANET : SATURN> Itself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > Saturn signify 2-11 houses on 4th step indicated marriage as wel as issue.> > marriage celebrated in JUP/JUP/JUP/ MOON> the signification of Jupiter is as follows> > PLANET : JUPITER> Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 > It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > jupiter signify 2-8-11 which are favaurable for marriage> to complete the chain we require 7th house which is indicated by Sun> it signify as follow> > PLANET : SUN> Itself :----------- --- Sun:- (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (5) > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (9) (2) (11) > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > > so marriage celebration shud be during 11th aug to 19th aug> actual marriage was on 21st,2 days difference.> > now regarding issue, it will be in JUP/SAT/RAHU period> i.e.may2010 to sept 2010> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > > Dear Anandji,> I assume you are Anand by name. If wrong I am sorry.> Did you get any reply from any body to your message? If so kindly inform me.> The horoscope is definitely a challange for us. I have been swimming in it for quite some time.> I request plesse reply me.> With regards.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 <anandbala9@ gmail. com> > > @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM > > first child birth> > > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 21, 2009 Dr.Rath is absolutely correct. I agree with him. All the members in our group are not gunmen. Thanks & Regds. Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sun, 21/6/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: first child birth Date: Sunday, 21 June, 2009, 7:55 AM Dear Sir, Namasthe. I do not view in angle of polishing the gun. Not at all. There is a saying in Oriya, "Rishi gotike matha gotiea". It means every Rishi has his own different opinion. We, many a times have difference in opinion. It does not mean we go to war foot. This is a forum and it is for discussion, not for polishing the gun but for poslishing knowledge. It would be best if all the group members use one uniform ayanamsa. Secondly, if one and all do not agree to it, one has to use only one ayanamsa for all of his charts, either Lahiri or KP Streight of NKPA or any other. But one has to be particular to his own menthods. Thirdly, one should not use alternaative ayanamsa to prove a happening post facto. Use any ayanamsa but be consistent whether for future prediction or post facto event. This is just an opinion. Its not a discharge from a gun. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:21:50 PMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Dr. Rath and friends.The problem of using Ayanamsa is not a new thread in KP.One KP writer Prof.K.P.Singh M.A, has written an article to AA, May 1978, with the topic of "THE AYANAMSA BATTLE"He has pointed out the inability of astronomers to ascertain for certain date when the precession of the equinoxes started and they have divided in their opinion about the average annual rate of precession.Further he has mentioned that the result was we have several schools of Ayanamsa prevalent, each school justifying its own.He has discussed on three charts of a single native, erected through different Ayanamsa, to prove his ideas and to make it eye opener of the KP followers.In my boyhood of this forum I too had request to make a uniformity in using Ayanamsa, at least within our group.But we were talking only for more than three decades and still are talking?Please don't treat this issue as a polishing the guns for another battle of Ayanamsa.Sunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:36:53 AMRe: Re: first child birth What ever method we follow for prediction, the cusps and the planetary positions should not differ, in other word, an uniform Ayanamsa has to be used by one and all. In case some one does nt use NKPA the prediction by the members shall definitely differ. Let all of us use only NKPA. This is my view. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comFriday, June 19, 2009 9:43:19 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Sunil GondhalekarKPNA(2003) 23-32-12 shows from 14-8-2006 to 22-8-2006 J-J-J-M KP(old) 23-31-19 shows from 11-8-2006 to 19-8-2006 J-J-J-M Your date for marriage is between 11-8-2006 and 19-8-2006 Actual marriage was on 21-8-2006 It seems you have used KP(old) ayanamsha for 4 step method. Why you have choosen the KP(old) for your calculation? Which ayanamsha is correct for 4 step method? Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 6/18/09, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: first child birth@gro ups.comThursday, June 18, 2009, 10:15 AM dear sujata, no,time difference may be due to ayanansha used -sunil gondhalekar On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Mr SunilCould it be due to transit not agreeing RegardsSujata sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.comTuesday, 16 June, 2009 4:06:22 PM Re: first child birth dear dr.rath, the actual marriage was celebrated in Moon sookshmabut Sun shows the probabality of marriage.Sun periodis prior to Moon and it may happen due to ayanamshadifferences.i hope this has cleared you,but if not mail againthanks-sunil gondhalekar @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir Sunilji,> My due regards to you. > Actually I was awaiting for such an analysis. Thank you so much. About the significations in 4th step offering marriage , it is quite OK.> But will you kindly explain that marriage could be celebrates during Jupiter's periods and Sun did not appear in DBAS. > I shall be grateful for your kind reply.> My respects to you.> Dr. Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ....>> @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 5:04:05 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > dear dr.rath,> this chart can be solved thr 4 step theory.> the 7 th sub is saturn > it signify as follows: bhava shown in brkt are strong significators> > PLANET : SATURN> Itself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > Saturn signify 2-11 houses on 4th step indicated marriage as wel as issue.> > marriage celebrated in JUP/JUP/JUP/ MOON> the signification of Jupiter is as follows> > PLANET : JUPITER> Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 > It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > jupiter signify 2-8-11 which are favaurable for marriage> to complete the chain we require 7th house which is indicated by Sun> it signify as follow> > PLANET : SUN> Itself :----------- --- Sun:- (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (5) > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (9) (2) (11) > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > > so marriage celebration shud be during 11th aug to 19th aug> actual marriage was on 21st,2 days difference.> > now regarding issue, it will be in JUP/SAT/RAHU period> i.e.may2010 to sept 2010> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > > Dear Anandji,> I assume you are Anand by name. If wrong I am sorry.> Did you get any reply from any body to your message? If so kindly inform me.> The horoscope is definitely a challange for us. I have been swimming in it for quite some time.> I request plesse reply me.> With regards.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 <anandbala9@ gmail. com> > > @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM > > first child birth> > > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 21, 2009 Good Evening,Respected Dr Rath ji,Sorry for yr misunderstanding in my issue.What I have written is with an eye to agreement with yr suggestion, but not for any argument with u or with anybody else. I don't want to make room for any wasting of valuable time and knowledge of our member by even a Comma of my writings.I just wanted to point out that even prior to three decades, there was not an uniformity in selecting Ayanamsa and still it is in the same level and make attention to the contents of the article of Prof.K.P.Singh.When we look at the past, we can see several occasions of time wasting in this issue in our group, but no uniformity or conclusion is come out.So I used my last sentence with the mind of not allowing any body to start any argument in this thread.How ever it is happy to see now most of our members are using NKPA.Sorry for any inconvenience caused. and beg pardon from all.SunaparanthaLuther Rath <rathluther Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:55:20 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Sir, Namasthe. I do not view in angle of polishing the gun. Not at all. There is a saying in Oriya, "Rishi gotike matha gotiea". It means every Rishi has his own different opinion. We, many a times have difference in opinion. It does not mean we go to war foot. This is a forum and it is for discussion, not for polishing the gun but for poslishing knowledge. It would be best if all the group members use one uniform ayanamsa. Secondly, if one and all do not agree to it, one has to use only one ayanamsa for all of his charts, either Lahiri or KP Streight of NKPA or any other. But one has to be particular to his own menthods. Thirdly, one should not use alternaative ayanamsa to prove a happening post facto. Use any ayanamsa but be consistent whether for future prediction or post facto event. This is just an opinion. Its not a discharge from a gun. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:21:50 PMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Dr. Rath and friends.The problem of using Ayanamsa is not a new thread in KP.One KP writer Prof.K.P.Singh M.A, has written an article to AA, May 1978, with the topic of "THE AYANAMSA BATTLE"He has pointed out the inability of astronomers to ascertain for certain date when the precession of the equinoxes started and they have divided in their opinion about the average annual rate of precession.Further he has mentioned that the result was we have several schools of Ayanamsa prevalent, each school justifying its own.He has discussed on three charts of a single native, erected through different Ayanamsa, to prove his ideas and to make it eye opener of the KP followers.In my boyhood of this forum I too had request to make a uniformity in using Ayanamsa, at least within our group.But we were talking only for more than three decades and still are talking?Please don't treat this issue as a polishing the guns for another battle of Ayanamsa.Sunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:36:53 AMRe: Re: first child birth What ever method we follow for prediction, the cusps and the planetary positions should not differ, in other word, an uniform Ayanamsa has to be used by one and all. In case some one does nt use NKPA the prediction by the members shall definitely differ. Let all of us use only NKPA. This is my view. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comFriday, June 19, 2009 9:43:19 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Sunil GondhalekarKPNA(2003) 23-32-12 shows from 14-8-2006 to 22-8-2006 J-J-J-M KP(old) 23-31-19 shows from 11-8-2006 to 19-8-2006 J-J-J-M Your date for marriage is between 11-8-2006 and 19-8-2006 Actual marriage was on 21-8-2006 It seems you have used KP(old) ayanamsha for 4 step method. Why you have choosen the KP(old) for your calculation? Which ayanamsha is correct for 4 step method? Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 6/18/09, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: first child birth@gro ups.comThursday, June 18, 2009, 10:15 AM dear sujata, no,time difference may be due to ayanansha used -sunil gondhalekar On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Mr SunilCould it be due to transit not agreeing RegardsSujata sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.comTuesday, 16 June, 2009 4:06:22 PM Re: first child birth dear dr.rath, the actual marriage was celebrated in Moon sookshmabut Sun shows the probabality of marriage.Sun periodis prior to Moon and it may happen due to ayanamshadifferences.i hope this has cleared you,but if not mail againthanks-sunil gondhalekar @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir Sunilji,> My due regards to you. > Actually I was awaiting for such an analysis. Thank you so much. About the significations in 4th step offering marriage , it is quite OK.> But will you kindly explain that marriage could be celebrates during Jupiter's periods and Sun did not appear in DBAS. > I shall be grateful for your kind reply.> My respects to you.> Dr. Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ....>> @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 5:04:05 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > dear dr.rath,> this chart can be solved thr 4 step theory.> the 7 th sub is saturn > it signify as follows: bhava shown in brkt are strong significators> > PLANET : SATURN> Itself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > Saturn signify 2-11 houses on 4th step indicated marriage as wel as issue.> > marriage celebrated in JUP/JUP/JUP/ MOON> the signification of Jupiter is as follows> > PLANET : JUPITER> Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 > It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > jupiter signify 2-8-11 which are favaurable for marriage> to complete the chain we require 7th house which is indicated by Sun> it signify as follow> > PLANET : SUN> Itself :----------- --- Sun:- (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (5) > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (9) (2) (11) > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > > so marriage celebration shud be during 11th aug to 19th aug> actual marriage was on 21st,2 days difference.> > now regarding issue, it will be in JUP/SAT/RAHU period> i.e.may2010 to sept 2010> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > > Dear Anandji,> I assume you are Anand by name. If wrong I am sorry.> Did you get any reply from any body to your message? If so kindly inform me.> The horoscope is definitely a challange for us. I have been swimming in it for quite some time.> I request plesse reply me.> With regards.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 <anandbala9@ gmail. com> > > @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM > > first child birth> > > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2009 Dear Rath, I am not aware about KP Streight of NKPA. Can you give some details. Thanks D.Senthil--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: first child birth Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 7:25 PM Dear Sir, Namasthe. I do not view in angle of polishing the gun. Not at all. There is a saying in Oriya, "Rishi gotike matha gotiea". It means every Rishi has his own different opinion. We, many a times have difference in opinion. It does not mean we go to war foot. This is a forum and it is for discussion, not for polishing the gun but for poslishing knowledge. It would be best if all the group members use one uniform ayanamsa. Secondly, if one and all do not agree to it, one has to use only one ayanamsa for all of his charts, either Lahiri or KP Streight of NKPA or any other. But one has to be particular to his own menthods. Thirdly, one should not use alternaative ayanamsa to prove a happening post facto. Use any ayanamsa but be consistent whether for future prediction or post facto event. This is just an opinion. Its not a discharge from a gun. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:21:50 PMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Dr. Rath and friends.The problem of using Ayanamsa is not a new thread in KP.One KP writer Prof.K.P.Singh M.A, has written an article to AA, May 1978, with the topic of "THE AYANAMSA BATTLE"He has pointed out the inability of astronomers to ascertain for certain date when the precession of the equinoxes started and they have divided in their opinion about the average annual rate of precession.Further he has mentioned that the result was we have several schools of Ayanamsa prevalent, each school justifying its own.He has discussed on three charts of a single native, erected through different Ayanamsa, to prove his ideas and to make it eye opener of the KP followers.In my boyhood of this forum I too had request to make a uniformity in using Ayanamsa, at least within our group.But we were talking only for more than three decades and still are talking?Please don't treat this issue as a polishing the guns for another battle of Ayanamsa.Sunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:36:53 AMRe: Re: first child birth What ever method we follow for prediction, the cusps and the planetary positions should not differ, in other word, an uniform Ayanamsa has to be used by one and all. In case some one does nt use NKPA the prediction by the members shall definitely differ. Let all of us use only NKPA. This is my view. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comFriday, June 19, 2009 9:43:19 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Sunil GondhalekarKPNA(2003) 23-32-12 shows from 14-8-2006 to 22-8-2006 J-J-J-M KP(old) 23-31-19 shows from 11-8-2006 to 19-8-2006 J-J-J-M Your date for marriage is between 11-8-2006 and 19-8-2006 Actual marriage was on 21-8-2006 It seems you have used KP(old) ayanamsha for 4 step method. Why you have choosen the KP(old) for your calculation? Which ayanamsha is correct for 4 step method? Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 6/18/09, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: first child birth@gro ups.comThursday, June 18, 2009, 10:15 AM dear sujata, no,time difference may be due to ayanansha used -sunil gondhalekar On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Mr SunilCould it be due to transit not agreeing RegardsSujata sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.comTuesday, 16 June, 2009 4:06:22 PM Re: first child birth dear dr.rath, the actual marriage was celebrated in Moon sookshmabut Sun shows the probabality of marriage.Sun periodis prior to Moon and it may happen due to ayanamshadifferences.i hope this has cleared you,but if not mail againthanks-sunil gondhalekar @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir Sunilji,> My due regards to you. > Actually I was awaiting for such an analysis. Thank you so much. About the significations in 4th step offering marriage , it is quite OK.> But will you kindly explain that marriage could be celebrates during Jupiter's periods and Sun did not appear in DBAS. > I shall be grateful for your kind reply.> My respects to you.> Dr. Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ....>> @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 5:04:05 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > dear dr.rath,> this chart can be solved thr 4 step theory.> the 7 th sub is saturn > it signify as follows: bhava shown in brkt are strong significators> > PLANET : SATURN> Itself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > Saturn signify 2-11 houses on 4th step indicated marriage as wel as issue.> > marriage celebrated in JUP/JUP/JUP/ MOON> the signification of Jupiter is as follows> > PLANET : JUPITER> Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 > It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > jupiter signify 2-8-11 which are favaurable for marriage> to complete the chain we require 7th house which is indicated by Sun> it signify as follow> > PLANET : SUN> Itself :----------- --- Sun:- (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (5) > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (9) (2) (11) > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > > so marriage celebration shud be during 11th aug to 19th aug> actual marriage was on 21st,2 days difference.> > now regarding issue, it will be in JUP/SAT/RAHU period> i.e.may2010 to sept 2010> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > > Dear Anandji,> I assume you are Anand by name. If wrong I am sorry.> Did you get any reply from any body to your message? If so kindly inform me.> The horoscope is definitely a challange for us. I have been swimming in it for quite some time.> I request plesse reply me.> With regards.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 <anandbala9@ gmail. com> > > @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM > > first child birth> > > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2009 Thank you Dear Naiduji, for your supporting message. Dr. Rath K. P. Naidu <konathalan Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:54:07 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dr.Rath is absolutely correct. I agree with him. All the members in our group are not gunmen. Thanks & Regds. Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sun, 21/6/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: first child birth@gro ups.comSunday, 21 June, 2009, 7:55 AM Dear Sir, Namasthe. I do not view in angle of polishing the gun. Not at all. There is a saying in Oriya, "Rishi gotike matha gotiea". It means every Rishi has his own different opinion. We, many a times have difference in opinion. It does not mean we go to war foot. This is a forum and it is for discussion, not for polishing the gun but for poslishing knowledge. It would be best if all the group members use one uniform ayanamsa. Secondly, if one and all do not agree to it, one has to use only one ayanamsa for all of his charts, either Lahiri or KP Streight of NKPA or any other. But one has to be particular to his own menthods. Thirdly, one should not use alternaative ayanamsa to prove a happening post facto. Use any ayanamsa but be consistent whether for future prediction or post facto event. This is just an opinion. Its not a discharge from a gun. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:21:50 PMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Dr. Rath and friends.The problem of using Ayanamsa is not a new thread in KP.One KP writer Prof.K.P.Singh M.A, has written an article to AA, May 1978, with the topic of "THE AYANAMSA BATTLE"He has pointed out the inability of astronomers to ascertain for certain date when the precession of the equinoxes started and they have divided in their opinion about the average annual rate of precession.Further he has mentioned that the result was we have several schools of Ayanamsa prevalent, each school justifying its own.He has discussed on three charts of a single native, erected through different Ayanamsa, to prove his ideas and to make it eye opener of the KP followers.In my boyhood of this forum I too had request to make a uniformity in using Ayanamsa, at least within our group.But we were talking only for more than three decades and still are talking?Please don't treat this issue as a polishing the guns for another battle of Ayanamsa.Sunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:36:53 AMRe: Re: first child birth What ever method we follow for prediction, the cusps and the planetary positions should not differ, in other word, an uniform Ayanamsa has to be used by one and all. In case some one does nt use NKPA the prediction by the members shall definitely differ. Let all of us use only NKPA. This is my view. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comFriday, June 19, 2009 9:43:19 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Sunil GondhalekarKPNA(2003) 23-32-12 shows from 14-8-2006 to 22-8-2006 J-J-J-M KP(old) 23-31-19 shows from 11-8-2006 to 19-8-2006 J-J-J-M Your date for marriage is between 11-8-2006 and 19-8-2006 Actual marriage was on 21-8-2006 It seems you have used KP(old) ayanamsha for 4 step method. Why you have choosen the KP(old) for your calculation? Which ayanamsha is correct for 4 step method? Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 6/18/09, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: first child birth@gro ups.comThursday, June 18, 2009, 10:15 AM dear sujata, no,time difference may be due to ayanansha used -sunil gondhalekar On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Mr SunilCould it be due to transit not agreeing RegardsSujata sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.comTuesday, 16 June, 2009 4:06:22 PM Re: first child birth dear dr.rath, the actual marriage was celebrated in Moon sookshmabut Sun shows the probabality of marriage.Sun periodis prior to Moon and it may happen due to ayanamshadifferences.i hope this has cleared you,but if not mail againthanks-sunil gondhalekar @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir Sunilji,> My due regards to you. > Actually I was awaiting for such an analysis. Thank you so much. About the significations in 4th step offering marriage , it is quite OK.> But will you kindly explain that marriage could be celebrates during Jupiter's periods and Sun did not appear in DBAS. > I shall be grateful for your kind reply.> My respects to you.> Dr. Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ....>> @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 5:04:05 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > dear dr.rath,> this chart can be solved thr 4 step theory.> the 7 th sub is saturn > it signify as follows: bhava shown in brkt are strong significators> > PLANET : SATURN> Itself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > Saturn signify 2-11 houses on 4th step indicated marriage as wel as issue.> > marriage celebrated in JUP/JUP/JUP/ MOON> the signification of Jupiter is as follows> > PLANET : JUPITER> Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 > It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > jupiter signify 2-8-11 which are favaurable for marriage> to complete the chain we require 7th house which is indicated by Sun> it signify as follow> > PLANET : SUN> Itself :----------- --- Sun:- (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (5) > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (9) (2) (11) > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > > so marriage celebration shud be during 11th aug to 19th aug> actual marriage was on 21st,2 days difference.> > now regarding issue, it will be in JUP/SAT/RAHU period> i.e.may2010 to sept 2010> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > > Dear Anandji,> I assume you are Anand by name. If wrong I am sorry.> Did you get any reply from any body to your message? If so kindly inform me.> The horoscope is definitely a challange for us. I have been swimming in it for quite some time.> I request plesse reply me.> With regards.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 <anandbala9@ gmail. com> > > @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM > > first child birth> > > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2009 Dear Sunaparanthaji, I have not taken that in that sense.Excuse me if it meant that way. I wrote only for discussion sake and it was a general one. We, all the members have not yet come to a dicision to use any particular ayanamsa. Many of us follow NKPA, I suppose. Any one can follow any ayanamsa that is suitable for him. But there should be consistency. With my respects to you. Dr. Rath Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:25:04 PMRe: Re: first child birth Good Evening,Respected Dr Rath ji,Sorry for yr misunderstanding in my issue.What I have written is with an eye to agreement with yr suggestion, but not for any argument with u or with anybody else. I don't want to make room for any wasting of valuable time and knowledge of our member by even a Comma of my writings. I just wanted to point out that even prior to three decades, there was not an uniformity in selecting Ayanamsa and still it is in the same level and make attention to the contents of the article of Prof.K.P.Singh.When we look at the past, we can see several occasions of time wasting in this issue in our group, but no uniformity or conclusion is come out.So I used my last sentence with the mind of not allowing any body to start any argument in this thread.How ever it is happy to see now most of our members are using NKPA.Sorry for any inconvenience caused. and beg pardon from all.Sunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comSunday, June 21, 2009 7:55:20 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Sir, Namasthe. I do not view in angle of polishing the gun. Not at all. There is a saying in Oriya, "Rishi gotike matha gotiea". It means every Rishi has his own different opinion. We, many a times have difference in opinion. It does not mean we go to war foot. This is a forum and it is for discussion, not for polishing the gun but for poslishing knowledge. It would be best if all the group members use one uniform ayanamsa. Secondly, if one and all do not agree to it, one has to use only one ayanamsa for all of his charts, either Lahiri or KP Streight of NKPA or any other. But one has to be particular to his own menthods. Thirdly, one should not use alternaative ayanamsa to prove a happening post facto. Use any ayanamsa but be consistent whether for future prediction or post facto event. This is just an opinion. Its not a discharge from a gun. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:21:50 PMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Dr. Rath and friends.The problem of using Ayanamsa is not a new thread in KP.One KP writer Prof.K.P.Singh M.A, has written an article to AA, May 1978, with the topic of "THE AYANAMSA BATTLE"He has pointed out the inability of astronomers to ascertain for certain date when the precession of the equinoxes started and they have divided in their opinion about the average annual rate of precession.Further he has mentioned that the result was we have several schools of Ayanamsa prevalent, each school justifying its own.He has discussed on three charts of a single native, erected through different Ayanamsa, to prove his ideas and to make it eye opener of the KP followers.In my boyhood of this forum I too had request to make a uniformity in using Ayanamsa, at least within our group.But we were talking only for more than three decades and still are talking?Please don't treat this issue as a polishing the guns for another battle of Ayanamsa.Sunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:36:53 AMRe: Re: first child birth What ever method we follow for prediction, the cusps and the planetary positions should not differ, in other word, an uniform Ayanamsa has to be used by one and all. In case some one does nt use NKPA the prediction by the members shall definitely differ. Let all of us use only NKPA. This is my view. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comFriday, June 19, 2009 9:43:19 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Sunil GondhalekarKPNA(2003) 23-32-12 shows from 14-8-2006 to 22-8-2006 J-J-J-M KP(old) 23-31-19 shows from 11-8-2006 to 19-8-2006 J-J-J-M Your date for marriage is between 11-8-2006 and 19-8-2006 Actual marriage was on 21-8-2006 It seems you have used KP(old) ayanamsha for 4 step method. Why you have choosen the KP(old) for your calculation? Which ayanamsha is correct for 4 step method? Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 6/18/09, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: first child birth@gro ups.comThursday, June 18, 2009, 10:15 AM dear sujata, no,time difference may be due to ayanansha used -sunil gondhalekar On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Mr SunilCould it be due to transit not agreeing RegardsSujata sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.comTuesday, 16 June, 2009 4:06:22 PM Re: first child birth dear dr.rath, the actual marriage was celebrated in Moon sookshmabut Sun shows the probabality of marriage.Sun periodis prior to Moon and it may happen due to ayanamshadifferences.i hope this has cleared you,but if not mail againthanks-sunil gondhalekar @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir Sunilji,> My due regards to you. > Actually I was awaiting for such an analysis. Thank you so much. About the significations in 4th step offering marriage , it is quite OK.> But will you kindly explain that marriage could be celebrates during Jupiter's periods and Sun did not appear in DBAS. > I shall be grateful for your kind reply.> My respects to you.> Dr. Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ....>> @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 5:04:05 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > dear dr.rath,> this chart can be solved thr 4 step theory.> the 7 th sub is saturn > it signify as follows: bhava shown in brkt are strong significators> > PLANET : SATURN> Itself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > Saturn signify 2-11 houses on 4th step indicated marriage as wel as issue.> > marriage celebrated in JUP/JUP/JUP/ MOON> the signification of Jupiter is as follows> > PLANET : JUPITER> Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 > It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > jupiter signify 2-8-11 which are favaurable for marriage> to complete the chain we require 7th house which is indicated by Sun> it signify as follow> > PLANET : SUN> Itself :----------- --- Sun:- (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (5) > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (9) (2) (11) > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > > so marriage celebration shud be during 11th aug to 19th aug> actual marriage was on 21st,2 days difference.> > now regarding issue, it will be in JUP/SAT/RAHU period> i.e.may2010 to sept 2010> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > > Dear Anandji,> I assume you are Anand by name. If wrong I am sorry.> Did you get any reply from any body to your message? If so kindly inform me.> The horoscope is definitely a challange for us. I have been swimming in it for quite some time.> I request plesse reply me.> With regards.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 <anandbala9@ gmail. com> > > @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM > > first child birth> > > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2009 Good evening Respected Dr.Rath.Thanks for pouring water to my firing mind.sunaparanthaLuther Rath <rathluther Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:08:53 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Sunaparanthaji, I have not taken that in that sense.Excuse me if it meant that way. I wrote only for discussion sake and it was a general one. We, all the members have not yet come to a dicision to use any particular ayanamsa. Many of us follow NKPA, I suppose. Any one can follow any ayanamsa that is suitable for him. But there should be consistency. With my respects to you. Dr. Rath Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comSunday, June 21, 2009 8:25:04 PMRe: Re: first child birth Good Evening,Respected Dr Rath ji,Sorry for yr misunderstanding in my issue.What I have written is with an eye to agreement with yr suggestion, but not for any argument with u or with anybody else. I don't want to make room for any wasting of valuable time and knowledge of our member by even a Comma of my writings. I just wanted to point out that even prior to three decades, there was not an uniformity in selecting Ayanamsa and still it is in the same level and make attention to the contents of the article of Prof.K.P.Singh.When we look at the past, we can see several occasions of time wasting in this issue in our group, but no uniformity or conclusion is come out.So I used my last sentence with the mind of not allowing any body to start any argument in this thread.How ever it is happy to see now most of our members are using NKPA.Sorry for any inconvenience caused. and beg pardon from all.Sunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comSunday, June 21, 2009 7:55:20 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Sir, Namasthe. I do not view in angle of polishing the gun. Not at all. There is a saying in Oriya, "Rishi gotike matha gotiea". It means every Rishi has his own different opinion. We, many a times have difference in opinion. It does not mean we go to war foot. This is a forum and it is for discussion, not for polishing the gun but for poslishing knowledge. It would be best if all the group members use one uniform ayanamsa. Secondly, if one and all do not agree to it, one has to use only one ayanamsa for all of his charts, either Lahiri or KP Streight of NKPA or any other. But one has to be particular to his own menthods. Thirdly, one should not use alternaative ayanamsa to prove a happening post facto. Use any ayanamsa but be consistent whether for future prediction or post facto event. This is just an opinion. Its not a discharge from a gun. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:21:50 PMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Dr. Rath and friends.The problem of using Ayanamsa is not a new thread in KP.One KP writer Prof.K.P.Singh M.A, has written an article to AA, May 1978, with the topic of "THE AYANAMSA BATTLE"He has pointed out the inability of astronomers to ascertain for certain date when the precession of the equinoxes started and they have divided in their opinion about the average annual rate of precession.Further he has mentioned that the result was we have several schools of Ayanamsa prevalent, each school justifying its own.He has discussed on three charts of a single native, erected through different Ayanamsa, to prove his ideas and to make it eye opener of the KP followers.In my boyhood of this forum I too had request to make a uniformity in using Ayanamsa, at least within our group.But we were talking only for more than three decades and still are talking?Please don't treat this issue as a polishing the guns for another battle of Ayanamsa.Sunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:36:53 AMRe: Re: first child birth What ever method we follow for prediction, the cusps and the planetary positions should not differ, in other word, an uniform Ayanamsa has to be used by one and all. In case some one does nt use NKPA the prediction by the members shall definitely differ. Let all of us use only NKPA. This is my view. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comFriday, June 19, 2009 9:43:19 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Sunil GondhalekarKPNA(2003) 23-32-12 shows from 14-8-2006 to 22-8-2006 J-J-J-M KP(old) 23-31-19 shows from 11-8-2006 to 19-8-2006 J-J-J-M Your date for marriage is between 11-8-2006 and 19-8-2006 Actual marriage was on 21-8-2006 It seems you have used KP(old) ayanamsha for 4 step method. Why you have choosen the KP(old) for your calculation? Which ayanamsha is correct for 4 step method? Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 6/18/09, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: first child birth@gro ups.comThursday, June 18, 2009, 10:15 AM dear sujata, no,time difference may be due to ayanansha used -sunil gondhalekar On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Mr SunilCould it be due to transit not agreeing RegardsSujata sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.comTuesday, 16 June, 2009 4:06:22 PM Re: first child birth dear dr.rath, the actual marriage was celebrated in Moon sookshmabut Sun shows the probabality of marriage.Sun periodis prior to Moon and it may happen due to ayanamshadifferences.i hope this has cleared you,but if not mail againthanks-sunil gondhalekar @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir Sunilji,> My due regards to you. > Actually I was awaiting for such an analysis. Thank you so much. About the significations in 4th step offering marriage , it is quite OK.> But will you kindly explain that marriage could be celebrates during Jupiter's periods and Sun did not appear in DBAS. > I shall be grateful for your kind reply.> My respects to you.> Dr. Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ....>> @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 5:04:05 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > dear dr.rath,> this chart can be solved thr 4 step theory.> the 7 th sub is saturn > it signify as follows: bhava shown in brkt are strong significators> > PLANET : SATURN> Itself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > Saturn signify 2-11 houses on 4th step indicated marriage as wel as issue.> > marriage celebrated in JUP/JUP/JUP/ MOON> the signification of Jupiter is as follows> > PLANET : JUPITER> Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 > It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > jupiter signify 2-8-11 which are favaurable for marriage> to complete the chain we require 7th house which is indicated by Sun> it signify as follow> > PLANET : SUN> Itself :----------- --- Sun:- (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (5) > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (9) (2) (11) > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > > so marriage celebration shud be during 11th aug to 19th aug> actual marriage was on 21st,2 days difference.> > now regarding issue, it will be in JUP/SAT/RAHU period> i.e.may2010 to sept 2010> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > > Dear Anandji,> I assume you are Anand by name. If wrong I am sorry.> Did you get any reply from any body to your message? If so kindly inform me.> The horoscope is definitely a challange for us. I have been swimming in it for quite some time.> I request plesse reply me.> With regards.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 <anandbala9@ gmail. com> > > @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM > > first child birth> > > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 23, 2009 Dear Senthil, Good morning. Please see the file, 'Review of KP Ayanamsa' uploded by TWji in the File section. Dr. Rath Senthil <athi_ram Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 5:23:16 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Rath, I am not aware about KP Streight of NKPA. Can you give some details. Thanks D.Senthil--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: first child birth@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009, 7:25 PM Dear Sir, Namasthe. I do not view in angle of polishing the gun. Not at all. There is a saying in Oriya, "Rishi gotike matha gotiea". It means every Rishi has his own different opinion. We, many a times have difference in opinion. It does not mean we go to war foot. This is a forum and it is for discussion, not for polishing the gun but for poslishing knowledge. It would be best if all the group members use one uniform ayanamsa. Secondly, if one and all do not agree to it, one has to use only one ayanamsa for all of his charts, either Lahiri or KP Streight of NKPA or any other. But one has to be particular to his own menthods. Thirdly, one should not use alternaative ayanamsa to prove a happening post facto. Use any ayanamsa but be consistent whether for future prediction or post facto event. This is just an opinion. Its not a discharge from a gun. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:21:50 PMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Dr. Rath and friends.The problem of using Ayanamsa is not a new thread in KP.One KP writer Prof.K.P.Singh M.A, has written an article to AA, May 1978, with the topic of "THE AYANAMSA BATTLE"He has pointed out the inability of astronomers to ascertain for certain date when the precession of the equinoxes started and they have divided in their opinion about the average annual rate of precession.Further he has mentioned that the result was we have several schools of Ayanamsa prevalent, each school justifying its own.He has discussed on three charts of a single native, erected through different Ayanamsa, to prove his ideas and to make it eye opener of the KP followers.In my boyhood of this forum I too had request to make a uniformity in using Ayanamsa, at least within our group.But we were talking only for more than three decades and still are talking?Please don't treat this issue as a polishing the guns for another battle of Ayanamsa.Sunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:36:53 AMRe: Re: first child birth What ever method we follow for prediction, the cusps and the planetary positions should not differ, in other word, an uniform Ayanamsa has to be used by one and all. In case some one does nt use NKPA the prediction by the members shall definitely differ. Let all of us use only NKPA. This is my view. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comFriday, June 19, 2009 9:43:19 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Sunil GondhalekarKPNA(2003) 23-32-12 shows from 14-8-2006 to 22-8-2006 J-J-J-M KP(old) 23-31-19 shows from 11-8-2006 to 19-8-2006 J-J-J-M Your date for marriage is between 11-8-2006 and 19-8-2006 Actual marriage was on 21-8-2006 It seems you have used KP(old) ayanamsha for 4 step method. Why you have choosen the KP(old) for your calculation? Which ayanamsha is correct for 4 step method? Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 6/18/09, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: first child birth@gro ups.comThursday, June 18, 2009, 10:15 AM dear sujata, no,time difference may be due to ayanansha used -sunil gondhalekar On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Mr SunilCould it be due to transit not agreeing RegardsSujata sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.comTuesday, 16 June, 2009 4:06:22 PM Re: first child birth dear dr.rath, the actual marriage was celebrated in Moon sookshmabut Sun shows the probabality of marriage.Sun periodis prior to Moon and it may happen due to ayanamshadifferences.i hope this has cleared you,but if not mail againthanks-sunil gondhalekar @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir Sunilji,> My due regards to you. > Actually I was awaiting for such an analysis. Thank you so much. About the significations in 4th step offering marriage , it is quite OK.> But will you kindly explain that marriage could be celebrates during Jupiter's periods and Sun did not appear in DBAS. > I shall be grateful for your kind reply.> My respects to you.> Dr. Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ....>> @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 5:04:05 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > dear dr.rath,> this chart can be solved thr 4 step theory.> the 7 th sub is saturn > it signify as follows: bhava shown in brkt are strong significators> > PLANET : SATURN> Itself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > Saturn signify 2-11 houses on 4th step indicated marriage as wel as issue.> > marriage celebrated in JUP/JUP/JUP/ MOON> the signification of Jupiter is as follows> > PLANET : JUPITER> Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 > It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > jupiter signify 2-8-11 which are favaurable for marriage> to complete the chain we require 7th house which is indicated by Sun> it signify as follow> > PLANET : SUN> Itself :----------- --- Sun:- (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (5) > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (9) (2) (11) > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > > so marriage celebration shud be during 11th aug to 19th aug> actual marriage was on 21st,2 days difference.> > now regarding issue, it will be in JUP/SAT/RAHU period> i.e.may2010 to sept 2010> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > > Dear Anandji,> I assume you are Anand by name. If wrong I am sorry.> Did you get any reply from any body to your message? If so kindly inform me.> The horoscope is definitely a challange for us. I have been swimming in it for quite some time.> I request plesse reply me.> With regards.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 <anandbala9@ gmail. com> > > @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM > > first child birth> > > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 23, 2009 Dear Rath, Thanks for the information. Regards, D.Senthil--- On Mon, 6/22/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: first child birth Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 5:18 PM Dear Senthil, Good morning. Please see the file, 'Review of KP Ayanamsa' uploded by TWji in the File section. Dr. Rath Senthil <athi_ram >@gro ups.comMonday, June 22, 2009 5:23:16 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Rath, I am not aware about KP Streight of NKPA. Can you give some details. Thanks D.Senthil--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: first child birth@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009, 7:25 PM Dear Sir, Namasthe. I do not view in angle of polishing the gun. Not at all. There is a saying in Oriya, "Rishi gotike matha gotiea". It means every Rishi has his own different opinion. We, many a times have difference in opinion. It does not mean we go to war foot. This is a forum and it is for discussion, not for polishing the gun but for poslishing knowledge. It would be best if all the group members use one uniform ayanamsa. Secondly, if one and all do not agree to it, one has to use only one ayanamsa for all of his charts, either Lahiri or KP Streight of NKPA or any other. But one has to be particular to his own menthods. Thirdly, one should not use alternaative ayanamsa to prove a happening post facto. Use any ayanamsa but be consistent whether for future prediction or post facto event. This is just an opinion. Its not a discharge from a gun. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:21:50 PMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Dr. Rath and friends.The problem of using Ayanamsa is not a new thread in KP.One KP writer Prof.K.P.Singh M.A, has written an article to AA, May 1978, with the topic of "THE AYANAMSA BATTLE"He has pointed out the inability of astronomers to ascertain for certain date when the precession of the equinoxes started and they have divided in their opinion about the average annual rate of precession.Further he has mentioned that the result was we have several schools of Ayanamsa prevalent, each school justifying its own.He has discussed on three charts of a single native, erected through different Ayanamsa, to prove his ideas and to make it eye opener of the KP followers.In my boyhood of this forum I too had request to make a uniformity in using Ayanamsa, at least within our group.But we were talking only for more than three decades and still are talking?Please don't treat this issue as a polishing the guns for another battle of Ayanamsa.Sunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comSaturday, June 20, 2009 11:36:53 AMRe: Re: first child birth What ever method we follow for prediction, the cusps and the planetary positions should not differ, in other word, an uniform Ayanamsa has to be used by one and all. In case some one does nt use NKPA the prediction by the members shall definitely differ. Let all of us use only NKPA. This is my view. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comFriday, June 19, 2009 9:43:19 AMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Sunil GondhalekarKPNA(2003) 23-32-12 shows from 14-8-2006 to 22-8-2006 J-J-J-M KP(old) 23-31-19 shows from 11-8-2006 to 19-8-2006 J-J-J-M Your date for marriage is between 11-8-2006 and 19-8-2006 Actual marriage was on 21-8-2006 It seems you have used KP(old) ayanamsha for 4 step method. Why you have choosen the KP(old) for your calculation? Which ayanamsha is correct for 4 step method? Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 6/18/09, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: first child birth@gro ups.comThursday, June 18, 2009, 10:15 AM dear sujata, no,time difference may be due to ayanansha used -sunil gondhalekar On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Mr SunilCould it be due to transit not agreeing RegardsSujata sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.comTuesday, 16 June, 2009 4:06:22 PM Re: first child birth dear dr.rath, the actual marriage was celebrated in Moon sookshmabut Sun shows the probabality of marriage.Sun periodis prior to Moon and it may happen due to ayanamshadifferences.i hope this has cleared you,but if not mail againthanks-sunil gondhalekar @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir Sunilji,> My due regards to you. > Actually I was awaiting for such an analysis. Thank you so much. About the significations in 4th step offering marriage , it is quite OK.> But will you kindly explain that marriage could be celebrates during Jupiter's periods and Sun did not appear in DBAS. > I shall be grateful for your kind reply.> My respects to you.> Dr. Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ....>> @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 5:04:05 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > dear dr.rath,> this chart can be solved thr 4 step theory.> the 7 th sub is saturn > it signify as follows: bhava shown in brkt are strong significators> > PLANET : SATURN> Itself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > Saturn signify 2-11 houses on 4th step indicated marriage as wel as issue.> > marriage celebrated in JUP/JUP/JUP/ MOON> the signification of Jupiter is as follows> > PLANET : JUPITER> Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 > It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11)> > jupiter signify 2-8-11 which are favaurable for marriage> to complete the chain we require 7th house which is indicated by Sun> it signify as follow> > PLANET : SUN> Itself :----------- --- Sun:- (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (5) > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (9) (2) (11) > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > > so marriage celebration shud be during 11th aug to 19th aug> actual marriage was on 21st,2 days difference.> > now regarding issue, it will be in JUP/SAT/RAHU period> i.e.may2010 to sept 2010> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > > Dear Anandji,> I assume you are Anand by name. If wrong I am sorry.> Did you get any reply from any body to your message? If so kindly inform me.> The horoscope is definitely a challange for us. I have been swimming in it for quite some time.> I request plesse reply me.> With regards.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 <anandbala9@ gmail. com> > > @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM > > first child birth> > > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Respected Sir, I have been writing all the replies to your doubts. I am not sure if I can complete today. If I do complete I shall send immidiately. Reason for writing this message is that I am going to Calcutta today for about 6 days. If I do not sent today it will be late for 6 days. Hope you shall bear with it. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PMRe: first child birth Dear Dr.Rath, I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath @gro ups.com Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. Dr. Rath balaanand53 <anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comWednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM first child birth Dear Members,It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?Girl's details are as follows:DOB:8th July 1983TOB:22:23 hours ISTPOB:Madras IndiaYour response will be much appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Respected Sir, Please find my answer in the attachment. Dr.Rath Ramani <kadavasalramani Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PMRe: first child birth Dear Dr.Rath, I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath @gro ups.com Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. Dr. Rath balaanand53 <anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comWednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM first child birth Dear Members,It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?Girl's details are as follows:DOB:8th July 1983TOB:22:23 hours ISTPOB:Madras IndiaYour response will be much appreciated. 1 of 1 File(s) Reply to Ramaniji.doc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Dear dr.Rath, No problem. Absolutely no hurry; please take your own time convenient to you. Thanks, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath Wednesday, June 24, 2009 6:20 AM Re: first child birth Respected Sir, I have been writing all the replies to your doubts. I am not sure if I can complete today. If I do complete I shall send immidiately. Reason for writing this message is that I am going to Calcutta today for about 6 days. If I do not sent today it will be late for 6 days. Hope you shall bear with it. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PMRe: first child birth Dear Dr.Rath, I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath @gro ups.com Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. Dr. Rath balaanand53 <anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comWednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM first child birth Dear Members,It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?Girl's details are as follows:DOB:8th July 1983TOB:22:23 hours ISTPOB:Madras IndiaYour response will be much appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 24 June 2009 Dear all Girl's details: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India I have casted the chart using Goravani software. 1. Sub Lord cusp(2,7,11) = Sat 2. Analyse Sat first, Sat in Star Mars-combust Sub Merc-combust a. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1-12) b. Mars signifies (4,4,3-10) c. Merc signifies (9,4,2-11,5-8) 3. I think signification of houses(3,8,5,11) can help to some extent in getting married 4. Mars and Merc are both combust, so they have given their energy to Sun and Sun signifies (9,4,2-11,7), implying Sun is the strong significator of (2,7,11) so that effect seem to go to Mars and Merc too. 5. Consider DBAS JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO at the time of Marriage on Monday the 21st August 2006 6. Dasa, Bhukti, Antra = JUp in Star Sat Sub VEn a. Jup signifies (8,9,1-12,2-11) è quite fruitful for marriage like scenario b. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1-12) but at the same time, SAT is the SUBLORD of CUSPS(2,5,7,8,11) c. Dasa Lord Jup has forced these houses to take action of which Sat is the Sub lord cusp d. Sookshma LORd mon in Star Mars combust (take Sun signification as as well) e. On the other hand Sun in Star Jup Sub Sat. Implying Sun will act as Jup role and give better effect during the Dasa of Jup (I guess) and Sun is the sole significator of house 7 too and also S(2,5,7,11) f. Sun and Jup are complimentary to each other g. Sun in Sub Sat and Sat is the SLC(2,5,7,8,11), hence Sun plays very important role I hope the above helps With Love Ravinder Grover On Behalf Of Luther Rath Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:51 PM Re: first child birth Respected Sir, I have been writing all the replies to your doubts. I am not sure if I can complete today. If I do complete I shall send immidiately. Reason for writing this message is that I am going to Calcutta today for about 6 days. If I do not sent today it will be late for 6 days. Hope you shall bear with it. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM Re: first child birth Dear Dr.Rath, I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani ----- Original Message ----- Luther Rath @gro ups.com Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. Dr. Rath balaanand53 <anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.com Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM first child birth Dear Members, It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child? Girl's details are as follows: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India Your response will be much appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Dear Mr. Grover, Your analysis is quite convincing. Dr. Rath has also explained in a scientific way. In the first attachment to your query, his analysis was Jupiter aspected Sun. Juptr. was 'R' posited in Scorpio and the Sun was in Gemini. I viewed in normal astrologial aspect and not with scientific knowledge. Hope you are convinced with Dr,Rath's reply to my conusion. Pl. give me your views. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Ravinder Grover Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:23 PM RE: first child birth 24 June 2009 Dear all Girl's details: DOB:8th July 1983TOB:22:23 hours ISTPOB:Madras India I have casted the chart using Goravani software. 1. Sub Lord cusp(2,7,11) = Sat 2. Analyse Sat first, Sat in Star Mars-combust Sub Merc-combust a. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1-12) b. Mars signifies (4,4,3-10) c. Merc signifies (9,4,2-11,5-8) 3. I think signification of houses(3,8,5,11) can help to some extent in getting married 4. Mars and Merc are both combust, so they have given their energy to Sun and Sun signifies (9,4,2-11,7), implying Sun is the strong significator of (2,7,11) so that effect seem to go to Mars and Merc too. 5. Consider DBAS JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO at the time of Marriage on Monday the 21st August 2006 6. Dasa, Bhukti, Antra = JUp in Star Sat Sub VEn a. Jup signifies (8,9,1-12,2-11) è quite fruitful for marriage like scenario b. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1-12) but at the same time, SAT is the SUBLORD of CUSPS(2,5,7,8,11) c. Dasa Lord Jup has forced these houses to take action of which Sat is the Sub lord cusp d. Sookshma LORd mon in Star Mars combust (take Sun signification as as well) e. On the other hand Sun in Star Jup Sub Sat. Implying Sun will act as Jup role and give better effect during the Dasa of Jup (I guess) and Sun is the sole significator of house 7 too and also S(2,5,7,11) f. Sun and Jup are complimentary to each other g. Sun in Sub Sat and Sat is the SLC(2,5,7,8,11), hence Sun plays very important role I hope the above helps With Love Ravinder Grover On Behalf Of Luther RathWednesday, June 24, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: Re: first child birth Respected Sir, I have been writing all the replies to your doubts. I am not sure if I can complete today. If I do complete I shall send immidiately. Reason for writing this message is that I am going to Calcutta today for about 6 days. If I do not sent today it will be late for 6 days. Hope you shall bear with it. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PMRe: first child birth Dear Dr.Rath, I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath @gro ups.com Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. Dr. Rath balaanand53 <anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comWednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM first child birth Dear Members,It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?Girl's details are as follows:DOB:8th July 1983TOB:22:23 hours ISTPOB:Madras IndiaYour response will be much appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Respected Sir,I have been following this thread for quite some time. With due apologies for intruding, I would like to offer my comments worth 2 cents.Girl DOB 8 Jul 1983.....TOB 22:23......POB Chennai, TamilnaduThe marriage of the girl was celebrated in Jup-Jup-Jup DBA.The signification of Jupiter according to "Four Step Theory" isItself :-------------- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) It's Sub :------------ Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6Houses mentioned in bracket are strong signification. In my opinion, 4th step in "Four Step Theory" is a step of success which guides the astrologer to correct solution where analysis based on (1) planet (2) it's star lord and (3) it's sub lord fails as in present case.If you see signification of Jupiter (given above) it signifies house 8 through it's star lord Saturn. In four step theory house 8 is considered as supporting house for marriage. But even if this is not acceptable, kindly see it's signification in 4th step. Through Jupiter, the rashi swami of Ketu it signifies 2 as well as 11. And this signification is enough for giving marriage according to me. (Please note that Jupiter is lord of 2 and 11, but this is considered as weak signification because there are planets in Jupiter's star viz Sun and Mercury). It is therefore not necessary to link Jupiter to 7th house through Sun, the only significator of 7th house.Now, regarding the child birth. 5 CSL is Saturn and it's signification isItself :-------------- Saturn:- 8 1 12 It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 It's Sub :------------ Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6It is worth noting that Saturn does not signify 2, 5 or 11 at planet, star or sub level, leading us to conclude that she will not be lucky to have a child. But again on 4th step it signifies 2 and 11 so we can boldly conclude that she is destined to have a child.Comments from seniors and stalwarts are welcome.Subhash Ektare , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:>> Respected Sir, Please find my answer in the attachment.> Dr.Rath> > > > > ________________________________> Ramani kadavasalramani > Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > Dear Dr.Rath,> > I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query.> Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, > except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much> confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion.> This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th,> while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini.> Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these.> > Regards,> > K.S.V.Ramani> - > Luther Rath > @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM> Re: first child birth [1 Attachment]> > Dear Sir, Please find the attachment.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ________________________________> balaanand53 anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM> first child birth> > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Pranam all,Apologies for my late response.,,here I want to share some points:1) In this horoscope saturn 2,5,7,11 csl in mars star venus sub.Mars l/o 3 in 4 and venus in6 , here no planet in venus star . so she is the strongest significator for 6.Some stalwarts in kp say that if a planet`s sub lord stars are unoccupied then we have to give strong preference to its occupation, need not to go further. i think its name is "golden rule " in K.P. If it is so then how saturn the sublord for 7th and jupiter the D-B-A lord in venus sub, resulted in marriage. 2) As per 4 step venus in kethu connected with 2,11 houses. is clear ,, no doubt ., is the only explanation we can give, i use jh hora , as per this sw i find that on 21-08-2006 native is running the period of jup-jup-jup-mars, Mars in rahu star and merc sub and merc again in jupiter star. here we have to note that rahu a node is with merc,sun,mars so will power fully replace sun the only significator for 7th, thus completing the chain of significations. 3) with the same logic in 2 above we can say that saturn 5th csl promises . but here can we say that in saturn - venus Antharam jun 2009-nov 2009, May cause an abortion as venus in kethu star mars sub connected with 2,5,11 houses because kethu denotes jupiter and aspected by merc, and mars in 4 in rahu star connected with 5. but kethu strongly aspected by saturn and mars threatens some danger. Not only that saturn l/o 1, 12 in 8 is sublord for 8th also in mars star venus sub. mars in 4 venus tha badaka lord in 6 denotes some accident during journey, in the same period , dasa-bhukthi-anthara lords jupiter-saturn -venus are 4,8,12 cusp sublords respectively.....May be i am wrong, but just i rised my doubt learned members enlighten me Peace and Prosperity to all !!regardsVGR --- On Wed, 24/6/09, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:Subhash <subhash_ektare Re: first child birth Date: Wednesday, 24 June, 2009, 7:12 PM Respected Sir,I have been following this thread for quite some time. With due apologies for intruding, I would like to offer my comments worth 2 cents.Girl DOB 8 Jul 1983.....TOB 22:23......POB Chennai, TamilnaduThe marriage of the girl was celebrated in Jup-Jup-Jup DBA.The signification of Jupiter according to "Four Step Theory" isItself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6Houses mentioned in bracket are strong signification. In my opinion, 4th step in "Four Step Theory" is a step of success which guides the astrologer to correct solution where analysis based on (1) planet (2) it's star lord and (3) it's sub lord fails as in present case.If you see signification of Jupiter (given above) it signifies house 8 through it's star lord Saturn. In four step theory house 8 is considered as supporting house for marriage. But even if this is not acceptable, kindly see it's signification in 4th step. Through Jupiter, the rashi swami of Ketu it signifies 2 as well as 11. And this signification is enough for giving marriage according to me. (Please note that Jupiter is lord of 2 and 11, but this is considered as weak signification because there are planets in Jupiter's star viz Sun and Mercury). It is therefore not necessary to link Jupiter to 7th house through Sun, the only significator of 7th house.Now, regarding the child birth. 5 CSL is Saturn and it's signification isItself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6It is worth noting that Saturn does not signify 2, 5 or 11 at planet, star or sub level, leading us to conclude that she will not be lucky to have a child. But again on 4th step it signifies 2 and 11 so we can boldly conclude that she is destined to have a child.Comments from seniors and stalwarts are welcome.Subhash Ektare@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Sir, Please find my answer in the attachment.> Dr.Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Ramani kadavasalramani@ ...> @gro ups.com> Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > Dear Dr.Rath,> > I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query.> Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, > except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much> confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion.> This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th,> while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini.> Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these.> > Regards,> > K.S.V.Ramani> - > Luther Rath > @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM> Re: first child birth [1 Attachment]> > Dear Sir, Please find the attachment.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM> first child birth> > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 25 June 2009 Dear Mr Ramani ji Could you please forward me Dr Rath’s analysis please. Regards Ravinder Grover On Behalf Of Ramani Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:10 AM Re: first child birth Dear Mr. Grover, Your analysis is quite convincing. Dr. Rath has also explained in a scientific way. In the first attachment to your query, his analysis was Jupiter aspected Sun. Juptr. was 'R' posited in Scorpio and the Sun was in Gemini. I viewed in normal astrologial aspect and not with scientific knowledge. Hope you are convinced with Dr,Rath's reply to my conusion. Pl. give me your views. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani ----- Original Message ----- Ravinder Grover Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:23 PM RE: first child birth 24 June 2009 Dear all Girl's details: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India I have casted the chart using Goravani software. 1. Sub Lord cusp(2,7,11) = Sat 2. Analyse Sat first, Sat in Star Mars-combust Sub Merc-combust a. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1-12) b. Mars signifies (4,4,3-10) c. Merc signifies (9,4,2-11,5-8) 3. I think signification of houses(3,8,5,11) can help to some extent in getting married 4. Mars and Merc are both combust, so they have given their energy to Sun and Sun signifies (9,4,2-11,7), implying Sun is the strong significator of (2,7,11) so that effect seem to go to Mars and Merc too. 5. Consider DBAS JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO at the time of Marriage on Monday the 21st August 2006 6. Dasa, Bhukti, Antra = JUp in Star Sat Sub VEn a. Jup signifies (8,9,1-12,2-11) è quite fruitful for marriage like scenario b. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1-12) but at the same time, SAT is the SUBLORD of CUSPS(2,5,7,8,11) c. Dasa Lord Jup has forced these houses to take action of which Sat is the Sub lord cusp d. Sookshma LORd mon in Star Mars combust (take Sun signification as as well) e. On the other hand Sun in Star Jup Sub Sat. Implying Sun will act as Jup role and give better effect during the Dasa of Jup (I guess) and Sun is the sole significator of house 7 too and also S(2,5,7,11) f. Sun and Jup are complimentary to each other g. Sun in Sub Sat and Sat is the SLC(2,5,7,8,11), hence Sun plays very important role I hope the above helps With Love Ravinder Grover On Behalf Of Luther Rath Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:51 PM Re: first child birth Respected Sir, I have been writing all the replies to your doubts. I am not sure if I can complete today. If I do complete I shall send immidiately. Reason for writing this message is that I am going to Calcutta today for about 6 days. If I do not sent today it will be late for 6 days. Hope you shall bear with it. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM Re: first child birth Dear Dr.Rath, I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath @gro ups.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. Dr. Rath balaanand53 <anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.com Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM first child birth Dear Members, It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child? Girl's details are as follows: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India Your response will be much appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 25 June 2009 Dear Shri Ramani ji 1. I have just read Dr Rath’s analysis Retro Jupiter’s aspect on Sun. He had explained scientifically. 2. In addition to what I have said earlier (please read below) 3. As per Naadi Astrology, when any planet is Retro, it is assumed in the previous house AS WELL. It means, the planet must be taken as occupying both houses, the one it is in and the one where it is Retro. 4. If we take Jup R in Libra as well then it would aspect Sat, Rahu, Mars, Merc, Sun. 5. As per Naadi Astrology, Mars is for husband which is with Rahu, MErc and Sun, so all become significators for marriage. I know this not KP, but I believe KP is the off shoot of Naadi Astrology and/or Naadi Astrology is the base for KP. This is my personal opinion only. 6. Jup definitely plays the important role in Marriage here. 7. Its can also be taken as JUp R in Libra aspecting planets in H(5). Libra is controlled by Ven and Ven in the Rasi of Sun. So Jup is aspecting Sun in two ways now. These are just my humble opinions but not the authority. Again, it’s always easy to postmortem the chart and come to some convincing argument or analysis once the event has taken place. But how many of us would have predicted Marriage during DBAS of jup, jup, jup and Mon, as the matter of fact. Regards Ravinder Grover On Behalf Of Ramani Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:10 AM Re: first child birth Dear Mr. Grover, Your analysis is quite convincing. Dr. Rath has also explained in a scientific way. In the first attachment to your query, his analysis was Jupiter aspected Sun. Juptr. was 'R' posited in Scorpio and the Sun was in Gemini. I viewed in normal astrologial aspect and not with scientific knowledge. Hope you are convinced with Dr,Rath's reply to my conusion. Pl. give me your views. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani ----- Original Message ----- Ravinder Grover Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:23 PM RE: first child birth 24 June 2009 Dear all Girl's details: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India I have casted the chart using Goravani software. 1. Sub Lord cusp(2,7,11) = Sat 2. Analyse Sat first, Sat in Star Mars-combust Sub Merc-combust a. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1-12) b. Mars signifies (4,4,3-10) c. Merc signifies (9,4,2-11,5-8) 3. I think signification of houses(3,8,5,11) can help to some extent in getting married 4. Mars and Merc are both combust, so they have given their energy to Sun and Sun signifies (9,4,2-11,7), implying Sun is the strong significator of (2,7,11) so that effect seem to go to Mars and Merc too. 5. Consider DBAS JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO at the time of Marriage on Monday the 21st August 2006 6. Dasa, Bhukti, Antra = JUp in Star Sat Sub VEn a. Jup signifies (8,9,1-12,2-11) è quite fruitful for marriage like scenario b. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1-12) but at the same time, SAT is the SUBLORD of CUSPS(2,5,7,8,11) c. Dasa Lord Jup has forced these houses to take action of which Sat is the Sub lord cusp d. Sookshma LORd mon in Star Mars combust (take Sun signification as as well) e. On the other hand Sun in Star Jup Sub Sat. Implying Sun will act as Jup role and give better effect during the Dasa of Jup (I guess) and Sun is the sole significator of house 7 too and also S(2,5,7,11) f. Sun and Jup are complimentary to each other g. Sun in Sub Sat and Sat is the SLC(2,5,7,8,11), hence Sun plays very important role I hope the above helps With Love Ravinder Grover On Behalf Of Luther Rath Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:51 PM Re: first child birth Respected Sir, I have been writing all the replies to your doubts. I am not sure if I can complete today. If I do complete I shall send immidiately. Reason for writing this message is that I am going to Calcutta today for about 6 days. If I do not sent today it will be late for 6 days. Hope you shall bear with it. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM Re: first child birth Dear Dr.Rath, I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath @gro ups.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. Dr. Rath balaanand53 <anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.com Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM first child birth Dear Members, It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child? Girl's details are as follows: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India Your response will be much appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Dear Subhashji, Is it your own working of 4 steps method for Jupiter Planet or it is of Sri Sunil Gondhalekar's SW of 4 steps extraction? My understanding of K.P.System is that unless a Planet is with self strength i.e no other planet is in its stas, Jupiter's 1st step is ' nil'. In 4th step, it is Ketu with self strength. As such Ketu will signify its own position of 10th and as he is in own star again 10th, and his Rasi Lord's signification i.e. Jupiter. This should be Jupiter's position in 9th with his star lord Saturn's position of 8th, (1-12). Ketu's signification of his Rasi lord's own houses 2-11 will be shared by 2 other planets viz.Sun and Mercury who are in the star of Jupiter. Kethu too will signify 2-11 as the houses are vacant. But the strength of three planets (Sun, Mer.,Ketu) are to be seen with reference to their sub lord as to who is more strong to give the result of 2-11. Merc. and Kethu only emerge for 2-11, as Sun in the Satn sub. who is not signfr. of 2-11, is out of question. In any case Jupiter's own signfn. of 2-11 is very feeble. He is strong for 8,1-12 and 10th only He does not signify 2-11, though 8th is only a supporting house. Other important houses for marriage significators of 2,7,11 are missing. Kindly review my above statement and offer your valuable comments. My doubt was Dr.Luther Rath's statement of Jupiter R in aspect with Sun as both of them are in opposition. For this Dr.Rath has furnished hi explanation very scientifically with maps. Kindly also let me have your opinion about this, as I going by astrological way of aspect and not scientifically, to which my knowlege is poor. Kindly correct me if I am wrong. With regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Subhash Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:12 PM Re: first child birth Respected Sir,I have been following this thread for quite some time. With due apologies for intruding, I would like to offer my comments worth 2 cents.Girl DOB 8 Jul 1983.....TOB 22:23......POB Chennai, TamilnaduThe marriage of the girl was celebrated in Jup-Jup-Jup DBA.The signification of Jupiter according to "Four Step Theory" isItself :-------------- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) It's Sub :------------ Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6Houses mentioned in bracket are strong signification. In my opinion, 4th step in "Four Step Theory" is a step of success which guides the astrologer to correct solution where analysis based on (1) planet (2) it's star lord and (3) it's sub lord fails as in present case.If you see signification of Jupiter (given above) it signifies house 8 through it's star lord Saturn. In four step theory house 8 is considered as supporting house for marriage. But even if this is not acceptable, kindly see it's signification in 4th step. Through Jupiter, the rashi swami of Ketu it signifies 2 as well as 11. And this signification is enough for giving marriage according to me. (Please note that Jupiter is lord of 2 and 11, but this is considered as weak signification because there are planets in Jupiter's star viz Sun and Mercury). It is therefore not necessary to link Jupiter to 7th house through Sun, the only significator of 7th house.Now, regarding the child birth. 5 CSL is Saturn and it's signification isItself :-------------- Saturn:- 8 1 12 It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 It's Sub :------------ Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6It is worth noting that Saturn does not signify 2, 5 or 11 at planet, star or sub level, leading us to conclude that she will not be lucky to have a child. But again on 4th step it signifies 2 and 11 so we can boldly conclude that she is destined to have a child.Comments from seniors and stalwarts are welcome.Subhash Ektare , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:>> Respected Sir, Please find my answer in the attachment.> Dr.Rath> > > > > ________________________________> Ramani kadavasalramani > Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > Dear Dr.Rath,> > I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query.> Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, > except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much> confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion.> This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th,> while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini.> Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these.> > Regards,> > K.S.V.Ramani> - > Luther Rath > @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM> Re: first child birth [1 Attachment]> > Dear Sir, Please find the attachment.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ________________________________> balaanand53 anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM> first child birth> > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Dear Friends, 1. Female, 8 Jul 1983, 22:23 IST, Chennai, 13N04, 80E17, NKPA 23-32-12, Asc Aq 23-54-34, Mars Dasa bal 4Y-10M-23D (KPAstro 3.1) 2. Marriage on 21-08-2006 (Jup-Jup-Jup-Mo DBAS) Ju(9,2-11) is in star Sa(8,1-12) and in sub Ve(6,4,9). Mo(4,6) is in star Ma(4,3-10) and in sub Ju(9,2-11). 2,11 are for marriage. 3. 5CSL Sa(8,1-12) is in star Ma(4,3-10) and sub Ve(6,4,9). But 2,5,7,8,11 houses are deemed to be connected by having the same cuspal sublord Sa. 2,5,11 are for children. Regards, tw , vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 wrote: > > Pranam all, > > Apologies for my late response.,, > > here I want to share some points: > > 1) In this horoscope saturn 2,5,7,11 csl in mars star venus sub.Mars l/o 3 in 4 and venus in > 6 , here no planet in venus star . so she is the strongest significator for 6.Some stalwarts in kp say that if a planet`s sub lord stars are unoccupied then we have to give strong preference to its occupation, need not to go further. i think its name is " golden rule " in K.P. If it is so then how saturn the sublord for 7th and jupiter the D-B-A lord in venus sub, resulted in marriage. > > > 2) As per 4 step venus in kethu connected with 2,11 houses. is clear ,, no doubt ., is the only explanation we can give, i use jh hora , as per this sw i find that on 21-08-2006 native is running the period of jup-jup-jup-mars, Mars in rahu star and merc sub and merc again in jupiter star. here we have to note that rahu a node is with merc,sun,mars so will power fully replace sun the only significator for 7th, thus completing the chain of significations. > > 3) with the same logic in 2 above we can say that saturn 5th csl promises . but here can we say that in saturn - venus Antharam jun 2009-nov 2009, May cause an abortion as venus in kethu star mars sub connected with 2,5,11 houses because kethu denotes jupiter and aspected by merc, and mars in 4 in rahu star connected with 5. but kethu strongly aspected by saturn and mars threatens some danger. Not only that saturn l/o 1, 12 in 8 is sublord for 8th also in mars star venus sub. mars in 4 venus tha badaka lord in 6 denotes some accident during journey, in the same period , dasa-bhukthi-anthara lords jupiter-saturn -venus are 4,8,12 cusp sublords respectively..... > > May be i am wrong, but just i rised my doubt > > learned members enlighten me > > Peace and Prosperity to all !! > > regards > > VGR > > > > --- On Wed, 24/6/09, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote: > > Subhash <subhash_ektare > Re: first child birth > > Wednesday, 24 June, 2009, 7:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir, > > I have been following this thread for quite some time. With due apologies for intruding, I would like to offer my comments worth 2 cents. > > Girl DOB 8 Jul 1983.....TOB 22:23......POB Chennai, Tamilnadu > The marriage of the girl was celebrated in Jup-Jup-Jup DBA. > The signification of Jupiter according to " Four Step Theory " is > > Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 > It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6 > > Houses mentioned in bracket are strong signification. > In my opinion, 4th step in " Four Step Theory " is a step of success which guides the astrologer to correct solution where analysis based on (1) planet (2) it's star lord and (3) it's sub lord fails as in present case. > > If you see signification of Jupiter (given above) it signifies house 8 through it's star lord Saturn. In four step theory house 8 is considered as supporting house for marriage. But even if this is not acceptable, kindly see it's signification in 4th step. Through Jupiter, the rashi swami of Ketu it signifies 2 as well as 11. And this signification is enough for giving marriage according to me. (Please note that Jupiter is lord of 2 and 11, but this is considered as weak signification because there are planets in Jupiter's star viz Sun and Mercury). It is therefore not necessary to link Jupiter to 7th house through Sun, the only significator of 7th house. > > Now, regarding the child birth. 5 CSL is Saturn and it's signification is > Itself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6 > > It is worth noting that Saturn does not signify 2, 5 or 11 at planet, star or sub level, leading us to conclude that she will not be lucky to have a child. But again on 4th step it signifies 2 and 11 so we can boldly conclude that she is destined to have a child. > > Comments from seniors and stalwarts are welcome. > > Subhash Ektare > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ..> wrote: > > > > Respected Sir, Please find my answer in the attachment. > > Dr.Rath > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Ramani kadavasalramani@ ... > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM > > Re: first child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Rath, > > > > I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. > > Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, > > except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much > > confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. > > This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, > > while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. > > Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. > > > > Regards, > > > > K.S.V.Ramani > > - > > Luther Rath > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM > > Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] > > > > Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > balaanand53 anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > > @gro ups.com > > Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM > > first child birth > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child? > > > > Girl's details are as follows: > > DOB:8th July 1983 > > TOB:22:23 hours IST > > POB:Madras India > > > > Your response will be much appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://cricket. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Dear Mr.Grover, The attachment of Dr.Luther is same which you have read his analysis scientificlly. Your explanation is clear & made me to understand how Jupiter R aspects Sun by his 5th aspect from Libra backward. Thank you, K.S.V.Ramani - Ravinder Grover Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:44 AM RE: first child birth 25 June 2009 Dear Shri Ramani ji 1. I have just read Dr Rath’s analysis Retro Jupiter’s aspect on Sun. He had explained scientifically. 2. In addition to what I have said earlier (please read below) 3. As per Naadi Astrology, when any planet is Retro, it is assumed in the previous house AS WELL. It means, the planet must be taken as occupying both houses, the one it is in and the one where it is Retro. 4. If we take Jup R in Libra as well then it would aspect Sat, Rahu, Mars, Merc, Sun. 5. As per Naadi Astrology, Mars is for husband which is with Rahu, MErc and Sun, so all become significators for marriage. I know this not KP, but I believe KP is the off shoot of Naadi Astrology and/or Naadi Astrology is the base for KP. This is my personal opinion only. 6. Jup definitely plays the important role in Marriage here. 7. Its can also be taken as JUp R in Libra aspecting planets in H(5). Libra is controlled by Ven and Ven in the Rasi of Sun. So Jup is aspecting Sun in two ways now. These are just my humble opinions but not the authority. Again, it’s always easy to postmortem the chart and come to some convincing argument or analysis once the event has taken place. But how many of us would have predicted Marriage during DBAS of jup, jup, jup and Mon, as the matter of fact. Regards Ravinder Grover On Behalf Of RamaniThursday, June 25, 2009 12:10 AM Subject: Re: first child birth Dear Mr. Grover, Your analysis is quite convincing. Dr. Rath has also explained in a scientific way. In the first attachment to your query, his analysis was Jupiter aspected Sun. Juptr. was 'R' posited in Scorpio and the Sun was in Gemini. I viewed in normal astrologial aspect and not with scientific knowledge. Hope you are convinced with Dr,Rath's reply to my conusion. Pl. give me your views. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Ravinder Grover Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:23 PM RE: first child birth 24 June 2009 Dear all Girl's details: DOB:8th July 1983TOB:22:23 hours ISTPOB:Madras India I have casted the chart using Goravani software. 1. Sub Lord cusp(2,7,11) = Sat 2. Analyse Sat first, Sat in Star Mars-combust Sub Merc-combust a. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1-12) b. Mars signifies (4,4,3-10) c. Merc signifies (9,4,2-11,5-8) 3. I think signification of houses(3,8,5,11) can help to some extent in getting married 4. Mars and Merc are both combust, so they have given their energy to Sun and Sun signifies (9,4,2-11,7), implying Sun is the strong significator of (2,7,11) so that effect seem to go to Mars and Merc too. 5. Consider DBAS JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO at the time of Marriage on Monday the 21st August 2006 6. Dasa, Bhukti, Antra = JUp in Star Sat Sub VEn a. Jup signifies (8,9,1-12,2-11) è quite fruitful for marriage like scenario b. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1-12) but at the same time, SAT is the SUBLORD of CUSPS(2,5,7,8,11) c. Dasa Lord Jup has forced these houses to take action of which Sat is the Sub lord cusp d. Sookshma LORd mon in Star Mars combust (take Sun signification as as well) e. On the other hand Sun in Star Jup Sub Sat. Implying Sun will act as Jup role and give better effect during the Dasa of Jup (I guess) and Sun is the sole significator of house 7 too and also S(2,5,7,11) f. Sun and Jup are complimentary to each other g. Sun in Sub Sat and Sat is the SLC(2,5,7,8,11), hence Sun plays very important role I hope the above helps With Love Ravinder Grover On Behalf Of Luther RathWednesday, June 24, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: Re: first child birth Respected Sir, I have been writing all the replies to your doubts. I am not sure if I can complete today. If I do complete I shall send immidiately. Reason for writing this message is that I am going to Calcutta today for about 6 days. If I do not sent today it will be late for 6 days. Hope you shall bear with it. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PMRe: first child birth Dear Dr.Rath, I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath @gro ups.com Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. Dr. Rath balaanand53 <anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comWednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM first child birth Dear Members,It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?Girl's details are as follows:DOB:8th July 1983TOB:22:23 hours ISTPOB:Madras IndiaYour response will be much appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Hello Dr.Rath, My apologies for this belated reply. As you rightly pointed out, the horoscope is very challenging. I did advise the girl's mother in 2005 that the girl will get married in August 2006. Now both mother and the girl are worried about the child birth. I have received some replies from members and tend to adjust the time of birth so that Jup will be the sub lord of both 7th & 5th cusps.Rather than looking at the ruling planets at the time of query I would like to rectify the time of birth based on an event where the girl last her grand father on 3rd September 2003. Unfortunately, I could not receive your analysis of this girl. will appreciate if you could kindly forward your analysis.My full name is Anand Bala but every one calls me Bala as it is my given name and Anand is my father's name. best regards.BalaOn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Dear Anandji, I assume you are Anand by name. If wrong I am sorry. Did you get any reply from any body to your message? If so kindly inform me. The horoscope is definitely a challange for us. I have been swimming in it for quite some time. I request plesse reply me. With regards. Dr. Rath balaanand53 <anandbala9 Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM first child birth Dear Members,It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child? Girl's details are as follows:DOB:8th July 1983TOB:22:23 hours ISTPOB:Madras IndiaYour response will be much appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Dear Ramani ji, “Four Step Theory†is developed by Shri Sunil Gondhalekar. He is not the developer of any software. The software I use (and also Shri Sunil ji uses) is Astro-Kundali developed by Dr. Karekar. The signification of Jupiter as given by this software is authentic as far as 4 step theory is concerned. This signification of Jupiter is not my own working, it is as per rules of 4 step theory. I agree with you that Jupiter’s first step shall be “Nilâ€. Here little explanation is needed for the extract from the software. Houses shown in brackets are strongly signified and those not in brackets are weak significators. As per 4 step theory, only strong significators are empowered to give results. Weak significators, even though shown, are not empowered to give results. Thus they are equivalent to “Nilâ€. That is the way of representation by the s/w developer Dr. Karekar. In KP, planet is said to have self-strength when it is in its own star or if there are no planets in any of the stars owned by it. I fully agree with this. Another basic rule as per KP is that a planet gives result of the house occupied by its star lord (even if star lord do not have self-strength) and the house(s) owned by this star lord if unoccupied (even if star lord do not have self-strength). Therefore in this case though Jupiter is not having self strength, it is empowered to give results of houses 9 (by occupation) 2 and 11 (owned by Jupiter and unoccupied) when it appears as a star lord. Here Jupiter is represented by self-strong Ketu at 4th step (star of sub Ven) and hence gets full strength for giving results of these houses. This is what my understanding about KP and “Four Step Theory†is. Shri. Gondhalekar ji and other senior members may correct me if I am wrong. Leaving aside this controversy, all members will agree that Jupiter is “D Grade†significator of houses 2 and 11 as an owner. Are “D Grade†significators barred from giving results ? As far as I know they are not barred. So what is the point in discussion about whether Jupiter is significator of houses of marriage i.e. 2, 7 and 11. Dr. Rath has given nice and scientific explanation of his views. With due apologies to him I beg to differ with his views. Reasons are (1) there is no aspect between Sun and Jupiter (2) Just retrogression of Jupiter cannot be taken as aspect. (3) In view of my opinion as mentioned above I do not find any necessity to somehow connect Jupiter to Sun through aspect or otherwise. I hope I have made my point clear. Subhash EktareRamani <kadavasalramani Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:12:50 PMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Subhashji, Is it your own working of 4 steps method for Jupiter Planet or it is of Sri Sunil Gondhalekar' s SW of 4 steps extraction? My understanding of K.P.System is that unless a Planet is with self strength i.e no other planet is in its stas, Jupiter's 1st step is ' nil'. In 4th step, it is Ketu with self strength. As such Ketu will signify its own position of 10th and as he is in own star again 10th, and his Rasi Lord's signification i.e. Jupiter. This should be Jupiter's position in 9th with his star lord Saturn's position of 8th, (1-12). Ketu's signification of his Rasi lord's own houses 2-11 will be shared by 2 other planets viz.Sun and Mercury who are in the star of Jupiter. Kethu too will signify 2-11 as the houses are vacant. But the strength of three planets (Sun, Mer.,Ketu) are to be seen with reference to their sub lord as to who is more strong to give the result of 2-11. Merc. and Kethu only emerge for 2-11, as Sun in the Satn sub. who is not signfr. of 2-11, is out of question. In any case Jupiter's own signfn. of 2-11 is very feeble. He is strong for 8,1-12 and 10th only He does not signify 2-11, though 8th is only a supporting house. Other important houses for marriage significators of 2,7,11 are missing. Kindly review my above statement and offer your valuable comments. My doubt was Dr.Luther Rath's statement of Jupiter R in aspect with Sun as both of them are in opposition. For this Dr.Rath has furnished hi explanation very scientifically with maps. Kindly also let me have your opinion about this, as I going by astrological way of aspect and not scientifically, to which my knowlege is poor. Kindly correct me if I am wrong. With regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Subhash @gro ups.com Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:12 PM Re: first child birth Respected Sir,I have been following this thread for quite some time. With due apologies for intruding, I would like to offer my comments worth 2 cents.Girl DOB 8 Jul 1983.....TOB 22:23......POB Chennai, TamilnaduThe marriage of the girl was celebrated in Jup-Jup-Jup DBA.The signification of Jupiter according to "Four Step Theory" isItself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6Houses mentioned in bracket are strong signification. In my opinion, 4th step in "Four Step Theory" is a step of success which guides the astrologer to correct solution where analysis based on (1) planet (2) it's star lord and (3) it's sub lord fails as in present case.If you see signification of Jupiter (given above) it signifies house 8 through it's star lord Saturn. In four step theory house 8 is considered as supporting house for marriage. But even if this is not acceptable, kindly see it's signification in 4th step. Through Jupiter, the rashi swami of Ketu it signifies 2 as well as 11. And this signification is enough for giving marriage according to me. (Please note that Jupiter is lord of 2 and 11, but this is considered as weak signification because there are planets in Jupiter's star viz Sun and Mercury). It is therefore not necessary to link Jupiter to 7th house through Sun, the only significator of 7th house.Now, regarding the child birth. 5 CSL is Saturn and it's signification isItself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6It is worth noting that Saturn does not signify 2, 5 or 11 at planet, star or sub level, leading us to conclude that she will not be lucky to have a child. But again on 4th step it signifies 2 and 11 so we can boldly conclude that she is destined to have a child.Comments from seniors and stalwarts are welcome.Subhash Ektare@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Sir, Please find my answer in the attachment.> Dr.Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Ramani kadavasalramani@ ...> @gro ups.com> Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > Dear Dr.Rath,> > I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query.> Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, > except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much> confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion.> This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th,> while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini.> Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these.> > Regards,> > K.S.V.Ramani> - > Luther Rath > @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM> Re: first child birth [1 Attachment]> > Dear Sir, Please find the attachment.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM> first child birth> > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Dear Friends, Below is the 4 Step primary significators print-out of KPAstro 3.1 according to the 4 Step lecture notes rules and format-- for Female, 8 Jul 1983, 22:23 IST, Chennai, 13N04, 80E17, NKPA 23-32-12, Asc Aq 23-54-34, Mars Dasa bal 4Y-10M-23D. Regards, tw 4 Step Significators Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 12 Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Su, Mo, Me, Ve Planets in own stars (*): Ke Su conj 5 Mo conj 4 Me conj 5 Su conj Me Ra conj Mo Su aspects 11 Mo aspects 10 Me aspects 11 Planet Ke*: 10; Sgl Ju(9, 2-11) Starlord of Ke is Ke*: 10; Sgl Ju(9, 2-11) Sublord of Ke is Ke*: 10; Sgl Ju(9, 2-11) Starlord of Ke is Ke*: 10; Sgl Ju(9, 2-11) Planet Ve+: 6 Starlord of Ve is Ke*: 10; Sgl Ju(9, 2-11) Sublord of Ve is Ma: Starlord of Ma is Ra: 4; Sgl Me(4, 5, Cnj Su[4, 7, Asp 11, Cnj 5], Asp 11, Cnj 5); Stl Ma(4, 3); Cnj Mo(4, Asp 10, Cnj 4) Planet Su+: 4; 7; Cnj Me(4, 5, Asp 11, Cnj 5); Asp 11; Cnj 5 Starlord of Su is Ju: 9; 2-11 Sublord of Su is Sa: Starlord of Sa is Ma: 4; 3 Planet Mo+: 4; Asp 10; Cnj 4 Starlord of Mo is Ma: 4; 3 Sublord of Mo is Ju: Starlord of Ju is Sa: 8; 1-12 Planet Ma: Starlord of Ma is Ra: 4; Sgl Me(4, 5, Cnj Su[4, 7, Asp 11, Cnj 5], Asp 11, Cnj 5); Stl Ma(4, 3); Cnj Mo(4, Asp 10, Cnj 4) Sublord of Ma is Me+: 4; 5; Cnj Su(4, 7, Asp 11, Cnj 5); Asp 11; Cnj 5 Starlord of Me is Ju: 9; 2-11 Planet Ra: Starlord of Ra is Ma: 4; 3 Sublord of Ra is Me+: 4; 5; Cnj Su(4, 7, Asp 11, Cnj 5); Asp 11; Cnj 5 Starlord of Me is Ju: 9; 2-11 Planet Ju: Starlord of Ju is Sa: 8; 1-12 Sublord of Ju is Ve+: 6 Starlord of Ve is Ke*: 10; Sgl Ju(9, 2-11) Planet Sa: Starlord of Sa is Ma: 4; 3 Sublord of Sa is Ve+: 6 Starlord of Ve is Ke*: 10; Sgl Ju(9, 2-11) Planet Me+: 4; 5; Cnj Su(4, 7, Asp 11, Cnj 5); Asp 11; Cnj 5 Starlord of Me is Ju: 9; 2-11 Sublord of Me is Ju: Starlord of Ju is Sa: 8; 1-12 , " Ramani " <kadavasalramani wrote: > > Dear Subhashji, > > Is it your own working of 4 steps method for Jupiter Planet or it is of Sri Sunil Gondhalekar's SW of 4 steps extraction? My understanding of K.P.System is that > unless a Planet is with self strength i.e no other planet is in its stas, Jupiter's 1st step is ' nil'. In 4th step, it is > Ketu with self strength. As such Ketu will signify its own position of 10th and as he is in own star again 10th, > and his Rasi Lord's signification i.e. Jupiter. This should be Jupiter's position in 9th with his star lord Saturn's position of 8th, (1-12). Ketu's signification of his Rasi lord's own houses 2-11 will be shared by 2 other planets viz.Sun and Mercury who are in the star of Jupiter. > Kethu too will signify 2-11 as the houses are vacant. But the strength of three planets (Sun, Mer.,Ketu) are to be > seen with reference to their sub lord as to who is more > strong to give the result of 2-11. Merc. and Kethu only > emerge for 2-11, as Sun in the Satn sub. who is not signfr. of 2-11, is out of question. In any case Jupiter's own signfn. of 2-11 is very feeble. He is strong for 8,1-12 and 10th only He does not signify 2-11, though 8th is only a supporting house. Other important houses for marriage significators of 2,7,11 are missing. Kindly review > my above statement and offer your valuable comments. > My doubt was Dr.Luther Rath's statement of Jupiter R in aspect with Sun as both of them are in opposition. For > this Dr.Rath has furnished hi explanation very scientifically with maps. Kindly also let me have your > opinion about this, as I going by astrological way of aspect and not scientifically, to which my knowlege is poor. Kindly correct me if I am wrong. > > With regards, > > K.S.V.Ramani > - > Subhash > > Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:12 PM > Re: first child birth > > > > > > Respected Sir, > > I have been following this thread for quite some time. With due apologies for intruding, I would like to offer my comments worth 2 cents. > > Girl DOB 8 Jul 1983.....TOB 22:23......POB Chennai, Tamilnadu > The marriage of the girl was celebrated in Jup-Jup-Jup DBA. > The signification of Jupiter according to " Four Step Theory " is > > Itself :-------------- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 > It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) > It's Sub :------------ Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6 > > Houses mentioned in bracket are strong signification. > In my opinion, 4th step in " Four Step Theory " is a step of success which guides the astrologer to correct solution where analysis based on (1) planet (2) it's star lord and (3) it's sub lord fails as in present case. > > If you see signification of Jupiter (given above) it signifies house 8 through it's star lord Saturn. In four step theory house 8 is considered as supporting house for marriage. But even if this is not acceptable, kindly see it's signification in 4th step. Through Jupiter, the rashi swami of Ketu it signifies 2 as well as 11. And this signification is enough for giving marriage according to me. (Please note that Jupiter is lord of 2 and 11, but this is considered as weak signification because there are planets in Jupiter's star viz Sun and Mercury). It is therefore not necessary to link Jupiter to 7th house through Sun, the only significator of 7th house. > > Now, regarding the child birth. 5 CSL is Saturn and it's signification is > Itself :-------------- Saturn:- 8 1 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 > It's Sub :------------ Venus:- (6) 4 9 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6 > > It is worth noting that Saturn does not signify 2, 5 or 11 at planet, star or sub level, leading us to conclude that she will not be lucky to have a child. But again on 4th step it signifies 2 and 11 so we can boldly conclude that she is destined to have a child. > > Comments from seniors and stalwarts are welcome. > > Subhash Ektare > > > > , Luther Rath <rathluther@> wrote: > > > > Respected Sir, Please find my answer in the attachment. > > Dr.Rath > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Ramani kadavasalramani@ > > > > Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM > > Re: first child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Rath, > > > > I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. > > Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, > > except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much > > confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. > > This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, > > while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. > > Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. > > > > Regards, > > > > K.S.V.Ramani > > - > > Luther Rath > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM > > Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] > > > > Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > balaanand53 anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > > @gro ups.com > > Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM > > first child birth > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child? > > > > Girl's details are as follows: > > DOB:8th July 1983 > > TOB:22:23 hours IST > > POB:Madras India > > > > Your response will be much appreciated. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 26, 2009  Dear Subhashji, I am thankful for your promp reply and detailed clarification. I am far junior to you in experience. Pl. excuse me if I have exceeded my limit. As regards Dro Luther's scientific way of explanation for the aspect, your opinion is the same with me. In my humble opinion, D grade signification will come, in only if A. B. C significations are vacant. D grade significator may give its result not as a strong significator but it may be a supporting planet. Will you kindly give me reference of D signficator giving strong results? Thanks & Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Subhash Ektare Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:48 PM Re: Re: first child birth Dear Ramani ji, “Four Step Theory†is developed by Shri Sunil Gondhalekar. He is not the developer of any software. The software I use (and also Shri Sunil ji uses) is Astro-Kundali developed by Dr. Karekar. The signification of Jupiter as given by this software is authentic as far as 4 step theory is concerned. This signification of Jupiter is not my own working, it is as per rules of 4 step theory. I agree with you that Jupiter’s first step shall be “Nilâ€. Here little explanation is needed for the extract from the software. Houses shown in brackets are strongly signified and those not in brackets are weak significators. As per 4 step theory, only strong significators are empowered to give results. Weak significators, even though shown, are not empowered to give results. Thus they are equivalent to “Nilâ€. That is the way of representation by the s/w developer Dr. Karekar. In KP, planet is said to have self-strength when it is in its own star or if there are no planets in any of the stars owned by it. I fully agree with this. Another basic rule as per KP is that a planet gives result of the house occupied by its star lord (even if star lord do not have self-strength) and the house(s) owned by this star lord if unoccupied (even if star lord do not have self-strength). Therefore in this case though Jupiter is not having self strength, it is empowered to give results of houses 9 (by occupation) 2 and 11 (owned by Jupiter and unoccupied) when it appears as a star lord. Here Jupiter is represented by self-strong Ketu at 4th step (star of sub Ven) and hence gets full strength for giving results of these houses. This is what my understanding about KP and “Four Step Theory†is. Shri. Gondhalekar ji and other senior members may correct me if I am wrong. Leaving aside this controversy, all members will agree that Jupiter is “D Grade†significator of houses 2 and 11 as an owner. Are “D Grade†significators barred from giving results ? As far as I know they are not barred. So what is the point in discussion about whether Jupiter is significator of houses of marriage i.e. 2, 7 and 11. Dr. Rath has given nice and scientific explanation of his views. With due apologies to him I beg to differ with his views. Reasons are (1) there is no aspect between Sun and Jupiter (2) Just retrogression of Jupiter cannot be taken as aspect. (3) In view of my opinion as mentioned above I do not find any necessity to somehow connect Jupiter to Sun through aspect or otherwise. I hope I have made my point clear. Subhash Ektare Ramani <kadavasalramani > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:12:50 PMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Subhashji, Is it your own working of 4 steps method for Jupiter Planet or it is of Sri Sunil Gondhalekar' s SW of 4 steps extraction? My understanding of K.P.System is that unless a Planet is with self strength i.e no other planet is in its stas, Jupiter's 1st step is ' nil'. In 4th step, it is Ketu with self strength. As such Ketu will signify its own position of 10th and as he is in own star again 10th, and his Rasi Lord's signification i.e. Jupiter. This should be Jupiter's position in 9th with his star lord Saturn's position of 8th, (1-12). Ketu's signification of his Rasi lord's own houses 2-11 will be shared by 2 other planets viz.Sun and Mercury who are in the star of Jupiter. Kethu too will signify 2-11 as the houses are vacant. But the strength of three planets (Sun, Mer.,Ketu) are to be seen with reference to their sub lord as to who is more strong to give the result of 2-11. Merc. and Kethu only emerge for 2-11, as Sun in the Satn sub. who is not signfr. of 2-11, is out of question. In any case Jupiter's own signfn. of 2-11 is very feeble. He is strong for 8,1-12 and 10th only He does not signify 2-11, though 8th is only a supporting house. Other important houses for marriage significators of 2,7,11 are missing. Kindly review my above statement and offer your valuable comments. My doubt was Dr.Luther Rath's statement of Jupiter R in aspect with Sun as both of them are in opposition. For this Dr.Rath has furnished hi explanation very scientifically with maps. Kindly also let me have your opinion about this, as I going by astrological way of aspect and not scientifically, to which my knowlege is poor. Kindly correct me if I am wrong. With regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Subhash @gro ups.com Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:12 PM Re: first child birth Respected Sir,I have been following this thread for quite some time. With due apologies for intruding, I would like to offer my comments worth 2 cents.Girl DOB 8 Jul 1983.....TOB 22:23......POB Chennai, TamilnaduThe marriage of the girl was celebrated in Jup-Jup-Jup DBA.The signification of Jupiter according to "Four Step Theory" isItself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6Houses mentioned in bracket are strong signification. In my opinion, 4th step in "Four Step Theory" is a step of success which guides the astrologer to correct solution where analysis based on (1) planet (2) it's star lord and (3) it's sub lord fails as in present case.If you see signification of Jupiter (given above) it signifies house 8 through it's star lord Saturn. In four step theory house 8 is considered as supporting house for marriage. But even if this is not acceptable, kindly see it's signification in 4th step. Through Jupiter, the rashi swami of Ketu it signifies 2 as well as 11. And this signification is enough for giving marriage according to me. (Please note that Jupiter is lord of 2 and 11, but this is considered as weak signification because there are planets in Jupiter's star viz Sun and Mercury). It is therefore not necessary to link Jupiter to 7th house through Sun, the only significator of 7th house.Now, regarding the child birth. 5 CSL is Saturn and it's signification isItself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6It is worth noting that Saturn does not signify 2, 5 or 11 at planet, star or sub level, leading us to conclude that she will not be lucky to have a child. But again on 4th step it signifies 2 and 11 so we can boldly conclude that she is destined to have a child.Comments from seniors and stalwarts are welcome.Subhash Ektare@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Sir, Please find my answer in the attachment.> Dr.Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Ramani kadavasalramani@ ...> @gro ups.com> Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > Dear Dr.Rath,> > I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query.> Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, > except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much> confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion.> This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th,> while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini.> Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these.> > Regards,> > K.S.V.Ramani> - > Luther Rath > @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM> Re: first child birth [1 Attachment]> > Dear Sir, Please find the attachment.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM> first child birth> > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
