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February 4, 2009

Dear Bohra ji,Can you please take G. Singh ji's chart as an example and explain what you mean by using sub and sub-sub in such situation? Also when we should use sub and sub-sub? Only when we have many planets in one house or always? Would appreicaite if you can take a chart as an example to explain your point.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:07 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote:

Dear Punit jee,

In my view when somany planets signifying a house then we must look

for sub lord or sub-sub lord for final analysis that will give the

real picture.

As Mr.Sing have 9 planets signifying 11 house but sub and sub-sub lord

are different.When a particular Dasa period running it will analyse by

sub theory and he will get the result as per sub lord or by sub-sub

lord.In traditional Astrology it will also analyse by other

divisions.In general by only Rahi-chart predication will be wrong.

Kp system is best tool to analyse the chart as like Mr.Sing or some

common chart with same placing but results are very different as like

born child with difference of few minutes ,as twins .

We must know the traditional astrology for right conclusion as like

" Bhavatm-Bhavam " theory.11th house is 8 from 4th house,6th from 6th

house it will give some negative result,12th from 12th house.So these

all give us some more help to analyse.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Recent posts in this thread, points towards a confusion in analysis

of the

> charts where we have all the planets (or many planets) signifying a

single

> house. Some of the quotes are -

>

> Raichur ji said, " you are the most fortunate man "

> Sujata ji said, " why Bhaskar never met with an accident/ illhelath "

> Sunil ji said " This would naturally mean that no matter what dasha

or bhukti

> the native is running, there will be improvement in his monetary

situation. "

>

> I believe that we are missing one very fundamental points in birth chart

> analysis and that is the reason there seems some confusion. The

point that a

> *person will get what is promised in his chart. *Not everybody get

results

> of a house signified by a planets. For example, suppose I have all

planets

> signifying 12th house, I may get foreign travel but not

hospitalization or

> vice-versa in my lifetime. *As per KP, to figure out what is

promised for a

> house and what is not, we need to check the sub-lord of the cusp of that

> house. *In above example, if 12th cuspal sub lord is signifying 1st

and 6th,

> one may get hospitalization. If 12th cuspal sub lord signifying 3rd,

9th,

> 12th, he may get foreign travels etc. If 12th cuspal sublord

signifying 1st,

> 3rd, 6th, 9th, 12th etc. he may get both hospitalization and foreign

travel.

> It depends. We should also see the nature of the sub lord to get a

better

> idea.

>

> Let us take example of Mr. G. Singh's chart. He has all the nine planets

> signifying 11th house. 11th house tells us about matters related to

" Profit

> or gain, income, all kinds of receipts, acquisition, gain, desire,

passion,

> fulfillment of one's desire, wealth or riches, brothers and sisters

- elder

> one, friends " Will he get all? In my opinion, he will get everything

that is

> promised in his chart. In his chart, 11th house sub lord is Moon

signifying

> 11, 10, 3, 8, and 5. 5th house is negating quite a few benefits of 11th

> house e.g. gain from competition/ others etc. 10th house is also

negating

> some of the benefits of 11th house by being 12th to 11th house. 8th

house is

> not good generally for quite a few matters including income and

gains. It

> definately tells use that the things would not have come as easy to

his as

> it looks from the high level view of the chart. 5th house and 8th house

> suggests that he is fortunate in relationships and love affairs, as

he told

> us. *So to reiterate my point again - one gets what is promised in the

> chart. *

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:50 AM, hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote:

>

> > Hello Bhaskar,

> >

> > Let me give you my brief thoughts as I have very aggressive

> > schedule.

> >

> > Rahu in your chart is in 12th house and most of your planets are

> > connected with Rahu. But understand Rahu is in your Lagna lord Sun's

> > sign. Sun the ruler of 1st house is in 10th house. Rahu in Leo is

> > stronger than sun to give 1st house and 10th house results. So

> > planets in rahu's nakshtra are giving you 10th house and 1st house

> > results more predominantly and your health is okay. Alot depends on

> > the analysis of the house cusp lords, but it is fruitful only if

> > your birth time is very accurate. Also even if a planet is in 12th

> > house but if it is close to the 1st house cusp, it will end up

> > giving 1st house results instead of 12th house results. Now you tell

> > me how accurate your birth time is as I don't have time for your BTR.

> >

> > But be careful in Rahu / Mars period especially if Rahu is

> > transiting in Mars nakshatra at that time because these two planets

> > can do big harm, and then you will remember me.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> > <%40>,

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Singhji,

> > >

> > > This is KP learnt and applied in bits, but not complete.

> > >

> > > 1) Can you answer why is it , that though I have all planets

> > signifying

> > > 6th and 12th house, due to their being placed in Constellation of

> > Nodes,

> > > and the Nodes occupy 6/12 axis, yet why have I never been admitted

> > in a

> > > hospital or face dany health problems of any worry?

> > >

> > > 2) Rahu has actually done very good for me. I do not accept it as a

> > > Badhak just because you think it is placed with the badhak ? Can

> > you

> > > explain the astrological reason for it being a Badhaka ?

> > >

> > > 3) Does Jupiter does not signify any other houses ?

> > >

> > > 4) Where are the roles of the sublords of other planets and Cusps ?

> > >

> > > 5) You write that Sun, Mercury, Ketu, Mars, rahu, jupiter, Moon

> > are

> > > significators of 12th house. But dont they signify other houses

> > too ?

> > >

> > > 6) You write that " You should be careful when the signicators of

> > 6th,

> > > 8th, 12th, and badhaka will act together in dasha, bhukti and

> > anthras.

> > > " This is not just for me, but for everybody living in this world .

> > >

> > > 7) By the way, venus has given me the most pleasures in Life

> > during its

> > > dasha .

> > >

> > > Can you please explain me astrologically ( KP ) why none of your

> > points

> > > match with actual hapennings in my Life ?

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > <%40>,

> > " hbk1hbk_2100 " <hbk1hbk_2100@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > 1. You have Moon, Mars, Rahu in the constellation of Ketu in 6th

> > > > house.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Jupiter is the strong significator of 8th house as there is no

> > > > planet in jupiter's nakshatra, and there is no occupant in eighth

> > > > house.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Sun, Mercury, Ketu, Mars, rahu, jupiter, Moon are

> > significators of

> > > > 12th house.

> > > >

> > > > 4. For Leo ascendant Mars is the badhaka planet as it rules the

> > 9th

> > > > house. Rahu in conjunction with Mars will be a strong badhaka

> > planet.

> > > >

> > > > Most of your planets are in the subs of rahu. I did not get into

> > > > further details as it will take too much of my time.

> > > >

> > > > You should be careful when the signicators of 6th, 8th, 12th, and

> > > > badhaka will act together in dasha, bhukti and anthras.

> > > >

> > > > Rahu and Venus are very strong badhaka planets for you. Venus is

> > > > occupant of 9th house and no planet in its constellation.

> > > >

> > > > You should be very careful when rahu, venus, will act with

> > > > significators of 8th house Jupiter and the 12th house

> > significators

> > > > mentioned above.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > G. Singh

> > > >

> > > > Strong significators:

> > > >

> > > > 1 SAT, VENUS

> > > > 2. MERCURY

> > > > 3. VENUS

> > > > 4. JUPITER, MARS

> > > > 5. JUPITER, SAT

> > > > 6. MOON, MARS, RAHU, SAT, KETU

> > > > 7. SAT

> > > > 8. JUPITER

> > > > 9. VENUS, MARS

> > > > 10. VENUS, SAT, MERCURY, VENUS

> > > > 11. MERCURY

> > > > 12. SUN, MERCURY, KETU, MARS, JUPITER

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> > " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Singh,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not many who could read my Horoscope correctly, but

> > just 2

> > > > > astrologers, one is KP and another is Traditional. This is

> > because

> > > > most

> > > > > of the planets are in the constellations of the Nodes. But if

> > you

> > > > wish

> > > > > you may try.

> > > > >

> > > > > 28th June 1961 10.14 am (Recorded) 16.45N 81.09E Eluru ( near

> > > > > Vijaywada,Andhra).

> > > > >

> > > > > You may also observe the 6th house appearing almost every

> > where.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

<%40>,

> > " hbk1hbk_2100 "

> > <hbk1hbk_2100@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could you please provide me with your birth data.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > G. Singh

> > > > > >

<%40>,

> > " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Singh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have 7 Planets signifying the 12th house. But never been

> > > > admitted

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > the hospital since last 48 years by Lord Shri Krishnas

> > Grace.

> > > > See

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > are not pure cases of all planets signifying one particular

> > > > house (

> > > > > > > Cusp) . There is always a mixture of other planets too,

> > > > therefore

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > need not get panicky or too elated either in cases where

> > in such

> > > > > > cases

> > > > > > > one finds prominent evil Houses figuring or Benefic houses

> > > > figuring

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the calculations respectively.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Unless its a pure case.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

<%40>,

> > " hbk1hbk_2100 "

> > > > <hbk1hbk_2100@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have all nine planets signifying 11th house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > G. Singh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please give the chart details of those charts where

> > you have

> > > > > > > > found, all

> > > > > > > > > nine planets signifying one house .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is not possible, and very much rare and happens

> > maybe

> > > > just

> > > > > > > > once in

> > > > > > > > > many decades or so ( For instance birth on 5th Feb 1962

> > > > with 7

> > > > > > > > Planets

> > > > > > > > > occupying same sign), and that also as per Kp this may

> > not

> > > > > > happen,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > as per Traditional this signification may be there in

> > such

> > > > rare

> > > > > > > > example.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do not think you have many such examples to produce,

> > and

> > > > even

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have a few, learning of Kp is not to be done with such

> > rare

> > > > > > example

> > > > > > > > > charts. You have hundreds of illustrated charts in KP

> > > > Readers,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > Guide books on Kp, so why must there be the need to

> > study

> > > > such

> > > > > > rare

> > > > > > > > > charts " to learn KP system effectively " .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > " sudhagarceg "

> > > > <sudhagarceg@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > > Am new to kp system and eagerly learning student. In

> > some

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > found that all the nine planets signifies a house..

> > FOr

> > > > > > example

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > nine planets signifies 8th house, in another chart

> > all

> > > > the 9

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > signifies 11 house. what does it mean?

> > > > > > > > > > In first case (all 9 => 8th house)will get accidents

> > in

> > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > periods?

> > > > > > > > > > In second case (all 9=>11th house) will get luck and

> > > > comfort

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > all the periods?

> > > > > > > > > > Please clear my doubts in order to learn kp syetem

> > > > > > effectively.

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you sirs.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 4, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji,Generally I look into the possibility if accidents through 4,8,12 and Mars and/or Rahu connected. In my experience,when the DBA and transit are happening with the connection of the above, the accidents happen to a native.

Hope the discussion pushed into a mental depression on these days, it can be stopped discussing on the same,Regarding the Jupiter Bukthi, give me some time if I can come back with some analysis once I reach my system.

Thanks and RegardsAdith On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Dear Adithji,

I thank you for bringing in a very educative subject on board, related to accidents and putting your presentation on same.// As per the points given by Sri.Kudandhai nathan (on Trigons)we have to consider the sub of the the houses 4,8,12 for accidents.

When any one of the sublord of these 3 is transitting in the sign where all these 3 sublords are connected ( vide signlord,stralord and sublord), and if the Das Bukthi and Andra of these Sublords connected are running and when Sun and Moon and Asc.,are transitting in that senstive points , the accident will happen to a native. If the Bhadaka and Maraka are connected along with these, the incident will end in danger to the native. //

But how does one get to the actual dates or nearabout dates with so much extensive matching of all the pointers ? This seems rather difficult. I suppose I would began by checking what the StarLord of any DashaLord has to offer, and then move on to further pointers suggested by you.

// But if the 1,5,9 sub lords are connected in any sign of the chart, the native will escape from such accidents.

In your case, the 1,5,9 sublords are Sun,Moon and Sun. These sensitive link can be seen in Leo, Sun sign, Sun Star and Moon sub. This is good to save you.//

I am happy now. All this talk on my chart on ill health and accidents has really brought me depression mentally, since last 2-3 days. Whatever faith one may have on his Horoscope or God, after all we are humans and mortals, the fear factor is always present. I hope they also tell me when will I become wealthy enough to make my family happy, and become a better astrologer.

// If we look at the 4,8,12 sub lords, surprisingly all the three happen to be Jupiter. No planet is in Jupiter.So the unfavorable link should involve in Jupiter sign,jupiter star and jupiter sub. But this link is not present in any sign. For example , if we take Pisces, Jupiter sign lord and Jupiter star lord are ok, but jupiter sub is not there. But as Jupiter is more stronger , i doubt if Jupiter sign and jupiter star lord itslef is enough to create unfovarable result? //

When I change my birth timings to 10.15am, the SubLord of 4th changes to Mercury. What happens in this case ?

// Moreover, The running Dasa .Bukthi must link to these. So the next Dasa Jupiter may cause such event?

The running Dasa Rahu is closely conjuncted with Mars . also Rahu is the sublord of Jupiter. So when Rahu Dasa, Jupiter Bukthi, when Jupiter transits in Jupiter star and also the sun,moon and lagna are transiting in such sensitive point, may it lead to Accidents? //

Also we can see Jupiter is lord of 5 and in 5 . The star lord of Jupiter Moon is the sub lord of 5th cusp, so it may help you escape such bad incidents.

(as I am out of reach to my software ,as I am out , i could not go through well the transit movements and other points. but i took a copy of your chart in hand).

All the above reasons may be favoarble in saving you such accidents.//

I am not an expert on accidents and keep away from such fearful topics especially on my own chart . But since you have done some hard work on my chart my views are as under .

I would primarily see the 8th Cuspal Sub Lord to bring in accidents . For me this planet is Jupiter. It can bring accidents through further planets connected to it as under -

1) Planets in star of occupants in 8th - I have no planets in 8th.

2) Planets in star of owner of 8th - No planet in Owner of 8th who is Jupiter again.

3) Other planets in Sub of 8th - Only Moon.

But Moon is not connected to the badhaksthana in any manner, so it should be safe. Or I would rather think in this manner and keep myself free from negative thinking.

By the way, the Guru antardasha, do you think could cause Heart trouble ? Or as they say 5 and 8th causes Love affair ( Platonic ?) . What do you think I would suffer from in Guru antar coming in shortly ? It may be difficult for one to reply. In both cases dil ka mamla hai. ( By the way I am not into any affair since I got married quarter of a century ago)

Or do you think it could also be a birth of a child to my first child who is a daughter ?

Could 5,8 denote surgery to ones child ?

Thanks and regards,

Bhaskar.

, " adith kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath wrote:>

> Dear Baskarji> > Hope you received my earlier mail on the analysis.> I will be obliged if if you comment on the same> > Regards> Adith> > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:54 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> gkadithkasinath wrote:> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> >> > My rough study on your case on the accident part:> >> > As per the points given by Sri.Kudandhai nathan (on Trigons)we have to

> > consider the sub of the the houses 4,8,12 for accidents.> >> > When any one of the sublord of these 3 is transitting in the sign where all> > these 3 sublords are connected ( vide signlord,stralord and sublord), and

> > if the Das Bukthi and Andra of these Sublords connected are running and when> > Sun and Moon and Asc.,are transitting in that senstive points , the accident> > will happen to a native. If the Bhadaka and Maraka are connected along with

> > these, the incident will end in danger to the native.> >> > But if the 1,5,9 sub lords are connected in any sign of the chart, the> > native will escape from such accidents.> >

> > In your case, the 1,5,9 sublords are Sun,Moon and Sun. These sensitive link> > can be seen in Leo, Sun sign, Sun Star and Moon sub. This is good to save> > you.> >> > If we look at the 4,8,12 sub lords, surprisingly all the three happen to be

> > Jupiter. No planet is in Jupiter.> > So the unfavorable link should involve in Jupiter sign,jupiter star and> > jupiter sub. But this link is not present in any sign. For example , if we> > take Pisces, Jupiter sign lord and Jupiter star lord are ok, but jupiter sub

> > is not there. But as Jupiter is more stronger , i doubt if Jupiter sign and> > jupiter star lord itslef is enough to create unfovarable result?> >> > Moreover, The running Dasa .Bukthi must link to these. So the next Dasa

> > Jupiter may cause such event?> > The running Dasa Rahu is closely conjuncted with Mars . also Rahu is the> > sublord of Jupiter. So when Rahu Dasa, Jupiter Bukthi, when Jupiter transits> > in Jupiter star and also the sun,moon and lagna are transiting in such

> > sensitive point, may it lead to Accidents?> >> > Also we can see Jupiter is lord of 5 and in 5 . The star lord of Jupiter> > Moon is the sub lord of 5th cusp, so it may help you escape such bad

> > incidents.> > (as I am out of reach to my software ,as I am out , i could not go> > through well the transit movements and other points. but i took a copy of> > your chart in hand).

> >> > All the above reasons may be favoarble in saving you such accidents.> >> > Dear Bhaskar ji, these are my rough findings which I need your or other> > seniors expertise to tune up. If you address to my concerns/doubts in the

> > above , that will be more appreciated and I shall be obliged.> >> > Thanks and Regards> > Adith> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotishwrote:

> >> >>> >> Dear Adithji,> >>> >> Yes .> >>> >> The RP's taken at time of judgement by are so very perfect by Pavanji,> >> that actually there is no rectification required on the birth time as

> >> per my view. But my view is always open to cross examinations by the> >> Experts.> >>> >> regards/Bhaskar.> >>> >> <%40>, " adith

> >> kasinath.g.k " > >>> >> gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear BHASKAR JI AND PAVAN JI> >> >> >> > Hope good analysis and appeal to the same.

> >> >> >> > Before trying to do the BTR immediately , if we look into the any> >> > possibilities of any connection between the star/sub lord of the Asc> >> of

> >> > natal with the RPs at the time if judgement may help us if any BTR is> >> > required at all.> >> >> >> > Its my humble thought.> >> > May be other memnbers analysis on this will take us into an one more

> >> never> >> > ending thread.> >> >> >> > Lets wait for Ajai's analysis as Bhaskar ji has given a go ahead.> >> >> >> > Regards

> >> > Adith> >> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish:> >>> >> >

> >> > > Dear Pavan ji,> >> > >> >> > > A good effort on Your part.> >> > >> >> > > A small observation -> >> > >

> >> > > *At time of Your Judgement the RP's were as under -*> >> > > Ascendant lord - The Sun> >> > > Moon starLord - Venus> >> > > Moon raashi Lord - Mars

> >> > > Day Lord - Moon - (Kethu )> >> > >> >> > > Ascendant star lord - Kethu> >> > >> >> > > As per my recorded time of 10.14 am the equation stands as under -

> >> > >> >> > > Leo ascendant - Raashi lord - Sun, StarLord Venus, SubLord - Sun.> >> > >> >> > > *The RP's are used only for those factors on which we are doubtful

> >> in the> >> > > chart.* Here the Lagna Lord is not doubtful in my natal Chart,> >> because> >> > > Lagna is at 15 degrees so no question of Lagna changing . Therefore

> >> what you> >> > > are looking for confirmation , is the StarLord and the Sub lord.> >> Since we> >> > > have not used any of the above RP's for confirming the Lagna Lord,

> >> even the> >> > > Sun stays in the RP's. My question to you now, is why dont you allow> >> the Sun> >> > > from the RP's to be used as the SubLord for the ascendant which in

> >> any case> >> > > is The Sun, and confirms it. Of course Venus confirms the StarLord> >> as it is.> >> > > Thus the timings does not require any rectification unless one

> >> wishes to> >> > > confirm the SubSubLord and fine tune it.> >> > >> >> > > But in any case, what happened to the Sun amongst the RP's you have

> >> used> >> > > for rectification purposes ?> >> > >> >> > > regards,> >> > >> >> > > Bhaskar.> >> > >

> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > <%40>, vgr

> >> pavan vgr_pavan1@ wrote:> >> > > >> >> > > > PRANAM ALL,> >> > > >> >> > > > I analysed the horoscope of sri bhaskar on 02-02-2009Â @19.38

> >> hrs> >> > > 16.14N, 80.35E> >> > > >> >> > > > Ruling Planets:> >> > > >> >> > > > Asc : sun kethu

> >> > > >> >> > > > Moon : mar ven> >> > > >> >> > > > d.l Â moon> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Now bhaskarji`s Asc is in sun ven sun as per the recorded time. At

> >> the> >> > > time of judgement ascis occupied by sat both rahu and kethu> >> represnts him.> >> > > so final r.p are sun,Â mars, ven, rah,kethu.as mars is moon sign

> >> lord and> >> > > aspecting it from the star of sun another r.p i think he is strong.> >> mars wil> >> > > be Asc sub lord and rahu s-s lord. (i left kethu because he rules

> >> his brth> >> > > star.) for confirmation i opened k.p 2 reader which give 55 on the> >> right> >> > > side page.> >> > > > (asking the query who rules his asc sub) 55 falls in mer,rah,mars.

> >> > > >> >> > > > HIS BRTH TIME COMES TO 10.21 AM.> >> > > >> >> > > > NOW ASC csl Mars is in kethu star and sub of rahu. kethu in 6th

> >> and rahu> >> > > is in 12th with mars in kethu star. So asc csl is clearly signifying> >> 6,12.> >> > > But please note that 6,8,12 csl is mercury l/o 2,11 in 10 (no planet

> >> in mer> >> > > stars ) in the star of rahu and sub of sat(no planets in sat stars).> >> rahu in> >> > > 12 sat in 5 in sun star l/o asc in 10. So mer is signifying

> >> 2,10,11,12 at> >> > > star level and 1,5,7,10 at sub level. So 6,8,and 12th cusps are> >> promising> >> > > favourable results.> >> > > > Sun,mer (l/o1,l/o11)are in sextile with asc promising good health

> >> and> >> > > fast recovery.> >> > > >> >> > > > As 6th csl is mercury in a dual sign good at sub level he does not> >> having> >> > > any major health

> >> > > > problems.mercury wil give fast recovery from all minor health> >> problems.> >> > > >> >> > > > Bhaskarji this is my analysis i may be wrong . if uÂ can give

> >> some of> >> > > your past events to tally your BTÂ it will be good.> >> > > >> >> > > > learned members, correct me if i am wrong.> >> > > >

> >> > > > regards.> >> > > >> >> > > > vgr> >> > > >> >> > > > Â> >> > > >> >> > > > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, sujata das sujatadash1@ wrote:

> >> > > > sujata das sujatadash1@> >> > >> >> > > > Re: Re: i> >> > > > <%40>

> >> > > > Monday, 2 February, 2009, 6:48 PM> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >

> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >

> >> > > > Dear Mr Raichur> >> > > > Kindly clarify as to why Bhsker never met with an accident/> >> illhealth.> >> > > > Regards> >> > > > sujata

> >> > > >> >> > > > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Raichur-a-r raichurar > wrote:> >> > > > Raichur-a-r raichurar >> >> > > > Re: Re: i

> >> > > > @gro ups.com, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> >> .co.

> >> > > in>> >> > > > Monday, 2 February, 2009, 2:36 PM> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >

> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > dear members> >> > > > find the horoscope redrawn as per kpsw of mine. It is zipped for

> >> > > transmission> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > raichur anant> >> > > >> >> > > > --- On Sun, 1/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

> >> > > >> >> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> >> > > > Re: i

> >> > > > @gro ups.com> >> > > > Sunday, 1 February, 2009, 7:32 PM> >> > > >> >> > > > Dear Singh,

> >> > > >> >> > > > I have not many who could read my Horoscope correctly, but just 2> >> > > > astrologers, one is KP and another is Traditional. This is because

> >> most> >> > > > of the planets are in the constellations of the Nodes. But if you> >> wish> >> > > > you may try.> >> > > >> >> > > > 28th June 1961 10.14 am (Recorded) 16.45N 81.09E Eluru ( near

> >> > > > Vijaywada,Andhra) .> >> > > >> >> > > > You may also observe the 6th house appearing almost every where.> >> > > >> >> > > > regards/Bhaskar. .

> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > @gro ups.com, " hbk1hbk_2100 "

> >> > > > <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...>> >> > > > wrote:> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Hello Bhaskar,> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Could you please provide me with your birth data.> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Regards> >> > > > >> >> > > > > G. Singh

> >> > > > >> >> > > > > --- In> >> > > > @gro ups.com, " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> >> > > > > wrote:> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Dear Singh ji,> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > I have 7 Planets signifying the 12th house. But never been> >> admitted> >> > > > > to> >> > > > > > the hospital since last 48 years by Lord Shri Krishnas Grace.

> >> See> >> > > > > these> >> > > > > > are not pure cases of all planets signifying one particular> >> house (> >> > > > > > Cusp) . There is always a mixture of other planets too,

> >> therefore> >> > > > > one> >> > > > > > need not get panicky or too elated either in cases where in> >> such> >> > > > > cases

> >> > > > > > one finds prominent evil Houses figuring or Benefic houses> >> figuring> >> > > > > in> >> > > > > > the calculations respectively.

> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Unless its a pure case.> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > @gro ups.com,

> >> > > > " hbk1hbk_2100 " > >> > > > <hbk1hbk_2100@>> >> > > > > > wrote:> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > I have all nine planets signifying 11th house.

> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > G. Singh> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " Bhaskar "

> >> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@> >> > > > > > > wrote:> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Please give the chart details of those charts where you

> >> > > > have> >> > > > > > > found, all> >> > > > > > > > nine planets signifying one house .> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > This is not possible, and very much rare and happens maybe> >> > > > just> >> > > > > > > once in> >> > > > > > > > many decades or so ( For instance birth on 5th Feb 1962

> >> > > > with 7> >> > > > > > > Planets> >> > > > > > > > occupying same sign), and that also as per Kp this may not> >> > > > > happen,

> >> > > > > > > but> >> > > > > > > > as per> >> > > > Traditional this signification may be there in such> >> > > > rare

> >> > > > > > > example.> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > I do not think you have many such examples to produce, and> >> > > > even

> >> > > > > if> >> > > > > > > you> >> > > > > > > > have a few, learning of Kp is not to be done with such> >> rare> >> > > > > example

> >> > > > > > > > charts. You have hundreds of illustrated charts in KP> >> > > > Readers,> >> > > > > and> >> > > > > > > other

> >> > > > > > > > Guide books on Kp, so why must there be the need to study> >> > > > such> >> > > > > rare> >> > > > > > > > charts " to learn KP system effectively " .

> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " sudhagarceg " > >> > > > <sudhagarceg@>

> >> > > > > > > > wrote:> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Am new to kp system and eagerly learning student. In> >> > > > some> >> > > > > charts> >> > > > > > > i

> >> > > > > > > > > found that all the nine planets signifies a house...> >> > > > FOr> >> > > > > example> >> > > > > > > all

> >> > > > > > > > the> >> > > > > > > > > nine planets signifies 8th house, in another chart all> >> > > > the 9> >> > > > > > > planets

> >> > > > > > > > > signifies 11 house. what does it mean?> >> > > > > > > > > In first case (all 9 => 8th house)will get> >> > > > accidents in all

> >> > > > > the> >> > > > > > > > > periods?> >> > > > > > > > > In second case (all 9=>11th house) will get luck> >> > > > and comfort

> >> > > > > in> >> > > > > > > > > all the periods?> >> > > > > > > > > Please clear my doubts in order to learn kp syetem

> >> > > > > effectively.> >> > > > > > > > > Thank you sirs.> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >

> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >> > > >> >> > > >

February 4, 2009

Dear Members,

The King Abdullah of Jordan has all 9 planets significator of 2nd

and 11th house. He was born around same time as mine. He is

Saggitarius ascendant with these 7 planets in 2nd house in capricorn

and his moon is in his 11th house in Libra sign. You can find his

birth data on internet. I did analysis of his chart as well. His

rajyoga I believe came in Mercury's mahadasha as mercury is in the

nakshatra of 2nd and 9th lord mars and placed in 2nd house in its

exaltation, and suddenly he became the king one day.

Mr Bohra discussed some astrology chart a month ago with many

planets in 11th house, and his friend has suffered a lot in his

life. Mr Bohra your friend has planets in 11th house but he has

three of those planets in moon's nakshatra, and his moon is in 12th

house. Although the planets are in 11th house but they are in the

nakshatra of an occupant of 12th house as moon the ruler of 5th

house is in his 12th house. Had his moon been placed in a good house

like 2nd, 6th, 10th or 11th it would have been a real rajyoga.

Regards

G. Singh

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

>

> Can you please take G. Singh ji's chart as an example and explain

what you

> mean by using sub and sub-sub in such situation? Also when we

should use sub

> and sub-sub? Only when we have many planets in one house or

always? Would

> appreicaite if you can take a chart as an example to explain your

point.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:07 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> > Dear Punit jee,

> >

> > In my view when somany planets signifying a house then we must

look

> > for sub lord or sub-sub lord for final analysis that will give

the

> > real picture.

> >

> > As Mr.Sing have 9 planets signifying 11 house but sub and sub-

sub lord

> > are different.When a particular Dasa period running it will

analyse by

> > sub theory and he will get the result as per sub lord or by sub-

sub

> > lord.In traditional Astrology it will also analyse by other

> > divisions.In general by only Rahi-chart predication will be

wrong.

> >

> > Kp system is best tool to analyse the chart as like Mr.Sing or

some

> > common chart with same placing but results are very different as

like

> > born child with difference of few minutes ,as twins .

> >

> > We must know the traditional astrology for right conclusion as

like

> > " Bhavatm-Bhavam " theory.11th house is 8 from 4th house,6th from

6th

> > house it will give some negative result,12th from 12th house.So

these

> > all give us some more help to analyse.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > <%

40>, Punit

> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Recent posts in this thread, points towards a confusion in

analysis

> > of the

> > > charts where we have all the planets (or many planets)

signifying a

> > single

> > > house. Some of the quotes are -

> > >

> > > Raichur ji said, " you are the most fortunate man "

> > > Sujata ji said, " why Bhaskar never met with an accident/

illhelath "

> > > Sunil ji said " This would naturally mean that no matter what

dasha

> > or bhukti

> > > the native is running, there will be improvement in his

monetary

> > situation. "

> > >

> > > I believe that we are missing one very fundamental points in

birth chart

> > > analysis and that is the reason there seems some confusion. The

> > point that a

> > > *person will get what is promised in his chart. *Not everybody

get

> > results

> > > of a house signified by a planets. For example, suppose I have

all

> > planets

> > > signifying 12th house, I may get foreign travel but not

> > hospitalization or

> > > vice-versa in my lifetime. *As per KP, to figure out what is

> > promised for a

> > > house and what is not, we need to check the sub-lord of the

cusp of that

> > > house. *In above example, if 12th cuspal sub lord is

signifying 1st

> > and 6th,

> > > one may get hospitalization. If 12th cuspal sub lord

signifying 3rd,

> > 9th,

> > > 12th, he may get foreign travels etc. If 12th cuspal sublord

> > signifying 1st,

> > > 3rd, 6th, 9th, 12th etc. he may get both hospitalization and

foreign

> > travel.

> > > It depends. We should also see the nature of the sub lord to

get a

> > better

> > > idea.

> > >

> > > Let us take example of Mr. G. Singh's chart. He has all the

nine planets

> > > signifying 11th house. 11th house tells us about matters

related to

> > " Profit

> > > or gain, income, all kinds of receipts, acquisition, gain,

desire,

> > passion,

> > > fulfillment of one's desire, wealth or riches, brothers and

sisters

> > - elder

> > > one, friends " Will he get all? In my opinion, he will get

everything

> > that is

> > > promised in his chart. In his chart, 11th house sub lord is

Moon

> > signifying

> > > 11, 10, 3, 8, and 5. 5th house is negating quite a few

benefits of 11th

> > > house e.g. gain from competition/ others etc. 10th house is

also

> > negating

> > > some of the benefits of 11th house by being 12th to 11th

house. 8th

> > house is

> > > not good generally for quite a few matters including income and

> > gains. It

> > > definately tells use that the things would not have come as

easy to

> > his as

> > > it looks from the high level view of the chart. 5th house and

8th house

> > > suggests that he is fortunate in relationships and love

affairs, as

> > he told

> > > us. *So to reiterate my point again - one gets what is

promised in the

> > > chart. *

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:50 AM, hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hello Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > Let me give you my brief thoughts as I have very aggressive

> > > > schedule.

> > > >

> > > > Rahu in your chart is in 12th house and most of your planets

are

> > > > connected with Rahu. But understand Rahu is in your Lagna

lord Sun's

> > > > sign. Sun the ruler of 1st house is in 10th house. Rahu in

Leo is

> > > > stronger than sun to give 1st house and 10th house results.

So

> > > > planets in rahu's nakshtra are giving you 10th house and 1st

house

> > > > results more predominantly and your health is okay. Alot

depends on

> > > > the analysis of the house cusp lords, but it is fruitful

only if

> > > > your birth time is very accurate. Also even if a planet is

in 12th

> > > > house but if it is close to the 1st house cusp, it will end

up

> > > > giving 1st house results instead of 12th house results. Now

you tell

> > > > me how accurate your birth time is as I don't have time for

your BTR.

> > > >

> > > > But be careful in Rahu / Mars period especially if Rahu is

> > > > transiting in Mars nakshatra at that time because these two

planets

> > > > can do big harm, and then you will remember me.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > G. Singh

> > > >

> > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Singhji,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is KP learnt and applied in bits, but not complete.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Can you answer why is it , that though I have all

planets

> > > > signifying

> > > > > 6th and 12th house, due to their being placed in

Constellation of

> > > > Nodes,

> > > > > and the Nodes occupy 6/12 axis, yet why have I never been

admitted

> > > > in a

> > > > > hospital or face dany health problems of any worry?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Rahu has actually done very good for me. I do not

accept it as a

> > > > > Badhak just because you think it is placed with the

badhak ? Can

> > > > you

> > > > > explain the astrological reason for it being a Badhaka ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Does Jupiter does not signify any other houses ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) Where are the roles of the sublords of other planets

and Cusps ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 5) You write that Sun, Mercury, Ketu, Mars, rahu, jupiter,

Moon

> > > > are

> > > > > significators of 12th house. But dont they signify other

houses

> > > > too ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 6) You write that " You should be careful when the

signicators of

> > > > 6th,

> > > > > 8th, 12th, and badhaka will act together in dasha, bhukti

and

> > > > anthras.

> > > > > " This is not just for me, but for everybody living in

this world .

> > > > >

> > > > > 7) By the way, venus has given me the most pleasures in

Life

> > > > during its

> > > > > dasha .

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please explain me astrologically ( KP ) why none

of your

> > > > points

> > > > > match with actual hapennings in my Life ?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > " hbk1hbk_2100 " <hbk1hbk_2100@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. You have Moon, Mars, Rahu in the constellation of

Ketu in 6th

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Jupiter is the strong significator of 8th house as

there is no

> > > > > > planet in jupiter's nakshatra, and there is no occupant

in eighth

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. Sun, Mercury, Ketu, Mars, rahu, jupiter, Moon are

> > > > significators of

> > > > > > 12th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. For Leo ascendant Mars is the badhaka planet as it

rules the

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > house. Rahu in conjunction with Mars will be a strong

badhaka

> > > > planet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Most of your planets are in the subs of rahu. I did not

get into

> > > > > > further details as it will take too much of my time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You should be careful when the signicators of 6th, 8th,

12th, and

> > > > > > badhaka will act together in dasha, bhukti and anthras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu and Venus are very strong badhaka planets for you.

Venus is

> > > > > > occupant of 9th house and no planet in its constellation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You should be very careful when rahu, venus, will act

with

> > > > > > significators of 8th house Jupiter and the 12th house

> > > > significators

> > > > > > mentioned above.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > G. Singh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Strong significators:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1 SAT, VENUS

> > > > > > 2. MERCURY

> > > > > > 3. VENUS

> > > > > > 4. JUPITER, MARS

> > > > > > 5. JUPITER, SAT

> > > > > > 6. MOON, MARS, RAHU, SAT, KETU

> > > > > > 7. SAT

> > > > > > 8. JUPITER

> > > > > > 9. VENUS, MARS

> > > > > > 10. VENUS, SAT, MERCURY, VENUS

> > > > > > 11. MERCURY

> > > > > > 12. SUN, MERCURY, KETU, MARS, JUPITER

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Singh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have not many who could read my Horoscope correctly,

but

> > > > just 2

> > > > > > > astrologers, one is KP and another is Traditional.

This is

> > > > because

> > > > > > most

> > > > > > > of the planets are in the constellations of the Nodes.

But if

> > > > you

> > > > > > wish

> > > > > > > you may try.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 28th June 1961 10.14 am (Recorded) 16.45N 81.09E Eluru

( near

> > > > > > > Vijaywada,Andhra).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You may also observe the 6th house appearing almost

every

> > > > where.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%

40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > " hbk1hbk_2100 "

> > > > <hbk1hbk_2100@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hello Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Could you please provide me with your birth data.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > G. Singh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > <%40>,

> >

> > > > " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Singh ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have 7 Planets signifying the 12th house. But

never been

> > > > > > admitted

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the hospital since last 48 years by Lord Shri

Krishnas

> > > > Grace.

> > > > > > See

> > > > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > > are not pure cases of all planets signifying one

particular

> > > > > > house (

> > > > > > > > > Cusp) . There is always a mixture of other planets

too,

> > > > > > therefore

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > need not get panicky or too elated either in cases

where

> > > > in such

> > > > > > > > cases

> > > > > > > > > one finds prominent evil Houses figuring or

Benefic houses

> > > > > > figuring

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the calculations respectively.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Unless its a pure case.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > " hbk1hbk_2100 "

> > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have all nine planets signifying 11th house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > G. Singh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please give the chart details of those charts

where

> > > > you have

> > > > > > > > > > found, all

> > > > > > > > > > > nine planets signifying one house .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is not possible, and very much rare and

happens

> > > > maybe

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > once in

> > > > > > > > > > > many decades or so ( For instance birth on 5th

Feb 1962

> > > > > > with 7

> > > > > > > > > > Planets

> > > > > > > > > > > occupying same sign), and that also as per Kp

this may

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > happen,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > as per Traditional this signification may be

there in

> > > > such

> > > > > > rare

> > > > > > > > > > example.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not think you have many such examples to

produce,

> > > > and

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > have a few, learning of Kp is not to be done

with such

> > > > rare

> > > > > > > > example

> > > > > > > > > > > charts. You have hundreds of illustrated

charts in KP

> > > > > > Readers,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > Guide books on Kp, so why must there be the

need to

> > > > study

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > rare

> > > > > > > > > > > charts " to learn KP system effectively " .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > " sudhagarceg "

> > > > > > <sudhagarceg@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Am new to kp system and eagerly learning

student. In

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > found that all the nine planets signifies a

house..

> > > > FOr

> > > > > > > > example

> > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > nine planets signifies 8th house, in another

chart

> > > > all

> > > > > > the 9

> > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > signifies 11 house. what does it mean?

> > > > > > > > > > > > In first case (all 9 => 8th house)will get

accidents

> > > > in

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > periods?

> > > > > > > > > > > > In second case (all 9=>11th house) will get

luck and

> > > > > > comfort

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > all the periods?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please clear my doubts in order to learn kp

syetem

> > > > > > > > effectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you sirs.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 5, 2009

Dear Punit ji,

I am new in KP system,I will explain what I have learn to read the

messages of the forum.

When a such situation happened as like Mr.Singh's chart,in my view

firstly we should see the Cusp,here 11th house.

" " The nature / type of event for each house depends on the Lords of

star, sub & sign on the cusp.

Planet is a source of event having a star, sub & sign lords. A sub-sub

is considered at times to improve the precision. " "

Cusp Controllers : The Cusp controllers are the Sign-Star-Sub, of

these the Star-Lord is important as it defines the event for that Cusp

/ House. The Sub-Lord has the power to negate the effects proposed by

the same house and has the final authority. In such a scenario if a

planet is occupying the house under consideration it may occupy any of

the stars in the span of that house and it will also be in a specific

Sub, the effects of such a planet then should be finally under the

control of the cusp Star-Lord and Sub-Lord and if they support then

the occupying planet can perform to its optimum potential

Mr.Singh have seven planets in 11th house and 9 planets signifying

11th house so Cusp controls the effects of all planets.

Here 11th Cusp SUN(SL),Ketu(Sub Lord) and Rahu(SSL).Sun is signify

6,11 so gain through 6th house(by Loan).Sub lord is Ketu is in 11th so

he will be benefited by loans,Rahu is in 5th(Love,Education,Child and

poorv Karma).So 11th Cups associated with 5th,6th and 11th houses.Gain

through friends,love affair or partnership,by quarrel,court cases and

by loans.All indicate that he is always have debt in his account.(11th

is 6th to 6th house).

In KP each planet has a Sub-Lord whose effects are most prominently

seen in predictions. If in one Nakshatra 2 planets are present and if

the Sub-Lords are different for each then different results are

experienced

Here,Jupiter,Mercury and Ketu are in Mars star and sub of Rahu but

sun-sub are Sun,Saturn and Saturn respectively.Again sub-sub of

Mercury and Ketu are same than we look SSSL for each result.

2nd.9th and 11th house result will be give by Jupiter,Mercury and Ketu

because they all are in Dhanishta the star of Mars.The result will be

same for these three Planets Dasa period? No!

" " A transiting planet is a variable, next is the Sign-Lord followed by

Star-Lord. This transiting planet will now occupy one of the 9

Sub-parts in the Star, this sub-part is ruled by one of the 9 planets

hence the term Sub-Lord was introduced followed by the Sub-Sub-Lord.

The planet transiting a house is now a source of an event, Star-Lord,

Sub-Lord, Sub-Sub-Lord and the Sign-Lord will decide the course of

events indicated by the House. " "

So in all these scenario Mr.Sing is not gaining or benefice by all

means because all the 9 planets signifying the 11th house.If we

consider " Vimshottari Dasha " for final result,which will decide the

good or bad effects of period,we can analyse the real picture.

It is little which i have learned,if some were I am wrong than please

correct me.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

5.2.2009

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

>

> Can you please take G. Singh ji's chart as an example and explain

what you

> mean by using sub and sub-sub in such situation? Also when we should

use sub

> and sub-sub? Only when we have many planets in one house or always?

Would

> appreicaite if you can take a chart as an example to explain your point.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:07 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> > Dear Punit jee,

> >

> > In my view when somany planets signifying a house then we must look

> > for sub lord or sub-sub lord for final analysis that will give the

> > real picture.

> >

> > As Mr.Sing have 9 planets signifying 11 house but sub and sub-sub lord

> > are different.When a particular Dasa period running it will analyse by

> > sub theory and he will get the result as per sub lord or by sub-sub

> > lord.In traditional Astrology it will also analyse by other

> > divisions.In general by only Rahi-chart predication will be wrong.

> >

> > Kp system is best tool to analyse the chart as like Mr.Sing or some

> > common chart with same placing but results are very different as like

> > born child with difference of few minutes ,as twins .

> >

> > We must know the traditional astrology for right conclusion as like

> > " Bhavatm-Bhavam " theory.11th house is 8 from 4th house,6th from 6th

> > house it will give some negative result,12th from 12th house.So these

> > all give us some more help to analyse.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > <%40>,

Punit

> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Recent posts in this thread, points towards a confusion in analysis

> > of the

> > > charts where we have all the planets (or many planets) signifying a

> > single

> > > house. Some of the quotes are -

> > >

> > > Raichur ji said, " you are the most fortunate man "

> > > Sujata ji said, " why Bhaskar never met with an accident/ illhelath "

> > > Sunil ji said " This would naturally mean that no matter what dasha

> > or bhukti

> > > the native is running, there will be improvement in his monetary

> > situation. "

> > >

> > > I believe that we are missing one very fundamental points in

birth chart

> > > analysis and that is the reason there seems some confusion. The

> > point that a

> > > *person will get what is promised in his chart. *Not everybody get

> > results

> > > of a house signified by a planets. For example, suppose I have all

> > planets

> > > signifying 12th house, I may get foreign travel but not

> > hospitalization or

> > > vice-versa in my lifetime. *As per KP, to figure out what is

> > promised for a

> > > house and what is not, we need to check the sub-lord of the cusp

of that

> > > house. *In above example, if 12th cuspal sub lord is signifying 1st

> > and 6th,

> > > one may get hospitalization. If 12th cuspal sub lord signifying 3rd,

> > 9th,

> > > 12th, he may get foreign travels etc. If 12th cuspal sublord

> > signifying 1st,

> > > 3rd, 6th, 9th, 12th etc. he may get both hospitalization and foreign

> > travel.

> > > It depends. We should also see the nature of the sub lord to get a

> > better

> > > idea.

> > >

> > > Let us take example of Mr. G. Singh's chart. He has all the nine

planets

> > > signifying 11th house. 11th house tells us about matters related to

> > " Profit

> > > or gain, income, all kinds of receipts, acquisition, gain, desire,

> > passion,

> > > fulfillment of one's desire, wealth or riches, brothers and sisters

> > - elder

> > > one, friends " Will he get all? In my opinion, he will get everything

> > that is

> > > promised in his chart. In his chart, 11th house sub lord is Moon

> > signifying

> > > 11, 10, 3, 8, and 5. 5th house is negating quite a few benefits

of 11th

> > > house e.g. gain from competition/ others etc. 10th house is also

> > negating

> > > some of the benefits of 11th house by being 12th to 11th house. 8th

> > house is

> > > not good generally for quite a few matters including income and

> > gains. It

> > > definately tells use that the things would not have come as easy to

> > his as

> > > it looks from the high level view of the chart. 5th house and

8th house

> > > suggests that he is fortunate in relationships and love affairs, as

> > he told

> > > us. *So to reiterate my point again - one gets what is promised

in the

> > > chart. *

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:50 AM, hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hello Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > Let me give you my brief thoughts as I have very aggressive

> > > > schedule.

> > > >

> > > > Rahu in your chart is in 12th house and most of your planets are

> > > > connected with Rahu. But understand Rahu is in your Lagna lord

Sun's

> > > > sign. Sun the ruler of 1st house is in 10th house. Rahu in Leo is

> > > > stronger than sun to give 1st house and 10th house results. So

> > > > planets in rahu's nakshtra are giving you 10th house and 1st house

> > > > results more predominantly and your health is okay. Alot

depends on

> > > > the analysis of the house cusp lords, but it is fruitful only if

> > > > your birth time is very accurate. Also even if a planet is in 12th

> > > > house but if it is close to the 1st house cusp, it will end up

> > > > giving 1st house results instead of 12th house results. Now

you tell

> > > > me how accurate your birth time is as I don't have time for

your BTR.

> > > >

> > > > But be careful in Rahu / Mars period especially if Rahu is

> > > > transiting in Mars nakshatra at that time because these two

planets

> > > > can do big harm, and then you will remember me.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > G. Singh

> > > >

<%40><%

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Singhji,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is KP learnt and applied in bits, but not complete.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Can you answer why is it , that though I have all planets

> > > > signifying

> > > > > 6th and 12th house, due to their being placed in

Constellation of

> > > > Nodes,

> > > > > and the Nodes occupy 6/12 axis, yet why have I never been

admitted

> > > > in a

> > > > > hospital or face dany health problems of any worry?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Rahu has actually done very good for me. I do not accept

it as a

> > > > > Badhak just because you think it is placed with the badhak ? Can

> > > > you

> > > > > explain the astrological reason for it being a Badhaka ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Does Jupiter does not signify any other houses ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) Where are the roles of the sublords of other planets and

Cusps ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 5) You write that Sun, Mercury, Ketu, Mars, rahu, jupiter, Moon

> > > > are

> > > > > significators of 12th house. But dont they signify other houses

> > > > too ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 6) You write that " You should be careful when the

signicators of

> > > > 6th,

> > > > > 8th, 12th, and badhaka will act together in dasha, bhukti and

> > > > anthras.

> > > > > " This is not just for me, but for everybody living in this

world .

> > > > >

> > > > > 7) By the way, venus has given me the most pleasures in Life

> > > > during its

> > > > > dasha .

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please explain me astrologically ( KP ) why none of your

> > > > points

> > > > > match with actual hapennings in my Life ?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

<%40><%

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > " hbk1hbk_2100 " <hbk1hbk_2100@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. You have Moon, Mars, Rahu in the constellation of Ketu

in 6th

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Jupiter is the strong significator of 8th house as

there is no

> > > > > > planet in jupiter's nakshatra, and there is no occupant in

eighth

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. Sun, Mercury, Ketu, Mars, rahu, jupiter, Moon are

> > > > significators of

> > > > > > 12th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. For Leo ascendant Mars is the badhaka planet as it

rules the

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > house. Rahu in conjunction with Mars will be a strong badhaka

> > > > planet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Most of your planets are in the subs of rahu. I did not

get into

> > > > > > further details as it will take too much of my time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You should be careful when the signicators of 6th, 8th,

12th, and

> > > > > > badhaka will act together in dasha, bhukti and anthras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu and Venus are very strong badhaka planets for you.

Venus is

> > > > > > occupant of 9th house and no planet in its constellation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You should be very careful when rahu, venus, will act with

> > > > > > significators of 8th house Jupiter and the 12th house

> > > > significators

> > > > > > mentioned above.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > G. Singh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Strong significators:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1 SAT, VENUS

> > > > > > 2. MERCURY

> > > > > > 3. VENUS

> > > > > > 4. JUPITER, MARS

> > > > > > 5. JUPITER, SAT

> > > > > > 6. MOON, MARS, RAHU, SAT, KETU

> > > > > > 7. SAT

> > > > > > 8. JUPITER

> > > > > > 9. VENUS, MARS

> > > > > > 10. VENUS, SAT, MERCURY, VENUS

> > > > > > 11. MERCURY

> > > > > > 12. SUN, MERCURY, KETU, MARS, JUPITER

> > > > > >

<%40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Singh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have not many who could read my Horoscope correctly, but

> > > > just 2

> > > > > > > astrologers, one is KP and another is Traditional. This is

> > > > because

> > > > > > most

> > > > > > > of the planets are in the constellations of the Nodes.

But if

> > > > you

> > > > > > wish

> > > > > > > you may try.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 28th June 1961 10.14 am (Recorded) 16.45N 81.09E Eluru (

near

> > > > > > > Vijaywada,Andhra).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You may also observe the 6th house appearing almost every

> > > > where.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

<%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > " hbk1hbk_2100 "

> > > > <hbk1hbk_2100@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hello Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Could you please provide me with your birth data.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > G. Singh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > <%40>,

> >

> > > > " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Singh ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have 7 Planets signifying the 12th house. But

never been

> > > > > > admitted

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the hospital since last 48 years by Lord Shri Krishnas

> > > > Grace.

> > > > > > See

> > > > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > > are not pure cases of all planets signifying one

particular

> > > > > > house (

> > > > > > > > > Cusp) . There is always a mixture of other planets too,

> > > > > > therefore

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > need not get panicky or too elated either in cases where

> > > > in such

> > > > > > > > cases

> > > > > > > > > one finds prominent evil Houses figuring or Benefic

houses

> > > > > > figuring

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the calculations respectively.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Unless its a pure case.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > " hbk1hbk_2100 "

> > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have all nine planets signifying 11th house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > G. Singh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%40><%

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please give the chart details of those charts where

> > > > you have

> > > > > > > > > > found, all

> > > > > > > > > > > nine planets signifying one house .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is not possible, and very much rare and happens

> > > > maybe

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > once in

> > > > > > > > > > > many decades or so ( For instance birth on 5th

Feb 1962

> > > > > > with 7

> > > > > > > > > > Planets

> > > > > > > > > > > occupying same sign), and that also as per Kp

this may

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > happen,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > as per Traditional this signification may be

there in

> > > > such

> > > > > > rare

> > > > > > > > > > example.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not think you have many such examples to

produce,

> > > > and

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > have a few, learning of Kp is not to be done

with such

> > > > rare

> > > > > > > > example

> > > > > > > > > > > charts. You have hundreds of illustrated charts

in KP

> > > > > > Readers,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > Guide books on Kp, so why must there be the need to

> > > > study

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > rare

> > > > > > > > > > > charts " to learn KP system effectively " .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%40><%

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > " sudhagarceg "

> > > > > > <sudhagarceg@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Am new to kp system and eagerly learning

student. In

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > found that all the nine planets signifies a

house..

> > > > FOr

> > > > > > > > example

> > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > nine planets signifies 8th house, in another chart

> > > > all

> > > > > > the 9

> > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > signifies 11 house. what does it mean?

> > > > > > > > > > > > In first case (all 9 => 8th house)will get

accidents

> > > > in

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > periods?

> > > > > > > > > > > > In second case (all 9=>11th house) will get

luck and

> > > > > > comfort

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > all the periods?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please clear my doubts in order to learn kp syetem

> > > > > > > > effectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you sirs.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 5, 2009

Dear Adith and BhaskerI had met with a serious head injury ( head was operated) with fractured collar bone and 2 ribs on 27 3 -82 north east to Patna at about 7pm. We were travelling towards Nepal border, maybe near Motihari.Dasa jup ve sat, ke star day. Ve is the sublord of 4 8. Sat is sublord of 12.My dob is 5-5-55 pob is delhi, near connaught place., tob 9-37 pm My 1 5 9 sublords are ra ju moom.They falll in cancer which is part of the 8th houseIts very difficult to pinpoint the future date on the basis of these pointersTo judge an accident Hardeep nagi,who is also a member of this group once told me that if 1st sublord is connected to 6 8 12 and badhak, then only accidents will happenRegardsSujata--- On Wed, 4/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: i Date: Wednesday, 4 February, 2009, 3:45 PM

Dear Adithji,

I thank you for bringing in a very educative subject on board, related to accidents and putting your presentation on same.// As per the points given by Sri.Kudandhai nathan (on Trigons)we have to consider the sub of the the houses 4,8,12 for accidents.When any one of the sublord of these 3 is transitting in the sign where all these 3 sublords are connected ( vide signlord,stralord and sublord), and if the Das Bukthi and Andra of these Sublords connected are running and when Sun and Moon and Asc.,are transitting in that senstive points , the accident will happen to a native. If the Bhadaka and Maraka are connected along with these, the incident will end in danger to the native. //