Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house (Saravali)

April 17, 2010

Wow Bhaskar ji - Very good !!

We are students are blessed with this interpretation

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Good observations. Whenever Mars and Saturn jointly influence (Aspect) a

> house, one may consider it as gone and lost.

>

> Not only Mars is aspecting Jupiter who is the 7th Lord, but also the 7th

> House.

>

> Now I dont think that this friendship of his with a much younger girl,

> is caused due to retro Jupiter This could be in fact the handiwork of

> Mars. Mars is the Lord of the 6th house, therefore will break the 7th

> house significations being 12th Lord from the 7th house. Furthermore

> Mars and Saturn both contribute to spoiling the 11th house of

> friendships.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , amit desai

> <amitwho@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renuji

> > from your eg. and i have been observing on regular basis that, when

> any house or planet are under joint influence of Mars and Saturn as in

> your eg. usually ill luck about the house and planet is experienced by

> the native.

> > As in your eg. jupiter as 7th lord in 11th house is jointly aspected

> by Saturn and Mars, here native is likely to get unsatisfactory results

> regarding 7th house (spouse in general) and 11th house for long term

> relationship. However this shall be true to all Lagna rasi.

> > Here Jupiter is also 10th lord so point, is he having problems in his

> career matters too?

> > Â Amit Desai

> >

> > ________________________________

> > renunw renunw@

> >

> > Sat, April 17, 2010 12:32:12 AM

> > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house

> (Saravali)

> >

> > Â

> > Dear Manoj ji,

> >

> > I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter is

> placed in 11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is

> retrograde. Besides Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on this

> Ju. The native is married to a girl 14 years younger to him. Now he has

> an extra marital relationship with a girl 22 years younger to him! Is

> this the work of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th house?

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

> mouji99@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and

> requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes

> to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for

> Mithuna lagna.

> > > Â

> > > regards,

> > > Â

> > > Mouji

> > >

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Dear Bohra ji,

If you go bit down and explore the divisions or D-charts, you would get many

asnswers yourself.

regds

Dev

, " Sudan " <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear Mouji Ram ji,

>

> Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in 11th house in Pisces

Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

>

> Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th and interestingly I

have three kids (Expansion ! in present scenario).

>

> Interesting na !

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My question was regarding the

expansionist attributes of upachaya houses. What will Jupiter expand here. And

often it is also said, that Jupiter himself helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter,

over any other planet.

> >

> > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it vertical or

horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it, Jupiter here in this

case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna also. Or say, Aries, Lagna,

Venus in the eleventh house, what expansions would it bring?

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Mouji Ram

> >

> > ________________________________

> > kiran.rama <kiran.rama@>

> >

> > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house

(Saravali)

> >

> > Â

> > Dear Manoj ji:

> >

> > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> >

> > Effect 1:

> > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house significations

revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> >

> > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day through

'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> >

> > Effect 2:

> > Jupiter in 11H;

> > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says Ju in 11H

means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy etc

> >

> > Effect 3:

> > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or detriment

here.

> >

> > So overall good effects

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and

requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th

house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > Â

> > > regards,

> > > Â

> > > Mouji

> > >

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Dear Renu ji:

From a specific relationships angle, 7HL in 11H implies gain of relationships,

spouse, partners etc - so 'extra' partners could be a signification of 7HL in

11H. Retrograde planet means significations are held latent - and are difficult

to get expressed unless there is effort on part of the native. So as a result

seems like the native entered into relationships slightly late in life. Retro is

not causing the immorality but has made the need for extra partners/passion more

pronounced!!

The immorality is caused by Ma-Sa aspect; Remember this harm is going to happen

irrespective of Ma-Sa house lordship; even if they were lording the 7H. 7H is

not able to utilize Ma/Sa energy.

Even if it was exalted Ma/Sa aspect, the result would have been the same

Thanks

Kiran

, " renunw " <renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter is placed in

11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is retrograde. Besides

Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on this Ju. The native is married to a

girl 14 years younger to him. Now he has an extra marital relationship with a

girl 22 years younger to him! Is this the work of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th

house?

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@> wrote:

> >

> > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and

requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th

house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Mouji

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Dear Moujiramji, Kiran Ramaji and all,

IMHO :

7th in 11th upachaya house - increases the benefits to the 7th house significations.

Since we are talking about the favourite signification of partners - it means gains to the partners.

Will it mean that the Jataka enjoys many partners ? - That depends on the other houses like 1st house, 1HL etc. If they are aspected by restraining graha' aspect positioning or other yogas then he may not enjoy the multiplicity of enjoyments of 7th house.

Conversely a person's 1HL and other things may be spoilt and the 7th house/lord barren, yet that will not prevent him from Purushartha - you know what I mean.

Everybody has a potential to have more partners - depends on all factors if he is able to.

All factors 7,11,1,5,8,12 etc.

Thanks & Regards

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Sat, 17/4/10, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

kiran.rama <kiran.rama Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house (Saravali) Date: Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 11:48 AM

Dear Renu ji:From a specific relationships angle, 7HL in 11H implies gain of relationships, spouse, partners etc - so 'extra' partners could be a signification of 7HL in 11H. Retrograde planet means significations are held latent - and are difficult to get expressed unless there is effort on part of the native. So as a result seems like the native entered into relationships slightly late in life. Retro is not causing the immorality but has made the need for extra partners/passion more pronounced!!The immorality is caused by Ma-Sa aspect; Remember this harm is going to happen irrespective of Ma-Sa house lordship; even if they were lording the 7H. 7H is not able to utilize Ma/Sa energy.Even if it was exalted Ma/Sa aspect, the result would have been the sameThanksKiranancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Manoj ji,> > I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter is placed in 11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is retrograde. Besides Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on this Ju. The native is married to a girl 14 years younger to him. Now he has an extra marital relationship with a girl 22 years younger to him! Is this the work of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th house?> > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@> wrote:> >> >

Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.> > > > regards,> > > > Mouji> >>

April 17, 2010

Dear Bhaskar Bhai ji,

Pake-pakaye ko kya pakana,

Khele-khaye ko kya khilana.

hum to kuch interesting dekh kar aa gaye,

Lagata hai bhai log isis se ukta gaye.

aap mere is post se pak gaye ye to sarasar naa insafi hai bhaska bhai.Hamne ,aap

ke kitne post jele hai kyaa bhul gaye ?

I have given just other aspects of possibilities which should be observe by only

one planet,Jupiter in 11th in Mithun Lagana.Final conclusion should be take n by

all supported indication of other placements.

I am talking with you but my message for the other members of the

forum,communication with the forum through you because you are exchanging with

me and you are the " center " of this forum.

Meri baat ko dil se naa laganaa,

Kabhi-khabhi to aate hai,chale jaayenge.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sudan ji,

>

> //7th lord in 11th,if take it as so many relation ship with opposite sex

> only by

> just one planet placement than we lead to a wrong way.//

>

> In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some indications are

> as Native

> have mature partner and they love each other a lot,Native's second child

> is very

> independent and intelligent,Native's younger brother have child with

> good fate

> and they are also learned,Native's maternal grand mother have learned

> child,Native's father is in education professional side with all

> respect,Native's enemy always in debt,Native is so " Dharmik " ,Native

> himself earn

> the money from education or teaching or from any " Dharmik " sources,

>

> When we are talking about just one planet and its placement as Shri

> Mouji Bhai was asking about, we can then certainly not keep silent just

> because we do not have the positions of the other planets. We were

> expected to speak just about the Jupiter in 11th irrespective of other

> influences. And we dont mean that every person of Gemini Asc. with Jup

> in 11th will have relationships with lots of people from opposite sex.

> We are just talking of a possibility due to this placement.

>

> In same way You cannot predict the following only by just one planet

> placement otherwise you will be led to a wrong way.

>

> //In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some indications are

> as Native have mature partner and they love each other a lot,Native's

> second child is very independent and intelligent,Native's younger

> brother have child with good fate and they are also learned,Native's

> maternal grand mother have learned child,Native's father is in education

> professional side with all respect,Native's enemy always in debt,Native

> is so " Dharmik " ,Native himself earn the money from education or teaching

> or from any " Dharmik " sources//

>

> Ab aur mat pakaana Bhai. Dimaag ka dahi mat banao. aapko mera dimaag

> pasand hai toh Bheja fry kar ke mera bhej deta hoon. Par ab baksh

> do.Kitna discuss karte ho. Kahin toh seema rakho.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Sudan " <msbohra62@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > It was in response to " Yes we should analyse the chart with whole

> mixture and not with one placement. Thanks for this information. I will

> keep this learning in mind. "

> >

> > I am in your support that we should not take as it is what have been

> written in " Saravali " , " Uttarakalamrit " , " Chmatkar-Chintamani " ,etc.We have

> to take the essence and understand what have been said and in which

> content.

> >

> > 7th lord in 11th,if take it as so many relation ship with opposite sex

> only by just one planet placement than we lead to a wrong way.

> >

> > In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some indications are

> as Native have mature partner and they love each other a lot,Native's

> second child is very independent and intelligent,Native's younger

> brother have child with good fate and they are also learned,Native's

> maternal grand mother have learned child,Native's father is in education

> professional side with all respect,Native's enemy always in debt,Native

> is so " Dharmik " ,Native himself earn the money from education or teaching

> or from any " Dharmik " sources,

> >

> > Basically if the native in education field than he received lot of

> expansion(gain).He attached with big institutions (Expansion),He have

> mature business partner who have some good institutions.

> >

> > These are my simple observations.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > >

> > > Good that you have learnt by heart what I normally advise. But what

> was

> > > the need at this juncture to remind me my own Golden words, when I

> have

> > > not displayed any action out of line of what I always say. Dosent

> fit

> > > in.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " Sudan "

> > > <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > >

> > > > I have just repeated your words !

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I really do not remember your chart honestly, and neither have

> your

> > > > > birth details at my end. I use a Software which has a Key (Pen

> > > Drive)

> > > > > which has to kept attached always to the PC for the software to

> > > work.

> > > > > Many times during the month when my son wants to sit on my PC

> due to

> > > > > some of his Games loaded on My PC, then I shift either to

> another

> > > pC, or

> > > > > the Laptop, and in that case I have to remove this Key for the

> > > software

> > > > > to work on the other PC or Laptop. When I remove this key, all

> my

> > > Charts

> > > > > and data are lost and the Software is re-set for next use. Since

> I

> > > am

> > > > > not interested in spending time and reading the Software manual

> on

> > > how

> > > > > to save the Old data, I leave this part.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes we should analyse the chart with whole mixture and not with

> one

> > > > > placement. Thanks for this information. I will keep this

> learning in

> > > > > mind.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sudan "

> > > <msbohra62@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have given my practical example to understand what you have

> > > said,we

> > > > > should analyze a chart in whole mixture not by any one

> placement.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Janam Lagana says only outlines of Native.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my chalit Mars and Saturn in 10th house rest are same.You

> know

> > > very

> > > > > well my chart,we have discussed a lot about it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A good observation. Thank You.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Btw how many planets shift to the 12th and the 10th in the

> > > Placidus

> > > > > Bhav

> > > > > > > Chalit and how many remain in the 11th?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Sudan "

> > > > > <msbohra62@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

> > > > > > > planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in

> 11th

> > > > > house in

> > > > > > > Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th

> and

> > > > > > > interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in present

> > > scenario).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Interesting na !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Manoj

> Kumar

> > > > > mouji99@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My

> question

> > > was

> > > > > > > regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses.

> What

> > > will

> > > > > > > Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that Jupiter

> > > himself

> > > > > > > helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other planet.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it

> > > vertical

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it,

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > here

> > > > > > > in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna

> > > also.

> > > > > Or

> > > > > > > say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what

> expansions

> > > > > would it

> > > > > > > bring?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > kiran.rama kiran.rama@

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju

> in

> > > 8th

> > > > > > > house (Saravali)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Effect 1:

> > > > > > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th

> house

> > > > > > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light

> of

> > > the

> > > > > day

> > > > > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Effect 2:

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > > > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > > > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children

> > > (phaladeepika

> > > > > says

> > > > > > > Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this

> case),

> > > > > wealthy

> > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Effect 3:

> > > > > > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not

> > > debilitated

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > detriment here.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So overall good effects

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> Manoj

> > > Kumar

> > > > > > > <mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of

> > > > > expansion

> > > > > > > and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of

> 7th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of

> Jupiter

> > > > > mean.

> > > > > > > Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > Mouji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Dear Bohra Bhai ji,

You have written well. I too must present you with a return Gift as courtesy demands.

"Pake-pakaye ko kya pakana,Khele-khaye ko kya khilana.hum to kuch interesting dekh kar aa gaye,Lagata hai bhai log isis se ukta gaye".

aap se ukta jaayen aise toh hum nahin.

aap pyaar se sar kalam kar do hame gam nahin.

Interesting aage bhi dekhne ko milega hum hain yahin

najar aate rahna, chale jaana nahin aap kahin

"Meri baat ko dil se naa laganaa,Kabhi-khabhi to aate hai,chale jaayenge"

meri bhi bakwaas ko jara bhagaana

main hoon ek aashiq poorana

aap agar yahan se chale jaeenge

toh Khuda kasam hame bahut yaad aayenge.

I enjoyed this one very much.

//aap mere is post se pak gaye ye to sarasar naa insafi hai bhaska bhai.Hamne aap ke kitne post jele hai kyaa bhul gaye ?//

My reply-

Hamaare diye hue Alphonso kha kar aapka toh poora ho gaya kaam !!

hume rakh diya bhooka dekar return mein Langde aam

Aapne toh hamaare nayaab heere post ke roop mein jhele hain

par hamne toh aap ke diye hue toote kaanch ke kanchon se khele hain.!!

Wah wah maja aa gaya na? Bhaskar Mocambo khush hua aaj bahut.

Bhaskar.

, "Sudan" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar Bhai ji,> > > Pake-pakaye ko kya pakana,> Khele-khaye ko kya khilana.> hum to kuch interesting dekh kar aa gaye,> Lagata hai bhai log isis se ukta gaye. > > aap mere is post se pak gaye ye to sarasar naa insafi hai bhaska bhai.Hamne ,aap ke kitne post jele hai kyaa bhul gaye ?> > I have given just other aspects of possibilities which should be observe by only one planet,Jupiter in 11th in Mithun Lagana.Final conclusion should be take n by all supported indication of other placements.> > I am talking with you but my message for the other members of the forum,communication with the forum through you because you are exchanging with me and you are the "center" of this forum.> > Meri baat ko dil se naa laganaa,> Kabhi-khabhi to aate hai,chale jaayenge.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Sudan ji,> > > > //7th lord in 11th,if take it as so many relation ship with opposite sex> > only by> > just one planet placement than we lead to a wrong way.//> > > > In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some indications are> > as Native> > have mature partner and they love each other a lot,Native's second child> > is very> > independent and intelligent,Native's younger brother have child with> > good fate> > and they are also learned,Native's maternal grand mother have learned> > child,Native's father is in education professional side with all> > respect,Native's enemy always in debt,Native is so "Dharmik",Native> > himself earn> > the money from education or teaching or from any "Dharmik" sources,> > > > > > When we are talking about just one planet and its placement as Shri> > Mouji Bhai was asking about, we can then certainly not keep silent just> > because we do not have the positions of the other planets. We were> > expected to speak just about the Jupiter in 11th irrespective of other> > influences. And we dont mean that every person of Gemini Asc. with Jup> > in 11th will have relationships with lots of people from opposite sex.> > We are just talking of a possibility due to this placement.> > > > In same way You cannot predict the following only by just one planet> > placement otherwise you will be led to a wrong way.> > > > > > //In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some indications are> > as Native have mature partner and they love each other a lot,Native's> > second child is very independent and intelligent,Native's younger> > brother have child with good fate and they are also learned,Native's> > maternal grand mother have learned child,Native's father is in education> > professional side with all respect,Native's enemy always in debt,Native> > is so "Dharmik",Native himself earn the money from education or teaching> > or from any "Dharmik" sources//> > > > Ab aur mat pakaana Bhai. Dimaag ka dahi mat banao. aapko mera dimaag> > pasand hai toh Bheja fry kar ke mera bhej deta hoon. Par ab baksh> > do.Kitna discuss karte ho. Kahin toh seema rakho.> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > , "Sudan" <msbohra62@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > >> > > It was in response to "Yes we should analyse the chart with whole> > mixture and not with one placement. Thanks for this information. I will> > keep this learning in mind."> > >> > > I am in your support that we should not take as it is what have been> > written in "Saravali","Uttarakalamrit","Chmatkar-Chintamani",etc.We have> > to take the essence and understand what have been said and in which> > content.> > >> > > 7th lord in 11th,if take it as so many relation ship with opposite sex> > only by just one planet placement than we lead to a wrong way.> > >> > > In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some indications are> > as Native have mature partner and they love each other a lot,Native's> > second child is very independent and intelligent,Native's younger> > brother have child with good fate and they are also learned,Native's> > maternal grand mother have learned child,Native's father is in education> > professional side with all respect,Native's enemy always in debt,Native> > is so "Dharmik",Native himself earn the money from education or teaching> > or from any "Dharmik" sources,> > >> > > Basically if the native in education field than he received lot of> > expansion(gain).He attached with big institutions (Expansion),He have> > mature business partner who have some good institutions.> > >> > > These are my simple observations.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > > >> > > > Good that you have learnt by heart what I normally advise. But what> > was> > > > the need at this juncture to remind me my own Golden words, when I> > have> > > > not displayed any action out of line of what I always say. Dosent> > fit> > > > in.> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Sudan"> > > > <msbohra62@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > >> > > > > I have just repeated your words !> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I really do not remember your chart honestly, and neither have> > your> > > > > > birth details at my end. I use a Software which has a Key (Pen> > > > Drive)> > > > > > which has to kept attached always to the PC for the software to> > > > work.> > > > > > Many times during the month when my son wants to sit on my PC> > due to> > > > > > some of his Games loaded on My PC, then I shift either to> > another> > > > pC, or> > > > > > the Laptop, and in that case I have to remove this Key for the> > > > software> > > > > > to work on the other PC or Laptop. When I remove this key, all> > my> > > > Charts> > > > > > and data are lost and the Software is re-set for next use. Since> > I> > > > am> > > > > > not interested in spending time and reading the Software manual> > on> > > > how> > > > > > to save the Old data, I leave this part.> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes we should analyse the chart with whole mixture and not with> > one> > > > > > placement. Thanks for this information. I will keep this> > learning in> > > > > > mind.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Sudan"> > > > <msbohra62@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have given my practical example to understand what you have> > > > said,we> > > > > > should analyze a chart in whole mixture not by any one> > placement.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Janam Lagana says only outlines of Native.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In my chalit Mars and Saturn in 10th house rest are same.You> > know> > > > very> > > > > > well my chart,we have discussed a lot about it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > A good observation. Thank You.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Btw how many planets shift to the 12th and the 10th in the> > > > Placidus> > > > > > Bhav> > > > > > > > Chalit and how many remain in the 11th?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "Sudan"> > > > > > <msbohra62@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Mouji Ram ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven> > > > > > > > planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in> > 11th> > > > > > house in> > > > > > > > Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th> > and> > > > > > > > interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in present> > > > scenario).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Interesting na !> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , Manoj> > Kumar> > > > > > mouji99@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My> > question> > > > was> > > > > > > > regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses.> > What> > > > will> > > > > > > > Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that Jupiter> > > > himself> > > > > > > > helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other planet.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it> > > > vertical> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it,> > > > Jupiter> > > > > > here> > > > > > > > in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna> > > > also.> > > > > > Or> > > > > > > > say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what> > expansions> > > > > > would it> > > > > > > > bring?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > kiran.rama kiran.rama@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM> > > > > > > > > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju> > in> > > > 8th> > > > > > > > house (Saravali)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Effect 1:> > > > > > > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th> > house> > > > > > > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light> > of> > > > the> > > > > > day> > > > > > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Effect 2:> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 11H;> > > > > > > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H> > > > > > > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children> > > > (phaladeepika> > > > > > says> > > > > > > > Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this> > case),> > > > > > wealthy> > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Effect 3:> > > > > > > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not> > > > debilitated> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > detriment here.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So overall good effects> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Manoj> > > > Kumar> > > > > > > > <mouji99@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of> > > > > > expansion> > > > > > > > and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of> > 7th> > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of> > Jupiter> > > > > > mean.> > > > > > > > Say for Mithuna lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > Mouji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

April 17, 2010

Dear Bhaskar Bhai ji,

" " Hamaare diye hue Alphonso kha kar aapka toh poora ho gaya kaam !!

hume rakh diya bhooka dekar return mein Langde aam

Aapne toh hamaare nayaab heere post ke roop mein jhele hain

par hamne toh aap ke diye hue toote kaanch ke kanchon se khele hain.!! " "

My reply :-

Bade badai na kare bade na bole bol,

Rahiman heera kab kahe lakh takka mera mol.

ye to hamari* najar ka asar hai,

ki husan tera mahak utha,

Nahi to yu hi kho jate gumnaam galiyo me.

hamne to kaanch ke kanche de de kar heere banaye hai,

Langade aam ki guthaliyo se hapoose or Alphonso ugaaye hai,

kuch to hamari kabiliyat thi ki hamne heere or Alphonso paye hai,

marwadi ho,achche marwadi sodagro ki kuch to tarif karo.

* All forum members.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra Bhai ji, You have written well. I too must present you with

> a return Gift as courtesy demands. " Pake-pakaye ko kya pakana,

> Khele-khaye ko kya khilana.

> hum to kuch interesting dekh kar aa gaye,

> Lagata hai bhai log isis se ukta gaye " . aap se ukta jaayen aise toh

> hum nahin. aap pyaar se sar kalam kar do hame gam nahin. Interesting

> aage bhi dekhne ko milega hum hain yahin najar aate rahna, chale jaana

> nahin aap kahin " Meri baat ko dil se naa laganaa,

> Kabhi-khabhi to aate hai,chale jaayenge " meri bhi bakwaas ko jara

> bhagaana main hoon ek aashiq poorana aap agar yahan se chale jaeenge

> toh Khuda kasam hame bahut yaad aayenge.

> I enjoyed this one very much.

>

> //aap mere is post se pak gaye ye to sarasar naa insafi hai bhaska

> bhai.Hamne aap ke kitne post jele hai kyaa bhul gaye ?//

>

> My reply-

>

> Hamaare diye hue Alphonso kha kar aapka toh poora ho gaya kaam !!

>

> hume rakh diya bhooka dekar return mein Langde aam

>

> Aapne toh hamaare nayaab heere post ke roop mein jhele hain

>

> par hamne toh aap ke diye hue toote kaanch ke kanchon se khele hain.!!

>

> Wah wah maja aa gaya na? Bhaskar Mocambo khush hua aaj bahut.

>

> Bhaskar.

, " Sudan " <msbohra62@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Bhai ji,

> >

> > Pake-pakaye ko kya pakana,

> > Khele-khaye ko kya khilana.

> > hum to kuch interesting dekh kar aa gaye,

> > Lagata hai bhai log isis se ukta gaye.

> >

> > aap mere is post se pak gaye ye to sarasar naa insafi hai bhaska

> bhai.Hamne ,aap ke kitne post jele hai kyaa bhul gaye ?

> >

> > I have given just other aspects of possibilities which should be

> observe by only one planet,Jupiter in 11th in Mithun Lagana.Final

> conclusion should be take n by all supported indication of other

> placements.

> >

> > I am talking with you but my message for the other members of the

> forum,communication with the forum through you because you are

> exchanging with me and you are the " center " of this forum.

> >

> > Meri baat ko dil se naa laganaa,

> > Kabhi-khabhi to aate hai,chale jaayenge.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sudan ji,

> > >

> > > //7th lord in 11th,if take it as so many relation ship with opposite

> sex

> > > only by

> > > just one planet placement than we lead to a wrong way.//

> > >

> > > In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some indications

> are

> > > as Native

> > > have mature partner and they love each other a lot,Native's second

> child

> > > is very

> > > independent and intelligent,Native's younger brother have child with

> > > good fate

> > > and they are also learned,Native's maternal grand mother have

> learned

> > > child,Native's father is in education professional side with all

> > > respect,Native's enemy always in debt,Native is so " Dharmik " ,Native

> > > himself earn

> > > the money from education or teaching or from any " Dharmik " sources,

> > >

> > > When we are talking about just one planet and its placement as Shri

> > > Mouji Bhai was asking about, we can then certainly not keep silent

> just

> > > because we do not have the positions of the other planets. We were

> > > expected to speak just about the Jupiter in 11th irrespective of

> other

> > > influences. And we dont mean that every person of Gemini Asc. with

> Jup

> > > in 11th will have relationships with lots of people from opposite

> sex.

> > > We are just talking of a possibility due to this placement.

> > >

> > > In same way You cannot predict the following only by just one planet

> > > placement otherwise you will be led to a wrong way.

> > >

> > > //In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some indications

> are

> > > as Native have mature partner and they love each other a

> lot,Native's

> > > second child is very independent and intelligent,Native's younger

> > > brother have child with good fate and they are also learned,Native's

> > > maternal grand mother have learned child,Native's father is in

> education

> > > professional side with all respect,Native's enemy always in

> debt,Native

> > > is so " Dharmik " ,Native himself earn the money from education or

> teaching

> > > or from any " Dharmik " sources//

> > >

> > > Ab aur mat pakaana Bhai. Dimaag ka dahi mat banao. aapko mera dimaag

> > > pasand hai toh Bheja fry kar ke mera bhej deta hoon. Par ab baksh

> > > do.Kitna discuss karte ho. Kahin toh seema rakho.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " Sudan "

> <msbohra62@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > >

> > > > It was in response to " Yes we should analyse the chart with whole

> > > mixture and not with one placement. Thanks for this information. I

> will

> > > keep this learning in mind. "

> > > >

> > > > I am in your support that we should not take as it is what have

> been

> > > written in " Saravali " , " Uttarakalamrit " , " Chmatkar-Chintamani " ,etc.We

> have

> > > to take the essence and understand what have been said and in which

> > > content.

> > > >

> > > > 7th lord in 11th,if take it as so many relation ship with opposite

> sex

> > > only by just one planet placement than we lead to a wrong way.

> > > >

> > > > In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some indications

> are

> > > as Native have mature partner and they love each other a

> lot,Native's

> > > second child is very independent and intelligent,Native's younger

> > > brother have child with good fate and they are also learned,Native's

> > > maternal grand mother have learned child,Native's father is in

> education

> > > professional side with all respect,Native's enemy always in

> debt,Native

> > > is so " Dharmik " ,Native himself earn the money from education or

> teaching

> > > or from any " Dharmik " sources,

> > > >

> > > > Basically if the native in education field than he received lot of

> > > expansion(gain).He attached with big institutions (Expansion),He

> have

> > > mature business partner who have some good institutions.

> > > >

> > > > These are my simple observations.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Good that you have learnt by heart what I normally advise. But

> what

> > > was

> > > > > the need at this juncture to remind me my own Golden words, when

> I

> > > have

> > > > > not displayed any action out of line of what I always say.

> Dosent

> > > fit

> > > > > in.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sudan "

> > > > > <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have just repeated your words !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I really do not remember your chart honestly, and neither

> have

> > > your

> > > > > > > birth details at my end. I use a Software which has a Key

> (Pen

> > > > > Drive)

> > > > > > > which has to kept attached always to the PC for the software

> to

> > > > > work.

> > > > > > > Many times during the month when my son wants to sit on my

> PC

> > > due to

> > > > > > > some of his Games loaded on My PC, then I shift either to

> > > another

> > > > > pC, or

> > > > > > > the Laptop, and in that case I have to remove this Key for

> the

> > > > > software

> > > > > > > to work on the other PC or Laptop. When I remove this key,

> all

> > > my

> > > > > Charts

> > > > > > > and data are lost and the Software is re-set for next use.

> Since

> > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > not interested in spending time and reading the Software

> manual

> > > on

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > to save the Old data, I leave this part.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes we should analyse the chart with whole mixture and not

> with

> > > one

> > > > > > > placement. Thanks for this information. I will keep this

> > > learning in

> > > > > > > mind.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Sudan "

> > > > > <msbohra62@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have given my practical example to understand what you

> have

> > > > > said,we

> > > > > > > should analyze a chart in whole mixture not by any one

> > > placement.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Janam Lagana says only outlines of Native.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my chalit Mars and Saturn in 10th house rest are

> same.You

> > > know

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > well my chart,we have discussed a lot about it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A good observation. Thank You.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Btw how many planets shift to the 12th and the 10th in

> the

> > > > > Placidus

> > > > > > > Bhav

> > > > > > > > > Chalit and how many remain in the 11th?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Sudan "

> > > > > > > <msbohra62@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

> > > > > > > > > planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun )

> in

> > > 11th

> > > > > > > house in

> > > > > > > > > Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in

> 12th

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in present

> > > > > scenario).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Interesting na !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , Manoj

> > > Kumar

> > > > > > > mouji99@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My

> > > question

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya

> houses.

> > > What

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that

> Jupiter

> > > > > himself

> > > > > > > > > helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other

> planet.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be

> it

> > > > > vertical

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to

> it,

> > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > > in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya

> Lagna

> > > > > also.

> > > > > > > Or

> > > > > > > > > say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what

> > > expansions

> > > > > > > would it

> > > > > > > > > bring?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > > kiran.rama kiran.rama@

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Ve vs. Me

> vs. Ju

> > > in

> > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > house (Saravali)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Effect 1:

> > > > > > > > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th

> > > house

> > > > > > > > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can

> mean

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the

> light

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Effect 2:

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > > > > > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > > > > > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children

> > > > > (phaladeepika

> > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this

> > > case),

> > > > > > > wealthy

> > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Effect 3:

> > > > > > > > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not

> > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > detriment here.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So overall good effects

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > Manoj

> > > > > Kumar

> > > > > > > > > <mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses

> of

> > > > > > > expansion

> > > > > > > > > and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as

> lord of

> > > 7th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > mean.

> > > > > > > > > Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mouji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Dear Bohra Bhai ji,

You have been served with Alphonsos and diamonds is the respect and

affections you have been served from me, which is also known as " aapki

kadar karna " . This proves that I value you more than myself.

You may be a good Saudagaar undoubetdly but I too am a good Baajigaar.

Now we will end this thread over here, otherwise because of me You also

will be thrown out alongwith me. And you are a good sauda not worth

loosing. Hamaara kya hai, ham toh hawa ke jhonke se bhi udaa diye jaaten

hain.

Love and regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Sudan " <msbohra62

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar Bhai ji,

>

> " " Hamaare diye hue Alphonso kha kar aapka toh poora ho gaya kaam !!

>

> hume rakh diya bhooka dekar return mein Langde aam

>

> Aapne toh hamaare nayaab heere post ke roop mein jhele hain

>

> par hamne toh aap ke diye hue toote kaanch ke kanchon se khele

hain.!! " "

>

> My reply :-

>

> Bade badai na kare bade na bole bol,

> Rahiman heera kab kahe lakh takka mera mol.

>

> ye to hamari* najar ka asar hai,

> ki husan tera mahak utha,

> Nahi to yu hi kho jate gumnaam galiyo me.

>

> hamne to kaanch ke kanche de de kar heere banaye hai,

> Langade aam ki guthaliyo se hapoose or Alphonso ugaaye hai,

> kuch to hamari kabiliyat thi ki hamne heere or Alphonso paye hai,

> marwadi ho,achche marwadi sodagro ki kuch to tarif karo.

>

> * All forum members.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohra Bhai ji, You have written well. I too must present you

with

> > a return Gift as courtesy demands. " Pake-pakaye ko kya pakana,

> > Khele-khaye ko kya khilana.

> > hum to kuch interesting dekh kar aa gaye,

> > Lagata hai bhai log isis se ukta gaye " . aap se ukta jaayen aise toh

> > hum nahin. aap pyaar se sar kalam kar do hame gam nahin. Interesting

> > aage bhi dekhne ko milega hum hain yahin najar aate rahna, chale

jaana

> > nahin aap kahin " Meri baat ko dil se naa laganaa,

> > Kabhi-khabhi to aate hai,chale jaayenge " meri bhi bakwaas ko jara

> > bhagaana main hoon ek aashiq poorana aap agar yahan se chale jaeenge

> > toh Khuda kasam hame bahut yaad aayenge.

> > I enjoyed this one very much.

> >

> > //aap mere is post se pak gaye ye to sarasar naa insafi hai bhaska

> > bhai.Hamne aap ke kitne post jele hai kyaa bhul gaye ?//

> >

> > My reply-

> >

> > Hamaare diye hue Alphonso kha kar aapka toh poora ho gaya kaam !!

> >

> > hume rakh diya bhooka dekar return mein Langde aam

> >

> > Aapne toh hamaare nayaab heere post ke roop mein jhele hain

> >

> > par hamne toh aap ke diye hue toote kaanch ke kanchon se khele

hain.!!

> >

> > Wah wah maja aa gaya na? Bhaskar Mocambo khush hua aaj bahut.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Sudan "

<msbohra62@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai ji,

> > >

> > > Pake-pakaye ko kya pakana,

> > > Khele-khaye ko kya khilana.

> > > hum to kuch interesting dekh kar aa gaye,

> > > Lagata hai bhai log isis se ukta gaye.

> > >

> > > aap mere is post se pak gaye ye to sarasar naa insafi hai bhaska

> > bhai.Hamne ,aap ke kitne post jele hai kyaa bhul gaye ?

> > >

> > > I have given just other aspects of possibilities which should be

> > observe by only one planet,Jupiter in 11th in Mithun Lagana.Final

> > conclusion should be take n by all supported indication of other

> > placements.

> > >

> > > I am talking with you but my message for the other members of the

> > forum,communication with the forum through you because you are

> > exchanging with me and you are the " center " of this forum.

> > >

> > > Meri baat ko dil se naa laganaa,

> > > Kabhi-khabhi to aate hai,chale jaayenge.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sudan ji,

> > > >

> > > > //7th lord in 11th,if take it as so many relation ship with

opposite

> > sex

> > > > only by

> > > > just one planet placement than we lead to a wrong way.//

> > > >

> > > > In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some

indications

> > are

> > > > as Native

> > > > have mature partner and they love each other a lot,Native's

second

> > child

> > > > is very

> > > > independent and intelligent,Native's younger brother have child

with

> > > > good fate

> > > > and they are also learned,Native's maternal grand mother have

> > learned

> > > > child,Native's father is in education professional side with all

> > > > respect,Native's enemy always in debt,Native is so

" Dharmik " ,Native

> > > > himself earn

> > > > the money from education or teaching or from any " Dharmik "

sources,

> > > >

> > > > When we are talking about just one planet and its placement as

Shri

> > > > Mouji Bhai was asking about, we can then certainly not keep

silent

> > just

> > > > because we do not have the positions of the other planets. We

were

> > > > expected to speak just about the Jupiter in 11th irrespective of

> > other

> > > > influences. And we dont mean that every person of Gemini Asc.

with

> > Jup

> > > > in 11th will have relationships with lots of people from

opposite

> > sex.

> > > > We are just talking of a possibility due to this placement.

> > > >

> > > > In same way You cannot predict the following only by just one

planet

> > > > placement otherwise you will be led to a wrong way.

> > > >

> > > > //In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some

indications

> > are

> > > > as Native have mature partner and they love each other a

> > lot,Native's

> > > > second child is very independent and intelligent,Native's

younger

> > > > brother have child with good fate and they are also

learned,Native's

> > > > maternal grand mother have learned child,Native's father is in

> > education

> > > > professional side with all respect,Native's enemy always in

> > debt,Native

> > > > is so " Dharmik " ,Native himself earn the money from education or

> > teaching

> > > > or from any " Dharmik " sources//

> > > >

> > > > Ab aur mat pakaana Bhai. Dimaag ka dahi mat banao. aapko mera

dimaag

> > > > pasand hai toh Bheja fry kar ke mera bhej deta hoon. Par ab

baksh

> > > > do.Kitna discuss karte ho. Kahin toh seema rakho.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " Sudan "

> > <msbohra62@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > It was in response to " Yes we should analyse the chart with

whole

> > > > mixture and not with one placement. Thanks for this information.

I

> > will

> > > > keep this learning in mind. "

> > > > >

> > > > > I am in your support that we should not take as it is what

have

> > been

> > > > written in

" Saravali " , " Uttarakalamrit " , " Chmatkar-Chintamani " ,etc.We

> > have

> > > > to take the essence and understand what have been said and in

which

> > > > content.

> > > > >

> > > > > 7th lord in 11th,if take it as so many relation ship with

opposite

> > sex

> > > > only by just one planet placement than we lead to a wrong way.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some

indications

> > are

> > > > as Native have mature partner and they love each other a

> > lot,Native's

> > > > second child is very independent and intelligent,Native's

younger

> > > > brother have child with good fate and they are also

learned,Native's

> > > > maternal grand mother have learned child,Native's father is in

> > education

> > > > professional side with all respect,Native's enemy always in

> > debt,Native

> > > > is so " Dharmik " ,Native himself earn the money from education or

> > teaching

> > > > or from any " Dharmik " sources,

> > > > >

> > > > > Basically if the native in education field than he received

lot of

> > > > expansion(gain).He attached with big institutions (Expansion),He

> > have

> > > > mature business partner who have some good institutions.

> > > > >

> > > > > These are my simple observations.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good that you have learnt by heart what I normally advise.

But

> > what

> > > > was

> > > > > > the need at this juncture to remind me my own Golden words,

when

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > not displayed any action out of line of what I always say.

> > Dosent

> > > > fit

> > > > > > in.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Sudan "

> > > > > > <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have just repeated your words !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I really do not remember your chart honestly, and

neither

> > have

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > birth details at my end. I use a Software which has a

Key

> > (Pen

> > > > > > Drive)

> > > > > > > > which has to kept attached always to the PC for the

software

> > to

> > > > > > work.

> > > > > > > > Many times during the month when my son wants to sit on

my

> > PC

> > > > due to

> > > > > > > > some of his Games loaded on My PC, then I shift either

to

> > > > another

> > > > > > pC, or

> > > > > > > > the Laptop, and in that case I have to remove this Key

for

> > the

> > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > to work on the other PC or Laptop. When I remove this

key,

> > all

> > > > my

> > > > > > Charts

> > > > > > > > and data are lost and the Software is re-set for next

use.

> > Since

> > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > not interested in spending time and reading the Software

> > manual

> > > > on

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > to save the Old data, I leave this part.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes we should analyse the chart with whole mixture and

not

> > with

> > > > one

> > > > > > > > placement. Thanks for this information. I will keep this

> > > > learning in

> > > > > > > > mind.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Sudan "

> > > > > > <msbohra62@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have given my practical example to understand what

you

> > have

> > > > > > said,we

> > > > > > > > should analyze a chart in whole mixture not by any one

> > > > placement.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Janam Lagana says only outlines of Native.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In my chalit Mars and Saturn in 10th house rest are

> > same.You

> > > > know

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > well my chart,we have discussed a lot about it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

" Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A good observation. Thank You.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Btw how many planets shift to the 12th and the 10th

in

> > the

> > > > > > Placidus

> > > > > > > > Bhav

> > > > > > > > > > Chalit and how many remain in the 11th?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

" Sudan "

> > > > > > > > <msbohra62@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

> > > > > > > > > > planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and

Sun )

> > in

> > > > 11th

> > > > > > > > house in

> > > > > > > > > > Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I

have ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is

in

> > 12th

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in

present

> > > > > > scenario).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Interesting na !

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

Manoj

> > > > Kumar

> > > > > > > > mouji99@

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands.

My

> > > > question

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya

> > houses.

> > > > What

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that

> > Jupiter

> > > > > > himself

> > > > > > > > > > helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other

> > planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions,

be

> > it

> > > > > > vertical

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension

to

> > it,

> > > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > > > in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take

Kanya

> > Lagna

> > > > > > also.

> > > > > > > > Or

> > > > > > > > > > say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what

> > > > expansions

> > > > > > > > would it

> > > > > > > > > > bring?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > > > kiran.rama kiran.rama@

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Ve vs.

Me

> > vs. Ju

> > > > in

> > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > house (Saravali)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Effect 1:

> > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means

11th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This

can

> > mean

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the

> > light

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long

journeys'

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Effect 2:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > > > > > > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children

> > > > > > (phaladeepika

> > > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > > Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in

this

> > > > case),

> > > > > > > > wealthy

> > > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Effect 3:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is

not

> > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > detriment here.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So overall good effects

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com,

> > > > Manoj

> > > > > > Kumar

> > > > > > > > > > <mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are

houses

> > of

> > > > > > > > expansion

> > > > > > > > > > and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as

> > lord of

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > goes to 11th house and now what would this placement

of

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > mean.

> > > > > > > > > > Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mouji

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Dear Bhaskar ji,

I really like you and respect you because you are clear hart person.

" Fakiri-andaaj " is plus point.

Now stopping here from my side also.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra Bhai ji,

>

> You have been served with Alphonsos and diamonds is the respect and

> affections you have been served from me, which is also known as " aapki

> kadar karna " . This proves that I value you more than myself.

>

> You may be a good Saudagaar undoubetdly but I too am a good Baajigaar.

>

> Now we will end this thread over here, otherwise because of me You also

> will be thrown out alongwith me. And you are a good sauda not worth

> loosing. Hamaara kya hai, ham toh hawa ke jhonke se bhi udaa diye jaaten

> hain.

>

> Love and regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Sudan " <msbohra62@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Bhai ji,

> >

> > " " Hamaare diye hue Alphonso kha kar aapka toh poora ho gaya kaam !!

> >

> > hume rakh diya bhooka dekar return mein Langde aam

> >

> > Aapne toh hamaare nayaab heere post ke roop mein jhele hain

> >

> > par hamne toh aap ke diye hue toote kaanch ke kanchon se khele

> hain.!! " "

> >

> > My reply :-

> >

> > Bade badai na kare bade na bole bol,

> > Rahiman heera kab kahe lakh takka mera mol.

> >

> > ye to hamari* najar ka asar hai,

> > ki husan tera mahak utha,

> > Nahi to yu hi kho jate gumnaam galiyo me.

> >

> > hamne to kaanch ke kanche de de kar heere banaye hai,

> > Langade aam ki guthaliyo se hapoose or Alphonso ugaaye hai,

> > kuch to hamari kabiliyat thi ki hamne heere or Alphonso paye hai,

> > marwadi ho,achche marwadi sodagro ki kuch to tarif karo.

> >

> > * All forum members.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bohra Bhai ji, You have written well. I too must present you

> with

> > > a return Gift as courtesy demands. " Pake-pakaye ko kya pakana,

> > > Khele-khaye ko kya khilana.

> > > hum to kuch interesting dekh kar aa gaye,

> > > Lagata hai bhai log isis se ukta gaye " . aap se ukta jaayen aise toh

> > > hum nahin. aap pyaar se sar kalam kar do hame gam nahin. Interesting

> > > aage bhi dekhne ko milega hum hain yahin najar aate rahna, chale

> jaana

> > > nahin aap kahin " Meri baat ko dil se naa laganaa,

> > > Kabhi-khabhi to aate hai,chale jaayenge " meri bhi bakwaas ko jara

> > > bhagaana main hoon ek aashiq poorana aap agar yahan se chale jaeenge

> > > toh Khuda kasam hame bahut yaad aayenge.

> > > I enjoyed this one very much.

> > >

> > > //aap mere is post se pak gaye ye to sarasar naa insafi hai bhaska

> > > bhai.Hamne aap ke kitne post jele hai kyaa bhul gaye ?//

> > >

> > > My reply-

> > >

> > > Hamaare diye hue Alphonso kha kar aapka toh poora ho gaya kaam !!

> > >

> > > hume rakh diya bhooka dekar return mein Langde aam

> > >

> > > Aapne toh hamaare nayaab heere post ke roop mein jhele hain

> > >

> > > par hamne toh aap ke diye hue toote kaanch ke kanchon se khele

> hain.!!

> > >

> > > Wah wah maja aa gaya na? Bhaskar Mocambo khush hua aaj bahut.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " Sudan "

> <msbohra62@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai ji,

> > > >

> > > > Pake-pakaye ko kya pakana,

> > > > Khele-khaye ko kya khilana.

> > > > hum to kuch interesting dekh kar aa gaye,

> > > > Lagata hai bhai log isis se ukta gaye.

> > > >

> > > > aap mere is post se pak gaye ye to sarasar naa insafi hai bhaska

> > > bhai.Hamne ,aap ke kitne post jele hai kyaa bhul gaye ?

> > > >

> > > > I have given just other aspects of possibilities which should be

> > > observe by only one planet,Jupiter in 11th in Mithun Lagana.Final

> > > conclusion should be take n by all supported indication of other

> > > placements.

> > > >

> > > > I am talking with you but my message for the other members of the

> > > forum,communication with the forum through you because you are

> > > exchanging with me and you are the " center " of this forum.

> > > >

> > > > Meri baat ko dil se naa laganaa,

> > > > Kabhi-khabhi to aate hai,chale jaayenge.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sudan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > //7th lord in 11th,if take it as so many relation ship with

> opposite

> > > sex

> > > > > only by

> > > > > just one planet placement than we lead to a wrong way.//

> > > > >

> > > > > In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some

> indications

> > > are

> > > > > as Native

> > > > > have mature partner and they love each other a lot,Native's

> second

> > > child

> > > > > is very

> > > > > independent and intelligent,Native's younger brother have child

> with

> > > > > good fate

> > > > > and they are also learned,Native's maternal grand mother have

> > > learned

> > > > > child,Native's father is in education professional side with all

> > > > > respect,Native's enemy always in debt,Native is so

> " Dharmik " ,Native

> > > > > himself earn

> > > > > the money from education or teaching or from any " Dharmik "

> sources,

> > > > >

> > > > > When we are talking about just one planet and its placement as

> Shri

> > > > > Mouji Bhai was asking about, we can then certainly not keep

> silent

> > > just

> > > > > because we do not have the positions of the other planets. We

> were

> > > > > expected to speak just about the Jupiter in 11th irrespective of

> > > other

> > > > > influences. And we dont mean that every person of Gemini Asc.

> with

> > > Jup

> > > > > in 11th will have relationships with lots of people from

> opposite

> > > sex.

> > > > > We are just talking of a possibility due to this placement.

> > > > >

> > > > > In same way You cannot predict the following only by just one

> planet

> > > > > placement otherwise you will be led to a wrong way.

> > > > >

> > > > > //In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some

> indications

> > > are

> > > > > as Native have mature partner and they love each other a

> > > lot,Native's

> > > > > second child is very independent and intelligent,Native's

> younger

> > > > > brother have child with good fate and they are also

> learned,Native's

> > > > > maternal grand mother have learned child,Native's father is in

> > > education

> > > > > professional side with all respect,Native's enemy always in

> > > debt,Native

> > > > > is so " Dharmik " ,Native himself earn the money from education or

> > > teaching

> > > > > or from any " Dharmik " sources//

> > > > >

> > > > > Ab aur mat pakaana Bhai. Dimaag ka dahi mat banao. aapko mera

> dimaag

> > > > > pasand hai toh Bheja fry kar ke mera bhej deta hoon. Par ab

> baksh

> > > > > do.Kitna discuss karte ho. Kahin toh seema rakho.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sudan "

> > > <msbohra62@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It was in response to " Yes we should analyse the chart with

> whole

> > > > > mixture and not with one placement. Thanks for this information.

> I

> > > will

> > > > > keep this learning in mind. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am in your support that we should not take as it is what

> have

> > > been

> > > > > written in

> " Saravali " , " Uttarakalamrit " , " Chmatkar-Chintamani " ,etc.We

> > > have

> > > > > to take the essence and understand what have been said and in

> which

> > > > > content.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7th lord in 11th,if take it as so many relation ship with

> opposite

> > > sex

> > > > > only by just one planet placement than we lead to a wrong way.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some

> indications

> > > are

> > > > > as Native have mature partner and they love each other a

> > > lot,Native's

> > > > > second child is very independent and intelligent,Native's

> younger

> > > > > brother have child with good fate and they are also

> learned,Native's

> > > > > maternal grand mother have learned child,Native's father is in

> > > education

> > > > > professional side with all respect,Native's enemy always in

> > > debt,Native

> > > > > is so " Dharmik " ,Native himself earn the money from education or

> > > teaching

> > > > > or from any " Dharmik " sources,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Basically if the native in education field than he received

> lot of

> > > > > expansion(gain).He attached with big institutions (Expansion),He

> > > have

> > > > > mature business partner who have some good institutions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > These are my simple observations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good that you have learnt by heart what I normally advise.

> But

> > > what

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > the need at this juncture to remind me my own Golden words,

> when

> > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > not displayed any action out of line of what I always say.

> > > Dosent

> > > > > fit

> > > > > > > in.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Sudan "

> > > > > > > <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have just repeated your words !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I really do not remember your chart honestly, and

> neither

> > > have

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > birth details at my end. I use a Software which has a

> Key

> > > (Pen

> > > > > > > Drive)

> > > > > > > > > which has to kept attached always to the PC for the

> software

> > > to

> > > > > > > work.

> > > > > > > > > Many times during the month when my son wants to sit on

> my

> > > PC

> > > > > due to

> > > > > > > > > some of his Games loaded on My PC, then I shift either

> to

> > > > > another

> > > > > > > pC, or

> > > > > > > > > the Laptop, and in that case I have to remove this Key

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > > to work on the other PC or Laptop. When I remove this

> key,

> > > all

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > Charts

> > > > > > > > > and data are lost and the Software is re-set for next

> use.

> > > Since

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > not interested in spending time and reading the Software

> > > manual

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > to save the Old data, I leave this part.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes we should analyse the chart with whole mixture and

> not

> > > with

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > placement. Thanks for this information. I will keep this

> > > > > learning in

> > > > > > > > > mind.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Sudan "

> > > > > > > <msbohra62@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have given my practical example to understand what

> you

> > > have

> > > > > > > said,we

> > > > > > > > > should analyze a chart in whole mixture not by any one

> > > > > placement.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Janam Lagana says only outlines of Native.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In my chalit Mars and Saturn in 10th house rest are

> > > same.You

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > well my chart,we have discussed a lot about it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A good observation. Thank You.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Btw how many planets shift to the 12th and the 10th

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > Placidus

> > > > > > > > > Bhav

> > > > > > > > > > > Chalit and how many remain in the 11th?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " Sudan "

> > > > > > > > > <msbohra62@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

> > > > > > > > > > > planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and

> Sun )

> > > in

> > > > > 11th

> > > > > > > > > house in

> > > > > > > > > > > Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I

> have ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is

> in

> > > 12th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in

> present

> > > > > > > scenario).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting na !

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> Manoj

> > > > > Kumar

> > > > > > > > > mouji99@

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands.

> My

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya

> > > houses.

> > > > > What

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > himself

> > > > > > > > > > > helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other

> > > planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions,

> be

> > > it

> > > > > > > vertical

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension

> to

> > > it,

> > > > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > > > > in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take

> Kanya

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > also.

> > > > > > > > > Or

> > > > > > > > > > > say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what

> > > > > expansions

> > > > > > > > > would it

> > > > > > > > > > > bring?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kiran.rama kiran.rama@

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Ve vs.

> Me

> > > vs. Ju

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > house (Saravali)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Effect 1:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means

> 11th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This

> can

> > > mean

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the

> > > light

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long

> journeys'

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Effect 2:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children

> > > > > > > (phaladeepika

> > > > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > > > Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in

> this

> > > > > case),

> > > > > > > > > wealthy

> > > > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Effect 3:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is

> not

> > > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > detriment here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So overall good effects

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com,

> > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > > Kumar

> > > > > > > > > > > <mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are

> houses

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > expansion

> > > > > > > > > > > and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as

> > > lord of

> > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > goes to 11th house and now what would this placement

> of

> > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > mean.

> > > > > > > > > > > Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mouji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Dear Amit ji,

//Here Jupiter is also 10th lord so point, is he having problems in his career

matters too?//

Not really.....but he is away from home & family.

blessings,

Renu

, amit desai <amitwho wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji

> from your eg. and i have been observing on regular basis that, when any house

or planet are under joint influence of Mars and Saturn as in your eg. usually

ill luck about the house and planet is experienced by the native.

> As in your eg. jupiter as 7th lord in 11th house is jointly aspected by Saturn

and Mars, here native is likely to get unsatisfactory results regarding 7th

house (spouse in general) and 11th house for long term relationship. However

this shall be true to all Lagna rasi.

> Here Jupiter is also 10th lord so point, is he having problems in his career

matters too?

> Â Amit Desai

>

> ________________________________

> renunw <renunw

>

> Sat, April 17, 2010 12:32:12 AM

> Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house

(Saravali)

>

> Â

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter is placed in

11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is retrograde. Besides

Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on this Ju. The native is married to a

girl 14 years younger to him. Now he has an extra marital relationship with a

girl 22 years younger to him! Is this the work of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th

house?

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and

requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th

house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > Â

> > regards,

> > Â

> > Mouji

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Dear Bhaskar ji,

It is a shame to carry on with a very young girl when he is the father of two

girls, the youngest reaching 3 months and the older girl just 5 years old!

Besides the wife used to dote on him...but doubt if it is the same any more...

blessings,

Renu

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Good observations. Whenever Mars and Saturn jointly influence (Aspect) a

> house, one may consider it as gone and lost.

>

> Not only Mars is aspecting Jupiter who is the 7th Lord, but also the 7th

> House.

>

> Now I dont think that this friendship of his with a much younger girl,

> is caused due to retro Jupiter This could be in fact the handiwork of

> Mars. Mars is the Lord of the 6th house, therefore will break the 7th

> house significations being 12th Lord from the 7th house. Furthermore

> Mars and Saturn both contribute to spoiling the 11th house of

> friendships.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , amit desai

> <amitwho@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renuji

> > from your eg. and i have been observing on regular basis that, when

> any house or planet are under joint influence of Mars and Saturn as in

> your eg. usually ill luck about the house and planet is experienced by

> the native.

> > As in your eg. jupiter as 7th lord in 11th house is jointly aspected

> by Saturn and Mars, here native is likely to get unsatisfactory results

> regarding 7th house (spouse in general) and 11th house for long term

> relationship. However this shall be true to all Lagna rasi.

> > Here Jupiter is also 10th lord so point, is he having problems in his

> career matters too?

> > Â Amit Desai

> >

> > ________________________________

> > renunw renunw@

> >

> > Sat, April 17, 2010 12:32:12 AM

> > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house

> (Saravali)

> >

> > Â

> > Dear Manoj ji,

> >

> > I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter is

> placed in 11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is

> retrograde. Besides Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on this

> Ju. The native is married to a girl 14 years younger to him. Now he has

> an extra marital relationship with a girl 22 years younger to him! Is

> this the work of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th house?

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

> mouji99@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and

> requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes

> to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for

> Mithuna lagna.

> > > Â

> > > regards,

> > > Â

> > > Mouji

> > >

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Dear Manoj ji,

Here it is....I have noticed that marriage with natives who has Sun in 7th house

is not easy. This chart has Sun in 7H...another minus point.

Natal Chart

January 6, 1965

Time: 18:20:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 80 E 38' 00 " , 7 N 17' 00 "

Kandy, Sri Lanka

blessings,

Renu

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99

wrote:

>

> Please post the details Renu ji.

>

> regards,

>

> Manoj

>

> ________________________________

> renunw <renunw

>

> Fri, April 16, 2010 12:02:12 PM

> Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house

(Saravali)

>

> Â

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter is placed in

11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is retrograde. Besides

Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on this Ju. The native is married to a

girl 14 years younger to him. Now he has an extra marital relationship with a

girl 22 years younger to him! Is this the work of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th

house?

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and

requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th

house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > Â

> > regards,

> > Â

> > Mouji

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Dear Renu ji,

Actually honestly speaking, we cannot judge. This world is strange. All

is Maya over here. And all go after Kaaya. The Kaaya remains a chhaya

over man's mind. Cant blame him for becoming attracted if his stomache

is not full from the food he receives from his house...

What we see is always not true. Maybe his wife looked like doting over

his husband in public, but actually a terror behind closed doors. But

again I do not sympathise with him. What is wrong in actions, is wrong.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " renunw " <renunw

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> It is a shame to carry on with a very young girl when he is the father

of two girls, the youngest reaching 3 months and the older girl just 5

years old! Besides the wife used to dote on him...but doubt if it is the

same any more...

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Good observations. Whenever Mars and Saturn jointly influence

(Aspect) a

> > house, one may consider it as gone and lost.

> >

> > Not only Mars is aspecting Jupiter who is the 7th Lord, but also the

7th

> > House.

> >

> > Now I dont think that this friendship of his with a much younger

girl,

> > is caused due to retro Jupiter This could be in fact the handiwork

of

> > Mars. Mars is the Lord of the 6th house, therefore will break the

7th

> > house significations being 12th Lord from the 7th house. Furthermore

> > Mars and Saturn both contribute to spoiling the 11th house of

> > friendships.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > , amit desai

> > <amitwho@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renuji

> > > from your eg. and i have been observing on regular basis that,

when

> > any house or planet are under joint influence of Mars and Saturn as

in

> > your eg. usually ill luck about the house and planet is experienced

by

> > the native.

> > > As in your eg. jupiter as 7th lord in 11th house is jointly

aspected

> > by Saturn and Mars, here native is likely to get unsatisfactory

results

> > regarding 7th house (spouse in general) and 11th house for long term

> > relationship. However this shall be true to all Lagna rasi.

> > > Here Jupiter is also 10th lord so point, is he having problems in

his

> > career matters too?

> > > Â Amit Desai

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > renunw renunw@

> > >

> > > Sat, April 17, 2010 12:32:12 AM

> > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th

house

> > (Saravali)

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > >

> > > I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter

is

> > placed in 11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is

> > retrograde. Besides Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on

this

> > Ju. The native is married to a girl 14 years younger to him. Now he

has

> > an extra marital relationship with a girl 22 years younger to him!

Is

> > this the work of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th house?

> > >

> > > blessings,

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

> > mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion

and

> > requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house,

goes

> > to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say

for

> > Mithuna lagna.

> > > > Â

> > > > regards,

> > > > Â

> > > > Mouji

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Dear Bhaskar ji,

//All is Maya over here. And all go after Kaaya. The Kaaya remains a chhaya over

man's mind. //

I like your poetic language. But being a mother and a wife, I pity this girl.

The timing is very wrong....she is going through PND too!

blessings,

Renu

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

>

> Actually honestly speaking, we cannot judge. This world is strange. All

> is Maya over here. And all go after Kaaya. The Kaaya remains a chhaya

> over man's mind. Cant blame him for becoming attracted if his stomache

> is not full from the food he receives from his house...

>

> What we see is always not true. Maybe his wife looked like doting over

> his husband in public, but actually a terror behind closed doors. But

> again I do not sympathise with him. What is wrong in actions, is wrong.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > It is a shame to carry on with a very young girl when he is the father

> of two girls, the youngest reaching 3 months and the older girl just 5

> years old! Besides the wife used to dote on him...but doubt if it is the

> same any more...

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Good observations. Whenever Mars and Saturn jointly influence

> (Aspect) a

> > > house, one may consider it as gone and lost.

> > >

> > > Not only Mars is aspecting Jupiter who is the 7th Lord, but also the

> 7th

> > > House.

> > >

> > > Now I dont think that this friendship of his with a much younger

> girl,

> > > is caused due to retro Jupiter This could be in fact the handiwork

> of

> > > Mars. Mars is the Lord of the 6th house, therefore will break the

> 7th

> > > house significations being 12th Lord from the 7th house. Furthermore

> > > Mars and Saturn both contribute to spoiling the 11th house of

> > > friendships.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , amit desai

> > > <amitwho@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Renuji

> > > > from your eg. and i have been observing on regular basis that,

> when

> > > any house or planet are under joint influence of Mars and Saturn as

> in

> > > your eg. usually ill luck about the house and planet is experienced

> by

> > > the native.

> > > > As in your eg. jupiter as 7th lord in 11th house is jointly

> aspected

> > > by Saturn and Mars, here native is likely to get unsatisfactory

> results

> > > regarding 7th house (spouse in general) and 11th house for long term

> > > relationship. However this shall be true to all Lagna rasi.

> > > > Here Jupiter is also 10th lord so point, is he having problems in

> his

> > > career matters too?

> > > > Â Amit Desai

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > renunw renunw@

> > > >

> > > > Sat, April 17, 2010 12:32:12 AM

> > > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th

> house

> > > (Saravali)

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > >

> > > > I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter

> is

> > > placed in 11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is

> > > retrograde. Besides Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on

> this

> > > Ju. The native is married to a girl 14 years younger to him. Now he

> has

> > > an extra marital relationship with a girl 22 years younger to him!

> Is

> > > this the work of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th house?

> > > >

> > > > blessings,

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

> > > mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion

> and

> > > requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house,

> goes

> > > to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say

> for

> > > Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Mouji

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 18, 2010

Dear Dev ji,

I now very well how to read the horoscope.But discussion was on " Upachay "

house,11th house, and placement of any planet in 11th house which bring

" Expansion " so I have given my own example to understand well that we have to

analyze whole " Horoscope before any final conclusion not by one or individual

planet placement.

All ingredients will decide the final out come.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

>

> If you go bit down and explore the divisions or D-charts, you would get many

asnswers yourself.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , " Sudan " <msbohra62@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> >

> > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in 11th house in Pisces

Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

> >

> > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th and interestingly

I have three kids (Expansion ! in present scenario).

> >

> > Interesting na !

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My question was regarding

the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses. What will Jupiter expand here.

And often it is also said, that Jupiter himself helps expansion, so I chose

Jupiter, over any other planet.

> > >

> > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it vertical or

horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it, Jupiter here in this

case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna also. Or say, Aries, Lagna,

Venus in the eleventh house, what expansions would it bring?

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > >

> > > Mouji Ram

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > kiran.rama <kiran.rama@>

> > >

> > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house

(Saravali)

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > >

> > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > >

> > > Effect 1:

> > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house significations

revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > >

> > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day through

'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > >

> > > Effect 2:

> > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says Ju in

11H means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy etc

> > >

> > > Effect 3:

> > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or

detriment here.

> > >

> > > So overall good effects

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and

requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th

house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > Â

> > > > regards,

> > > > Â

> > > > Mouji

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 18, 2010

Dear Boharaji,

Of course, you must be knowing. The reason why I wrote, you may find answers

yourself. Good that you brought your chart (actually planetary placements) to

enhance the discussion horizon of so called Upachyaya discussion which is

turning to be only 11th house discussion.

regds

Dev

, " Sudan " <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear Dev ji,

>

> I now very well how to read the horoscope.But discussion was on " Upachay "

house,11th house, and placement of any planet in 11th house which bring

" Expansion " so I have given my own example to understand well that we have to

analyze whole " Horoscope before any final conclusion not by one or individual

planet placement.

>

> All ingredients will decide the final out come.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

, " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohra ji,

> >

> > If you go bit down and explore the divisions or D-charts, you would get many

asnswers yourself.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > , " Sudan " <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> > >

> > > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in 11th house in Pisces

Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

> > >

> > > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th and

interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in present scenario).

> > >

> > > Interesting na !

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My question was regarding

the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses. What will Jupiter expand here.

And often it is also said, that Jupiter himself helps expansion, so I chose

Jupiter, over any other planet.

> > > >

> > > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it vertical or

horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it, Jupiter here in this

case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna also. Or say, Aries, Lagna,

Venus in the eleventh house, what expansions would it bring?

> > > >

> > > > best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Mouji Ram

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > kiran.rama <kiran.rama@>

> > > >

> > > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house

(Saravali)

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > >

> > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > >

> > > > Effect 1:

> > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house significations

revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > > >

> > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > > >

> > > > Effect 2:

> > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says Ju in

11H means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy etc

> > > >

> > > > Effect 3:

> > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or

detriment here.

> > > >

> > > > So overall good effects

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

<mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and

requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th

house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Mouji

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 18, 2010

Dear Dev ji,

Will you explain how to explore the D-Charts Sir. I can be a good

student I assure you, for this area..

regards/Bhaskar.

, " axeplex " <axeplex

wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

>

> If you go bit down and explore the divisions or D-charts, you would

get many asnswers yourself.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , " Sudan " msbohra62@

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> >

> > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in 11th house in

Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

> >

> > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th and

interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in present scenario).

> >

> > Interesting na !

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > , Manoj Kumar

<mouji99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My question was

regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses. What will

Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that Jupiter himself

helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other planet.

> > >

> > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it vertical or

horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it, Jupiter here

in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna also. Or

say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what expansions would it

bring?

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > >

> > > Mouji Ram

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > kiran.rama <kiran.rama@>

> > >

> > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th

house (Saravali)

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > >

> > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > >

> > > Effect 1:

> > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > >

> > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > >

> > > Effect 2:

> > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says

Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy

etc

> > >

> > > Effect 3:

> > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or

detriment here.

> > >

> > > So overall good effects

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

<mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion

and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house,

goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean.

Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > Â

> > > > regards,

> > > > Â

> > > > Mouji

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 18, 2010

Dear All,I think it is important to understand what UPCHAY is? It is growth, collection, accumulation. 3/6/10/11 have been given to us as our upchaya houses.For lagna or self, the effort and initiation of 3rd house has to go through the grind of 6th, supported by karma in 10th, the growth/accumulation results in the 11th. Upchay is not possible in a single house. One has to turn the full wheel through the four houses to see the upchay for a person. Upchay for self is sum total of all experiences of a lifetime as its is assigned to self. The total collection would include portions given by all areas. Where upchay is more in a particular lifetime would be shown by the planets influencing these houses and their lorships. This comes from the prarabdh and decides by the previous karmas.

However, if you take out 10 from the scheme, you are left with trishadaya! It is important to remember that 10th plays the crucial role of converting trichadaya into upchaya. Good karmas would lead to good upchay and bad would lead to bad!

Another important point is not to mix the upchay for lagna (3/6/10/11) with other houses. Each house will have its own upchay sthans. 7L in 11H is not in upchay sthan for 7th. It can only give a multiplicity of 7H marriages by virtue of 11H results. Let us not confuse it with upchay. A person who marries once expends his resources on one wife, if he married twice, he does on 2 wives – means double spending! Where’s the upchay for self in such a case? Upchaya for marriage would be 9/12/4/5 which means a marriage initiated and solemnized in 9H and passed the strifes in 12th where we spend ourselves in marriage and add good karma or domestic sukh to it so that we accumulate its results or reap the rewards of getting good progeny in 5H!

Hope this makes sense.RegardsNeelam

On 17 April 2010 12:28, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:

Dear Moujiramji, Kiran Ramaji and all,

IMHO :

7th in 11th upachaya house - increases the benefits to the 7th house significations.

Since we are talking about the favourite signification of partners - it means gains to the partners.

Will it mean that the Jataka enjoys many partners ? - That depends on the other houses like 1st house, 1HL etc. If they are aspected by restraining graha' aspect positioning or other yogas then he may not enjoy the multiplicity of enjoyments of 7th house.

Conversely a person's 1HL and other things may be spoilt and the 7th house/lord barren, yet that will not prevent him from Purushartha - you know what I mean.

Everybody has a potential to have more partners - depends on all factors if he is able to.

All factors 7,11,1,5,8,12 etc.

Thanks & Regards

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Sat, 17/4/10, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

kiran.rama <kiran.rama Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house (Saravali)

Date: Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 11:48 AM

Dear Renu ji:From a specific relationships angle, 7HL in 11H implies gain of relationships, spouse, partners etc - so 'extra' partners could be a signification of 7HL in 11H. Retrograde planet means significations are held latent - and are difficult to get expressed unless there is effort on part of the native. So as a result seems like the native entered into relationships slightly late in life. Retro is not causing the immorality but has made the need for extra partners/passion more pronounced!!

The immorality is caused by Ma-Sa aspect; Remember this harm is going to happen irrespective of Ma-Sa house lordship; even if they were lording the 7H. 7H is not able to utilize Ma/Sa energy.Even if it was exalted Ma/Sa aspect, the result would have been the same

ThanksKiranancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " <renunw wrote:

>> Dear Manoj ji,> > I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter is placed in 11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is retrograde. Besides Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on this Ju. The native is married to a girl 14 years younger to him. Now he has an extra marital relationship with a girl 22 years younger to him! Is this the work of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th house?

> > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@> wrote:

> >> >

Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > regards,> > > > Mouji> >>

April 18, 2010

You may be a good student, Bhaskar ji but I am not a good teacher in the area.

There are so many others in the group who use D-charts and may be good teachers

too like Gopi ji and our slatwart, Neelam ji.

regds

Dev

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Dev ji,

>

> Will you explain how to explore the D-Charts Sir. I can be a good

> student I assure you, for this area..

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohra ji,

> >

> > If you go bit down and explore the divisions or D-charts, you would

> get many asnswers yourself.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > , " Sudan " msbohra62@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> > >

> > > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

> planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in 11th house in

> Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

> > >

> > > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th and

> interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in present scenario).

> > >

> > > Interesting na !

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > , Manoj Kumar

> <mouji99@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My question was

> regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses. What will

> Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that Jupiter himself

> helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other planet.

> > > >

> > > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it vertical or

> horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it, Jupiter here

> in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna also. Or

> say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what expansions would it

> bring?

> > > >

> > > > best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Mouji Ram

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > kiran.rama <kiran.rama@>

> > > >

> > > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th

> house (Saravali)

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > >

> > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > >

> > > > Effect 1:

> > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

> significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > > >

> > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

> through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > > >

> > > > Effect 2:

> > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says

> Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy

> etc

> > > >

> > > > Effect 3:

> > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or

> detriment here.

> > > >

> > > > So overall good effects

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

> <mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion

> and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house,

> goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean.

> Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Mouji

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 18, 2010

Dear Neelam ji,

Namaste,

Thank you for your clear and logical imput on upachaya house.

Might I ask a couple of questions for further clarification and understanding..

1. what if there are no planets in any of the Upchay houses?

2, Is it better to have the upchay houses being owned by same group of planets,

like asura and sura group. eg cancer lagna, u get mixed group, with jupiter and

mars owning 6,10 H and mercury and venus owning 3 and 11H.

3. We know that malefic planets give more material benefits in upachay houses,

what effect does lordships contribute.

warmest regards

Sheevani

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> I think it is important to understand what UPCHAY is? It is growth,

> collection, accumulation. 3/6/10/11 have been given to us as our upchaya

> houses.

>

> For lagna or self, the effort and initiation of 3rd house has to go through

> the grind of 6th, supported by karma in 10th, the growth/accumulation

> results in the 11th. Upchay is not possible in a single house. One has to

> turn the full wheel through the four houses to see the upchay for a person.

> Upchay for self is sum total of all experiences of a lifetime as its is

> assigned to self. The total collection would include portions given by all

> areas. Where upchay is more in a particular lifetime would be shown by the

> planets influencing these houses and their lorships. This comes from the

> prarabdh and decides by the previous karmas.

>

> However, if you take out 10 from the scheme, you are left with trishadaya!

> It is important to remember that 10th plays the crucial role of converting

> trichadaya into upchaya. Good karmas would lead to good upchay and bad would

> lead to bad!

>

> Another important point is not to mix the upchay for lagna (3/6/10/11) with

> other houses. Each house will have its own upchay sthans. 7L in 11H is not

> in upchay sthan for 7th. It can only give a multiplicity of 7H marriages by

> virtue of 11H results. Let us not confuse it with upchay. A person who

> marries once expends his resources on one wife, if he married twice, he does

> on 2 wives – means double spending! Where's the upchay for self in such a

> case? Upchaya for marriage would be 9/12/4/5 which means a marriage

> initiated and solemnized in 9H and passed the strifes in 12th where we spend

> ourselves in marriage and add good karma or domestic sukh to it so that we

> accumulate its results or reap the rewards of getting good progeny in 5H!

>

> Hope this makes sense.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 17 April 2010 12:28, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Moujiramji, Kiran Ramaji and all,

> >

> > IMHO :

> >

> > 7th in 11th upachaya house - increases the benefits to the 7th house

> > significations.

> > Since we are talking about the favourite signification of partners - it

> > means gains to the partners.

> > Will it mean that the Jataka enjoys many partners ? - That depends on the

> > other houses like 1st house, 1HL etc. If they are aspected by restraining

> > graha' aspect positioning or other yogas then he may not enjoy the

> > multiplicity of enjoyments of 7th house.

> > Conversely a person's 1HL and other things may be spoilt and the 7th

> > house/lord barren, yet that will not prevent him from Purushartha - you know

> > what I mean.

> >

> > Everybody has a potential to have more partners - depends on all factors if

> > he is able to.

> > All factors 7,11,1,5,8,12 etc.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards

> >

> > Chiranjiv Mehta

> >

> > --- On *Sat, 17/4/10, kiran.rama <kiran.rama* wrote:

> >

> > kiran.rama <kiran.rama

> >

> > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house

> > (Saravali)

> >

> > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 11:48 AM

> >

> > Dear Renu ji:

> >

> > From a specific relationships angle, 7HL in 11H implies gain of

> > relationships, spouse, partners etc - so 'extra' partners could be a

> > signification of 7HL in 11H. Retrograde planet means significations are held

> > latent - and are difficult to get expressed unless there is effort on part

> > of the native. So as a result seems like the native entered into

> > relationships slightly late in life. Retro is not causing the immorality but

> > has made the need for extra partners/passion more pronounced!!

> >

> > The immorality is caused by Ma-Sa aspect; Remember this harm is going to

> > happen irrespective of Ma-Sa house lordship; even if they were lording the

> > 7H. 7H is not able to utilize Ma/Sa energy.

> > Even if it was exalted Ma/Sa aspect, the result would have been the same

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> > " renunw " <renunw@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > >

> > > I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter is

> > placed in 11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is

> > retrograde. Besides Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on this Ju.

> > The native is married to a girl 14 years younger to him. Now he has an extra

> > marital relationship with a girl 22 years younger to him! Is this the work

> > of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th house?

> > >

> > > blessings,

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> > Manoj Kumar <mouji99@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and

> > requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to

> > 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for

> > Mithuna lagna.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Mouji

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 18, 2010

Dear Sheevaniji,As per my humble understanding:1. what if there are no planets in any of the Upchay houses?As you know plants show us the focus on a house. Nonetheless, it is the lords who are always responsible for their houses. The planet in the house may or may not be good for its significations, but the lord shall always promote the house to the best of its ability. The principles of judgment remain the same, only we are looking for factors for upchay and synthesizing the results. We have to look for upchay lords, their strength in vargas, planets in upchay whether they support upchay or resist upchay, aspects, etc.

2, Is it better to have the upchay houses being owned by same group of

planets, like asura and sura group. eg cancer lagna, u get mixed group,

with jupiter and mars owning 6,10 H and mercury and venus owning 3 and

11H.Like-minded people and strong teams always work better. Isn't it? But in astrology, there are always two faces of a coin! :-)

3. We know that malefic planets give more material benefits in upachay houses, what effect does lordships contribute. Houses present the environment for planets to work. Lords are responsible for the results of the house as per their nature and significations. It would be lords to actually promote upchay through the upchay houses. Just like Rajyogas are not possible without PAC connections between kona-trikona, upchay yogas (if I may call them) are not possible without PAC connection between Upchay lords and planets in Upchay. Malefics may give material gains, but I think Upchay is a very personal and individual phenomenon, pertaining to progress of soul.

First and foremost we must be clear what upchay has been granted in Prarabdh to a person by checking the upchay lords and their placements. Its like considering a natal promise of Upchay, then dashas and transits, etc.

Hope I am clear.RegardsNeelamOn 18 April 2010 17:02, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote:

Dear Neelam ji,

Namaste,

Thank you for your clear and logical imput on upachaya house.

Might I ask a couple of questions for further clarification and understanding..

1. what if there are no planets in any of the Upchay houses?

2, Is it better to have the upchay houses being owned by same group of planets, like asura and sura group. eg cancer lagna, u get mixed group, with jupiter and mars owning 6,10 H and mercury and venus owning 3 and 11H.

3. We know that malefic planets give more material benefits in upachay houses, what effect does lordships contribute.

warmest regards

Sheevani

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: