Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house (Saravali)

April 14, 2010

Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.

regards,

Mouji

April 14, 2010

Dear Manoj ji:

There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

Effect 1:

7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house significations

revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

'gains/income/sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day through

'partnerships/business/spouse/long journeys'

Effect 2:

Jupiter in 11H;

This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says Ju in 11H

means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy etc

Effect 3:

Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or detriment

here.

So overall good effects

Thanks

Kiran

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99

wrote:

>

> Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and requested

to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th house and

now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.

>

> regards,

>

> Mouji

>

April 14, 2010

There would be problems here...

Jupiter is the badhakstahdhipati....

Additionally, the native may go for more than one women.... need i

elaborate this ????

regards/Bhaskar..

, " kiran.rama "

<kiran.rama wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj ji:

>

> There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

>

> Effect 1:

> 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

>

> 'gains/income/sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

through 'partnerships/business/spouse/long journeys'

>

> Effect 2:

> Jupiter in 11H;

> This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says Ju

in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy etc

>

> Effect 3:

> Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or

detriment here.

>

> So overall good effects

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

> , Manoj Kumar mouji99@

wrote:

> >

> > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and

requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes

to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for

Mithuna lagna.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Mouji

> >

>

April 15, 2010

Dear Kiran JI,

//(phaladeepika says Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in

this case)//

It can be logical when thinking as per KAS...

Ju generally (in more cases) gets 4 or more benific points where it

situated....Lets say it has 5 Points so It does 5 points benific as per

Karktva Natural and Functional....But It does sends..malefic effect

where it aspects....so aspects on 5 means possibility of few

children....It may delay marriage upto 24 years if aspect to second

lord ...

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

kiran.rama wrote:

Dear Manoj ji:

There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

Effect 1:

7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

'gains/income/sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

through 'partnerships/business/spouse/long journeys'

Effect 2:

Jupiter in 11H;

This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says Ju

in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy etc

Effect 3:

Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or

detriment here.

So overall good effects

Thanks

Kiran

,

Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:

>

> Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion

and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house,

goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean.

Say for Mithuna lagna.

>

> regards,

>

> Mouji

>

April 15, 2010

Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My question was regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses. What will Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that Jupiter himself helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other planet.

Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it vertical or horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it, Jupiter here in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna also. Or say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what expansions would it bring?

best wishes,

Mouji Ram

kiran.rama <kiran.rama Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house (Saravali)

Dear Manoj ji:There are 3 effects that will be realized here:Effect 1:7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'Effect 2:Jupiter in 11H;This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7HNow this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy etcEffect 3:Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or detriment here.So overall good effectsThanksKiranancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 >

wrote:>> Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.> > regards,> > Mouji>

April 15, 2010

Bhaskarji:

'gains/income/sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

> through 'partnerships/business/spouse/long journeys'

Depends on how you interpret - gains from spouse or gain of partners can both

be implied

Question to you: How would you say which of the two?

THanks

Kiran

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> There would be problems here...

>

> Jupiter is the badhakstahdhipati....

>

> Additionally, the native may go for more than one women.... need i

> elaborate this ????

>

> regards/Bhaskar..

>

> , " kiran.rama "

> <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji:

> >

> > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> >

> > Effect 1:

> > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

> significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> >

> > 'gains/income/sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

> through 'partnerships/business/spouse/long journeys'

> >

> > Effect 2:

> > Jupiter in 11H;

> > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says Ju

> in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy etc

> >

> > Effect 3:

> > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or

> detriment here.

> >

> > So overall good effects

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > , Manoj Kumar mouji99@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and

> requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes

> to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for

> Mithuna lagna.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Mouji

> > >

> >

>

April 15, 2010

Kiran ji,

How must one interpret ? Please shed some light on this..

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " kiran.rama "

<kiran.rama wrote:

>

> Bhaskarji:

>

> 'gains/income/sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

> > through 'partnerships/business/spouse/long journeys'

>

> Depends on how you interpret - gains from spouse or gain of

partners can both be implied

>

> Question to you: How would you say which of the two?

>

> THanks

> Kiran

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > There would be problems here...

> >

> > Jupiter is the badhakstahdhipati....

> >

> > Additionally, the native may go for more than one women.... need i

> > elaborate this ????

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar..

> >

> > , " kiran.rama "

> > <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > >

> > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > >

> > > Effect 1:

> > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

> > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > >

> > > 'gains/income/sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

> > through 'partnerships/business/spouse/long journeys'

> > >

> > > Effect 2:

> > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says

Ju

> > in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy

etc

> > >

> > > Effect 3:

> > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or

> > detriment here.

> > >

> > > So overall good effects

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > > , Manoj Kumar

mouji99@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion

and

> > requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house,

goes

> > to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say

for

> > Mithuna lagna.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Mouji

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 15, 2010

well well - bhaskarji: thought the question was for you

Gains from spouse vs. Gain of female partners

Ju is a satwik planet - so former is likely to be implied.

Also look at Ve position; other planets in 7H/aspecting 7H

look at 10HL position - tells about dharma

Thanks

Kiran

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Kiran ji,

>

> How must one interpret ? Please shed some light on this..

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " kiran.rama "

> <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskarji:

> >

> > 'gains/income/sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

> > > through 'partnerships/business/spouse/long journeys'

> >

> > Depends on how you interpret - gains from spouse or gain of

> partners can both be implied

> >

> > Question to you: How would you say which of the two?

> >

> > THanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > There would be problems here...

> > >

> > > Jupiter is the badhakstahdhipati....

> > >

> > > Additionally, the native may go for more than one women.... need i

> > > elaborate this ????

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar..

> > >

> > > , " kiran.rama "

> > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > >

> > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > >

> > > > Effect 1:

> > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

> > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > > >

> > > > 'gains/income/sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

> > > through 'partnerships/business/spouse/long journeys'

> > > >

> > > > Effect 2:

> > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says

> Ju

> > > in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy

> etc

> > > >

> > > > Effect 3:

> > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or

> > > detriment here.

> > > >

> > > > So overall good effects

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > > > , Manoj Kumar

> mouji99@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion

> and

> > > requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house,

> goes

> > > to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say

> for

> > > Mithuna lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Mouji

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 15, 2010

Wel Well Lovely Kiran ji I am still a student......

rgrds/Bhaskar.

, " kiran.rama "

<kiran.rama wrote:

>

> well well - bhaskarji: thought the question was for you

>

> Gains from spouse vs. Gain of female partners

>

> Ju is a satwik planet - so former is likely to be implied.

> Also look at Ve position; other planets in 7H/aspecting 7H

> look at 10HL position - tells about dharma

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Kiran ji,

> >

> > How must one interpret ? Please shed some light on this..

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " kiran.rama "

> > <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskarji:

> > >

> > > 'gains/income/sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

> > > > through 'partnerships/business/spouse/long journeys'

> > >

> > > Depends on how you interpret - gains from spouse or gain of

> > partners can both be implied

> > >

> > > Question to you: How would you say which of the two?

> > >

> > > THanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > There would be problems here...

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter is the badhakstahdhipati....

> > > >

> > > > Additionally, the native may go for more than one women.... need

i

> > > > elaborate this ????

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar..

> > > >

> > > > , " kiran.rama "

> > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > > >

> > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > > >

> > > > > Effect 1:

> > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

> > > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > > > >

> > > > > 'gains/income/sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the

day

> > > > through 'partnerships/business/spouse/long journeys'

> > > > >

> > > > > Effect 2:

> > > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika

says

> > Ju

> > > > in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case),

wealthy

> > etc

> > > > >

> > > > > Effect 3:

> > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated

or

> > > > detriment here.

> > > > >

> > > > > So overall good effects

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Kiran

> > > > >

> > > > > , Manoj Kumar

> > mouji99@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of

expansion

> > and

> > > > requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th

house,

> > goes

> > > > to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean.

Say

> > for

> > > > Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mouji

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 16, 2010

Dear Bhaskar and Kiran ji,

Both of you are engaged in your lovely little duel. No one is answering my question on "expansion". What Kiran ji has written is pretty elementary which a beginner in the world of astrology would perhaps know. I am trying to learn, so help me na.

Seventh lord in Upachaya houses would expand the significations of the seventh house, right. This is what I can understand and if I am wrong, someone can correct me. So I should always be expanding my seventh house. What would that mean.

regards,

Mouji

PS : Bhagyo-Udaya par iske baad mein baat karenge. Pehle prabudhh logon ko apna uttar dene dete hain.

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 11:47:53 PM Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house (Saravali)

Wel Well Lovely Kiran ji I am still a student..... .rgrds/Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "kiran.rama"<kiran.rama@ ...> wrote:>> well well - bhaskarji: thought the question was for you >> Gains from spouse vs. Gain of female partners>> Ju is a satwik planet - so former is likely to be implied.> Also look at Ve position; other planets in 7H/aspecting 7H> look at 10HL position - tells about dharma>> Thanks> Kiran>> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"bhaskar_jyotish@

wrote:> >> >> > Kiran ji,> >> > How must one interpret ? Please shed some light on this..> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "kiran.rama"> > <kiran.rama@ > wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskarji:> > >> > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day> > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'> > >> > > Depends on how you interpret - gains from spouse or gain of> > partners can both be implied> > >> > > Question to you: How would you

say which of the two? > > >> > > THanks> > > Kiran> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > There would be problems here...> > > >> > > > Jupiter is the badhakstahdhipati. ...> > > >> > > > Additionally, the native may go for more than one women.... needi> > > > elaborate this ????> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar. .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "kiran.rama"> > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Manoj ji:> > > > >> > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:> > > > >> > > > > Effect 1:> > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house> > > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean> > > > >> > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of theday> > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'> > > > >> > > > > Effect 2:> > > >

> Jupiter in 11H;> > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H> > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepikasays> > Ju> > > > in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case),wealthy> > etc> > > > >> > > > > Effect 3:> > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitatedor> > > > detriment here.> > > > >> > > > > So overall good effects> > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Kiran> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar> > mouji99@> > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses ofexpansion> > and> > > > requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7thhouse,> > goes> > > > to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean.Say> > for> > > > Mithuna lagna.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Mouji> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

April 16, 2010

Dear Mouji Bhai,

I havd already answered this as per my capabilities -

" Additionally, the native may go for more than one women.... "

In other words this could also mean expansion of number of wives, or

more than one wife.

This would of course be related to other factors of duality

co-operating.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Manoj Kumar

<mouji99 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar and Kiran ji,

>

> Both of you are engaged in your lovely little duel. No one is

answering my question on " expansion " . What Kiran ji has written is

pretty elementary which a beginner in the world of astrology would

perhaps know. I am trying to learn, so help me na.

>

> Seventh lord in Upachaya houses would expand the significations of the

seventh house, right. This is what I can understand and if I am wrong,

someone can correct me. So I should always be expanding my seventh

house. What would that mean.

>

> regards,

>

> Mouji

>

> PS : Bhagyo-Udaya par iske baad mein baat karenge. Pehle prabudhh

logon ko apna uttar dene dete hain.

>

> ________________________________

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

>

> Thu, April 15, 2010 11:47:53 PM

> Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house

(Saravali)

>

> Â

>

> Wel Well Lovely Kiran ji I am still a student..... .

>

> rgrds/Bhaskar.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " kiran.rama "

> <kiran.rama@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > well well - bhaskarji: thought the question was for you

> >

> > Gains from spouse vs. Gain of female partners

> >

> > Ju is a satwik planet - so former is likely to be implied.

> > Also look at Ve position; other planets in 7H/aspecting 7H

> > look at 10HL position - tells about dharma

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Kiran ji,

> > >

> > > How must one interpret ? Please shed some light on this..

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " kiran.rama "

> > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskarji:

> > > >

> > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the

day

> > > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > > >

> > > > Depends on how you interpret - gains from spouse or gain of

> > > partners can both be implied

> > > >

> > > > Question to you: How would you say which of the two?

> > > >

> > > > THanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > There would be problems here...

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter is the badhakstahdhipati. ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Additionally, the native may go for more than one women....

need

> i

> > > > > elaborate this ????

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar. .

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" kiran.rama "

> > > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Effect 1:

> > > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

> > > > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of

the

> day

> > > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Effect 2:

> > > > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children

(phaladeepika

> says

> > > Ju

> > > > > in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case),

> wealthy

> > > etc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Effect 3:

> > > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not

debilitated

> or

> > > > > detriment here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So overall good effects

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj

Kumar

> > > mouji99@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of

> expansion

> > > and

> > > > > requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th

> house,

> > > goes

> > > > > to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter

mean.

> Say

> > > for

> > > > > Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mouji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 16, 2010

Arrey yaar, this is what I was trying to drive at. Does it happen? So are they not simply bookish things with little applicability in real life.

regards,

Mouji

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 10:44:53 AM Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house (Saravali)

Dear Mouji Bhai,I havd already answered this as per my capabilities -"Additionally, the native may go for more than one women.... "In other words this could also mean expansion of number of wives, ormore than one wife.This would of course be related to other factors of dualityco-operating.regards,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar<mouji99 > wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar and Kiran ji,>> Both of you are engaged in your lovely little duel. No one isanswering my question on "expansion". What Kiran ji has written ispretty elementary which a beginner in the world of astrology wouldperhaps know. I am trying to learn, so help me na.>> Seventh lord

in Upachaya houses would expand the significations of theseventh house, right. This is what I can understand and if I am wrong,someone can correct me. So I should always be expanding my seventhhouse. What would that mean.>> regards,>> Mouji>> PS : Bhagyo-Udaya par iske baad mein baat karenge. Pehle prabudhhlogon ko apna uttar dene dete hain.>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thu, April 15, 2010 11:47:53 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house(Saravali)>> Ã‚>> Wel Well Lovely Kiran ji I am still a student.....

..>> rgrds/Bhaskar.>> ancient_indian_ astrology, "kiran.rama"> <kiran.rama@ ...> wrote:> >> > well well - bhaskarji: thought the question was for you > >> > Gains from spouse vs. Gain of female partners> >> > Ju is a satwik planet - so former is likely to be implied.> > Also look at Ve position; other planets in 7H/aspecting 7H> > look at 10HL position - tells about dharma> >> > Thanks> > Kiran> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Kiran ji,> > >> > > How must one interpret ? Please shed some light on this..> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> >

>> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "kiran.rama"> > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Bhaskarji:> > > >> > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of theday> > > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'> > > >> > > > Depends on how you interpret - gains from spouse or gain of> > > partners can both be implied> > > >> > > > Question to you: How would you say which of the two? > > > >> > > > THanks> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > There would be problems here...> > > > >> > > > > Jupiter is the badhakstahdhipati. ...> > > > >> > > > > Additionally, the native may go for more than one women....need> i> > > > > elaborate this ????> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar. .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,"kiran.rama"> > > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji:> > > > > >> > > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:> > > > > >> > > > >

> Effect 1:> > > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house> > > > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean> > > > > >> > > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light ofthe> day> > > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'> > > > > >> > > > > > Effect 2:> > > > > > Jupiter in 11H;> > > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H> > > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children(phaladeepika> says> > > Ju> > > > > in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case),> wealthy> > > etc> > > > > >> > > > > > Effect 3:>

> > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is notdebilitated> or> > > > > detriment here.> > > > > >> > > > > > So overall good effects> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > Kiran> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, ManojKumar> > > mouji99@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of> expansion> > > and> > > > > requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th> house,> > > goes> > > > >

to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupitermean.> Say> > > for> > > > > Mithuna lagna.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mouji> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

April 16, 2010

Exactly. Thats what I too have been telling since last so many years.

Salt cannot be eaten by someone to fill his stomache. Salt has to be

given alongwith others ingredients and applied to the main dish in

proper proportions to make the salt useful. In same way one rule will

not work without unison and complementing of others.

regards/Baskar.

, Manoj Kumar

<mouji99 wrote:

>

> Arrey yaar, this is what I was trying to drive at. Does it happen? So

are they not simply bookish things with little applicability in real

life.

>

> regards,

>

> Mouji

>

> ________________________________

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

>

> Fri, April 16, 2010 10:44:53 AM

> Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house

(Saravali)

>

> Â

>

> Dear Mouji Bhai,

>

> I havd already answered this as per my capabilities -

>

> " Additionally, the native may go for more than one women.... "

>

> In other words this could also mean expansion of number of wives, or

> more than one wife.

>

> This would of course be related to other factors of duality

> co-operating.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

> mouji99@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar and Kiran ji,

> >

> > Both of you are engaged in your lovely little duel. No one is

> answering my question on " expansion " . What Kiran ji has written is

> pretty elementary which a beginner in the world of astrology would

> perhaps know. I am trying to learn, so help me na.

> >

> > Seventh lord in Upachaya houses would expand the significations of

the

> seventh house, right. This is what I can understand and if I am wrong,

> someone can correct me. So I should always be expanding my seventh

> house. What would that mean.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Mouji

> >

> > PS : Bhagyo-Udaya par iske baad mein baat karenge. Pehle prabudhh

> logon ko apna uttar dene dete hain.

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thu, April 15, 2010 11:47:53 PM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th

house

> (Saravali)

> >

> > Ã‚

> >

> > Wel Well Lovely Kiran ji I am still a student..... .

> >

> > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " kiran.rama "

> > <kiran.rama@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > well well - bhaskarji: thought the question was for you

> > >

> > > Gains from spouse vs. Gain of female partners

> > >

> > > Ju is a satwik planet - so former is likely to be implied.

> > > Also look at Ve position; other planets in 7H/aspecting 7H

> > > look at 10HL position - tells about dharma

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Kiran ji,

> > > >

> > > > How must one interpret ? Please shed some light on this..

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " kiran.rama "

> > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskarji:

> > > > >

> > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the

> day

> > > > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > > > >

> > > > > Depends on how you interpret - gains from spouse or gain of

> > > > partners can both be implied

> > > > >

> > > > > Question to you: How would you say which of the two?

> > > > >

> > > > > THanks

> > > > > Kiran

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There would be problems here...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter is the badhakstahdhipati. ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Additionally, the native may go for more than one women....

> need

> > i

> > > > > > elaborate this ????

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " kiran.rama "

> > > > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Effect 1:

> > > > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

> > > > > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of

> the

> > day

> > > > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Effect 2:

> > > > > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children

> (phaladeepika

> > says

> > > > Ju

> > > > > > in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case),

> > wealthy

> > > > etc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Effect 3:

> > > > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not

> debilitated

> > or

> > > > > > detriment here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So overall good effects

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj

> Kumar

> > > > mouji99@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of

> > expansion

> > > > and

> > > > > > requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th

> > house,

> > > > goes

> > > > > > to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter

> mean.

> > Say

> > > > for

> > > > > > Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mouji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 16, 2010

Dear Mouji Ram ji,

Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in 11th house in Pisces

Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th and interestingly I

have three kids (Expansion ! in present scenario).

Interesting na !

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99

wrote:

>

> Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My question was regarding the

expansionist attributes of upachaya houses. What will Jupiter expand here. And

often it is also said, that Jupiter himself helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter,

over any other planet.

>

> Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it vertical or horizontal.

And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it, Jupiter here in this case also

becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna also. Or say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in

the eleventh house, what expansions would it bring?

>

> best wishes,

>

> Mouji Ram

>

> ________________________________

> kiran.rama <kiran.rama

>

> Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house

(Saravali)

>

> Â

> Dear Manoj ji:

>

> There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

>

> Effect 1:

> 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house significations

revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

>

> 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day through

'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

>

> Effect 2:

> Jupiter in 11H;

> This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says Ju in 11H

means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy etc

>

> Effect 3:

> Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or detriment

here.

>

> So overall good effects

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and

requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th

house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > Â

> > regards,

> > Â

> > Mouji

> >

>

April 16, 2010

Dear Bohra ji,

A good observation. Thank You.

Btw how many planets shift to the 12th and the 10th in the Placidus Bhav

Chalit and how many remain in the 11th?

regards/Bhaskar.

, " Sudan " <msbohra62

wrote:

>

> Dear Mouji Ram ji,

>

> Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in 11th house in

Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

>

> Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th and

interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in present scenario).

>

> Interesting na !

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

, Manoj Kumar mouji99@

wrote:

> >

> > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My question was

regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses. What will

Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that Jupiter himself

helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other planet.

> >

> > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it vertical or

horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it, Jupiter here

in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna also. Or

say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what expansions would it

bring?

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Mouji Ram

> >

> > ________________________________

> > kiran.rama kiran.rama@

> >

> > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th

house (Saravali)

> >

> > Â

> > Dear Manoj ji:

> >

> > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> >

> > Effect 1:

> > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> >

> > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> >

> > Effect 2:

> > Jupiter in 11H;

> > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says

Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy

etc

> >

> > Effect 3:

> > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or

detriment here.

> >

> > So overall good effects

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

<mouji99@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion

and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house,

goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean.

Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > Â

> > > regards,

> > > Â

> > > Mouji

> > >

> >

>

April 16, 2010

Dear Bhaskar ji,

I have given my practical example to understand what you have said,we should

analyze a chart in whole mixture not by any one placement.

Janam Lagana says only outlines of Native.

In my chalit Mars and Saturn in 10th house rest are same.You know very well my

chart,we have discussed a lot about it.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

>

> A good observation. Thank You.

>

> Btw how many planets shift to the 12th and the 10th in the Placidus Bhav

> Chalit and how many remain in the 11th?

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , " Sudan " <msbohra62@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> >

> > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

> planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in 11th house in

> Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

> >

> > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th and

> interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in present scenario).

> >

> > Interesting na !

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > , Manoj Kumar mouji99@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My question was

> regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses. What will

> Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that Jupiter himself

> helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other planet.

> > >

> > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it vertical or

> horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it, Jupiter here

> in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna also. Or

> say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what expansions would it

> bring?

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > >

> > > Mouji Ram

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > kiran.rama kiran.rama@

> > >

> > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th

> house (Saravali)

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > >

> > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > >

> > > Effect 1:

> > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

> significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > >

> > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the day

> through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > >

> > > Effect 2:

> > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika says

> Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case), wealthy

> etc

> > >

> > > Effect 3:

> > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated or

> detriment here.

> > >

> > > So overall good effects

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

> <mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion

> and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house,

> goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean.

> Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > Â

> > > > regards,

> > > > Â

> > > > Mouji

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 16, 2010

Dear Bohra ji,

I really do not remember your chart honestly, and neither have your

birth details at my end. I use a Software which has a Key (Pen Drive)

which has to kept attached always to the PC for the software to work.

Many times during the month when my son wants to sit on my PC due to

some of his Games loaded on My PC, then I shift either to another pC, or

the Laptop, and in that case I have to remove this Key for the software

to work on the other PC or Laptop. When I remove this key, all my Charts

and data are lost and the Software is re-set for next use. Since I am

not interested in spending time and reading the Software manual on how

to save the Old data, I leave this part.

Yes we should analyse the chart with whole mixture and not with one

placement. Thanks for this information. I will keep this learning in

mind.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Sudan " <msbohra62

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> I have given my practical example to understand what you have said,we

should analyze a chart in whole mixture not by any one placement.

>

> Janam Lagana says only outlines of Native.

>

> In my chalit Mars and Saturn in 10th house rest are same.You know very

well my chart,we have discussed a lot about it.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohra ji,

> >

> > A good observation. Thank You.

> >

> > Btw how many planets shift to the 12th and the 10th in the Placidus

Bhav

> > Chalit and how many remain in the 11th?

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Sudan "

<msbohra62@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> > >

> > > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

> > planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in 11th

house in

> > Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

> > >

> > > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th and

> > interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in present scenario).

> > >

> > > Interesting na !

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > , Manoj Kumar

mouji99@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My question was

> > regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses. What will

> > Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that Jupiter himself

> > helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other planet.

> > > >

> > > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it vertical

or

> > horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it, Jupiter

here

> > in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna also.

Or

> > say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what expansions

would it

> > bring?

> > > >

> > > > best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Mouji Ram

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > kiran.rama kiran.rama@

> > > >

> > > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th

> > house (Saravali)

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > >

> > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > >

> > > > Effect 1:

> > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

> > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > > >

> > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the

day

> > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > > >

> > > > Effect 2:

> > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika

says

> > Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case),

wealthy

> > etc

> > > >

> > > > Effect 3:

> > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated

or

> > detriment here.

> > > >

> > > > So overall good effects

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

> > <mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of

expansion

> > and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th

house,

> > goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter

mean.

> > Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Mouji

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 16, 2010

Dear Bhaskar ji,

I have just repeated your words !

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

>

> I really do not remember your chart honestly, and neither have your

> birth details at my end. I use a Software which has a Key (Pen Drive)

> which has to kept attached always to the PC for the software to work.

> Many times during the month when my son wants to sit on my PC due to

> some of his Games loaded on My PC, then I shift either to another pC, or

> the Laptop, and in that case I have to remove this Key for the software

> to work on the other PC or Laptop. When I remove this key, all my Charts

> and data are lost and the Software is re-set for next use. Since I am

> not interested in spending time and reading the Software manual on how

> to save the Old data, I leave this part.

>

> Yes we should analyse the chart with whole mixture and not with one

> placement. Thanks for this information. I will keep this learning in

> mind.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Sudan " <msbohra62@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > I have given my practical example to understand what you have said,we

> should analyze a chart in whole mixture not by any one placement.

> >

> > Janam Lagana says only outlines of Native.

> >

> > In my chalit Mars and Saturn in 10th house rest are same.You know very

> well my chart,we have discussed a lot about it.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > >

> > > A good observation. Thank You.

> > >

> > > Btw how many planets shift to the 12th and the 10th in the Placidus

> Bhav

> > > Chalit and how many remain in the 11th?

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " Sudan "

> <msbohra62@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> > > >

> > > > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

> > > planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in 11th

> house in

> > > Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

> > > >

> > > > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th and

> > > interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in present scenario).

> > > >

> > > > Interesting na !

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > > , Manoj Kumar

> mouji99@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My question was

> > > regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses. What will

> > > Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that Jupiter himself

> > > helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other planet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it vertical

> or

> > > horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it, Jupiter

> here

> > > in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna also.

> Or

> > > say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what expansions

> would it

> > > bring?

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Mouji Ram

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > kiran.rama kiran.rama@

> > > > >

> > > > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th

> > > house (Saravali)

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > > >

> > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > > >

> > > > > Effect 1:

> > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

> > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > > > >

> > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of the

> day

> > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > > > >

> > > > > Effect 2:

> > > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children (phaladeepika

> says

> > > Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case),

> wealthy

> > > etc

> > > > >

> > > > > Effect 3:

> > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not debilitated

> or

> > > detriment here.

> > > > >

> > > > > So overall good effects

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Kiran

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

> > > <mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of

> expansion

> > > and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th

> house,

> > > goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter

> mean.

> > > Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > Mouji

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 16, 2010

Dear Bohra ji,

Good that you have learnt by heart what I normally advise. But what was

the need at this juncture to remind me my own Golden words, when I have

not displayed any action out of line of what I always say. Dosent fit

in.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " Sudan "

<msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> I have just repeated your words !

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohra ji,

> >

> > I really do not remember your chart honestly, and neither have your

> > birth details at my end. I use a Software which has a Key (Pen

Drive)

> > which has to kept attached always to the PC for the software to

work.

> > Many times during the month when my son wants to sit on my PC due to

> > some of his Games loaded on My PC, then I shift either to another

pC, or

> > the Laptop, and in that case I have to remove this Key for the

software

> > to work on the other PC or Laptop. When I remove this key, all my

Charts

> > and data are lost and the Software is re-set for next use. Since I

am

> > not interested in spending time and reading the Software manual on

how

> > to save the Old data, I leave this part.

> >

> > Yes we should analyse the chart with whole mixture and not with one

> > placement. Thanks for this information. I will keep this learning in

> > mind.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Sudan "

<msbohra62@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > I have given my practical example to understand what you have

said,we

> > should analyze a chart in whole mixture not by any one placement.

> > >

> > > Janam Lagana says only outlines of Native.

> > >

> > > In my chalit Mars and Saturn in 10th house rest are same.You know

very

> > well my chart,we have discussed a lot about it.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > >

> > > > A good observation. Thank You.

> > > >

> > > > Btw how many planets shift to the 12th and the 10th in the

Placidus

> > Bhav

> > > > Chalit and how many remain in the 11th?

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " Sudan "

> > <msbohra62@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

> > > > planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in 11th

> > house in

> > > > Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th and

> > > > interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in present

scenario).

> > > > >

> > > > > Interesting na !

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > >

> > > > > , Manoj Kumar

> > mouji99@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My question

was

> > > > regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses. What

will

> > > > Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that Jupiter

himself

> > > > helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other planet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it

vertical

> > or

> > > > horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it,

Jupiter

> > here

> > > > in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna

also.

> > Or

> > > > say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what expansions

> > would it

> > > > bring?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mouji Ram

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > kiran.rama kiran.rama@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > > > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in

8th

> > > > house (Saravali)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Effect 1:

> > > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

> > > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of

the

> > day

> > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Effect 2:

> > > > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children

(phaladeepika

> > says

> > > > Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case),

> > wealthy

> > > > etc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Effect 3:

> > > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not

debilitated

> > or

> > > > detriment here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So overall good effects

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj

Kumar

> > > > <mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of

> > expansion

> > > > and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th

> > house,

> > > > goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter

> > mean.

> > > > Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > Mouji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 16, 2010

Dear Manoj ji,

I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter is placed in

11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is retrograde. Besides

Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on this Ju. The native is married to a

girl 14 years younger to him. Now he has an extra marital relationship with a

girl 22 years younger to him! Is this the work of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th

house?

blessings,

Renu

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99

wrote:

>

> Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and requested

to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th house and

now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.

>

> regards,

>

> Mouji

>

April 17, 2010

Dear Bhaskar ji,

It was in response to " Yes we should analyse the chart with whole mixture and

not with one placement. Thanks for this information. I will keep this learning

in mind. "

I am in your support that we should not take as it is what have been written in

" Saravali " , " Uttarakalamrit " , " Chmatkar-Chintamani " ,etc.We have to take the

essence and understand what have been said and in which content.

7th lord in 11th,if take it as so many relation ship with opposite sex only by

just one planet placement than we lead to a wrong way.

In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some indications are as Native

have mature partner and they love each other a lot,Native's second child is very

independent and intelligent,Native's younger brother have child with good fate

and they are also learned,Native's maternal grand mother have learned

child,Native's father is in education professional side with all

respect,Native's enemy always in debt,Native is so " Dharmik " ,Native himself earn

the money from education or teaching or from any " Dharmik " sources,

Basically if the native in education field than he received lot of

expansion(gain).He attached with big institutions (Expansion),He have mature

business partner who have some good institutions.

These are my simple observations.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

>

> Good that you have learnt by heart what I normally advise. But what was

> the need at this juncture to remind me my own Golden words, when I have

> not displayed any action out of line of what I always say. Dosent fit

> in.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Sudan "

> <msbohra62@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > I have just repeated your words !

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > >

> > > I really do not remember your chart honestly, and neither have your

> > > birth details at my end. I use a Software which has a Key (Pen

> Drive)

> > > which has to kept attached always to the PC for the software to

> work.

> > > Many times during the month when my son wants to sit on my PC due to

> > > some of his Games loaded on My PC, then I shift either to another

> pC, or

> > > the Laptop, and in that case I have to remove this Key for the

> software

> > > to work on the other PC or Laptop. When I remove this key, all my

> Charts

> > > and data are lost and the Software is re-set for next use. Since I

> am

> > > not interested in spending time and reading the Software manual on

> how

> > > to save the Old data, I leave this part.

> > >

> > > Yes we should analyse the chart with whole mixture and not with one

> > > placement. Thanks for this information. I will keep this learning in

> > > mind.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " Sudan "

> <msbohra62@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > >

> > > > I have given my practical example to understand what you have

> said,we

> > > should analyze a chart in whole mixture not by any one placement.

> > > >

> > > > Janam Lagana says only outlines of Native.

> > > >

> > > > In my chalit Mars and Saturn in 10th house rest are same.You know

> very

> > > well my chart,we have discussed a lot about it.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > A good observation. Thank You.

> > > > >

> > > > > Btw how many planets shift to the 12th and the 10th in the

> Placidus

> > > Bhav

> > > > > Chalit and how many remain in the 11th?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sudan "

> > > <msbohra62@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

> > > > > planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in 11th

> > > house in

> > > > > Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th and

> > > > > interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in present

> scenario).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Interesting na !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Manoj Kumar

> > > mouji99@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My question

> was

> > > > > regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses. What

> will

> > > > > Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that Jupiter

> himself

> > > > > helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other planet.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it

> vertical

> > > or

> > > > > horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it,

> Jupiter

> > > here

> > > > > in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna

> also.

> > > Or

> > > > > say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what expansions

> > > would it

> > > > > bring?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mouji Ram

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > kiran.rama kiran.rama@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in

> 8th

> > > > > house (Saravali)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Effect 1:

> > > > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th house

> > > > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light of

> the

> > > day

> > > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Effect 2:

> > > > > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children

> (phaladeepika

> > > says

> > > > > Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this case),

> > > wealthy

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Effect 3:

> > > > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not

> debilitated

> > > or

> > > > > detriment here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So overall good effects

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj

> Kumar

> > > > > <mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of

> > > expansion

> > > > > and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th

> > > house,

> > > > > goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter

> > > mean.

> > > > > Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > Mouji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Dear Renuji

from your eg. and i have been observing on regular basis that, when any house or planet are under joint influence of Mars and Saturn as in your eg. usually ill luck about the house and planet is experienced by the native.

As in your eg. jupiter as 7th lord in 11th house is jointly aspected by Saturn and Mars, here native is likely to get unsatisfactory results regarding 7th house (spouse in general) and 11th house for long term relationship. However this shall be true to all Lagna rasi.

Here Jupiter is also 10th lord so point, is he having problems in his career matters too? Amit Desai

renunw <renunw Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 12:32:12 AM Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house (Saravali)

Dear Manoj ji,I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter is placed in 11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is retrograde. Besides Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on this Ju. The native is married to a girl 14 years younger to him. Now he has an extra marital relationship with a girl 22 years younger to him! Is this the work of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th house?blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.>

> regards,> > Mouji>

April 17, 2010

Dear Sudan ji,

//7th lord in 11th,if take it as so many relation ship with opposite sex

only by

just one planet placement than we lead to a wrong way.//

In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some indications are

as Native

have mature partner and they love each other a lot,Native's second child

is very

independent and intelligent,Native's younger brother have child with

good fate

and they are also learned,Native's maternal grand mother have learned

child,Native's father is in education professional side with all

respect,Native's enemy always in debt,Native is so " Dharmik " ,Native

himself earn

the money from education or teaching or from any " Dharmik " sources,

When we are talking about just one planet and its placement as Shri

Mouji Bhai was asking about, we can then certainly not keep silent just

because we do not have the positions of the other planets. We were

expected to speak just about the Jupiter in 11th irrespective of other

influences. And we dont mean that every person of Gemini Asc. with Jup

in 11th will have relationships with lots of people from opposite sex.

We are just talking of a possibility due to this placement.

In same way You cannot predict the following only by just one planet

placement otherwise you will be led to a wrong way.

//In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some indications are

as Native have mature partner and they love each other a lot,Native's

second child is very independent and intelligent,Native's younger

brother have child with good fate and they are also learned,Native's

maternal grand mother have learned child,Native's father is in education

professional side with all respect,Native's enemy always in debt,Native

is so " Dharmik " ,Native himself earn the money from education or teaching

or from any " Dharmik " sources//

Ab aur mat pakaana Bhai. Dimaag ka dahi mat banao. aapko mera dimaag

pasand hai toh Bheja fry kar ke mera bhej deta hoon. Par ab baksh

do.Kitna discuss karte ho. Kahin toh seema rakho.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Sudan " <msbohra62

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> It was in response to " Yes we should analyse the chart with whole

mixture and not with one placement. Thanks for this information. I will

keep this learning in mind. "

>

> I am in your support that we should not take as it is what have been

written in " Saravali " , " Uttarakalamrit " , " Chmatkar-Chintamani " ,etc.We have

to take the essence and understand what have been said and in which

content.

>

> 7th lord in 11th,if take it as so many relation ship with opposite sex

only by just one planet placement than we lead to a wrong way.

>

> In Mithun lagana if 7th lord Jupiter in 11th than some indications are

as Native have mature partner and they love each other a lot,Native's

second child is very independent and intelligent,Native's younger

brother have child with good fate and they are also learned,Native's

maternal grand mother have learned child,Native's father is in education

professional side with all respect,Native's enemy always in debt,Native

is so " Dharmik " ,Native himself earn the money from education or teaching

or from any " Dharmik " sources,

>

> Basically if the native in education field than he received lot of

expansion(gain).He attached with big institutions (Expansion),He have

mature business partner who have some good institutions.

>

> These are my simple observations.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohra ji,

> >

> > Good that you have learnt by heart what I normally advise. But what

was

> > the need at this juncture to remind me my own Golden words, when I

have

> > not displayed any action out of line of what I always say. Dosent

fit

> > in.

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Sudan "

> > <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > I have just repeated your words !

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > >

> > > > I really do not remember your chart honestly, and neither have

your

> > > > birth details at my end. I use a Software which has a Key (Pen

> > Drive)

> > > > which has to kept attached always to the PC for the software to

> > work.

> > > > Many times during the month when my son wants to sit on my PC

due to

> > > > some of his Games loaded on My PC, then I shift either to

another

> > pC, or

> > > > the Laptop, and in that case I have to remove this Key for the

> > software

> > > > to work on the other PC or Laptop. When I remove this key, all

my

> > Charts

> > > > and data are lost and the Software is re-set for next use. Since

I

> > am

> > > > not interested in spending time and reading the Software manual

on

> > how

> > > > to save the Old data, I leave this part.

> > > >

> > > > Yes we should analyse the chart with whole mixture and not with

one

> > > > placement. Thanks for this information. I will keep this

learning in

> > > > mind.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " Sudan "

> > <msbohra62@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have given my practical example to understand what you have

> > said,we

> > > > should analyze a chart in whole mixture not by any one

placement.

> > > > >

> > > > > Janam Lagana says only outlines of Native.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my chalit Mars and Saturn in 10th house rest are same.You

know

> > very

> > > > well my chart,we have discussed a lot about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A good observation. Thank You.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Btw how many planets shift to the 12th and the 10th in the

> > Placidus

> > > > Bhav

> > > > > > Chalit and how many remain in the 11th?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Sudan "

> > > > <msbohra62@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mouji Ram ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Interesting discussion is going on, I have seven

> > > > > > planet(Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Mercury,Ketu,Saturn and Sun ) in

11th

> > > > house in

> > > > > > Pisces Ascendant than what expansion in common I have ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Except 5th lord every house lord in 11th which is in 12th

and

> > > > > > interestingly I have three kids (Expansion ! in present

> > scenario).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Interesting na !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Manoj

Kumar

> > > > mouji99@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks. But this I think everyone understands. My

question

> > was

> > > > > > regarding the expansionist attributes of upachaya houses.

What

> > will

> > > > > > Jupiter expand here. And often it is also said, that Jupiter

> > himself

> > > > > > helps expansion, so I chose Jupiter, over any other planet.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Am actually very curious to know the expansions, be it

> > vertical

> > > > or

> > > > > > horizontal. And Bhaskar ji added another dimension to it,

> > Jupiter

> > > > here

> > > > > > in this case also becomes badhakapati. Lets take Kanya Lagna

> > also.

> > > > Or

> > > > > > say, Aries, Lagna, Venus in the eleventh house, what

expansions

> > > > would it

> > > > > > bring?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mouji Ram

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > kiran.rama kiran.rama@

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wed, April 14, 2010 11:58:15 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju

in

> > 8th

> > > > > > house (Saravali)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are 3 effects that will be realized here:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Effect 1:

> > > > > > > > 7th house lord in the 11th house -> This means 11th

house

> > > > > > significations revealed through 7H causes -> This can mean

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 'gains/income/ sudden gain/ambitions' seeing the light

of

> > the

> > > > day

> > > > > > through 'partnerships/ business/ spouse/long journeys'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Effect 2:

> > > > > > > > Jupiter in 11H;

> > > > > > > > This means he is also aspecting 5H, 3H, 7H

> > > > > > > > Now this should mean good wealth, good children

> > (phaladeepika

> > > > says

> > > > > > Ju in 11H means few children - seems illogical in this

case),

> > > > wealthy

> > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Effect 3:

> > > > > > > > Mithuna lagna - this means 11H is Aries. Ju is not

> > debilitated

> > > > or

> > > > > > detriment here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So overall good effects

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

Manoj

> > Kumar

> > > > > > <mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of

> > > > expansion

> > > > > > and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of

7th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of

Jupiter

> > > > mean.

> > > > > > Say for Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > Mouji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Good observations. Whenever Mars and Saturn jointly influence (Aspect) a

house, one may consider it as gone and lost.

Not only Mars is aspecting Jupiter who is the 7th Lord, but also the 7th

House.

Now I dont think that this friendship of his with a much younger girl,

is caused due to retro Jupiter This could be in fact the handiwork of

Mars. Mars is the Lord of the 6th house, therefore will break the 7th

house significations being 12th Lord from the 7th house. Furthermore

Mars and Saturn both contribute to spoiling the 11th house of

friendships.

regards/Bhaskar.

, amit desai

<amitwho wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji

> from your eg. and i have been observing on regular basis that, when

any house or planet are under joint influence of Mars and Saturn as in

your eg. usually ill luck about the house and planet is experienced by

the native.

> As in your eg. jupiter as 7th lord in 11th house is jointly aspected

by Saturn and Mars, here native is likely to get unsatisfactory results

regarding 7th house (spouse in general) and 11th house for long term

relationship. However this shall be true to all Lagna rasi.

> Here Jupiter is also 10th lord so point, is he having problems in his

career matters too?

> Â Amit Desai

>

> ________________________________

> renunw renunw

>

> Sat, April 17, 2010 12:32:12 AM

> Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house

(Saravali)

>

> Â

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter is

placed in 11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is

retrograde. Besides Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on this

Ju. The native is married to a girl 14 years younger to him. Now he has

an extra marital relationship with a girl 22 years younger to him! Is

this the work of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th house?

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

mouji99@ > wrote:

> >

> > Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and

requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes

to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for

Mithuna lagna.

> > Â

> > regards,

> > Â

> > Mouji

> >

>

April 17, 2010

Please post the details Renu ji.

regards,

Manoj

renunw <renunw Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 12:02:12 PM Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house (Saravali)

Dear Manoj ji,I have a typical example of a Mithuna lagna native where Jupiter is placed in 11th house and native leading an immoral life. Here Ju is retrograde. Besides Sa's 3rd aspect and Ma's 8th aspect falls on this Ju. The native is married to a girl 14 years younger to him. Now he has an extra marital relationship with a girl 22 years younger to him! Is this the work of retro Ju, the 7th lord in 11th house?blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> Those who consider that Upachaya houses are houses of expansion and requested to answer a small question. Jupiter as lord of 7th house, goes to 11th house and now what would this placement of Jupiter mean. Say for Mithuna lagna.>

> regards,> > Mouji>

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