Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Saravali says:If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is goodIf Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is goodf Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is badThis is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results in 8th house - and opposite for JuThanksKiran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Kiran Ji,You must have gone through many horoscopes;What are your personal views about Mercury in 8th house. Venus in 8th house. Is Jupiter in 8th bad even if beneficial planets are posited in 2nd and 4th house. RegardskulbirOn Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote: Saravali says:If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is goodIf Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is goodf Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is badThis is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results in 8th house - and opposite for JuThanksKiran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Theres an answer for every Doubt you raise - BUT what is your own inferences and explanations of the Why ? We just cannot put references from the texts, and then display doubts about same. Show the understanding of the dictums and logical arguments if you have to display your doubts about the great Writers of Yore. And do not question the Astrologers of this Group in every posting of yours. . All are Great here. What greatness do you have., put it on display.. Bhaskar... , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote: > > Saravali says: > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > Thanks > Kiran > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Bhaskarji, No one is questioning the sages here. We are trying to better understand them. My understanding is: Benefics in 8th house have their significations hampered. But in this case, Ve & Me are prospering in the 8th house while Ju is not. What is the reason and inference? Ok, what is Bhaskarji's inference? - That I am questioning the sages!! Take a break and try to answer. If you can't, then be quiet. Don't speak on behalf of the group like an elected astrologer. Thanks Kiran , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Theres an answer for every Doubt you raise - > > BUT what is your own inferences and explanations of the Why ? > > We just cannot put references from the texts, and then display doubts > about same. > > Show the understanding of the dictums and logical arguments if you have > to display your doubts about the great Writers of Yore. > > And do not question the Astrologers of this Group in every posting of > yours. . All are Great here. What greatness do you have., put it on > display.. > > Bhaskar... > > , " kiran.rama " > <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > Saravali says: > > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names > (titles), > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, > be > > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good > results > > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > Thanks > > Kiran > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Hi Kulbir: My understanding is that benefic planets in 8th house have their significations harmed Consider 8th house and planet in it alone - only if you can isolate individual effects, can you explain overall. So from the initial understanding, all benefics must have their significations harmed in the 8th house - Why should Me and Ve in 8th house prosper while Ju doesn't? - sounds counter-intuitive. See if Me is in 8th house and Mars is conjunct Me within 1 or 2 degrees, Me will be ruined - you can use combinations to explain anything. Point is: in Saravali, KalyanaVarma is isolating effects of each planet alone in a house. Why does he say Ju is harmed while Me and Ve prosper? Thanks Kiran Thanks Kiran , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Kiran Ji, > You must have gone through many horoscopes; > What are your personal views about Mercury in 8th house. Venus in 8th > house. > Is Jupiter in 8th bad even if beneficial planets are posited in 2nd and 4th > house. > Regards > kulbir > > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote: > > > > > > > Saravali says: > > *If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, or > > will become a justice.* ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > *If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment after > > moment will feel delighted. --> *Venus in 8th house is good > > *f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be a > > servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union with > > dirty women. **--> *Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results in > > 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > Thanks > > Kiran > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Dear Kiran ji, Namaste. In astrology everything is not as simple as it looks. You are only considering me, ve and ju from the angle that they are natural benefic planets, hence they should give similar results. What about the nature of mercury?(quick learner and quick to compromise, easily influenced, communications skills) Similarly consider venus(straightforward, just, fond of luxuries/status) Jupiter- teacher/preacher,spiritual, detached or aloof) If you consider the natural kalpurush chart, with mesh lagna, mercury become 3 and 6L in 8H, venus becomes the 2L and 7L in the 8H, and jupiter becomes the 9L and 12L in the 8H. Jupiter as natural 9L, placed in 12th from its natural house will give lost of fortune and dishonour. When there are subh planets in 8H, lifespan is not usually curtailed, but the illnesses they represent will be there especially if they have association with lagna or lagnesh, in the appropriate periods. The lordships of the houses of the planet in 8H will suffer, but it will be different for each of the 2 houses it owns, depending on its placement from house concerned. The karka status of planets in 8H will also diminish. The 8H is also 2nd from 7H, so the lifespan of the marriage is also indicated here. Subh planets in 8H, will generally give longivity of marriage, unless the planet is in enemy rashi and malefically aspected or deb/combust. As 2H represents finance and family, 8H being 2nd from 7H, with subh planets, fortunes increase through the partner and family relations with in-laws is cordial. warmest regards Sheevani , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote: > > Saravali says: > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > Thanks > Kiran > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Dear Group, I posted this mail in another list. I think I will post it to our list as well as it might be a good guide to those who are interested in understanding the Texts though the eyes of KAS. Cheers !!! Ash -------------- Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house (Saravali) Dear Kiran ji, Take Kalpurush chart. Me rules 3rd and 6th house. It is placed in 8th house. Therefore as 3rd lord its placed in upchay i.e. 6th from 3rd and as 6th lord its placed in 3rd from 6th. Therefore the results of these 2 house will get enhanced. 6th house is Upchay for 1st house and so in KAS terms LoE is in House A. or in other words, the results of 1st house is enhanced. 8th house is KARAK sthan for 1st and its natural lord is Mars. 3rd house is Mool Karak sthan for 1st house and its lord is in Karak sthan. Regarding Rich, again 8th house is 10th from 11th house. Now Mercury is in upchay sthan for 11th house. Now 6th house (natural 6th is Virgo) so natural 6th lord is in 3rd from own house so upchay sthan and then again from phal sthan i.e. 11th house its in 10th so again in upchay. 6th house is KARAK sthan for 11th which is success. So the native will be very rich. The upchay theory is the underlying theory behind this and if you use the same theory for most of the results given in classics so many things will get clear. Case 2 Ve is 8th house. Ve rules 2nd and 7th house. From 7th house its in dhan sthan. From 2nd house its in opposition to it. 8th house is upchay sthan from 11th and in 11th from 10th as well. So upchay to both the house of authority and income. So like that. Case 3 Ju rules natural 12th and 9th house. As natual 9th lord its in 8th house i.e. in 12th from 8th which is not conducive to matters of luck. A person might have to face hard ships. Now as 12th lord in 8th house, means its upchay for 3rd house i.e. 10th from 3rd and its placed in 6th house from 3rd therefore the results of 3rd house will get enhanced. Therefore such a person will have to work hard in life. Now it means the opposite house of luck (9th) house is triggering which is hard work. So all the attributes like serving people, associating with lower class people etc are psychology associated with such. All this is based on kalpurush chart. So many things will change based on lord ship. If Guru rules 8th and itself is placed in 8th house then it will become sarla yoga so things change. For Virgo lagna if Ve is in 8th house then ........ Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote: > > Saravali says: > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > Thanks > Kiran > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Kiran ji, I am not an elected astrologer, but do not try to take the astrologers as fools over here, and make them look like fools. Every posting of yours is offensive to say tghe least, trying to attacka nd question the knowledge of the astrologers here. I can answer any question put up by you with good logic and arguments, but do not cast pearls before... Let me notice the eligibility in You to demand the answer, and you will receive it without asking. I dont keep quiet at your instance, but at the owners instance.. here the Owner of the Group is not You. You are just quoting Copy paste lines from the texts and looking for contradictions and enjoying the same and also trying to make the sages look like fools. If You find these texts not in order, then stop quoting them, and show the members here, what do You know better without trying to correct them for faults which appear to you, but not actually there in reality... Its very easy to put a Cockroach' in a Coca Cola Bottle and file a suit on the company. thats how the people these days function and run their homes, by first fiinga claim and then receiving money underhand for removing the same. Try to build a Coca Cola factory if You can, do not try to lower their integrity by such underhand methods. try to be a King, do not try to throw stones at the crown of some King. The punishment otherwise woud be severe. thanks. Bhaskar. , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote: > > Bhaskarji, > > No one is questioning the sages here. We are trying to better understand them. > > My understanding is: Benefics in 8th house have their significations hampered. But in this case, Ve & Me are prospering in the 8th house while Ju is not. > > What is the reason and inference? > Ok, what is Bhaskarji's inference? - That I am questioning the sages!! > > Take a break and try to answer. If you can't, then be quiet. > Don't speak on behalf of the group like an elected astrologer. > > Thanks > Kiran > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Theres an answer for every Doubt you raise - > > > > BUT what is your own inferences and explanations of the Why ? > > > > We just cannot put references from the texts, and then display doubts > > about same. > > > > Show the understanding of the dictums and logical arguments if you have > > to display your doubts about the great Writers of Yore. > > > > And do not question the Astrologers of this Group in every posting of > > yours. . All are Great here. What greatness do you have., put it on > > display.. > > > > Bhaskar... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kiran.rama " > > <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > Saravali says: > > > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names > > (titles), > > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > > > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > > > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > > > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, > > be > > > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > > > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good > > results > > > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Dear Kubir ji, Ask this wise appearing man, why does Amitabh bachhan stand at the levels he is, even after having a number of planets in the 8th house... best wishes, Bhaskar. , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote: > > > Hi Kulbir: > > My understanding is that benefic planets in 8th house have their significations harmed > > Consider 8th house and planet in it alone - only if you can isolate individual effects, can you explain overall. > > So from the initial understanding, all benefics must have their significations harmed in the 8th house - Why should Me and Ve in 8th house prosper while Ju doesn't? - sounds counter-intuitive. > > See if Me is in 8th house and Mars is conjunct Me within 1 or 2 degrees, Me will be ruined - you can use combinations to explain anything. > > Point is: in Saravali, KalyanaVarma is isolating effects of each planet alone in a house. Why does he say Ju is harmed while Me and Ve prosper? > > Thanks > Kiran > > Thanks > Kiran > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > Kiran Ji, > > You must have gone through many horoscopes; > > What are your personal views about Mercury in 8th house. Venus in 8th > > house. > > Is Jupiter in 8th bad even if beneficial planets are posited in 2nd and 4th > > house. > > Regards > > kulbir > > > > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Saravali says: > > > *If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, or > > > will become a justice.* ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > > *If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment after > > > moment will feel delighted. --> *Venus in 8th house is good > > > *f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be a > > > servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union with > > > dirty women. **--> *Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results in > > > 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dear Kiran ji, Take Kalpurush chart. Me rules 3rd and 6th house. It is placed in 8th house. Therefore as 3rd lord its placed in upchay i.e. 6th from 3rd and as 6th lord its placed in 3rd from 6th. Therefore the results of these 2 house will get enhanced. 6th house is Upchay for 1st house and so in KAS terms LoE is in House A. or in other words, the results of 1st house is enhanced. 8th house is KARAK sthan for 1st and its natural lord is Mars. 3rd house is Mool Karak sthan for 1st house and its lord is in Karak sthan. Regarding Rich, again 8th house is 10th from 11th house. Now Mercury is in upchay sthan for 11th house. Now 6th house (natural 6th is Virgo) so natural 6th lord is in 3rd from own house so upchay sthan and then again from phal sthan i.e. 11th house its in 10th so again in upchay. 6th house is KARAK sthan for 11th which is success. So the native will be very rich. The upchay theory is the underlying theory behind this and if you use the same theory for most of the results given in classics so many things will get clear. Case 2 Ve is 8th house. Ve rules 2nd and 7th house. From 7th house its in dhan sthan. From 2nd house its in opposition to it. 8th house is upchay sthan from 11th and in 11th from 10th as well. So upchay to both the house of authority and income. So like that. Case 3 Ju rules natural 12th and 9th house. As natual 9th lord its in 8th house i.e. in 12th from 8th which is not conducive to matters of luck. A person might have to face hard ships. Now as 12th lord in 8th house, means its upchay for 3rd house i.e. 10th from 3rd and its placed in 6th house from 3rd therefore the results of 3rd house will get enhanced. Therefore such a person will have to work hard in life. Now it means the opposite house of luck (9th) house is triggering which is hard work. So all the attributes like serving people, associating with lower class people etc are psychology associated with such. All this is based on kalpurush chart. So many things will change based on lord ship. If Guru rules 8th and itself is placed in 8th house then it will become sarla yoga so things change. For Virgo lagna if Ve is in 8th house then ........ Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote: > > Saravali says: > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > Thanks > Kiran > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dear friend, Just do not go by the general statements. Mercury and Venus in 8th house only if otherwise strong gives good result. So also Jupiter. Strength is the main factor. By the way what Saravali means to say is that the 8th house blemsih(planet placed within 5 degree distance from a negative house such as 8th or 12th house gets afflicted) is not attached to Venus as well as Mercury when it 8th house Rasi is not their sign of exaltation, own house, mooltrikon etc. or when they are otherwise not afflicted. Simple 8th house placement of Mercury or Venus can not protect against other types of general weakness or afflictions. Regards, Mrutyunjay Tripathy vedic astrology , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote: > > Saravali says: > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good > results in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > Thanks > Kiran > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dear Bhaskar Ji;I was trying to help Kiran ji by my own example.I was reading theory theory theory......... until your goodself guided me that the only method to know astrology is to put it in practice and then learn. From then I started analyzing horoscopes and began my true journey. A few case studies taught me What volumes of books couldn't. Kiran ji When Mr. Bhaskar says something, it is backed by his practical training. please try to get the essence of his messages.Sometimes it is misinterpreted as if he is scolding but he is just doing his duty. regardsKulbirOn Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Kubir ji, Ask this wise appearing man, why does Amitabh bachhan stand at the levels he is, even after having a number of planets in the 8th house... best wishes, Bhaskar. , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote: > > > Hi Kulbir: > > My understanding is that benefic planets in 8th house have their significations harmed > > Consider 8th house and planet in it alone - only if you can isolate individual effects, can you explain overall. > > So from the initial understanding, all benefics must have their significations harmed in the 8th house - Why should Me and Ve in 8th house prosper while Ju doesn't? - sounds counter-intuitive. > > See if Me is in 8th house and Mars is conjunct Me within 1 or 2 degrees, Me will be ruined - you can use combinations to explain anything. > > Point is: in Saravali, KalyanaVarma is isolating effects of each planet alone in a house. Why does he say Ju is harmed while Me and Ve prosper? > > Thanks > Kiran > > Thanks > Kiran > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > Kiran Ji, > > You must have gone through many horoscopes; > > What are your personal views about Mercury in 8th house. Venus in 8th > > house. > > Is Jupiter in 8th bad even if beneficial planets are posited in 2nd and 4th > > house. > > Regards > > kulbir > > > > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Saravali says: > > > *If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, or > > > will become a justice.* ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > > *If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment after > > > moment will feel delighted. --> *Venus in 8th house is good > > > *f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be a > > > servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union with > > > dirty women. **--> *Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results in > > > 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dear Kulbir ji, Thanks for understanding my intentions. I have nothing against Kiran ji or anybody else in this world, except I try to help where I can without being asked to. This reminds me of a instance - Last month I had to take my wife to the Bank for some signatures and FD encashments. Since she goes to the Yoga class every morning I decided to pick her up from there itself. When I reached the class which is situated on a Cemented structure on a Big playground, I noticed some young boys from middle class families, sitting and smoking Cigarettes and playing chess and just standing around. Among them was a very fearful looking Big heavy and huge Guy with a big beard, white Topi, and black flowing beard with a white Arabian robe. He was of course a fearful looking Muslim. Their behaviours near a Yoga class was somehow detesteable and making me aversive and creating resentments in me. I wanted to speak to them a word or two. But was fearful that if this big guy takes a offensive and gives me one blow with his big hand, I would be down immediately. And he was also smoking. But soon I put these thougts behind, replaced them with some positive thoughts and brougt in a spirit of confidence and a casual attitude and decided to go ahead. I decided to strike at the King of that Gang. Nothing less will do for Bhaskar. I dont strike small mouses. Their backs were facing towards me. I just went and tapped that Big Guy a little not so softly on his back, and said " Hello. Good morning " . with a smile. " Nice to see you young guys here. " " I want to tell you someting , and please you must not mind " . Before they could reply I continued without allowing them any moment to think and speak . I said " Its nice to see you here playing Intelligent games like Chess, but you will appreciate that this is a playground where school students , young and big children, sportsmen all come to improve their health, and if you Guys are seen smoking here, what will the young school children learn and idolise from you elders. You are the shining stars of tomorrow. Smoking is not a crime but this is not the right place for it. If you see some sense in my words, then its fine otherwise I am sorry for having disturbed You. " These words were mentioned to the fat and Huge Guy directly and distictly in a raised but polite voice. The response was, that he immediately threw away the cigarette and crushed the butt under his shoes, and so did the others. I did say that " Please finish your cigarette , I did not mean to waste your money " . But they understood and realised their action, were apologetic and did the needful with a Sorry. We parted with smiles around. So its the duty of every responsible citizen if he is present somewhere and notices matters amiss or unetically poised, either leave the place or register a protest. Same way as an astrologer who is responsible , I just interfere to set matters rigt, but otherwise noting personal. If a person cannot speak out against injustice, then its better for him to leave the assembly. I am allowed to speak here, so I do. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar Ji; > I was trying to help Kiran ji by my own example.I was reading theory theory > theory......... until your goodself guided me that the only method to know > astrology is to put it in practice and then learn. From then I > started analyzing horoscopes and began my true journey. A few case studies > taught me What volumes of books couldn't. > > Kiran ji When Mr. Bhaskar says something, it is backed by his practical > training. please try to get the essence of his messages. > Sometimes it is misinterpreted as if he is scolding but he is just doing his > duty. > regards > Kulbir > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotishwrote: > > > > > > > Dear Kubir ji, > > > > Ask this wise appearing man, why does Amitabh bachhan stand at the levels > > he is, even after having a number of planets in the 8th house... > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > --- In <%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > " kiran.rama " kiran.rama@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Kulbir: > > > > > > My understanding is that benefic planets in 8th house have their > > significations harmed > > > > > > Consider 8th house and planet in it alone - only if you can isolate > > individual effects, can you explain overall. > > > > > > So from the initial understanding, all benefics must have their > > significations harmed in the 8th house - Why should Me and Ve in 8th house > > prosper while Ju doesn't? - sounds counter-intuitive. > > > > > > See if Me is in 8th house and Mars is conjunct Me within 1 or 2 degrees, > > Me will be ruined - you can use combinations to explain anything. > > > > > > Point is: in Saravali, KalyanaVarma is isolating effects of each planet > > alone in a house. Why does he say Ju is harmed while Me and Ve prosper? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > --- In <%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Kiran Ji, > > > > You must have gone through many horoscopes; > > > > What are your personal views about Mercury in 8th house. Venus in 8th > > > > house. > > > > Is Jupiter in 8th bad even if beneficial planets are posited in 2nd and > > 4th > > > > house. > > > > Regards > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saravali says: > > > > > *If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names > > (titles), > > > > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a > > king, or > > > > > will become a justice.* ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > > > > *If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > > > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > > after > > > > > moment will feel delighted. --> *Venus in 8th house is good > > > > > *f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, > > be a > > > > > servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > > with > > > > > dirty women. **--> *Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > > > > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good > > results in > > > > > 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 I think prediction of these ( any ) placement of planets is based on the other laws of the planet too - Like Jupiter is not a secretive planet and it is said that it harms the significations of the Bhava in which it sits. 8th house being secretive knowledge bhava that is the reason why it must be bad in that.Just thinking. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Sun, 11/4/10, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote: kiran.rama <kiran.rama Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house (Saravali) Date: Sunday, 11 April, 2010, 9:24 PM Hi Kulbir:My understanding is that benefic planets in 8th house have their significations harmed Consider 8th house and planet in it alone - only if you can isolate individual effects, can you explain overall.So from the initial understanding, all benefics must have their significations harmed in the 8th house - Why should Me and Ve in 8th house prosper while Ju doesn't? - sounds counter-intuitive.See if Me is in 8th house and Mars is conjunct Me within 1 or 2 degrees, Me will be ruined - you can use combinations to explain anything.Point is: in Saravali, KalyanaVarma is isolating effects of each planet alone in a house. Why does he say Ju is harmed while Me and Ve prosper?ThanksKiranThanksKiranancient_indian_ astrology, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:>> Kiran Ji,> You must have gone through many horoscopes;> What are your personal views about Mercury in 8th house. Venus in 8th> house.> Is Jupiter in 8th bad even if beneficial planets are posited in 2nd and 4th> house.> Regards> kulbir> > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@ ...> wrote:> > >> >> > Saravali says:> > *If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles),> > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, or> > will become a justice.* ---> Mercury in 8th house is good> > *If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy> > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment after> > moment will feel delighted. --> *Venus in 8th house is good> > *f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be a> > servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union with> > dirty women. **--> *Jupiter in 8th house is bad> >> > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results in> > 8th house - and opposite for Ju> > Thanks> > Kiran> > > >>Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dear Ash ji, I have few differences to what you have written. 3rd in 8th is not a good combination (Prasara) 7th in 8th is not a good combination (Prasara) 12th in 8th is a good combination (Prasara). From and how we are assuming 7th in 8th or 3rd in 8th as good combination. And why we are assuming 12th in 8th as bad? regds Dev , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Kiran ji, > > Take Kalpurush chart. > > Me rules 3rd and 6th house. It is placed in 8th house. Therefore as 3rd lord its placed in upchay i.e. 6th from 3rd and as 6th lord its placed in 3rd from 6th. Therefore the results of these 2 house will get enhanced. 6th house is Upchay for 1st house and so in KAS terms LoE is in House A. or in other words, the results of 1st house is enhanced. 8th house is KARAK sthan for 1st and its natural lord is Mars. 3rd house is Mool Karak sthan for 1st house and its lord is in Karak sthan. > > Regarding Rich, again 8th house is 10th from 11th house. Now Mercury is in upchay sthan for 11th house. Now 6th house (natural 6th is Virgo) so natural 6th lord is in 3rd from own house so upchay sthan and then again from phal sthan i.e. 11th house its in 10th so again in upchay. 6th house is KARAK sthan for 11th which is success. So the native will be very rich. > > The upchay theory is the underlying theory behind this and if you use the same theory for most of the results given in classics so many things will get clear. > > Case 2 > Ve is 8th house. Ve rules 2nd and 7th house. From 7th house its in dhan sthan. From 2nd house its in opposition to it. 8th house is upchay sthan from 11th and in 11th from 10th as well. So upchay to both the house of authority and income. So like that. > > Case 3 > > Ju rules natural 12th and 9th house. As natual 9th lord its in 8th house i.e. in 12th from 8th which is not conducive to matters of luck. A person might have to face hard ships. Now as 12th lord in 8th house, means its upchay for 3rd house i.e. 10th from 3rd and its placed in 6th house from 3rd therefore the results of 3rd house will get enhanced. Therefore such a person will have to work hard in life. Now it means the opposite house of luck (9th) house is triggering which is hard work. So all the attributes like serving people, associating with lower class people etc are psychology associated with such. > > All this is based on kalpurush chart. So many things will change based on lord ship. > > If Guru rules 8th and itself is placed in 8th house then it will become sarla yoga so things change. > > For Virgo lagna if Ve is in 8th house then ........ > > Hope that helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > Saravali says: > > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be > > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results > > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > Thanks > > Kiran > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Excellent post! Thank you. , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Group, > I posted this mail in another list. I think I will post it to our list as well as it might be a good guide to those who are interested in understanding the Texts though the eyes of KAS. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > -------------- > > > Re: Ve vs. Me vs. Ju in 8th house (Saravali) > > Dear Kiran ji, > > Take Kalpurush chart. > > Me rules 3rd and 6th house. It is placed in 8th house. Therefore as 3rd lord > its placed in upchay i.e. 6th from 3rd and as 6th lord its placed in 3rd from > 6th. Therefore the results of these 2 house will get enhanced. 6th house is > Upchay for 1st house and so in KAS terms LoE is in House A. or in other words, > the results of 1st house is enhanced. 8th house is KARAK sthan for 1st and its > natural lord is Mars. 3rd house is Mool Karak sthan for 1st house and its lord > is in Karak sthan. > > Regarding Rich, again 8th house is 10th from 11th house. Now Mercury is in > upchay sthan for 11th house. Now 6th house (natural 6th is Virgo) so natural > 6th lord is in 3rd from own house so upchay sthan and then again from phal sthan > i.e. 11th house its in 10th so again in upchay. 6th house is KARAK sthan for > 11th which is success. So the native will be very rich. > > The upchay theory is the underlying theory behind this and if you use the same > theory for most of the results given in classics so many things will get clear. > > Case 2 > Ve is 8th house. Ve rules 2nd and 7th house. From 7th house its in dhan sthan. > From 2nd house its in opposition to it. 8th house is upchay sthan from 11th and > in 11th from 10th as well. So upchay to both the house of authority and income. > So like that. > > Case 3 > > Ju rules natural 12th and 9th house. As natual 9th lord its in 8th house i.e. > in 12th from 8th which is not conducive to matters of luck. A person might have > to face hard ships. Now as 12th lord in 8th house, means its upchay for 3rd > house i.e. 10th from 3rd and its placed in 6th house from 3rd therefore the > results of 3rd house will get enhanced. Therefore such a person will have to > work hard in life. Now it means the opposite house of luck (9th) house is > triggering which is hard work. So all the attributes like serving people, > associating with lower class people etc are psychology associated with such. > > All this is based on kalpurush chart. So many things will change based on lord > ship. > > If Guru rules 8th and itself is placed in 8th house then it will become sarla > yoga so things change. > > For Virgo lagna if Ve is in 8th house then ........ > > Hope that helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> > wrote: > > > > Saravali says: > > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be > > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results > > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > Thanks > > Kiran > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji,Amla kaa khaya aur syaanee ka mshvara pehle kadwa lagta hai par baad mein meetha.The taste of Indian gooseberry and guidance from an experienced person taste bitter at first instance but really sweet afterwards. Je Gur Jhidhake tan meetha laage, je baksh de tan Gur vadiyayi.// I decided to strike at the King of that Gang. Nothing less will do for Bhaskar. I dont strike small mouses// Typical Signature style of Mr. Bhaskar.RegardskulbirOn Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Kulbir ji, Thanks for understanding my intentions. I have nothing against Kiran ji or anybody else in this world, except I try to help where I can without being asked to. This reminds me of a instance - Last month I had to take my wife to the Bank for some signatures and FD encashments. Since she goes to the Yoga class every morning I decided to pick her up from there itself. When I reached the class which is situated on a Cemented structure on a Big playground, I noticed some young boys from middle class families, sitting and smoking Cigarettes and playing chess and just standing around. Among them was a very fearful looking Big heavy and huge Guy with a big beard, white Topi, and black flowing beard with a white Arabian robe. He was of course a fearful looking Muslim. Their behaviours near a Yoga class was somehow detesteable and making me aversive and creating resentments in me. I wanted to speak to them a word or two. But was fearful that if this big guy takes a offensive and gives me one blow with his big hand, I would be down immediately. And he was also smoking. But soon I put these thougts behind, replaced them with some positive thoughts and brougt in a spirit of confidence and a casual attitude and decided to go ahead. I decided to strike at the King of that Gang. Nothing less will do for Bhaskar. I dont strike small mouses. Their backs were facing towards me. I just went and tapped that Big Guy a little not so softly on his back, and said " Hello. Good morning " . with a smile. " Nice to see you young guys here. " " I want to tell you someting , and please you must not mind " . Before they could reply I continued without allowing them any moment to think and speak . I said " Its nice to see you here playing Intelligent games like Chess, but you will appreciate that this is a playground where school students , young and big children, sportsmen all come to improve their health, and if you Guys are seen smoking here, what will the young school children learn and idolise from you elders. You are the shining stars of tomorrow. Smoking is not a crime but this is not the right place for it. If you see some sense in my words, then its fine otherwise I am sorry for having disturbed You. " These words were mentioned to the fat and Huge Guy directly and distictly in a raised but polite voice. The response was, that he immediately threw away the cigarette and crushed the butt under his shoes, and so did the others. I did say that " Please finish your cigarette , I did not mean to waste your money " . But they understood and realised their action, were apologetic and did the needful with a Sorry. We parted with smiles around. So its the duty of every responsible citizen if he is present somewhere and notices matters amiss or unetically poised, either leave the place or register a protest. Same way as an astrologer who is responsible , I just interfere to set matters rigt, but otherwise noting personal. If a person cannot speak out against injustice, then its better for him to leave the assembly. I am allowed to speak here, so I do. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar Ji; > I was trying to help Kiran ji by my own example.I was reading theory theory > theory......... until your goodself guided me that the only method to know > astrology is to put it in practice and then learn. From then I > started analyzing horoscopes and began my true journey. A few case studies > taught me What volumes of books couldn't. > > Kiran ji When Mr. Bhaskar says something, it is backed by his practical > training. please try to get the essence of his messages. > Sometimes it is misinterpreted as if he is scolding but he is just doing his > duty. > regards > Kulbir > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotishwrote: > > > > > > > Dear Kubir ji, > > > > Ask this wise appearing man, why does Amitabh bachhan stand at the levels > > he is, even after having a number of planets in the 8th house... > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > --- In <%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > " kiran.rama " kiran.rama@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Kulbir: > > > > > > My understanding is that benefic planets in 8th house have their > > significations harmed > > > > > > Consider 8th house and planet in it alone - only if you can isolate > > individual effects, can you explain overall. > > > > > > So from the initial understanding, all benefics must have their > > significations harmed in the 8th house - Why should Me and Ve in 8th house > > prosper while Ju doesn't? - sounds counter-intuitive. > > > > > > See if Me is in 8th house and Mars is conjunct Me within 1 or 2 degrees, > > Me will be ruined - you can use combinations to explain anything. > > > > > > Point is: in Saravali, KalyanaVarma is isolating effects of each planet > > alone in a house. Why does he say Ju is harmed while Me and Ve prosper? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > --- In <%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Kiran Ji, > > > > You must have gone through many horoscopes; > > > > What are your personal views about Mercury in 8th house. Venus in 8th > > > > house. > > > > Is Jupiter in 8th bad even if beneficial planets are posited in 2nd and > > 4th > > > > house. > > > > Regards > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saravali says: > > > > > *If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names > > (titles), > > > > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a > > king, or > > > > > will become a justice.* ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > > > > *If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > > > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > > after > > > > > moment will feel delighted. --> *Venus in 8th house is good > > > > > *f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, > > be a > > > > > servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > > with > > > > > dirty women. **--> *Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > > > > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good > > results in > > > > > 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Read, Study and understand well before Quoting someone or attempting to discredit. //Point is: in Saravali, KalyanaVarma is isolating effects of each planet alone in a house. Why does he say Ju is harmed while Me and Ve prosper? // // from the initial understanding, all benefics must have their significations harmed in the 8th house - Why should Me and Ve in 8th house prosper while Ju doesn't? - sounds counter-intuitive.// Even a fool knowing basic astrology knows that the significations of houses are generally advanced if benefic planets occupy them, and reduced if malefic ones occupy same. But in case of the 6th, 8th and the 12th Bhavas, the effects are reversed. Rread the shlokas of Satyacharya ,. also read what Bhattotpala says about longevity factor when benefics are placed in the 8th and malefics are placed in the 8th. This will give one the answer why 8th house will not prosper with Jupiter in it. But again this is a general blanket statement for fools to read and aply as it is while narrating results of Jupiter in 8th. Just Jupiter being placed in 8th will not be the isolated cause for a reduced or enhanced longevity for instance. Treat same for other good and bad effects of Jupiter in 8th. If Astrology was so easy then even a (Nariyal paani bechnewala) Coconut Water seller would trun an Astrologer overnight by reading statements from text books of astrology. Dear Friend, I expect you to please present to the members of this Forum, what are the views of Kalyan Verma for Jupiter in 8th, Mercury in 8th and Venus in 8th, FOR EACH ASCENDANT , before jumping to conclusions... Bhaskar. , "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama wrote:>> > Hi Kulbir:> > My understanding is that benefic planets in 8th house have their significations harmed > > Consider 8th house and planet in it alone - only if you can isolate individual effects, can you explain overall.> > So from the initial understanding, all benefics must have their significations harmed in the 8th house - Why should Me and Ve in 8th house prosper while Ju doesn't? - sounds counter-intuitive.> > See if Me is in 8th house and Mars is conjunct Me within 1 or 2 degrees, Me will be ruined - you can use combinations to explain anything.> > Point is: in Saravali, KalyanaVarma is isolating effects of each planet alone in a house. Why does he say Ju is harmed while Me and Ve prosper?> > Thanks> Kiran> > Thanks> Kiran> > , Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:> >> > Kiran Ji,> > You must have gone through many horoscopes;> > What are your personal views about Mercury in 8th house. Venus in 8th> > house.> > Is Jupiter in 8th bad even if beneficial planets are posited in 2nd and 4th> > house.> > Regards> > kulbir> > > > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM, kiran.rama kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > >> > >> > > Saravali says:> > > *If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles),> > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, or> > > will become a justice.* ---> Mercury in 8th house is good> > > *If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy> > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment after> > > moment will feel delighted. --> *Venus in 8th house is good> > > *f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be a> > > servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union with> > > dirty women. **--> *Jupiter in 8th house is bad> > >> > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results in> > > 8th house - and opposite for Ju> > > Thanks> > > Kiran> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Once again a Blanket statement with no grounds whatsoever... //See if Me is in 8th house and Mars is conjunct Me within 1 or 2 degrees, Me will be ruined - you can use combinations to explain anything.// Stop thinking negative and also look for the positive effects. Effects of a good combination - Will make native a very energetic and alert person. He will never be lazy. Ability to organise and offer original and novel ideas enhanced. Makes him lively, witty, practical and ingenious. Will take keen interest in work and show great zeal. Inclination towards instrumental music . In Watery signs may be attached to boiler and mechancial engineering. In Airy signs, attached to Aircrafts. In Fiery signs, attached to Industries, factories. Good for Intraday speculations - buying and selling . Effects of a Bad Combination- Impulsive and rash . Irritation on nerves. May suffer from epilepsy,fits or brain disorders. Colic pains, Piles abd fissures. Disputes, litigations. hasty decesions. Bad for intraday speculations - Will loose. All above are again not to be taken idiotically as The be and end all conclusive effects. All above will be modified, reduced, enhanced, transformed, by the Nature of Signs, placement of house, and also good and bad aspects of other planets on this combination. regards, Bhaskar. , "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama wrote:>> > Hi Kulbir:> > My understanding is that benefic planets in 8th house have their significations harmed > > Consider 8th house and planet in it alone - only if you can isolate individual effects, can you explain overall.> > So from the initial understanding, all benefics must have their significations harmed in the 8th house - Why should Me and Ve in 8th house prosper while Ju doesn't? - sounds counter-intuitive.> > See if Me is in 8th house and Mars is conjunct Me within 1 or 2 degrees, Me will be ruined - you can use combinations to explain anything.> > Point is: in Saravali, KalyanaVarma is isolating effects of each planet alone in a house. Why does he say Ju is harmed while Me and Ve prosper?> > Thanks> Kiran> > Thanks> Kiran> > , Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:> >> > Kiran Ji,> > You must have gone through many horoscopes;> > What are your personal views about Mercury in 8th house. Venus in 8th> > house.> > Is Jupiter in 8th bad even if beneficial planets are posited in 2nd and 4th> > house.> > Regards> > kulbir> > > > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM, kiran.rama kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > >> > >> > > Saravali says:> > > *If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles),> > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, or> > > will become a justice.* ---> Mercury in 8th house is good> > > *If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy> > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment after> > > moment will feel delighted. --> *Venus in 8th house is good> > > *f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be a> > > servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union with> > > dirty women. **--> *Jupiter in 8th house is bad> > >> > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results in> > > 8th house - and opposite for Ju> > > Thanks> > > Kiran> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dear Kiran ji, Namaste, please also consider who is the karka for 8H,, it is shanidev. Mercury and venus are friends of shani and belong to the asura group. Jupiter is at best neutral to shani and belong to the Sura(Devta) grp warmest regards Sheevani , " Sheevani " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Dear Kiran ji, > > Namaste. > > In astrology everything is not as simple as it looks. > > You are only considering me, ve and ju from the angle that they are natural benefic planets, hence they should give similar results. What about the nature of mercury?(quick learner and quick to compromise, easily influenced, communications skills) Similarly consider venus(straightforward, just, fond of luxuries/status) Jupiter- teacher/preacher,spiritual, detached or aloof) > > If you consider the natural kalpurush chart, with mesh lagna, mercury become 3 and 6L in 8H, venus becomes the 2L and 7L in the 8H, and jupiter becomes the 9L and 12L in the 8H. Jupiter as natural 9L, placed in 12th from its natural house will give lost of fortune and dishonour. > > When there are subh planets in 8H, lifespan is not usually curtailed, but the illnesses they represent will be there especially if they have association with lagna or lagnesh, in the appropriate periods. > > The lordships of the houses of the planet in 8H will suffer, but it will be different for each of the 2 houses it owns, depending on its placement from house concerned. > > The karka status of planets in 8H will also diminish. > > The 8H is also 2nd from 7H, so the lifespan of the marriage is also indicated here. Subh planets in 8H, will generally give longivity of marriage, unless the planet is in enemy rashi and malefically aspected or deb/combust. As 2H represents finance and family, 8H being 2nd from 7H, with subh planets, fortunes increase through the partner and family relations with in-laws is cordial. > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > Saravali says: > > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be > > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results > > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > Thanks > > Kiran > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dear Dev ji, Upchay is also given by Parasara. The meaning of upchay is growth, heap and prosprity. Therefore, now we have a contradiction. If you go by 3rd lord in 8th is " BAD " then we would need to understand what the Maharishi meant by " BAD " . Otherwise 3rd lord in 8th means its in 6th from 3rd. 6th is powerful upchay sthan as its upchay from both Phal sthan and Karak sthan. So kindly share what is meant by " Good " and " Bad " . then we can resolve this. Or in other words " Good " and " Bad " for what? is it for full life or is it for some event or is it for ALL 12 house etc etc. Kindly elucidate. Cheers !!! Ash , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Dear Ash ji, > > I have few differences to what you have written. > > 3rd in 8th is not a good combination (Prasara) > 7th in 8th is not a good combination (Prasara) > 12th in 8th is a good combination (Prasara). > > From and how we are assuming 7th in 8th or 3rd in 8th as good combination. And why we are assuming 12th in 8th as bad? > > regds > Dev > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kiran ji, > > > > Take Kalpurush chart. > > > > Me rules 3rd and 6th house. It is placed in 8th house. Therefore as 3rd lord its placed in upchay i.e. 6th from 3rd and as 6th lord its placed in 3rd from 6th. Therefore the results of these 2 house will get enhanced. 6th house is Upchay for 1st house and so in KAS terms LoE is in House A. or in other words, the results of 1st house is enhanced. 8th house is KARAK sthan for 1st and its natural lord is Mars. 3rd house is Mool Karak sthan for 1st house and its lord is in Karak sthan. > > > > Regarding Rich, again 8th house is 10th from 11th house. Now Mercury is in upchay sthan for 11th house. Now 6th house (natural 6th is Virgo) so natural 6th lord is in 3rd from own house so upchay sthan and then again from phal sthan i.e. 11th house its in 10th so again in upchay. 6th house is KARAK sthan for 11th which is success. So the native will be very rich. > > > > The upchay theory is the underlying theory behind this and if you use the same theory for most of the results given in classics so many things will get clear. > > > > Case 2 > > Ve is 8th house. Ve rules 2nd and 7th house. From 7th house its in dhan sthan. From 2nd house its in opposition to it. 8th house is upchay sthan from 11th and in 11th from 10th as well. So upchay to both the house of authority and income. So like that. > > > > Case 3 > > > > Ju rules natural 12th and 9th house. As natual 9th lord its in 8th house i.e. in 12th from 8th which is not conducive to matters of luck. A person might have to face hard ships. Now as 12th lord in 8th house, means its upchay for 3rd house i.e. 10th from 3rd and its placed in 6th house from 3rd therefore the results of 3rd house will get enhanced. Therefore such a person will have to work hard in life. Now it means the opposite house of luck (9th) house is triggering which is hard work. So all the attributes like serving people, associating with lower class people etc are psychology associated with such. > > > > All this is based on kalpurush chart. So many things will change based on lord ship. > > > > If Guru rules 8th and itself is placed in 8th house then it will become sarla yoga so things change. > > > > For Virgo lagna if Ve is in 8th house then ........ > > > > Hope that helps, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > Saravali says: > > > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > > > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > > > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > > > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be > > > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > > > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results > > > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Dear Ash ji, By BAD, he meant opposite to what we were discussing. 3rd in 8th - will earn livelihood serving others, a thief 7th in 8th - wife and marital issues 12th in 8th - shall gain and have good qualities To me, Upachaaya are definitely mentioned by Prasara but here what you were mentioning was referring from 3rd. It can not be same as ASC and would related to 3rd significations. regds Dev , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > Upchay is also given by Parasara. The meaning of upchay is growth, heap and prosprity. > > Therefore, now we have a contradiction. If you go by 3rd lord in 8th is " BAD " then we would need to understand what the Maharishi meant by " BAD " . > > Otherwise 3rd lord in 8th means its in 6th from 3rd. 6th is powerful upchay sthan as its upchay from both Phal sthan and Karak sthan. > > So kindly share what is meant by " Good " and " Bad " . then we can resolve this. > > Or in other words " Good " and " Bad " for what? is it for full life or is it for some event or is it for ALL 12 house etc etc. > > Kindly elucidate. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > I have few differences to what you have written. > > > > 3rd in 8th is not a good combination (Prasara) > > 7th in 8th is not a good combination (Prasara) > > 12th in 8th is a good combination (Prasara). > > > > From and how we are assuming 7th in 8th or 3rd in 8th as good combination. And why we are assuming 12th in 8th as bad? > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji, > > > > > > Take Kalpurush chart. > > > > > > Me rules 3rd and 6th house. It is placed in 8th house. Therefore as 3rd lord its placed in upchay i.e. 6th from 3rd and as 6th lord its placed in 3rd from 6th. Therefore the results of these 2 house will get enhanced. 6th house is Upchay for 1st house and so in KAS terms LoE is in House A. or in other words, the results of 1st house is enhanced. 8th house is KARAK sthan for 1st and its natural lord is Mars. 3rd house is Mool Karak sthan for 1st house and its lord is in Karak sthan. > > > > > > Regarding Rich, again 8th house is 10th from 11th house. Now Mercury is in upchay sthan for 11th house. Now 6th house (natural 6th is Virgo) so natural 6th lord is in 3rd from own house so upchay sthan and then again from phal sthan i.e. 11th house its in 10th so again in upchay. 6th house is KARAK sthan for 11th which is success. So the native will be very rich. > > > > > > The upchay theory is the underlying theory behind this and if you use the same theory for most of the results given in classics so many things will get clear. > > > > > > Case 2 > > > Ve is 8th house. Ve rules 2nd and 7th house. From 7th house its in dhan sthan. From 2nd house its in opposition to it. 8th house is upchay sthan from 11th and in 11th from 10th as well. So upchay to both the house of authority and income. So like that. > > > > > > Case 3 > > > > > > Ju rules natural 12th and 9th house. As natual 9th lord its in 8th house i.e. in 12th from 8th which is not conducive to matters of luck. A person might have to face hard ships. Now as 12th lord in 8th house, means its upchay for 3rd house i.e. 10th from 3rd and its placed in 6th house from 3rd therefore the results of 3rd house will get enhanced. Therefore such a person will have to work hard in life. Now it means the opposite house of luck (9th) house is triggering which is hard work. So all the attributes like serving people, associating with lower class people etc are psychology associated with such. > > > > > > All this is based on kalpurush chart. So many things will change based on lord ship. > > > > > > If Guru rules 8th and itself is placed in 8th house then it will become sarla yoga so things change. > > > > > > For Virgo lagna if Ve is in 8th house then ........ > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Saravali says: > > > > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > > > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > > > > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > > > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > > > > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > > > > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be > > > > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > > > > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results > > > > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > > > Thanks > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Dear Dev ji, 3rd is house of parakram. So when 3rd house grows, what can it mean? About becoming a thief, then for example, if 3rd lord is Sun i.e. Gemini lagna and every year when Sun is in Capricorn, all the Gemini borns for that 1 month will they all become theifs? Of if Say Sag or Sco born person and for 2.5 years Sa will be in Cancer or Gemini, then all those persons will become Thiefs? That is not possible and I do not think our Maharishis would mean that. 7th lord in 8th house and 8th hosue is very important to have children then how is it bad if one wants to procreate? That way 7th lord in 12th house will pave way for 5th house i.e. become Karak for 5th house. So now how is it that 7th lord in 12th will become bad? (here i am adding 12th house angle which is not in our discussion, but to point out that blindly going by 8th as bad and 12th as bad cannot be the norm for whole chart). 3rd lord in 8th house means 3rd house grows in significance. 3rd house is that of parakram and if you notice the attributes that Kalyan Verma has attributed to " General " significance is based on parakram for example Thief means an " Act " or " Parakram " , it can also mean that a person will " Serve others " means again its dealing with " Parakram " and here there is growth. Now how a person will use the parakram will depend on the nature of the person i.e. if he will become a theif or serve the community at large etc etc. Therefore 3rd lord in 8th means its " Growing the significance of 3rd " . 3rd is Mool karak for 1st. Parakram lord goes in the house that controls 11th i.e. success and tries to grow 11th house matters. Now a person can become rich by " stealing " i.e. thief and using his parakram in bad way or antisocial way or he migth grow his wealth serving othesr of a good cause and being a role model citizen. So again, upchay theory is used is my point. Just going by 6th 8th and 12th as BAD for all house cannot be true. I hope you understand my point. 12th lord in 8th is again dealing with Parakram. 10th from 3rd in 6th from 3rd. Besides, if Aries is the lagna then 12th lord in any house will enhance the result of the house its placed in. Therefore the significance of 8th house will become good. In other words, in VA one is using it as vipareet raj yog. ok i am out of time. If you do not agree with my chain of thought, we can agree to disagree. Cheers !!! Ash , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Dear Ash ji, > > By BAD, he meant opposite to what we were discussing. > 3rd in 8th - will earn livelihood serving others, a thief > 7th in 8th - wife and marital issues > 12th in 8th - shall gain and have good qualities > > To me, Upachaaya are definitely mentioned by Prasara but here what you were mentioning was referring from 3rd. It can not be same as ASC and would related to 3rd significations. > > regds > Dev > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > Upchay is also given by Parasara. The meaning of upchay is growth, heap and prosprity. > > > > Therefore, now we have a contradiction. If you go by 3rd lord in 8th is " BAD " then we would need to understand what the Maharishi meant by " BAD " . > > > > Otherwise 3rd lord in 8th means its in 6th from 3rd. 6th is powerful upchay sthan as its upchay from both Phal sthan and Karak sthan. > > > > So kindly share what is meant by " Good " and " Bad " . then we can resolve this. > > > > Or in other words " Good " and " Bad " for what? is it for full life or is it for some event or is it for ALL 12 house etc etc. > > > > Kindly elucidate. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > I have few differences to what you have written. > > > > > > 3rd in 8th is not a good combination (Prasara) > > > 7th in 8th is not a good combination (Prasara) > > > 12th in 8th is a good combination (Prasara). > > > > > > From and how we are assuming 7th in 8th or 3rd in 8th as good combination. And why we are assuming 12th in 8th as bad? > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji, > > > > > > > > Take Kalpurush chart. > > > > > > > > Me rules 3rd and 6th house. It is placed in 8th house. Therefore as 3rd lord its placed in upchay i.e. 6th from 3rd and as 6th lord its placed in 3rd from 6th. Therefore the results of these 2 house will get enhanced. 6th house is Upchay for 1st house and so in KAS terms LoE is in House A. or in other words, the results of 1st house is enhanced. 8th house is KARAK sthan for 1st and its natural lord is Mars. 3rd house is Mool Karak sthan for 1st house and its lord is in Karak sthan. > > > > > > > > Regarding Rich, again 8th house is 10th from 11th house. Now Mercury is in upchay sthan for 11th house. Now 6th house (natural 6th is Virgo) so natural 6th lord is in 3rd from own house so upchay sthan and then again from phal sthan i.e. 11th house its in 10th so again in upchay. 6th house is KARAK sthan for 11th which is success. So the native will be very rich. > > > > > > > > The upchay theory is the underlying theory behind this and if you use the same theory for most of the results given in classics so many things will get clear. > > > > > > > > Case 2 > > > > Ve is 8th house. Ve rules 2nd and 7th house. From 7th house its in dhan sthan. From 2nd house its in opposition to it. 8th house is upchay sthan from 11th and in 11th from 10th as well. So upchay to both the house of authority and income. So like that. > > > > > > > > Case 3 > > > > > > > > Ju rules natural 12th and 9th house. As natual 9th lord its in 8th house i.e. in 12th from 8th which is not conducive to matters of luck. A person might have to face hard ships. Now as 12th lord in 8th house, means its upchay for 3rd house i.e. 10th from 3rd and its placed in 6th house from 3rd therefore the results of 3rd house will get enhanced. Therefore such a person will have to work hard in life. Now it means the opposite house of luck (9th) house is triggering which is hard work. So all the attributes like serving people, associating with lower class people etc are psychology associated with such. > > > > > > > > All this is based on kalpurush chart. So many things will change based on lord ship. > > > > > > > > If Guru rules 8th and itself is placed in 8th house then it will become sarla yoga so things change. > > > > > > > > For Virgo lagna if Ve is in 8th house then ........ > > > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Saravali says: > > > > > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > > > > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > > > > > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > > > > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > > > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > > > > > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > > > > > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be > > > > > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > > > > > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > > > > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results > > > > > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Dear Ashji, I would like to put it simple. I just produced what classic says and personally, I rate Prasara higher than any other classic. (It is purely my personal view and choice). Your concern on Sun/ Saturn etc. are welcome but same shall apply to any dictum. All the dictums in any classic would not work always since there shall be many other factors that need to be seen. So they work, if supported by many other conditions. Regarding your 3rd strength, If Prakram is strong, it would certainly help but is not a sole factor to make one rich or something great. As per my experience so far, stick to your ideology and add on to it any new learning but with pinch of salt especially when dealing with the generic dictums. Again, we are free to disagree and it is good sometimes. regds Dev , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > 3rd is house of parakram. So when 3rd house grows, what can it mean? > > About becoming a thief, then for example, if 3rd lord is Sun i.e. Gemini lagna and every year when Sun is in Capricorn, all the Gemini borns for that 1 month will they all become theifs? > > Of if Say Sag or Sco born person and for 2.5 years Sa will be in Cancer or Gemini, then all those persons will become Thiefs? > > That is not possible and I do not think our Maharishis would mean that. > > 7th lord in 8th house and 8th hosue is very important to have children then how is it bad if one wants to procreate? > > That way 7th lord in 12th house will pave way for 5th house i.e. become Karak for 5th house. So now how is it that 7th lord in 12th will become bad? (here i am adding 12th house angle which is not in our discussion, but to point out that blindly going by 8th as bad and 12th as bad cannot be the norm for whole chart). > > 3rd lord in 8th house means 3rd house grows in significance. 3rd house is that of parakram and if you notice the attributes that Kalyan Verma has attributed to " General " significance is based on parakram for example Thief means an " Act " or " Parakram " , it can also mean that a person will " Serve others " means again its dealing with " Parakram " and here there is growth. Now how a person will use the parakram will depend on the nature of the person i.e. if he will become a theif or serve the community at large etc etc. > > Therefore 3rd lord in 8th means its " Growing the significance of 3rd " . 3rd is Mool karak for 1st. > > Parakram lord goes in the house that controls 11th i.e. success and tries to grow 11th house matters. Now a person can become rich by " stealing " i.e. thief and using his parakram in bad way or antisocial way or he migth grow his wealth serving othesr of a good cause and being a role model citizen. > > So again, upchay theory is used is my point. Just going by 6th 8th and 12th as BAD for all house cannot be true. > > I hope you understand my point. > > 12th lord in 8th is again dealing with Parakram. 10th from 3rd in 6th from 3rd. Besides, if Aries is the lagna then 12th lord in any house will enhance the result of the house its placed in. Therefore the significance of 8th house will become good. In other words, in VA one is using it as vipareet raj yog. > > ok i am out of time. > > If you do not agree with my chain of thought, we can agree to disagree. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > By BAD, he meant opposite to what we were discussing. > > 3rd in 8th - will earn livelihood serving others, a thief > > 7th in 8th - wife and marital issues > > 12th in 8th - shall gain and have good qualities > > > > To me, Upachaaya are definitely mentioned by Prasara but here what you were mentioning was referring from 3rd. It can not be same as ASC and would related to 3rd significations. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > Upchay is also given by Parasara. The meaning of upchay is growth, heap and prosprity. > > > > > > Therefore, now we have a contradiction. If you go by 3rd lord in 8th is " BAD " then we would need to understand what the Maharishi meant by " BAD " . > > > > > > Otherwise 3rd lord in 8th means its in 6th from 3rd. 6th is powerful upchay sthan as its upchay from both Phal sthan and Karak sthan. > > > > > > So kindly share what is meant by " Good " and " Bad " . then we can resolve this. > > > > > > Or in other words " Good " and " Bad " for what? is it for full life or is it for some event or is it for ALL 12 house etc etc. > > > > > > Kindly elucidate. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > > > I have few differences to what you have written. > > > > > > > > 3rd in 8th is not a good combination (Prasara) > > > > 7th in 8th is not a good combination (Prasara) > > > > 12th in 8th is a good combination (Prasara). > > > > > > > > From and how we are assuming 7th in 8th or 3rd in 8th as good combination. And why we are assuming 12th in 8th as bad? > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji, > > > > > > > > > > Take Kalpurush chart. > > > > > > > > > > Me rules 3rd and 6th house. It is placed in 8th house. Therefore as 3rd lord its placed in upchay i.e. 6th from 3rd and as 6th lord its placed in 3rd from 6th. Therefore the results of these 2 house will get enhanced. 6th house is Upchay for 1st house and so in KAS terms LoE is in House A. or in other words, the results of 1st house is enhanced. 8th house is KARAK sthan for 1st and its natural lord is Mars. 3rd house is Mool Karak sthan for 1st house and its lord is in Karak sthan. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Rich, again 8th house is 10th from 11th house. Now Mercury is in upchay sthan for 11th house. Now 6th house (natural 6th is Virgo) so natural 6th lord is in 3rd from own house so upchay sthan and then again from phal sthan i.e. 11th house its in 10th so again in upchay. 6th house is KARAK sthan for 11th which is success. So the native will be very rich. > > > > > > > > > > The upchay theory is the underlying theory behind this and if you use the same theory for most of the results given in classics so many things will get clear. > > > > > > > > > > Case 2 > > > > > Ve is 8th house. Ve rules 2nd and 7th house. From 7th house its in dhan sthan. From 2nd house its in opposition to it. 8th house is upchay sthan from 11th and in 11th from 10th as well. So upchay to both the house of authority and income. So like that. > > > > > > > > > > Case 3 > > > > > > > > > > Ju rules natural 12th and 9th house. As natual 9th lord its in 8th house i.e. in 12th from 8th which is not conducive to matters of luck. A person might have to face hard ships. Now as 12th lord in 8th house, means its upchay for 3rd house i.e. 10th from 3rd and its placed in 6th house from 3rd therefore the results of 3rd house will get enhanced. Therefore such a person will have to work hard in life. Now it means the opposite house of luck (9th) house is triggering which is hard work. So all the attributes like serving people, associating with lower class people etc are psychology associated with such. > > > > > > > > > > All this is based on kalpurush chart. So many things will change based on lord ship. > > > > > > > > > > If Guru rules 8th and itself is placed in 8th house then it will become sarla yoga so things change. > > > > > > > > > > For Virgo lagna if Ve is in 8th house then ........ > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Saravali says: > > > > > > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > > > > > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > > > > > > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > > > > > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > > > > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > > > > > > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > > > > > > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be > > > > > > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > > > > > > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > > > > > > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results > > > > > > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Dear Ash JI, Good an Explanatory email..... //Now a person can become rich by "stealing" i.e. thief and using his parakram in bad way or antisocial way or he migth grow his wealth serving othesr of a good cause and being a role model citizen.// You have explains analogy to judge Prakram and how much (depends on AV points)...Please explain deciding criteria (utilisation of prakram) for thief and Rich judge from where? ------------------ Regards, Devisingh ashsam73 wrote: Dear Dev ji, 3rd is house of parakram. So when 3rd house grows, what can it mean? About becoming a thief, then for example, if 3rd lord is Sun i.e. Gemini lagna and every year when Sun is in Capricorn, all the Gemini borns for that 1 month will they all become theifs? Of if Say Sag or Sco born person and for 2.5 years Sa will be in Cancer or Gemini, then all those persons will become Thiefs? That is not possible and I do not think our Maharishis would mean that. 7th lord in 8th house and 8th hosue is very important to have children then how is it bad if one wants to procreate? That way 7th lord in 12th house will pave way for 5th house i.e. become Karak for 5th house. So now how is it that 7th lord in 12th will become bad? (here i am adding 12th house angle which is not in our discussion, but to point out that blindly going by 8th as bad and 12th as bad cannot be the norm for whole chart). 3rd lord in 8th house means 3rd house grows in significance. 3rd house is that of parakram and if you notice the attributes that Kalyan Verma has attributed to "General" significance is based on parakram for example Thief means an "Act" or "Parakram", it can also mean that a person will "Serve others" means again its dealing with "Parakram" and here there is growth. Now how a person will use the parakram will depend on the nature of the person i.e. if he will become a theif or serve the community at large etc etc. Therefore 3rd lord in 8th means its "Growing the significance of 3rd". 3rd is Mool karak for 1st. Parakram lord goes in the house that controls 11th i.e. success and tries to grow 11th house matters. Now a person can become rich by "stealing" i.e. thief and using his parakram in bad way or antisocial way or he migth grow his wealth serving othesr of a good cause and being a role model citizen. So again, upchay theory is used is my point. Just going by 6th 8th and 12th as BAD for all house cannot be true. I hope you understand my point. 12th lord in 8th is again dealing with Parakram. 10th from 3rd in 6th from 3rd. Besides, if Aries is the lagna then 12th lord in any house will enhance the result of the house its placed in. Therefore the significance of 8th house will become good. In other words, in VA one is using it as vipareet raj yog. ok i am out of time. If you do not agree with my chain of thought, we can agree to disagree. Cheers !!! Ash , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote: > > Dear Ash ji, > > By BAD, he meant opposite to what we were discussing. > 3rd in 8th - will earn livelihood serving others, a thief > 7th in 8th - wife and marital issues > 12th in 8th - shall gain and have good qualities > > To me, Upachaaya are definitely mentioned by Prasara but here what you were mentioning was referring from 3rd. It can not be same as ASC and would related to 3rd significations. > > regds > Dev > > , "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > Upchay is also given by Parasara. The meaning of upchay is growth, heap and prosprity. > > > > Therefore, now we have a contradiction. If you go by 3rd lord in 8th is "BAD" then we would need to understand what the Maharishi meant by "BAD". > > > > Otherwise 3rd lord in 8th means its in 6th from 3rd. 6th is powerful upchay sthan as its upchay from both Phal sthan and Karak sthan. > > > > So kindly share what is meant by "Good" and "Bad". then we can resolve this. > > > > Or in other words "Good" and "Bad" for what? is it for full life or is it for some event or is it for ALL 12 house etc etc. > > > > Kindly elucidate. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , "axeplex" <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > I have few differences to what you have written. > > > > > > 3rd in 8th is not a good combination (Prasara) > > > 7th in 8th is not a good combination (Prasara) > > > 12th in 8th is a good combination (Prasara). > > > > > > From and how we are assuming 7th in 8th or 3rd in 8th as good combination. And why we are assuming 12th in 8th as bad? > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji, > > > > > > > > Take Kalpurush chart. > > > > > > > > Me rules 3rd and 6th house. It is placed in 8th house. Therefore as 3rd lord its placed in upchay i.e. 6th from 3rd and as 6th lord its placed in 3rd from 6th. Therefore the results of these 2 house will get enhanced. 6th house is Upchay for 1st house and so in KAS terms LoE is in House A. or in other words, the results of 1st house is enhanced. 8th house is KARAK sthan for 1st and its natural lord is Mars. 3rd house is Mool Karak sthan for 1st house and its lord is in Karak sthan. > > > > > > > > Regarding Rich, again 8th house is 10th from 11th house. Now Mercury is in upchay sthan for 11th house. Now 6th house (natural 6th is Virgo) so natural 6th lord is in 3rd from own house so upchay sthan and then again from phal sthan i.e. 11th house its in 10th so again in upchay. 6th house is KARAK sthan for 11th which is success. So the native will be very rich. > > > > > > > > The upchay theory is the underlying theory behind this and if you use the same theory for most of the results given in classics so many things will get clear. > > > > > > > > Case 2 > > > > Ve is 8th house. Ve rules 2nd and 7th house. From 7th house its in dhan sthan. From 2nd house its in opposition to it. 8th house is upchay sthan from 11th and in 11th from 10th as well. So upchay to both the house of authority and income. So like that. > > > > > > > > Case 3 > > > > > > > > Ju rules natural 12th and 9th house. As natual 9th lord its in 8th house i.e. in 12th from 8th which is not conducive to matters of luck. A person might have to face hard ships. Now as 12th lord in 8th house, means its upchay for 3rd house i.e. 10th from 3rd and its placed in 6th house from 3rd therefore the results of 3rd house will get enhanced. Therefore such a person will have to work hard in life. Now it means the opposite house of luck (9th) house is triggering which is hard work. So all the attributes like serving people, associating with lower class people etc are psychology associated with such. > > > > > > > > All this is based on kalpurush chart. So many things will change based on lord ship. > > > > > > > > If Guru rules 8th and itself is placed in 8th house then it will become sarla yoga so things change. > > > > > > > > For Virgo lagna if Ve is in 8th house then ........ > > > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Saravali says: > > > > > If Mercury occupies the 8th, the native will win famous names (titles), > > > > > be strong, long-lived, will support his family and be equal to a king, > > > > > or will become a justice. ---> Mercury in 8th house is good > > > > > If Venus is in the 8th, the native will be long-lived, will enjoy > > > > > incomparable happiness, be very rich, be equal to a king and moment > > > > > after moment will feel delighted. --> Venus in 8th house is good > > > > > f Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-lived, be > > > > > a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will have union > > > > > with dirty women. --> Jupiter in 8th house is bad > > > > > > > > > > This is perplexing - How can 2 benefic planets Me & Ve give good results > > > > > in 8th house - and opposite for Ju > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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