Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Bhai , Hamaari jindagi mein Mouja hi Mouja hai , Mouji Bhai... But one thing is sure, that if a man does not get peace in this Life, then he cannot expect it in the after Life.. The best part is to remain cheerful in Life...come what way. This is the only panacea to stay away from minor worries... From the major ones like the medical ailments , one cannot have respite from worry as it is connected to physical pains, but the rest problems of Life are not worries but just creating unnecessary tensions and exaggeration of them, which is normally done by most of us...to glorify our great tensions... regards/Bhaskar. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > मदिरालय जाने को घर से चलता है पीनेवला, > 'किस पथ से जाऊà¤?' असमंजस में है वह à¤à¥‹à¤²à¤¾à¤à¤¾à¤²à¤¾, > अलग-अलग पथ बतलाते सब पर मैं यह बतलाता हूठ- > 'राह पकड़ तू à¤à¤• चला चल, पा जाà¤à¤—ा मधà¥à¤¶à¤¾à¤²à¤¾à¥¤'। ६। > > Spirituality. Which path to adopt and which to leave. Which Guru to adopt and whom to reject as a guru. Harivansh Rai Bachhan gave the solution " raah pakar too ek chala chal, pa jayega madhushala " (select one path and then keep tredging it with patience and finally you reach your end, your goal (if that is the goal)... > > धरà¥à¤®à¤—à¥à¤°à¤¨à¥à¤¥ सब जला चà¥à¤•à¥€ है, जिसके अंतर की जà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤²à¤¾, > मंदिर, मसजिद, गिरिजे, सब को तोड़ चà¥à¤•à¤¾ जो मतवाला, > पंडित, मोमिन, पादिरयों के फंदों को जो काट चà¥à¤•à¤¾, > कर सकती है आज उसी का सà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤—त मेरी मधà¥à¤¶à¤¾à¤²à¤¾à¥¤à¥¤à¥§à¥à¥¤ > > One who has read all the scriptures and have understood the essence of that and one who has risen above all the doctrines of life scripted by various faiths and religions, one who has escaped from the clutches of rituals prescribed by all practitioners of faith only can reach that " madhu (honey) shala (land) " > > It all depends on how one perceives the things. One can perceive this madhushala of Bachhan as a modern day " BAR " or one can also perceive this Madhushala as a place where one is bereft of all worries of life and reaches the end becoming a " mouji " . > > Mouj lo..... > > best wishes > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > > Fri, April 9, 2010 11:23:06 AM > Re: Re: spritual practise success/failure > >  > Was wondering after reading all those mails about the fear, the fear of death, the fear of life, the fear of being, the fear of astrology, the fear of bearing cost of funerals, the fear of deciding the number of cars, the fear of deciding the design of coffin, the fear of selecting the kind of flowers to accompany, the fear of paying insurance premiums at time to cover this cost, the fear of what would happen to my body after me..... > > after me..... > > after me..... > > when i am not there then why fear..... > > Liberation from the 9 door cage is welcome... > > That reminds me of a famous song.... " jayen to jayen kahan....samjhega kaun yahan, dard bhare dil ki zuban " .... > > Na jeene main chain na marne....(no peace in life and no peace after death too).... > > just some random thoughts.... > > best wishes, > > Mouji > > > > > ________________________________ > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thu, April 8, 2010 5:04:23 PM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure > >  > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Namaste, > > Agreed! > > " Amar jeev mare so kaaya, " > > ( " The self is immortal while the physical body is perishable. " ) > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > //Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > tapestry > > called life on earth " // > > > > Yes however much anyone may say that " I have got fed up of my Life " > > ... " I want to end my Life " ... " I dont wish to live anymore " ... " Oh God > > lift me up please " ..... in actual reality no one wishes to die, because > > all of us are in fact - enjoying living . > > > > The mind is never lost, before death or after death. The actual mind is > > not knowing names of friends or objects of this Life. The actual mind is > > knowing fear and Love. > > > > The newborn baby who does not recognise his mother or father, but he > > recognises Love, the feed of Milk and Fear- all these aspects. Why ? > > Because he carries his mind alongwith from eternity which has always > > known what is Love, and fear both. A 1 year old may have no mind to know > > what is good or bad, or logistics, but his mind knows fear when you > > shout at him loudly, and he runs away crying to his mothers lap... > > > > The mind thus is never lost- the Universal Mind as well as the > > Individual Mind , but the temporary mind which is created just for a > > singular birth, is definitely lost after the body burns away. Here the > > individual mind means recognising through vibrations the friends and > > foes of the past births.. The temporary mind means the mind which knows > > about this Group, the Owner, which knows Bhaskar, Sreenadhji, Sridevi, > > Vinod Khanna, Amitabh Bachhan etc. which is all related to this Birth. > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to > > lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > > the body ages... > > > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > active participant. > > > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > > > > > You said > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > indicate some probability. > > > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > place. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. > > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably > > thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > > papers ready?. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good > > - > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in > > case of > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > TRANSIT > > > > > > chart). > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH > > CHART > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > > of judge > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > astrologer > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > (kantaka) from > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > Jupiter > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > > birth > > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Zindagi toh bewafa hai, ek din tukhraye gi. Maut mehbooba hai apni, ek din toh ayegi. (life is unfaithful, someday it will desert you, death is the beloved, someday she will claim you) warmest regards Sheevani , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Koi ummeed bar nahi aati, koi surat nazar nahi aati > Maut ka ek din muayyan hai, Neend kyun raat bar nahi aati > > Aage aati thi haal e dil pe hasi, Ab kisi baat par nahi aati > Hai kuch aisi hi baat jo chup hai, Warna kya baat kar nahi aati > > Daag-e-dil gar nazar nahi aata, wo bhi aye charagar nahi aati > Hum wahan hai jahan se humko bhi, Kuch humari khabar nahin aati > > kyon na cheekhon ki yaad karte hain, meri aawaaz gar nahin aati > Marte hai aarzoo mein marne ki, Maut aati hai par nahi aati > > kaaba kis munh se jaaoge Ghalib, sharam tumko magar nahi aati > > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > > > > > > Was wondering after reading all those mails about the fear, the fear of > > death, the fear of life, the fear of being, the fear of astrology, the fear > > of bearing cost of funerals, the fear of deciding the number of cars, the > > fear of deciding the design of coffin, the fear of selecting the kind of > > flowers to accompany, the fear of paying insurance premiums at time to cover > > this cost, the fear of what would happen to my body after me..... > > > > after me..... > > > > after me..... > > > > when i am not there then why fear..... > > > > Liberation from the 9 door cage is welcome... > > > > That reminds me of a famous song.... " jayen to jayen kahan....samjhega kaun > > yahan, dard bhare dil ki zuban " .... > > > > Na jeene main chain na marne....(no peace in life and no peace after death > > too).... > > > > just some random thoughts.... > > > > best wishes, > > > > Mouji > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** Sheevani <sheevani147 > > *To:* > > *Sent:* Thu, April 8, 2010 5:04:23 PM > > *Subject:* Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > Namaste, > > > > Agreed! > > > > " Amar jeev mare so kaaya, " > > > > ( " The self is immortal while the physical body is perishable. " ) > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<%40>, > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > //Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > > tapestry > > > called life on earth " // > > > > > > Yes however much anyone may say that " I have got fed up of my Life " > > > ... " I want to end my Life " ... " I dont wish to live anymore " ... " Oh God > > > lift me up please " ..... in actual reality no one wishes to die, because > > > all of us are in fact - enjoying living . > > > > > > The mind is never lost, before death or after death. The actual mind is > > > not knowing names of friends or objects of this Life. The actual mind is > > > knowing fear and Love. > > > > > > The newborn baby who does not recognise his mother or father, but he > > > recognises Love, the feed of Milk and Fear- all these aspects. Why ? > > > Because he carries his mind alongwith from eternity which has always > > > known what is Love, and fear both. A 1 year old may have no mind to know > > > what is good or bad, or logistics, but his mind knows fear when you > > > shout at him loudly, and he runs away crying to his mothers lap... > > > > > > The mind thus is never lost- the Universal Mind as well as the > > > Individual Mind , but the temporary mind which is created just for a > > > singular birth, is definitely lost after the body burns away. Here the > > > individual mind means recognising through vibrations the friends and > > > foes of the past births.. The temporary mind means the mind which knows > > > about this Group, the Owner, which knows Bhaskar, Sreenadhji, Sridevi, > > > Vinod Khanna, Amitabh Bachhan etc. which is all related to this Birth. > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<%40>, > > " Sheevani " > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to > > > lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > > > the body ages... > > > > > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the > > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > > active participant. > > > > > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<%40>, > > chiranjiv mehta > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > > success/failure > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<%40> > > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > > indicate some probability. > > > > > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very > > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of > > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > > place. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. > > > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably > > > thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > > > papers ready?. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good > > > - > > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in > > > case of > > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > > TRANSIT > > > > > > > chart). > > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH > > > CHART > > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > > > of judge > > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > > astrologer > > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > > (kantaka) from > > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > > > birth > > > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > http://in.. com/ <http://in./> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji, Respected Sheevaniji - I see that you are becoming younger by the day. This return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as opposed to earlier ignorance which one experiences when living this age. You know what you see in the true sense, yet because you know you are not part of it. As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world and the chaos, and then choose the thread which keeps it in order. This is the thread of life energy. I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of age. Maybe mine is regression. When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can discuss with some peers. I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness " from your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is byproduct of return to the innocence. Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are both right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said - and I read - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) - On Fear - feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by understanding the source of fear. Not feeling fear - absolutely - may have to do with ego. A little fear is good - it keeps you in line. I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response to a situation. Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of fear - this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing. Then there is no fear even of death. I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes in this. We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? There is not much harm in taking the plunge. Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: spritual practise success/failure Date: Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM Dear Bhaskar Ji,You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short Regards, -Manoj Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure Dear Manoj ji,We are ordinary people. I agree that "Yogis" come from us Ordinary folksonly. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... .A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth isjust a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actualJourney is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughouteternity.... ..But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted ourduties as a good "Grihastha ashram" Holder...best wishes,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Kulbir Ji,>> I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not beconfused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to FaceDeath, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAMEthat Fear through Bravery.>> Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOMEFEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/sheKNOWS he/she is NOT the Body.>>> -Manoj>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@. ..> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure>>> Dear Manoj ji,> // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in ourconsciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearlessat the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears thedestruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//>> Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just becauseof EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die(voluntary death).> Regards> Kulbir Bains.>>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj > wrote:>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >Dear Sheevani Ji,> >> >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of"this tapestry called life on earth"> >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma bloomsinto another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from acaterpillar. //> >> >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as eventhe slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear ofDeath (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who haverelinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death,since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of theVehichle (Body) through which it operates.> >>> >Regards,> > -Manoj> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>> >ancient_indian_ astrology> >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure> >> >> >Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >> >Namaste.> >> >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //> >> >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should startto lose my marbles just yet!!> >> >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper asthe body ages...> >> >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations andresponsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyondimmediate needs of one own circle.> >> >With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it isexcellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trullyblooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... theworld seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.> >> >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full ofall kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and> > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind ofdivides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyoneseems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes onunperturbed by people or events...> >> >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?> >> >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than theactive participant.> >> >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "thistapestry called life on earth"> >> >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma bloomsinto another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from acaterpillar. .> >> >warmest regards> >Sheevani> >> >ancient_indian_ astrology@> > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> You said> >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body isdiscared, does the mind exist?> >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.> >>>> >> Thanks & Regards> >>> >> Chiranjiv Mehta> >>> >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> >>> >>> >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure> >>> ancient_indian_ astrology> >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> >>> >>> >> Â> >>>> >>> >>> >> Dear All,> >>> >> Namaste,> >>> >> I am sorry if my remmarks about> > death, seem flippant to you.> >>> >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and deathprashna can give the death information more accurately.> >>> >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too thatindicate some probability.> >>>> >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as avery natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a differentlevel of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.> >>> >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body isdiscared, does the mind exist?> >>>> >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a betterplace.> >>> >> warmest regards> >> Sheevani> >>> >> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"<sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> >> >> > Namaste.> >> >> >> > Yes, i> > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I wasjust laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughtsof the other world do arise.> >> >> >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus andmercury, Sun is also vargottama.> >>> >> >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so iwas laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exitpapers ready?.> >> >> >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmicdebts are cleared during my Shani MD..> >>> >> >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his roundsagain in pisces in 12 Years time..> >> >> >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God thatprevails..> >> >> >>> > warmest regards> >> > Sheevani> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > >> >> > > Dear Shivani ji,> >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,good -> >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thusin case of> >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about theTRANSIT> >> > > chart).> >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at theDEATH CHART> >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (doneof judge> >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then theastrologer> >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".> >>> > > Love and regards,> >> > > Sreenadh> >> > >> >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Sheevani"> >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> >> > > >> >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > > >> >> > > > Namaste,> >> > > >> >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th(kantaka) from> >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign andJupiter> >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to bothbirth> >> > > and death]///> >> > > >> >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> >> > > >> >> > > > warmest regards> >> > > > Sheevani> >> > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in..> > com/> >>> >> >> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Dear Chiranjiv ji, Namaste, Thank you for your understanding and kind words I am told that " you are crazy but in a pleasant way " and all I sense is the love and acceptance behind those words. Definately the " child in Me " has more scope now as the burden of responsiblities are lessened. I am grateful to God who has facilitated this change in me. warmest regards Sheevani , chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: > > Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji, > > Respected Sheevaniji - I see that you are becoming younger by the day. This return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as opposed to earlier ignorance which one experiences when living this age. You know what you see in the true sense, yet because you know you are not part of it. > As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world and the chaos, and then choose the thread which keeps it in order. This is the thread of life energy. >  I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of age. Maybe mine is regression. >  When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can discuss with some peers. > I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness " from your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is byproduct of return to the innocence. >  > Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are both right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said - and I read - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) - > On Fear - feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by understanding the source of fear. > Not feeling fear - absolutely - may have to do with ego. A little fear is good - it keeps you in line. > I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response to a situation. > Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of fear - this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing. Then there is no fear even of death. > I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes in this. >  > We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? > There is not much harm in taking the plunge. >  > Thanks & Regards > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > --- On Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj > Re: Re: spritual practise success/failure > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM > > >  > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short > >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure > >  > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > We are ordinary people. I agree that " Yogis " come from us Ordinary folks > only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... . > > A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth is > just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual > Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout > eternity.... .. > > But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our > duties as a good " Grihastha ashram " Holder... > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be > confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to Face > Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAME > that Fear through Bravery. > > > > Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOME > FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/she > KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body. > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ .. > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > success/failure > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. > Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless > at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the > destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.// > > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because > of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die > (voluntary death). > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > " this tapestry called life on earth " > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > caterpillar. // > > > > > >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, > since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the > Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > >> > > >Regards, > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > success/failure > > > > > > > > >Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > >Namaste. > > > > > >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start > to lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > the body ages... > > > > > >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > active participant. > > > > > >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > caterpillar. . > > > > > >warmest regards > > >Sheevani > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > >> You said > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > discared, does the mind exist? > > >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > >>> > > >> Thanks & Regards > > >> > > >> Chiranjiv Mehta > > >> > > >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > success/failure > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology > > >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > >> > > >> > > >> Â > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> Dear All, > > >> > > >> Namaste, > > >> > > >> I am sorry if my remmarks about > > > death, seem flippant to you. > > >> > > >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > >> > > >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > indicate some probability. > > >>> > > >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a > very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different > level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > >> > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > discared, does the mind exist? > > >>> > > >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > place. > > >> > > >> warmest regards > > >> Sheevani > > >> > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > >>> > > > >> > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > >> > > > >> > Namaste. > > >> > > > >> > Yes, i > > > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was > just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts > of the other world do arise. > > >> > > > >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > >>> > > > >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > papers ready?. > > >> > > > >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > >>> > > > >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > >> > > > >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that > prevails.. > > >> > > > >>> > warmest regards > > >> > Sheevani > > >> > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Dear Shivani ji, > > >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, > good - > > >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus > in case of > > >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > TRANSIT > > >> > > chart). > > >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the > DEATH CHART > > >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > of judge > > >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > astrologer > > >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > >>> > > Love and regards, > > >> > > Sreenadh > > >> > > > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Sheevani " > > >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Namaste, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > (kantaka) from > > >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > Jupiter > > >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > birth > > >> > > and death]/// > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > warmest regards > > >> > > > Sheevani > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. http://in.. > > > com/ > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Dear Shevaani ji, What have you been told about me related to my craziness ? If it is good then let me know. I also like to hear good things about me. All does man reuire is a sweet word to keep him going....... best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Sheevani " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > Namaste, > > Thank you for your understanding and kind words > > I am told that " you are crazy but in a pleasant way " and all I sense is the love and acceptance behind those words. > > Definately the " child in Me " has more scope now as the burden of responsiblities are lessened. > > I am grateful to God who has facilitated this change in me. > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > , chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji, > > > > Respected Sheevaniji - I see that you are becoming younger by the day. This return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as opposed to earlier ignorance which one experiences when living this age. You know what you see in the true sense, yet because you know you are not part of it. > > As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world and the chaos, and then choose the thread which keeps it in order. This is the thread of life energy. > >  I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of age. Maybe mine is regression. > >  When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can discuss with some peers. > > I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness " from your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is byproduct of return to the innocence. > >  > > Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are both right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said - and I read - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) - > > On Fear - feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by understanding the source of fear. > > Not feeling fear - absolutely - may have to do with ego. A little fear is good - it keeps you in line. > > I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response to a situation. > > Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of fear - this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing. Then there is no fear even of death. > > I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes in this. > >  > > We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? > > There is not much harm in taking the plunge. > >  > > Thanks & Regards > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ > > Re: Re: spritual practise success/failure > > > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short > > > >  > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > We are ordinary people. I agree that " Yogis " come from us Ordinary folks > > only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... . > > > > A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth is > > just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual > > Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout > > eternity.... .. > > > > But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our > > duties as a good " Grihastha ashram " Holder... > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be > > confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to Face > > Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAME > > that Fear through Bravery. > > > > > > Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOME > > FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/she > > KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body. > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ .. > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our > > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. > > Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless > > at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the > > destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.// > > > > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because > > of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die > > (voluntary death). > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > > >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > > " this tapestry called life on earth " > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. // > > > > > > > >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, > > since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the > > Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > > >> > > > >Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > > >Namaste. > > > > > > > >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > > >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start > > to lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > > >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > > the body ages... > > > > > > > >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > > >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > > >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > > >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > > >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > active participant. > > > > > > > >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > > >warmest regards > > > >Sheevani > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> You said > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > >>> > > > >> Thanks & Regards > > > >> > > > >> Chiranjiv Mehta > > > >> > > > >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Â > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dear All, > > > >> > > > >> Namaste, > > > >> > > > >> I am sorry if my remmarks about > > > > death, seem flippant to you. > > > >> > > > >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > >> > > > >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > indicate some probability. > > > >>> > > > >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a > > very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different > > level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > >> > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > >>> > > > >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > place. > > > >> > > > >> warmest regards > > > >> Sheevani > > > >> > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >> > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > >> > > > > >> > Namaste. > > > >> > > > > >> > Yes, i > > > > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was > > just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts > > of the other world do arise. > > > >> > > > > >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > >>> > > > > >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > > papers ready?. > > > >> > > > > >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > >>> > > > > >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > >> > > > > >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that > > prevails.. > > > >> > > > > >>> > warmest regards > > > >> > Sheevani > > > >> > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, > > good - > > > >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus > > in case of > > > >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > TRANSIT > > > >> > > chart). > > > >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the > > DEATH CHART > > > >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > > of judge > > > >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > astrologer > > > >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > >>> > > Love and regards, > > > >> > > Sreenadh > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Sheevani " > > > >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Namaste, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > (kantaka) from > > > >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > Jupiter > > > >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > > birth > > > >> > > and death]/// > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > warmest regards > > > >> > > > Sheevani > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. http://in.. > > > > com/ > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji, Namaste, Your heart is a treasure trove, yet your words blow hot and cold, You feel others pain yet you are nobody's fool. Just be comfortable with who are, and then you gradually will accept yourself. Compassion comes from within and radiates outwards. warmest regards Sheevani , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Shevaani ji, > > What have you been told about me related to my craziness ? If it is good > then let me know. I also like to hear good things about me. > > All does man reuire is a sweet word to keep him going....... > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > , " Sheevani " > <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > Namaste, > > > > Thank you for your understanding and kind words > > > > I am told that " you are crazy but in a pleasant way " and all I sense > is the love and acceptance behind those words. > > > > Definately the " child in Me " has more scope now as the burden of > responsiblities are lessened. > > > > I am grateful to God who has facilitated this change in me. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > , chiranjiv mehta > vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji, > > > > > > Respected Sheevaniji - I see that you are becoming younger by > the day. This return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as > opposed to earlier ignorance which one experiences when living this > age. You know what you see in the true sense, yet because you know you > are not part of it. > > > As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world > and the chaos, and then choose the thread which keeps it in order. > This is the thread of life energy. > > >  I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of > age. Maybe mine is regression. > > >  When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can > discuss with some peers. > > > I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness > " from your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is > byproduct of return to the innocence. > > >  > > > Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are > both right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said - > and I read - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) - > > > On Fear - feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by > understanding the source of fear. > > > Not feeling fear - absolutely - may have to do with ego. A > little fear is good - it keeps you in line. > > > I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response > to a situation. > > > Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of > fear - this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing. > Then there is no fear even of death. > > > I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes > in this. > > >  > > > We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? > > > There is not much harm in taking the plunge. > > >  > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ > > > Re: Re: spritual practise > success/failure > > > > > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > > > You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. > Perhaps a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen > miserably short > > > > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > success/failure > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > We are ordinary people. I agree that " Yogis " come from us Ordinary > folks > > > only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many > scales...... . > > > > > > A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth > is > > > just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual > > > Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout > > > eternity.... .. > > > > > > But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our > > > duties as a good " Grihastha ashram " Holder... > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > > I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be > > > confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to > Face > > > Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they > OVERCAME > > > that Fear through Bravery. > > > > > > > > Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to > OVERCOME > > > FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue > he/she > > > KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ .. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our > > > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. > > > Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain > Fearless > > > at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears > the > > > destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.// > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just > because > > > of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die > > > (voluntary death). > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > > > > >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > > > " this tapestry called life on earth " > > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma > blooms > > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > > caterpillar. // > > > > > > > > > >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as > even > > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of > Death, > > > since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the > > > Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > > > >> > > > > >Regards, > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk> > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > > > > >Namaste. > > > > > > > > > >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > > > > >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should > start > > > to lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > > > > >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper > as > > > the body ages... > > > > > > > > > >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > > > > >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so > it is > > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... > the > > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great > loss, > > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > > > > >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full > of > > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > > > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind > of > > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are > weddings, > > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > > > > >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world > going? > > > > > > > > > >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > > active participant. > > > > > > > > > >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > " this > > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > > > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma > blooms > > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > > > > >warmest regards > > > > >Sheevani > > > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> You said > > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > >>> > > > > >> Thanks & Regards > > > > >> > > > > >> Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > >> > > > > >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > > success/failure > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Â > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Dear All, > > > > >> > > > > >> Namaste, > > > > >> > > > > >> I am sorry if my remmarks about > > > > > death, seem flippant to you. > > > > >> > > > > >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and > death > > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > >> > > > > >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too > that > > > indicate some probability. > > > > >>> > > > > >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a > > > very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different > > > level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > >> > > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > >>> > > > > >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a > better > > > place. > > > > >> > > > > >> warmest regards > > > > >> Sheevani > > > > >> > > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Namaste. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Yes, i > > > > > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I > was > > > just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably > thoughts > > > of the other world do arise. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, > so i > > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my > exit > > > papers ready?. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all > karmic > > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his > rounds > > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that > > > prevails.. > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > warmest regards > > > > >> > Sheevani > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, > > > good - > > > > >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, > such a > > > > >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH > (Thus > > > in case of > > > > >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about > the > > > TRANSIT > > > > >> > > chart). > > > > >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the > > > DEATH CHART > > > > >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART > (done > > > of judge > > > > >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then > the > > > astrologer > > > > >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha > Gati " . > > > > >>> > > Love and regards, > > > > >> > > Sreenadh > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Sheevani " > > > > >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Namaste, > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > > (kantaka) from > > > > >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > > Jupiter > > > > >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to > both > > > birth > > > > >> > > and death]/// > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H > too. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > warmest regards > > > > >> > > > Sheevani > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage. http://in.. > > > > > com/ > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > http://in./ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Manoj Sir ji,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txLY4NM_47oRegardsKDB On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:  मदिरालय जाने को घर से चलता है पीनेवला,'किस पथ से जाऊà¤?' असमंजस में है वह à¤à¥‹à¤²à¤¾à¤à¤¾à¤²à¤¾,अलग-अलग पथ बतलाते सब पर मैं यह बतलाता हूठ- 'राह पकड़ तू à¤à¤• चला चल, पा जाà¤à¤—ा मधà¥à¤¶à¤¾à¤²à¤¾à¥¤'। ६।  Spirituality. Which path to adopt and which to leave. Which Guru to adopt and whom to reject as a guru. Harivansh Rai Bachhan gave the solution " raah pakar too ek chala chal, pa jayega madhushala " (select one path and then keep tredging it with patience and finally you reach your end, your goal (if that is the goal)...  धरà¥à¤®à¤—à¥à¤°à¤¨à¥à¤¥ सब जला चà¥à¤•à¥€ है, जिसके अंतर की जà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤²à¤¾,मंदिर, मसजिद, गिरिजे, सब को तोड़ चà¥à¤•à¤¾ जो मतवाला,पंडित, मोमिन, पादिरयों के फंदों को जो काट चà¥à¤•à¤¾,कर सकती है आज उसी का सà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤—त मेरी मधà¥à¤¶à¤¾à¤²à¤¾à¥¤à¥¤à¥§à¥à¥¤ One who has read all the scriptures and have understood the essence of that and one who has risen above all the doctrines of life scripted by various faiths and religions, one who has escaped from the clutches of rituals prescribed by all practitioners of faith only can reach that " madhu (honey) shala (land) "  It all depends on how one perceives the things. One can perceive this madhushala of Bachhan as a modern day " BAR " or one can also perceive this Madhushala as a place where one is bereft of all worries of life and reaches the end becoming a " mouji " .  Mouj lo.....  best wishes  Manoj Manoj Kumar <mouji99 Fri, April 9, 2010 11:23:06 AMRe: Re: spritual practise success/failure  Was wondering after reading all those mails about the fear, the fear of death, the fear of life, the fear of being, the fear of astrology, the fear of bearing cost of funerals, the fear of deciding the number of cars, the fear of deciding the design of coffin, the fear of selecting the kind of flowers to accompany, the fear of paying insurance premiums at time to cover this cost, the fear of what would happen to my body after me.....  after me.....  after me.....  when i am not there then why fear.....  Liberation from the 9 door cage is welcome...  That reminds me of a famous song.... " jayen to jayen kahan....samjhega kaun yahan, dard bhare dil ki zuban " ....  Na jeene main chain na marne....(no peace in life and no peace after death too)....  just some random thoughts....  best wishes,  Mouji Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>ancient_indian_ astrology Thu, April 8, 2010 5:04:23 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure Dear Bhaskar ji,Namaste,Agreed! " Amar jeev mare so kaaya, " ( " The self is immortal while the physical body is perishable. " )warmest regardsSheevani ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > //Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this> tapestry> called life on earth " //> > Yes however much anyone may say that " I have got fed up of my Life " > ... " I want to end my Life " ... " I dont wish to live anymore " ... " Oh God> lift me up please " ..... in actual reality no one wishes to die, because> all of us are in fact - enjoying living . > > The mind is never lost, before death or after death. The actual mind is> not knowing names of friends or objects of this Life. The actual mind is> knowing fear and Love.> > The newborn baby who does not recognise his mother or father, but he> recognises Love, the feed of Milk and Fear- all these aspects. Why ? > Because he carries his mind alongwith from eternity which has always> known what is Love, and fear both. A 1 year old may have no mind to know> what is good or bad, or logistics, but his mind knows fear when you > shout at him loudly, and he runs away crying to his mothers lap...> > The mind thus is never lost- the Universal Mind as well as the> Individual Mind , but the temporary mind which is created just for a > singular birth, is definitely lost after the body burns away. Here the> individual mind means recognising through vibrations the friends and> foes of the past births.. The temporary mind means the mind which knows> about this Group, the Owner, which knows Bhaskar, Sreenadhji, Sridevi,> Vinod Khanna, Amitabh Bachhan etc. which is all related to this Birth.> > rgrds/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > >> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >> > Namaste.> >> > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //> >> > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to > lose my marbles just yet!!> >> > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as> the body ages...> >> > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and> responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond> immediate needs of one own circle.> >> > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.> >> > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on> unperturbed by people or events...> >> > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?> >> > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > active participant.> >> > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this> tapestry called life on earth " > >> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a> caterpillar. .> >> > warmest regards> > Sheevani> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > >> > > You said> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is> discared, does the mind exist?> > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > >> > > Thanks & Regards> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > Sheevani sheevani147@> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise> success/failure> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > >> > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death> prashna can give the death information more accurately.> > >> > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > indicate some probability.> > >> > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very> natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of> conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > >> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is> discared, does the mind exist?> > >> > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better> place.> > >> > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > Namaste.> > > >> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably> thoughts of the other world do arise.> > > >> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > mercury, Sun is also vargottama.> > > >> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit> papers ready?.> > > >> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..> > > >> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > again in pisces in 12 Years time..> > > >> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..> > > >> > > > warmest regards> > > > Sheevani > > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good> -> > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in> case of> > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the> TRANSIT> > > > > chart). > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH> CHART> > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done> of judge> > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > astrologer> > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > >> > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > (kantaka) from> > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and> Jupiter> > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both> birth > > > > > and death]///> > > > > >> > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> > > > > >> > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > Sheevani> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> http://in.. com/> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Dear Chiranjiv ji, I have absolutely no objection if you want to address me as Guru but Kindly(I INSIST) add Ghantaal to it. So next time, let it be Guru Ghantaal.//We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? There is not much harm in taking the plunge.// " He who hesitates is lost " BUT " Look before you leap. " I think By now Sheevani ji must have realized that DE He SHIVA.. by Guru Gobind Singh Ji has not been included in the present day compilation of Gurru Granth Sahib. RegardsKDB.On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:08 PM, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji, Respected Sheevaniji - I see that you are becoming younger by the day. This return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as opposed to earlier ignorance which one experiences when living this age. You know what you see in the true sense, yet because you know you are not part of it. As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world and the chaos, and then choose the thread which keeps it in order. This is the thread of life energy. I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of age. Maybe mine is regression. When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can discuss with some peers. I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness " from your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is byproduct of return to the innocence. Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are both right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said - and I read - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) - On Fear - feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by understanding the source of fear. Not feeling fear - absolutely - may have to do with ego. A little fear is good - it keeps you in line. I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response to a situation. Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of fear - this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing. Then there is no fear even of death. I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes in this. We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? There is not much harm in taking the plunge. Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: spritual practise success/failure Date: Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM Dear Bhaskar Ji,You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short Regards, -Manoj Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>ancient_indian_ astrology Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure Dear Manoj ji,We are ordinary people. I agree that " Yogis " come from us Ordinary folksonly. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... .A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth is just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actualJourney is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughouteternity.... ..But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our duties as a good " Grihastha ashram " Holder...best wishes,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Kulbir Ji,>> I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not beconfused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to FaceDeath, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAMEthat Fear through Bravery.> > Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOMEFEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/sheKNOWS he/she is NOT the Body.>>> -Manoj> >>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@. ..> ancient_indian_ astrology > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure>>> Dear Manoj ji,> // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in ourconsciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears thedestruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//>> Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die(voluntary death).> Regards> Kulbir Bains.>>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >Dear Sheevani Ji,> >> >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma bloomsinto another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from acaterpillar. //> >> >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear ofDeath (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who haverelinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death,since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.> >>> >Regards,> > -Manoj> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>> >ancient_indian_ astrology > >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure> >> > > >Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >> >Namaste.> >> >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //> >> >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to lose my marbles just yet!!> >> >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper asthe body ages...> >> >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyondimmediate needs of one own circle.> >> >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it isexcellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trullyblooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.> >> >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and> > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind ofdivides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyoneseems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes onunperturbed by people or events...> >> >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > >> >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than theactive participant.> >> >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " thistapestry called life on earth " > >> >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma bloomsinto another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from acaterpillar. .> >> >warmest regards > >Sheevani> >> >ancient_indian_ astrology@> > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> You said > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body isdiscared, does the mind exist?> >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.> >>>> >> Thanks & Regards > >>> >> Chiranjiv Mehta> >>> >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> >>> >>> >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure> >>> ancient_indian_ astrology> >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> >>> >>> >> Â > >>>> >>> >>> >> Dear All,> >>> >> Namaste,> >>> >> I am sorry if my remmarks about > > death, seem flippant to you.> >>> >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and deathprashna can give the death information more accurately.> >> > >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too thatindicate some probability.> >>>> >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as avery natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a differentlevel of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > >>> >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body isdiscared, does the mind exist?> >>>> >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place.> >>> >> warmest regards> >> Sheevani> >>> >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > >>> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> >> >> > Namaste.> >> >> >> > Yes, i> > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughtsof the other world do arise.> >> >> >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus andmercury, Sun is also vargottama. > >>> >> >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so iwas laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exitpapers ready?.> >> > > >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmicdebts are cleared during my Shani MD..> >>> >> >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time..> >> >> >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God thatprevails..> >> >> >>> > warmest regards> >> > Sheevani > >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > >> >> > > Dear Shivani ji, > >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,good -> >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of> >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about theTRANSIT> >> > > chart).> >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART> >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (doneof judge> >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then theastrologer > >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .> >>> > > Love and regards,> >> > > Sreenadh> >> > >> >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Sheevani " > >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> >> > > >> >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > > >> >> > > > Namaste, > >> > > >> >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th(kantaka) from> >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter> >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to bothbirth> >> > > and death]///> >> > > >> >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> >> > > >> >> > > > warmest regards> >> > > > Sheevani> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. > > com/> >>> >> >> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Dear Kulbir ji, I like this very much and am always ready to learn from anyone. I have already mentioned on my Group Home Page (Jyotish_Ganga) DO NOT ADDRESS ME AS A " GURU " .I AM NOT ONE. JUST A NORMAL PERSON LIKE YOU BUT IN FIELD OF ASTROLOGY But now after having read this mail of yours I have got some inspirations. Next tim if someone insists on calling me Guru or Guruji, I will also insist that You call me " Guru Chandaal " . This will keep them away from such forms of address for which at least I do not qualify from any angle... Thanks for the educations imparted indirectly.. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > I have absolutely no objection if you want to address me as Guru but > Kindly(I INSIST) add Ghantaal to it. So next time, let it be Guru Ghantaal. > > //We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? > There is not much harm in taking the plunge.// > > " He who hesitates is lost " BUT " Look before you leap. " > > I think By now Sheevani ji must have realized that DE He SHIVA.. by Guru > Gobind Singh Ji has not been included in the present day compilation of > Gurru Granth Sahib. > > Regards > KDB. > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:08 PM, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjivwrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji, > > Respected Sheevaniji - I see that you are becoming younger by the day. This > > return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as opposed to > > earlier ignorance which one experiences when living this age. You know what > > you see in the true sense, yet because you know you are not part of it. > > As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world and > > the chaos, and then choose the thread which keeps it in order. This is the > > thread of life energy. > > I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of age. Maybe > > mine is regression. > > When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can discuss with > > some peers. > > I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness " from > > your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is byproduct of > > return to the innocence. > > > > Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are both > > right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said - and I read > > - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) - > > On Fear - feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by understanding the > > source of fear. > > Not feeling fear - absolutely - may have to do with ego. A little fear is > > good - it keeps you in line. > > I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response to a > > situation. > > Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of fear - > > this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing. Then there > > is no fear even of death. > > I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes in this. > > > > We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? > > There is not much harm in taking the plunge. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj* wrote: > > > > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj > > Re: Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps > > a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short > > > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > *Sent:* Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > We are ordinary people. I agree that " Yogis " come from us Ordinary folks > > only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... . > > > > A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth is > > just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual > > Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout > > eternity.... .. > > > > But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our > > duties as a good " Grihastha ashram " Holder... > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=ancient_indian_astrolog\ y%40>, > > Manoj Chandran > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be > > confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to Face > > Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAME > > that Fear through Bravery. > > > > > > Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOME > > FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/she > > KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body. > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ .. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=ancient_indian_astrolog\ y%40> > > > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our > > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. > > Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless > > at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the > > destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.// > > > > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because > > of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die > > (voluntary death). > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > > >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > > > > " this tapestry called life on earth " > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. // > > > > > > > >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, > > since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the > > Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > > >> > > > >Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > > >Namaste. > > > > > > > >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > > >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start > > to lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > > >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > > the body ages... > > > > > > > >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > > >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > > >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > > >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > > >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > active participant. > > > > > > > >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > > >warmest regards > > > >Sheevani > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> You said > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > >>> > > > >> Thanks & Regards > > > >> > > > >> Chiranjiv Mehta > > > >> > > > >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Â > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dear All, > > > >> > > > >> Namaste, > > > >> > > > >> I am sorry if my remmarks about > > > > death, seem flippant to you. > > > >> > > > >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > >> > > > >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > indicate some probability. > > > >>> > > > >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a > > very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different > > level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > >> > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > >>> > > > >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > place. > > > >> > > > >> warmest regards > > > >> Sheevani > > > >> > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >> > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > >> > > > > >> > Namaste. > > > >> > > > > >> > Yes, i > > > > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was > > just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts > > of the other world do arise. > > > >> > > > > >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > >>> > > > > >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > > papers ready?. > > > >> > > > > >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > >>> > > > > >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > >> > > > > >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that > > prevails.. > > > >> > > > > >>> > warmest regards > > > >> > Sheevani > > > >> > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, > > good - > > > >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus > > in case of > > > >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > TRANSIT > > > >> > > chart). > > > >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the > > DEATH CHART > > > >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > > of judge > > > >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > astrologer > > > >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > >>> > > Love and regards, > > > >> > > Sreenadh > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Sheevani " > > > >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Namaste, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > (kantaka) from > > > >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > Jupiter > > > >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > > birth > > > >> > > and death]/// > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > warmest regards > > > >> > > > Sheevani > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. http://in.. > > > > com/ > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!<http://in.rd./tagline_ie8_new/*http://downloads./\ in/internetexplorer/> > > . > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji and Kulbir ji, //> But now after having read this mail of yours I have got some> inspirations. Next tim if someone insists on calling me Guru or Guruji,> I will also insist that You call me "Guru Chandaal".> > This will keep them away from such forms of address.......// I second Bhaskar ji. Yes, Kulbir ji has presented that idea in such powerful and inspirational way! Love and hugs,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Kulbir ji,> > I like this very much and am always ready to learn from anyone.> > I have already mentioned on my Group Home Page (Jyotish_Ganga)> > DO NOT ADDRESS ME AS A "GURU".I AM NOT ONE. JUST A NORMAL PERSON LIKE> YOU BUT IN FIELD OF ASTROLOGY> > But now after having read this mail of yours I have got some> inspirations. Next tim if someone insists on calling me Guru or Guruji,> I will also insist that You call me "Guru Chandaal".> > This will keep them away from such forms of address for which at least I> do not qualify from any angle...> > Thanks for the educations imparted indirectly..> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > , Kulbir Bains> lalkitabkb@ wrote:> >> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > I have absolutely no objection if you want to address me as Guru but> > Kindly(I INSIST) add Ghantaal to it. So next time, let it be Guru> Ghantaal.> >> > //We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!??> > There is not much harm in taking the plunge.//> >> > "He who hesitates is lost" BUT "Look before you leap."> >> > I think By now Sheevani ji must have realized that DE He SHIVA.. by> Guru> > Gobind Singh Ji has not been included in the present day compilation> of> > Gurru Granth Sahib.> >> > Regards> > KDB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Dear Shankar ji,Many thanks for sharing your wise thoughts. I guess the confusion is also in the understanding of the *means* and the *end*.RegardsNeelam On 8 April 2010 20:26, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote: The crux I think is about the sense of fulfillment and completeness. Fulfillment of Responsibility or richness of experience or having seen the pleasures or having contributed to the family or society, each of these is an aspect. Having tread on the path to achieving a goal bigger than the body, is what brings that completeness. And lack of that completeness is what makes man crave to live longer. Here is a piece on completeness, excerpted from one of my old articles: For this we need to see what man seeks in life. He seeks happiness. Then the question is what brings happiness. It is completeness that brings happiness. There is a vast landscape of incompleteness in man. The more successful he is in fulfilling it and achieving completeness, the happier he is. There are different ways to achieve completeness. Most wise people say that having a goal and working for it throughout one’s life is the way to achieve this completeness. It is aimlessness that causes incompleteness to grow and it is goal that fills in that incompleteness. Having said this, it is really rare to find in a society someone who has such goal and spends his life for it. Most people have aims, ambitions, passions, fancies, principles, dreams, visions, but a goal of the kind that offers such a fulfillment is rare to find in men. There are many constructs man creates to offer completeness – the biggest of them is God. A definition for God/Divinity is “the belief that offers completeness to man”. This is not a qualitative definition for God but a teleological definition. At higher levels it is not a belief but a living presence with which he needs no other circle or society to offer him anything except his basic physical needs (sometimes not even that). The more a man gets absorbed into it, the more complete he gets and the less is the need for him to seek, create or move within circles. This way, aloofness is brought about by a kind of completeness in man. But there is dichotomy in aloofness – one who has not begun the journey for completeness and still has to feel the need for circles and create them and the one who has journeyed through it and finally grew above it by achieving completeness from within. Thus during his journey he creates and sustains many levels of collectivities – this phase is called pravritti. In pravritti marga man synthesizes and sustains the society. Then he locates the space within him where he can attain completeness – then he starts nivritti. That is, he withdraws into himself. There are many other ways man can achieve completeness – art forms, research, social activity – in short any kind of synthesis. Synthesis brings completeness. In traditional language one transcends annamaya, pranamaya and manomaya kosas with synthetic activity and lives in vijnanamaya kosa. He then moves further in, to anandamaya kosa and within that to achieve total completeness. But in this stage of transcendence he does things that do not relate to the subject of his synthetic activity. For instance, a scientist stops speaking about laws of science and starts dwelling in philosophy. An artist no more thinks of skill but only expresses his deepest experiences. A social activist no more represents his community or cause or principle but becomes instrument in the universal cause. In this stage he does continue to synthesize but it is entirely different both in content and quality from what he does earlier. This is the highest form of synthesis and offers the highest fulfillment for man’s life. The dependence a man has with collectivity begins as he steps into pravritti, grows with it, and starts coming down when he starts nivritti. As he completes nivritti he has nothing to do with any kind of collectivity – family, community, society or nation. Shankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Dear Kulbir Ji, Namaste. ///I think By now Sheevani ji must have realized that DE He SHIVA.. by Guru Gobind Singh Ji has not been included in the present day compilation of Gurru Granth Sahib./// Thank you for your care and concern. It is much appreciated. I do know that " Deh Shiva var mohe " is not found in the Guru Granth Sahib ji, but it forms part of another one of the Sikh holy books generally refered to as the 10th Granth, which contains the teachings of the 10th Guru Gobind SinghJi.. This shabad is also regarded as the sikh national anthem. What I am curious to know is that there apprently is a manucripted book handwritten by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and it is rumoured that no human can read it, as attempting to read it, risks loss of eye-sight. I do not know for sure if that is true, kindly enlighten me if you do know about it.. warmest regards Sheevani , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > I have absolutely no objection if you want to address me as Guru but > Kindly(I INSIST) add Ghantaal to it. So next time, let it be Guru Ghantaal. > > //We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? > There is not much harm in taking the plunge.// > > " He who hesitates is lost " BUT " Look before you leap. " > > I think By now Sheevani ji must have realized that DE He SHIVA.. by Guru > Gobind Singh Ji has not been included in the present day compilation of > Gurru Granth Sahib. > > Regards > KDB. > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:08 PM, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjivwrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji, > > Respected Sheevaniji - I see that you are becoming younger by the day. This > > return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as opposed to > > earlier ignorance which one experiences when living this age. You know what > > you see in the true sense, yet because you know you are not part of it. > > As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world and > > the chaos, and then choose the thread which keeps it in order. This is the > > thread of life energy. > > I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of age. Maybe > > mine is regression. > > When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can discuss with > > some peers. > > I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness " from > > your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is byproduct of > > return to the innocence. > > > > Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are both > > right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said - and I read > > - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) - > > On Fear - feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by understanding the > > source of fear. > > Not feeling fear - absolutely - may have to do with ego. A little fear is > > good - it keeps you in line. > > I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response to a > > situation. > > Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of fear - > > this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing. Then there > > is no fear even of death. > > I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes in this. > > > > We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? > > There is not much harm in taking the plunge. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj* wrote: > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj > > Re: Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps > > a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short > > > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > *Sent:* Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > We are ordinary people. I agree that " Yogis " come from us Ordinary folks > > only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... . > > > > A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth is > > just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual > > Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout > > eternity.... .. > > > > But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our > > duties as a good " Grihastha ashram " Holder... > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > Manoj Chandran > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be > > confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to Face > > Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAME > > that Fear through Bravery. > > > > > > Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOME > > FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/she > > KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body. > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ .. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our > > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. > > Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless > > at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the > > destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.// > > > > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because > > of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die > > (voluntary death). > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > > >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > > > > " this tapestry called life on earth " > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. // > > > > > > > >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, > > since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the > > Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > > >> > > > >Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > > >Namaste. > > > > > > > >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > > >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start > > to lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > > >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > > the body ages... > > > > > > > >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > > >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > > >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > > >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > > >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > active participant. > > > > > > > >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > > >warmest regards > > > >Sheevani > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> You said > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > >>> > > > >> Thanks & Regards > > > >> > > > >> Chiranjiv Mehta > > > >> > > > >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Â > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dear All, > > > >> > > > >> Namaste, > > > >> > > > >> I am sorry if my remmarks about > > > > death, seem flippant to you. > > > >> > > > >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > >> > > > >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > indicate some probability. > > > >>> > > > >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a > > very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different > > level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > >> > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > >>> > > > >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > place. > > > >> > > > >> warmest regards > > > >> Sheevani > > > >> > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >> > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > >> > > > > >> > Namaste. > > > >> > > > > >> > Yes, i > > > > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was > > just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts > > of the other world do arise. > > > >> > > > > >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > >>> > > > > >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > > papers ready?. > > > >> > > > > >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > >>> > > > > >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > >> > > > > >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that > > prevails.. > > > >> > > > > >>> > warmest regards > > > >> > Sheevani > > > >> > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, > > good - > > > >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus > > in case of > > > >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > TRANSIT > > > >> > > chart). > > > >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the > > DEATH CHART > > > >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > > of judge > > > >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > astrologer > > > >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > >>> > > Love and regards, > > > >> > > Sreenadh > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Sheevani " > > > >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Namaste, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > (kantaka) from > > > >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > Jupiter > > > >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > > birth > > > >> > > and death]/// > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > warmest regards > > > >> > > > Sheevani > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. http://in.. > > > > com/ > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!<http://in.rd./tagline_ie8_new/*http://downloads./in/inter\ netexplorer/> > > . > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 My dear Bhaskar ji,What you have said in the last para of your mail is exactly what I have done now. Of course I have done it after long sermons of "dumping people who sap our energies" by a couple of my dear friends over a period of a couple of years. Now this is important. I used to help others on their terms. At their convenience, even at the cost of my time, and my compromise. I do not know if I am able to put forward my views properly or not. Eg. If Bhaskar ji wanted some help from me, I would help him according to HIS convenience, in the way He wanted not at my convenience and within my capacities. Even tho the other person was the receiver, he did the receiving on HIS terms. I had no say in what service I was doing. I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful. Then there is the law of karma. People who take advantage of others pay for it some time in life or the other. Regards,Anita--- On Fri, 9/4/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: spritual practise success/failure Date: Friday, 9 April, 2010, 5:02 AM Dear Anita ji, I am with you on this... I actually meant that one should do his duties to the best of his potential possible otherwise he could not think of dying peacefully. One cannot make anybody happy in this world. A man cannot make even himself happy so no question of family members. The appraisal has to be self as I think Chakraborty ji mentioned. What you wrote is perfect human behaviour. The more one does, the more is expected, and the more one is criticised, and the more they will sit on your head and try to control you. But we have to draw a line who is exploiting us and who needs our services. And apart keeping aside how they behave towards us, we have to continue doing our duties to the best of our extents possible.. regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Tell me, can you tell me if there has been any one who has been able to perform his duties to the satisfaction of his family members at all? I am speaking from personal experience. I find, the more you do , the more is expected from you and the more you are criticised.. I do not know if you agree with me or not but this has been my personal experience. > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Thu, 8/4/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 1:30 PM >  > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just > > little) > > > > Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his duties to > > the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled as > > to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him, > > yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he would > > look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something for > > his family members and make them content and become content himself in > > the process.... > > > > I can give more such examples. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > > "this tapestry called life on earth" > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. // > > > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of > > Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of > > the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ ... > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > >  > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to > > lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > > the body ages... > > > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it is > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... the > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > active participant. > > > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this > > tapestry called life on earth" > > > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > You said > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > indicate some probability. > > > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > place. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani" > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. > > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably > > thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > > papers ready?. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good > > - > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in > > case of > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > TRANSIT > > > > > > chart). > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH > > CHART > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > > of judge > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > astrologer > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati". > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani" > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > (kantaka) from > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > Jupiter > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > > birth > > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Dear Anita-ji, What you did (and I also did in past) ..... people would call us "Suckers". //I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful// I think what you are doing now is right & ethical. Earlier, you had forgottenabout your duties towards your OWNSELF. That was wrong. Please note that a Tree can only give fruit when it is taking care of itself.If it allows itself to be taken over by Parasites, then it is doing wrong 'karma' regards Chakraborty On Behalf Of Anita RSaturday, April 10, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: Re: spritual practise success/failure My dear Bhaskar ji,What you have said in the last para of your mail is exactly what I have done now. Of course I have done it after long sermons of "dumping people who sap our energies" by a couple of my dear friends over a period of a couple of years. Now this is important. I used to help others on their terms. At their convenience, even at the cost of my time, and my compromise. I do not know if I am able to put forward my views properly or not. Eg. If Bhaskar ji wanted some help from me, I would help him according to HIS convenience, in the way He wanted not at my convenience and within my capacities. Even tho the other person was the receiver, he did the receiving on HIS terms. I had no say in what service I was doing. I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful. Then there is the law of karma. People who take advantage of others pay for it some time in life or the other. Regards,Anita--- On Fri, 9/4/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: spritual practise success/failure Date: Friday, 9 April, 2010, 5:02 AM Dear Anita ji,I am with you on this... I actually meant that one should do his dutiesto the best of his potential possible otherwise he could not think ofdying peacefully. One cannot make anybody happy in this world. A mancannot make even himself happy so no question of family members.The appraisal has to be self as I think Chakraborty ji mentioned.What you wrote is perfect human behaviour. The more one does, the moreis expected, and the more one is criticised, and the more they will siton your head and try to control you. But we have to draw a line who isexploiting us and who needs our services. And apart keeping aside howthey behave towards us, we have to continue doing our duties to the bestof our extents possible..regards,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..>wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> Tell me, can you tell me if there has been any one who has been ableto perform his duties to the satisfaction of his family members at all?I am speaking from personal experience. I find, the more you do , themore is expected from you and the more you are criticised.. I do notknow if you agree with me or not but this has been my personalexperience.> Regards,> Anita>> --- On Thu, 8/4/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 1:30 PM>>>>>>>> Â>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Manoj ji,>>>> I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just>> little)>>>> Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his dutiesto>> the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbledas>> to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him,>> yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because hewould>> look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do somethingfor>> his family members and make them content and become content himself in>> the process....>>>> I can give more such examples.>>>> regards/Bhaskar.>>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran>> <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> >>> > Dear Sheevani Ji,>> >>> > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of>> "this tapestry called life on earth">> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms>> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a>> caterpillar. //>> >>> > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even>> the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of>> Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have>> relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of>> Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destructionof>> the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.>> > Â>> > Regards,>> >  -Manoj>> > Â>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Sheevani sheevani147@ ...>> > ancient_indian_ astrology>> > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise>> success/failure>> >>> > Â>> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,>> >>> > Namaste.>> >>> > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //>> >>> > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should startto>> lose my marbles just yet!!>> >>> > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as>> the body ages...>> >>> > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and>> responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond>> immediate needs of one own circle.>> >>> > With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so itis>> excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully>> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"...the>> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,>> not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.>> >>> > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of>> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and>> personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of>> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there areweddings,>> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone>> seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on>> unperturbed by people or events...>> >>> > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?>> >>> > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the>> active participant.>> >>> > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this>> tapestry called life on earth">> >>> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms>> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a>> caterpillar. .>> >>> > warmest regards>> > Sheevani>> >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta>> <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:>> > >>> > > You said>> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is>> discared, does the mind exist?>> > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.>> > >>> > > Thanks & Regards>> > >>> > > Chiranjiv Mehta>> > >>> > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:>> > >>> > >>> > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise>> success/failure>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM>> > >>> > >>> > > ÂÂ>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Dear All,>> > >>> > > Namaste,>> > >>> > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.>> > >>> > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death>> prashna can give the death information more accurately.>> > >>> > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that>> indicate some probability.>> > >>> > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as avery>> natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different levelof>> conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.>> > >>> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is>> discared, does the mind exist?>> > >>> > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is abetter>> place.>> > >>> > > warmest regards>> > > Sheevani>> > >>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani">> <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:>> > > >>> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,>> > > >>> > > > Namaste.>> > > >>> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2combinations.>> I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably>> thoughts of the other world do arise.>> > > >>> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and>> mercury, Sun is also vargottama.>> > > >>> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i>> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get myexit>> papers ready?.>> > > >>> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic>> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..>> > > >>> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds>> again in pisces in 12 Years time..>> > > >>> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God thatprevails..>> > > >>> > > > warmest regards>> > > > Sheevani>> > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog">> <sreesog@> wrote:>> > > > >>> > > > > Dear Shivani ji,>> > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,good>> ->> > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a>> > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thusin>> case of>> > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the>> TRANSIT>> > > > > chart).>> > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at theDEATH>> CHART>> > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done>> of judge>> > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the>> astrologer>> > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".>> > > > > Love and regards,>> > > > > Sreenadh>> > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani">> > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Namaste,>> > > > > >>> > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th>> (kantaka) from>> > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and>> Jupiter>> > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. 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Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Dear Kulbirji, Thanks for your the extracts from The Guru Granth Saheb.Also to Sheevaniji. Kindly do use your spare time to post more with translations for those of us who do not read or write Punjabi. That way you will be our Guruji ! Plus Kulbirji I do not know why you want to be identified with the naughty Swami's of India by being called Guru Ghantal. Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Fri, 9/4/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkbRe: Re: spritual practise success/failure Date: Friday, 9 April, 2010, 11:30 PM Dear Chiranjiv ji, I have absolutely no objection if you want to address me as Guru but Kindly(I INSIST) add Ghantaal to it. So next time, let it be Guru Ghantaal. //We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? There is not much harm in taking the plunge.// "He who hesitates is lost" BUT "Look before you leap." I think By now Sheevani ji must have realized that DE He SHIVA.. by Guru Gobind Singh Ji has not been included in the present day compilation of Gurru Granth Sahib. Regards KDB. On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:08 PM, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji, Respected Sheevaniji - I see that you are becoming younger by the day. This return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as opposed to earlier ignorance which one experiences when living this age. You know what you see in the true sense, yet because you know you are not part of it. As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world and the chaos, and then choose the thread which keeps it in order. This is the thread of life energy. I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of age. Maybe mine is regression. When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can discuss with some peers. I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness " from your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is byproduct of return to the innocence. Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are both right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said - and I read - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) - On Fear - feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by understanding the source of fear. Not feeling fear - absolutely - may have to do with ego. A little fear is good - it keeps you in line. I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response to a situation. Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of fear - this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing. Then there is no fear even of death. I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes in this. We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? There is not much harm in taking the plunge. Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure ancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM Dear Bhaskar Ji,You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short Regards, -Manoj Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure Dear Manoj ji,We are ordinary people. I agree that "Yogis" come from us Ordinary folksonly. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... .A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth isjust a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actualJourney is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughouteternity.... ..But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted ourduties as a good "Grihastha ashram" Holder...best wishes,Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Kulbir Ji,>> I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not beconfused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to FaceDeath, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAMEthat Fear through Bravery.>> Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOMEFEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/sheKNOWS he/she is NOT the Body.>>> -Manoj>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@. .. > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure>> > Dear Manoj ji,> // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in ourconsciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearlessat the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears thedestruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//>> Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just becauseof EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die(voluntary death).> Regards> Kulbir Bains.>>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj > wrote:>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >Dear Sheevani Ji,> >> >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this tapestry called life on earth"> >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma bloomsinto another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. //> >> >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as eventhe slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear ofDeath (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who haverelinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death,since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of theVehichle (Body) through which it operates.> >>> >Regards,> > -Manoj> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __ > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk> > >ancient_indian_ astrology> >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure> >> > > >Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >> >Namaste.> >> >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //> >> >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should startto lose my marbles just yet!!> >> >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper asthe body ages...> >> >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations andresponsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyondimmediate needs of one own circle.> >> >With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it isexcellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trullyblooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... theworld seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.> >> >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full ofall kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and> > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind ofdivides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyoneseems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes onunperturbed by people or events...> >> >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?> >> >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than theactive participant.> >> >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "thistapestry called life on earth"> >> >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma bloomsinto another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from acaterpillar. .> >> >warmest regards> >Sheevani> >> >ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> You said> >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body isdiscared, does the mind exist?> >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.> >>>> >> Thanks & Regards> >>> >> Chiranjiv Mehta> >>> >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> >>> >>> >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure> >>> ancient_indian_ astrology > >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> >>> >>> >> Â > >>>> >>> >>> >> Dear All,> >>> >> Namaste,> >>> >> I am sorry if my remmarks about> > death, seem flippant to you.> >>> >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and deathprashna can give the death information more accurately.> >>> >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too thatindicate some probability.> >>>> >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as avery natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a differentlevel of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.> >>> >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body isdiscared, does the mind exist?> >>>> >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a betterplace.> >>> >> warmest regards> >> Sheevani> >>> >> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"<sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> >> >> > Namaste.> >> >> >> > Yes, i> > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I wasjust laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughtsof the other world do arise.> >> >> >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus andmercury, Sun is also vargottama.> >>> >> >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so iwas laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exitpapers ready?.> >> >> >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmicdebts are cleared during my Shani MD..> >>> >> >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his roundsagain in pisces in 12 Years time..> >> >> >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God thatprevails..> >> >> >>> > warmest regards> >> > Sheevani> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > >> >> > > Dear Shivani ji,> >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,good -> >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thusin case of> >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about theTRANSIT> >> > > chart).> >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at theDEATH CHART> >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (doneof judge> >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then theastrologer> >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".> >>> > > Love and regards,> >> > > Sreenadh> >> > >> >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Sheevani"> >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> >> > > >> >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > > >> >> > > > Namaste,> >> > > >> >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th(kantaka) from> >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign andJupiter> >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to bothbirth> >> > > and death]///> >> > > >> >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> >> > > >> >> > > > warmest regards> >> > > > Sheevani> >> > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in..> > com/> >>> >> >> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Dear Chakravarthi ji,Thanks for the support, I appreciate it. yes, sucker is the right word perhaps. Yes, I know or rather I have realised that I was doing injustice to myself by sort of , allowing people to take undue advantage of my willingness to help but I have stopped it. Not that I do not help people but I do not bite off more than I can chew. I have learnt to draw the line at the proper time and place. That has been a big achievement for me and has come the hard way.thanks again, Have you ever wondered why and how all the people whom you helped most disappear all of a sudden when you need help and support? )Regards, Anita--- On Sat, 10/4/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2RE: Re: spritual practise success/failure"' '" Saturday, 10 April, 2010, 4:22 AM  Dear Anita-ji, What you did (and I also did in past) ..... people would call us "Suckers". //I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful// I think what you are doing now is right & ethical. Earlier, you had forgotten about your duties towards your OWNSELF. That was wrong. Please note that a Tree can only give fruit when it is taking care of itself. If it allows itself to be taken over by Parasites, then it is doing wrong 'karma' regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita RSaturday, April 10, 2010 8:27 AMancient_indian_ astrologyRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure My dear Bhaskar ji,What you have said in the last para of your mail is exactly what I have done now. Of course I have done it after long sermons of "dumping people who sap our energies" by a couple of my dear friends over a period of a couple of years. Now this is important. I used to help others on their terms. At their convenience, even at the cost of my time, and my compromise. I do not know if I am able to put forward my views properly or not. Eg. If Bhaskar ji wanted some help from me, I would help him according to HIS convenience, in the way He wanted not at my convenience and within my capacities. Even tho the other person was the receiver, he did the receiving on HIS terms. I had no say in what service I was doing. I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful. Then there is the law of karma. People who take advantage of others pay for it some time in life or the other. Regards,Anita--- On Fri, 9/4/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failureancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, 9 April, 2010, 5:02 AM Dear Anita ji,I am with you on this... I actually meant that one should do his dutiesto the best of his potential possible otherwise he could not think ofdying peacefully. One cannot make anybody happy in this world. A mancannot make even himself happy so no question of family members.The appraisal has to be self as I think Chakraborty ji mentioned.What you wrote is perfect human behaviour. The more one does, the moreis expected, and the more one is criticised, and the more they will siton your head and try to control you. But we have to draw a line who isexploiting us and who needs our services. And apart keeping aside howthey behave towards us, we have to continue doing our duties to the bestof our extents possible..regards,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..>wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> Tell me, can you tell me if there has been any one who has been ableto perform his duties to the satisfaction of his family members at all?I am speaking from personal experience. I find, the more you do , themore is expected from you and the more you are criticised.. I do notknow if you agree with me or not but this has been my personalexperience.> Regards,> Anita>> --- On Thu, 8/4/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 1:30 PM>>>>>>>> Â>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Manoj ji,>>>> I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just>> little)>>>> Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his dutiesto>> the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbledas>> to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him,>> yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because hewould>> look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do somethingfor>> his family members and make them content and become content himself in>> the process....>>>> I can give more such examples.>>>> regards/Bhaskar.>>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran>> <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> >>> > Dear Sheevani Ji,>> >>> > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of>> "this tapestry called life on earth">> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms>> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a>> caterpillar. //>> >>> > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even>> the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of>> Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have>> relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of>> Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destructionof>> the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.>> > Â>> > Regards,>> >  -Manoj>> > Â>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Sheevani sheevani147@ ...>> > ancient_indian_ astrology>> > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise>> success/failure>> >>> > Â>> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,>> >>> > Namaste.>> >>> > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //>> >>> > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should startto>> lose my marbles just yet!!>> >>> > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as>> the body ages...>> >>> > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and>> responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond>> immediate needs of one own circle.>> >>> > With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so itis>> excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully>> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"...the>> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,>> not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.>> >>> > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of>> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and>> personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of>> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there areweddings,>> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone>> seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on>> unperturbed by people or events...>> >>> > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?>> >>> > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the>> active participant.>> >>> > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this>> tapestry called life on earth">> >>> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms>> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a>> caterpillar. .>> >>> > warmest regards>> > Sheevani>> >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta>> <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:>> > >>> > > You said>> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is>> discared, does the mind exist?>> > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.>> > >>> > > Thanks & Regards>> > >>> > > Chiranjiv Mehta>> > >>> > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:>> > >>> > >>> > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise>> success/failure>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM>> > >>> > >>> > > ÂÂ>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Dear All,>> > >>> > > Namaste,>> > >>> > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.>> > >>> > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death>> prashna can give the death information more accurately.>> > >>> > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that>> indicate some probability.>> > >>> > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as avery>> natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different levelof>> conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.>> > >>> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is>> discared, does the mind exist?>> > >>> > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is abetter>> place.>> > >>> > > warmest regards>> > > Sheevani>> > >>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani">> <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:>> > > >>> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,>> > > >>> > > > Namaste.>> > > >>> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2combinations.>> I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably>> thoughts of the other world do arise.>> > > >>> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and>> mercury, Sun is also vargottama.>> > > >>> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i>> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get myexit>> papers ready?.>> > > >>> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic>> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..>> > > >>> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds>> again in pisces in 12 Years time..>> > > >>> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God thatprevails..>> > > >>> > > > warmest regards>> > > > Sheevani>> > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog">> <sreesog@> wrote:>> > > > >>> > > > > Dear Shivani ji,>> > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,good>> ->> > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a>> > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thusin>> case of>> > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the>> TRANSIT>> > > > > chart).>> > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at theDEATH>> CHART>> > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done>> of judge>> > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the>> astrologer>> > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".>> > > > > Love and regards,>> > > > > Sreenadh>> > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani">> > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Namaste,>> > > > > >>> > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th>> (kantaka) from>> > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and>> Jupiter>> > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies toboth>> birth>> > > > > and death]///>> > > > > >>> > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.>> > > > > >>> > > > > > warmest regards>> > > > > > Sheevani>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.>> http://in.. com/>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Sheevani ji and Dear Chiranjiv ji; Guru Gobind Singh Ji authored these portions and some parts are by 52 Scholars that practised under his patronage. Just because reference to 24 Avatars, Chandi di vaaar, Deh hey Shiva etc. linked Sikhism with Hindus. It was removed/not incorporated in modern compilation of Guru Granth Sahib under British influence. AND persons who wrote books like HUM HINDU NAHIN were decorated by the British and their Sympathizers. This Compilation is now known as DASAM GRANTH. Sikh Scholars have formed two camps and are at loggerheads over this issue.And lot of politics is involved in it.Sheevani ji, //What I am curious to know is that there apprently is a manucripted book handwritten by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and it is rumoured that no human can read it, as attempting to read it, risks loss of eye-sight.// ABSOLUTELY WHITE LIE.If you know WHAT Guru Gobind Singh Ji being means; Kindly refer to MITAR PYARE NUN HAAL MURIDAAN DA KAHNA and in which circumstances he wrote these lines. I can say with authority that it will definitely improve your SIGHT. May be helps in opening the third eye.RegardsKDBn Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote: Dear Kulbir Ji, Namaste. ///I think By now Sheevani ji must have realized that DE He SHIVA.. by Guru Gobind Singh Ji has not been included in the present day compilation of Gurru Granth Sahib./// Thank you for your care and concern. It is much appreciated. I do know that " Deh Shiva var mohe " is not found in the Guru Granth Sahib ji, but it forms part of another one of the Sikh holy books generally refered to as the 10th Granth, which contains the teachings of the 10th Guru Gobind SinghJi.. This shabad is also regarded as the sikh national anthem. What I am curious to know is that there apprently is a manucripted book handwritten by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and it is rumoured that no human can read it, as attempting to read it, risks loss of eye-sight. I do not know for sure if that is true, kindly enlighten me if you do know about it.. warmest regards Sheevani , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > I have absolutely no objection if you want to address me as Guru but > Kindly(I INSIST) add Ghantaal to it. So next time, let it be Guru Ghantaal. > > //We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? > There is not much harm in taking the plunge.// > > " He who hesitates is lost " BUT " Look before you leap. " > > I think By now Sheevani ji must have realized that DE He SHIVA.. by Guru > Gobind Singh Ji has not been included in the present day compilation of > Gurru Granth Sahib. > > Regards > KDB. > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:08 PM, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjivwrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji, > > Respected Sheevaniji - I see that you are becoming younger by the day. This > > return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as opposed to > > earlier ignorance which one experiences when living this age. You know what > > you see in the true sense, yet because you know you are not part of it. > > As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world and > > the chaos, and then choose the thread which keeps it in order. This is the > > thread of life energy. > > I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of age. Maybe > > mine is regression. > > When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can discuss with > > some peers. > > I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness " from > > your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is byproduct of > > return to the innocence. > > > > Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are both > > right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said - and I read > > - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) - > > On Fear - feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by understanding the > > source of fear. > > Not feeling fear - absolutely - may have to do with ego. A little fear is > > good - it keeps you in line. > > I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response to a > > situation. > > Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of fear - > > this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing. Then there > > is no fear even of death. > > I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes in this. > > > > We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? > > There is not much harm in taking the plunge. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj* wrote: > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj > > Re: Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps > > a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short > > > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > *Sent:* Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > We are ordinary people. I agree that " Yogis " come from us Ordinary folks > > only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... . > > > > A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth is > > just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual > > Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout > > eternity.... .. > > > > But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our > > duties as a good " Grihastha ashram " Holder... > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=%40>, > > Manoj Chandran > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be > > confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to Face > > Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAME > > that Fear through Bravery. > > > > > > Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOME > > FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/she > > KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body. > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ .. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> > > > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our > > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. > > Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless > > at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the > > destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.// > > > > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because > > of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die > > (voluntary death). > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > > >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > > > > " this tapestry called life on earth " > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. // > > > > > > > >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, > > since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the > > Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > > >> > > > >Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > > >Namaste. > > > > > > > >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > > >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start > > to lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > > >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > > the body ages... > > > > > > > >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > > >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > > >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > > >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > > >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > active participant. > > > > > > > >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > > >warmest regards > > > >Sheevani > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> You said > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > >>> > > > >> Thanks & Regards > > > >> > > > >> Chiranjiv Mehta > > > >> > > > >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Â > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dear All, > > > >> > > > >> Namaste, > > > >> > > > >> I am sorry if my remmarks about > > > > death, seem flippant to you. > > > >> > > > >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > >> > > > >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > indicate some probability. > > > >>> > > > >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a > > very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different > > level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > >> > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > >>> > > > >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > place. > > > >> > > > >> warmest regards > > > >> Sheevani > > > >> > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >> > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > >> > > > > >> > Namaste. > > > >> > > > > >> > Yes, i > > > > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was > > just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts > > of the other world do arise. > > > >> > > > > >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > >>> > > > > >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > > papers ready?. > > > >> > > > > >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > >>> > > > > >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > >> > > > > >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that > > prevails.. > > > >> > > > > >>> > warmest regards > > > >> > Sheevani > > > >> > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, > > good - > > > >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus > > in case of > > > >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > TRANSIT > > > >> > > chart). > > > >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the > > DEATH CHART > > > >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > > of judge > > > >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > astrologer > > > >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > >>> > > Love and regards, > > > >> > > Sreenadh > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Sheevani " > > > >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Namaste, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > (kantaka) from > > > >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > Jupiter > > > >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > > birth > > > >> > > and death]/// > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > warmest regards > > > >> > > > Sheevani > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. http://in.. > > > > com/ > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!<http://in.rd./tagline_ie8_new/*http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/> > > . > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Kindly watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_jm2MCaZqE & feature=relatedIt is sung by Mohammad Rafi sahib and has English translation; also a reference to the circumstances in which it was compiled. On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: Sheevani ji and Dear Chiranjiv ji; Guru Gobind Singh Ji authored these portions and some parts are by 52 Scholars that practised under his patronage. Just because reference to 24 Avatars, Chandi di vaaar, Deh hey Shiva etc. linked Sikhism with Hindus. It was removed/not incorporated in modern compilation of Guru Granth Sahib under British influence. AND persons who wrote books like HUM HINDU NAHIN were decorated by the British and their Sympathizers. This Compilation is now known as DASAM GRANTH. Sikh Scholars have formed two camps and are at loggerheads over this issue.And lot of politics is involved in it.Sheevani ji, //What I am curious to know is that there apprently is a manucripted book handwritten by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and it is rumoured that no human can read it, as attempting to read it, risks loss of eye-sight.// ABSOLUTELY WHITE LIE.If you know WHAT Guru Gobind Singh Ji being means; Kindly refer to MITAR PYARE NUN HAAL MURIDAAN DA KAHNA and in which circumstances he wrote these lines. I can say with authority that it will definitely improve your SIGHT. May be helps in opening the third eye.RegardsKDBn Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote: Dear Kulbir Ji, Namaste. ///I think By now Sheevani ji must have realized that DE He SHIVA.. by Guru Gobind Singh Ji has not been included in the present day compilation of Gurru Granth Sahib./// Thank you for your care and concern. It is much appreciated. I do know that " Deh Shiva var mohe " is not found in the Guru Granth Sahib ji, but it forms part of another one of the Sikh holy books generally refered to as the 10th Granth, which contains the teachings of the 10th Guru Gobind SinghJi.. This shabad is also regarded as the sikh national anthem. What I am curious to know is that there apprently is a manucripted book handwritten by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and it is rumoured that no human can read it, as attempting to read it, risks loss of eye-sight. I do not know for sure if that is true, kindly enlighten me if you do know about it.. warmest regards Sheevani , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > I have absolutely no objection if you want to address me as Guru but > Kindly(I INSIST) add Ghantaal to it. So next time, let it be Guru Ghantaal. > > //We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? > There is not much harm in taking the plunge.// > > " He who hesitates is lost " BUT " Look before you leap. " > > I think By now Sheevani ji must have realized that DE He SHIVA.. by Guru > Gobind Singh Ji has not been included in the present day compilation of > Gurru Granth Sahib. > > Regards > KDB. > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:08 PM, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjivwrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji, > > Respected Sheevaniji - I see that you are becoming younger by the day. This > > return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as opposed to > > earlier ignorance which one experiences when living this age. You know what > > you see in the true sense, yet because you know you are not part of it. > > As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world and > > the chaos, and then choose the thread which keeps it in order. This is the > > thread of life energy. > > I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of age. Maybe > > mine is regression. > > When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can discuss with > > some peers. > > I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness " from > > your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is byproduct of > > return to the innocence. > > > > Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are both > > right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said - and I read > > - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) - > > On Fear - feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by understanding the > > source of fear. > > Not feeling fear - absolutely - may have to do with ego. A little fear is > > good - it keeps you in line. > > I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response to a > > situation. > > Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of fear - > > this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing. Then there > > is no fear even of death. > > I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes in this. > > > > We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? > > There is not much harm in taking the plunge. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj* wrote: > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj > > Re: Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps > > a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short > > > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > *Sent:* Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > We are ordinary people. I agree that " Yogis " come from us Ordinary folks > > only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... . > > > > A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth is > > just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual > > Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout > > eternity.... .. > > > > But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our > > duties as a good " Grihastha ashram " Holder... > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=%40>, > > Manoj Chandran > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be > > confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to Face > > Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAME > > that Fear through Bravery. > > > > > > Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOME > > FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/she > > KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body. > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ .. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> > > > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our > > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. > > Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless > > at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the > > destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.// > > > > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because > > of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die > > (voluntary death). > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > > >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > > > > " this tapestry called life on earth " > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. // > > > > > > > >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, > > since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the > > Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > > >> > > > >Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > > >Namaste. > > > > > > > >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > > >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start > > to lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > > >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > > the body ages... > > > > > > > >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > > >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > > >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > > >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > > >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > active participant. > > > > > > > >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > > >warmest regards > > > >Sheevani > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> You said > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > >>> > > > >> Thanks & Regards > > > >> > > > >> Chiranjiv Mehta > > > >> > > > >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Â > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dear All, > > > >> > > > >> Namaste, > > > >> > > > >> I am sorry if my remmarks about > > > > death, seem flippant to you. > > > >> > > > >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > >> > > > >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > indicate some probability. > > > >>> > > > >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a > > very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different > > level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > >> > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > >>> > > > >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > place. > > > >> > > > >> warmest regards > > > >> Sheevani > > > >> > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >> > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > >> > > > > >> > Namaste. > > > >> > > > > >> > Yes, i > > > > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was > > just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts > > of the other world do arise. > > > >> > > > > >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > >>> > > > > >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > > papers ready?. > > > >> > > > > >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > >>> > > > > >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > >> > > > > >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that > > prevails.. > > > >> > > > > >>> > warmest regards > > > >> > Sheevani > > > >> > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, > > good - > > > >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus > > in case of > > > >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > TRANSIT > > > >> > > chart). > > > >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the > > DEATH CHART > > > >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > > of judge > > > >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > astrologer > > > >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > >>> > > Love and regards, > > > >> > > Sreenadh > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Sheevani " > > > >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Namaste, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > (kantaka) from > > > >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > Jupiter > > > >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > > birth > > > >> > > and death]/// > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > warmest regards > > > >> > > > Sheevani > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. http://in.. > > > > com/ > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!<http://in.rd./tagline_ie8_new/*http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/> > > . > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Kindly also try to find something about Sarbloh Granth " the Granth or Scripture of all-steel or iron " . On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: Kindly watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_jm2MCaZqE & feature=relatedIt is sung by Mohammad Rafi sahib and has English translation; also a reference to the circumstances in which it was compiled. On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: Sheevani ji and Dear Chiranjiv ji; Guru Gobind Singh Ji authored these portions and some parts are by 52 Scholars that practised under his patronage. Just because reference to 24 Avatars, Chandi di vaaar, Deh hey Shiva etc. linked Sikhism with Hindus. It was removed/not incorporated in modern compilation of Guru Granth Sahib under British influence. AND persons who wrote books like HUM HINDU NAHIN were decorated by the British and their Sympathizers. This Compilation is now known as DASAM GRANTH. Sikh Scholars have formed two camps and are at loggerheads over this issue.And lot of politics is involved in it.Sheevani ji, //What I am curious to know is that there apprently is a manucripted book handwritten by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and it is rumoured that no human can read it, as attempting to read it, risks loss of eye-sight.// ABSOLUTELY WHITE LIE.If you know WHAT Guru Gobind Singh Ji being means; Kindly refer to MITAR PYARE NUN HAAL MURIDAAN DA KAHNA and in which circumstances he wrote these lines. I can say with authority that it will definitely improve your SIGHT. May be helps in opening the third eye.RegardsKDBn Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote: Dear Kulbir Ji, Namaste. ///I think By now Sheevani ji must have realized that DE He SHIVA.. by Guru Gobind Singh Ji has not been included in the present day compilation of Gurru Granth Sahib./// Thank you for your care and concern. It is much appreciated. I do know that " Deh Shiva var mohe " is not found in the Guru Granth Sahib ji, but it forms part of another one of the Sikh holy books generally refered to as the 10th Granth, which contains the teachings of the 10th Guru Gobind SinghJi.. This shabad is also regarded as the sikh national anthem. What I am curious to know is that there apprently is a manucripted book handwritten by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and it is rumoured that no human can read it, as attempting to read it, risks loss of eye-sight. I do not know for sure if that is true, kindly enlighten me if you do know about it.. warmest regards Sheevani , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > I have absolutely no objection if you want to address me as Guru but > Kindly(I INSIST) add Ghantaal to it. So next time, let it be Guru Ghantaal. > > //We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? > There is not much harm in taking the plunge.// > > " He who hesitates is lost " BUT " Look before you leap. " > > I think By now Sheevani ji must have realized that DE He SHIVA.. by Guru > Gobind Singh Ji has not been included in the present day compilation of > Gurru Granth Sahib. > > Regards > KDB. > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:08 PM, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjivwrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji, > > Respected Sheevaniji - I see that you are becoming younger by the day. This > > return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as opposed to > > earlier ignorance which one experiences when living this age. You know what > > you see in the true sense, yet because you know you are not part of it. > > As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world and > > the chaos, and then choose the thread which keeps it in order. This is the > > thread of life energy. > > I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of age. Maybe > > mine is regression. > > When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can discuss with > > some peers. > > I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness " from > > your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is byproduct of > > return to the innocence. > > > > Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are both > > right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said - and I read > > - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) - > > On Fear - feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by understanding the > > source of fear. > > Not feeling fear - absolutely - may have to do with ego. A little fear is > > good - it keeps you in line. > > I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response to a > > situation. > > Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of fear - > > this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing. Then there > > is no fear even of death. > > I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes in this. > > > > We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!?? > > There is not much harm in taking the plunge. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj* wrote: > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj > > Re: Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps > > a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short > > > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > *Sent:* Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > We are ordinary people. I agree that " Yogis " come from us Ordinary folks > > only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... . > > > > A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth is > > just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual > > Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout > > eternity.... .. > > > > But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our > > duties as a good " Grihastha ashram " Holder... > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=%40>, > > Manoj Chandran > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be > > confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to Face > > Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAME > > that Fear through Bravery. > > > > > > Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOME > > FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/she > > KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body. > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ .. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> > > > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our > > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. > > Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless > > at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the > > destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.// > > > > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because > > of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die > > (voluntary death). > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > > >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > > > > " this tapestry called life on earth " > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. // > > > > > > > >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, > > since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the > > Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > > >> > > > >Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > > >Namaste. > > > > > > > >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > > >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start > > to lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > > >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > > the body ages... > > > > > > > >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > > >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > > >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > > >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > > >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > active participant. > > > > > > > >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > > >warmest regards > > > >Sheevani > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> You said > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > >>> > > > >> Thanks & Regards > > > >> > > > >> Chiranjiv Mehta > > > >> > > > >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Â > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dear All, > > > >> > > > >> Namaste, > > > >> > > > >> I am sorry if my remmarks about > > > > death, seem flippant to you. > > > >> > > > >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > >> > > > >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > indicate some probability. > > > >>> > > > >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a > > very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different > > level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > >> > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > >>> > > > >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > place. > > > >> > > > >> warmest regards > > > >> Sheevani > > > >> > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >> > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > >> > > > > >> > Namaste. > > > >> > > > > >> > Yes, i > > > > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was > > just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts > > of the other world do arise. > > > >> > > > > >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > >>> > > > > >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > > papers ready?. > > > >> > > > > >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > >>> > > > > >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > >> > > > > >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that > > prevails.. > > > >> > > > > >>> > warmest regards > > > >> > Sheevani > > > >> > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, > > good - > > > >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus > > in case of > > > >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > TRANSIT > > > >> > > chart). > > > >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the > > DEATH CHART > > > >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > > of judge > > > >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > astrologer > > > >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > >>> > > Love and regards, > > > >> > > Sreenadh > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Sheevani " > > > >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Namaste, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > (kantaka) from > > > >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > Jupiter > > > >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > > birth > > > >> > > and death]/// > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > warmest regards > > > >> > > > Sheevani > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. http://in.. > > > > com/ > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!<http://in.rd./tagline_ie8_new/*http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/> > > . > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dear Anita-ji, Long back, I have seen my father doing real philanthropy. The net result is.... 1) He had a great reputation..even now people know us by his name.2) We became very poor. No one really helped.3) But help came from unexpected places. Not from the people he helped.4) Being kind hearted also makes people reflective & less ambitious. He could not utilize some of the materialistic opportunities in life. I am not philanthropic. I do help after giving it some thought...whether the person is putting efforts or not is the 1st criteria for help. 2nd criteria iswhether I will be able to help him without getting very adversely affected. No, I never do a help/good job because it is good thing to do or it will giveme some "good karma / Punya".....or the person will payback. If the job is good....and I really need help, God will help me out...but thru'someone else...not thru' the person I helped. I have been helped by many strangers in life. regards P L Chakraborty On Behalf Of Anita RSaturday, April 10, 2010 8:14 PM Subject: RE: Re: spritual practise success/failure Dear Chakravarthi ji,Thanks for the support, I appreciate it. yes, sucker is the right word perhaps. Yes, I know or rather I have realised that I was doing injustice to myself by sort of , allowing people to take undue advantage of my willingness to help but I have stopped it. Not that I do not help people but I do not bite off more than I can chew. I have learnt to draw the line at the proper time and place. That has been a big achievement for me and has come the hard way.thanks again, Have you ever wondered why and how all the people whom you helped most disappear all of a sudden when you need help and support? )Regards, Anita--- On Sat, 10/4/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 (AT) iocl (DOT) co.in> wrote:Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 (AT) iocl (DOT) co.in>RE: Re: spritual practise success/failure"' '" Saturday, 10 April, 2010, 4:22 AM  Dear Anita-ji, What you did (and I also did in past) ..... people would call us "Suckers". //I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful// I think what you are doing now is right & ethical. Earlier, you had forgottenabout your duties towards your OWNSELF. That was wrong. Please note that a Tree can only give fruit when it is taking care of itself.If it allows itself to be taken over by Parasites, then it is doing wrong 'karma' regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita RSaturday, April 10, 2010 8:27 AMancient_indian_ astrologyRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure My dear Bhaskar ji,What you have said in the last para of your mail is exactly what I have done now. Of course I have done it after long sermons of "dumping people who sap our energies" by a couple of my dear friends over a period of a couple of years. Now this is important. I used to help others on their terms. At their convenience, even at the cost of my time, and my compromise. I do not know if I am able to put forward my views properly or not. Eg. If Bhaskar ji wanted some help from me, I would help him according to HIS convenience, in the way He wanted not at my convenience and within my capacities. Even tho the other person was the receiver, he did the receiving on HIS terms. I had no say in what service I was doing. I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful. Then there is the law of karma. People who take advantage of others pay for it some time in life or the other. Regards,Anita--- On Fri, 9/4/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failureancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, 9 April, 2010, 5:02 AM Dear Anita ji,I am with you on this... I actually meant that one should do his dutiesto the best of his potential possible otherwise he could not think ofdying peacefully. One cannot make anybody happy in this world. A mancannot make even himself happy so no question of family members.The appraisal has to be self as I think Chakraborty ji mentioned.What you wrote is perfect human behaviour. The more one does, the moreis expected, and the more one is criticised, and the more they will siton your head and try to control you. But we have to draw a line who isexploiting us and who needs our services. And apart keeping aside howthey behave towards us, we have to continue doing our duties to the bestof our extents possible..regards,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..>wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> Tell me, can you tell me if there has been any one who has been ableto perform his duties to the satisfaction of his family members at all?I am speaking from personal experience. I find, the more you do , themore is expected from you and the more you are criticised.. I do notknow if you agree with me or not but this has been my personalexperience.> Regards,> Anita>> --- On Thu, 8/4/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 1:30 PM>>>>>>>> Â>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Manoj ji,>>>> I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just>> little)>>>> Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his dutiesto>> the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbledas>> to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him,>> yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because hewould>> look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do somethingfor>> his family members and make them content and become content himself in>> the process....>>>> I can give more such examples.>>>> regards/Bhaskar.>>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran>> <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> >>> > Dear Sheevani Ji,>> >>> > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of>> "this tapestry called life on earth">> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms>> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a>> caterpillar. //>> >>> > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even>> the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of>> Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have>> relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of>> Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destructionof>> the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.>> > Â>> > Regards,>> >  -Manoj>> > Â>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Sheevani sheevani147@ ...>> > ancient_indian_ astrology>> > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise>> success/failure>> >>> > Â>> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,>> >>> > Namaste.>> >>> > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //>> >>> > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should startto>> lose my marbles just yet!!>> >>> > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as>> the body ages...>> >>> > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and>> responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond>> immediate needs of one own circle.>> >>> > With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so itis>> excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully>> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"...the>> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,>> not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.>> >>> > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of>> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and>> personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of>> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there areweddings,>> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone>> seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on>> unperturbed by people or events...>> >>> > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?>> >>> > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the>> active participant.>> >>> > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this>> tapestry called life on earth">> >>> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms>> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a>> caterpillar. .>> >>> > warmest regards>> > Sheevani>> >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta>> <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:>> > >>> > > You said>> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is>> discared, does the mind exist?>> > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.>> > >>> > > Thanks & Regards>> > >>> > > Chiranjiv Mehta>> > >>> > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:>> > >>> > >>> > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise>> success/failure>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM>> > >>> > >>> > > ÂÂ>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Dear All,>> > >>> > > Namaste,>> > >>> > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.>> > >>> > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death>> prashna can give the death information more accurately.>> > >>> > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that>> indicate some probability.>> > >>> > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as avery>> natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different levelof>> conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.>> > >>> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is>> discared, does the mind exist?>> > >>> > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is abetter>> place.>> > >>> > > warmest regards>> > > Sheevani>> > >>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani">> <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:>> > > >>> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,>> > > >>> > > > Namaste.>> > > >>> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2combinations.>> I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably>> thoughts of the other world do arise.>> > > >>> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and>> mercury, Sun is also vargottama.>> > > >>> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i>> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get myexit>> papers ready?.>> > > >>> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic>> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..>> > > >>> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds>> again in pisces in 12 Years time..>> > > >>> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God thatprevails..>> > > >>> > > > warmest regards>> > > > Sheevani>> > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog">> <sreesog@> wrote:>> > > > >>> > > > > Dear Shivani ji,>> > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,good>> ->> > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a>> > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thusin>> case of>> > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the>> TRANSIT>> > > > > chart).>> > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at theDEATH>> CHART>> > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done>> of judge>> > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the>> astrologer>> > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".>> > > > > Love and regards,>> > > > > Sreenadh>> > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani">> > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Namaste,>> > > > > >>> > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th>> (kantaka) from>> > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and>> Jupiter>> > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies toboth>> birth>> > > > > and death]///>> > > > > >>> > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.>> > > > > >>> > > > > > warmest regards>> > > > > > Sheevani>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.>> http://in.. com/>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/>The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dear CHakravarthi ji,The third point in your mail has exactly been my experience in life. as far as the second point is considered, if my husband and I had not drawn the line where we did, we would have been in the same position which you mentioned. Now we think before helping others. Whether they are really in need of help, whether they DESERVE to be helped, if they have put in enough efforts etc as you said.One observation. Help always comes from some source or the other when you are sincere, selfless and honest in your intentions. My experience is that the intention behind the action matters more than the action itself. No idea if you agree.Regards, Anita--- On Mon, 12/4/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2RE: Re: spritual practise success/failure"' '" Monday, 12 April, 2010, 3:02 AM  Dear Anita-ji, Long back, I have seen my father doing real philanthropy. The net result is.... 1) He had a great reputation.. even now people know us by his name. 2) We became very poor. No one really helped. 3) But help came from unexpected places. Not from the people he helped. 4) Being kind hearted also makes people reflective & less ambitious. He could not utilize some of the materialistic opportunities in life. I am not philanthropic. I do help after giving it some thought...whether the person is putting efforts or not is the 1st criteria for help. 2nd criteria is whether I will be able to help him without getting very adversely affected. No, I never do a help/good job because it is good thing to do or it will give me some "good karma / Punya".....or the person will payback. If the job is good....and I really need help, God will help me out...but thru' someone else...not thru' the person I helped. I have been helped by many strangers in life. regards P L Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita RSaturday, April 10, 2010 8:14 PMancient_indian_ astrologyRE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure Dear Chakravarthi ji,Thanks for the support, I appreciate it. yes, sucker is the right word perhaps. Yes, I know or rather I have realised that I was doing injustice to myself by sort of , allowing people to take undue advantage of my willingness to help but I have stopped it. Not that I do not help people but I do not bite off more than I can chew. I have learnt to draw the line at the proper time and place. That has been a big achievement for me and has come the hard way.thanks again, Have you ever wondered why and how all the people whom you helped most disappear all of a sudden when you need help and support? )Regards, Anita--- On Sat, 10/4/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in>RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure"'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology>Saturday, 10 April, 2010, 4:22 AM  Dear Anita-ji, What you did (and I also did in past) ..... people would call us "Suckers". //I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful// I think what you are doing now is right & ethical. Earlier, you had forgotten about your duties towards your OWNSELF. That was wrong. Please note that a Tree can only give fruit when it is taking care of itself. If it allows itself to be taken over by Parasites, then it is doing wrong 'karma' regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita RSaturday, April 10, 2010 8:27 AMancient_indian_ astrologyRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure My dear Bhaskar ji,What you have said in the last para of your mail is exactly what I have done now. Of course I have done it after long sermons of "dumping people who sap our energies" by a couple of my dear friends over a period of a couple of years. Now this is important. I used to help others on their terms. At their convenience, even at the cost of my time, and my compromise. I do not know if I am able to put forward my views properly or not. Eg. If Bhaskar ji wanted some help from me, I would help him according to HIS convenience, in the way He wanted not at my convenience and within my capacities. Even tho the other person was the receiver, he did the receiving on HIS terms. I had no say in what service I was doing. I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful. Then there is the law of karma. People who take advantage of others pay for it some time in life or the other. Regards,Anita--- On Fri, 9/4/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failureancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, 9 April, 2010, 5:02 AM Dear Anita ji,I am with you on this... I actually meant that one should do his dutiesto the best of his potential possible otherwise he could not think ofdying peacefully. One cannot make anybody happy in this world. A mancannot make even himself happy so no question of family members.The appraisal has to be self as I think Chakraborty ji mentioned.What you wrote is perfect human behaviour. The more one does, the moreis expected, and the more one is criticised, and the more they will siton your head and try to control you. But we have to draw a line who isexploiting us and who needs our services. And apart keeping aside howthey behave towards us, we have to continue doing our duties to the bestof our extents possible..regards,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..>wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> Tell me, can you tell me if there has been any one who has been ableto perform his duties to the satisfaction of his family members at all?I am speaking from personal experience. I find, the more you do , themore is expected from you and the more you are criticised.. I do notknow if you agree with me or not but this has been my personalexperience.> Regards,> Anita>> --- On Thu, 8/4/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 1:30 PM>>>>>>>> Â>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Manoj ji,>>>> I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just>> little)>>>> Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his dutiesto>> the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbledas>> to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him,>> yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because hewould>> look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do somethingfor>> his family members and make them content and become content himself in>> the process....>>>> I can give more such examples.>>>> regards/Bhaskar.>>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran>> <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> >>> > Dear Sheevani Ji,>> >>> > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of>> "this tapestry called life on earth">> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms>> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a>> caterpillar. //>> >>> > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even>> the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of>> Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have>> relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of>> Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destructionof>> the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.>> > Â>> > Regards,>> >  -Manoj>> > Â>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Sheevani sheevani147@ ...>> > ancient_indian_ astrology>> > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise>> success/failure>> >>> > Â>> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,>> >>> > Namaste.>> >>> > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //>> >>> > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should startto>> lose my marbles just yet!!>> >>> > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as>> the body ages...>> >>> > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and>> responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond>> immediate needs of one own circle.>> >>> > With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so itis>> excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully>> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"...the>> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,>> not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.>> >>> > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of>> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and>> personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of>> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there areweddings,>> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone>> seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on>> unperturbed by people or events...>> >>> > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?>> >>> > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the>> active participant.>> >>> > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this>> tapestry called life on earth">> >>> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms>> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a>> caterpillar. .>> >>> > warmest regards>> > Sheevani>> >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta>> <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:>> > >>> > > You said>> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is>> discared, does the mind exist?>> > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.>> > >>> > > Thanks & Regards>> > >>> > > Chiranjiv Mehta>> > >>> > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:>> > >>> > >>> > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise>> success/failure>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM>> > >>> > >>> > > ÂÂ>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Dear All,>> > >>> > > Namaste,>> > >>> > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.>> > >>> > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death>> prashna can give the death information more accurately.>> > >>> > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that>> indicate some probability.>> > >>> > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as avery>> natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different levelof>> conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.>> > >>> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is>> discared, does the mind exist?>> > >>> > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is abetter>> place.>> > >>> > > warmest regards>> > > Sheevani>> > >>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani">> <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:>> > > >>> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,>> > > >>> > > > Namaste.>> > > >>> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2combinations.>> I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably>> thoughts of the other world do arise.>> > > >>> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and>> mercury, Sun is also vargottama.>> > > >>> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i>> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get myexit>> papers ready?.>> > > >>> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic>> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..>> > > >>> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds>> again in pisces in 12 Years time..>> > > >>> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God thatprevails..>> > > >>> > > > warmest regards>> > > > Sheevani>> > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog">> <sreesog@> wrote:>> > > > >>> > > > > Dear Shivani ji,>> > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,good>> ->> > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a>> > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thusin>> case of>> > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the>> TRANSIT>> > > > > chart).>> > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at theDEATH>> CHART>> > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done>> of judge>> > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the>> astrologer>> > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".>> > > > > Love and regards,>> > > > > Sreenadh>> > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani">> > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Namaste,>> > > > > >>> > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th>> (kantaka) from>> > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and>> Jupiter>> > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies toboth>> birth>> > > > > and death]///>> > > > > >>> > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.>> > > > > >>> > > > > > warmest regards>> > > > > > Sheevani>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.>> http://in.. com/>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dear Anita-ji, I do agree to that (intention is important) regards Chakraborty On Behalf Of Anita RMonday, April 12, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: RE: Re: spritual practise success/failure Dear CHakravarthi ji,The third point in your mail has exactly been my experience in life. as far as the second point is considered, if my husband and I had not drawn the line where we did, we would have been in the same position which you mentioned. Now we think before helping others. Whether they are really in need of help, whether they DESERVE to be helped, if they have put in enough efforts etc as you said.One observation. Help always comes from some source or the other when you are sincere, selfless and honest in your intentions. My experience is that the intention behind the action matters more than the action itself. No idea if you agree.Regards, Anita--- On Mon, 12/4/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 (AT) iocl (DOT) co.in> wrote:Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 (AT) iocl (DOT) co.in>RE: Re: spritual practise success/failure"' '" Monday, 12 April, 2010, 3:02 AM  Dear Anita-ji, Long back, I have seen my father doing real philanthropy. The net result is.... 1) He had a great reputation.. even now people know us by his name.2) We became very poor. No one really helped.3) But help came from unexpected places. Not from the people he helped.4) Being kind hearted also makes people reflective & less ambitious. He could not utilize some of the materialistic opportunities in life. I am not philanthropic. I do help after giving it some thought...whether the person is putting efforts or not is the 1st criteria for help. 2nd criteria iswhether I will be able to help him without getting very adversely affected. No, I never do a help/good job because it is good thing to do or it will giveme some "good karma / Punya".....or the person will payback. If the job is good....and I really need help, God will help me out...but thru'someone else...not thru' the person I helped. I have been helped by many strangers in life. regards P L Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita RSaturday, April 10, 2010 8:14 PMancient_indian_ astrologyRE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure Dear Chakravarthi ji,Thanks for the support, I appreciate it. yes, sucker is the right word perhaps. Yes, I know or rather I have realised that I was doing injustice to myself by sort of , allowing people to take undue advantage of my willingness to help but I have stopped it. Not that I do not help people but I do not bite off more than I can chew. I have learnt to draw the line at the proper time and place. That has been a big achievement for me and has come the hard way.thanks again, Have you ever wondered why and how all the people whom you helped most disappear all of a sudden when you need help and support? )Regards, Anita--- On Sat, 10/4/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote:Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in>RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure"'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology>Saturday, 10 April, 2010, 4:22 AM  Dear Anita-ji, What you did (and I also did in past) ..... people would call us "Suckers". //I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful// I think what you are doing now is right & ethical. Earlier, you had forgottenabout your duties towards your OWNSELF. That was wrong. Please note that a Tree can only give fruit when it is taking care of itself.If it allows itself to be taken over by Parasites, then it is doing wrong 'karma' regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita RSaturday, April 10, 2010 8:27 AMancient_indian_ astrologyRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure My dear Bhaskar ji,What you have said in the last para of your mail is exactly what I have done now. Of course I have done it after long sermons of "dumping people who sap our energies" by a couple of my dear friends over a period of a couple of years. Now this is important. I used to help others on their terms. At their convenience, even at the cost of my time, and my compromise. I do not know if I am able to put forward my views properly or not. Eg. If Bhaskar ji wanted some help from me, I would help him according to HIS convenience, in the way He wanted not at my convenience and within my capacities. Even tho the other person was the receiver, he did the receiving on HIS terms. I had no say in what service I was doing. I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful. Then there is the law of karma. People who take advantage of others pay for it some time in life or the other. Regards,Anita--- On Fri, 9/4/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failureancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, 9 April, 2010, 5:02 AM Dear Anita ji,I am with you on this... I actually meant that one should do his dutiesto the best of his potential possible otherwise he could not think ofdying peacefully. One cannot make anybody happy in this world. A mancannot make even himself happy so no question of family members.The appraisal has to be self as I think Chakraborty ji mentioned.What you wrote is perfect human behaviour. The more one does, the moreis expected, and the more one is criticised, and the more they will siton your head and try to control you. But we have to draw a line who isexploiting us and who needs our services. And apart keeping aside howthey behave towards us, we have to continue doing our duties to the bestof our extents possible..regards,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..>wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> Tell me, can you tell me if there has been any one who has been ableto perform his duties to the satisfaction of his family members at all?I am speaking from personal experience. I find, the more you do , themore is expected from you and the more you are criticised.. I do notknow if you agree with me or not but this has been my personalexperience.> Regards,> Anita>> --- On Thu, 8/4/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 1:30 PM>>>>>>>> Â>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Manoj ji,>>>> I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just>> little)>>>> Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his dutiesto>> the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbledas>> to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him,>> yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because hewould>> look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do somethingfor>> his family members and make them content and become content himself in>> the process....>>>> I can give more such examples.>>>> regards/Bhaskar.>>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran>> <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> >>> > Dear Sheevani Ji,>> >>> > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of>> "this tapestry called life on earth">> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms>> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a>> caterpillar. //>> >>> > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even>> the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of>> Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have>> relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of>> Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destructionof>> the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.>> > Â>> > Regards,>> >  -Manoj>> > Â>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Sheevani sheevani147@ ...>> > ancient_indian_ astrology>> > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise>> success/failure>> >>> > Â>> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,>> >>> > Namaste.>> >>> > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //>> >>> > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should startto>> lose my marbles just yet!!>> >>> > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as>> the body ages...>> >>> > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and>> responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond>> immediate needs of one own circle.>> >>> > With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so itis>> excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully>> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"...the>> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,>> not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.>> >>> > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of>> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and>> personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of>> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there areweddings,>> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone>> seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on>> unperturbed by people or events...>> >>> > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?>> >>> > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the>> active participant.>> >>> > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this>> tapestry called life on earth">> >>> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms>> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a>> caterpillar. .>> >>> > warmest regards>> > Sheevani>> >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta>> <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:>> > >>> > > You said>> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is>> discared, does the mind exist?>> > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.>> > >>> > > Thanks & Regards>> > >>> > > Chiranjiv Mehta>> > >>> > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:>> > >>> > >>> > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise>> success/failure>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM>> > >>> > >>> > > ÂÂ>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Dear All,>> > >>> > > Namaste,>> > >>> > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.>> > >>> > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death>> prashna can give the death information more accurately.>> > >>> > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that>> indicate some probability.>> > >>> > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as avery>> natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different levelof>> conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.>> > >>> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is>> discared, does the mind exist?>> > >>> > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is abetter>> place.>> > >>> > > warmest regards>> > > Sheevani>> > >>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani">> <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:>> > > >>> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,>> > > >>> > > > Namaste.>> > > >>> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2combinations.>> I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably>> thoughts of the other world do arise.>> > > >>> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and>> mercury, Sun is also vargottama.>> > > >>> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i>> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get myexit>> papers ready?.>> > > >>> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic>> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..>> > > >>> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds>> again in pisces in 12 Years time..>> > > >>> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God thatprevails..>> > > >>> > > > warmest regards>> > > > Sheevani>> > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog">> <sreesog@> wrote:>> > > > >>> > > > > Dear Shivani ji,>> > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,good>> ->> > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a>> > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thusin>> case of>> > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the>> TRANSIT>> > > > > chart).>> > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at theDEATH>> CHART>> > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done>> of judge>> > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the>> astrologer>> > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".>> > > > > Love and regards,>> > > > > Sreenadh>> > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani">> > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Namaste,>> > > > > >>> > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th>> (kantaka) from>> > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and>> Jupiter>> > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. 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Guest guest Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Dear All, Thanks for nice sharing who all contributed to thread...however i have started thread in context of 6th and 12th house.... Let me share something from me...going with flow.... Each and every person has to fight....where he fight and who are enemy(external/intrenal/unknown)..what and how much energy he is getting for fighting whether he beat or overcome enemy...that all decide destiny and Path to be followed.... I believe if Person can not serve his mother and father as per their expectation(in internal plane) he can not succeed.... ------------------ Regards, Devisingh Chakraborty, PL wrote:   Dear Anita-ji,  I do agree to that (intention is important)  regards  Chakraborty   On Behalf Of Anita R Monday, April 12, 2010 8:46 AM RE: Re: spritual practise success/failure  Dear CHakravarthi ji, The third point in your mail has exactly been my experience in life. as far as the second point is considered, if my husband and I had not drawn the line where we did, we would have been in the same position which you mentioned. Now we think before helping others. Whether they are really in need of help, whether they DESERVE to be helped, if they have put in enough efforts etc as you said. One observation. Help always comes from some source or the other when you are sincere, selfless and honest in your intentions. My experience is that the intention behind the action matters more than the action itself. No idea if you agree. Regards, Anita --- On Mon, 12/4/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 (AT) iocl (DOT) co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 (AT) iocl (DOT) co.in> RE: Re: spritual practise success/failure "' '" Monday, 12 April, 2010, 3:02 AM   Dear Anita-ji,  Long back, I have seen my father doing real philanthropy.  The net result is....  1) He had a great reputation.. even now people know us by his name. 2)  We became very poor. No one really helped. 3) But help came from unexpected places. Not from the people he helped. 4) Being kind hearted also makes people reflective & less ambitious. He    could not utilize some of the materialistic opportunities in life.  I am not philanthropic. I do help after giving it some thought...whether the person is putting efforts or not is the 1st criteria for help. 2nd criteria is whether I will be able to help him without getting very adversely affected.  No, I never do a help/good job because it is good thing to do or it will give me some "good karma / Punya".....or the person will payback.  If the job is good....and I really need help, God will help me out...but thru' someone else...not thru' the person I helped.  I have been helped by many strangers in life.  regards  P L Chakraborty      ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita R Saturday, April 10, 2010 8:14 PM ancient_indian_ astrology RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure  Dear Chakravarthi ji, Thanks for the support, I appreciate it. yes, sucker is the right word perhaps. Yes, I know or rather I have realised that I was doing injustice to myself by sort of , allowing people to take undue advantage of my willingness to help but I have stopped it. Not that I do not help people but I do not bite off more than I can chew. I have learnt to draw the line at the proper time and place. That has been a big achievement for me and has come the hard way. thanks again, Have you ever wondered why and how all the people whom you helped most disappear all of a sudden when you need help and support? ) Regards, Anita --- On Sat, 10/4/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure "'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, 10 April, 2010, 4:22 AM   Dear Anita-ji,  What you did (and I also did in past) ..... people would call us "Suckers".  //I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful//  I think what you are doing now is right & ethical. Earlier, you had forgotten about your duties towards your OWNSELF. That was wrong.  Please note that a Tree can only give fruit when it is taking care of itself. If it allows itself to be taken over by Parasites, then it is doing wrong 'karma'   regards  Chakraborty  ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita R Saturday, April 10, 2010 8:27 AM ancient_indian_ astrology Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure  My dear Bhaskar ji, What you have said in the last para of your mail is exactly what I have done now. Of course I have done it after long sermons of "dumping people who sap our energies" by a couple of my dear friends over a period of a couple of years. Now this is important. I used to help others on their terms. At their convenience, even at the cost of my time, and my compromise. I do not know if I am able to put forward my views properly or not. Eg. If Bhaskar ji wanted some help from me, I would help him according to HIS convenience, in the way He wanted not at my convenience and within my capacities. Even tho the other person was the receiver, he did the receiving on HIS terms. I had no say in what service I was doing. I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful. Then there is the law of karma. People who take advantage of others pay for it some time in life or the other. Regards, Anita --- On Fri, 9/4/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure ancient_indian_ astrology Friday, 9 April, 2010, 5:02 AM  Dear Anita ji, I am with you on this... I actually meant that one should do his duties to the best of his potential possible otherwise he could not think of dying peacefully. One cannot make anybody happy in this world. A man cannot make even himself happy so no question of family members. The appraisal has to be self as I think Chakraborty ji mentioned. What you wrote is perfect human behaviour. The more one does, the more is expected, and the more one is criticised, and the more they will sit on your head and try to control you. But we have to draw a line who is exploiting us and who needs our services. And apart keeping aside how they behave towards us, we have to continue doing our duties to the best of our extents possible.. regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Tell me, can you tell me if there has been any one who has been able to perform his duties to the satisfaction of his family members at all? I am speaking from personal experience. I find, the more you do , the more is expected from you and the more you are criticised.. I do not know if you agree with me or not but this has been my personal experience. > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Thu, 8/4/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 1:30 PM >  > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just > > little) > > > > Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his duties to > > the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled as > > to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him, > > yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he would > > look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something for > > his family members and make them content and become content himself in > > the process.... > > > > I can give more such examples. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > > "this tapestry called life on earth" > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. // > > > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of > > Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of > > the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ ... > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > >  > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to > > lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > > the body ages... > > > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it is > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... the > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > active participant. > > > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this > > tapestry called life on earth" > > > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > You said > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > indicate some probability. > > > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > place. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani" > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. > > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably > > thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > > papers ready?. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good > > - > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in > > case of > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > TRANSIT > > > > > > chart). > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH > > CHART > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > > of judge > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > astrologer > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati". > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "Sheevani" > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > (kantaka) from > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > Jupiter > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > > birth > > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Dear Devi singh ji,I believe if Person can not serve his mother and father as per their expectation( in internal plane) he can not succeed..Can you please elaborate what you mean by IN INTERNAL PLANE? I would like to point out , whether you succeed in serving any one - I repeat anyone- according to their expectation, depends as much on the receiver's attitude as the givers- if not more.Regards, Anita--- On Thu, 15/4/10, devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:devisigh <devisingh.rajputRe: Re: spritual practise success/failure Date: Thursday, 15 April, 2010, 7:30 AM Dear All, Thanks for nice sharing who all contributed to thread...however i have started thread in context of 6th and 12th house.... Let me share something from me...going with flow.... Each and every person has to fight....where he fight and who are enemy(external/ intrenal/ unknown). .what and how much energy he is getting for fighting whether he beat or overcome enemy...that all decide destiny and Path to be followed.... I believe if Person can not serve his mother and father as per their expectation( in internal plane) he can not succeed.... ------------ ------ Regards, Devisingh Chakraborty, PL wrote:  Dear Anita-ji, I do agree to that (intention is important) regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita R Monday, April 12, 2010 8:46 AM ancient_indian_ astrology RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure Dear CHakravarthi ji, The third point in your mail has exactly been my experience in life. as far as the second point is considered, if my husband and I had not drawn the line where we did, we would have been in the same position which you mentioned. Now we think before helping others. Whether they are really in need of help, whether they DESERVE to be helped, if they have put in enough efforts etc as you said. One observation. Help always comes from some source or the other when you are sincere, selfless and honest in your intentions. My experience is that the intention behind the action matters more than the action itself. No idea if you agree. Regards, Anita --- On Mon, 12/4/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure "'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, 12 April, 2010, 3:02 AM  Dear Anita-ji, Long back, I have seen my father doing real philanthropy. The net result is.... 1) He had a great reputation.. even now people know us by his name. 2) We became very poor. No one really helped. 3) But help came from unexpected places. Not from the people he helped. 4) Being kind hearted also makes people reflective & less ambitious. He could not utilize some of the materialistic opportunities in life. I am not philanthropic. I do help after giving it some thought...whether the person is putting efforts or not is the 1st criteria for help. 2nd criteria is whether I will be able to help him without getting very adversely affected. No, I never do a help/good job because it is good thing to do or it will give me some "good karma / Punya".....or the person will payback. If the job is good....and I really need help, God will help me out...but thru' someone else...not thru' the person I helped. I have been helped by many strangers in life. regards P L Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita R Saturday, April 10, 2010 8:14 PM ancient_indian_ astrology RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure Dear Chakravarthi ji, Thanks for the support, I appreciate it. yes, sucker is the right word perhaps. Yes, I know or rather I have realised that I was doing injustice to myself by sort of , allowing people to take undue advantage of my willingness to help but I have stopped it. Not that I do not help people but I do not bite off more than I can chew. I have learnt to draw the line at the proper time and place. That has been a big achievement for me and has come the hard way. thanks again, Have you ever wondered why and how all the people whom you helped most disappear all of a sudden when you need help and support? ) Regards, Anita --- On Sat, 10/4/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure "'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, 10 April, 2010, 4:22 AM  Dear Anita-ji, What you did (and I also did in past) ..... people would call us "Suckers". //I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful// I think what you are doing now is right & ethical. Earlier, you had forgotten about your duties towards your OWNSELF. That was wrong. Please note that a Tree can only give fruit when it is taking care of itself. If it allows itself to be taken over by Parasites, then it is doing wrong 'karma' regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita R Saturday, April 10, 2010 8:27 AM ancient_indian_ astrology Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure My dear Bhaskar ji, What you have said in the last para of your mail is exactly what I have done now. Of course I have done it after long sermons of "dumping people who sap our energies" by a couple of my dear friends over a period of a couple of years. Now this is important. I used to help others on their terms. At their convenience, even at the cost of my time, and my compromise. I do not know if I am able to put forward my views properly or not. Eg. If Bhaskar ji wanted some help from me, I would help him according to HIS convenience, in the way He wanted not at my convenience and within my capacities. Even tho the other person was the receiver, he did the receiving on HIS terms. I had no say in what service I was doing. I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful. Then there is the law of karma. People who take advantage of others pay for it some time in life or the other. Regards, Anita --- On Fri, 9/4/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure ancient_indian_ astrology Friday, 9 April, 2010, 5:02 AM Dear Anita ji, I am with you on this... I actually meant that one should do his duties to the best of his potential possible otherwise he could not think of dying peacefully. One cannot make anybody happy in this world. A man cannot make even himself happy so no question of family members. The appraisal has to be self as I think Chakraborty ji mentioned. What you wrote is perfect human behaviour. The more one does, the more is expected, and the more one is criticised, and the more they will sit on your head and try to control you. But we have to draw a line who is exploiting us and who needs our services. And apart keeping aside how they behave towards us, we have to continue doing our duties to the best of our extents possible.. regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Tell me, can you tell me if there has been any one who has been able to perform his duties to the satisfaction of his family members at all? I am speaking from personal experience. I find, the more you do , the more is expected from you and the more you are criticised.. I do not know if you agree with me or not but this has been my personal experience. > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Thu, 8/4/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 1:30 PM >  > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just > > little) > > > > Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his duties to > > the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled as > > to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him, > > yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he would > > look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something for > > his family members and make them content and become content himself in > > the process.... > > > > I can give more such examples. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > > "this tapestry called life on earth" > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. // > > > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of > > Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of > > the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ ... > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > >  > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to > > lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > > the body ages... > > > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it is > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... the > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > active participant. > > > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this > > tapestry called life on earth" > > > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > You said > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > indicate some probability. > > > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > place. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani" > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. > > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably > > thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > > papers ready?. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good > > - > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in > > case of > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > TRANSIT > > > > > > chart). > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH > > CHART > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > > of judge > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > astrologer > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati". > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "Sheevani" > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > (kantaka) from > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > Jupiter > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > > birth > > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Dear Anita JI, //Can you please elaborate what you mean by IN INTERNAL PLANE? // This internal Plane is purely Personal world (where actually one is living)....It is for Jatak..It has nothing to do with Parents.... One can make another sentence which may be quite contrary then previous ....but that too true same time and as much true as that of previous one... What is said that has only 'Moral Value'.....but most important is Internal Plane...where everybody lives... If any body have any single reason to believe in first sentence then same time we can find other Person same time to believe in second sentence.....One should not have any reason to believe that is only required to understand....sentence are meaningless..they shows technique but can come and make another sentence for another technique.... Mind is Barrier It likes to have some Reasons so it can survive and play game...One has to transcend Mind to start Journey of another world.... Serving has nothing to do with serving in Physical sense it is purely in mental sense...when one understand that he has to serve his parents then nothing much required to be done for external sense to serve parents...that does not mean he is not doing anything he has to do what he can server externally but that become meaningless......It is technique if used quite handy to reach at such state...other wise to have 'Bad Wife' and try same technique one can reach at same state... And yes i have used technique practically and shared with my experience...even i have tried a lot with many other techniques they won't worked for me..eg. vipasana....but surprisingly what was not working before they are automatically start working without my notice...so techniques are designed for each category person....where you fall select that level technique that work....then another..... Hope this helps...... ------------------ Regards, Devisingh Anita R wrote:  Dear Devi singh ji, I believe if Person can not serve his mother and father as per their expectation( in internal plane) he can not succeed.. Can you please elaborate what you mean by IN INTERNAL PLANE? I would like to point out , whether you succeed in serving any one - I repeat anyone- according to their expectation, depends as much on the receiver's attitude as the givers- if not more. Regards, Anita --- On Thu, 15/4/10, devisigh <devisingh.rajput > wrote: devisigh <devisingh.rajput > Re: Re: spritual practise success/failure Thursday, 15 April, 2010, 7:30 AM  Dear All, Thanks for nice sharing who all contributed to thread...however i have started thread in context of 6th and 12th house.... Let me share something from me...going with flow.... Each and every person has to fight....where he fight and who are enemy(external/ intrenal/ unknown). .what and how much energy he is getting for fighting whether he beat or overcome enemy...that all decide destiny and Path to be followed.... I believe if Person can not serve his mother and father as per their expectation( in internal plane) he can not succeed.... ------------ ------ Regards, Devisingh Chakraborty, PL wrote:   Dear Anita-ji,  I do agree to that (intention is important)  regards  Chakraborty   ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita R Monday, April 12, 2010 8:46 AM ancient_indian_ astrology RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure  Dear CHakravarthi ji, The third point in your mail has exactly been my experience in life. as far as the second point is considered, if my husband and I had not drawn the line where we did, we would have been in the same position which you mentioned. Now we think before helping others. Whether they are really in need of help, whether they DESERVE to be helped, if they have put in enough efforts etc as you said. One observation. Help always comes from some source or the other when you are sincere, selfless and honest in your intentions. My experience is that the intention behind the action matters more than the action itself. No idea if you agree. Regards, Anita --- On Mon, 12/4/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure "'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, 12 April, 2010, 3:02 AM   Dear Anita-ji,  Long back, I have seen my father doing real philanthropy.  The net result is....  1) He had a great reputation.. even now people know us by his name. 2)  We became very poor. No one really helped. 3) But help came from unexpected places. Not from the people he helped. 4) Being kind hearted also makes people reflective & less ambitious. He    could not utilize some of the materialistic opportunities in life.  I am not philanthropic. I do help after giving it some thought...whether the person is putting efforts or not is the 1st criteria for help. 2nd criteria is whether I will be able to help him without getting very adversely affected.  No, I never do a help/good job because it is good thing to do or it will give me some "good karma / Punya".....or the person will payback.  If the job is good....and I really need help, God will help me out...but thru' someone else...not thru' the person I helped.  I have been helped by many strangers in life.  regards  P L Chakraborty      ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita R Saturday, April 10, 2010 8:14 PM ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure  Dear Chakravarthi ji, Thanks for the support, I appreciate it. yes, sucker is the right word perhaps. Yes, I know or rather I have realised that I was doing injustice to myself by sort of , allowing people to take undue advantage of my willingness to help but I have stopped it. Not that I do not help people but I do not bite off more than I can chew. I have learnt to draw the line at the proper time and place. That has been a big achievement for me and has come the hard way. thanks again, Have you ever wondered why and how all the people whom you helped most disappear all of a sudden when you need help and support? ) Regards, Anita --- On Sat, 10/4/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure "'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, 10 April, 2010, 4:22 AM   Dear Anita-ji,  What you did (and I also did in past) ..... people would call us "Suckers".  //I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful//  I think what you are doing now is right & ethical. Earlier, you had forgotten about your duties towards your OWNSELF. That was wrong.  Please note that a Tree can only give fruit when it is taking care of itself. If it allows itself to be taken over by Parasites, then it is doing wrong 'karma'   regards  Chakraborty  ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita R Saturday, April 10, 2010 8:27 AM ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure  My dear Bhaskar ji, What you have said in the last para of your mail is exactly what I have done now. Of course I have done it after long sermons of "dumping people who sap our energies" by a couple of my dear friends over a period of a couple of years. Now this is important. I used to help others on their terms. At their convenience, even at the cost of my time, and my compromise. I do not know if I am able to put forward my views properly or not. Eg. If Bhaskar ji wanted some help from me, I would help him according to HIS convenience, in the way He wanted not at my convenience and within my capacities. Even tho the other person was the receiver, he did the receiving on HIS terms. I had no say in what service I was doing. I have stopped all that now. I do not know if I am doing the right thing or not but life is infinitely more peaceful. Then there is the law of karma. People who take advantage of others pay for it some time in life or the other. Regards, Anita --- On Fri, 9/4/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure ancient_indian_ astrology Friday, 9 April, 2010, 5:02 AM  Dear Anita ji, I am with you on this... I actually meant that one should do his duties to the best of his potential possible otherwise he could not think of dying peacefully. One cannot make anybody happy in this world. A man cannot make even himself happy so no question of family members. The appraisal has to be self as I think Chakraborty ji mentioned. What you wrote is perfect human behaviour. The more one does, the more is expected, and the more one is criticised, and the more they will sit on your head and try to control you. But we have to draw a line who is exploiting us and who needs our services. And apart keeping aside how they behave towards us, we have to continue doing our duties to the best of our extents possible.. regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Tell me, can you tell me if there has been any one who has been able to perform his duties to the satisfaction of his family members at all? I am speaking from personal experience. I find, the more you do , the more is expected from you and the more you are criticised.. I do not know if you agree with me or not but this has been my personal experience. > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Thu, 8/4/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 1:30 PM >  > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just > > little) > > > > Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his duties to > > the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled as > > to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him, > > yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he would > > look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something for > > his family members and make them content and become content himself in > > the process.... > > > > I can give more such examples. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > > "this tapestry called life on earth" > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. // > > > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of > > Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of > > the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ ... > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > >  > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to > > lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > > the body ages... > > > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it is > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... the > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > active participant. > > > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this > > tapestry called life on earth" > > > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > You said > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > indicate some probability. > > > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > place. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani" > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. > > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably > > thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > > papers ready?. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good > > - > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in > > case of > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > TRANSIT > > > > > > chart). > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH > > CHART > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > > of judge > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > astrologer > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati". > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "Sheevani" > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > (kantaka) from > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > Jupiter > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. 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