Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Dear All, Any Person may want to be engage him/her in Spiritual Practice to gain power/salvation what are factors required for success and failure for such Persons?? ------------------ Regards, Devisingh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Dear Devi Singh ji, A spiritually inclined 9th house; a bit disturbed 7th house; some special combination that point to spirituality (such as a 4 planet combination; some combination indicating moksha etc etc) - all such things when combined with dasa and environment promotes a horoscope, then the native become spiritually inclined and gains success in it. By the way let me refer to a connected point. Salvation (Moksha) is not only defined by the efforts that the native puts, the ultimate say on the same is controlled by the "Final Death Moment" itself. (Remember the story of someone remembering gods name at the moment of death and attaining salvation - that demands both effort and luck). Divinity and Moksha are all at times irrational. Let me point to the death/birth time combination that points to moksha . Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uccho bhavati Meena lagne va, Janmani marane va moksha gatimahu [if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth and death] There could be some typo related to the above quote (I am reciting it from memory). The sloka is from Laghu Jataka of Mihira I think (need to refer). Others may have some other informative inputs on this subject.Love and regards,Sreenadh , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:>> Dear All,> > Any Person may want to be engage him/her in Spiritual Practice to gain > power/salvation what are factors required for success and failure for > such Persons??> > ------------------> Regards,> Devisingh> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Dear Sreenadh ji, Namaste, ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth and death]/// I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. warmest regards Sheevani , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Devi Singh ji, > A spiritually inclined 9th house; a bit disturbed 7th house; some > special combination that point to spirituality (such as a 4 planet > combination; some combination indicating moksha etc etc) - all such > things when combined with dasa and environment promotes a horoscope, > then the native become spiritually inclined and gains success in it. > By the way let me refer to a connected point. Salvation (Moksha) is > not only defined by the efforts that the native puts, the ultimate say > on the same is controlled by the " Final Death Moment " itself. (Remember > the story of someone remembering gods name at the moment of death and > attaining salvation - that demands both effort and luck). Divinity and > Moksha are all at times irrational. Let me point to the death/birth > time combination that points to moksha . > Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uccho bhavati > Meena lagne va, Janmani marane va moksha gatimahu > [if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth > and death] > There could be some typo related to the above quote (I am reciting it > from memory). The sloka is from Laghu Jataka of Mihira I think (need to > refer). Others may have some other informative inputs on this subject. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , devisigh > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Any Person may want to be engage him/her in Spiritual Practice to gain > > power/salvation what are factors required for success and failure for > > such Persons?? > > > > ------------------ > > Regards, > > Devisingh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Dear Shivani ji, If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good - you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT chart). Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati". Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sheevani" <sheevani147 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Namaste,> > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth and death]///> > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> > warmest regards> Sheevani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Dear Sreenadh ji, Namaste. Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise. Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama. Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?. Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time.. I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. warmest regards Sheevani , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Shivani ji, > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good - > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT > chart). > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " Sheevani " > <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > Namaste, > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth > and death]/// > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Dear All, Namaste, I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna can give the death information more accurately. However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that indicate some probability. Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place. warmest regards Sheevani , " Sheevani " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > Namaste. > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise. > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?. > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > , " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good - > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT > > chart). > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " Sheevani " > > <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth > > and death]/// > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Dear Sreenadji and Sheevaniji, I was examining some deaths of major spiritual personalities. One major perequisites for not taking birth again ( according to Shastra's ) is that the soul should depart during the bright half of the year ( Jan to June ) during the bright fortnight ( waxing moon ) etc. However there is one verse in the Bhagvat Gita when Lord Krishna says : O Arjuna know that what ever you see living or non living, is due to the interactions of the 3 three modes on prakriti ( material nature ) and the one who sees this ( the soul ) is imperishable. Those who know of this, in whatever situation they are, will never take birth again. This is not a literal translation but what i understood. So this is the Visa test to pass for the one way ticket. Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta+ 91 9324168001--- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote: Sheevani <sheevani147 Re: spritual practise success/failure Date: Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 8:45 PM Dear Sreenadh ji,Namaste.Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise.Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama.Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?.Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD..What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time..I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..warmest regardsSheevaniancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog > wrote:>> Dear Shivani ji,> If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good -> you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of> death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT> chart).> Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART> or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge> whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer> tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "Sheevani"> <sheevani147@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > Namaste,> >> > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from> lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter> placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth> and death]///> >> > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> >> > warmest regards> > Sheevani> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 You said Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote: Sheevani <sheevani147 Re: spritual practise success/failure Date: Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM Dear All,Namaste,I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna can give the death information more accurately.However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that indicate some probability.Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place.warmest regardsSheevaniancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani" <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Namaste.> > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise.> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama.> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?.> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD..> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time..> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..> > warmest regards> Sheevani> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Shivani ji,> > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good -> > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of> > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT> > chart).> > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART> > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge> > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer> > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"> > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from> > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter> > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth> > and death]///> > >> > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> > >> > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> >> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Dear Chiranjiv ji, Namaste. ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./// Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to lose my marbles just yet!! Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as the body ages... I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond immediate needs of one own circle. With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully blooms..U see life from a different perspective..with " new eyes " ... the world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and personalities, the good, bad and the questionable.. every kind of divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events... What is the thread/bond/energy that keeps this chaotic world going? Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the active participant. Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar.. warmest regards Sheevani , chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: > > You said > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > Thanks & Regards > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote: > > > Sheevani <sheevani147 > Re: spritual practise success/failure > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > Â > > > > Dear All, > > Namaste, > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that indicate some probability. > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place. > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > Namaste. > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?. > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good - > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT > > > chart). > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 //Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " // Yes however much anyone may say that " I have got fed up of my Life " .... " I want to end my Life " ... " I dont wish to live anymore " ... " Oh God lift me up please " ..... in actual reality no one wishes to die, because all of us are in fact - enjoying living . The mind is never lost, before death or after death. The actual mind is not knowing names of friends or objects of this Life. The actual mind is knowing fear and Love. The newborn baby who does not recognise his mother or father, but he recognises Love, the feed of Milk and Fear- all these aspects. Why ? Because he carries his mind alongwith from eternity which has always known what is Love, and fear both. A 1 year old may have no mind to know what is good or bad, or logistics, but his mind knows fear when you shout at him loudly, and he runs away crying to his mothers lap... The mind thus is never lost- the Universal Mind as well as the Individual Mind , but the temporary mind which is created just for a singular birth, is definitely lost after the body burns away. Here the individual mind means recognising through vibrations the friends and foes of the past births.. The temporary mind means the mind which knows about this Group, the Owner, which knows Bhaskar, Sreenadhji, Sridevi, Vinod Khanna, Amitabh Bachhan etc. which is all related to this Birth. rgrds/Bhaskar. , " Sheevani " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > Namaste. > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./// > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to lose my marbles just yet!! > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as the body ages... > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond immediate needs of one own circle. > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully blooms..U see life from a different perspective..with " new eyes " ... the world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and personalities, the good, bad and the questionable.. every kind of divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events... > > What is the thread/bond/energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the active participant. > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar.. > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > > , chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > You said > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ > > Re: spritual practise success/failure > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Namaste, > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that indicate some probability. > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?. > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good - > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT > > > > chart). > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji, Namaste, Agreed! " Amar jeev mare so kaaya, " ( " The self is immortal while the physical body is perishable. " ) warmest regards Sheevani , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > //Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > tapestry > called life on earth " // > > Yes however much anyone may say that " I have got fed up of my Life " > ... " I want to end my Life " ... " I dont wish to live anymore " ... " Oh God > lift me up please " ..... in actual reality no one wishes to die, because > all of us are in fact - enjoying living . > > The mind is never lost, before death or after death. The actual mind is > not knowing names of friends or objects of this Life. The actual mind is > knowing fear and Love. > > The newborn baby who does not recognise his mother or father, but he > recognises Love, the feed of Milk and Fear- all these aspects. Why ? > Because he carries his mind alongwith from eternity which has always > known what is Love, and fear both. A 1 year old may have no mind to know > what is good or bad, or logistics, but his mind knows fear when you > shout at him loudly, and he runs away crying to his mothers lap... > > The mind thus is never lost- the Universal Mind as well as the > Individual Mind , but the temporary mind which is created just for a > singular birth, is definitely lost after the body burns away. Here the > individual mind means recognising through vibrations the friends and > foes of the past births.. The temporary mind means the mind which knows > about this Group, the Owner, which knows Bhaskar, Sreenadhji, Sridevi, > Vinod Khanna, Amitabh Bachhan etc. which is all related to this Birth. > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > , " Sheevani " > <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > Namaste. > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./// > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to > lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > the body ages... > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > blooms..U see life from a different perspective..with " new eyes " ... the > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable.. every kind of > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > What is the thread/bond/energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > active participant. > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > caterpillar.. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > > > , chiranjiv mehta > vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > > > You said > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > discared, does the mind exist? > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ > > > Re: spritual practise > success/failure > > > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > indicate some probability. > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > place. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably > thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > papers ready?. > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good > - > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in > case of > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > TRANSIT > > > > > chart). > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH > CHART > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > of judge > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > astrologer > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > (kantaka) from > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > Jupiter > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > birth > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > http://in./ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Sheevani Ji, // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this tapestry called life on earth"For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. // Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. Regards, -Manoj Sheevani <sheevani147 Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM Re: spritual practise success/failure Dear Chiranjiv ji,Namaste.///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to lose my marbles just yet!!Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as the body ages...I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond immediate needs of one own circle.With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it is excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... the world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events...What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the active participant.Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this tapestry called life on earth"For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. .warmest regardsSheevaniancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:>> You said> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.> > Thanks & Regards> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> > > Â > > > > Dear All,> > Namaste,> > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna can give the death information more accurately.> > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that indicate some probability.> > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.> > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place.> > warmest regards> Sheevani> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani" <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > Namaste.> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise.> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama.> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?.> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD..> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time..> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..> > > > warmest regards> > Sheevani> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shivani ji,> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good -> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT> > > chart).> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > Namaste,> > > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth> > > and death]///> > > >> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> > > >> > > > warmest regards> > > > Sheevani> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Conquering the fear of Death is not so easy at it seems... Primarily one has to be very good in his duties towards his family members. That is doing his duties perfectly to the best optimum performance capable by that man in providing good educations to his children and financial security for at least few years, to the dependents he leaves at any time if he has to die. Secondarily he has to be so good, as to worship The Lord he worships, in whatever forms he worships, through Japa, Dhyaan, Kriya or whatever path he has chosen, that a bond is formed between him and His God and he starts perceiving His Divine presence all around him and can converse with his through the mind and receive the replies also through the mind or indications manifested in any which way around him through Omens or whatever means. If the above two are completed in a good measure, Then and only Then, Does a Man actually Conquers the Fear of Death.... Any arguments ? best wishes, Bhaskar. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. // > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > Sheevani sheevani147 > > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > Re: spritual practise success/failure > >  > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > Namaste. > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to lose my marbles just yet!! > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as the body ages... > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond immediate needs of one own circle. > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events... > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the active participant. > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. . > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > You said > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Namaste, > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that indicate some probability. > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?. > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good - > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT > > > > chart). > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Manoj ji, I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just little) Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his duties to the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled as to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him, yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he would look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something for his family members and make them content and become content himself in the process.... I can give more such examples. regards/Bhaskar. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. // > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > Sheevani sheevani147 > > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > Re: spritual practise success/failure > >  > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > Namaste. > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to lose my marbles just yet!! > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as the body ages... > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond immediate needs of one own circle. > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events... > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the active participant. > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. . > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > You said > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Namaste, > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that indicate some probability. > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?. > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good - > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT > > > > chart). > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 For One who has not completed his duties properly, the fear of Death would always remain, for he would always feel Incomplete.... Ego or no Ego does not matter..... , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just > little) > > Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his duties to > the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled as > to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him, > yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he would > look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something for > his family members and make them content and become content himself in > the process.... > > I can give more such examples. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > , Manoj Chandran > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > " this tapestry called life on earth " > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > caterpillar. // > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of > Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of > the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > >  > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Sheevani sheevani147@ > > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > Re: spritual practise > success/failure > > > >  > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > Namaste. > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to > lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > the body ages... > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > active participant. > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > caterpillar. . > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > You said > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > discared, does the mind exist? > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > success/failure > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > indicate some probability. > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > place. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably > thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > papers ready?. > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good > - > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in > case of > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > TRANSIT > > > > > chart). > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH > CHART > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > of judge > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > astrologer > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > (kantaka) from > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > Jupiter > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > birth > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji, Namaste. Can anybody work towards the total satisfaction of the other persons, eg family members??? Do we not see that financial provisions(especially large amounts) become a battleground for the family,, some stoop so lowly means to gain advantage?? I wholeheartedly agree some provision must be made, but i think ensuring the spouse/kids have the right skills to make good decisions for indepandant living is more useful. They will have their own values, standards and expectations and use those as their yardsticks of measure. I think an individual can only gain satisfaction when he accepts that HE has done everything her could to the best of his ability, given his strengths weaknessness and his circumstances.. this is how contentment arises out of self acceptance. The person doesnt think he is perfect, but he accepts himself as s/he is.. The journey ahead no longer frightens him, as death is just another part of the souls journey. warmest regards Sheevani , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just > little) > > Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his duties to > the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled as > to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him, > yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he would > look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something for > his family members and make them content and become content himself in > the process.... > > I can give more such examples. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > , Manoj Chandran > <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > " this tapestry called life on earth " > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > caterpillar. // > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of > Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of > the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > >  > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Sheevani sheevani147@ > > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > Re: spritual practise > success/failure > > > >  > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > Namaste. > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to > lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > the body ages... > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > active participant. > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > caterpillar. . > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > You said > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > discared, does the mind exist? > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > success/failure > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > indicate some probability. > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > place. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably > thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > papers ready?. > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good > - > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in > case of > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > TRANSIT > > > > > chart). > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH > CHART > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > of judge > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > astrologer > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > (kantaka) from > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > Jupiter > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > birth > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Sheevani ji, Namaste. //Can anybody work towards the total satisfaction of the other persons, eg family members???// No. Nobody can. What I actually meant is what You have written below.... // I think an individual can only gain satisfaction when he accepts that HE has done everything her could to the best of his ability, given his strengths weaknessness and his circumstances.. this is how contentment arises out of self acceptance. The person doesnt think he is perfect, but he accepts himself as s/he is.. // This is what I wanted to say, but could not express myself, and thankfully you did it for me... best wishes, Bhaskar, , " Sheevani " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Namaste. > > Can anybody work towards the total satisfaction of the other persons, eg family members??? > > Do we not see that financial provisions(especially large amounts) become a battleground for the family,, some stoop so lowly means to gain advantage?? > > I wholeheartedly agree some provision must be made, but i think ensuring the spouse/kids have the right skills to make good decisions for indepandant living is more useful. > > They will have their own values, standards and expectations and use those as their yardsticks of measure. > > I think an individual can only gain satisfaction when he accepts that HE has done everything her could to the best of his ability, given his strengths weaknessness and his circumstances.. this is how contentment arises out of self acceptance. The person doesnt think he is perfect, but he accepts himself as s/he is.. > > The journey ahead no longer frightens him, as death is just another part of the souls journey. > > warmest regards > Sheevani > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just > > little) > > > > Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his duties to > > the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled as > > to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him, > > yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he would > > look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something for > > his family members and make them content and become content himself in > > the process.... > > > > I can give more such examples. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran > > <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > > " this tapestry called life on earth " > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. // > > > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of > > Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of > > the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ > > > > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > >  > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to > > lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > > the body ages... > > > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > active participant. > > > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > You said > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > indicate some probability. > > > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > place. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. > > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably > > thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > > papers ready?. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good > > - > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in > > case of > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > TRANSIT > > > > > > chart). > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH > > CHART > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > > of judge > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > astrologer > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > (kantaka) from > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > Jupiter > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both > > birth > > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Manoj Chandran ji, Namaste, Good to hear from you, As always, your imput is much appreciated. What is the other side of FEAR??? I feel it is FAITH.. as long as one ossilates between the 2.. there will be uncertainty. warmest regards Sheevani , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. // > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > Sheevani <sheevani147 > > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > Re: spritual practise success/failure > >  > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > Namaste. > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to lose my marbles just yet!! > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as the body ages... > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond immediate needs of one own circle. > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events... > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the active participant. > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. . > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > You said > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Namaste, > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that indicate some probability. > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?. > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good - > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT > > > > chart). > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Sheevani ji, If I may intervene....since I like what is written so far under this thread, The other side of FEAR is non-attachment. It is attachment which causes fear in us....the fear of losing what we hold in esteem/greed, which includes attachment to our lives as well. We should LET GO of everything to get rid of FEAR.....Of course I fear I am far away from this target! blessings, Renu , " Sheevani " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Dear Manoj Chandran ji, > > Namaste, > > Good to hear from you, As always, your imput is much appreciated. > > What is the other side of FEAR??? I feel it is FAITH.. > > as long as one ossilates between the 2.. there will be uncertainty. > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. // > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > >  > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Sheevani <sheevani147@> > > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > Re: spritual practise success/failure > > > >  > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > Namaste. > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as the body ages... > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events... > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the active participant. > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. . > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > You said > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that indicate some probability. > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?. > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good - > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT > > > > > chart). > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Renu ji, Namaste. very valid point, well said.. your always welcomed to intervene!! warmest regards Sheevani , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > If I may intervene....since I like what is written so far under this thread, > > The other side of FEAR is non-attachment. It is attachment which causes fear in us....the fear of losing what we hold in esteem/greed, which includes attachment to our lives as well. We should LET GO of everything to get rid of FEAR.....Of course I fear I am far away from this target! > > blessings, > > Renu > > > > , " Sheevani " <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > Dear Manoj Chandran ji, > > > > Namaste, > > > > Good to hear from you, As always, your imput is much appreciated. > > > > What is the other side of FEAR??? I feel it is FAITH.. > > > > as long as one ossilates between the 2.. there will be uncertainty. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. // > > > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@> > > > > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > Re: spritual practise success/failure > > > > > >  > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as the body ages... > > > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the active participant. > > > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. . > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > You said > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that indicate some probability. > > > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good - > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT > > > > > > chart). > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth > > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji, Namaste, When when one feels satisfied that one's mission is accomplished in this life, only then one feels ready to move on to the next life.. warmest regards Sheevani , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > Namaste. > > //Can anybody work towards the total satisfaction of the other persons, > eg family members???// > > No. Nobody can. What I actually meant is what You have written below.... > > > // I think an individual can only gain satisfaction when he accepts that > HE has > done everything her could to the best of his ability, given his > strengths > weaknessness and his circumstances.. this is how contentment arises out > of self > acceptance. The person doesnt think he is perfect, but he accepts > himself as > s/he is.. // > > This is what I wanted to say, but could not express myself, and > thankfully you did it for me... > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar, > > > , " Sheevani " > <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > Namaste. > > > > Can anybody work towards the total satisfaction of the other persons, > eg family members??? > > > > Do we not see that financial provisions(especially large amounts) > become a battleground for the family,, some stoop so lowly means to gain > advantage?? > > > > I wholeheartedly agree some provision must be made, but i think > ensuring the spouse/kids have the right skills to make good decisions > for indepandant living is more useful. > > > > They will have their own values, standards and expectations and use > those as their yardsticks of measure. > > > > I think an individual can only gain satisfaction when he accepts that > HE has done everything her could to the best of his ability, given his > strengths weaknessness and his circumstances.. this is how contentment > arises out of self acceptance. The person doesnt think he is perfect, > but he accepts himself as s/he is.. > > > > The journey ahead no longer frightens him, as death is just another > part of the souls journey. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so > just > > > little) > > > > > > Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his > duties to > > > the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled > as > > > to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in > him, > > > yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he > would > > > look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something > for > > > his family members and make them content and become content himself > in > > > the process.... > > > > > > I can give more such examples. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran > > > <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > > > " this tapestry called life on earth " > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma > blooms > > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > > caterpillar. // > > > > > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as > even > > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of > > > Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction > of > > > the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. > > > >  > > > > Regards, > > > >  -Manoj > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ > > > > > > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > > Re: spritual practise > > > success/failure > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should > start to > > > lose my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper > as > > > the body ages... > > > > > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > > > immediate needs of one own circle. > > > > > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it > is > > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... > the > > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great > loss, > > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full > of > > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of > > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are > weddings, > > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone > > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on > > > unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world > going? > > > > > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > > > active participant. > > > > > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > " this > > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma > blooms > > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > > > caterpillar. . > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv > mehta > > > <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > > success/failure > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > > > prashna can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too > that > > > indicate some probability. > > > > > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a > very > > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level > of > > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > > > discared, does the mind exist? > > > > > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a > better > > > place. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 > combinations. > > > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so > inevitably > > > thoughts of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so > i > > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my > exit > > > papers ready?. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all > karmic > > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > > > again in pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that > prevails.. > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, > good > > > - > > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such > a > > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH > (Thus in > > > case of > > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > > > TRANSIT > > > > > > > chart). > > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the > DEATH > > > CHART > > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART > (done > > > of judge > > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then > the > > > astrologer > > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha > Gati " . > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Sheevani " > > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > > > (kantaka) from > > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to > both > > > birth > > > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. > > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Manoj ji,// As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.// Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die (voluntary death). RegardsKulbir Bains. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Dear Sheevani Ji, // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. // Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates. Regards, -Manoj Sheevani <sheevani147 Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM Re: spritual practise success/failure Dear Chiranjiv ji,Namaste.///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to lose my marbles just yet!!Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as the body ages... I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond immediate needs of one own circle.With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events... What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the active participant.Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry called life on earth " For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. .warmest regardsSheevaniancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:>> You said> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > Thanks & Regards> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure > ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> > > Â > > > > Dear All,> > Namaste,> > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna can give the death information more accurately.> > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that indicate some probability. > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.> > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place.> > warmest regards> Sheevani> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > Namaste.> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise.> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama. > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?.> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time..> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..> > > > warmest regards> > Sheevani> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shivani ji,> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good -> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT> > > chart).> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > Namaste,> > > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth> > > and death]///> > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> > > >> > > > warmest regards> > > > Sheevani> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Shahid Bhagat Singh, Guru Gobind Singh and so many others, countless in India.... , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Manoj ji, > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only > persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the > Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction > of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.// > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because of > EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die (voluntary > death). > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran chandran_manojwrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > tapestry called life on earth " > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. > > // > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even the > > slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of Death (at > > the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have relinquished all > > sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one > > of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which > > it operates. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** Sheevani sheevani147 > > *To:* > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > *Subject:* Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > Namaste. > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to lose > > my marbles just yet!! > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as the > > body ages... > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond immediate > > needs of one own circle. > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, not > > to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of all > > kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and personalities, the > > good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race, colour, > > religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also funerals, > > yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such hurry,, but > > for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events... > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the active > > participant. > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. > > . > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<%40>, > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > You said > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, > > does the mind exist? > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > success/failure > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<%40> > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna > > can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > indicate some probability. > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, > > does the mind exist? > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better > > place. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I > > was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts > > of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun > > is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was > > laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers > > ready?. > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts > > are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in > > pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails.. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good - > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case > > of > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT > > > > > chart). > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH > > CHART > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of > > judge > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > astrologer > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) > > from > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. > > com/ <http://in./> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear All, Namaste. " Deh Shiva Var Mohe eihe shubh karman te kabhun na daron " (grant me the courage not to shirk from good karma/deeds) From the Guru Granth ji.. A hymm sung recited regularly by Guru GobindJi before engaging in any warfare activity.. warmest regards Sheevani , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Shahid Bhagat Singh, Guru Gobind Singh and so many others, countless in > India.... > > > , Kulbir Bains > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our > > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. > Only > > persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at > the > > Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the > destruction > > of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.// > > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because > of > > EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die > (voluntary > > death). > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran > chandran_manoj: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of > " this > > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > into > > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > caterpillar. > > > // > > > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even > the > > > slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of > Death (at > > > the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have > relinquished all > > > sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the > Fear is one > > > of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) > through which > > > it operates. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > ** Sheevani sheevani147@ > > > *To:* > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM > > > *Subject:* Re: spritual practise > > > success/failure > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ // > > > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start > to lose > > > my marbles just yet!! > > > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as > the > > > body ages... > > > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and > > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond > immediate > > > needs of one own circle. > > > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it > is > > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully > > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... > the > > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great > loss, not > > > to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy. > > > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of > all > > > kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and > personalities, the > > > good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race, > colour, > > > religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also > funerals, > > > yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such > hurry,, but > > > for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events... > > > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going? > > > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the > active > > > participant. > > > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this > > > tapestry called life on earth " > > > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms > into > > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a > caterpillar. > > > . > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com<%40>, > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > You said > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > discared, > > > does the mind exist? > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise > > > success/failure > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com<%40> > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you. > > > > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death > prashna > > > can give the death information more accurately. > > > > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that > > > indicate some probability. > > > > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a > very > > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level > of > > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc. > > > > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is > discared, > > > does the mind exist? > > > > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a > better > > > place. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 > combinations. I > > > was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably > thoughts > > > of the other world do arise. > > > > > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and > mercury, Sun > > > is also vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i > was > > > laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit > papers > > > ready?. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic > debts > > > are cleared during my Shani MD.. > > > > > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds > again in > > > pisces in 12 Years time.. > > > > > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that > prevails.. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji, > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, > good - > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus > in case > > > of > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the > TRANSIT > > > > > > chart). > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the > DEATH > > > CHART > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done > of > > > judge > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the > > > astrologer > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " . > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th > (kantaka) > > > from > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and > Jupiter > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to > both birth > > > > > > and death]/// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. http://in.. > > > com/ <http://in./> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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